Hey John thanks for all the information you put out on your videos. I would like for you to try an get a hold on the MPA BA PMR rifle and compare it against the Badrock South Fork rifle since they were both created to fit into the production class of PRS and both would be at the higher end on price for that class. I would like to know which of the two offers more bang for our buck. Thank you and keep up the good work
For production class, I will definitely buy an Axial precision rifle. They say 1/2 MOA for 5 group but I saw it making sub 1/4 MOA group. Action and barrel are one piece which gives it a ruggedness and precision that no other rifle can match. Unfortunately the bad thing about this feature that you are unable to change the barrel or service the rifle by your self or by a gun smith. You have to strictly send it to the company but for those who are in production class, it will be a perfect choice especially 300 PRC if allowed
@@hank3152 I didn't know that Hank. If that is the case, it won't work at all. Probably I will go with Savage Evo110 MDT chassis. What do you consider as a choice in that range
WW 34 the Axial Precision would be a great Open class rifle, but in Production anything under $2k not including optics is allowed. The Savage Evo, Bergara Grayboe, or Tikka TacA1 are great options as well as the above Badrock
I've seen some reviews where they got 1/4 MOA groups with this. Compared to Proof Research which has similar groups. But the BadRock is a bargain compared to the price of Proof Research.
Hello John. I know this video is old. I am looking to get a new rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor and 223 for both long range shooting . How do you rate this rifle over other brands. I have looked at so many from high to low prices. What do you think off the Badrock South fork for a starter rifle. Thank you for your time with this video and review.
SVTsupercharged it’s a chassis rifle with a handguard and most handguards already come standard with a full rail and the weight is negligible. The plus side of not having a rail is the choice of lower rings with a large objective lens
Next, the Seekins Precision Havak Bravo rifle! With a blend of simple and subtle, the company specifies which barrel use, and it is relatively the same price!!!😄👌🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Currently the issued rifles are Remington 700 LTRs in .308. If I had my pick, they would be Accuracy International AT LE rifles still in .308. On the DMR side of things, it is hard to beat a solid AR15 with one of the heavier bullet options (75gr TAP).
Hi, I’m a TH-cam subscriber and would greatly appreciate your help with this. I am a shooter/reloader with a little over 3 years experience, so still a newbie/amateur. I have really enjoyed getting into long range shooting and have been able to shoot out to 880 yards locally and getting 0.5-0.75” groups at 100 yard with 6.5 Creedmoor Savage reloaded ammo. I’m looking to upgrade my long range rifle with a budget of up to $2,200. Current setup... RIFLE: Savage 10T in 6.5 Creedmoor (5R barrel, no break) with a Bradley cheek rest. SCOPE: SWFA SS Fixed 10x MRAD/MRAD REST/BIPOD: shooting bags SHOOTING STYLE: Benchrest (want something can shoot PRS/benchrest competition in the future) Contenders: $750-2,000 Tikka T3 CTR/Varmint (upgrade stock to KRG Bravo) Bergara Premier Series: Ridgeback/LRP Elite/HMR Pro $2,000-2,200 Badrock South Fork (Defiance Action) MPA BA PMR Competition Havak Bravo by Seekins Precision John Hancock by PVA (ARC Nucleus Action) Daniel Defense DELTA 5 Also open to purchasing a barreled action, ex. PVA sells a ARC Nucleus barreled action or a Howa 1500 BA and putting in a stock/chassis. Not a deal breaker, but I would like to have the ability to change out barrels or adjust headspace myself to improve brass life/accuracy (length of jump to lands & bullet seating). Buying at the $2k/under seems ideal if I want to also have the option later compete in Production class PRS Competitions. I routinely check GunBroker for good deals and used rifles. I’m not in a rush to buy something by any deadline but I was hoping to get some advice and tips for what would be the best platform. I know Remington 700 footprint would give me the most options for aftermarket/extras. Open to any suggestions/advice and won’t take offense. THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR ANY HELP YOU CAN GIVE!
Hello John, excellent channel and excellent information!!! You were a major factor in my decision to purchase a badrock rifle(currently on order). The question I have is with your choice of bipod. Atlas has many options and your choice was a cal. I will be purchasing a set soon would be grateful for your insight and a breakdown of the different models and why your choice was a cal. It’s likely you have already done this and I just missed it. Anyways, thanks and Keep up the good work! I believe the barrel is x-caliber using pulled button rifling 5r with a 115 degree transition between land and groove and 1-9 twist, at least on the 300prc.
