Zero SR/S - The Pros & Cons of riding Electric Motorcycles
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- The argument for and against electric motorcycles continue to be debated amongst bikers, so I wanted to take a look at the Pros & Cons of riding one, based on my experiences. I am riding a Zero SR/S in the is video, but my opinions are based on riding a number of different models.
I cover the main talking points of Noise, Performance, Cost and riding pleasure whilst looking at a few other key deciders.
This is, of course, an argument with no winner or loser as it's very much based on how you use a motorcycle, but hopefully, I've covered some of the key points.
A big thanks to English Electric Motor Company for the use of the Zero SR/S;
www.englishelectricmotorco.com/
Also, a thank you to Gridserve, Braintree for accomodating me;
www.gridserve.com/braintree-o...
and finally, if you want to find out more about Zero Motorcycles;
www.zeromotorcycles.com/en-gb
If you like the gloves I'm wearing in the video, you can buy them here - tinyurl.com/urbaneproglove
Intro - 00:00
Noise - 00:52
Performance - 04:03
Weight - 06:27
Range & Charging - 07:19
Maintenance & Servicing - 11:05
Prices - 12:35
Riding pleasure - 13:07
Cable carrying - 17:10
Ease of charging - 17:52
Conclusion - 20:14 - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Apologies for the few seconds of blank screen at 01:25. Not sure what the issue is as my master video is fine. The only way to remedy it is to most likely re-upload as a new video?
I wouldn't worry Tony - it's 9 seconds only
Sometimes editing software will spit out renders with errors like this. Honestly if I hadn’t even read your comment I would have assumed it was an issue on my end. Don’t think you should worry about it mate.
What jacket you wearing?
I used to be a petrolhead too, for 30 years. Then I had a go on an SR/F. Couldn't get it out of my head. So I bought one (SR/F). Don't miss noise, petrol stations, vibration, gears, clutches, or chain lube, at all. It's just fantastic to ride. I too get 100 miles or so out of mine with a bit left in reserve. I don't have a charge tank, yet (haven't really needed it) but might get one so that I can expand my touring ability a bit. Right now, touring is definitely off the cards. Either you're the only one with the electric bike and hold everyone up for 2 hours, or in the near future, you'll all have electric bikes, and there won't be enough chargers for all of you to charge up at the same time. I expect that'll get better over the next decade...
I think you're absolutely right, I don't want to be a burden to my friends when we tour
I own an EV and a Street Scrambler, I really want to try one of these. Our car has cost less than £20 in ‘fuel’ across 2200 miles. I rarely ride more than 100 miles (the Scrambler is usually done at about 125) so I think i could integrate this into my world. Thanks for the review!
Really enjoy your reviews, concise without any silly nonsense and plenty of information and sensible opinion. Thanks for that.
I appreciate that!
Thanks Tony. A good summation of where we're at with electric bikes, and some useful critique of the usual gripes. Personally, I think the (relative) lack of noise is a very positive environmental impact. On that note, it's interesting that you fail to mention what is arguably the most important 'pro', which is the lesser damage these machines cause to our ecology in comparison with the internal combustion engine.
Thanks Mark, I thought the ecological reasoning was a given 👍
@@mancavemoto I'd like to think you're right.
@@mancavemoto The noise pollution element is undersold a wee bit, perhaps.
In my video, or in general? I thought I was making a decent point of it?
@@mancavemoto I thought you did address it sufficiently, and acknowledged both sides of what can be a sensitive debate. The quietness for me is a big selling point, and is something that I hope bikers and pedestrians just get used to.
I've had a zero DSR for 3 days, and I'm totally converted. For what I use it for its beyond incredible. Puts more adrenaline filled smiles on my face than my ZZR1400 ever did, and that bike was incredible.
I find the lack of noise so much more relaxing than having an engine when pulling up at a junction and listening to the birds singing, then taking off to 60 in the blink of an eye.
I've got my custom power mode set up for full torque, regen but top speed of 70, all the fun but protecting my licence as well. Your also always in the perfect gear no matter what you want to do
I find weight on my DSR absolutely perfect, as flickable as my F800ST
I do want to get the charge tank fitted to make longer trips more viable. Currently its 90 miles for 9 hours charge, a charge tank takes it to 90 minutes, but you rarely go all the way to 0%, its normally a quick top up as and when you can.
Loud pipes safe lives is a myth put out by Harley Davidson riders as an excuse to have ridiculously loud exhausts...
