***** "I'm gonna call it fair because we need an advantage against a good player" Straight up giving an advantage to one player because the other one is better is wrong and is always wrong. No excuses, no bullshittery.
kelroy2121 Him not being able to go to loser's bracket is an unfair advantage, the person who would go up against ZeRo gets a free win, while ZeRo just gets knocked back from a double elimination tourney. I'm not sure what you call an unfair advantage...
Saw it live in person. Walked up to both of them much later after the tourney and congratulated them both. This is my favorite set in smash 4 so far, the story that was told here was amazing. Crowd was hype, Zero was SHOOK after almost losing to ESAM earlier (blinking a lot, looking down, shaking, walking really fast and leaving the main stage area, (walked right by me, this is how I saw him)) and this right here was my GF. ESAM was almost the one that day, and I'm glad I was there to witness it myself. Smashcon gave me one of the best weekends of my life and these two gave me one of the best sets I've ever seen. Best $105 I ever spent. (late registration)
***** from game 1 to 5 the crowd was in on it. ESAM is looking better than ever, so happy to see a pikachu doing so much work. wish I could see a match like this live one day, sounds a real blast.
KholdKhaos64 Ray Those aerial battles are actually annoying because it's whats keeping the game from becoming 3 stocks. It's more challenging to find a way to get back on the ledge before your opponent does vs a guaranteed comeback on the ledge if you actually know how to tech.
Fieryvortex48 That is kind of true, but there are other reasons why the game is kept from being 3 stock. One of them is the strong defensive options like rolling, campy wall characters etc. At least the aerial battles are interesting to watch (because it's basically fighting over a lava pit) and they help differentiate this game's meta and play-style than that of Melee, 64, or PM. Granted, I don't want the aerial battle to overshadow the ground game, but it's a nice inclusion that I want to stay as the meta for this game in particular developes.
+Joseph Franc sheiks in every finals because of zero. And yoshi and pikachu arent top tiers in melee. Theres literally one notable person that plays each of those characters
+Joseph Franc ok so a mario melee main. Where are you placing at the nationals and regionals. On a casual level (like mine) any character is usable. In the top top level play its just simply not the case. If you can't accept that, sorry man.
Joseph Franc So what you're saying is that in Sm4sh, only characters that shine in tournaments are the good ones, but in Melee it's just matter of people not being good enough with their lowtier mains? I suggest you stop for a minute and reconsider your logic.
+Esa Laitinen i dont think he was saying that in melee you can play anyone at the top. but just that you can see more options for top placement than in sm4ash. i would agree to some extent that the tier list in melee all the way down to yoshi could give you a win in a major tourney. whereas in sm4sh it seemed like sheik and sometimes zss/ros (maybe at times others) were by far better than the other characters and only players playing these could win. i would definitely say 1.4 sheik was by far SS tier, much more so than melee fox/falco are ahead of their competition. but what do i know... ask zero
Winning that 2nd game definitely made up a bit for Nairo's eventual loss. This set was so amazing. Both players had a great attitude the entire time and had a lot of fun. It's obvious that Nairo wasn't prepared for the pikachu-ZSS MU. Having ZeRo constantly in your sights can give you tunnel vision and Esam definitely capitalized on that.
ESAM seems really nice, he's awesome. I mean, after he won, he was smiling and chatting to Nairo, unplugging his controller for him. Just seems like such a down to earth player. I hope to meet him someday
Nathan Banuelos I mean I normally have some bias against Edge Pit, but I'm willing to come to peace after watching Nairo rock worlds with him. Pit and Pittoo, in it to win it!
Wait does anyone know how u flip kick then instantly use the side b or up b for a better recovery? Every time I try to do this I end up dying cause of the lag after using the flip kick, can someone help please?
+David Stratton I have this same problem but I think there's no way to buffer the side b. You just have to wait for the flip to finished before using side b. Hopefully I'm wrong though because being able to buffer her side b during the flip would be extremely useful.
+westempire0 Rideae is a Pikachu main that beat Ryo before. He uses Pikachu Sheik and Corrin but he has a solid pikachu. I like Esam more though. Since my casual days in melee I've been a Pika main and coming across Esam really helped out a ton
+Bruce Wayne There is a difference, Pit's forward b goes straight up when hit and Dark Pit's electro shock arm goes sideways when hit. Also Dark Pit's arrows do more damage, but are less accurate
I get what your saying. Your quoting it cause a bunch of Melee and Brawl players think smash 4 is slow and boring and dumb and not hype, but wait till they see this video. Ssb4 is the most hype Super smash bros game Nintendo ever made.
