My Madone Gen6 has a trap door in the downtube for the Di2 battery and cable management, so I stuck my AirTag there as well. It does attenuate the signal somewhat.
Amazing to me that Muc-Off created a product that originally none of their engineers seemingly field tested. Hopefully, the company is making good with customers who purchased the failed v1.0 of these holders. Very much appreciate your in-depth, candid reviews and look forward to your channel each week.
Because it wasn't tested and that is how we know they do not anything and just mass produce garbage to make a quick cash. This is why I never buy anything from them.
Great vid!! Just my 2 cents: You can disable the speaker relatively easily, making it harder for thieves to locate & remove the airtag. Also, I’d always hide a 2nd AirTag somewhere. It’s way too easy to just drill a hole into the obvious AirTag holder to get a “free” bike.
You’ve tested how good the AirTag is at not losing a signal that it already has. Have you tested by starting well out of range and seeing if it’s as good at picking up a signal for the first time?
The reverse! Not something I've done. The previous Muc-Off video I looked at the update frequency, which was extremely low with their previous model. I guess in a way that's a similar test as the 'pings' were from iDevices detecting the tag from any/all directions (and possibly for the first time they've come into range of it).
What would be really cool is to have an antenna port for the airtag and use that to connect it to the metal frame components like handlebars and stem. You could then hide the tag in the frame in a very hard to remove location like at the bottom of the seat tube. It would have good reception and would be hard to remove.
I will happily donate you 1 airtag so you cna take it apart like that. Housing takes up extra space in case of airtag but it also keeps the battery in place. Antenna is on a built, circular PCB so soldering a longer antenna to that could be tricky and fragile.
Regarding the Version 1: It's a very stupid engineering decision to wrap a device that relies on RF connections in a metal case. It's hard to believe how something like this can be put on the market...
I'm guessing that they called the first one a "secure tag" holder as they might have had to pay Apple a fee to use the trademarked "Airtag" name. They must have changed their mind with this latest revision,
You can track an airtag anywhere on the planet! It could be a thousand miles away! As long as someone (anyone) passes it with an iPhone, it will show up on your FindMy map.
No need waste money to buy this or any mount, you should never mount your airtag outside it will become totally point less , you need to think as a bike thief , so you need to hide your airtag INSIDE YOUR BIKE yes inside you should hide it inside your bike, "INSIDE" your bicycle frame , FORK, seat post , unscrew your saddle and put it inside your bicycle saddle , inside handle bar remember "INSIDE" just make sure it stay hidden ,I manage to put 4 apple airtag and 2 momax Pintag "INSIDE MY BIKE " total six air tag I gotta say im very impress with the result it help track my bike within 3 hours after it got stolen last week and call police to help recover my bike within 5 hours it got stolen , and catch the thief
@@gplama actually is 4 apple airtag and two Momax Pintag that support apple Findmy but lot cheaper then apple airtag. just happen i have extra airtag and i feel safer to put them all inside my bike frame , fork and saddle lol🤣
@@gplamafor saddle after i removed all screw i remove the gel pad thingy and put two air tag inside , and put it back together , for handle bar first i use #200 sand paper remove as much plastic as possible to reduce size and i drill a hole on center of my handle bar just big enough to put the airtag in and put it back togeter with a bigger headset to cover the hole, as for the fork just reduce size with sand paper and put in the center of the fork you see there is no need to buy any airtag mount, if you have face book i can send u some pic of how i did it😂
i really dont understand if it only has a signal strength of 30-40 meters how could you track your bike if it was stolen ? and seriously if you misplace your bike and cant find it, well you deserve to loose your bike
Every iPhone/iPad/etc is a part of the network, so will report the location back to the Find My network. If your bike is dumped on a remote track, it’ll be located by anyone riding/driving past. I imagine it would be extremely difficult not to come within 38m of any iDevice at some point almost anywhere in the world. Jump back into my other AirTag videos in the description for some examples of how they work.