Yep, I think it may have been relevant many years ago, but not anymore
we are definately divided in two parts - you who believe that and us who believe in the opposite. You won't believe us the same way we won't agree with you...
Maybe it’s an age thing, but I’m finding everything a bit loud these days. Thinking of putting the standard pipes back on my bike as it makes my head buzz after a longish journey.
Quite liking the idea of an electric bike where the only real noise is the wind, would make for a more relaxing ride. Maybe I’d miss the braap initially but I’m sure that would pass.
Initial cost and charging are definitely a big hindrance.
Having owned an Energica Eva for the last 3 years, I was initiated into the dark secrets around EV bikes. I loved the ride of the bike - fast and silent. It also has built in DC fast charging so it theoretically solves that problem. It also claimed 125 mile realistic range which again seems perfect. Charging - many charging stations are broken or don't properly recognize the bike. How many times have you had to drive/ride 12 miles to the next nearest fueling station - when your tank is on empty? Range - I never got better than 83 miles of range and that was will every eco move I could make - tuck in, full regen, ride below the speed limit. Speed absolutely destroys range. I had a 43 mile commute that I could go 75 mph. With a full charge from the dealer, it couldn't make it home. It would only do about 38 miles. Range anxiety is real. We aren't there yet with motorcycles.
If you switch regen off entirely, and learn to coast the motorcycle, even though it's counter-intuitive, the range actually increases. The regen is great for giving the bike the feel of engine braking, and obviously for handling/grip purposes, but if you're after max range, no regen is the way to go. The distance you can coast far exceeds the distance that you put back into the battery.
Either you weigh 600 pounds, or your bike is screwed. There's no way that your range should be that low.
Dare I say.... what an electrifying review. Quite a jolt of information :-) It seriously was! Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I'm really excited about Leccy Bikes, can't wait to get one. What's holding me back at the mo is looks, cost & charge time/availability. Once the big players get involved it will be an easy decision. One of the Pros are engine simplicity/lack of moving parts, meaning servicing charges will be much, much less. I had a DCT bike for a while and loved not having to think about changing gear so I'm looking forward to no gearbox. Bear in mind the only reason we have gearboxes is to over come the restrictions of an internal combustion engine.
Best tip from the video: go try one, before you judge. I have helped a few times with test riding events. Everyone shows a big smile when they take their helmet off and is positively surprised. Own the SR/S myself. Solved the purchase price with a montly loan.
Makes a nice change for a non-owner to be saying things an owner says. I've done 18k miles on mine and will be doing a long term review soon. Well done for being clear and concise with no unnecessary motovlogger waffle. Cheers. ☺
Thanks I’ll keep an eye out for your video. It’s a cracking bike
Well argued and balanced points. I tend to agree with what you said. I also think along the lines of Ryan (FortNine): the real market for electric two wheelers at the moment is urban mobility.
Yes I think that is where they are gaining a foothold
Very informative video, thank you for your efforts!
great video cheers. definitely fancy a ride on one of those. side question, which gopro version are you using? image quality is excellent.
Cheers, deffo worth trying one out. The gopro on my helmet is an 8 black and the gopro looking at me is a 9 black
@@mancavemoto thanks for the info. 👍
Great review 👍🏽 however, electric motorcycles limited range is a issue with me and the availability of charging port.
Charging points are every where. The issue for me is the time it takes to charge
I believe the industry will standardize batteries and you can do a quick swap at a station like you do with bar b que propane tanks. it's just a matter of time.
Great video, I personally think electric bikes are the way forward. I just read of a guy that did Lands End to JofG on one and it cost him under £20. Admittedly he spent long hours in Tesco using their free charging points but it provides what can be done with some forward planning.
Yep, you need to think a little diferently, plan your journeys more and allow more time
Excellent practical list of pros and cons 👍! I’m a died in the wool “petrol head”, but as manufacturing volume increases and production costs come down I can see myself adding an electric motorcycle of some form to my personal “fleet”. I don’t think at this point I’d consider one as my only bike, only because where I live the range needed is just not there yet. Will electric bikes replace my love of taking a vintage bike out for a run and making a little noise ? Nope 🤪.
Cheers, yes at the moment it would need to be a second bike. Nothing wrong with a bit of noise and we wouldn't want to see vintage bikes not being ridden.
no one should have an only bike...1 for each mood works for me.
