We have to remember that the first 4 games are actually murder *plans* , not actual murders. That's why Genji kills, Nanjo diagnoses deaths wrongly, and everyone is bribed except Battler and it can still make sense. The truth is really what Bern showed in EP7 tea party. Sayo's main regret is that she went insane and planned people's deaths in detail and bribed the servants and Nanjo in advance to the family conference. She really was gonna go through with what was probably episode 1, but when the gold was found she gave up, did nothing and then did what she could to save Battler from dying in the whole frenzy of death and carnage that was going on.
@@sancutairesanuctuaire8795 It's already confirmed that there are only one Truth in Rokkenjima Incident. All of the arcs are "message bottles", narratives or "what ifs".
@@Naluh you misunderstood umineko. Kakera are conditonal scenarios, it doesnt mean it didnt happen. The final truth doesnt erase kakeras state of being.
I have a soft spot in my heart for Kumasawa; she consistently comes off as one of the kindest people on the island and genuinely seemed to try her best to provide Yasuda the best life she could under wildly unusual circumstances. The way Yasuda seems to gradually resent her for her involvement especially stings me.
I also think the VN is the best way to experience the story. The manga is still phenomenal though, and should absolutely be used as a blueprint if anyone ever tries an anime adaption again. I just think people should only read it after finishing the VN and spending time thinking about what it meant to them.
I do enjoy the whole visual and audio experience with the visual novel. But OH MAN, the manga was absolutely fantastic with its metaphor imagery and facial expressions.
@@TheAugustHail Even small details like "You are incompetent" being a full 2-page spread shows everyone involved knew what was important as they adapted it.
Honestly for me I'm kinda split What I desire is the real whole truth But what Ange needs is her own truth I think it's actually pretty neat that it puts me at such an impasse
Believe it or not, there’s a continuation of sorts to the Trick ending in the *fighting game* of all places. In the Ange/Erika route, Ange does reject the notion of the witch as well as the Eva culprit theory, but because she finds no proof that Battler died in the explosion, she still believes in her own truth that Battler is still alive and will one day return to her.
Also a lot of fun character development along with some serious ones. Such as George feeling guilty and asking Shannon for forgiveness after having a dream where he solved the Epitath and Beatrice granted him a harem. Or Beatrice actually humoring a board where Battler was an accomplice.
That originally appears in the short story "Memoirs of the ΛΔ" actually, which was later also converted into visual novel format in the sidestory fandisc, Umineko Tsubasa.
Think back to the very first episode, to the very first appearance of Shannon. If Jessica didn't stop him from fondling her, the lie would've been over before anything even started.
Think of that, Shannon turning down George in favor of Battler because of that, well for the memories of the past with Battler winning over the 'present' of a relationship with George. George would 'lose' his desired future with Shannon but would unknowingly gain a future along with the rest of the family.
I really, really recommend reading Umineko Saku. It's an official continuation of series from R07, it's really, really good and for some reason a lot of people don't know about it. Saku is great and deserves to be explored.
Episode 8 is an amazing finale to the story but Confession and the rest of manga made it to the whole new level. The manga didnt sugar-coat the truth, it’s even much more brutal than Episode 7. Manga episode 8 is like a new game plus that give me the truest ending of the franchise. Anyone who read Umineko should never ignore Manga episode 8.
I can see why people enjoy the manga but something about the vagueness of the VN really vibes with me. My head canon disregards the manga despite the fact that some of the answers I came to from the VN match the manga.
There are a few other important items appearing in the manga: 1) When Ange jumped off the building, Bernkastel guaranteed her death I'm red. 2) The ending is reworked in two important ways: a) it is shown that Featherine is writing not just her battle with Lambda but the ending of Umineko as well, raising question on how much is real. b) the romantic scene of Battler jumping into the sea with Beatrice is followed by a new, super depressing scene showing that occured prior to the games and led to Battler's amnesia in the meta-verse. Beatrice also acknowledges that she is destined to a hellish fate.
yasu realising everything was one of the only sections out of any fiction that made me cry. she never had a choice at anything and all of that just hit her in the face like a truck, she was forced to live a life she never would've chose to live. i remember trying to not make a lot of noise beacuse it was 3am and my parents were sleeping but holy shit it made me feel bad
I hope that one day we can have a GOOD umineko anime with the confession of the golden witch being animated with shannon narrating, after gou/sotsu i lost hope but maybe a miracle will happen
ok but when phase 2 of ciconia finally comes out you HAVE to read it . it turns basically everything we have come to expect from wtc on its head and has a lot of fun characters ! plus no one actually knows where its going at this point if you liked umineko for its sort of bizarre layering of fantasy over reality , check out Forest , its a bit more crude but definitely a LOT weirder and more interesting to read
It was really fun watching your journey through Umineko! I'm glad we got to watch along with you. And even if you didn't hammer out all the details to the howdunnit, you're absolutely right on the the most important part being the whydunnit. For one last bittersweet factoid, R07 has said later on that George would have accepted Sayo, if he'd found out. Can't wait to see what you tackle next!