@@gplama hmmmmmm sounds interesting, so every iphone ipad is connected to this "find my network " ? but how would someone else locating my airtag then alert me where it is ? Sorry i just cant keep up with technology these days
All iDevices report any AirTag within range back to the Apple Find My network, transparently. People don't even know their phones/devices are doing it. Only the owner of the AirTag can see this location information (or anyone they share the information with). In the example of me finding my lost bag at the airport, the Swissport staff should have been contacting me to say they had my bag. Their iPhones were doing their job for them, without them even knowing! Awesome and scary at the same time.
@@gplama So is this "Find My Network" an app i need to download ? Yes very scary indeed tbh I still cant even work out how to use find my device, thts how tech illiterate i am , and what bothers me more is that i cant even find a course where i can even try to catch up, i dont work in a industry where i even touch tech and i dont really have a big interest in it, but im finding i need to just to be able to get by in this tech orientated world now
I honestly can't see the point of these. If somebody steals your bike, its hardly going to be 38m away. Or who loses a bike 38m away? Convince me otherwise.
You need to look more into how AirTags work. Every iPhone/iPad/etc is a part of the network, so will report the location back to the Find My network. If your bike is dumped on a remote track, it’ll be located by anyone riding/driving past. I imagine it would be extremely difficult not to come within 38m of any iDevice at some point almost anywhere in the world.
I've had the stealth version on my MTB for about a year and a half now. Ridden weekly locally, Bike Park Wales a couple of times and so far it's 'survived'. I think looking at it when I installed it I thought it would probably snap off the valve if it ever got whacked but no issues so far. Tyres off soon to replace them so will give it a good once over then.
I have 2 of them: for my keys and for the bike. After your lost luggage experience, I always put the "keys" one in my luggage when traveling (by plane): Very handy to find the luggage after landing... Then for the bike I manage to hide it below the mud guard and it works well to confirm the bike is safe while parked outside...
Waste of money a wouldbe thief could spot this a mile off and just remove it - get clever and hide at the bottom of a frame bag or in the frame its not rocket science as soon as this was released it was already out of date.
Hi Shane, I’ve been using the Muc-Off Stealth Tubeless holder for about 3 months now. I’m using it on a Commencal Meta SX, which gets ridden on technical trails (downhill and gravity enduro trails) so far no issues with damage or AirTag holder coming loose. I have noticed that the signal strength compared to a water bottle style holder isn’t as good, considering it’s surrounded by rubber this shouldn’t cause any major signal degradation. The appeal is that this holder is completely covert, once installed it looks like an ordinary tubeless value, most of the time I forget it’s even their. It would be good to see you do a long term test, with some longer distance MTB rides.
Actually this should be called the 3rd version of this product. I held off on the first and grabbed what I call V2 version. That one has a plastic round cover but not a full internal plastic shell like V3. V2 seems to work for me on a few air flights and such but I like this new one better.
Couple weeks ago the police recovered my son’s Fuel EX because it had an AirTag inside the fork. It was behind someone’s house about 4miles away. $5k bike would have been long gone otherwise.
I had the tubeless valve air tag holder. Worked well signal wise, but when removing the tire after a couple of days of riding i realised the airtag was not hold in place. Luckily, the tubeless milk was sticky enough to "glue" the airtag to the inside wall of the tire. so it was just hanging around on my tire wall. Did no notice the airtag at all though while riding but I guess if an impact hits the airtag you don't really feel that anyways
if i wanted to steal nice bikes, id sell a bright pink faraday cage that shows me 1) the bike is worth installing a relatively pricey tracker on 2) the owner has a sense of security due to that tracker and 3) the tracker won't actually help them track it
Thanks for featuring my 3D printed AirTag holder! Hilarious it is 2+ years old…glad to see it took Muc Off and their engineering team over 2 years to come up with something remotely competitive to my design I made after a couple beers. 🙃
What's hilarious is thinking that a 3D-print design compares to a full production chain with branding, marketing and worldwide distribution. I mean, well done on your beer-induced creativity, but it takes a lot more than a 3D printer to take a product to market.
@@AlejandroMallea If you're going to put through the effort of scaling to this level of manufacturing, you would think it wouldn't take them two iterations to output a product over 2 years late that does essentially the same thing for 4x the price. I sold over 20,000 of these, it didn't take an entire design, engineering, manufacturing, and marketing team to do it. You may think it's "hilarious" but the reality is that it is a poor product that is very late and non-innovative. This isn't a difficult product to manufacture, or impressive for that matter. If you think this thing is more impressive because they got tooling for it and thew a logo on it, when there is now 100+ copycats out there that are better and cheaper, then you are clearly the right person for this product.