+Gabe Newell tech skill doesn't just refer to getting techs, it means the ability to pull off difficult and precise inputs, often specific to a character
Fighting Loser's Finals of a sm4sh major is basically deciding who's gonna lose to ZeRo
***** "He's too good, therefore we need an unfair advantage against him" lol k
*****
"I'm gonna call it fair because we need an advantage against a good player"
Straight up giving an advantage to one player because the other one is better is wrong and is always wrong. No excuses, no bullshittery.
*****
You want a straight up advantage against a better player. That is bullshit, I have no clue why you think that's ok.
+Hutson Horton he wasnt saying an advantage he was saying he needs to be beaten early on. thats not a unfair advantage thats just a lose
kelroy2121
Him not being able to go to loser's bracket is an unfair advantage, the person who would go up against ZeRo gets a free win, while ZeRo just gets knocked back from a double elimination tourney. I'm not sure what you call an unfair advantage...
Saw it live in person. Walked up to both of them much later after the tourney and congratulated them both. This is my favorite set in smash 4 so far, the story that was told here was amazing. Crowd was hype, Zero was SHOOK after almost losing to ESAM earlier (blinking a lot, looking down, shaking, walking really fast and leaving the main stage area, (walked right by me, this is how I saw him)) and this right here was my GF.
ESAM was almost the one that day, and I'm glad I was there to witness it myself. Smashcon gave me one of the best weekends of my life and these two gave me one of the best sets I've ever seen. Best $105 I ever spent. (late registration)
***** from game 1 to 5 the crowd was in on it. ESAM is looking better than ever, so happy to see a pikachu doing so much work. wish I could see a match like this live one day, sounds a real blast.
squarerootof9001
crowd was so loud we had to stop friendlies and check it out because it was only getting louder
ZeRo is too good but Esam and Nairo aren't far behind.
These aerial battles near the ledge is something I want to keep in the evolution in the Sm4sh meta.
Same, and im pretty sure it will likely happen
Nain 9 Yep. It gives it more of reason to be floaty competitively that Brawl does.
KholdKhaos64 Ray Of course, it just makes it so different and interesting that its pretty much impossible to not get hyped whenever they happen
KholdKhaos64 Ray Those aerial battles are actually annoying because it's whats keeping the game from becoming 3 stocks. It's more challenging to find a way to get back on the ledge before your opponent does vs a guaranteed comeback on the ledge if you actually know how to tech.
Fieryvortex48 That is kind of true, but there are other reasons why the game is kept from being 3 stock. One of them is the strong defensive options like rolling, campy wall characters etc. At least the aerial battles are interesting to watch (because it's basically fighting over a lava pit) and they help differentiate this game's meta and play-style than that of Melee, 64, or PM.
Granted, I don't want the aerial battle to overshadow the ground game, but it's a nice inclusion that I want to stay as the meta for this game in particular developes.
I love character variety.
JessOwnZ64 Now if my second main and brawl main Sonic wasn't so disrespected. I wouldn't be shanking so many people :v
+Joseph Franc sheiks in every finals because of zero. And yoshi and pikachu arent top tiers in melee. Theres literally one notable person that plays each of those characters
+Joseph Franc ok so a mario melee main. Where are you placing at the nationals and regionals. On a casual level (like mine) any character is usable. In the top top level play its just simply not the case. If you can't accept that, sorry man.
Joseph Franc So what you're saying is that in Sm4sh, only characters that shine in tournaments are the good ones, but in Melee it's just matter of people not being good enough with their lowtier mains? I suggest you stop for a minute and reconsider your logic.
+Esa Laitinen i dont think he was saying that in melee you can play anyone at the top. but just that you can see more options for top placement than in sm4ash. i would agree to some extent that the tier list in melee all the way down to yoshi could give you a win in a major tourney. whereas in sm4sh it seemed like sheik and sometimes zss/ros (maybe at times others) were by far better than the other characters and only players playing these could win. i would definitely say 1.4 sheik was by far SS tier, much more so than melee fox/falco are ahead of their competition. but what do i know... ask zero
Winning that 2nd game definitely made up a bit for Nairo's eventual loss. This set was so amazing. Both players had a great attitude the entire time and had a lot of fun.
It's obvious that Nairo wasn't prepared for the pikachu-ZSS MU. Having ZeRo constantly in your sights can give you tunnel vision and Esam definitely capitalized on that.
Pikachu is such an interesting character with all his movement options
Melee elitist here, this match was fucking awesome. I'm really starting to open up to Smash 4.
