His talkshows are a bit less slick but really good. Keria talks lec woth him all the time and thorn rich and fox drop have a show together. He obviously pulls great guests too
Im so glad i found my way to these 3 guys. People who actually seek out the truth regardless of threats or risk of harming their own reputation more and potentially damaging their own income through lack of communication with orgs/players and having content they make blacklisted by reddit or orgs putting outside pressure on people. You care more about the subjects you talk about than any sort of consequence, and that is a special fucking thing indeed
Outside of Ls reading Richard's article on stream and Dom retweeting a link to the article it has been quite silent about the Danny topic in the lol scene. You would almost think it never happened and Thorin just endorsed that Freeze Pipe sponsorship a bit too much one evening.
Because the majority of the original information came out through Danny's sister, by definition a biased source. Most people in the industry have to be extremely careful about how they deal with conflicting information, whereas these guys can just shoot from the hip because they burned all the bridges they could possibly burn already aside from Monte who coasts on an insane level of goodwill. As more and more is corroborated more people will come out with their own statements. This always happens don't let these three fool you into thinking no one ever talks about these things aside from them, they just do it first because their entire brand is getting there first.
Both LS and Dom have publicly expressed their opinions that the players health doesn't matter if you want to be the best. Most recently in the context of saying NA players should work harder like peak korean starcraft days. Funny how these opinions change when presented with a specific example, especially one they like.
@@Obzerver "Being the best is not a healthy endeavor". I know what you are referring to and they were talking about players own personal discipline when it came to practice. I don't even know how you can compare that to an esports organization abusing their power and mistreating players. Two totally different things.
@@marcrush55 Its literally the same thing, just a difference of who's idea it is to play in an unhealthy way. On one hand player should wants to fuck themselves up trying to be the best. On the other orgs should be held to extreme responsibility if a player ends up unhealthy. I just don't understand what people wanted to have happen. Every fan seems to say they wanted Danny to keep playing and to see him win. That's clearly what EG wanted too (it's literally the whole controversy, if EG didn't try to keep him playing then no one would be mad at them). Do people really think that by playing less, not scrimming, having more time to fly home to with family, and generally doing less work - then EG would have won summer? If so that's completely contradictory to LS/Dom's point about how to be the best and that's what I was trying to call out.
I once asked on the subreddit why some articles were allowed up without disclosing sources, a mod responded with 'articles from publications with an editor aren't required to disclose sources' - right mate
It's psychological manipulation. The only place that it could even remotely apply is a small family run shop. And even some of those places use this tactic on their OWN actual family.
its sad cause people actually want him to succeed but he holds himself back because he doesn’t know how to deal with the pressure. he really could be one of the best and had such a long career ahead of him. hopefully he figures it out
Great discussion as always guys. Absolutely insane that you are more or less the only people covering this... Richards warning of the inevtible suicides occuring with the state these leagues are run is hard to hear but a message that definitely needs to be heard. Very interested to see if anything comes of this debarcle
I thought this episode would come sooner or later. I hope Danny is vindicated. I'm curious if we're gonna get any more new info (that wasn't explored in Richard's article or Thorin's video essay.
Given that there appears to be a lot of NDA nonsense around the situation, I doubt it, though I hope we get more information. Danny deserves a bit of justice in this situation.
I think the rule bending that went on should have been that they suspended Danny from competition for 3 months instead of allowed a sub. That way EG doesn't get to bend the rules, but not letting them have the sub doesn't force Danny to keep playing under duress.
Thinking about Autism and mental health issues the first thing i get nervous about is Autistic Burnout. This can lead to thoughts of suicide and can be a serious issue if not given proper care. I hope Danny is doing okay and hope that people in the esports space would gain a small education on Autism.
Great pod. its crazy how travis gafford has not said a single word about the stuff going on with EG despite seemingly covering almost all things LCS related. but instead its radio silence...
This one video exposes and explains such gross activities in esports. I will recommend this vid to most of my close friends who follow esports. Thanks for this, all of you who put this together for us viewers. Cheers.
Teams should be required to have a sub available for every position. It's 2023 and most (if not all) teams have academies now, they should have no problems with this.
