The French have always had a few authors who were a bit 'out there' - Michel Houellebecq is one; Jean Raspail is another. Yet further back, in the 1930s, there was Celine (Louis-Ferdinand Destouches).
@@DarkAngelEU Celine had a significant influence on writers in a similar vein. Charles Bukowski cited him as an influence, as well as, I believe, John Fante.
This is awesome. We need people like Klavan and Shapiro giving reviews of books like this. Given the slew of self-publishing these days and the crap that passes for art, it would be great to see guidance from those who have seen a lot of good writing and a lot of bad writing giving more reviews of books like this in the future. Maybe get the publisher to give your listeners a promo code? Would also be cool if Klavan and the rest of the team would give advice to aspiring authors and public intellectuals as well. Great review going to check out the book.
That's why it's such a good name: you can make multiple nicknames out of it, tell half your friends one nickname, the other half the other nickname, and only use your full name at work, then confuse the heck out of everyone if any of the groups mix or mingle!
I like Homeland, but probably preferred its first two seasons. And I think it was Showtime that produced Sleeper Cell, a gruesome look into the hidden machinations of this corrosive cult. I binge watched it on Netflix, but I highly recommend it, even if there's a nominal fee for watching this. The language is raw, but the subject matter is raw. Islam is one of those things that go bump in the night.
This is the most frustrating mom review I have ever listened to. He does not review the book, he gives a very short summary of the plot then raved on about unrelated subjects the rest of the time. Hey, saying you like it and it is good is NOT A REVIEW. Give me a break. What a waste of time and space.
To be fair to superhero movies, Andrew, they DO convey the actual villains in our world--by analogy. By parable. As you yourself pointed out, in your Wall Street Journal article about The Dark Knight.
Also to be fair, Marvel & DC have both failed more often than not to deliver the most interesting (and meaningful) versions of their villains. The heroes are also almost never challenged on a deeper moral level than "Find bad guy, Punch bad guy," other than notable exceptions like Captain America: Civil War or The Dark Knight. They are still important and valuable in their presentation of a moral universe and the values of courage and responsibility but their shortcomings also need to be acknowledged so that they can be corrected. Thank You for Reading.
Read his others Atomised possibility of an Island/ whatever / Platform, but not the last two, Map and the territory / submission. Was stunned when I saw the film version of Whatever. He's feared by the arsehole Parisian elite , on the Stalinist gulag Le Grande Library he's never even been mentioned ,Mates with Iggy pop, who described, POAI , as the best book he'd read in 10years , wrote a study of HP Lovecraft with an intro by Steven King , Punch ups in TV studio's in the 90s , cover of Charlie Hebdo the week they got Halal slaughtered for no Submission ect ect ect, best novelist of our period , diametrically opposed to fifty shades of Hypergamy filth for the untermenschXx chromosome , The Western male tragedy decline end personified, Unwin's Hypergamy declinism , there's nothing for the white man to fight for only hate.Thats why I didn't read the last two , funny thing the main character in Submission , an asshole academic, ( thinly disguised mouth piece for the author) is an expert on JK Husymans the French decadent Catholic mystical novelist , feel your inferiority. Martin Amis is a talentless bore in comparison to M H. Most white men's lives are far worse than anything in Houellebecq's work . MGTOW ? Go fucking where ? There is nowhere to go , this gulag wants your scalp.Even Robbin Williams killed himself, bankrupted by 30 million Alimony. RIP.
It was not interesting to hear some advertisement for the first four minutes. I see the link to Submission, but I am here for Houellebecq his story, language and characters...
The reason the so-called 'art' you mention is weak is not due to left-wing liberals in Hollywood but because Hollywood is dominated by corporate greed, hence a right-wing philosophy of economics that produces the same old crap. Why not look at real art, such as new punk rock bands, such as artists and writers (other than Houellebecq)? Or if you want to talk movies, why not look at some of the Iranian cinema that's coming out with great stuff at the mo? And are you watching the movies of the Turkish director who won Cannes twice? Are you following Godard, who remains as punk as ever? Do you even realise that the so-called 'left-wing' superhero movies are mostly essentially right-wing at heart? Do you realise that although the Stalin-like figure of Thanos 'wins' at the end of Infinity War, it's clear that the movie's message is that it's bad to want to be so communistic, and there's a reason Thanos is the bad guy (even though he is also the most interesting character in the movie). What I'm saying is something seems left-wing on the surface but is actually right-wing at heart. And the interesting thing about Houellebecq is that he's definitely reactionary but there's an element of punk to his works, so that at times he's a lefty despite himself. Which may also explain why his book got published and yours didn't, since it's never quite pure propaganda, unlike what you keep putting out.