@@kyleco9149 I feel bad for Battler, the Author wants to torture everyone, and only Featherine survived from Creator's manslaughter. He's such Auau-simp. He treated Sayo and Rika pretty badly. He's also guilty for not having Meta-Keiichi.
Spoilers for anyone else reading this, but why are you watching this video if you don't already know how everything ends at this point lol. I'm surprised that you didn't mention the extra level of tragedy in realizing that all the games were actually taking place after the incident. That Sayo finally got to confess everything to Battler, but then when she died and was in the meta world, Battler had forgotten everything thus the ending actually begins the first episode. Plus the manga does explain how Sayo escaped the island with Battler. You didn't mention getting that answer, but basically the shot missed Sayo and only knocked her out like Eva. Sayo then goes around the island looking for survivors and finds the dead cousins, Battler arrives to the golden room just as Sayo returns. He realizes its Shannon, and before anything can be explained, they hear footsteps. Sayo thinks its Kyrie and Rudolf and wanting to save Battler takes him through the secret tunnel. In reality it's Eva who collects the headship ring and lets the bomb stay active while she heads to kuwadorian. While in the tunnel, Sayo confesses pretty much everything to Battler and he accepts and forgives her since she didn't actually murder anyone in the end. They manage to get to the boat as the island explodes, and then the rest of the magic ending plays out the same from there.
A difference in the manga at the very end is that Battler doesn't have his jacket when diving but actually gets it back when he sees Sayo in the ocean's depths, implying it's a magic scene and Battler never actually reached her.
@@dappershinx9234 Yeah I always imagined that was all in Sayo's head them reuniting. Also serving as a metaphor for Battler's memories dying with Sayo.
@@dappershinx9234 the way i see it is not that battler reaching her was just sayo's illusion, it is more than that, it actually is his soul/memories/personality dying by drowning. So in the end, he dies and that is why they meet in the place called purgatorio in ep1 tea party. But his soul is empty there, half of it died as stated in red but other half reamined in tohya as memories. To me, Battler and Beatrice's battle in the metaworld during the first 4 episodes symbolizes both tohya accepting and getting rid of battler and also metabattler(battler's soul) remembering his experiences in rokkenjima. It is like the remains of battler's soul is flowing from tohya back to metabattler.
Probably be the most brutal scenes I ever read in my life, a series of cruel fate just line up to kill Sayo. 24:37 I like that reaction, what a good reaction.
In light of the manga, the confirmation of the disasterous circumstances that forced Shannon into giving up is precisely what made Ange's final decision a miracle of miracles. Sure, the circumstances were definitely in Ange's favour comparatively, since she was far more able to "simply not waste away her life" purely logistically speaking, while Shannon would have to battle with fate. But the sheer weight on their hearts were of the absolute same. I think that, though difficult, Shannon *might* have been able to escape her fate with a change in perspective. Maria was a perfect example of a possible route Shannon could have gone down, which is infinitely happier since even that cursed route leaves open the clear possibility of hope. Regardless of whether you accept the meta world 8th game leading Ange forward or explain it all as a click in her mind, that realisation and acceptance of that possible alternative was still a coin flip against equally impossible odds for the both of them that Shannon lost and that Ange won. It's probably safe to say that the 8 episodes was building up to the one and only "true" miracle in the Umineko universe: Ange.
Now playing Umineko will be a completely different, watching every scene will be tragedy. Just visit few previous scenes as well. - Also PLEASE WRITE A SPOILER FREE UMINEKO REVIEW. People still don't know this hidden gem. I could have never imagined that such a fantasy story was actually a proper murder mystery and that followed classic Knox rules. A lot of people just give up because its lengthly. - The rule Z is actually one which was not used in Ep5, meaning the game was without love. And it is only game where Yasu bribes battler to take revenge against Natsuki which goes against her rule Z (lambdadelta forced her since she was the game master). Rule Z is wanted someone (battler specifically) to solve epitaph and save her. - Also, keeping all motives aside, she truly wanted to create a murder mystery for battler to solve. Both were murder mystery fans, and she though battler will be able to pick up on those tricks. Ideally she wanted battler to solve epitaph and reveal her as culprit and save her and people of island from tragedy. Unfortunately this ideal fragment never came in existence. Battler had changed in those 6 years. Her expectations from battler were too high. In the end he turned out to be incompetent. Thats why she was able to say "You are incompetent" in red. Its all chain of events that lead to this tragedy. From rudalf marriage, natsuki not accepting child, so on and on.
