why the cherokee 140 is a great first airplane

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  • @n7533p
    @n7533p 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I bought a quarter share in a 140 with that same paint for 3,900 in '87 and flew the hell out of it. What a great plane!

  • @nick.simmer
    @nick.simmer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I purchased my Cherokee 140 last year. It has six pack, but had old king radios with a 1980's hybrid audio panel. I owned the plane a month and ripped out the entire audio panel and one of the king radios and replaced with a 430 and a new PSE audio panel. Next week, it goes back to the shop for a GTX345, a couple G5's and some minor other things. I'm doing all of this; not to change or increase the value of the plane at resale, but to get more value from my time owning the plane. By the way, next up will be an auto-pilot. I would like to have a faster plane, but it's not economical. I fly about 100-150 hours a year. I'm fine in a PA28-140.

    • @schwemdog1
      @schwemdog1  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      sounds like you are going to have a really nice panel. You have the right attitude on the upgrades. Not looking to get the money back but enjoy them for your flying. The pa28-140 isn't that fast, but a little extra flight time going somewhere isn't always a bad thing.

  • @spurgear4
    @spurgear4 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I soloed in a Cherokee thirty years ago, the Johnson bar flaps are still my favorite

  • @johnbunker5102
    @johnbunker5102 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Owned a 67 Cherokee 140 ( C-FWDR ) for about 10 years starting back in the 1970s. Great little airplane. Same colour ( paint scheme ) as your pictured model. I had the very last model with the push-pull throttle and mixture. The only issue I ever had was they used an aluminum core cable to run from the battery box under the seat to the starter solenoid on the firewall. Had to replace that. Wish I still owned it but, life sometimes gets in the way.

  • @cncelements6531
    @cncelements6531 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thanks for sharing this great information. I purchased a Piper Cherokee 140 in September 2020 as a young student owner and would have found this video very helpful back then. I had to say no to two planes first due to bad pre-buy inspections. At the time it was painful spending money on multiple prebuy inspections, but definitely worth it in the long run. After purchasing my plane, I trained with my CFI nonstop for two weeks, passed my checkride in early October, and now have 200 hrs. I plan to start my Instrument training next month. I spent $19k on the plane and another $4k before I passed my checkride (instructor fees, gas, insurance, hanger, and checkride fee).

    • @schwemdog1
      @schwemdog1  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Great job on passing your checkride and getting ready for your ifr training. You got your license for a great price!

    • @darrellkhill
      @darrellkhill 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Congratulations on your checkride. Where did you find your 140

    • @schwemdog1
      @schwemdog1  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Dana White Your son should look into becoming a cfi. He can rack up a lot of hours getting paid to train pilots. If buying a plane is going to happen do it soon so you can save the money on rentals. Flight clubs may be a way to fly cheaper as well.

  • @josephwesley8456
    @josephwesley8456 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You gave a very accurate and honest evaluation of the airplanes handicaps, capabilities and possibilities. I own a 1973 Cherokee 140/160 and your data is accurate. Fun little airplane. Nice video.

    • @schwemdog1
      @schwemdog1  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      thanks Joseph. I'm glad you enjoyed the video.

  • @RandyBroderick
    @RandyBroderick 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Love my ‘67 PA28-140! N4257J. It’s my first, and probably only airplane. Easy to fly, relatively inexpensive to own and operate, and it just looks sexy! Great video!

    • @ringofasho7721
      @ringofasho7721 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What do you spend per year on maintenance? I read the operating cost is close to 16k yearly and that's wayyyy too steep for me.

  • @roberthaight29
    @roberthaight29 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I worked on brand new ones from Piper Cherokee. That is great first plane. Tried and true and easier to maintain (also A&P)

  • @jerryspringer6411
    @jerryspringer6411 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Crazy how prices have double in the last year.

    • @schwemdog1
      @schwemdog1  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      they started shooting before the video, but have gone crazy! like doubled. I'm seeing 140's that were in the low 20's now in the high 30's to low 40's. The prices have changed but the price difference compared to other entry airplanes still applies. I suspect with the rise in inflation and gas prices plane prices may come down as people won't have as much discretionary income.

  • @kimberlywentworth9160
    @kimberlywentworth9160 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That is the best advice you have given me in regards to the trim. Clockwise, screw into the sky and counter clockwise to come out of the sky - go down. I just started flying the PA-140 and it fly nice and it's a plane I can afford once I get my PP.

