I absolutely don't know why I am watching this on 3 am, given that I have zero idea about colors and professional displays but I thoroughly loved how patiently he destroyed all other wannabe reviewers with a poker face.
And if this video were to trend you'd see him make a video "I WAS WRONG" with his typical sad/dissapointed face on the thumbnail. Or a "Why I changed to Sony" those ones are always a regular encounter on his channel.
As a broadcast engineer contracted to NBC Olympics since 2008, I have been using the 26 and 30” Sony OLED reference monitors for many years for quality control of incoming HD-SDI streams via undersea cable from the host country. We have many other displays at our disposal for various purposes involved with the job of monitoring finished programs pre-broadcast. The Sony image stands head and shoulders above all of them. Sitting typically 1-2’ away, the color accuracy is breathtaking, the picture seeming to come from somewhere behind and in front of the actual panel surface. The difference to other 4K and above displays is not what you might expect. It is not a dramatic picture at all, but rather like looking through a crystal clear window at the actual scene being shot, but with perfect vision. No saturation hyping, no contrast exaggeration, just what is actually there, rendered visually perfect. I’m a music mixer by profession and vividly remember, many years later, hearing that ultra-rare perfection from Meyer 834 professional monitors. It’s a sound profile frozen in my mind by which all other speakers are compared. The Sony OLED reference monitor has set that same unforgettable standard for me visually.
Nuclear Armament I’m not aware of any Japanese manufacturer making studio reference monitors. And please note I’m not referring to so-called audiophile equipment. Accuracy is #1 in the professional market but way down the list in the marketing-driven audiophile business. In addition to JBL, Westlake, and Meyer, there are a number of small companies making systems for studios that I have been very impressed with but not sufficiently to drop the cost of a car on them.
@@debajyotimajumder2656 if you have android then, try using youtube vanced rather than the standard youtube app. Vanced have an option to switch off the auto brightness for hdr videos 😁
I came as an Apple fan ready for this guy to talk up the Pro Display. And I left completely satisfied with my opinion having changed entirely from an insanely professional and unbiased video. +1 sub based on this video alone.
I came after watching Peter Paul Chato mention the Pro Display XDR getting destroyed in what must have been this review. It helped that it was recommended by the almighty algorithm, of course. Somehow, I always get some satisfaction out of seeing Apple's marketing debunked these days. It's probably because I quit the Mac many moons ago in favor of Linux and cheaper yet superior PC hardware. All that remains now is for reviewers to tear apart the silly price-to-performance ratio of the new Mac Pro, especially in light of the competition from AMD.
Konka Bass it’s probably not their real target market. It’s probably more for people like tech TH-cam’s, media companies and other content creators who need quality displays and but aren’t going to spend $50,000. I’d be willing to bet they’re just trying to align their product with this level of equipment for marketing purposes
@@Premium-Content but you can buy lg c9 and it will be better than that 50000$ after calibration. Well, as it will be under 0.5 deltaE so immposible to tell.
I don’t think he makes the target market. He is someone who actually needs the Sony oled and like his peers in the industry actually can make use of the benefits that provides. I think this is apples way to create a better cinema display but aimed at the indie or small creator studio ( people who cannot afford 100k+ systems and network renderers). It also helps for people in audio who need the resolution to see the whole project and all the instruments put without needing to sacrifice on the size/ need to scroll. It’s a halo product for the “pro-enthusiast” but not professionals or the enthusiasts or anyone else in general.
Is he really the target market though? I think the target market is the prosumer that can stretch their wallet just enough to get this and convince themselves that they have a professional grade monitor and then not really need it in the first place. Apple are absolutely genius at taking advantage of consumers and extracting as much money as possible. They are the apex anti-consumer predator.
But there's alot of us pros who create lower budget content; 40 vs 5 grand is still a slight difference. Edit: there's a fuckton of pros who use apple monitors
As soon as the XDR display was announced I wanted to see this video. The contrast claims were definitely the most bold and I had to see whether or not they could meet them. They uh...certainly did not.
Yeah that piece of marketing is really dishonest. That's like those monitors back in the day which had "infinite to 1 contrast". Technically true, but only because you can turn the monitor off.. (in this case, turn local dimming zones off)
speedyink yeah I hate their marketing on this thing. From the stupid comparisons, to the absolutely atrocious stand. It’s all such crappy marketing. But as a $5k display, it really does hold its own. If they simply toned it down, and said, “yeah this is a color accurate display, that has a lot of features for creative professionals.” It’s great for photography and editing, and could even work as a great low price option for budding film studios. But they couldn’t just be humble and say what it really is. They had to go and compare it to the top dogs, and try to justify that unbelievable comparison.. smh
Grizabella Had Apple just sold the Monitor and the Stand together for $5 999 and not compare it to actual professional reference monitors, I bet most people would have had a much more positive opinion on the device. It’s because Apple treats its customers like they’re total idiots that makes a lot of people unhappy. Granted, most people are idiots when it comes to technology, but a different apporach would be appreciated. They could have said ”look, this is a great monitor. It’s not like the 50k dollar ones that studios use, but it’s not that far off for regular users. If you’re rich, want a great monitor for your office and happen to own a Mac computer, this is for you!”, but that wouldn’t make Apple a trillion dollar company would it?
Don Gonzalo pretty much this whole channel for me 😂 I bought an oled over Christmas and doubt I’ll be buying anything for the next few years. Doesn’t stop me from watching these videos.
