When a fella has to do many rcs you forget you have some 😂 I have the wpl-c14, Toyota, I've been wanting to work on myself, your videos give us budget rc guys hope! Lol
I would love to see more rc car manufacturers get more experimental with the scaler/crawler/trail truck concept like this for example, because they're all become the same
I had an element gatekeeper with the IFS front and I really liked how it performed. But then again I had it with the IFS front with the addition of having it with a 4ws setup,lol. Both IFS and solid axle rc crawlers have there place. Both have advantages and disadvantages but me personally it's a matter of what each person prefer to have there setup as
I brought one of these a few months back because of your review. I love it! mine has had a handful of upgrades such as a Hobbywing 2100kv Axe and a bunch of scale accessories and new wheels (still using the stock tyres as they are awesome once broken in) Keeping it all scale though. The IFS hasn't hindered me at all, in fact I find it makes me a better driver as I'm paying more attention to the terrain and picking lines through obstacles. Where as a solid front axle is kind of like a cheat mode at times. The wife loved driving it too so just recently picked up the Trailrunner for her as its on a heavy discount from Modelsport, once the weather improves I hope to get some videos of it up on my channel. Cheers Tomley!
Went through all the comments here and very surprised no one mentioned the Trailrunner. Been out a very long time, the IFS is offered separately as a kit, and it's in top 10 crawler lists all the time. Great truck. Ifs runs a different line but it only hinders climbing, not crawling. They're both phenomenal trucks from Enduro/Associated
I had a 1986 4runner with ifs. I I had front and rear lockers on 33s and 11 inch lift. It would off-road just like the solid axle buddies I just sometimes took different lines
I have a Trailrunner that I've probably put more than 100 miles on. The metal ball studs and plastic rod ends don't really hold up over time. You'll find your lower arms popping first then your upper arms. This might not be so bad except for the fact that if you pop in an area of really thick grass or something then you might lose the dogbone cup thing that connects to the front diff and never find it again. It eventually does get really bad because it'll start popping like crazy and you'll never get anywhere. I'm currently in progress of doing redneck engineering to solve this problem. I think I used M4 hex cap screws, matching nuts, and a pack of Element plastic ball things which I'm using in place of the balls of the ball studs. You have to bore out the plastic ball things to get the screws through. I think the plastic balls are M3 normally, but you need M4 screw to securely slot into the steering knuckle. Use some threadlock on the nuts and when you're all set, dremel off the excess length of the screws and smooth it all over so your tires don't get caught on any sharp edges and get torn up. This will make long term maintenance more difficult, but it'll keep your balls from popping out.
I wear pants to keep them from popping out 😂 Nice fix idea for the arms. Have had a few pop out on mine, haven't lost a drive cup yet. Using the bowhouse rc parts really helped with steering. Being available as a kit is awesome!! Built an 8x8x8 using 4 kits, video on my channel. Currently building a 4x4 with 2 kits and the knight custom high clearance parts. Overall nice front end.
These trucks are extremely capable. I have a class 1 comp ifs truck eith a mamba micro and castle motor. Little bit bigger tires that are sealed with no foams so super soft with steel bead locks and brass front knuckles. It's heavy powerful and very capable
I genuinely enjoyed this short video, I want to go out immediately crawling! But it's past eleven an I gotta go to work in a couple of hours...you guys know the hustle
Nice vid! Ive an 1/8 scale full independent suspension truck ground clearance is unreal with the 2.2 tyres both indi and solid axle have there separate advantages, great content hope too see more 😎
I had built a custom 4 wheel independent suspension crawler. I'm very pleased with it's ability. I used a cordless drill 2 speed transmission for the gear reduction and a motor that normally be found in a 1/8 scale truck. This was then mounted to my short course truck.
Great video Phil, after watching your reviews on this Element Knightrunner i pulled the trigger & ordered one, should be with me in about a weeks time I believe. Keep up your great work 🤗
I got a Gatekeeper and a Knightrunner, and am returning the Gatekeeper. I like the realistic and scale aspect. I want to build a dropped faster 2WD pre-runner version that can also drift. Wish they offered a white body like my real one, and white is generally easier to layer over. 90's Sunfire Red Metallic was their nicest red IMO. Pair it with an SC10 and I'll bet some of the parts can be shared. That course is awesome too!