@@BlakeCWong Really? Sweet! Let me know how it shoots, if it’s worth the money, and/or anything else you like or would change once you get it and get a chance to shoot it.
I stated the size range with the ammunition used and showed a photo of a representative group. I don’t do the gunrag groups where we cherry pick a three round group and toss a “flyer”.
@@vernonlarson7016 I was asking the same question a year ago. The answer my research showed me is aside from being a .30cal projectile they very different in the small details. Different parent cases.300wm head spaces off the rim, has a much looser throat and can't push the long heavy for caliber ELD style bullets like the .300prc can. Pros for the .300wm.....you can find good factory ammo in just about every town in North America. Its going to do a little better pushing the 170-180gr bullets only because the .300prc was designed around the 225gr ELD projectile. It has a little less recoil than the 300prc. If you are punching steel out past 1,500yrds the 300prc has the advantage. If you are shooting elk at 300yds then they are pretty much equal and id lean to the 300wm just because you can get nosler partition factory hunting ammo for it. If you are reloading then you can really do some amazing things with the 300prc. But as of June 2020 I know of 2 factory loads both from hornady for the .300prc where as the 300wm has hundreds. I had a 300wm and bought a 300prc and I love them both. In my opinion the 300wm is only better than the 300prc in one aspect and thats available factory ammo and the subsequent load data.
Wow, You did a fantastic job with this review. You talked about just about every aspect of the rifle. It certainly looks nice.
Great review! This may be a great starter option for custom. Would be perfect if it was based on the Tenacity with integrated recoil lug.
I'm glad I'm not the only one to have those kinds of issues with aw mags. It gets even worse when you run a 6BR variant out of the aw mags.
Yessss! I’ve been waiting for this video!
Hey John thanks for all the information you put out on your videos. I would like for you to try an get a hold on the MPA BA PMR rifle and compare it against the Badrock South Fork rifle since they were both created to fit into the production class of PRS and both would be at the higher end on price for that class. I would like to know which of the two offers more bang for our buck. Thank you and keep up the good work
For production class, I will definitely buy an Axial precision rifle. They say 1/2 MOA for 5 group but I saw it making sub 1/4 MOA group. Action and barrel are one piece which gives it a ruggedness and precision that no other rifle can match. Unfortunately the bad thing about this feature that you are unable to change the barrel or service the rifle by your self or by a gun smith. You have to strictly send it to the company but for those who are in production class, it will be a perfect choice especially 300 PRC if allowed
WW 34 for under $2k?
@@hank3152 unfortunately not. They are 3500+
WW 34 right, but isn’t production class limited to $2k?
@@hank3152 I didn't know that Hank. If that is the case, it won't work at all. Probably I will go with Savage Evo110 MDT chassis. What do you consider as a choice in that range
WW 34 the Axial Precision would be a great Open class rifle, but in Production anything under $2k not including optics is allowed. The Savage Evo, Bergara Grayboe, or Tikka TacA1 are great options as well as the above Badrock
it's pretty much savage 110 elite precision also same price range 1900$ only it will come with scope rail , brake, better ACC chassy, trigger 8 oz
Fantastic review!👍🏻 I would like to hear your thoughts on the similar Seekins Precision Havak Bravo rifle, compared to this one.
I would assume they use Proof SS barrels since they are in the same town.
Doublefeed with a pushfeed is purely a user error, train under stress so you wont do a ridiculouss mistake
Very interesting action.
Which rifle would you choose between the Badrock Southfork and the Seekins Precision Havock?
I've seen some reviews where they got 1/4 MOA groups with this. Compared to Proof Research which has similar groups. But the BadRock is a bargain compared to the price of Proof Research.
I think I’m going to order this rifle tomorrow morning lol
Hello John. I know this video is old. I am looking to get a new rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor and 223 for both long range shooting . How do you rate this rifle over other brands. I have looked at so many from high to low prices. What do you think off the Badrock South fork for a starter rifle. Thank you for your time with this video and review.
Great review! I am looking to get started in PRS. Would you choose the 6mm Creedmoor or 6.5PRC?
Isn’t that the Tenacity action with a different logo? Which you can buy by itself?