That's awesome
+Boarky You want a technical charecter?
P E A C H / R Y U B O Y Z
This man makes me so damn proud to be a Pikachu Trainer
+Benjamin McEachrane Same man
that's why i started maining pikachu
+Benjamin McEachrane You just said "Pikachu Trainer"
not "pikachu main"
Are you 7
Nattoreius In my heart, always
Thats the best response I've ever seen.
ESAM's quick attack edge cancel is a thing of beauty.
The commentary on this match was amazing
ESAM seems really nice, he's awesome. I mean, after he won, he was smiling and chatting to Nairo, unplugging his controller for him. Just seems like such a down to earth player. I hope to meet him someday
PIT AND DARK PIT MAINS UNITE
PIT MASTER RACE REPORTING IN
I think u mean Pit and Pitoo buddy
same thing lol
Nathan Banuelos I mean I normally have some bias against Edge Pit, but I'm willing to come to peace after watching Nairo rock worlds with him. Pit and Pittoo, in it to win it!
+Mirashade its dank pit
can anybody explain to me what combination of moves is that at 14:13 ? looks like a double jump uair?
4:21 Damn nice combo by ESAM. Up tilt to up-air to n-air to f-air to forward tilt.
How do they charge like that to give them the boost for their recovery or the tackle from pikachu (im asking for the wii ssbb)
At 10:30,
Shofu: "What an appropriate percent because that was quite sexy"
I see what you did there... 69%... Kappa
Shofu? Shofu is no where in this video. Racist much??
ProjectIdiot Um.. that's EE.
Oh... This whole time I thought it was Shofu. Lol. And that's not racist xD my mom is black lol
ProjectIdiot You're either adopted or a very self hating black kid
LOL just because i thought it was shofu?? You guys are the racist ones here!
7:20 - 7:35
This is some Dragonball shit 0_o
Has anyone ever got the tickets to that new DBZ movie? They're about to be sold out LOL
+Weirdo Flow I want to see it so bad :(
7kana Yeah me too. I wanted to see the ultimate rematch of Frieza :(. Hopefully it's on the movies cuz I'm good with that
Yeah i feel
+Weirdo Flow me too
So D1, who are you voting for?
4:53
those perfect pivot taunts at 4:12 lmao
Wait does anyone know how u flip kick then instantly use the side b or up b for a better recovery? Every time I try to do this I end up dying cause of the lag after using the flip kick, can someone help please?
+David Stratton I have this same problem but I think there's no way to buffer the side b. You just have to wait for the flip to finished before using side b. Hopefully I'm wrong though because being able to buffer her side b during the flip would be extremely useful.
Esam is incredible! Nobody else even plays pikachu... he's just awesome to watch
+westempire0 Pika is literally 4th on the tier list. But yeh, ESAM goes hard
+westempire0 Rideae is a Pikachu main that beat Ryo before. He uses Pikachu Sheik and Corrin but he has a solid pikachu. I like Esam more though. Since my casual days in melee I've been a Pika main and coming across Esam really helped out a ton
I like how in both smash 4 and brawl at this tournament these two guys fought, esam won, and proceeded to get 3-0'd by the guy in grands.
Can anyone tell me how they shield stop so fast? is there a trick to it?? They shield so quickly. Seriously though let me know please.
+Level 10 Perfect shielding lets you drop your shield instantly
What do the players talk about between games?
its better to watch the finals over the grand finals at these tourneys. no hate but watching ZeRo win all the time gets boring
This man gets it
This man gets it
This man gets it
+JAJAvsWORLD its boring because zero won without taking risks, watching someone playing safe is just plain boring
^ Exactly
Out of curiosity, why did Nairo use Dark Pit instead of Pit? Isn't the original better?
+Bruce Wayne Lucina and Dr. Mario are worse
You think Dr.Mario is worse, lmao. Dr. Mario has a different down b, and very noticeable differences, lol
The clone character have different traits from the original they could be slower and stronger and other stuff like that
Dr. Mario is quite different, at least in sm4sh. Lucina probably is the worst though.
+Bruce Wayne There is a difference, Pit's forward b goes straight up when hit and Dark Pit's electro shock arm goes sideways when hit. Also Dark Pit's arrows do more damage, but are less accurate
Amazing match, both players were on fire! :)
"Smash 4 isn't hype"
Mason Quigley Thanks for the useful comment.
+Shuv You too, stupid.
I get what your saying. Your quoting it cause a bunch of Melee and Brawl players think smash 4 is slow and boring and dumb and not hype, but wait till they see this video. Ssb4 is the most hype Super smash bros game Nintendo ever made.