@@portedbikes "liquid retina" is literally just an IPS LCD screen and if by nothing comes close you mean it's *inferior* to almost everything else on the market once pixel density is taken into account then yes nothing comes close.
The Windows software controls for non-Bootcamp Windows will eventually come from Appple or third parties. Regarding the ports Apple is forcing the future which is Thunderbolt 3+, not HDMI or DisplayPort for these kinds of applications.
Erotikstudio Winkler GmbH I don’t disagree with you at all. I was just stating how Apple goes about deprecating what they consider obsolete technology. Since coming out with Thunderbolt 1 in 2011 they have been actively deprecating DisplayPort, (with the mini DisplayPort which is the connector they used) in all their devices, accelerated by the fact that DisplayPort at the time did not support their 5 K Retina resolution...
@@dnovom No, Thunderbolt doesn't have enough bandwidth for 8K. When you plug apple monitor, You can only use those other thunderbolt ports at USB 2.0 speeds. because that display takes all the bandwidth. while display port 1.4 can easily stream 8k 60fps. and yes windows need that apple bootcamp app to control the monitor. if someone can port that app to normal windows, everything will be OK.. because you can fix that special thunderbolt timing apple uses, using a thunder ridge card. getting that bootcamp app onto normal windows is the key. otherwise you will need at least a $10000 new mac pro to use this monitor properly.
Simon48 I find this dynamic backlight stuff so annoying. Even on cheap tvs it should be possible to turn it off, but often isn’t. I care more about consistency than absolute contrast numbers. My eyes can adjust to whatever brightness floor and ceiling you give me, but I’m always going to be startled by the backlight adjustments.
@@enneff I can't. Kinda missed my old CRT when I moved to LCD. Stopped noticing for a bit but then I got my first smartphone and it had an OLED panel. Bought a display with FALD and never looked back. It's not perfect but by far an improvement. But it's not a real mastering display if it doesn't have double layered LCDs anymore.
Having used a $40k+ Sony crt reference monitor and compared it side by side with their second gen OLED ref monitor, the crt looked like crap. Any light, not even direct, would ruin the contrast on the crt but unnoticeable on the OLED and its special surface treatment. And this was before HDR.
I love this video. Absolute takedown of people like Jon Morrison who film videos about an iPhone and suddenly think they are 'pro' users. This guy is a true professional and spoke about things I've heard no one else on youtube talk about - and I watch a lot of tech videos.
I've never wanted to "Join" a channel but your 12" joke made me seriously consider it. Thank you for always injecting some humor (with perfect timing may I say)into your technically dense reviews.
interrobangings I wouldn’t judge a profession like that. They’re just lawyers who specialize on certain legal situations. Marriage is a significant legal contract so it requires specialists like any other thing. Do you call trauma surgeons scumbags because they make money by saving people’s lives for 300k a year? They should do it for free because it’s only very unhappy people that need those services, right?
@@mikidof yeah no nobody held you at gunpoint and forced you into that field. having met multiple divorce lawyers, i can say without a doubt they're all scum
Man, you've just gained yourself a sub for life. Thank you for listening to your viewers. I really appreciate it. I've requested this video on your last video and here you are. Now, watch out for apple. They're gonna be coming for you. Lol Edit: this video needs to go viral. Share it everywhere you can.
Maybe Apple can 'convince' those who never saw a footage on proper reference screen, but I can bet that no one who saw it at least once believed Apple's marketing hype.
Great video, man! I worked with TV broadcast for 7 years and one recurring internal “joke/comment” was that no one beats Sony on truly professional gear, period. I’m sure there is a market for the Apple display BUT, if you’re really doing professional work, there’s just no way around true professional gear. ;) Keep up the awesome work!
His presentation is a little dull, but it doesn't matter since it's very professionally written. He could very easily branch out into general tech reviews.
Looks like it does a decent job in most areas, but with only 576 LEDs it was never going to be up to par with emissive pixels like OLED or even dual layer LCDs. Hope they keep updating this on a yearly cadence and adding more LEDs each refresh, until we star to near MicroLED territory. For now though, it largely looks like Apples marketing was overzealous in comparing it to 30K+ reference displays. It's good for the price, but not up there. Which makes it in a bit of a strange spot where it's too much for the vast majority of customers, while being too little for many professional studios. It seems like the ultimate TH-cam content creator display.
Because it is. You see all these Tech TH-camrs gushing over the monitor because of their base level comparison and extremely limited time (if any) working with reference grade monitors. But damn this Apple monitor is pretty slick and that's what gets views
Not only it's good enough for them, it is also hot topic, so they can make content by reviewing the monitor. Kill two birds with one stone. As for the Sony monitor, it's overkill for what they are doing, and the price is too much for them.
tipoomaster it really is in an odd spot. I among other things, do architectural rendering, and material design for games. So color accuracy is always something that’s been important for me, and having that 1600nits peak brightness is nice for making some truly stunning renders. Keeping an eye on sky brightness and how it plays within the scene being incredibly important at times. But outside of weird use cases, where like me, someone doesn’t need a reference monitor, but could use the brightness/contrast, paired with amazing calibration, aaaand they have the budget for a $5k display. I don’t see many people buying it. Maybe a lot of indie film studios and or game studios will grab it. Cause it’s in a very odd price bracket.