Hi Tony, As usual I really enjoyed your video, as they are always top class. I, like you am a petro head. Due to my age (69) & the number of mcy's that I own, it is not a consideration for me in owning one. Also I have to sell a couple of bikes so I can purchase my 1st ever Triumph before I kick the bucket! I can see how these Zero's will be good for our environment & other reason's. A big shout out to all you Brit's & forever remembering Sir Winston Churchill. Your friend from across the pond. Have a great day everyone. Illinois, USA
Thanks Larry, much appreciated. Ride safe
Thank you for the detailed video....
No problem
Best review of the SR/S. Thanks!
Cheers
Great review! I would miss the visceral experience of an ICE. An EV car sure, I would love that but I like the noise and vibration of a bike.
The torque and low maintenance of an elec bike is very attractive tho. My elec mountain bike is a blast.
After six years of mediocre sales, Zero sadly stopped selling here in Australia in 2017.
electric motors do make a noise and as you get used to it ,it is beautiful and satisfying
Would love to try one. Only prob here in Australia is range. Recently rode around Australia in some places its 250/300km between road houses and at this stage lacking charge points.
Still a long way to go with electric bikes, but they are getting better all the time. I don’t know that range will ever match that of some combustion bikes, but I hope it improves
This pros and cons review is really informative. Did you try simply charging the bike from the usual socket we all have in the garage and, if so, how long does it take? This is where these bikes will usually get charged. Also, do you know how does the insurance compare to an ice equivalent bike? Thanks.
Thanks, yes I did charge it at home with a standard three pin plug and I should have included that in the video. From empty you are looking at around 7 to hours to fully charge.
in the states the insurance is comparable to a mid size bike. slow charging can take 7 or more hours. I have about a 100 mile butt anymore so the range isn't an issue for me. if they made a more comfortable cruiser style bike it may become an issue. ps I love petrol bikes also, electric is just another type of fun.
Thx for an informative video. What about depreciation over say 5 yrs vs ICE bikes of similar performance ?
Time will tell on that one, we just dont have enough data at the moment. I suspect it will be higher?
A group ride of e-bikes would cause a problem as the charging points only seem to come in pairs (ie max of two.bikes charging at any given time)!
That’s were the zap map comes in handy to find spots where there are multiple charging points. The network of chargers is growing pretty quickly in the UK but they can still be sparse.
The joys of the open road seems to have it's days numbered with digital speed control, riding vintage on bio fuel may be a thing?
I think your right about the charge time is what putting people off. I ride a ZX12R so I only get 120miles per tank anyway I would like to know what the torque is like compared to the ZX12R and battery life in beast mode :D or sport . but the future is Electric and there isnt much we can do about it . now if you could put 2 extra batteries in the companions and stretch it our to 300 miles and an hour charge would be great or a 15 min charge for the 120 miles
Can you use the likes of an Optimate if it’s just sitting in your garage?
You can just plug it into a normal 3 pin socket
Great video - your perspective is excellent Tony.
From a noise side I think they're brilliant.
We need to be collectively much more responsible about noise if we want to avoid enforced restrictions.
We wont of course and so there will be strict noise limits introduced in the UK in a few years time.
Whether you like it or not, agree with it or not, think it infringes on your freedoms or not, nobody cares - it'll happen unless we (as a group) quickly get a handle on this.
And when it happens I can give you a cast iron guarantee that we'll piss and moan about it and say it's not fair like the emotional children we are.
For me, electric bikes aren't there yet for principally VFM (which encompasses price and range backed up by good, available infrastructure) but I'm sure they'll get there eventually.
I'll try one though - my S1000XR is in for a service soon and Cannons in Witham are Zero dealers I believe?
I agree Nigel, there have been calls already local to me for 'Noise Cameras' to be installed. It tends to be the busybodies and fun police leading the charge, but even as a 'biker' i find some exhausts downright offensive. Cannons are indeed a Zero dealer, let me know what you think
Great video 👍....cost to fill up was £2.32 + coffee + sandwich. Had it been a petrol fill up the cost would not have been much more however it seemed the bike performed very well 👌
😁 it was lunchtime, I still would have had the coffee and a sandwich on my normal bike 😉👍
@@mancavemoto Great back & forth from you both. Point well taken on both sides. I enjoyed that. Thanks!
I would love to own a Zero, but I usually ride between 240 and 400 miles a day, so it just wouldn't work for me. If they offered a long range version, maybe 200 miles and improve the recharging time somehow, then I would be more interested.