Your 3D printed holder under the seat? Pls show us where and how! I've got a plastic one semi-hidden sandwiched between the frame and water bottle holder. Even with a color match. its still somewhat obvious. I would like to see where yours is under the seat.
thinguiverse has a lot of design, for the saddle, bolt caps, bars, etc, they usually get bolted of zip tied to the saddle rails and get's well hidden if you put them towards the nose of the saddle, i think you can also 3dprint an adapter to hide it in a tail light
All products on the Find My Network (AirTags, Knog thingy, 4iiii P3 power meter, etc) all have the same policy/function when it comes to anti-stalking.
Depends if and where they remove it. Plot twist to bike thieves reading this - Take the AirTag to the nearest police station and remove the battery in the main reception. The last known location will be where the battery was removed.
My wifes bike was stolen a couple of weeks ago, I'd designed and 3d printed my own airtag holder and have airtags on all our bikes. I tracked the bike location using the airtag, and with the help of the police got it back and the thief was arrested.
@@jeffforrest1284that’s great. I’m assuming you place the airpod in a fairly inconspicuous location? Where do you think is best to hide it on the bike? I’d be thinking maybe in the actual frame of the bike somewhere if possible, maybe down the seat tube?
@@paddyotoole2058 in a black plastic holder directly under the bottle cage on the down tube. In the end we couldn’t find the exact house as couldn’t get close enough for UWB to work but set the sound alert off and the police (younger than me with better hearing) heard it and confirmed the house (the window was open). I redesigned my holder to be open after that, a bit like the one reviewed here, rather than fully closed to let more sound out.
I have a Trek Domane where you can open the downtube to store tools / tubes etc. I threw an AirTag in there. Seems to work fine.
My Madone Gen6 has a trap door in the downtube for the Di2 battery and cable management, so I stuck my AirTag there as well. It does attenuate the signal somewhat.
I've got a Domane as well. I thought the frame would block either the signal, sound, or both. I'll check this out!
Amazing to me that Muc-Off created a product that originally none of their engineers seemingly field tested. Hopefully, the company is making good with customers who purchased the failed v1.0 of these holders.
Very much appreciate your in-depth, candid reviews and look forward to your channel each week.
Because it wasn't tested and that is how we know they do not anything and just mass produce garbage to make a quick cash. This is why I never buy anything from them.
Great vid!! Just my 2 cents: You can disable the speaker relatively easily, making it harder for thieves to locate & remove the airtag. Also, I’d always hide a 2nd AirTag somewhere.
It’s way too easy to just drill a hole into the obvious AirTag holder to get a “free” bike.
You’ve tested how good the AirTag is at not losing a signal that it already has. Have you tested by starting well out of range and seeing if it’s as good at picking up a signal for the first time?
The reverse! Not something I've done. The previous Muc-Off video I looked at the update frequency, which was extremely low with their previous model. I guess in a way that's a similar test as the 'pings' were from iDevices detecting the tag from any/all directions (and possibly for the first time they've come into range of it).
What would be really cool is to have an antenna port for the airtag and use that to connect it to the metal frame components like handlebars and stem. You could then hide the tag in the frame in a very hard to remove location like at the bottom of the seat tube. It would have good reception and would be hard to remove.
I will happily donate you 1 airtag so you cna take it apart like that. Housing takes up extra space in case of airtag but it also keeps the battery in place. Antenna is on a built, circular PCB so soldering a longer antenna to that could be tricky and fragile.
Antennas don't do much and almost never have since like the 70s
@@jimsonjohnson3761 try opening up your laptop and cut the antenna wire from your wifi card and see...
Next in the MucOff line up, pink Faraday Cages.
I saw an option to put it INSIDE the wheel when you run tubeless - also from Muc-Off - can you review this one please?
Regarding the Version 1: It's a very stupid engineering decision to wrap a device that relies on RF connections in a metal case. It's hard to believe how something like this can be put on the market...