First time viewer, he reminded me of the LockPickingLawyer in the way he slowly and savagely tears down the BS created by marketing around poorly and very overpriced made products. Thank you for keeping them honest, I suppose I will not be playing Minecraft on that monitor lol
Vincent is one Savage TV reviewer and professional Calibrator. You know he could add salt to injury at the end if he said "hit that like button and if you are an apple fan hit the dislike button" I would have really enjoyed that hahaha
@@rhtr. Baa baa is your native language I see. Underwhelming restricted tech as usual from them... The Pro in the name makes me laugh though. It's short for Prostitute not Professional!
bunch of fanboy and review on youtube want view since is a apple product is always get recomended by youtube and get shet tons of view just like when apple release anything all review cover it over 10 times and click bait tittle to gain view theres asus monitor with better led tech for less price than apple display lol
It's fun to watch reviews like this on a Sony OLED. The starfield was very black on the Sony, whereas the Apple was grey. I wonder how this looked in person vs what I see on my end. In any event, you can only push a technology so far before you run into the limitations like a brick wall.
very detailed review and comparison. totally unbiased and science based review. love your calm demeanor and sense of humor, never laughed so hard on a tech review video. subscribed.
LCD vs DL LCD, simply no contest 7:54 Well done Vincent.. to the point with valid competent testing result showing advantages and negatives. Love it. But ohh man the number of TH-camrs that just swallow everything that Apple claimed .. Btw it seems it is an LG IPS LCD panel that Apple pro display are using
I must say I'm a bit surprised. Reading the specs at first I assumed it was a panel made by Panasonic since they already offer a dual layer IPS panel with a similar 1000000:1 contrast ratio. Later being told the Apple panel was made by LG still assumed a similar technology. But it being a normal be it very good IPS panel with a basic system for local dimming explains why they are able to keep the price lower than expected. It's no more than a $2000 monitor made with fancy materials and sold for three times the price.
😂😂 Consistently better comedic timing than many "pro" comedians. Not in the market for either of the displays but still watched the whole video, another well-done video.
Speaking of calibration... you're doing something with that display in post-production at 0:32 because your hand goes from pink to yellow & back as it moves from in front of the display. Initially I thought your hand was prosthetic, until I slowed it down frame-by-frame and you can clearly see the change as you cross the edge of the screen.
He applied a mask to his video for aesthetic appeal. Possibly to enhance his skin tone etc. He must have added a cut out of that mask around the display so it remains accurate. When his hand leaves the mask it loses the layer adjustment.
Not all heroes wear capes. Thank you for this review. I was on the fence whether to buy this monitor or not. So basically apple is selling a regular old IPS monitor with full array local dimming and calling it a reference monitor. Jeeez how low can the marketing sink? I will get an OLED with HDMI 2.1 :)
Most likely a mask was applied in post to change the skin tones and that mask could not be over the screen because it would affect the colors of the screen whenever skintone-alike colors would appear on the display, therefore the hand changes color at the edge of the screen. (They were to lazy to track the hand or they simply did not notice it)
Carl Jirestedt ah do you mean to say to keep the colors on the rest of the image constant ? The thing was that I am not a pixel peeper by any measure but every time that hand showed up over the screen something just felt off. It wasn’t until later I realized the hand was the one melting my brain.
Thank you for an honest review backed up by FACTS. It’s so tiring watching tech reviewers gush over an item for 10 minutes with little to no evidence of anything.
Thanks for the review. I work a lot with Sony reference monitors (X300 mostly) as well as some of the Eizo ColorEdge monitors (not great) and the Dolby PRM and it just seems crazy that apple could think they would compare favourably against these screens. It really makes them look like a bit of a joke when they knowingly try to mislead people with false claims. I mean, they must have access to the best calibration equipment so they must have figured out, the same way you did, that the performance wasn't there. Apple really is just about style over substance these days, there's only so long you can keep making grand claims that aren't true before people figure it out.
Finally someone who get both monitor do a comparison. I dont understand why so many people believe Apple just made Reference monitor that is as good as Sony BVM and sold at them at 1/8 price. Apple is known for charging extra for all their products they wont sell product it that low. If it is half price then it might more believable.
@@batuhancokmar7330 this is designed for rich youtubers😂 They don't understand what imax grade videography require.. They are happy with their final cut and 8k red camera footage 😂
Sometimes the world doesn't need another hero, sometimes what it needs is a tv reviewer and a professional calibrator.
To be more specific, his name is Vincent Teoh and not something with Quantum.
The hero our standard mode 9000K out-of-the-box displays deserve...
I read last part in Vincent's accent without meaning to.
Queen laqueefa your user name rocks..
LMAO Brilliant!
Maybe this guy doesn't have a 12" portable DVD player, but he does have some large balls
Eduardo Cereto Carvalho 😂
large discs
You mean large discs, right?
@@real_armadillo I think he means that he has the balls to defame Apple.
@@jeremyw.5729 it's not defaming, he reported numbers and proper comparison. defaming is when you spread bulls*** without proof
I absolutely don't know why I am watching this on 3 am, given that I have zero idea about colors and professional displays but I thoroughly loved how patiently he destroyed all other wannabe reviewers with a poker face.
Same 😂😂😂
twitter.com/duggan_mathew/status/1216290777275469824?s=19
Lol 3am here... xD
Me too...I'm not going spend $6k on a mointor, and I'm not going spend $43k on a sony mointor.
It's 4 am here.....
Lol
This guy rekd Apple for over 12 minutes in the nicest way possible.