Read episode 9, Featherine opens the cat box, the culprit is revealed. translation patches exist for the new Umineko Saku chapters. Our Confession and Last Note of the Golden Witch are a new episode, not just extras.
What are your thoughts on the series' themes? How would you compare it with Higurashi? I feel like a lot was kind of brushed over too quickly with this series.
Lion is a girl with turner syndrome, who got proper medical care but still has some puberty issues. Sayo didn't get the help throughout her growth and had worse hormonal issues. Turner syndrome delays puberty to your twenties (Sayo is only 19), happens only to women and is more prevalent in case of incest. Which this case clearly is. Nanjo a japanese doctor. Even now, the trans issue is controversial in japan. He's a japanese doctor in the 60s. Performing a sex reassignment surgery on a baby is definitely not something within his skill set. I find it very unlikely for a family physician to know of the proper procedure (a vaginoplasty), apply it on a near death baby and getting it magically right. That would be an even bigger miracle than baby Sayo surviving the fall off a cliff. A vaginoplasty also requires some medical maintenance over time which of course wasn't given. Therefore, the idea that the baby from 19 years ago aka Sayo being a biological boy kinda falls flat. Sayo's biggest dream was to be a mother, she went crazy because she learned this all at once: 1) The man she planned to have kids with (George) was her cousin/nephew. 2) Even her age was a lie (told she was 16, she was 19), everything from her beginning was a lie, even being an orphan was kind of a lie too. 3) She can't have kids because of the accident maiming her uterus so that even if properly hormone treated for turner syndrome she still wouldn't *ever* be a mom. 4) Battler comes back and brings back baggage that she had tried to ignore for years. Also, she also because of the aforementioned turner syndrome and puberty delays, Sayo developed some gender dysphoria and thought that crossdressing as a guy was a good idea, which she ended kinda discarding the idea of love with Jessica since her strongest identity was always Shannon, the development with George was much stronger and the fact that she didn't feel comfortable with Jessica as proven in nearly every interaction between Kanon and Jessica that doesn't involve magic or story embellishing. It's possible Sayo/Shannon was bisexual, but knowing that it wouldn't ever work with Jessica was obvious, thus why it is never pursued seriously in anything other than a magic scene.
...I'd like to ask you, then: Why does Natsuhi not find it at all weird when Sayo contacts her as "the man from 19 years ago"? Occam's Razor. (Also, Turner Syndrome was never explained in the story, hence rendering the mystery unfair if that were the case) There is no need to go around in knots. The much simpler, clearer answer is that Sayo is trans. What gender exactly? Who knows. Kanon and Shannon are both them. Lion, their ideal self, explicitly rejects being gendered at all. As for their sexuality, as they put it: They will fall in love with anyone who would love them. But that only happened with Jessica once Sayo already knew the truth about their body and bloodline and hence, they refused to deepen yet another crush on a family member beyond what started at the concert. Would it be that hard to see them with love as someone neither cis nor straight?
@@rezareth1534 to be fair, Natsuhi never even hold baby Lion and spend just some days before the cliff thing, so it's possible, and before you say this would make Natsuhi too stupid, remember Jessica didn't suspected not seing Kinzo for 2 YEARS, Ryukishi has no problem doing this kind of stupid shit
@@hendix2200 I mean, it's technically possible (though Sayo would still not exactly be cis given the Kanon thing and Lion's everything). But unlike in that case, there are no clues in one direction and a couple in the other here, so we can guess which is likelier. In the end, Sayo/Lion's agab doesn't really matter, but it always annoys me a little when people seem unusually desperate to avoid a certain conclusion as though it were something awful, haha.
@@rezareth1534 i mean, Genji did hid the baby to evitate the same "thing" from happening again, that just does not makes sense if Lion was a men and to this day i never found a good counter to this, and yeah we have the in-character Lion tweet made by Ryukishi when they implie their gender is male, so yeah it's just a big mess
@@hendix2200 The wording is "preventing Kinzo from making the same mistake again", which does not require an ability to become pregnant. That particular awfulness could happen to anyone. But yeah, I just use they/them for both Lion & Sayo and that's that! I don't think the readers are meant to be plucking apart their identity or body.