So just to confirm, some hack plagiarized Richard’s content and posted it to the LoL subreddit. Anybody pointing out that it’s plagiarized is getting permanently banned. It’s currently on the front page.
I've tried to post this video in the league subreddit and the mods have taken it down everytime. Looks like they don't want any more traction on this story.
So thorins comment about “certain players were cynical about it and were applying pressure” would have been inspired. Not only is he known as being ridiculously blunt and upfront. He also publicly say in interviews talking about how EGs weaknesses were botlane because Danny couldn’t play the meta champs. He was known on Rogue to completely flame the absolute crap out of Trymbi to the point where he was borderline in tears. The moment he left - Rogue became an infinitely healthier environment. He is also as slyly spoken about by Larssen without confirming it, a very demanding player who actively would demand the players and team played his way (spoke in an interview about inspired and said “Yeah I’m glad he has gone to NA and the team is playing the way he wants and it’s working well for them”.
I used to be an EG fan, they always were underdogs in cod and with low resources they won world champs in one of the best stories in console esports. When Peak6 came in, they let PPD go and treated Towey the team manager that kept them together, like rubbish.
How do you possibly justify that? What about the current LCS roster? By all accounts they didn't do anything wrong, Ssumday and FBI weren't even on the team. It's possible if enough evidence comes out to implicate the CEO, head of performance and GM, since those are the people with the crosshairs of the community on their back, that Riot could force an Echo Fox ultimatum but outright stripping them of their spot is a ludicrous reaction.
@@Warpenguin55I need to know something before I respond, when you say stripping them of their spot do you mean with immediate effect or between splits or even during the offseason?
Reporting to management… who then said they would deal with it but never did. Most coaches in LoL have no power - if he had chose to bench Danny, his career would be done.
1:02:22 The amount of EGO it takes to straight up take up the position of CEO is a multi (ten x) million dollar industry in your 20s is insane...it's so obvious she did this not for the love of the industry or "because if I don't no one else can" she just wanted to pretend-play CEO as if it's just some marketing gig
I‘m sorry but as a consumer the player‘s lives are NOT my responsibility. Even just insinuating that is disgusting to anyone who‘s dealt with suicide before either personally or within their family. It‘s on the orgs and most IMPORTANTLY on Riot Games! Not on the people who watch the game
Yeah, it's on the players, teams, and riot. As a spontanious spectator, I have no problem boycotting, but for me to accept responsibility on any level for some corporations mal-practice is extremely delusional.
Frankly, the entire esports scene needs to grow up. No more gaming houses. No more paying food and rent for children. Go back to employment at will, we can fire you at any point in time, you can quit at any point in time. Put in performance bonuses and incentive comp to encourage players to complete the season if you're worried about them quitting. Use structured bonuses or scaling payouts for multi-year arrangements. Every big company in the world does this with their executives, and manager/ director level employees. When the league minimum is 400K+ per year, then they can have this "we own you" attitude. Not at 65K per year. It's a job, you show up, you work, you go home. If you don't perform, you're fired. If you perform well, you get paid more. And to be fair to the company, why are they in a position to be responsible for a player's mental health to begin with? Who would agree to that? Danny? His parents? Of course they have an incentive to get as much value as possible out of him? Why are they contracting a player for stressful job, where it won't be possible to provide him reasonable accommodations to reduce his stress if he's easily triggered by stress? The responsible thing to do would be to say, "This is a public facing, highly stressful, highly competitive position, and it would be inappropriate to put you in this role. The nature of the role doesn't allow us, the league, or the broader media and competitive landscape to create a low stress environment for you."
Not really… most players in LoL are beyond obsessive and only live and breathe the game they are in. They are socially completely inept. A lot of these guys are on the spectrum - Players like Faker as an example is on the spectrum… anyone who watches him and understands autism can tell that he is. The man lives and dies LoL.