Guess it's a different "scale" approach, beacuse with a lot of real modern 4x4's a solid front axle is an option/aftermarket part you have to install. So I'd just look at the options that are out there to give it some more mid clearance and of it goes. It's good that this is out there; different..but not new, if you just want to trail and have IFS...hello CC-01! By the way: even Orlandoo is making IFS models now :D
As the truck still has a live rear axle it compensates for the front having less flex (just like real 4x4's). Although clearly still a limitation. If you had IFS and IRS it would be a very different story.
Except for the 4x4 3/4 and 1 ton Ram and Ford trucks, all pickup trucks are IFS and solid axle in the rear and have been for decades now. Well except the Honda Ridgeline as it is full independent. The only reason people hate IFS is they don't want to take the time to work with it or spend the money for a proper performance IFS kit.
I thought it would be difficult to rock crawling because the wheelbase looked a little long, but it doesn't seem to be a problem. It's a great video. thank you.👍👍👍
what this truck is really designed to be is a super scaled touring rig but you can add super scale bits to it including a rooftop tent from RC4WD and it would probably do a lot better along the coast
I like that suspension set up in the front. I remember like a year ago when I turned my wltoys 12428 into a crawler after I locked the difs n changed the ecu and was really surprised at how it kept up with my rgts
hi Tomley👋, i prefer my trailrunner of my ecto, because i like IFS😉👍. really diferent, and it's works nice. i tested my trailrunner with canyon trail tires end deadbolt body, really nice and better than a simple scx10ii😃. one thing about IFS for people, your must test it❗😉✌
I took those tire off my senduro put good foams in and threw them on my trx 4 and was surprised how well the work . Thinking about getting this rig to .
It’s excellent. The way it performed. It am in love with it. I want one, desperately.I don’t feel like buying stock one . Rather I want to upgrade scx10 front fixed axle to independent one ….please help
I have one I use for training I want a second one for a ark bashing. I think a 3500kv sensored motor would rip. It doesn’t flip over like my other crawlers.
To me this car is more like an alternative to say BRX1 with LC70 body - rather scale and more or a trailing rig than a hard rock crawler. I also see the Tank 300 in that class though with a bit more focus on bashing.
I’m currently building a Toyota 4 runner with the same ifs system is that abs I’m really happy that I see it’s going to perform better than I expected. Thanks Phil for the info. :)
Knight Customs have developed and has a 3D kit to improve the ground clearance better steering angle and greater suspension travel makes it work like a solid axle performance wise. Like this truck not into crawling but would turn it into a Pre-Runner or class 8 trophy truck, give it better handling and faster that would be my route get the Lexan Pre-Runner fenders to cover the tyres better once it has a wider track.
Phil any chance we can see more of this please. Been looking for something to go beside my absima sherpa and outback 2. Might even sell the outback 2 and get the treka 3.0 outback
Good idea for the vid. The truck looks great but do question the point of it. Its not particularly scale as isn't licensed and also personally would find its performance disappointing and annoying regardless of whether that's the front axle setup or tyre size so for the price a TRX4 sport gotta be a better bet?
Thanks for the great videos!! Where is the rock crawler out door course you went too in the UK please? I'm new to the crawler world and been looking around for something local but none yet. Cheers
Another great video can you do a video on the kyosho mini z awd suzuki jimny i brought one and love it super scale but i find its very capable id love to hear your feedback on it :)
Were is that track I live in the UK Leicester and I've just got into 1/10 crawling got a cheap ftx mauler thanks too one of your videos :D love it already upgraded the diff and putting a 1080 into it atm I've also got a custom cage crawler I've made with the hobby wing axe :D still like the ftx mauler idn why probably because it's so cheap and so capable :D
Hi Tomley! Thanks for your vids. Saw an Gmade BOM poster on the wall in your new garage. I've got a question. I just finished my GS02F BOM and was surprised: when moving forward it starts to twisting the body to the right (right side down, left side up), at reverse - opposite twisting (right side up, left side down). What could be the reason? All assembled according to manual... Tried to harden the springs by pretightening didnt help. What am L doing wrong?