These were a joy to sit through beginning to end. I'd reserve a chunk of my Monday every week to watch these beginning to end. Your reactions + the fact I just really like Umineko in general made it a very enjoyable ride. Now it's time to hop into the Muv-Luv pain train to depression town. (Tho tbh, independent of what game comes next in this series, I'll definitely watch it beginning to end just because the quality of the content is always top of the line.)
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Give us your thoughts on what happened here with Sayo and what already happened with Ange, and how Gou/Sotsu plays with similar themes!
Man, especially in Japan, transgender and LGBT matters are not... well accepted, especially not at the time, and especially not in that kind of place. It's hinted both George would accept Yasu for who they are, but he unwittingly pushes his dream onto them without asking or understanding them. Hell, Battler would absolutely accept Yasu. And while there's no evidence for it, but considering their birth gender I believe Jessica would too. But the combination of everything is what lead to such a horrible outcome. I really wish Yasu could have had a happy ending.
It's a little depressing to realise that meta Battler also pushed his dreams and expectations on the new Beatrice in episode 6, viewed retroactively. Of course, that could be seen as a possible metaphor for coming to terms with his grief and eventual acceptance of Beatrice as a whole. But then spinning it around, the fact that the new Beatrice eventually became "Battler's own Beatrice" could ALSO be read as Beatrice caving in to another demand with another new personality. Oh when will this game stop torturing me so.
Yasuda Sayo... Ushiromiya Lion... Shannon... Kanon... Beatrice... ... it's one whole mess. She ultimately seemed to have found something to call herself in the very end, on that boat - yet just as well, the whole story, in a way, asks you what you would call her in the end: Sayo... or Beatrice?
i have mixed feelings about the manga but i wholeheartedly agree that it is a necessary read ep7 and 8 especially for a dumbass like me lol. Plus i find the hide and seek part more enjoyable than halloween riddle party
Sayo was just a dumb child. Imagine getting tons of gold...and not using it because you feel disgusted a yourself. Use the gold to help charities,adopt children,try and communicate for gods sake. Sayo really said "hm im rich but kinzo bad so me bad"
@@makes58 Yes the child with already serious mental health problems to the point of creating Imaginary friends and other personas in order to hang on dear life even before discovering the truth can indeed just ignore all of that and just use the gold. Yeah...
@@ssjokg4952 uh, not saying you're not right about that, and I'm definitely not saying that Satoko and Sayos motives are even comparable, but satoko had very bad mental issues too, trust issues, detachment issues, obviously separation anxiety since her brother left her and she never really had any parental figure for most of her life, Satoko had very bad and very real issues, I wouldn't call higurashi gou/sotsu trash imo
We have to remember that the first 4 games are actually murder *plans* , not actual murders. That's why Genji kills, Nanjo diagnoses deaths wrongly, and everyone is bribed except Battler and it can still make sense. The truth is really what Bern showed in EP7 tea party.
Sayo's main regret is that she went insane and planned people's deaths in detail and bribed the servants and Nanjo in advance to the family conference. She really was gonna go through with what was probably episode 1, but when the gold was found she gave up, did nothing and then did what she could to save Battler from dying in the whole frenzy of death and carnage that was going on.
actually i disagree with that, i think the first 4 games are real kakeras
@@sancutairesanuctuaire8795 It's already confirmed that there are only one Truth in Rokkenjima Incident. All of the arcs are "message bottles", narratives or "what ifs".
@@Naluh you misunderstood umineko. Kakera are conditonal scenarios, it doesnt mean it didnt happen.
The final truth doesnt erase kakeras state of being.
@@heta04 Umineko it's not Higurashi.
@@Naluh yes its WTC
I have a soft spot in my heart for Kumasawa; she consistently comes off as one of the kindest people on the island and genuinely seemed to try her best to provide Yasuda the best life she could under wildly unusual circumstances. The way Yasuda seems to gradually resent her for her involvement especially stings me.
I also think the VN is the best way to experience the story. The manga is still phenomenal though, and should absolutely be used as a blueprint if anyone ever tries an anime adaption again. I just think people should only read it after finishing the VN and spending time thinking about what it meant to them.
I do enjoy the whole visual and audio experience with the visual novel. But OH MAN, the manga was absolutely fantastic with its metaphor imagery and facial expressions.
@@TheAugustHail Even small details like "You are incompetent" being a full 2-page spread shows everyone involved knew what was important as they adapted it.