@@PeoplePleaser578 That's not completely true anything that is higher up competitive in any sport you have to be obsessive with the game to make it to the top, it's not something you can just pick up and drop you have to eat, live and breathe said sport. With Faker unless you know him personally you can't really say if he is on the spectrum or not you watch the greats in any sports and it's crazy the things they would to be the best at anything they do.
only watched so far yet but personally it would not necessarily be a problem if EG helped writing the tweet or promised to help and then they had to rush it because of Thorins tweet as long as he asked for it maybe exactly because he doesn't normally write like that. Also the content creator contract could be an actual attempt from EG to help the player as promised even without them only thinking about possible punishments but I am sure when we go more into the details throughout the episode it will unfortunately show that it wasn't :D
Nah you're actually right but these people don't actually care about Danny lol. They assume he's some sort of idiot who in-between him and his family is incapable of making decisions in the best interest of Danny. In reality Danny LET EG do a PR tweet because he's getting paid and that's a fucking good thing he's getting paid to do literally nothing by EG and doesn't want to fuck that up but yet all these people are trying to make it impossible for him to have any healthy attempt at a relationship with the only org he can possibly be contracted too. Because of all this bad press no other org will touch him so its in his best interest to stick with EG.
@@evanblaylock2750I think you're having a skewed perspective here. It's not that people don't care about Danny... It's that EG needs to be held accountable because the situation in which Danny finds himself (no other org wants him, etc.) is because of EG's actions / inactions to a significant degree.
@@evanblaylock2750 you mean the org who by their behaviour got him into this position in the first place that no other org wants him as well as possibly supporting the spiral down in terms of mental health by putting even more pressure/force on him instead of giving him more space when he first raised concerns? It's correct to critically ask questions and report on bad organizational behaviour even if it doesn't help Danny anymore. I think that point was well communicated in this episode
@@6666Imperator the thing is we're using black and white paint for a situation that is realistically grey he has 3 teammates who EG retained is EG forcing them all to stay, no they thought given everything the org was a good choice for their career Jojo is literally almost the identical paper situation to Danny except he personally is just way different mentally do u really thing EG will sign another player on the spectrum I highly highly doubt it so realistically it's not very likely that this situation will repeat they aren't TSM just abusing everything and everyone. They had a nuanced situation which they mishandled pretty badly but obviously they must be doing some things right they won spring and kept most of their good players.
@@evanblaylock2750 thats like saying Riot will never face the same situation again in terms of sexism problems within the company because most of their employees stayed afterwards and they have a successful product on the market. We are talking about mental health problems that were mishandled and you say Jojo is the same situation just without the mental which means it is not applicable for this situation anyways :D also if you had listened to the show or look at the behaviour of players in general you will see that many of the young players are immature and or in one way shape or form in need of help in terms of mental/growing up/developing. Also just because others stayed (they might care about winning more than how to behave towards each other or not care what happens to others etc etc) you can't just shrug of misbehaviour. EG is a company who employs very young people they have a responsibility to take care of them. Especially the vulnerable ones
The video basically says that EG's management staff knew Danny no longer wanted to compete by the end of the regular split, so they convinced/manipulated him to keep playing during the play-offs (in order to keep his market value up and selling his contract for good money later) while simultaneously signing 2 substitute junglers (meaning they voluntarily didn't sign a substitute for the ADC role despite Danny clearly no longer wanting to compete).
So basically we have a scenario where EG didn't register a proper substituon for Danny 1) to mentally coherse him into playing 2) to save money on plane tickets woooooow
Every time I go to watch something with Monte or thorin, they gotta show how Travis Gafford lives rent free in their head lol if you don't like him why waste your energy on him 🤷♂️
Wait… they explain it when they’re talking about him. Because Travis unfortunately is like a content cuck who larps as a journalist. No flame to Travis but that’s literally what he is.
This story sounds like theyre blowing shit out of proportion. Dannys job is to play for EG. They ask him to play even though hes got some mental shit going on, he agrees to play then take a break. Now theyre paying him and hes relaxing. How awful?
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Always a pleasure to be in such great company :)
always love you on the show man, and love Euro League! great episode w/ Trouble
Always good to see you man, thanks for joining in on these!
5.5 fucking k
It's not a four horsemen without a banger Travis Gafford roast.
This shit is like Spotlight for eSports. I live for 4H episodes.