Isay B. LOL
Shuv
Lol
these two are just so fun to watch!
If not for ZeRo, smash 4 tourneys would be a lot more unpredictable as the top players don't have consistent win rates against each other
The hype!
The battles at the ledge after 4:25... What the actual fuck.
This was a great set, very entertaining.
Did a commentator say "Ranairo"???
7:47 OMG THE TECH SKILL.
what tech? that's cancelling
+Gabe Newell tech skill doesn't just refer to getting techs, it means the ability to pull off difficult and precise inputs, often specific to a character
Jeffrey Clancy oh i see, thankies
10:30 EESPORTS
5:00 what is up with that hitbox??? come on sakurai
These commentators are the best I have ever heard.
Holy geez I love Esam's Pikachu so much and I just love Nairo XD
Amazing set, my two favourite players, with slight favour to Esam as a Pikachu main myself.
Sorry Nairo.
9:10 ESAM's laugh "HAHA EXCELLENT, go to hell....."
JEEEEEZZEEE i must say Esam is HYPE AS FUCK...... nuff said
The top 2 Smash 4 Players to be the MOST HYPE Esam & Fatality
Yo but why's nobody talking about that perfect nose hit mirror at 6:09
man after watching this match and GF i wish esam won he had a lot of fun for this and the brawl tourney
Esam is amazing.
second match was crazy
10:10 Beach mode or Bitch mode?
And people say this game isn't interesting to watch.
FFVIIGuy123 Can we please stop with comments like this?
That one commentator loves to scream
NAAAAAIIIIIIRRRROOOOOO!!!!!
Esams first game was fucking on point. Holy shit that was clean
REMEMBER WHEN THE LUCINA PICK WAS A JOKE. IT'S 2016.
Smash 4 offstage gamr is to strong
Yeah I know some people don't like the new ledge trump system but offstage battles are so exciting to watch imo
ESAM, Nairo, and ZeRo are all about equal. Now, Nairo might have a little edge but you never know.
+Trevor Mccord Well, he is a Dank Pot mainer
ESAM is an amazing player. But I hate pikachu. So freaking much.
Pikachu for life
I can taste the salt
tenshi zero Pikachu is the man
i can smell the sodium
tenshi zero Why?
Man i love nairo's ZSS!!
That's insane!!!! esam is the best!!
Top players make Smash 4 look so fast and fluid…
"Dair I say this match is over"
More offstage than a Melee tournament.
I hope that is an mlg or evo joke
+Shadow Gameboy it's a joke but there is quite a bit of offstage in this set.
i thought that was a horrible choice for Nairo to play as Dark Pit when he mains ZSS.....
Pikachu is fucking terrifying.
Techable
"panda gaming's own esam"
really though
Esam, my fucking Pikachu hero.
remember when exam was top 10 good times.
The last tournament that Esam did well in ;_;
No
lolmuffins1 not anymore
welp I guess this proves that pikachu really is better then ZSS like zero says now.
My Pikachu hero
First two minutes in
nairo looking sloppy suit
esam getting those perfect shields, cant watch past this
esam>nairo
nairo>zero
therefore, esam>zero
+Very Doge Lol
Insane that people dealt with playing with only 2 stocks. Just the dumbest thing.
Nairo is my nigga! His Dark Pit is nice!
I just don't understand why this guy uses zero suit samus-
*Pika intensifies*
Esam vs Willy Smith
Didn't know Dark Pit had a spike.
+Rotomu Generally, a characters have a move that can spike
Some don't.... cough* Doc and Fox
Actually, Fox's Fair can spike if you can hit it at the sweetspot
From the future.
Slam Dunk F-Air of Dr.
B-Air sweetspot (low spike right) Foc
I feel Nairo is falling off a bit. I would hate to see him go.
+Matthew Watts Things got better since you said this. He won at Paragon when Zero did not show up for it :)
+Quad-A Good. I love to watch him play, but since I have gone back to college, I have not had the opportunity to watch.
+Jack O'Riordan Watch his pools rounds. He styles a bit more.
Nairo has a terrible time with Esam if he doesn't play Doc.
Esam won that 2nd map.
Esam FTW
nairoApex nairoApex nairoApex
esam has swag he makes zero run for his money his pikachu though
i need to add like 50 more likes
Nairo is still better lol
swag yo
Zero wins in grand finals just so you all know
***** no shit
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Q1
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10th
Third
1st
Blue shell
lol
Saitama wins