Honestly for me I'm kinda split
What I desire is the real whole truth
But what Ange needs is her own truth
I think it's actually pretty neat that it puts me at such an impasse
@@TheAugustHail the manga also had such great music by goldsmith reuploads
Believe it or not, there’s a continuation of sorts to the Trick ending in the *fighting game* of all places. In the Ange/Erika route, Ange does reject the notion of the witch as well as the Eva culprit theory, but because she finds no proof that Battler died in the explosion, she still believes in her own truth that Battler is still alive and will one day return to her.
Ryukishi going the extra mile in the Indepth lore within the fighting game lol.
Also a lot of fun character development along with some serious ones. Such as George feeling guilty and asking Shannon for forgiveness after having a dream where he solved the Epitath and Beatrice granted him a harem. Or Beatrice actually humoring a board where Battler was an accomplice.
One of the most interesting revelations in this chapter is that Lambda was the god in the lightning who gave her power to Takano in Matsuribayashi.
That originally appears in the short story "Memoirs of the ΛΔ" actually, which was later also converted into visual novel format in the sidestory fandisc, Umineko Tsubasa.
Think back to the very first episode, to the very first appearance of Shannon. If Jessica didn't stop him from fondling her, the lie would've been over before anything even started.
Think of that, Shannon turning down George in favor of Battler because of that, well for the memories of the past with Battler winning over the 'present' of a relationship with George.
George would 'lose' his desired future with Shannon but would unknowingly gain a future along with the rest of the family.
34:07 "Since this child swore to me to become a god" (Hint: Matsuribayashi)
I really, really recommend reading Umineko Saku. It's an official continuation of series from R07, it's really, really good and for some reason a lot of people don't know about it. Saku is great and deserves to be explored.
Last Note is really good imo
was saku the one where they're confronted by the piece featherine sends directly?
@@azashiro13 Yes (I see what you did there)
It's getting an official translation so most people are probably waiting for that.
Episode 8 is an amazing finale to the story but Confession and the rest of manga made it to the whole new level. The manga didnt sugar-coat the truth, it’s even much more brutal than Episode 7. Manga episode 8 is like a new game plus that give me the truest ending of the franchise. Anyone who read Umineko should never ignore Manga episode 8.
I can see why people enjoy the manga but something about the vagueness of the VN really vibes with me. My head canon disregards the manga despite the fact that some of the answers I came to from the VN match the manga.
There are a few other important items appearing in the manga:
1) When Ange jumped off the building, Bernkastel guaranteed her death I'm red.
2) The ending is reworked in two important ways:
a) it is shown that Featherine is writing not just her battle with Lambda but the ending of Umineko as well, raising question on how much is real.
b) the romantic scene of Battler jumping into the sea with Beatrice is followed by a new, super depressing scene showing that occured prior to the games and led to Battler's amnesia in the meta-verse. Beatrice also acknowledges that she is destined to a hellish fate.
yasu realising everything was one of the only sections out of any fiction that made me cry. she never had a choice at anything and all of that just hit her in the face like a truck, she was forced to live a life she never would've chose to live. i remember trying to not make a lot of noise beacuse it was 3am and my parents were sleeping but holy shit it made me feel bad
I hope that one day we can have a GOOD umineko anime with the confession of the golden witch being animated with shannon narrating, after gou/sotsu i lost hope but maybe a miracle will happen
ok but when phase 2 of ciconia finally comes out you HAVE to read it .
it turns basically everything we have come to expect from wtc on its head and has a lot of fun characters ! plus no one actually knows where its going at this point
if you liked umineko for its sort of bizarre layering of fantasy over reality , check out Forest , its a bit more crude but definitely a LOT weirder and more interesting to read
It was really fun watching your journey through Umineko! I'm glad we got to watch along with you. And even if you didn't hammer out all the details to the howdunnit, you're absolutely right on the the most important part being the whydunnit.
For one last bittersweet factoid, R07 has said later on that George would have accepted Sayo, if he'd found out.
Can't wait to see what you tackle next!
Thanks for tagging along~!
Of course he would, George is a really selfish person especially for Sayo.
@@kyleco9149 I feel bad for Battler, the Author wants to torture everyone, and only Featherine survived from Creator's manslaughter. He's such Auau-simp. He treated Sayo and Rika pretty badly. He's also guilty for not having Meta-Keiichi.
Spoilers for anyone else reading this, but why are you watching this video if you don't already know how everything ends at this point lol.
I'm surprised that you didn't mention the extra level of tragedy in realizing that all the games were actually taking place after the incident. That Sayo finally got to confess everything to Battler, but then when she died and was in the meta world, Battler had forgotten everything thus the ending actually begins the first episode.