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@@Paresscool Sometime after 1:10:00
@@Paresscool 1:32:00, Thorin brings him up because he dated EG's CEO
Rich is so funny man. LFN needs him as a regular. Best guest.
His talkshows are a bit less slick but really good. Keria talks lec woth him all the time and thorn rich and fox drop have a show together. He obviously pulls great guests too
I like that Danny's tweet was so clearly manufactured as a corporate response it fired everyone up enough to immediately make a Horsemen episode
Im so glad i found my way to these 3 guys. People who actually seek out the truth regardless of threats or risk of harming their own reputation more and potentially damaging their own income through lack of communication with orgs/players and having content they make blacklisted by reddit or orgs putting outside pressure on people. You care more about the subjects you talk about than any sort of consequence, and that is a special fucking thing indeed
Outside of Ls reading Richard's article on stream and Dom retweeting a link to the article it has been quite silent about the Danny topic in the lol scene. You would almost think it never happened and Thorin just endorsed that Freeze Pipe sponsorship a bit too much one evening.
This is what living in an authoritarian state looks like.
Because the majority of the original information came out through Danny's sister, by definition a biased source. Most people in the industry have to be extremely careful about how they deal with conflicting information, whereas these guys can just shoot from the hip because they burned all the bridges they could possibly burn already aside from Monte who coasts on an insane level of goodwill. As more and more is corroborated more people will come out with their own statements. This always happens don't let these three fool you into thinking no one ever talks about these things aside from them, they just do it first because their entire brand is getting there first.
Both LS and Dom have publicly expressed their opinions that the players health doesn't matter if you want to be the best.
Most recently in the context of saying NA players should work harder like peak korean starcraft days.
Funny how these opinions change when presented with a specific example, especially one they like.
@@Obzerver "Being the best is not a healthy endeavor". I know what you are referring to and they were talking about players own personal discipline when it came to practice. I don't even know how you can compare that to an esports organization abusing their power and mistreating players. Two totally different things.
@@marcrush55 Its literally the same thing, just a difference of who's idea it is to play in an unhealthy way. On one hand player should wants to fuck themselves up trying to be the best. On the other orgs should be held to extreme responsibility if a player ends up unhealthy.
I just don't understand what people wanted to have happen. Every fan seems to say they wanted Danny to keep playing and to see him win. That's clearly what EG wanted too (it's literally the whole controversy, if EG didn't try to keep him playing then no one would be mad at them). Do people really think that by playing less, not scrimming, having more time to fly home to with family, and generally doing less work - then EG would have won summer? If so that's completely contradictory to LS/Dom's point about how to be the best and that's what I was trying to call out.
I once asked on the subreddit why some articles were allowed up without disclosing sources, a mod responded with 'articles from publications with an editor aren't required to disclose sources' - right mate
Yet another example of why I roll my eyes whenever a company says they treat their staff like "family".
It's psychological manipulation. The only place that it could even remotely apply is a small family run shop. And even some of those places use this tactic on their OWN actual family.
Yeah that saying is for mom and pop small family businesses not global corporations lol.
"we treat you like family, just not a healthy one"
im confident that id watch richard thorin and monte talk about pretty much anything. more straight fire content
Danny had stadiums of people chanting his name. From that to this 😢
its sad cause people actually want him to succeed but he holds himself back because he doesn’t know how to deal with the pressure. he really could be one of the best and had such a long career ahead of him. hopefully he figures it out
@@1xgt it wasn't EG chants or anyone else on the team it was all for him
Good job calling out the mods of r/LeagueofLegends
They'll never see it because it will be automatically deleted when posted there
Great discussion as always guys. Absolutely insane that you are more or less the only people covering this...
Richards warning of the inevtible suicides occuring with the state these leagues are run is hard to hear but a message that definitely needs to be heard. Very interested to see if anything comes of this debarcle
nice episode, it is good that this episode happened as well as the article
I thought this episode would come sooner or later. I hope Danny is vindicated. I'm curious if we're gonna get any more new info (that wasn't explored in Richard's article or Thorin's video essay.
Given that there appears to be a lot of NDA nonsense around the situation, I doubt it, though I hope we get more information. Danny deserves a bit of justice in this situation.
