Oracle really is overlooked, I got 12 ranked wins in a row using the spell amplification facet as pos 4/5 building locket first, 2 points on purifying flames at lvl 3 then bully their carry or offlaner. You can disarm their carries that heavily relies on right clicks, or you can use it on your allies to protect them from magic dmg nukes and you still have your ult for when they're getting really low. That is 5 seconds (at max) of not worrying that you'll get nuked with mgc damage or 5 seconds of disarm on their carry, plus 10 seconds (from maxed ult) of just dishing out damage as a carry because you can't die and there's always a chance that your carry will live after that 10 seconds just from 20 charges of holy locket and your heals.
On Lich, I take growing cold facet, since your chain frost and frost shield benefits from it, frost shield will be a 60% damage reduction skill (at maxed) that lasts longer than a teamfight plus it damages for 60 and slows for 35%, you can also use it on buildings making it harder for the enemy to push highground. Your chain frost gains 1 bonus jump on a creep kill and 3 bonus jumps from hero kill, with each jump amplifies the dmg, making it as good if not better than the lingering chain frost facet.
Speed, I Always follow the highest winrate heros/meta in order to climb MMR. This time, I spamed Abbadon, like a Billion time, seriously, I probably played like 100 or 150 games as Abbadon, and I started as archon 3 and Now I'm ancient 1. Nobody ban/pick him. And when it gets ban, I just pick Lich/Warlock.
@@69bangredthey probably meant as support since they said theyll choose lich/warlock if they ban him. Abaddon is such a strong sustain support with his kit, especially with his shield since its a strong dispel and can dispel most disables. Been playing this since before the facet release and I can win everytime with strong cores. But recently, i cant win because of stupid cores making stupid decisions, making me unsure whether to spam him now.
The grimoire is a tempo facet but it has a long initial cooldown so a good minute 0 fight won't lead to a quick lane advantage. Usually you won't play for kills with Warlock before level 6 so you can't count on it to reliably accelerate your ulti timing either. As pubs usually go late anyway the window where the book facet is better than the golem burn one shrinks and if your team cannot capitalize on it reliably I'd recommend picking the golem one.
As someone who exclusively plays support role (I don't play any other role), the one hero who trumps over all is Disruptor. If you've got a team with proper carries that know how to play around his long-range abilities maneuvering and repositioning, it's a won game. His shard also grants vision temporarily for uphill sieges which gives your team advantage and can reveal hidden enemies. Let alone it's very hard to escape his glimpse on heroes that can jump in/out, making retreat futile. Plus, his ultimate with ags muting items and silencing makes heroes practically useless in fights.
The Thing with Disruptor is that the meta is about Ranged Carries,and except for Morph u cant do shit if someone just stand his ground and 3 hit u.Its A Matchup dependent hero,cuz one game u own the enemy Cores and the other you get killed like a CM.
About warlock, the only reason i can think on why its popular, the golems are actually scaling, which means it's actually harder to high ground. Most of the time when i face with enemy warlock with few items, 80% of it made them made a comeback.
Imo, warlock is popular in lower mmr bcs everyone is less coordinated, (less rotation, clumped fights, no respect over his Q and E) and it's just bonkers. It works less in higher mmr bcs people will work around that spell. Kiting his ults, backing away from Q and E, and doing aggressive move when his ult is on CD
AA is very underrated. I'm playing it as pos 4 and pos 5 and reached from Guardian to Crusader and OMW to Archon (150 MMR away) by spamming this with 90% same builds hero only and Lich.
A little more on Warlock ... Grimoire isn't going to have an effect on every game. Warlock doesn't really care about levels once your skills are maxed. If you're winning fights, you're gaining levels anyway. Gorroth scales and will have an effect in every game. Warlock at level 15 with green boots is a 50% increase on golem immolation damage. Get Locket for mana sustain. (Frankly, how is this not THE THING.) Drums / Bearing make your golem(s) shred everything. (Frankly, how is THIS not ALSO the thing.) This hero's winrate is only going to rise as people get off the Glimmer Cape / Upheaval build.