Yep.
Probably means with the bad rock logo milled in it
It looks very much like the Tenacity, it I can’t find any info on the feeding and ejection of that action or a photo of the bolt face.
@@8541tactical Same here. There is very little information on that action available.
Tenacity is a push feed not a crf
Will it fit the ACC chassis??
Any clue where I can purchase this in California?
IMO, PUT THE FULL
1.2" BULL BARREL ON
IT, THREAD IT 1" FINE AND YA GOT ME. !!!!
Great beautiful rifle, but I didn’t get the Caliber .
South fork avail for south paws?
Sorry for the late reply. Yes, they make a variant for the devils hand folks
@@Metzgarmeister666 better late than never! Thank you!
3 words... I'm ordering one.
I was expecting much better accuracy from these guys.
Half to three quarter sounds like most people cant shoot that well. I'm new to this type rifle. Are others really better than that?
Nice rifle,but I would bye an MPA all day long
Is this Cartman approved?
i was going to hit the like button but couldnt do it as the likes are at 308 lol
Don’t see it being worth $200 more than the Tikka TAC A1.....and it comes with a full pic rail, brake and a folding stock
Love my Tac A1 - I’ve seen about 4 or 5 at local matches and they all shoot lights out
Full rail is worthless on a long rifle and creates more weight.
SVTsupercharged it’s a chassis rifle with a handguard and most handguards already come standard with a full rail and the weight is negligible. The plus side of not having a rail is the choice of lower rings with a large objective lens
Tikkas mags suck.. and their barrels a Slllloooowww
Production class is the epitome of participation trophies
what is that supposed to mean? you're not going to get a trophy just for showing up at a range.
Man, getting so much for your money these days.
Next, the Seekins Precision Havak Bravo rifle! With a blend of simple and subtle, the company specifies which barrel use, and it is relatively the same price!!!😄👌🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Nice Video John!
Love all your videos. You really break everything down and explain it so well!! Thanks for what you are doing!!! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🇺🇸🇺🇸
I wish this rifle would have been available 6 years ago when I had my 6xc build. 👍👍👍👍great review and great positive attitude. 👍
swarmar 308 me too! I can’t believe what you get for $1200
Upping the production values with some gun porn montage/music! Thanks for the review John.
Hurry up and release the area419 hellfire review.
When PRC rules raised the production price limits guess what. Same rifle went up in price about 1000$ 🤬 so same rifle is 3000$ now
Atlas CAL review please.
what type and height scope rings are you using with that Vortex?
Thanks for the great info. I’m fixing to order this. So, MDT LSS XL GEN 2?
Love the start of this video John .
How do you compare this to the Begara LRP overall?
You can get the barreled action now
Nice video... new subscriber!!
great video, very informative...one question, does it come in .300 win mag or .338
Yes
What sniper and DMR does your department use and if you could make the selection which would you choose and why !
Interesting review John !
Currently the issued rifles are Remington 700 LTRs in .308. If I had my pick, they would be Accuracy International AT LE rifles still in .308. On the DMR side of things, it is hard to beat a solid AR15 with one of the heavier bullet options (75gr TAP).
8541 Tactical .. I would agree wit you on both John .. good solid choices of rifle and also ammunition regarding both options-sniper and AR !
Nicely built gun
@8541Tactical would the rifles action that is now available be a good starting point for building an F-Class rifle?
Hi,
I’m a TH-cam subscriber and would greatly appreciate your help with this. I am a shooter/reloader with a little over 3 years experience, so still a newbie/amateur. I have really enjoyed getting into long range shooting and have been able to shoot out to 880 yards locally and getting 0.5-0.75” groups at 100 yard with 6.5 Creedmoor Savage reloaded ammo. I’m looking to upgrade my long range rifle with a budget of up to $2,200.
Current setup...
RIFLE: Savage 10T in 6.5 Creedmoor (5R barrel, no break) with a Bradley cheek rest.
SCOPE: SWFA SS Fixed 10x MRAD/MRAD
REST/BIPOD: shooting bags
SHOOTING STYLE: Benchrest (want something can shoot PRS/benchrest competition in the future)
Contenders:
$750-2,000
Tikka T3 CTR/Varmint (upgrade stock to KRG Bravo)
Bergara Premier Series: Ridgeback/LRP Elite/HMR Pro
$2,000-2,200
Badrock South Fork (Defiance Action)
MPA BA PMR Competition
Havak Bravo by Seekins Precision
John Hancock by PVA (ARC Nucleus Action)
Daniel Defense DELTA 5
Also open to purchasing a barreled action, ex. PVA sells a ARC Nucleus barreled action or a Howa 1500 BA and putting in a stock/chassis.