46:41 epic rant by Richard once again, love seeing the passion you guys have towards genuinely improving players lives
The fact that this episode is not at the top of r/leagueoflegends is so fucked up.
Rich is always a fantastic guest.
I think the rule bending that went on should have been that they suspended Danny from competition for 3 months instead of allowed a sub. That way EG doesn't get to bend the rules, but not letting them have the sub doesn't force Danny to keep playing under duress.
Thinking about Autism and mental health issues the first thing i get nervous about is Autistic Burnout. This can lead to thoughts of suicide and can be a serious issue if not given proper care. I hope Danny is doing okay and hope that people in the esports space would gain a small education on Autism.
Great pod. its crazy how travis gafford has not said a single word about the stuff going on with EG despite seemingly covering almost all things LCS related. but instead its radio silence...
1:37:17 Rich is so good with it LMAO
thorin whiffing on "flatline league" baffles me, get this man a cup of coffee
Bless your souls for doing this, fighting the good battle, great episode.
I would've said Fuck Evil Geniuses but then Travis took it too far.
Four horsemen shows are the best esport content there is.
This one video exposes and explains such gross activities in esports. I will recommend this vid to most of my close friends who follow esports. Thanks for this, all of you who put this together for us viewers. Cheers.
Honestly, Last Free Nation has been freaking killing it this year
It is here!
Dadyrus asking the real Qs
I'm happy this was made
1:02:29 FUCK ME.. THIS IS MY FAVOURITE THORIN MONOLOGUE!!!
Dude was on fire!!! Spitting truth!!!
Teams should be required to have a sub available for every position. It's 2023 and most (if not all) teams have academies now, they should have no problems with this.
Mmmmm 2 hours of Riot's Most Wanted grilling the fuck of a shady org and terrible business practice, inject it right into my veins
So just to confirm, some hack plagiarized Richard’s content and posted it to the LoL subreddit. Anybody pointing out that it’s plagiarized is getting permanently banned. It’s currently on the front page.
My money is on Peter Dun for some of the leaked info...
Pls, we need the The Roast of Travis Gafford 2
Thank you for doing this
Dadrys asking the real questions
I've tried to post this video in the league subreddit and the mods have taken it down everytime. Looks like they don't want any more traction on this story.
So much neglect.. so depressing
So thorins comment about “certain players were cynical about it and were applying pressure” would have been inspired. Not only is he known as being ridiculously blunt and upfront.
He also publicly say in interviews talking about how EGs weaknesses were botlane because Danny couldn’t play the meta champs.
He was known on Rogue to completely flame the absolute crap out of Trymbi to the point where he was borderline in tears.
The moment he left - Rogue became an infinitely healthier environment.
He is also as slyly spoken about by Larssen without confirming it, a very demanding player who actively would demand the players and team played his way (spoke in an interview about inspired and said “Yeah I’m glad he has gone to NA and the team is playing the way he wants and it’s working well for them”.
Isn't EG playing in South America now? they picked up a team from Peru in dota I'm fairly sure? unless they got dropped as well.
Rich throwing Upset under the Bus for good measure. My man catches strays by him even in those discussions.
I used to be an EG fan, they always were underdogs in cod and with low resources they won world champs in one of the best stories in console esports. When Peak6 came in, they let PPD go and treated Towey the team manager that kept them together, like rubbish.
Doesnt seem they are geniuses at all, just plain evil
the twitch comment "did he tear that ass up" LMFAO
that was dyrus dad which makes it even funnier😂😂
Holy shitt that thumbnail.
Thank you.
Is this Ricardo Luis?
Dadyrus the goat for that comment XD
At a minimum EG needs to be stripped of it's LCS slot. I don't think it will happen though
How do you possibly justify that? What about the current LCS roster? By all accounts they didn't do anything wrong, Ssumday and FBI weren't even on the team. It's possible if enough evidence comes out to implicate the CEO, head of performance and GM, since those are the people with the crosshairs of the community on their back, that Riot could force an Echo Fox ultimatum but outright stripping them of their spot is a ludicrous reaction.