Plus the manga does explain how Sayo escaped the island with Battler. You didn't mention getting that answer, but basically the shot missed Sayo and only knocked her out like Eva. Sayo then goes around the island looking for survivors and finds the dead cousins, Battler arrives to the golden room just as Sayo returns. He realizes its Shannon, and before anything can be explained, they hear footsteps. Sayo thinks its Kyrie and Rudolf and wanting to save Battler takes him through the secret tunnel. In reality it's Eva who collects the headship ring and lets the bomb stay active while she heads to kuwadorian. While in the tunnel, Sayo confesses pretty much everything to Battler and he accepts and forgives her since she didn't actually murder anyone in the end. They manage to get to the boat as the island explodes, and then the rest of the magic ending plays out the same from there.
A difference in the manga at the very end is that Battler doesn't have his jacket when diving but actually gets it back when he sees Sayo in the ocean's depths, implying it's a magic scene and Battler never actually reached her.
@@dappershinx9234 Yeah I always imagined that was all in Sayo's head them reuniting. Also serving as a metaphor for Battler's memories dying with Sayo.
@@dappershinx9234 the way i see it is not that battler reaching her was just sayo's illusion, it is more than that, it actually is his soul/memories/personality dying by drowning.
So in the end, he dies and that is why they meet in the place called purgatorio in ep1 tea party. But his soul is empty there, half of it died as stated in red but other half reamined in tohya as memories.
To me, Battler and Beatrice's battle in the metaworld during the first 4 episodes symbolizes both tohya accepting and getting rid of battler and also metabattler(battler's soul) remembering his experiences in rokkenjima. It is like the remains of battler's soul is flowing from tohya back to metabattler.
Probably be the most brutal scenes I ever read in my life, a series of cruel fate just line up to kill Sayo.
24:37 I like that reaction, what a good reaction.
I recommend to watch "Umineko Motion Graphic", after finishing Umineko. These are short music viedos summaring each of the chapters.
In light of the manga, the confirmation of the disasterous circumstances that forced Shannon into giving up is precisely what made Ange's final decision a miracle of miracles. Sure, the circumstances were definitely in Ange's favour comparatively, since she was far more able to "simply not waste away her life" purely logistically speaking, while Shannon would have to battle with fate. But the sheer weight on their hearts were of the absolute same.
I think that, though difficult, Shannon *might* have been able to escape her fate with a change in perspective. Maria was a perfect example of a possible route Shannon could have gone down, which is infinitely happier since even that cursed route leaves open the clear possibility of hope. Regardless of whether you accept the meta world 8th game leading Ange forward or explain it all as a click in her mind, that realisation and acceptance of that possible alternative was still a coin flip against equally impossible odds for the both of them that Shannon lost and that Ange won.
It's probably safe to say that the 8 episodes was building up to the one and only "true" miracle in the Umineko universe: Ange.
Now playing Umineko will be a completely different, watching every scene will be tragedy. Just visit few previous scenes as well.
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Also PLEASE WRITE A SPOILER FREE UMINEKO REVIEW. People still don't know this hidden gem. I could have never imagined that such a fantasy story was actually a proper murder mystery and that followed classic Knox rules. A lot of people just give up because its lengthly.
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The rule Z is actually one which was not used in Ep5, meaning the game was without love. And it is only game where Yasu bribes battler to take revenge against Natsuki which goes against her rule Z (lambdadelta forced her since she was the game master). Rule Z is wanted someone (battler specifically) to solve epitaph and save her.
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Also, keeping all motives aside, she truly wanted to create a murder mystery for battler to solve. Both were murder mystery fans, and she though battler will be able to pick up on those tricks. Ideally she wanted battler to solve epitaph and reveal her as culprit and save her and people of island from tragedy. Unfortunately this ideal fragment never came in existence. Battler had changed in those 6 years. Her expectations from battler were too high. In the end he turned out to be incompetent. Thats why she was able to say "You are incompetent" in red. Its all chain of events that lead to this tragedy. From rudalf marriage, natsuki not accepting child, so on and on.
Also it would be interesting to read solution to Episode 5 and Episode 6 as well.
Read episode 9, Featherine opens the cat box, the culprit is revealed. translation patches exist for the new Umineko Saku chapters. Our Confession and Last Note of the Golden Witch are a new episode, not just extras.
Shannon: " You don't remember six years ago, ... Because I remember it like it was yesterday" oof.
What are your thoughts on the series' themes? How would you compare it with Higurashi? I feel like a lot was kind of brushed over too quickly with this series.