Using only experience and facts
@@XxamorOo Apple REKT by FACTS & EXPERIENCE 😂
Apple is wrecking itself it doesnt need reviewers to do it
Wrecked where? He brings for pro- and contra-arguments for the monitor continuously throughout the video...
Rect by 30 000 dollars display? YEA
meanwhile unbox theraphy:
"WOOOOOOOW THE BEST MONITOR EVER btw guys amazon link in description..."
😂😂😂😂
And if this video were to trend you'd see him make a video "I WAS WRONG" with his typical sad/dissapointed face on the thumbnail. Or a "Why I changed to Sony" those ones are always a regular encounter on his channel.
And yet that's more entertaining tbh
@@Superkirbehmaybe for braindead consumers
unbox is biggest shill on TH-cam...
Not easy to find a bag for your 12"... dvd player
kroks06 laughing at 2:00 AM thank you!
That feeling..I know it.
I was caught off guard.
@@downthecrop same here, didnt laugh for a yt vid this year so far... and i have seen a lot of the internet
This guy destroyed all TH-camrs “expert” opinion (California based “experts”) ! And I like how he do it: slow and painful!
Everybody gangsta until professional with equipment shows up.
Exactly!
Was thinking exactly the same, I bet Johnathan would have some bullshit to say about this which would be simply "but it's from Apple"
marques brownie 🤣 (comment not based on his appearance)
@@ross-carlson Jonathan will say it's good enough for the price 😴
As a broadcast engineer contracted to NBC Olympics since 2008, I have been using the 26 and 30” Sony OLED reference monitors for many years for quality control of incoming HD-SDI streams via undersea cable from the host country. We have many other displays at our disposal for various purposes involved with the job of monitoring finished programs pre-broadcast. The Sony image stands head and shoulders above all of them. Sitting typically 1-2’ away, the color accuracy is breathtaking, the picture seeming to come from somewhere behind and in front of the actual panel surface.
The difference to other 4K and above displays is not what you might expect. It is not a dramatic picture at all, but rather like looking through a crystal clear window at the actual scene being shot, but with perfect vision. No saturation hyping, no contrast exaggeration, just what is actually there, rendered visually perfect. I’m a music mixer by profession and vividly remember, many years later, hearing that ultra-rare perfection from Meyer 834 professional monitors. It’s a sound profile frozen in my mind by which all other speakers are compared. The Sony OLED reference monitor has set that same unforgettable standard for me visually.
what about Japanese reference monitors (sound), are there any that can compare let alone exceed what you've witnessed?
Cool, so you may had monitored streams (curling, sailing, surfing) I helped to produce.
Ronny Burkersroda Hi Ronny. Started in 8H, now in Stamford. Are you part of the At-home team?
Nuclear Armament I’m not aware of any Japanese manufacturer making studio reference monitors. And please note I’m not referring to so-called audiophile equipment. Accuracy is #1 in the professional market but way down the list in the marketing-driven audiophile business. In addition to JBL, Westlake, and Meyer, there are a number of small companies making systems for studios that I have been very impressed with but not sufficiently to drop the cost of a car on them.
@@artysanmobile I see, thanks for the response.
This guy is a real pro. Even uploaded this video in HDR.
I could not reduce the brightness of my phone when the video was playing... Wow...i have a oled screen btw
meanwhile I'm watching his videos on a broke-ass 1080p SDR TV
Update: I’ve since upgraded to the LG C1 OLED, couldn’t be happier with this purchase!
@@debajyotimajumder2656 if you have android then, try using youtube vanced rather than the standard youtube app. Vanced have an option to switch off the auto brightness for hdr videos 😁
@@Hkkwb Indeed, that is what I did when I downloaded the Vanced app. I want to adjust brightness myself, not an app doing it for me.
I came as an Apple fan ready for this guy to talk up the Pro Display. And I left completely satisfied with my opinion having changed entirely from an insanely professional and unbiased video. +1 sub based on this video alone.
Yeah... He made it so easy to SEE the difference
I came after watching Peter Paul Chato mention the Pro Display XDR getting destroyed in what must have been this review. It helped that it was recommended by the almighty algorithm, of course. Somehow, I always get some satisfaction out of seeing Apple's marketing debunked these days. It's probably because I quit the Mac many moons ago in favor of Linux and cheaper yet superior PC hardware. All that remains now is for reviewers to tear apart the silly price-to-performance ratio of the new Mac Pro, especially in light of the competition from AMD.
@@desther7975 "cheaper yet superior pc hardware" THIS. thank you for understanding.
There is hope for this one.
@@desther7975 check linus tech tips he destroyed the mac
Funny how real professional equipment almost never has the word "pro" on its 😉 designation.
A pro which has to say it's a pro is no true pro
Sammed Pandharkar r/im14andthisisdeep
@@thecompanioncube4211 preach bröther
@@thecompanioncube4211 a pro who goes to sleep with his asshole itching will wake up with a stinking finger
@@genau14zeichen RIP to all professors
Finally, the final word from someone in the target market.
Konka Bass it’s probably not their real target market. It’s probably more for people like tech TH-cam’s, media companies and other content creators who need quality displays and but aren’t going to spend $50,000. I’d be willing to bet they’re just trying to align their product with this level of equipment for marketing purposes
@@Premium-Content but you can buy lg c9 and it will be better than that 50000$ after calibration. Well, as it will be under 0.5 deltaE so immposible to tell.
I don’t think he makes the target market. He is someone who actually needs the Sony oled and like his peers in the industry actually can make use of the benefits that provides.