    • @schwemdog1
      @schwemdog1  ปีที่แล้ว

      the prices have been going through the roof. My plane is in California and the taxes went from a value of 21,000 to 45,000 two years ago. This year they went from 45,000 to 65,000.

  • @N1834J
    @N1834J ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great review of the cherokee; I currently own one, and have owned for the last 30 years; I own a 1968. I have the 160 hp upgrade; flap and gap seals, and upgraded to the AV30's; just a word of caution on the AV30's. I took out perfectly working steam gauges; ai and dg; The AV 30 as an ai works well, and is a nice upgrade; a tremendous amount of information can be displayed. The AV30 as a DG does not work well; it drifts like crazy, and I mean 15- 30 degrees on a 30 minute flight. The company released the product with out a device called a magnetometer, this device is critical in preventing drift. They are in the process of getting it approved , but who knows when ? In comparison the GI 275 from Garmin is double the price, but they do have the magnetometer approved. That aside , the DG also provides a tremendous amount of information; and connects to a gps , and will also show gps track.

    • @schwemdog1
      @schwemdog1  ปีที่แล้ว

      thank you for the review of the av30. This is the kind of info people need when considering this upgrade.

    • @jimbangerter903
      @jimbangerter903 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Magnetometer is available and will support 2 AV-30s. A must addition. I have 2 and they work great!

  • @andrewwatson9805
    @andrewwatson9805 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Easy way to remember trim: imagine a much longer trim handle--if it hits you on the back of the head, face goes down: trim is down. If it hits you on the forehead face goes up :trim is up.

    • @schwemdog1
      @schwemdog1  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That is a good one!

    • @N1377J
      @N1377J 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not good. sorry

  • @ronaldgarnes8809
    @ronaldgarnes8809 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent review. The designers remembered the KISS principle. A fun and straight forward plane to fly and work on.

  • @bassgee2938
    @bassgee2938 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very informative video. Nice job.

    • @schwemdog1
      @schwemdog1  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm glad you liked it. I will be doing a video in the next month or two about the performance mods i've done.

  • @kevinpereira7864
    @kevinpereira7864 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great info! I'm in Big Bear as well and used to fly the Cherokee in the flight club there.

    • @schwemdog1
      @schwemdog1  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      another big bear flyer. I might do a video about mountain flying and high altitude airports.

  • @harryshaw4998
    @harryshaw4998 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I loved my Cherokee Cruiser 43333

  • @robbiestrickland3372
    @robbiestrickland3372 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for the video. I’m considering a 140 as well, and this was helpful.

    • @schwemdog1
      @schwemdog1  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      awsome Robbie. If you have any questions you need answered about the cherokee 140 let me know.

  • @stationmanager9325
    @stationmanager9325 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The PA28 is a very good aircraft for learning spinning. It stalls well and iit spins well. Please note you need training to spin any aircraft. The PA28 you will also need professional training..
    Make sure the aircraft is approved in your country. In my part of the world it is Australia and New Zealand. I was asked to spin a PA28 by a CAA pilot on a CPL Renewal. No problem all went well. I found the PA28 a much better aircraft to spin then say a Cessna 150.

  • @honestarrow492
    @honestarrow492 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you!!

  • @avestuart
    @avestuart 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm 50, PPL and instrument-rating with about 400 hours and considering ownership. Right now I rent and fly typically about every other week. That's getting expensive. I prefer high-wings but they are getting expensive and with a lot of competition. I've found that the Cherokee will give me the best bang for my buck. I've been thinking about a 180 but now after looking at the 140 I wonder if this will be all I really need. I'll mostly fly by myself with at most one passenger. I'd probably remove the rear seats. It's really important for me to have an IFR machine as I file IFR nearly every time I fly. But most people are telling me that I won't be happy with a 140, but honestly i'm not sure i'll need a 180.
    Any opinions on this?

    • @schwemdog1
      @schwemdog1  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you are flying with just you and a passenger the 140 may be perfect for you. The 180 has a baggage door if you need that. If you will fly out of high density altitude airports you may prefer the 180. Often people buy more plane then they need and just increase their cost of ownership. The 180 is a little faster. If most of your trips are under 250 miles and you don't need the gross weight benefit of a 180 I would probably buy a 140. I find the cost of ownership and insurance is hard to beat. It is also a very stable airplane and should make a good ifr plane. Don't know if that means you want an autopilot or how advanced you want the avionics. Find the airplane that has what you need. It will be cheaper then adding it later. Good luck on the search.