Not a deal breaker, but I would like to have the ability to change out barrels or adjust headspace myself to improve brass life/accuracy (length of jump to lands & bullet seating). Buying at the $2k/under seems ideal if I want to also have the option later compete in Production class PRS Competitions. I routinely check GunBroker for good deals and used rifles. I’m not in a rush to buy something by any deadline but I was hoping to get some advice and tips for what would be the best platform. I know Remington 700 footprint would give me the most options for aftermarket/extras.
Open to any suggestions/advice and won’t take offense.
THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR ANY HELP YOU CAN GIVE!
Hello John, excellent channel and excellent information!!! You were a major factor in my decision to purchase a badrock rifle(currently on order). The question I have is with your choice of bipod. Atlas has many options and your choice was a cal. I will be purchasing a set soon would be grateful for your insight and a breakdown of the different models and why your choice was a cal. It’s likely you have already done this and I just missed it. Anyways, thanks and Keep up the good work! I believe the barrel is x-caliber using pulled button rifling 5r with a 115 degree transition between land and groove and 1-9 twist, at least on the 300prc.
8:42 so in one foul swoop they eliminate Savage from the production class?
Too much extra talking on trivia.
Yeah, but does it take glock mags
What ring height are you using on this set up? Using the razor gen2.
Do they specify the type of steel the barrel is made from?
Grr... Debating between this or an AIAT.
ai
AI.
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Accuracy International.
Lmao ! That's like saying should I go with a Porsche or a Ford
Great review! What is the difference between medium and XM actions? There are options to select one of those and it would be nice to know.
Dictated by the caliber
Medium action is for the 6.5 PRC, and the Long actions are for the magnum calibers.
Just ordered one in a 300 prc any one know the best mdt mag lengths for it?
How do you like it?
John what was your go to any rifle 175 grn 308 load if you don't mind me asking?
175SMK, 43gr RE15, Federal Brass, GM210M Primer. That seems to be a universal accuracy load.
@@8541tactical cool thanks, I'll start light and work up to it
Saw SOUTH Fork and thought it was a southpaw rifle and got my hopes up 😢
They sell it as a lefty. Just ordered one.
@@BlakeCWong Really? Sweet! Let me know how it shoots, if it’s worth the money, and/or anything else you like or would change once you get it and get a chance to shoot it.
Left hand available ?
Late to the party, but yeah. On the site they advertise left and right.
Just state the size groups you got. It's perfectly clear that way.
I stated the size range with the ammunition used and showed a photo of a representative group. I don’t do the gunrag groups where we cherry pick a three round group and toss a “flyer”.
Just rewatched. I missed the picture and the group size range you stated. My fault. Thanks for your vids!@@8541tactical
@@8541tactical what are views on the 300prc compared to 300 win mag
@@vernonlarson7016 I was asking the same question a year ago. The answer my research showed me is aside from being a .30cal projectile they very different in the small details. Different parent cases.300wm head spaces off the rim, has a much looser throat and can't push the long heavy for caliber ELD style bullets like the .300prc can.
Pros for the .300wm.....you can find good factory ammo in just about every town in North America. Its going to do a little better pushing the 170-180gr bullets only because the .300prc was designed around the 225gr ELD projectile. It has a little less recoil than the 300prc.
If you are punching steel out past 1,500yrds the 300prc has the advantage. If you are shooting elk at 300yds then they are pretty much equal and id lean to the 300wm just because you can get nosler partition factory hunting ammo for it.
If you are reloading then you can really do some amazing things with the 300prc. But as of June 2020 I know of 2 factory loads both from hornady for the .300prc where as the 300wm has hundreds.
I had a 300wm and bought a 300prc and I love them both. In my opinion the 300wm is only better than the 300prc in one aspect and thats available factory ammo and the subsequent load data.
Tiika T3X TAC A 1 I own this, love It ! Would like to see your review.
Just another MDT LSS rig. Meh.
what's out there that's really good and can shoot 1/4 MOA?