I think this is apples way to create a better cinema display but aimed at the indie or small creator studio ( people who cannot afford 100k+ systems and network renderers). It also helps for people in audio who need the resolution to see the whole project and all the instruments put without needing to sacrifice on the size/ need to scroll. It’s a halo product for the “pro-enthusiast” but not professionals or the enthusiasts or anyone else in general.
Amal Joe Abraham content creator is such a lousy term
Is he really the target market though? I think the target market is the prosumer that can stretch their wallet just enough to get this and convince themselves that they have a professional grade monitor and then not really need it in the first place.
Apple are absolutely genius at taking advantage of consumers and extracting as much money as possible. They are the apex anti-consumer predator.
All the so-called tech reviewers are destroyed.
BRUTAL SAVAGE REKT
No.
"so-called tech reviewers" are just flipping around their 1" portable DVD player.
@@Josmersuero yessssssssss... Whether u like it or not it's yes.
6:43 “So I would say the XDR reference mode is more suitable for content consumption than content creation.” That was brutal, holy crap.
Other youtubers : Apple is selling this product for professionals, don't cry about the price!
HDTVTest : This is office monitor material
But there's alot of us pros who create lower budget content; 40 vs 5 grand is still a slight difference.
Edit: there's a fuckton of pros who use apple monitors
@@narcis3720 and? it's still not fit for colorists. Remember that it's Cupertino's hubris that invite this comparison
@@narcis3720 😅😅
@@narcis3720 wouldn't a calibrated lg b9 be cheaper and better monitor?
@@sas3dxyup
the humor in this is low-key gangster
"let's say J. J. Abrams is looking over your shoulder and wants a bit more lense flare"
accurate
This is the exact review I wanted to see. No one else is doing any serious testing with this monitor. Massive thank you!
*Most unbiased apple review ever seen.*
One of the most detailed and comprehensive review of a product. This is what u called pro review. Legit in depth review
Apple: "Upgrade to the dust-proof version for $1000"
Vincent: *covers with bag.
Overengineering.
unless it won't collect dust while active or not, nobody should buy it
Samsung should manufacture, market and sell the world's ugliest monitor cover for the Pro Display XDR. Hopefully they can price it at 99 cents.
Pretty sure Apple would say "oh it's dusty? just buy a new one!"
Or offer a repair for $2,000.
As soon as the XDR display was announced I wanted to see this video. The contrast claims were definitely the most bold and I had to see whether or not they could meet them. They uh...certainly did not.
Yeah that piece of marketing is really dishonest. That's like those monitors back in the day which had "infinite to 1 contrast". Technically true, but only because you can turn the monitor off.. (in this case, turn local dimming zones off)
speedyink yeah I hate their marketing on this thing. From the stupid comparisons, to the absolutely atrocious stand. It’s all such crappy marketing.
But as a $5k display, it really does hold its own. If they simply toned it down, and said, “yeah this is a color accurate display, that has a lot of features for creative professionals.” It’s great for photography and editing, and could even work as a great low price option for budding film studios.
But they couldn’t just be humble and say what it really is. They had to go and compare it to the top dogs, and try to justify that unbelievable comparison.. smh
Grizabella the stand isn’t atrocious, it’s just expensive.
Grizabella Had Apple just sold the Monitor and the Stand together for $5 999 and not compare it to actual professional reference monitors, I bet most people would have had a much more positive opinion on the device. It’s because Apple treats its customers like they’re total idiots that makes a lot of people unhappy. Granted, most people are idiots when it comes to technology, but a different apporach would be appreciated. They could have said ”look, this is a great monitor. It’s not like the 50k dollar ones that studios use, but it’s not that far off for regular users. If you’re rich, want a great monitor for your office and happen to own a Mac computer, this is for you!”, but that wouldn’t make Apple a trillion dollar company would it?
OneDerscore One I meant more that the marketing of the display stand was atrocious. The stand itself is quite nice, my bad
the review I was waiting for a display that I was never going to buy...
Don Gonzalo pretty much this whole channel for me 😂 I bought an oled over Christmas and doubt I’ll be buying anything for the next few years. Doesn’t stop me from watching these videos.
i mean didnt we all watch this video just so we could shit talk apple fanboys on forums?
From the people who gave you the ground breaking 'retina' display.
(which is actually from LG, produced mostly by Samsung)
The funny thing is they probably used the Sony monitors when they made the commercials for their "professional grade" display
It's one of the best displays on a laptop so not as far fetched as the pro display.
Their better invention is the Liquid Retina display... nothing gets close to it... LOL
And the people who use Samsung Oled panels that are in every way worse to the ones used in modern Samsung Galaxy S phones
@@portedbikes "liquid retina" is literally just an IPS LCD screen and if by nothing comes close you mean it's *inferior* to almost everything else on the market once pixel density is taken into account then yes nothing comes close.
Apple display was promising until he got to the part where Apple really loves making their products useless without other Apple products.
The Windows software controls for non-Bootcamp Windows will eventually come from Appple or third parties. Regarding the ports Apple is forcing the future which is Thunderbolt 3+, not HDMI or DisplayPort for these kinds of applications.
Erotikstudio Winkler GmbH I don’t disagree with you at all. I was just stating how Apple goes about deprecating what they consider obsolete technology. Since coming out with Thunderbolt 1 in 2011 they have been actively deprecating DisplayPort, (with the mini DisplayPort which is the connector they used) in all their devices, accelerated by the fact that DisplayPort at the time did not support their 5 K Retina resolution...