    • @MrShepardDog
      @MrShepardDog 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have about 2 hours in a 140 from years ago. What I remember is, with four good -sized passengers, you wish you had more power. Like putting four people in a base PT Cruiser. With just you and maybe one passenger, you should be fine...

  • @DIYflyer
    @DIYflyer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Which year did you buy your plane ? Just curious as the current (Sept 2021) price for a decent plane is hovering around $50k.

    • @schwemdog1
      @schwemdog1  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I purchased mine six years ago. I've heard prices have been going up. I would go to local airports and see if they have boards where people post their airplanes. Barnstormers and trade a plane are good websites to check.

  • @bobkimmcdonald6171
    @bobkimmcdonald6171 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Enjoyed your informative video.

    • @schwemdog1
      @schwemdog1  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      thanks

    • @bobkimmcdonald6171
      @bobkimmcdonald6171 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@schwemdog1 I just bought a 1972 PA-28 140 with zero time 160 hp. Been flying since 1975 but was a student of the ".Cessna Pilot Centre". Flew a new Warrior demo in 1978. But I haver never flown a Cherokee 140. Its a retirement toy.

    • @schwemdog1
      @schwemdog1  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bobkimmcdonald6171 I think you will enjoy it a lot. Be careful for the first couple hundred hours on the engine. Keep extra altitude and make it a habit of playing the game where would I land If I had an engine failure. Safe flying.

  • @Matt-mo8sl
    @Matt-mo8sl 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Learned to fly back in 1990 in a 1967 Cherokee 140, N4345J. She was a great little airplane. I wish my wife would let me buy one but airplane ownership with a mortgage and my FedEx salary aren't gonna mix.

    • @schwemdog1
      @schwemdog1  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      maybe a flight club would work. It might get you in the air with shared expenses to keep it with in budget.

  • @1dullgeek
    @1dullgeek 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just bought my first airplane: 1964 Cherokee 140. Knowing what you know now, what priority would you put on the upgrades that you've done?

    • @schwemdog1
      @schwemdog1  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I would start with the horner wing tips. If you fly out of high density altitude airports I would get the powerfllow exhaust. The vortex generators was nice and not to pricey. I will be adding flap gap seals and an engine monitoring gauge. I'll let you know what I think of them after flying for a month.

  • @bobkimmcdonald6171
    @bobkimmcdonald6171 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What difference did the Powerflow exhaust make in performance? You already had the 160 hp upgrade. I'm looking at this upgrade presently for higher climb rate, and shorter take-offs.

    • @schwemdog1
      @schwemdog1  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The powerflow added a bit of power. maybe 15hp. May do more for a 0 time engine(perhaps 20). I felt it was a good mod. The horner wing tips from knots 2 u and the vg's from plane dynamix also do a good bit for higher climb rate as well. The two combined may do as much as the powerflow for short take off and climb. Want to say the vg's and horner tips together may come to 1,600 before instillation.

    • @schwemdog1
      @schwemdog1  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm adding a cht and egt gauge to the cherokee. It will allow me to use the variable timing from the surefly ignition and also run lean of peak. I'll let you know what my cruise speed and burn changes to.

    • @bobkimmcdonald6171
      @bobkimmcdonald6171 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@schwemdog1 What engine monitor are you using?

    • @bobkimmcdonald6171
      @bobkimmcdonald6171 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@schwemdog1 I can't find Dynamix VG web site of VG info. Are they out of business?

    • @schwemdog1
      @schwemdog1  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bobkimmcdonald6171 they may have gone out of business. I couldn't pull up there web site. Micro vg makes a set but the go along the whole wing and the stabilator. I am going to use EI engine monitor.

  • @jjohnston94
    @jjohnston94 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I flew a Cherokee for the first time recently and I don't like it. Hand lever operated brake? Was Piper on drugs? And maybe it's just the one I flew, but the trim (ceiling crank) doesn't seem to do anything, so it gets tiring, very fast.

    • @schwemdog1
      @schwemdog1  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The trim wheel may need adjustment. Mine works well. I have foot brakes but often use the handle as it applies the breaks evenly. That being said not every design appeals to all pilots. Maybe try a cessna 172, beechcraft muskateer or a grumman tiger. Try a few out and find the one you enjoy.

  • @GeneralSirDouglasMcA
    @GeneralSirDouglasMcA 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    While I would prefer the Cherokee 180/Archer, the 140 is probably the safer buy as an introduction to ownership. As of now, a lot of 140’s (some of them IFR-equipped) are around $50-60k on barnstormers, whereas the 180’s average at least $100k. Not to mention fuel burn and maintenance will be a bit less.