Sweet truck! will you please review panda Hobby. I ordered a truck for my grandson and they’re shipping a junk controller. Not the nice axial scx24 controller a real piece of junk no throttle spring. They also are no longer sending the banner. Disappointing kids everywhere. It’s just a real disappointment they put out a good product and switch it. Thanks
I noticed the mario kart on the bench lol I've been toying with the idea of getting one for a while and maybe making it brushless? Do you reckon it's worth trying phil?
Hi everyone, sorry I am a bit new to RC... What suspension do crawlers usually have ??? I thought the Hi Lux suspension looked like any normal front system, or am I missing something ...?
Is it something to do with the axle. I.e. normally a solid axle would be used ? So the disadvantage of the IFS would be to do with flex and clearance ???
@@ericpohlman5131 The independent suspension has a non moving middle section. I think having a solid axle means that the whole axle tilts and so gives more clearance between the wheels. I am not sure, but I think that would be the trade off.
Seens a few mm lift would bring a few benefits. Small tires, well I didn't like the stock wheels/tires on my Carisma Range Rover, and fitted it with the gorgeous 3 spoke OEM look alloys. No they weren't cheap, and no I wasn't paying proper attention, because I would have looked for the limited edition version which has the alloys included!
In theory it should be better would have probably been alot better with it all round but that's a real vehicle it's only an RC so I'm not esperanced enough in rc to know
It can work. It is weaker by design simply because the c.v. joints are never straight with a solid axle there only not straight when turning. Ifs does normally have better travel for hi speed stuff like irok, koh, and desert racing
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When a fella has to do many rcs you forget you have some 😂 I have the wpl-c14, Toyota, I've been wanting to work on myself, your videos give us budget rc guys hope! Lol
#wplGang
I would love to see more rc car manufacturers get more experimental with the scaler/crawler/trail truck concept like this for example, because they're all become the same
I had an element gatekeeper with the IFS front and I really liked how it performed. But then again I had it with the IFS front with the addition of having it with a 4ws setup,lol. Both IFS and solid axle rc crawlers have there place. Both have advantages and disadvantages but me personally it's a matter of what each person prefer to have there setup as
I really love the way this thing looks. Will be purchasing for sure
I brought one of these a few months back because of your review. I love it! mine has had a handful of upgrades such as a Hobbywing 2100kv Axe and a bunch of scale accessories and new wheels (still using the stock tyres as they are awesome once broken in) Keeping it all scale though. The IFS hasn't hindered me at all, in fact I find it makes me a better driver as I'm paying more attention to the terrain and picking lines through obstacles. Where as a solid front axle is kind of like a cheat mode at times.
The wife loved driving it too so just recently picked up the Trailrunner for her as its on a heavy discount from Modelsport, once the weather improves I hope to get some videos of it up on my channel.
Cheers Tomley!
The terror Twin hammers is called the billy goat because it's probably the best crawler. Man the things are awesome
i'm so jealous that truck is gorgeous
Awesome course that, yeah I think the IFS model did pretty well..
Went through all the comments here and very surprised no one mentioned the Trailrunner. Been out a very long time, the IFS is offered separately as a kit, and it's in top 10 crawler lists all the time. Great truck. Ifs runs a different line but it only hinders climbing, not crawling. They're both phenomenal trucks from Enduro/Associated
I have features a Trail Runner on the channel… another decent truck. Shame the body looks a bit toyish
I wish they could come up with variety of colors to choose from... And I hope 🤫🤭😊
Nice camera cut @4:00, it's a nice looking truck for sure.