Yep. It was a fun product to review..... kudos for them scrapping it though! :)
You can tell engineers were NOT involved....like none.
Muc-off has electrical engineers?
@@ultrastoat3298 Even a mechanical engineer should know this... or anyone with a minimum of technical knowledge...
It needs to be stealthy & hidden not bright purple & easily removed.
Well... it does come in a whole range of eye-catching colours. ;)
I wonder if anyone makes an air tag holder that provides a way to boost the signal distance too.
How about “to the bike”, and not “from the bike” test?! In case you have to catch the signal from the distance.
I'm guessing that they called the first one a "secure tag" holder as they might have had to pay Apple a fee to use the trademarked "Airtag" name. They must have changed their mind with this latest revision,
Does this newer product have a version associated with it? The Secure Tag Holder 2.0 on their website has a metal front just like the older one.
would the signal be better if you mounted it without the metal cover plates?
Great intelligent to build a faraday cage for electronic device that requires to send a signal which is blocked by the holder
Thankfully they gave up on that design! :)
Have you ever tested a Knog Scout by any chance. It's bigger and heavier but has an alarm which can be useful for a cafe stop
Yep - th-cam.com/video/s6wIHnOhaPg/w-d-xo.html
Nice test. Since this is part of a water bottle holder, I wonder what will happen to the range if there is a filled water bottle in the holder. 🤔
I think your distance test should be the other way around. From Far.
What is the purpose of a anti-theft device with only 30m range??
You can track an airtag anywhere on the planet! It could be a thousand miles away! As long as someone (anyone) passes it with an iPhone, it will show up on your FindMy map.
Have or are you going to test the Orbit tracker that BPW distribute?
Hasn't been on my radar. 3 year battery life looks like a nice feature!
Just buy the knob, much better and elegant solution
A product THAT WORKS??? Stop the presses!
No need waste money to buy this or any mount, you should never mount your airtag outside it will become totally point less , you need to think as a bike thief , so you need to hide your airtag INSIDE YOUR BIKE yes inside
you should hide it inside your bike, "INSIDE" your bicycle frame , FORK, seat post , unscrew your saddle and put it inside your bicycle saddle , inside handle bar remember "INSIDE" just make sure it stay hidden ,I manage to put 4 apple airtag and 2 momax Pintag "INSIDE MY BIKE " total six air tag I gotta say im very impress with the result
it help track my bike within 3 hours after it got stolen last week and call police to help recover my bike within 5 hours it got stolen , and catch the thief
Six AirTags on one bike? That alone is impressive.
@@gplama actually is 4 apple airtag and two Momax Pintag that support apple Findmy but lot cheaper then apple airtag. just happen i have extra airtag and i feel safer to put them all inside my bike frame , fork and saddle lol🤣
@@gplamafor saddle after i removed all screw i remove the gel pad thingy and put two air tag inside , and put it back together , for handle bar first i use #200 sand paper remove as much plastic as possible to reduce size and i drill a hole on center of my handle bar just big enough to put the airtag in and put it back togeter with a bigger headset to cover the hole, as for the fork just reduce size with sand paper and put in the center of the fork you see there is no need to buy any airtag mount, if you have face book i can send u some pic of how i did it😂
Still wouldn't buy it. It's so obvious looking.
They need to make an under-the-saddle mount. Those are brilliant!
@@gplama agree. Wouldn't be hard to make something like a gopro saddle mount
Now android tracks airtags by default, they become less useful as a theif tracking tool. Less useful, not useless
$45 for an AirTag holder? There's gotta be something more plastic and like $9...
i really dont understand if it only has a signal strength of 30-40 meters how could you track your bike if it was stolen ?
and seriously if you misplace your bike and cant find it, well you deserve to loose your bike
Every iPhone/iPad/etc is a part of the network, so will report the location back to the Find My network. If your bike is dumped on a remote track, it’ll be located by anyone riding/driving past. I imagine it would be extremely difficult not to come within 38m of any iDevice at some point almost anywhere in the world. Jump back into my other AirTag videos in the description for some examples of how they work.