@@dnovom No, Thunderbolt doesn't have enough bandwidth for 8K. When you plug apple monitor, You can only use those other thunderbolt ports at USB 2.0 speeds. because that display takes all the bandwidth. while display port 1.4 can easily stream 8k 60fps. and yes windows need that apple bootcamp app to control the monitor. if someone can port that app to normal windows, everything will be OK.. because you can fix that special thunderbolt timing apple uses, using a thunder ridge card. getting that bootcamp app onto normal windows is the key. otherwise you will need at least a $10000 new mac pro to use this monitor properly.
You certainly have a BIG PP after posting this, destroying Apple's marketing really politely and with facts-based arguments, you sir have my respect
RIP PEWDIEPIE.
"We need budget for a stand" I laughed so hard!
Thomas Thomaidis no you didn’t
5k no stand rofl
wiLL it is less than an eighth of the price of the comparison product.
@@fortris apple fanboy
If you have "local dimming zones", you can't call your display "pro"
Simon48 I find this dynamic backlight stuff so annoying. Even on cheap tvs it should be possible to turn it off, but often isn’t. I care more about consistency than absolute contrast numbers. My eyes can adjust to whatever brightness floor and ceiling you give me, but I’m always going to be startled by the backlight adjustments.
We can all can agree that Apple has massacred the term “PRO" with its marketing...
@@enneff I can't. Kinda missed my old CRT when I moved to LCD. Stopped noticing for a bit but then I got my first smartphone and it had an OLED panel. Bought a display with FALD and never looked back. It's not perfect but by far an improvement. But it's not a real mastering display if it doesn't have double layered LCDs anymore.
Having used a $40k+ Sony crt reference monitor and compared it side by side with their second gen OLED ref monitor, the crt looked like crap. Any light, not even direct, would ruin the contrast on the crt but unnoticeable on the OLED and its special surface treatment. And this was before HDR.
I love this video. Absolute takedown of people like Jon Morrison who film videos about an iPhone and suddenly think they are 'pro' users. This guy is a true professional and spoke about things I've heard no one else on youtube talk about - and I watch a lot of tech videos.
One of the few real reviews out there on TH-cam. Thank you. I'd appreciate if you could present a good alternative to it in its price range ($4k-6k).
replying to this, check out his review for LG 32EP950 if you haven't already. sounds to be the best alternative
A beautifully looking display for the offices of divorce lawyers that is 😊
I wasn't sure if he said divorce lawyer or "divorced lawyer" which also kind of makes sense :D
I've never wanted to "Join" a channel but your 12" joke made me seriously consider it. Thank you for always injecting some humor (with perfect timing may I say)into your technically dense reviews.
Ha! I'm not the only one - my thoughts exactly!
Who uses join instead of subscribe ?!!
@@aymanmahdi2010 Those are two different things, genius..
I have to agree with you in that one
@@aymanmahdi2010 Idiot
I had also assumed a dual layer LCD for this. That would have justified the price. What a rip off.
Also the "divorced lawyer" bit killed me.
divorce lawyer, not divorced lawyer
like, as in a scumbag who makes his money off unhappy people trying to split up their lives
interrobangings I wouldn’t judge a profession like that. They’re just lawyers who specialize on certain legal situations. Marriage is a significant legal contract so it requires specialists like any other thing. Do you call trauma surgeons scumbags because they make money by saving people’s lives for 300k a year? They should do it for free because it’s only very unhappy people that need those services, right?
@@mikidof yeah no nobody held you at gunpoint and forced you into that field. having met multiple divorce lawyers, i can say without a doubt they're all scum
@@interrobangings I mean, not only they are _lawyers_, they are _divorce lawyers_. Worse than that there's just those working against the 3yo in cages
You know what?
It's 2020, seeing a real professional youtuber sharing his professional jobs is a great honor to be live with.
Respect, sir.
9:43 funniest thing on youtube this week
Love me some 12 inch DVD!
9:43 VINCENT KILLED ME!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That was so fucking unexpected 😂
100% serious and suddenly this cut scene
😂😂😂😂😂😂
I wish there were more videos like this that are dense with real information instead of opinions of someone with a vague link to the field.
Welcome to the internet. You have to choose and cultivate your information sources….
Vincent, this was really good.
Hats off to someone with real expertise in the field who conducted an unbiased review of what seems to be a not so "Pro" product.
Finally a proper review of this monitor. OLED FTW
This is an EPIC comparison!
Thanks for this eye opening video.
The jokes he makes in his videos are always hilarious and one of the many things i like about him.
Finally the video we've been waiting for HDTVTest to review Apple Display
His testing equipment cost more than the "pro" display.
More than the "pro" display, with "nano-whatever" glass, and a stand. More than multiple of said combination...
That's how you know he doesn't fit apple's target audience lol
and that's the difference between "tech reviewers" and he.
And MKBHD so: It‘s a great display.
@@yoriiroy1720 ... Steve Jobs was a man of hyperbole. His tradition lives on in Apple Marketing.
It's great for making TH-cam content, not for making Hollywood movies. But the the price is too high for many TH-camrs though I guess.
the bright scenes did look awesome tho, but the black scenes... the blooming was insane.
Christian Heudens wym, its just 1 RAID SHADOW LEGENDS sponsorship
Sid Kusanagi well, at least apple’s display is a lot cheaper if it aims at pro market.