Thing with aa is he can't make things happen. I realized for me I need a hero that can contribute alot like abadon everyone wasting their ultimate on me and my team cleans up. Warlock one of the best counter spell caster
I think if you take the exposure facet he's actually insane, significantly better as a core b/c he can just buy any stupid midgame item the team needs. orcid, shivas, radiance, spirit vessel, gleipnir, witch blade, whatever. He just forces the whole team to split with his q, just basically a lich ult with like 4 sec of downtime.
I enjoy naga these days SOOO MUCH. Hope they wont nerf her supp version to the ground. Last nerfs hit hard buy its ok, arcanes are more expensive but I still go solar - greaves - blink and we just win. Good pair with SF on lane and throughout the game too
Champion of Gorroth is Broken just because in Turbo Mode Warlock is abusive and arguably the best Hero in the Game.Laning Stage is kinda mid,but after Lanes Breaks out you Win Teamfights single handedly with Shard,and then u can buy your Big Items cuz its Turbo and be even scarier on Lategame.
"if you're not getting run over, which tends not to happen in your average puns" Bro, every single game is either you getting run over and running over the other team.
The reason for Champion of Gorroth on Warlock has higher winrate is the aghs into refresher build 1. When u get 4 or 5 golem its 90% of your mana and hp regen x 5 (it stacks really well with multiple golems) 2. Also refresher gives alot of hp and mana regen
Gorroth facet is good because in low level pubs warlock always get ridiculous farm and make the game drag on and then just buy tarrasque and people overcommit on him b/c they keep dying to him. I imagine at high levels the facet falls off real hard. Though I really think there is a stupid angle with the new alch shard for an extra like 36 dps per golem. with the full heart sange scepter refresher and holy locket on the alch you get about 1k dps on the burn with the 4 golems. Though tbf only like 250 of that dmg is from the alch but that still feels kinda disgusting.
for the most annoying supports right now in my rank are abaddon and warlock Abaddon that keeps protecting his cores is just so annoying and his scepter is just so good and warlock is just so good defending high ground and because of him the game is getting dragged to late game and that gives time for cores to build their items
I tested the warlock facets in demo. Just bought the typical items on 2 warlocks with aghs where one is using champion of gorroth and one isn't. Just throw down a golem and send him to an enemy and ull see the insane difference in burn dps its like triple and thats without fatal bonds. Once u have aghs refresher if u even get a 2 man fatal bonds these 2 men get solo killed instantly by u. The xp facet is cool and all but the other one scales extremely hard its like u cant even win team fights anymore vs this hero
Its like each golem is doing more dps around them than radiance (depending on ur items) and u have 4 of them and u have fatal bonds u can see how this is broken. Only issue is reaching that timing. If u do and position well and be patient with putting down ur insanely long cooldown spells its game over
While I really like clockwerk in terms of design, I feel like as a support - he just feeds, sacrifices himself too much to set off an unreliable ability in his W. His passive should give him way more damage, he should be a proper offlane tank with some damage
nah, he is very fun and just a weird hero to pilot, get some games in and you will feel it. Just don`t feed. Try to buy a force staff. Hook in and force out. Never die. Its just a positioning problem imo. Good luck!
clockwerk are meant to be menacing early in the game, but fall off later. At that point, you are doing less tanking and more of sniping important target. Its not uncommon for you to get up to 2 or 3 survival items in top of shard. At late game, you are simply not doing enough trade vs fed core.
Warlock, try having two or three hearts and refresher, literally the 4 gokems can clear any towers unless 5 man ganks them Doesn't even matter , the hero will survive most fights with two hearts
I disagree with playing oracle, most of the time people pick trash hc and you having a hero who doesn't scale gd to late will make you get more losses than wins, remember Peruvian and Russian pubs players are there. PS: I'm Peruvian.