@@Sitarman345 as if all 5 players aren't talented enough to find new teams. They're all top 4 in their roles lmao
@@Warpenguin55I need to know something before I respond, when you say stripping them of their spot do you mean with immediate effect or between splits or even during the offseason?
@@Sitarman345 between splits
The travis part had me death
Travis is a inverse whistle blower, lmfao
What was the coach doing during all of this?
Reporting to management… who then said they would deal with it but never did.
Most coaches in LoL have no power - if he had chose to bench Danny, his career would be done.
Well done
Did anyone make any type of comment about how the Organization is called "Evil" geniuses. Name didn't age well.
I see rich, I upvote.
Personally i enjoy rich on these types of podcasts
1:02:22 The amount of EGO it takes to straight up take up the position of CEO is a multi (ten x) million dollar industry in your 20s is insane...it's so obvious she did this not for the love of the industry or "because if I don't no one else can" she just wanted to pretend-play CEO as if it's just some marketing gig
1:11:15 "They'll be on the web 3 grift like all the other fucking people..." - Maya Angelou
Here is my comment in support of mental health.
haha Thorin pulling out the "DICKHEAD" he's now DOOMED lmao thanks for the content
Don't know or care about league of legends, but I'm glad they're roasting EG, considering they ruined stew's career.
All i wanna know is how bad Armut smells :(
If he is the DIG player who keeps catching flak about BO I want confirmation
someone make a new thorin pop off compilation
Travis is such a joke of a figure in this scene holy hell man
Danny should leave em. Good thing impact did
algorithm comment. get it trending
Talk about EVIL foreal
Dadyrus gigachad
I‘m sorry but as a consumer the player‘s lives are NOT my responsibility. Even just insinuating that is disgusting to anyone who‘s dealt with suicide before either personally or within their family. It‘s on the orgs and most IMPORTANTLY on Riot Games! Not on the people who watch the game
Yeah, it's on the players, teams, and riot. As a spontanious spectator, I have no problem boycotting, but for me to accept responsibility on any level for some corporations mal-practice is extremely delusional.
any TLDR guys?
Frankly, the entire esports scene needs to grow up. No more gaming houses. No more paying food and rent for children. Go back to employment at will, we can fire you at any point in time, you can quit at any point in time. Put in performance bonuses and incentive comp to encourage players to complete the season if you're worried about them quitting. Use structured bonuses or scaling payouts for multi-year arrangements. Every big company in the world does this with their executives, and manager/ director level employees. When the league minimum is 400K+ per year, then they can have this "we own you" attitude. Not at 65K per year. It's a job, you show up, you work, you go home. If you don't perform, you're fired. If you perform well, you get paid more.
And to be fair to the company, why are they in a position to be responsible for a player's mental health to begin with? Who would agree to that? Danny? His parents? Of course they have an incentive to get as much value as possible out of him? Why are they contracting a player for stressful job, where it won't be possible to provide him reasonable accommodations to reduce his stress if he's easily triggered by stress? The responsible thing to do would be to say, "This is a public facing, highly stressful, highly competitive position, and it would be inappropriate to put you in this role. The nature of the role doesn't allow us, the league, or the broader media and competitive landscape to create a low stress environment for you."
Nice jobs guys.
Rich a bit overgeneralizing saying most league players are on the spectrum
Not really… most players in LoL are beyond obsessive and only live and breathe the game they are in. They are socially completely inept. A lot of these guys are on the spectrum - Players like Faker as an example is on the spectrum… anyone who watches him and understands autism can tell that he is. The man lives and dies LoL.
@@PeoplePleaser578 That's not completely true anything that is higher up competitive in any sport you have to be obsessive with the game to make it to the top, it's not something you can just pick up and drop you have to eat, live and breathe said sport. With Faker unless you know him personally you can't really say if he is on the spectrum or not you watch the greats in any sports and it's crazy the things they would to be the best at anything they do.