Man, you've just gained yourself a sub for life. Thank you for listening to your viewers. I really appreciate it. I've requested this video on your last video and here you are. Now, watch out for apple. They're gonna be coming for you. Lol
Edit: this video needs to go viral. Share it everywhere you can.
Maybe Apple can 'convince' those who never saw a footage on proper reference screen, but I can bet that no one who saw it at least once believed Apple's marketing hype.
That was seriously a professional review; unlike all of the others that I have seen.
Just noticed my Samsung Galaxy switched to HDR while playing this video. WOW! First time watching a TH-cam review in HDR.
Great video, man! I worked with TV broadcast for 7 years and one recurring internal “joke/comment” was that no one beats Sony on truly professional gear, period.
I’m sure there is a market for the Apple display BUT, if you’re really doing professional work, there’s just no way around true professional gear. ;)
Keep up the awesome work!
Why hasn’t Vincent got his own “Top Gear” style TV show?
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His presentation is a little dull, but it doesn't matter since it's very professionally written. He could very easily branch out into general tech reviews.
Thanks for another sublime video Vincent. You are a true master of infotainment and no bullshit reviews.
Looks like it does a decent job in most areas, but with only 576 LEDs it was never going to be up to par with emissive pixels like OLED or even dual layer LCDs. Hope they keep updating this on a yearly cadence and adding more LEDs each refresh, until we star to near MicroLED territory.
For now though, it largely looks like Apples marketing was overzealous in comparing it to 30K+ reference displays. It's good for the price, but not up there. Which makes it in a bit of a strange spot where it's too much for the vast majority of customers, while being too little for many professional studios. It seems like the ultimate TH-cam content creator display.
Because it is. You see all these Tech TH-camrs gushing over the monitor because of their base level comparison and extremely limited time (if any) working with reference grade monitors. But damn this Apple monitor is pretty slick and that's what gets views
The Asus version has over 1,000
Not only it's good enough for them, it is also hot topic, so they can make content by reviewing the monitor. Kill two birds with one stone. As for the Sony monitor, it's overkill for what they are doing, and the price is too much for them.
tipoomaster it really is in an odd spot. I among other things, do architectural rendering, and material design for games. So color accuracy is always something that’s been important for me, and having that 1600nits peak brightness is nice for making some truly stunning renders. Keeping an eye on sky brightness and how it plays within the scene being incredibly important at times.
But outside of weird use cases, where like me, someone doesn’t need a reference monitor, but could use the brightness/contrast, paired with amazing calibration, aaaand they have the budget for a $5k display. I don’t see many people buying it. Maybe a lot of indie film studios and or game studios will grab it. Cause it’s in a very odd price bracket.
It doesn't even do decent job on its price range.
I love that he used a different stand.
How did TH-cam not recommend this channel with this legend to me before??
Wait this is in HDR. Awesome. Also hope you're good
First time viewer, he reminded me of the LockPickingLawyer in the way he slowly and savagely tears down the BS created by marketing around poorly and very overpriced made products. Thank you for keeping them honest, I suppose I will not be playing Minecraft on that monitor lol
Vincent is one Savage TV reviewer and professional Calibrator. You know he could add salt to injury at the end if he said "hit that like button and if you are an apple fan hit the dislike button" I would have really enjoyed that hahaha
This is gold... have to make this guy viral for sure! The review that we deserve form true professionals!
i have never trusted someone as much as i trust this man
This has to be one of his best videos ever just for that amazing skit 😂
Just an IPS with local dimming and all the problems that come with it. What’s the big deal that everyone is talking about this monitor?
@@rhtr. Baa baa is your native language I see.
Underwhelming restricted tech as usual from them... The Pro in the name makes me laugh though.
It's short for Prostitute not Professional!
@@brettus9115 Isn't that how Apple rolls?
@@brettus9115 imo, Pro is short for Propaganda
bunch of fanboy and review on youtube want view since is a apple product is always get recomended by youtube and get shet tons of view just like when apple release anything all review cover it over 10 times and click bait tittle to gain view theres asus monitor with better led tech for less price than apple display lol
It's fun to watch reviews like this on a Sony OLED. The starfield was very black on the Sony, whereas the Apple was grey. I wonder how this looked in person vs what I see on my end.
In any event, you can only push a technology so far before you run into the limitations like a brick wall.
9:46 Shot out to Vinny for saving Vincent skin there
iJustine would cry and scream at him, while she is trying to watch the comparison video. 😂
why?
@@TheJosephStalin420 Because she like everything form apple and think it is a "pro"
@@michaeltualatin Because she likes everything from apple and think it is a "pro brand" *
@@rosyfeather468 Because she likes everything from apple*
Din't understand anything after first watching. Then I saw his review of the sony monitor... THIS is a freaking brilliant.
9:34. Hahahahahaha. Loved his sense of humour.
very detailed review and comparison. totally unbiased and science based review. love your calm demeanor and sense of humor, never laughed so hard on a tech review video. subscribed.
I like how this video is in HDR
Apple's marketing is always so vague. Their graphs are incomprehensible. Great review. Thanks for explaining the differences to a lay person.
I watched the entire video and understood about 10%, but I loved what he was saying and the way he said it. Good stuff.
This guy has best sense of humor!
Oh, you don't own a 12" DVD player? I mean they've been around since 1978 and were for the most time called Laserdisc players.