    • @schwemdog1
      @schwemdog1  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I like the cherokee 180 as well. The 2400 lbs gross weight is nice. If you don't need the increase in gross weight or fly out of high density airports it may not be worth the extra cost. The price of planes has sky rocketed over the last two years. I feel like there will be a market correction and prices will come down some. Only time will tell.

    • @GeneralSirDouglasMcA
      @GeneralSirDouglasMcA 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@schwemdog1 Also the cruise speed of the 180 makes it more desirable. But for someone on lower income, the 140 is probably the safer option.

  • @allamericandude15
    @allamericandude15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man I wish I could find a decent mid-time Cherokee for $21k, I'd buy that *today*. But that same plane is going for $50k+ now. Bonkers.

    • @schwemdog1
      @schwemdog1  ปีที่แล้ว

      prices have gone crazy! For many years cherokees prices were going down. now in a few short years my plane has gone from 21k to 60k. I don't know if everyone went out and got a ppl during covid. I should do a video on how fast prices have gone up and the effect on my yearly tax bill.

  • @kimberlywentworth9160
    @kimberlywentworth9160 ปีที่แล้ว

    3 is a crowd and no way will I allow 4 adults. Drive me crazy with that amount of people in a small plane. This is even before I get to the performance and weight and balance. To me it's a two person airplane where you can bring some small bags for the back seats.

    • @schwemdog1
      @schwemdog1  ปีที่แล้ว

      you won't get 4 adults in a cherokee 140. 2 adults and a teenager with less fuel is doable. 2 adults and luggage should be easy. I gave a friend a lift the other day. we are both bigger guys. more then an hour or two would not have been much fun.

  • @mattivirta
    @mattivirta 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    why, because have cheap under 20 000$ can buy all old model and ready to fly condition .its cheap, little simple good first plane newbie.

  • @eski152
    @eski152 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    audio stinks
    cant make out your comment on wingtips

    • @schwemdog1
      @schwemdog1  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      they are metco wingtips. you can purchase them at knots2u. I think they are a good upgrade worth doing.

    • @eski152
      @eski152 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@schwemdog1 consider a microphone or a better one - slow your speech rate or edit to a more understandable rate

  • @stanleybest8833
    @stanleybest8833 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dumb advice

    • @schwemdog1
      @schwemdog1  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      care to elaborate on what part you disagree with?

    • @stanleybest8833
      @stanleybest8833 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Prop twist. You don't get something for nothing and it's hard on both prop and motor. Big exhaust. Expensive and klunky /nonstandard. VG s. Waste of cash. It's one thing to mess with one plane but guiding newcomers to follow your advice like sheep isn't humble at all. I came close to grabing a Cherokee and restoring it but a messed with one is more grief. My motor sat in a hangar for maybe 30 years. No problem sitting . Two upgrades are good. 1. LED lights all around. 2. Alternator electronic regulator, not points.

    • @schwemdog1
      @schwemdog1  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@stanleybest8833 We disagree on some things. The power flow exhaust has changed. It no longer has the muffler hanging outside of the plane with the bracket. It is now just a pointing out of the cowling similar to the standard exhaust. It may be expensive and I made it clear you should not expect to get your money back when you sell the plane. I have enjoyed the extra climb rate, shorter take off and slower stall speeds that the horner wing tips combined with the vg's have added. The prop tip mod changes the tip profile to a horner profile. The extra efficiency of the tip is why you are supposed to be able to change the pitch without loosing climb rate(just changing the pitch and expecting the same climb rate would be something for nothing). I disagree that this pitch change is going to stress your engine(unless you exceed your rpm limits). The prop pitch change per the stc needs to be done by a prop shop. If they don't think it's wise, I'm sure they will let you know. Your engine may have been fine after 30 years. Others have had pitting on the cam and lifters. I wouldn't buy a plane that had been sitting like that without pulling a jug and borescoping the cam and lifters. It would need to be a great deal for me to pay to have that done knowing it may end up being a deal breaker. I appreciate you commenting. It is good for people to hear different views. Some may only be interested in a stock pa28-140(good for people to consider). Many people however do like them with mods too. If you plan to upgrade to a more capable plane in a few years it makes a lot of sense to skip on mods and save that money for the next plane. It is also a good idea to do your own research and talk to your mechanic before undergoing any decision to do any mods. I like the LEDs and alternators as well.