As far as loud pipes save lives, that is BS. I've owned motorcycles since the early 60's and I know by the time a deer hears those loud pipes you just past the deer. I guess it would work if you were driving 60mph in reverse, but not forward.
Yep, and thankfully charging times are coming down. I agree about the loud pipes
What jacket are you wearing in this video please??
It’s the Klim Drifter, one of my favourite jackets. Comfortable, AA rated with d3o armour and casual looking too
the problem is once you get put of the suburbs there are no even level 2 public chargers with the Finger Lakes! Look it up!
The infrastructure does need to catch up, particularly in more rural areas, but thats quite a specific area.
Tony, what jacket are you wearing?
It’s a Klim Drifter
I have been watching Tacita in Italy they make the T cruise an electric cruiser with choice of battery capacity and they come with a 5 speed transmission.
On Battery recharging I know for the e scooters and smaller bikes there are companies working on swappable Battery packs for the city that work but a cruise out to the country I would be looking at another type of Motorcycle.
I like EV's myself, the tech is there but there is a lot of room for improvement.
I used to be Auto- Moto photojournalist and I got into the EV scene when it first started years ago when the Nissan Leaf, the BMW i3 were coming out, I test rode a Zero years ago and was impressed with the torque and instant throttle, I test rode the liveWire a few times but its expensive to insure almost 4k for me, I live near Los Angeles its expensive here and for almost 30k I buy a couple of bikes and nice used car for Rainy days.
Looks very promising. Will have to wait I imagine. For big transcontinental crossings like we have in Australia, we're going to have to wait until we get closer service centres e.g., Sydney to Perth is about 4,000km (2,500miles) by road across the mighty Nullarbor. On a big bike, like a beemer, you can carry extra fuel, just in case, but if you were to run out of power, it can be bloody dangerous and frustrating. It's not like you can bum a ride from a passing road train to pick up some extra kilowatts and then carry those kws back to the bike. Wondering if e-bikes might eventually get competition from hydrogen-powered bikes.
Electric Bikes re still a compromise at the moment, it'll be interesting to see what happens with hydrogen power, as I think thats a better long term solution to pure electric cars, maybe it could work for bikes, but form factor is a consideration of course
A great review
Great Video.
I had a response from The English Electric Motor Company on this
"150k - 250k miles till it falls below 80% SOC (state of charge) - batteries are currently sent for recycling, however we are working on a system to repair, modify and even upgrade them. They also can have a second life as stationary power sources for homes with solar etc".
Like your review, very matter of fact. You also appear open to new tech. If the power grid goes down for a while, how do you recharge, a generator? Right on!
Thanks and yep sadly thats about the only option.
I wouldn't try that.
I don't know where you live but in my part of the country all the fuel pumps are electrically operated. How do you get petrol during a power cut?
Good review, although it'll be a long time before I get an electric bike.
price, range, weight and refill (charge) time. Sort those out, and i'd be happy with an electric bike.
The electric bikes worth having are around twice the price of a similar petrol powered machine, with lots of inconveniences.
I realise in theory that servicing should be less on an electric bike, so long as battery replacement isn't taken into account.
I'm not a fan of "illegally noisy pipes save lives" theory , a euro 3, 4 or 5 pipe sound is useful in town centre situations.
I did see that there was an idea being mooted that if a electric car is going less than 20 MPH , they should make a sound when moving.
Sometimes I would like silence, on an empty country road noise is not needed most of the time. I reckon electric bikes do need a moderate simulated bike sound for town centres, say around euro 5 levels.
I am open to the idea of a electric motorcycle. I just think the prices need to come down to a realistic level. And we need more charging points. What biker cafe is going to be the first to put them in?
I know The Bike Shed and the Ace Cafe both have charging points on site. Admittedly they are both in London. But then who's to say that the charging sites dont become the bike cafes of the future?!😀
nice video, my thought is that the range will have to be better in the future, otherwise nice bike. greetings from belgium
Thanks, yes either range, or probably more likely will be faster charging.
What about insurance? any thoughts on cost?
Good Point, its not something I checked out, would be interesting to see if they differ from 'normal' bikes?
With the addons, it’ll run 30k here in the US.
Wish I could afford it. I’m going have to stick with my gasoline bike ‘til these kinds of bikes are more affordable.
I like your reviews.