That crawler looks awesome great crawl and demonstration!!!🤩🤩🤩🤩
Thanks mate
That's a real sweet looking rig
Great looking truck. 👍🏻
I had a 1986 4runner with ifs. I I had front and rear lockers on 33s and 11 inch lift. It would off-road just like the solid axle buddies I just sometimes took different lines
I have a Trailrunner that I've probably put more than 100 miles on. The metal ball studs and plastic rod ends don't really hold up over time. You'll find your lower arms popping first then your upper arms. This might not be so bad except for the fact that if you pop in an area of really thick grass or something then you might lose the dogbone cup thing that connects to the front diff and never find it again. It eventually does get really bad because it'll start popping like crazy and you'll never get anywhere. I'm currently in progress of doing redneck engineering to solve this problem. I think I used M4 hex cap screws, matching nuts, and a pack of Element plastic ball things which I'm using in place of the balls of the ball studs. You have to bore out the plastic ball things to get the screws through. I think the plastic balls are M3 normally, but you need M4 screw to securely slot into the steering knuckle. Use some threadlock on the nuts and when you're all set, dremel off the excess length of the screws and smooth it all over so your tires don't get caught on any sharp edges and get torn up. This will make long term maintenance more difficult, but it'll keep your balls from popping out.
I wear pants to keep them from popping out 😂
Nice fix idea for the arms. Have had a few pop out on mine, haven't lost a drive cup yet. Using the bowhouse rc parts really helped with steering.
Being available as a kit is awesome!! Built an 8x8x8 using 4 kits, video on my channel. Currently building a 4x4 with 2 kits and the knight custom high clearance parts.
Overall nice front end.
These trucks are extremely capable. I have a class 1 comp ifs truck eith a mamba micro and castle motor. Little bit bigger tires that are sealed with no foams so super soft with steel bead locks and brass front knuckles. It's heavy powerful and very capable
I genuinely enjoyed this short video, I want to go out immediately crawling! But it's past eleven an I gotta go to work in a couple of hours...you guys know the hustle
Work hard… play hard
IFS vs Solid - Look at King of the Hammers racing WOW ! Desert & Rocks
Nice vid! Ive an 1/8 scale full independent suspension truck ground clearance is unreal with the 2.2 tyres both indi and solid axle have there separate advantages, great content hope too see more 😎
Awesome 😎👌
In the real world independent suspension all round is the way to go.
Brilliant mate looks good good fun 👍
I wondered when/if you would ever use that footage !
I really like this truck. I prefer it as a trail truck..,
Really awesome truck, Tomley! 😃
Great ride there!!!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
I think a smaller skidplate angle and the skidplate being made out of aluminum would help a lot. Also longer suspension arms.
I had built a custom 4 wheel independent suspension crawler.
I'm very pleased with it's ability.
I used a cordless drill 2 speed transmission for the gear reduction and a motor that normally be found in a 1/8 scale truck.
This was then mounted to my short course truck.
Great video Phil, after watching your reviews on this Element Knightrunner i pulled the trigger & ordered one, should be with me in about a weeks time I believe. Keep up your great work 🤗
Awesome… it’s such a good rig
Congrats on the 10mil subs
100% a disadvantage when crawling and trailing. It does look awesome and is usable. Add the knight runner high clearance ifs to get another 12mm
Not really a disadvantage. It's a toy that doesn't have any significant Weight. Seems like it makes no difference
@@nicholas440 yeah
I got a Gatekeeper and a Knightrunner, and am returning the Gatekeeper. I like the realistic and scale aspect. I want to build a dropped faster 2WD pre-runner version that can also drift. Wish they offered a white body like my real one, and white is generally easier to layer over. 90's Sunfire Red Metallic was their nicest red IMO. Pair it with an SC10 and I'll bet some of the parts can be shared. That course is awesome too!
Guess it's a different "scale" approach, beacuse with a lot of real modern 4x4's a solid front axle is an option/aftermarket part you have to install.
So I'd just look at the options that are out there to give it some more mid clearance and of it goes.
It's good that this is out there; different..but not new, if you just want to trail and have IFS...hello CC-01!
By the way: even Orlandoo is making IFS models now :D
As the truck still has a live rear axle it compensates for the front having less flex (just like real 4x4's). Although clearly still a limitation. If you had IFS and IRS it would be a very different story.
Except for the 4x4 3/4 and 1 ton Ram and Ford trucks, all pickup trucks are IFS and solid axle in the rear and have been for decades now. Well except the Honda Ridgeline as it is full independent. The only reason people hate IFS is they don't want to take the time to work with it or spend the money for a proper performance IFS kit.
I definitely is a sexy truck. You handled that coarse like a champ Brother.