Treant should be in pos 5... Its kinda still good hero after getting nerf for ms 2% when you are in the trees and holy locket 30% to 25%.. I am a turbo player now but as a challenge with my friend i just rank up legend 1 to ancient 1 in just 8 days lol.. with this hero
Quickening Abaddon is stupid nasty. You said Ogre Magi about best shard buyer, and for me Abaddon will be the second. Shard make him a ranged support, kinda mandatory item tbh. a nice pos 4 ranged hero. He is melee, yeah but he is also a range coil spammers with shard. A hero die, and you will cast another Coil. Add Khanda to it, then it become mini version of Axe's Culling. Its funny how much Khanda blast thru their health with sharded Coils. Mana boots/soul ring, and shard and thats it for all game (its the basic omni knight item). Use avernus skill tree and you can go crazy. You will be able to support team clashes early. goes with Phylactery (Khanda if it goes really late). Which is will be quite often since Abaddon is lower ranker pubstomp, which means will goes late often in this bracket. He also a proper scaling hero. Avernus and shield making him a nice pushers should everything goes late. Personally, after Khanda, I goes Manta for his clones Avernus. It really makes them creep wave hit the towers hard. Low rankers dont know how to push and supports need to do this themselves. The assignment is simple. Linger around in back line. Shield teammate that got initiated on. and just spam them coils. Enemy wont goes hunt Abaddon to initiate, simply because no one in the right mind will initiate on him. If you have more than three brain cells, you wont initiate on an Abaddon. His ult is a free Aeon Disk. Just start practice to activate it manually, Axe, PA, SF, and WK love to punch thru the 400 damage threshold. If the game become 60 minute, he become the 3rd or 4th hitters. You already have Khanda, just buy Abyssal, Skadi, and Shiva to counter carry. Abaddon is my secondary pick for supports. Second only Warlock. Simply because DUH!?!?!
idk how can u manage to get those items at 50mini of game and I think aghnem, holy locket and crimson guard/glimmer is more useful than a absyal skadi or shiva. Idk about your rank now I am ancient 3 and 68% winrate with abbadon above 250+ games.
@@jarrolightfeather4703 but phoenix is: faster, has double the hp of aa, has an escape, doesnt need manaregen cause egg restores all, will always do damage nomatter how the fight goes, has heal, has high damage, has insane hp regen, can safe allies with aghs, has is own „kit“ with atkspeed reduce and chance to miss (the egg), has big spikes early levels just as later, CAN GO IN! And aa dies in 1sec once he crossed river… The real trick on aa is just to never cross the river, it makes the team somuch weaker if his ult has only 200 radius and gets insta blown up… Yeah you can try to hide… and if the enemy is really bad, they will not kill you first…. But comon phoenix is one of the easiest heros of all.. you click your spells the enemys die, you can combo it with EVERY hero its always strong… Aa just is really strong if he lanes with someone that can lock down on his coldfeet and can tank for him… like a ck sven wk etc
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Getting aa as pos 5 in low rank feels like exchanging a support for another range creep
Then they rush arcane boots aghs no regen no wards
Oracle really is overlooked, I got 12 ranked wins in a row using the spell amplification facet as pos 4/5 building locket first, 2 points on purifying flames at lvl 3 then bully their carry or offlaner. You can disarm their carries that heavily relies on right clicks, or you can use it on your allies to protect them from magic dmg nukes and you still have your ult for when they're getting really low. That is 5 seconds (at max) of not worrying that you'll get nuked with mgc damage or 5 seconds of disarm on their carry, plus 10 seconds (from maxed ult) of just dishing out damage as a carry because you can't die and there's always a chance that your carry will live after that 10 seconds just from 20 charges of holy locket and your heals.
On Lich, I take growing cold facet, since your chain frost and frost shield benefits from it, frost shield will be a 60% damage reduction skill (at maxed) that lasts longer than a teamfight plus it damages for 60 and slows for 35%, you can also use it on buildings making it harder for the enemy to push highground. Your chain frost gains 1 bonus jump on a creep kill and 3 bonus jumps from hero kill, with each jump amplifies the dmg, making it as good if not better than the lingering chain frost facet.
True support ❤
The quickening on abbadon is insane got like 80% winrate on 40 games playing any pos just going solar+auras
Speed, I Always follow the highest winrate heros/meta in order to climb MMR. This time, I spamed Abbadon, like a Billion time, seriously, I probably played like 100 or 150 games as Abbadon, and I started as archon 3 and Now I'm ancient 1. Nobody ban/pick him. And when it gets ban, I just pick Lich/Warlock.
I do the same until I was immortal too!! Keep going!