Would love to see The House in Fata Morgana experience
Congrats on finishing Umineko !
Wondering if Muramasa is the next story you’ll get into...
I do plan on checking that one out eventually but I have quite the backlog now lol
2:59 There's not really any alternative though? A lot of people survive the scene, so the existence of magic in the scene requires a mass conspiracy.
THEY ALL NEEDED A LOT OF MONEY RIGHT NOW!
Yeah. Episodes 1 and 2 are the base, as scripts written by Sayo, 3-4 are dramatized outliers written by Ikuko and Touya.
Lion is a girl with turner syndrome, who got proper medical care but still has some puberty issues. Sayo didn't get the help throughout her growth and had worse hormonal issues.
Turner syndrome delays puberty to your twenties (Sayo is only 19), happens only to women and is more prevalent in case of incest. Which this case clearly is. Nanjo a japanese doctor. Even now, the trans issue is controversial in japan. He's a japanese doctor in the 60s. Performing a sex reassignment surgery on a baby is definitely not something within his skill set.
I find it very unlikely for a family physician to know of the proper procedure (a vaginoplasty), apply it on a near death baby and getting it magically right. That would be an even bigger miracle than baby Sayo surviving the fall off a cliff. A vaginoplasty also requires some medical maintenance over time which of course wasn't given. Therefore, the idea that the baby from 19 years ago aka Sayo being a biological boy kinda falls flat.
Sayo's biggest dream was to be a mother, she went crazy because she learned this all at once:
1) The man she planned to have kids with (George) was her cousin/nephew.
2) Even her age was a lie (told she was 16, she was 19), everything from her beginning was a lie, even being an orphan was kind of a lie too.
3) She can't have kids because of the accident maiming her uterus so that even if properly hormone treated for turner syndrome she still wouldn't *ever* be a mom.
4) Battler comes back and brings back baggage that she had tried to ignore for years.
Also, she also because of the aforementioned turner syndrome and puberty delays, Sayo developed some gender dysphoria and thought that crossdressing as a guy was a good idea, which she ended kinda discarding the idea of love with Jessica since her strongest identity was always Shannon, the development with George was much stronger and the fact that she didn't feel comfortable with Jessica as proven in nearly every interaction between Kanon and Jessica that doesn't involve magic or story embellishing.
It's possible Sayo/Shannon was bisexual, but knowing that it wouldn't ever work with Jessica was obvious, thus why it is never pursued seriously in anything other than a magic scene.
...I'd like to ask you, then: Why does Natsuhi not find it at all weird when Sayo contacts her as "the man from 19 years ago"?
Occam's Razor. (Also, Turner Syndrome was never explained in the story, hence rendering the mystery unfair if that were the case) There is no need to go around in knots. The much simpler, clearer answer is that Sayo is trans. What gender exactly? Who knows. Kanon and Shannon are both them. Lion, their ideal self, explicitly rejects being gendered at all. As for their sexuality, as they put it: They will fall in love with anyone who would love them. But that only happened with Jessica once Sayo already knew the truth about their body and bloodline and hence, they refused to deepen yet another crush on a family member beyond what started at the concert.
Would it be that hard to see them with love as someone neither cis nor straight?
@@rezareth1534 to be fair, Natsuhi never even hold baby Lion and spend just some days before the cliff thing, so it's possible, and before you say this would make Natsuhi too stupid, remember Jessica didn't suspected not seing Kinzo for 2 YEARS, Ryukishi has no problem doing this kind of stupid shit
@@hendix2200 I mean, it's technically possible (though Sayo would still not exactly be cis given the Kanon thing and Lion's everything). But unlike in that case, there are no clues in one direction and a couple in the other here, so we can guess which is likelier.
In the end, Sayo/Lion's agab doesn't really matter, but it always annoys me a little when people seem unusually desperate to avoid a certain conclusion as though it were something awful, haha.
@@rezareth1534 i mean, Genji did hid the baby to evitate the same "thing" from happening again, that just does not makes sense if Lion was a men and to this day i never found a good counter to this, and yeah we have the in-character Lion tweet made by Ryukishi when they implie their gender is male, so yeah it's just a big mess
@@hendix2200 The wording is "preventing Kinzo from making the same mistake again", which does not require an ability to become pregnant. That particular awfulness could happen to anyone.
But yeah, I just use they/them for both Lion & Sayo and that's that! I don't think the readers are meant to be plucking apart their identity or body.
These were a joy to sit through beginning to end. I'd reserve a chunk of my Monday every week to watch these beginning to end. Your reactions + the fact I just really like Umineko in general made it a very enjoyable ride.