@@gplama hmmmmmm sounds interesting, so every iphone ipad is connected to this "find my network " ? but how would someone else locating my airtag then alert me where it is ? Sorry i just cant keep up with technology these days
All iDevices report any AirTag within range back to the Apple Find My network, transparently. People don't even know their phones/devices are doing it. Only the owner of the AirTag can see this location information (or anyone they share the information with). In the example of me finding my lost bag at the airport, the Swissport staff should have been contacting me to say they had my bag. Their iPhones were doing their job for them, without them even knowing! Awesome and scary at the same time.
@@gplama So is this "Find My Network" an app i need to download ?
Yes very scary indeed tbh
I still cant even work out how to use find my device, thts how tech illiterate i am , and what bothers me more is that i cant even find a course where i can even try to catch up, i dont work in a industry where i even touch tech and i dont really have a big interest in it, but im finding i need to just to be able to get by in this tech orientated world now
I honestly can't see the point of these. If somebody steals your bike, its hardly going to be 38m away. Or who loses a bike 38m away? Convince me otherwise.
You need to look more into how AirTags work. Every iPhone/iPad/etc is a part of the network, so will report the location back to the Find My network. If your bike is dumped on a remote track, it’ll be located by anyone riding/driving past. I imagine it would be extremely difficult not to come within 38m of any iDevice at some point almost anywhere in the world.
I've had the stealth version on my MTB for about a year and a half now. Ridden weekly locally, Bike Park Wales a couple of times and so far it's 'survived'. I think looking at it when I installed it I thought it would probably snap off the valve if it ever got whacked but no issues so far. Tyres off soon to replace them so will give it a good once over then.
I have 2 of them: for my keys and for the bike. After your lost luggage experience, I always put the "keys" one in my luggage when traveling (by plane): Very handy to find the luggage after landing... Then for the bike I manage to hide it below the mud guard and it works well to confirm the bike is safe while parked outside...
Waste of money a wouldbe thief could spot this a mile off and just remove it - get clever and hide at the bottom of a frame bag or in the frame its not rocket science as soon as this was released it was already out of date.
It’s a bit too visible. It takes 3 sec to remove before someone steals your bike. 😅
Bold color choices Muc-Off. Bold. Well the box makes it look pink. 🤷🏻♂️ Your actual one looks silver which is less bold but smarter.
Hi Shane, I’ve been using the Muc-Off Stealth Tubeless holder for about 3 months now. I’m using it on a Commencal Meta SX, which gets ridden on technical trails (downhill and gravity enduro trails) so far no issues with damage or AirTag holder coming loose. I have noticed that the signal strength compared to a water bottle style holder isn’t as good, considering it’s surrounded by rubber this shouldn’t cause any major signal degradation. The appeal is that this holder is completely covert, once installed it looks like an ordinary tubeless value, most of the time I forget it’s even their.
It would be good to see you do a long term test, with some longer distance MTB rides.
Actually this should be called the 3rd version of this product. I held off on the first and grabbed what I call V2 version. That one has a plastic round cover but not a full internal plastic shell like V3. V2 seems to work for me on a few air flights and such but I like this new one better.
Very interesting ! But is it worth to track if it gets stolen And the bike is kilometers away ? Thanks for the great video
Of course! You can track an airtag anywhere on the planet! As long as someone (anyone) passes it with an iPhone, it will show up on your FindMy map.
Couple weeks ago the police recovered my son’s Fuel EX because it had an AirTag inside the fork. It was behind someone’s house about 4miles away. $5k bike would have been long gone otherwise.
Thanks guys ! I Will buy it for my bike
Do they do the Samsung one aswell?
Nope.
I had the tubeless valve air tag holder. Worked well signal wise, but when removing the tire after a couple of days of riding i realised the airtag was not hold in place. Luckily, the tubeless milk was sticky enough to "glue" the airtag to the inside wall of the tire. so it was just hanging around on my tire wall. Did no notice the airtag at all though while riding but I guess if an impact hits the airtag you don't really feel that anyways
if i wanted to steal nice bikes, id sell a bright pink faraday cage that shows me
1) the bike is worth installing a relatively pricey tracker on
2) the owner has a sense of security due to that tracker
and 3) the tracker won't actually help them track it
I can see exactly zero reason to buy any AirTag holder for bikes now that Knog Scout exists.