I agree Man, I was stuck at Archon using lich and warlock. When I use abaddon. Im now legend 1 in just a week of using it
You should try treant/omni.
Didn't they nerf tf out of him recent months? His passive doesn't even silence them anymore lol
@@69bangredthey probably meant as support since they said theyll choose lich/warlock if they ban him. Abaddon is such a strong sustain support with his kit, especially with his shield since its a strong dispel and can dispel most disables. Been playing this since before the facet release and I can win everytime with strong cores. But recently, i cant win because of stupid cores making stupid decisions, making me unsure whether to spam him now.
The grimoire is a tempo facet but it has a long initial cooldown so a good minute 0 fight won't lead to a quick lane advantage. Usually you won't play for kills with Warlock before level 6 so you can't count on it to reliably accelerate your ulti timing either. As pubs usually go late anyway the window where the book facet is better than the golem burn one shrinks and if your team cannot capitalize on it reliably I'd recommend picking the golem one.
As someone who exclusively plays support role (I don't play any other role), the one hero who trumps over all is Disruptor. If you've got a team with proper carries that know how to play around his long-range abilities maneuvering and repositioning, it's a won game. His shard also grants vision temporarily for uphill sieges which gives your team advantage and can reveal hidden enemies. Let alone it's very hard to escape his glimpse on heroes that can jump in/out, making retreat futile. Plus, his ultimate with ags muting items and silencing makes heroes practically useless in fights.
The Thing with Disruptor is that the meta is about Ranged Carries,and except for Morph u cant do shit if someone just stand his ground and 3 hit u.Its A Matchup dependent hero,cuz one game u own the enemy Cores and the other you get killed like a CM.
About warlock, the only reason i can think on why its popular, the golems are actually scaling, which means it's actually harder to high ground. Most of the time when i face with enemy warlock with few items, 80% of it made them made a comeback.
Item and lvl timings are more important the higher the more, so in legend and below black grimoire is not as impactful
Imo, warlock is popular in lower mmr bcs everyone is less coordinated, (less rotation, clumped fights, no respect over his Q and E) and it's just bonkers. It works less in higher mmr bcs people will work around that spell. Kiting his ults, backing away from Q and E, and doing aggressive move when his ult is on CD
His donwside is the long ult CD, but he have the complete packge, damage, heal and slow
Warlock falls incredibly hard in late game. And in my mmr games always end up going lategame and thats why i dont take warlock anymore.
Day 97 of asking speed to play position 1 Io
omg. he is legit asking for IO safelane for almost a hundred days.
ANA might have played for u, not speeed
BROOO stop it!! You're annoying now
Io 1 is not a thing stopit pls
@@cheesewheez2987Mind your own business then
AA is very underrated. I'm playing it as pos 4 and pos 5 and reached from Guardian to Crusader and OMW to Archon (150 MMR away) by spamming this with 90% same builds hero only and Lich.
The other warlock facet is good bc of shadow word+spirit vessel can make the golems hit so hard passively
A little more on Warlock ...
Grimoire isn't going to have an effect on every game. Warlock doesn't really care about levels once your skills are maxed. If you're winning fights, you're gaining levels anyway.
Gorroth scales and will have an effect in every game. Warlock at level 15 with green boots is a 50% increase on golem immolation damage. Get Locket for mana sustain. (Frankly, how is this not THE THING.) Drums / Bearing make your golem(s) shred everything. (Frankly, how is THIS not ALSO the thing.)
This hero's winrate is only going to rise as people get off the Glimmer Cape / Upheaval build.
Thing with aa is he can't make things happen. I realized for me I need a hero that can contribute alot like abadon everyone wasting their ultimate on me and my team cleans up. Warlock one of the best counter spell caster
I think if you take the exposure facet he's actually insane, significantly better as a core b/c he can just buy any stupid midgame item the team needs. orcid, shivas, radiance, spirit vessel, gleipnir, witch blade, whatever. He just forces the whole team to split with his q, just basically a lich ult with like 4 sec of downtime.