Yes, the price is prohibitive for a lot of potential buyers at the moment. Thanks for the comment
@@mancavemoto Thanks for the review!
I’ve avoided looking at reviews on electric motorcycles or reading about them… They sound exciting but the ones that can reach highway speed and have a range at around 100 miles all seem very expensive and since I know I can’t afford them I just haven’t looked at them…
…but what you said about noise fatigue really struck a chord with me.
For the first five or 10 minutes, the sound of my motorcycle is thrilling. A half hour and my ride, the noise is still kind of fun…but after a while it’s just loud. As I get older, the idea of gliding quickly and silently through countryside sounds pretty darn excellent.
Key items will be helmet storage and bag space in a small package. Range is an issue but over time that will increase.
Shad has a case and pannier set for the SR/F and SR/S. I have the 39 liter topcase and soft panniers
We also need more Tonys Tiny Tours!
Cheers Nigel, I'm working on them, but the previous ones didn't seem too popular?
@@mancavemoto I gues it's the nature of East of England focussed stuff sometimes?
I know a few others and me certainly did like 'em though
40yrs+ old school biker and since a test ride on a srs OMG now owner of srf i sold all my ice bikes and zero deffo put the fun back into motorcycles for me ..190nm of torque no other bike got that accleration fact ,once you go eleccy theres no turning back, as petrol bikes just wont cut the mustard
I think if I owned that bike I might make myself a bit more conspicuous, to counteract the fact that you're silent.. Like wearing a brighter coloured jacket and helmet.
Love the look of them,
I think this is a lovely looking bike
@@mancavemoto looks great I the grey, would love one.
A mad silent bullet!
GR-R-R-REAT review!!!
Glad you enjoyed it
Any idea what the battery cell life is? And cost to place ...and what happens to the old batteries when they die. I am of the understanding that the batteries are for one life cycle only and cannot be re used once spent . Will they make a battery island in a far away place .
I hope before these become the norm that someone comes up with an answer to the battery problem because I have yet to here 😉
Typically six or seven years minimum. Replacement batteries in the States are about £1600
The SR/* battery packs are £6k but guaranteed for 5 years. They do go wrong, occasionally. Once they've degraded to the point they're not much use for vehicles, they make very good storage systems for domestic use with solar and wind.
More than 100.000 miles when you take care of them. When the capacity is 80% or less, they can be refurbished for other stationary solutions. And the end of that life (which can be 20 years or more), the materials can be recycled for 90%.
indeed - also I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of bikes I've seen with 6 figure mileages in my rather long riding career so longevity is perhaps a bit overrated...
You forgot to change your speedo setting from km to miles :P
yeah, I forget to do that quite often 😀
I suppose that one issue not discussed is battery longevity. If I pay 14 grand for a new bike, I want to know that after 4 years or so I can sell it or trade it in for a decent price. On a combustion powered motorcycle, worn bits can generally be replaced, but replacing a battery which has reduced efficiency due to age is not a realistic proposition, as the main cost of the machine is its battery.
Yes still a bit of an unknown, but Zero say the battery will still retain 80% of its capacity at 200,000 miles
I own a 2018 S model, and it still has the same range as new. The bike will be completely worn out by the time the battery is degraded. Like has already been said, the battery will last over 200,000 miles. At that point, you've MORE than got your money out of the machine.
The price is currently (see what I did there?) prohibitive for 99% of us. Even with the price of petrol at £1.30 a litre the 4000 miles a year that I do on my tiger 800 means it would take 20 years to break even. If the government imposes an electricity tax to replace the lost tax on hydrocarbon fuels then that makes the break even still more of a nonsense. I don't have 20 years left to me - that's why I'll never have an electric motorcycle.
Yep, nice one. True, the prices need to come down, but people do spend that kind of money on combustion engined bikes tbf.
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Always makes me wonder why people in villages are so against noisy bikes yet fill the sound of their villages with noisy grass strimmers and mowers!!! It will be interesting as time goes by to see if they are anti noise or really just anti bike.🤔
Maybe they’re “anti unnecessary noise”? Granted the other appliances can be battery powered, but I would guess most people take more issue with cars and bikes with loud exhausts etc when there “isn’t a need”
The Zero motorcycles are only "Level 2" quick charge. They cannot fast DC charge (Level 3). That is a big negative to me. I hear some folks do aftermarket mods to allow "Level 3" - but now you're violating the warranty.