Now it's time to hop into the Muv-Luv pain train to depression town. (Tho tbh, independent of what game comes next in this series, I'll definitely watch it beginning to end just because the quality of the content is always top of the line.)
Haha thanks! Thank for tagging along for the ride!~
WAITTTTT!!!! There's still two more stories in Umineko Saku!!! "Our Confession" and "Last Note of the Golden Witch". I thought they were really good.
She might be the most tragic fictional character ever or at least up there.
Look up the number of possible chess games there are, that's a fun easter egg.
Wonderful, looking forward to whatever reviews you do next
Read Ciconia,Ciconia is Ryu07s magnum opus.
Finally the end, it been a ride. Good luck on whatever you do next!
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Give us your thoughts on what happened here with Sayo and what already happened with Ange, and how Gou/Sotsu plays with similar themes!
I'm curious what your final review of Umineko as a visual novel is. (As well as some side thoughts on it and what's happening in Gou.)
Man, especially in Japan, transgender and LGBT matters are not... well accepted, especially not at the time, and especially not in that kind of place.
It's hinted both George would accept Yasu for who they are, but he unwittingly pushes his dream onto them without asking or understanding them.
Hell, Battler would absolutely accept Yasu. And while there's no evidence for it, but considering their birth gender I believe Jessica would too.
But the combination of everything is what lead to such a horrible outcome. I really wish Yasu could have had a happy ending.
W japan
It's a little depressing to realise that meta Battler also pushed his dreams and expectations on the new Beatrice in episode 6, viewed retroactively. Of course, that could be seen as a possible metaphor for coming to terms with his grief and eventual acceptance of Beatrice as a whole. But then spinning it around, the fact that the new Beatrice eventually became "Battler's own Beatrice" could ALSO be read as Beatrice caving in to another demand with another new personality.
Oh when will this game stop torturing me so.
i like all videos about umineko
Yasuda Sayo... Ushiromiya Lion... Shannon... Kanon... Beatrice...
... it's one whole mess. She ultimately seemed to have found something to call herself in the very end, on that boat - yet just as well, the whole story, in a way, asks you what you would call her in the end: Sayo... or Beatrice?
Don't forget to read Episode 9 in Umineko Saku. Also, the ending of the episode 8 manga has more of the answers you seek,
i have mixed feelings about the manga but i wholeheartedly agree that it is a necessary read ep7 and 8 especially for a dumbass like me lol. Plus i find the hide and seek part more enjoyable than halloween riddle party
Please read the 8th chapter in the manga. You'll thank yourself later.
not mentioning memoirs of lambdadelta? saku?
So how to we read the confession of the Golden which?
God
Will you also read umineko saku?
29:09 , what did Godha do?
He was an accomplice in episode 2. And the reasons why he started working for Natsuhi and Krauss were quite selfish.
I'm confused now. Is Kanon real? Jessica, Erika, and etc. have seen Shan and Kan in the same room, so i dont get it
Kanon is one of Sayo's personas, as EP7 and Confession explains. Jessica has never seen Shannon and Kanon together in a reliable scene.
Kanon and Shannon being in the same room is part of the Illusion of the Witch.
If they are seen together, it's likely the perspective of an accomplice, as in someone who is aware that they are the same person.
The House in Fata Morgana is an underrated masterpiece I consider to be "The Better Umineko."
Whenever I see people excuse Satoko's motives in Gou because Sayo "was similar" I want to really question how they managed to stay alive that long.
Didn't expect to see your anger on the Higurashi Gou even here xD
@@KruchyxD Not my fault people use actually well written characters and stories to make trash look good.
Sayo was just a dumb child.
Imagine getting tons of gold...and not using it because you feel disgusted a yourself.
Use the gold to help charities,adopt children,try and communicate for gods sake.
Sayo really said "hm im rich but kinzo bad so me bad"
@@makes58 Yes the child with already serious mental health problems to the point of creating Imaginary friends and other personas in order to hang on dear life even before discovering the truth can indeed just ignore all of that and just use the gold.
Yeah...
@@ssjokg4952 uh, not saying you're not right about that, and I'm definitely not saying that Satoko and Sayos motives are even comparable, but satoko had very bad mental issues too, trust issues, detachment issues, obviously separation anxiety since her brother left her and she never really had any parental figure for most of her life, Satoko had very bad and very real issues, I wouldn't call higurashi gou/sotsu trash imo
"Time to move out of WTC stories"
A shame,i really liked your channel and your reviews,oh well,unsubbed.