Thanks for featuring my 3D printed AirTag holder! Hilarious it is 2+ years old…glad to see it took Muc Off and their engineering team over 2 years to come up with something remotely competitive to my design I made after a couple beers. 🙃
What's hilarious is thinking that a 3D-print design compares to a full production chain with branding, marketing and worldwide distribution. I mean, well done on your beer-induced creativity, but it takes a lot more than a 3D printer to take a product to market.
@@AlejandroMallea If you're going to put through the effort of scaling to this level of manufacturing, you would think it wouldn't take them two iterations to output a product over 2 years late that does essentially the same thing for 4x the price. I sold over 20,000 of these, it didn't take an entire design, engineering, manufacturing, and marketing team to do it. You may think it's "hilarious" but the reality is that it is a poor product that is very late and non-innovative. This isn't a difficult product to manufacture, or impressive for that matter. If you think this thing is more impressive because they got tooling for it and thew a logo on it, when there is now 100+ copycats out there that are better and cheaper, then you are clearly the right person for this product.
No idea how the hell muc off went to production with their original design.
Clearly designer input only and no engineers.
Love the title… so I’m f*** commenting!!
Is that a different app you are using for the air-tag? I use the Apple Find Me app and can't see the arrows.
It’s the Find My app with an AirTag that has Ultra Wideband support (only Apple has this in their devices at this point)
Found it! Thanks a lot. For the video and pointing this out.@@gplama
Hi Shan. Why doesn’t the iPhone pickup the tag when you walked back to your bike! Isn’t the iPhone still in search mode looking for your bike?
The on-screen search wasn’t loaded when I cut back to standing next to the bike. If it was loaded, it would have popped up when in range again.
Your 3D printed holder under the seat? Pls show us where and how! I've got a plastic one semi-hidden sandwiched between the frame and water bottle holder. Even with a color match. its still somewhat obvious. I would like to see where yours is under the seat.
thinguiverse has a lot of design, for the saddle, bolt caps, bars, etc, they usually get bolted of zip tied to the saddle rails and get's well hidden if you put them towards the nose of the saddle, i think you can also 3dprint an adapter to hide it in a tail light
When do you think you'll get access to the 4iiii Power Meter with Find My capabilities?
Apple FindMy Tracking Available with 4iiii Power Meters // Track Your Bike Like an AirTag!
th-cam.com/video/9v4yFQJupis/w-d-xo.html
Hi Shane, what is the app you are using to track the AirTag ? Thanks
The Find My app on iDevices.
Think the knog bike alarm looks like better product and doesn’t have the associated anti stalker issues that come with AirTags, as far as I can tell
All products on the Find My Network (AirTags, Knog thingy, 4iiii P3 power meter, etc) all have the same policy/function when it comes to anti-stalking.
@@gplama good to know! Thanks
Always mount a Samsung tag too. Double security and at least one of them won’t tell thief he is being tracked
If the bike is stolen, then surely the thieves are just going to remove the airpod holder rendering it useless?
Depends if and where they remove it. Plot twist to bike thieves reading this - Take the AirTag to the nearest police station and remove the battery in the main reception. The last known location will be where the battery was removed.
My wifes bike was stolen a couple of weeks ago, I'd designed and 3d printed my own airtag holder and have airtags on all our bikes. I tracked the bike location using the airtag, and with the help of the police got it back and the thief was arrested.
@@jeffforrest1284that’s great. I’m assuming you place the airpod in a fairly inconspicuous location? Where do you think is best to hide it on the bike? I’d be thinking maybe in the actual frame of the bike somewhere if possible, maybe down the seat tube?
@@paddyotoole2058 Carbon?...probably. Metal?...probably not.
@@paddyotoole2058 in a black plastic holder directly under the bottle cage on the down tube. In the end we couldn’t find the exact house as couldn’t get close enough for UWB to work but set the sound alert off and the police (younger than me with better hearing) heard it and confirmed the house (the window was open). I redesigned my holder to be open after that, a bit like the one reviewed here, rather than fully closed to let more sound out.