Yep AC charging only, but the charge tank does allow for much faster charges
I can see pedestrians stepping out in front of electric bikes, but I bet that immediate torque is fun. I quite like the whine, as well.
Yep it can happen, as you saw in the video, but as electric cars become more common people will start to look more than listen hopefully
They don't. Just before they do, they hear the whine and the rolling of the tires.
Has happened to me: a lady started crossing the road and was very surprised to see me there (though I anticipated that she would cross). Funny enough I keep saying to myself that I either need to start using my horn more or get a bell or something lol
Does this electric bike have CURSE? If it's good enough power to ratio for an F1 and other cars etc then why not please? Another good vid for your channel 👍
There is 'Regenerative Braking' on the Zero and you can dial in how much via the Zero app. Glad you liked it, cheers
Thank you for replying 🙂 👍
I watched this video for 3.47......to uninspiring for me, I prefer the noise, feel and the occasion of riding my bike (ktm 1290 super duke gt) the argument about the noise from walkers is well its not constant noise...more of a here comes some noisy motorcycle and now he's gone...so for me I'll stick with what I have....👍👍
Fair Enough, thanks for watching
These are great, though their range is what stops myself.
I'm sure that will improve. If the infrastructure getss better and charging times reduce dramatically, the range is less of an issue
man.... all they need to do is add another motor on the front wheel and use it as a generator/ aka alternator. This will charge the battery while you are driving and will greatly increase battery range
I don't think its that easy, otherwise they would be doing it already. It does have regenerative braking which goes a tiny way to getting something back into the battery.
@@mancavemoto ahhhhhggg get ota here..... dude look at all this tech and shit we humans created. Hard? No man... it was never thought of. The only problem is the thermals. Also it will NOT charge the battery in full. Its to help extend the mileage on the battery. Instead of 100 mile per charge, it will be 200 or 300 extra, because the generator is slowing down the battery burn rate
@@KyzoFox: But the question still stands: if you’re going to fit a generator to the front wheel to recover that energy, why wouldn’t you instead use less power when using the accelerator, or use the motor you already have for regenerative braking? I can only see fitting a separate generator just wasting energy, regenerative braking happening when you’re not accelerating but don’t need to brake is bad enough as it is…
@@fetchstixRHD literally put an Altenator on the front wheel. Have less braking resistance which is possible but can generate enough current and voltage to keep the battery from dying so quick
Somebody give this man a Nobel Prize for Physics!
I think once the infrastructure is better equipped they’ll be good
Agree, but it is getting better quite quickly, when i had a look on the Zap Map, there were a lot more charging points than I knew about
It is already better. You can charge this over work / diner / night at any household socket, using the granny charger cable (3 kW). No one has a petrol station at home or work.
lost you at @1:25 for a few seconds..
Weird, not sure what that was. I’ll double check. Thanks for letting me know Andy
Too expensive to buy, range to low and zero (no pun intended) second hand value as the cost is in the batteries with a finite life. Why anyone would buy one is beyond me - unless super rich of course.
That’s not actually true. The replacement batteries cost about £1600 for the Zero. Expect at least 6 years from them so, with negligible servicing costs, that’s no more cost (probably cheaper) than servicing your petrol bike. The cost is very high but is coming down and with lower fuel costs, tax etc will soon become insignificant. Not sure I understand why only the super rich would buy one. For me the big issue is charging time.
@@richardbrooks4549 because of the initial cost of nearly £28,000. The limited range and long charging times will presumably improve as technology improves as motors become more efficient etc. This means that the depreciation on these models will be huge . So you have to be rich to indulge yourself with a bike like this compared to perhaps spending half the price on a new better equipped petrol engined bike with an unlimited range and proper residuals.
@@Hemlck I think this model is £19590. I agree they’re not worth buying now but in 2 or 3 years things will be very different. It’s not all about the upfront costs. Ongoing costs are just as important
@@Hemlck At least you now agree the price is not all in the battery :)
@@richardbrooks4549 this model features the extras like power tank extra batteries etc to give it the 100mile range .. hence the £28,000 price . Also not sure where you get a price of £1600 for new batteries. According to info I got when I looked into it previously the batteries cost one third to one half the cost of the bike? Maybe they came down in price over the last year?
Come on their shit
50 mins!!!! I can fill my bike in less than 5 mins . I really hope the lack of minerals required for batteries means these bikes die out before they get of the ground . Christ , a trip to Cornwall would mean stopping for hours just to change. Useless 🤔😏