It should have turned you into a Catholic (the real target of the author). It's not a book about Islam... The book uses an islamic government as a bait to convince the readership of the lunacy of post-68 sexual morality. This was what enabled the muslim to procreate at a faster rate than the general population. By the way, the main character is not a "reactionary" or "patriarchical" figure... He's a byproduct of sexual liberation. More importantly, the very fact that he is a Huysmans scholar clearly shows that the debacle of the French catholicity is the primary source of the aforementioned outcomes (both the 68 revolution and the Islamic takeover). Huysmans was THE WRITER of French Catholic debacle (and Houellebecq is a Church-attending Catholic obsessed with this theme).
@@drrizvi476 Well, when someone attends Sunday Masses in the Traditional form, what's the name you have for him? Plus, the fact that he was actually baptised and recieved communion says that he a Catholic. I'm not saying he's the best Catholic in the world though: I'm just recognizing his Catholicity. There's no strong evidence to the contrary.
Take my advice: The book is not about Islam... The book uses an Islamic Government as a bait to convince the readership of the lunacy of post-68 sexual morality which enabled the muslim to immigrate into France and procreate at a faster rate than the general population. Why is it so difficult to see it? Plus, and more importantly, the very fact that the professor in the book is a Huysmans scholar clearly shows that the debacle of the French catholicity is the primary source of the aforementioned outcomes (both the 68 revolution and the Islamic takeover). Huysmans was THE WRITER of French Catholic debacle (and Houellebecq is a Church-attending Catholic obsessed with this theme).
The best line in the book, after his Jewish girlfriend leaves France for Israel: "There is no Israel for me"
Also it's pronounced Well-beck!
I agree
I am French and well-beck is a perfect pronunciation.
Im am Dutch and well-beck is corect
I read this a few months ago and it's horrifying how accurate it is, I was getting chills
How did you find the ending?
@@bastionofthefaith92everyone ignores the ending
The French have always had a few authors who were a bit 'out there' - Michel Houellebecq is one; Jean Raspail is another. Yet further back, in the 1930s, there was Celine (Louis-Ferdinand Destouches).
Eddie Willers Celine's Voyage au bout de la nuit is a must-read btw! As well as Mort à crédit.
Why are people so crazy about Celine? Genuine question, I see his name flying around everywhere.
@@DarkAngelEU Celine had a significant influence on writers in a similar vein. Charles Bukowski cited him as an influence, as well as, I believe, John Fante.
This is awesome. We need people like Klavan and Shapiro giving reviews of books like this. Given the slew of self-publishing these days and the crap that passes for art, it would be great to see guidance from those who have seen a lot of good writing and a lot of bad writing giving more reviews of books like this in the future. Maybe get the publisher to give your listeners a promo code? Would also be cool if Klavan and the rest of the team would give advice to aspiring authors and public intellectuals as well. Great review going to check out the book.
Loved this book. So glad to see a review!!
The book is a stunning and final refutation of western secular liberalism. The ending is a happy one, from the protagonists view.
Im reading D'neshs new book The Big Lie, but I will get this book next. It sounds like a hell of a read. Thank you for the info.
Who’s this Drew?
That's why it's such a good name: you can make multiple nicknames out of it, tell half your friends one nickname, the other half the other nickname, and only use your full name at work, then confuse the heck out of everyone if any of the groups mix or mingle!
+VueiyVisarelli I've never heard him go by "Andy" though. Maybe it's because he associates it with "Raggedy Andy?"
(An)Drew Klavan?
It's an eerie read. BTW, it's "well-beck".
the pronunciation of his name is far less complicated than its spelling would have you think (WELL-beck) :)
Loved your book review, Andrew. Hope you recommend more interesting books.
It's happening now 🙄.
It's July 2023 and France is burning 😑.
Imo, the only recent cultural product that shows the villains in a non-light way is the TV show Homeland.
I like Homeland, but probably preferred its first two seasons. And I think it was Showtime that produced Sleeper Cell, a gruesome look into the hidden machinations of this corrosive cult. I binge watched it on Netflix, but I highly recommend it, even if there's a nominal fee for watching this. The language is raw, but the subject matter is raw. Islam is one of those things that go bump in the night.
Who are you?? Your name isn´t anywhere...good recommendation thou...
This is the most frustrating mom review I have ever listened to. He does not review the book, he gives a very short summary of the plot then raved on about unrelated subjects the rest of the time. Hey, saying you like it and it is good is NOT A REVIEW. Give me a break. What a waste of time and space.
Non review
To be fair to superhero movies, Andrew, they DO convey the actual villains in our world--by analogy. By parable. As you yourself pointed out, in your Wall Street Journal article about The Dark Knight.
Also to be fair, Marvel & DC have both failed more often than not to deliver the most interesting (and meaningful) versions of their villains. The heroes are also almost never challenged on a deeper moral level than "Find bad guy, Punch bad guy," other than notable exceptions like Captain America: Civil War or The Dark Knight. They are still important and valuable in their presentation of a moral universe and the values of courage and responsibility but their shortcomings also need to be acknowledged so that they can be corrected.
Thank You for Reading.
Great new segment!
They probably didn’t publish his book in france cuz it sucks
Can't buy audio book. Not on audible.