I thought it would be difficult to rock crawling because the wheelbase looked a little long, but it doesn't seem to be a problem. It's a great video.
thank you.👍👍👍
Cheers dude
what this truck is really designed to be is a super scaled touring rig but you can add super scale bits to it including a rooftop tent from RC4WD and it would probably do a lot better along the coast
Love the videos ..just getting in to element trucks cant wait get mine
Cheers Fat Boy
There is some "high" clearance ifs kit for this truck already
I like that suspension set up in the front. I remember like a year ago when I turned my wltoys 12428 into a crawler after I locked the difs n changed the ecu and was really surprised at how it kept up with my rgts
hi Tomley👋, i prefer my trailrunner of my ecto, because i like IFS😉👍. really diferent, and it's works nice.
i tested my trailrunner with canyon trail tires end deadbolt body, really nice and better than a simple scx10ii😃.
one thing about IFS for people, your must test it❗😉✌
Very nice 🙏🥰
I took those tire off my senduro put good foams in and threw them on my trx 4 and was surprised how well the work . Thinking about getting this rig to .
It’s excellent. The way it performed. It am in love with it. I want one, desperately.I don’t feel like buying stock one . Rather I want to upgrade scx10 front fixed axle to independent one ….please help
O yeah enjoyed this crawl 👌
That body is modeled after the North American market Toyota Tacoma, which actually doesn’t share a whole lot with the Hilux anymore.
I have one I use for training I want a second one for a ark bashing. I think a 3500kv sensored motor would rip. It doesn’t flip over like my other crawlers.
More for trailing but a fairly capable crawler with decent tyres , I've been pondering the idea of buying one just because I'm liking the look of it ,
To me this car is more like an alternative to say BRX1 with LC70 body - rather scale and more or a trailing rig than a hard rock crawler. I also see the Tank 300 in that class though with a bit more focus on bashing.
I want to see this next to one of your drift cars, I want to get one to tow one around but I want to see how it sizes up to the drift cars
love the knightrunner, gonna get one at some point,for trailing mostly 😀 👍 👍
Looks really nice piece kit that Tomley.
I’m currently building a Toyota 4 runner with the same ifs system is that abs I’m really happy that I see it’s going to perform better than I expected. Thanks Phil for the info. :)
Nice!
Slow going build though. So much custom to be able to keep the interior as intact as possible
Knight Customs have developed and has a 3D kit to improve the ground clearance better steering angle and greater suspension travel makes it work like a solid axle performance wise. Like this truck not into crawling but would turn it into a Pre-Runner or class 8 trophy truck, give it better handling and faster that would be my route get the Lexan Pre-Runner fenders to cover the tyres better once it has a wider track.
cool rc and awesome crawling brother
Thanks dude
I like vids like theses
😎🤘
Phil any chance we can see more of this please. Been looking for something to go beside my absima sherpa and outback 2. Might even sell the outback 2 and get the treka 3.0 outback
Be amazing if they did more ifs chassis specially if we could get land cruiser bodies 👍
Yes 👌
Nice little hilux rc body shell on L&L models 👌
Yes I've seen that!... Drift Body 😍
@@TomleyRC a slammed hilux would be awesome
I think it did rather well .
Good idea for the vid. The truck looks great but do question the point of it. Its not particularly scale as isn't licensed and also personally would find its performance disappointing and annoying regardless of whether that's the front axle setup or tyre size so for the price a TRX4 sport gotta be a better bet?
Tacoma, not tundra lol. But yeah.. Great looking truck.
Yeah my bad… it’s a Hilux in the UK 👌
That’s a 3rd Gen Tacoma lol not a tundra or hilux lol but still good trucks and been wondering how this truck performs
Thanks for the great videos!! Where is the rock crawler out door course you went too in the UK please? I'm new to the crawler world and been looking around for something local but none yet. Cheers
Bedford 👍
Nice
Another great video can you do a video on the kyosho mini z awd suzuki jimny i brought one and love it super scale but i find its very capable id love to hear your feedback on it :)
fun fact of element knightrunner
except for the body everything is licensed
I'm trying to build an rc version of my 6th 2022 Ford Bronco - looks like this Knightrunner is the still the best bet right now?