this is the league talk show for grownups
Hahaha Forgiven the stinker :D
only watched so far yet but personally it would not necessarily be a problem if EG helped writing the tweet or promised to help and then they had to rush it because of Thorins tweet as long as he asked for it maybe exactly because he doesn't normally write like that. Also the content creator contract could be an actual attempt from EG to help the player as promised even without them only thinking about possible punishments but I am sure when we go more into the details throughout the episode it will unfortunately show that it wasn't :D
Nah you're actually right but these people don't actually care about Danny lol. They assume he's some sort of idiot who in-between him and his family is incapable of making decisions in the best interest of Danny. In reality Danny LET EG do a PR tweet because he's getting paid and that's a fucking good thing he's getting paid to do literally nothing by EG and doesn't want to fuck that up but yet all these people are trying to make it impossible for him to have any healthy attempt at a relationship with the only org he can possibly be contracted too. Because of all this bad press no other org will touch him so its in his best interest to stick with EG.
@@evanblaylock2750I think you're having a skewed perspective here. It's not that people don't care about Danny... It's that EG needs to be held accountable because the situation in which Danny finds himself (no other org wants him, etc.) is because of EG's actions / inactions to a significant degree.
@@evanblaylock2750 you mean the org who by their behaviour got him into this position in the first place that no other org wants him as well as possibly supporting the spiral down in terms of mental health by putting even more pressure/force on him instead of giving him more space when he first raised concerns? It's correct to critically ask questions and report on bad organizational behaviour even if it doesn't help Danny anymore. I think that point was well communicated in this episode
@@6666Imperator the thing is we're using black and white paint for a situation that is realistically grey he has 3 teammates who EG retained is EG forcing them all to stay, no they thought given everything the org was a good choice for their career Jojo is literally almost the identical paper situation to Danny except he personally is just way different mentally do u really thing EG will sign another player on the spectrum I highly highly doubt it so realistically it's not very likely that this situation will repeat they aren't TSM just abusing everything and everyone. They had a nuanced situation which they mishandled pretty badly but obviously they must be doing some things right they won spring and kept most of their good players.
@@evanblaylock2750 thats like saying Riot will never face the same situation again in terms of sexism problems within the company because most of their employees stayed afterwards and they have a successful product on the market. We are talking about mental health problems that were mishandled and you say Jojo is the same situation just without the mental which means it is not applicable for this situation anyways :D also if you had listened to the show or look at the behaviour of players in general you will see that many of the young players are immature and or in one way shape or form in need of help in terms of mental/growing up/developing. Also just because others stayed (they might care about winning more than how to behave towards each other or not care what happens to others etc etc) you can't just shrug of misbehaviour. EG is a company who employs very young people they have a responsibility to take care of them. Especially the vulnerable ones
can someone give a TLDR plz?
You can read Richard's article on dexerto
The video basically says that EG's management staff knew Danny no longer wanted to compete by the end of the regular split, so they convinced/manipulated him to keep playing during the play-offs (in order to keep his market value up and selling his contract for good money later) while simultaneously signing 2 substitute junglers (meaning they voluntarily didn't sign a substitute for the ADC role despite Danny clearly no longer wanting to compete).
Forgivin
Life line league, nothing but L’s
So basically we have a scenario where EG didn't register a proper substituon for Danny 1) to mentally coherse him into playing 2) to save money on plane tickets woooooow
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Every time I go to watch something with Monte or thorin, they gotta show how Travis Gafford lives rent free in their head lol if you don't like him why waste your energy on him 🤷♂️
ever heard of a running joke?
Wait… they explain it when they’re talking about him. Because Travis unfortunately is like a content cuck who larps as a journalist. No flame to Travis but that’s literally what he is.
aint no way they are calling danny a star
This story sounds like theyre blowing shit out of proportion. Dannys job is to play for EG. They ask him to play even though hes got some mental shit going on, he agrees to play then take a break. Now theyre paying him and hes relaxing. How awful?
Also if you do a bloodtest for most league players, im positive theyre malnourished. Danny is nothing new
Does anybody in your life ever come to you for emotional support? I would imagine not.
@@potowogreedo EG isnt a charity to just pay someone to not play. Welcome to real world? Its nice that theyre helping him out after
I have so many things I could say, but I’ll just say I think this is an oversimplified, aggressive, and harmful take.
This is a very needs to touch grass opinion, stay off the internet fam it's not good for you. xD