He has 12" BD player instead
LCD vs DL LCD, simply no contest 7:54
Well done Vincent.. to the point with valid competent testing result showing advantages and negatives.
Love it. But ohh man the number of TH-camrs that just swallow everything that Apple claimed ..
Btw it seems it is an LG IPS LCD panel that Apple pro display are using
This is one of the most satisfying videos I’ve ever seen.
I don't even need this kind of information, but this video is made so professionally that I subscribed
I must say I'm a bit surprised. Reading the specs at first I assumed it was a panel made by Panasonic since they already offer a dual layer IPS panel with a similar 1000000:1 contrast ratio. Later being told the Apple panel was made by LG still assumed a similar technology. But it being a normal be it very good IPS panel with a basic system for local dimming explains why they are able to keep the price lower than expected. It's no more than a $2000 monitor made with fancy materials and sold for three times the price.
I'm yet to watch this video and i'm the most excited person ever. thank you for this review.
And as I foresaw you did a steller job. thank you.
Excellent review
I despise the TH-camrs without proper knowledge calling it the best display monitor
Looks like apple logo has blinded them
If its for consumers they are probably right. For professional colorists….NO
@@dnovom even for consumers you wouldn't want a $5000 monitor
@@kishores7034 I don't think the talk was about price here. but if it was the best monitor for the consumer space...
Not all heroes wear capes!!! Vincent was outright savage with this one, love it!!!
😂😂 Consistently better comedic timing than many "pro" comedians. Not in the market for either of the displays but still watched the whole video, another well-done video.
You earned a sub for your humor... Oh, and for your expertise too.. 😄
Speaking of calibration... you're doing something with that display in post-production at 0:32 because your hand goes from pink to yellow & back as it moves from in front of the display. Initially I thought your hand was prosthetic, until I slowed it down frame-by-frame and you can clearly see the change as you cross the edge of the screen.
I noticed the same thing. Pretty weird. I'd like to see his response.
He applied a mask to his video for aesthetic appeal. Possibly to enhance his skin tone etc. He must have added a cut out of that mask around the display so it remains accurate. When his hand leaves the mask it loses the layer adjustment.
The man, the machine.
Halb Wesen, Halb Ding
One of the best reviews I have ever watched.
Not all heroes wear capes. Thank you for this review. I was on the fence whether to buy this monitor or not. So basically apple is selling a regular old IPS monitor with full array local dimming and calling it a reference monitor. Jeeez how low can the marketing sink? I will get an OLED with HDMI 2.1 :)
I was noticing your hand losing hue when it went over the screen . Any reason for that in particular?
Most likely a mask was applied in post to change the skin tones and that mask could not be over the screen because it would affect the colors of the screen whenever skintone-alike colors would appear on the display, therefore the hand changes color at the edge of the screen. (They were to lazy to track the hand or they simply did not notice it)
..or a grading mask was put over the screen and this mask applies to the hand when it's overlaying the screen.
Carl Jirestedt ah do you mean to say to keep the colors on the rest of the image constant ?
The thing was that I am not a pixel peeper by any measure but every time that hand showed up over the screen something just felt off. It wasn’t until later I realized the hand was the one melting my brain.
@@dhruvemital Yes, you make a mask and shape it like the screen and within that mask you apply changes/colorgrade.
Wonderfully done review. I like how you were honest with what you'd like and why you wouldn't recommend it
This is the legendary video that made me discover HDTVTest and Vincent Teoh, glorious.
I love the dry humour and depth of the review. Thanks.
Not every hero wears a cape :-D
@9:42 Vincent man lmao you have to stop I almost died from laughter lmao
I wasnt expecting to laugh in this video, and that made it way funnier.
Thank you for an honest review backed up by FACTS. It’s so tiring watching tech reviewers gush over an item for 10 minutes with little to no evidence of anything.
A review from a real professional
Man I know nearly nothing about the subject matter but that was fascinating. I feel like I learned a lot.
All you need to know is
White is white. Not Grey
Black is Black. Not Grey
Still looking good if you watch it from different angels
Thanks for the review. I work a lot with Sony reference monitors (X300 mostly) as well as some of the Eizo ColorEdge monitors (not great) and the Dolby PRM and it just seems crazy that apple could think they would compare favourably against these screens. It really makes them look like a bit of a joke when they knowingly try to mislead people with false claims. I mean, they must have access to the best calibration equipment so they must have figured out, the same way you did, that the performance wasn't there. Apple really is just about style over substance these days, there's only so long you can keep making grand claims that aren't true before people figure it out.
Strong technical review mate!
Finally someone who get both monitor do a comparison. I dont understand why so many people believe Apple just made Reference monitor that is as good as Sony BVM and sold at them at 1/8 price. Apple is known for charging extra for all their products they wont sell product it that low. If it is half price then it might more believable.
This was an outstanding professional analysis of this display. I rate this review: 12 inches.
So it's just another typical Apple product. Pretty on the outside and shallow in the inside.
Because its designed for people pretty on the outside and shallow in the inside..
@@batuhancokmar7330 this is designed for rich youtubers😂
They don't understand what imax grade videography require..
They are happy with their final cut and 8k red camera footage 😂
saini 2g tbh, an 8k red camera is already overkill for a TH-cam video.
@@AnonymousUser77254 ofc it's overkill.. most of their audience watch it in 480p
@Peter Minsk we have 1gbps network in broadband..but most of us use cellular network which is way cheaper and is about 60to 100mbps..