Read his others Atomised possibility of an Island/ whatever / Platform, but not the last two, Map and the territory / submission. Was stunned when I saw the film version of Whatever. He's feared by the arsehole Parisian elite , on the Stalinist gulag Le Grande Library he's never even been mentioned ,Mates with Iggy pop, who described, POAI , as the best book he'd read in 10years , wrote a study of HP Lovecraft with an intro by Steven King , Punch ups in TV studio's in the 90s , cover of Charlie Hebdo the week they got Halal slaughtered for no Submission ect ect ect, best novelist of our period , diametrically opposed to fifty shades of Hypergamy filth for the untermenschXx chromosome , The Western male tragedy decline end personified, Unwin's Hypergamy declinism , there's nothing for the white man to fight for only hate.Thats why I didn't read the last two , funny thing the main character in Submission , an asshole academic, ( thinly disguised mouth piece for the author) is an expert on JK Husymans the French decadent Catholic mystical novelist , feel your inferiority. Martin Amis is a talentless bore in comparison to M H. Most white men's lives are far worse than anything in Houellebecq's work . MGTOW ? Go fucking where ? There is nowhere to go , this gulag wants your scalp.Even Robbin Williams killed himself, bankrupted by 30 million Alimony. RIP.
It was not interesting to hear some advertisement for the first four minutes. I see the link to Submission, but I am here for Houellebecq his story, language and characters...
Just started it, thanks Drew!
He didn't say much about the book.
Completely ignoring the end of the book
Of course there are some moderates in Iran. Open your mind.
Alhamdulillah !
The reason the so-called 'art' you mention is weak is not due to left-wing liberals in Hollywood but because Hollywood is dominated by corporate greed, hence a right-wing philosophy of economics that produces the same old crap.
Why not look at real art, such as new punk rock bands, such as artists and writers (other than Houellebecq)? Or if you want to talk movies, why not look at some of the Iranian cinema that's coming out with great stuff at the mo? And are you watching the movies of the Turkish director who won Cannes twice? Are you following Godard, who remains as punk as ever?
Do you even realise that the so-called 'left-wing' superhero movies are mostly essentially right-wing at heart? Do you realise that although the Stalin-like figure of Thanos 'wins' at the end of Infinity War, it's clear that the movie's message is that it's bad to want to be so communistic, and there's a reason Thanos is the bad guy (even though he is also the most interesting character in the movie).
What I'm saying is something seems left-wing on the surface but is actually right-wing at heart. And the interesting thing about Houellebecq is that he's definitely reactionary but there's an element of punk to his works, so that at times he's a lefty despite himself. Which may also explain why his book got published and yours didn't, since it's never quite pure propaganda, unlike what you keep putting out.
this is poetry
Market capitalism? So basically what comes from the ordoliberal model? Nice try attempting to pin it on the right lol
Read it.
Is this supposed to be a review? Give me a break.
I read this book - it almost turned me into a feminist!
It should have turned you into a Catholic (the real target of the author). It's not a book about Islam... The book uses an islamic government as a bait to convince the readership of the lunacy of post-68 sexual morality. This was what enabled the muslim to procreate at a faster rate than the general population. By the way, the main character is not a "reactionary" or "patriarchical" figure... He's a byproduct of sexual liberation. More importantly, the very fact that he is a Huysmans scholar clearly shows that the debacle of the French catholicity is the primary source of the aforementioned outcomes (both the 68 revolution and the Islamic takeover). Huysmans was THE WRITER of French Catholic debacle (and Houellebecq is a Church-attending Catholic obsessed with this theme).
@@joaov.m.oliveira9903 houellebecq is not a Catholic but rather an agnostic
@@drrizvi476 Well, when someone attends Sunday Masses in the Traditional form, what's the name you have for him? Plus, the fact that he was actually baptised and recieved communion says that he a Catholic. I'm not saying he's the best Catholic in the world though: I'm just recognizing his Catholicity. There's no strong evidence to the contrary.
So is Messer Grey ever gunna find true happiness or not?
On pg 100 now...good so far
I learnt absolutely zero from watching this man. What was the point?
Take my advice:
The book is not about Islam... The book uses an Islamic Government as a bait to convince the readership of the lunacy of post-68 sexual morality which enabled the muslim to immigrate into France and procreate at a faster rate than the general population.
Why is it so difficult to see it?
Plus, and more importantly, the very fact that the professor in the book is a Huysmans scholar clearly shows that the debacle of the French catholicity is the primary source of the aforementioned outcomes (both the 68 revolution and the Islamic takeover). Huysmans was THE WRITER of French Catholic debacle (and Houellebecq is a Church-attending Catholic obsessed with this theme).
Just bla bla bla, islam is bad bla bla bla, left liberals are hippie winkies bla bla bla
Islam didn't seem so bad in the novel, better than Christianity
Tell that to women forced to wear hijabs or bee-keeper suits.