Were is that track I live in the UK Leicester and I've just got into 1/10 crawling got a cheap ftx mauler thanks too one of your videos :D love it already upgraded the diff and putting a 1080 into it atm I've also got a custom cage crawler I've made with the hobby wing axe :D still like the ftx mauler idn why probably because it's so cheap and so capable :D
Where is the crawler course?
Bedford
Hi Tomley!
Thanks for your vids.
Saw an Gmade BOM poster on the wall in your new garage.
I've got a question. I just finished my GS02F BOM and was surprised: when moving forward it starts to twisting the body to the right (right side down, left side up), at reverse - opposite twisting (right side up, left side down).
What could be the reason? All assembled according to manual... Tried to harden the springs by pretightening didnt help. What am L doing wrong?
Sweet truck! will you please review panda Hobby. I ordered a truck for my grandson and they’re shipping a junk controller. Not the nice axial scx24 controller a real piece of junk no throttle spring. They also are no longer sending the banner. Disappointing kids everywhere. It’s just a real disappointment they put out a good product and switch it. Thanks
👋
Does the mst rmx 2.0 also drift on the regular street
Yeah… just stick the right tyres on 👌
what is the battery life of the rc truck?
I noticed the mario kart on the bench lol I've been toying with the idea of getting one for a while and maybe making it brushless? Do you reckon it's worth trying phil?
Hi everyone, sorry I am a bit new to RC... What suspension do crawlers usually have ??? I thought the Hi Lux suspension looked like any normal front system, or am I missing something ...?
Sorry, I mean Night Runner (Hi Lux lookalike).
Is it something to do with the axle. I.e. normally a solid axle would be used ?
So the disadvantage of the IFS would be to do with flex and clearance ???
The straight axle is definitely preferred but this thing looks awesome and did well
It has a Toyota body, that adds +10 durability 😁
agree haha
How tall are the tires on it (MM)?
Honestly, why would front independent or all wheel independent suspension be a detriment?
It might be something to do with the flex and clearance...?
@@pipesmokinpaul5123 is there a thing as too much flex?
@@ericpohlman5131 The independent suspension has a non moving middle section. I think having a solid axle means that the whole axle tilts and so gives more clearance between the wheels. I am not sure, but I think that would be the trade off.
@@pipesmokinpaul5123 🧬🪛
🕳💾🥢
It doesn’t look like the ifs slowed it down at all
You should do this vs the trx4 and see which can crawl better
Harley no clearance under front independent suspension
Less than a crawler with portals… but not much difference on some of the standard straight axle ones
If the wheelbase had a little less length, it'd make a perfect scale trophy truck.
Seens a few mm lift would bring a few benefits. Small tires, well I didn't like the stock wheels/tires on my Carisma Range Rover, and fitted it with the gorgeous 3 spoke OEM look alloys. No they weren't cheap, and no I wasn't paying proper attention, because I would have looked for the limited edition version which has the alloys included!
not sure if i would like the IFF, for me sticking with conventional crawler
What if you used different tires of that size? Different tread? Softer?
No IFS no buts no coconuts 😅
nice truck, but its actually based off a tacoma
It's not a crawler. It's a trail truck. It isn't marketed as a crawler and we never intended to be one.
Apart from it saying ‘Ready-To-Run Rock Crawler’ on the box 😅
Independent suspension is only a concern for full size crawlers. In theory, It's great. Now, on to your HiLux RC. 1:1 scale crawler.
In theory it should be better would have probably been alot better with it all round but that's a real vehicle it's only an RC so I'm not esperanced enough in rc to know
Actualy i's tacoma,but i gues you allready know it.
It can work. It is weaker by design simply because the c.v. joints are never straight with a solid axle there only not straight when turning. Ifs does normally have better travel for hi speed stuff like irok, koh, and desert racing
Hate to be "that guy", but IndependEnt 😂
😅..... Auto Correct let me down again haha
It also seems that the motor could use a little more.....Umph.
It's a Tacoma
Yes… I got a little confused 😉… it’s a Hilux in the UK
i made a homemade front suspension, independent and after 5 minutes it broke. Im a great rc custom part maker :>
Lol
It’s a Tacoma 😂
No they don't NOT.... compared to solid axles, NO they DONT