I enjoy naga these days SOOO MUCH. Hope they wont nerf her supp version to the ground. Last nerfs hit hard buy its ok, arcanes are more expensive but I still go solar - greaves - blink and we just win. Good pair with SF on lane and throughout the game too
Champion of Gorroth is Broken just because in Turbo Mode Warlock is abusive and arguably the best Hero in the Game.Laning Stage is kinda mid,but after Lanes Breaks out you Win Teamfights single handedly with Shard,and then u can buy your Big Items cuz its Turbo and be even scarier on Lategame.
how about ringwormaster?
Pos 5 treant is soo underrated
"if you're not getting run over, which tends not to happen in your average puns"
Bro, every single game is either you getting run over and running over the other team.
The reason for Champion of Gorroth on Warlock has higher winrate is the aghs into refresher build
1. When u get 4 or 5 golem its 90% of your mana and hp regen x 5 (it stacks really well with multiple golems)
2. Also refresher gives alot of hp and mana regen
Abaddon with Aghs is freaking insane
Thanks man! Cant wait for pos 4
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Gorroth facet is good because in low level pubs warlock always get ridiculous farm and make the game drag on and then just buy tarrasque and people overcommit on him b/c they keep dying to him. I imagine at high levels the facet falls off real hard. Though I really think there is a stupid angle with the new alch shard for an extra like 36 dps per golem. with the full heart sange scepter refresher and holy locket on the alch you get about 1k dps on the burn with the 4 golems. Though tbf only like 250 of that dmg is from the alch but that still feels kinda disgusting.
for the most annoying supports right now in my rank are abaddon and warlock
Abaddon that keeps protecting his cores is just so annoying and his scepter is just so good and warlock is just so good defending high ground and because of him the game is getting dragged to late game and that gives time for cores to build their items
Which facet did you choose?
i main lich now and he is so good and i dont understand why they buff him this patch, i was expecting a nerf but they didnt :D
what about undying?
I tested the warlock facets in demo. Just bought the typical items on 2 warlocks with aghs where one is using champion of gorroth and one isn't. Just throw down a golem and send him to an enemy and ull see the insane difference in burn dps its like triple and thats without fatal bonds. Once u have aghs refresher if u even get a 2 man fatal bonds these 2 men get solo killed instantly by u. The xp facet is cool and all but the other one scales extremely hard its like u cant even win team fights anymore vs this hero
Its like each golem is doing more dps around them than radiance (depending on ur items) and u have 4 of them and u have fatal bonds u can see how this is broken. Only issue is reaching that timing. If u do and position well and be patient with putting down ur insanely long cooldown spells its game over
put a tarrasque on warlock and watch those golems burn the world down.
but my tinker still ban in divine bracket i dont know why
How is marci not on the list? She is so strong. Good synergy with lots of the meta carry heroes.
Warlock op. 100% winrate here
Do you stream on twitch?
While I really like clockwerk in terms of design, I feel like as a support - he just feeds, sacrifices himself too much to set off an unreliable ability in his W. His passive should give him way more damage, he should be a proper offlane tank with some damage
nah, he is very fun and just a weird hero to pilot, get some games in and you will feel it. Just don`t feed. Try to buy a force staff. Hook in and force out. Never die. Its just a positioning problem imo. Good luck!
clockwerk are meant to be menacing early in the game, but fall off later. At that point, you are doing less tanking and more of sniping important target. Its not uncommon for you to get up to 2 or 3 survival items in top of shard. At late game, you are simply not doing enough trade vs fed core.
Warlock, try having two or three hearts and refresher, literally the 4 gokems can clear any towers unless 5 man ganks them
Doesn't even matter , the hero will survive most fights with two hearts
Or just build all the Auras and do a little less damage with a heap of utility?
I disagree with playing oracle, most of the time people pick trash hc and you having a hero who doesn't scale gd to late will make you get more losses than wins, remember Peruvian and Russian pubs players are there.
PS: I'm Peruvian.
Lich keep getting buff, people are crazy to not abuse it
Ogre pos 5 and gloves at start and rush midas ❤
MagiKing here.
Winning with support orge magi straight 8games. till valve place me with goofballs cores…
Treant should be in pos 5... Its kinda still good hero after getting nerf for ms 2% when you are in the trees and holy locket 30% to 25%.. I am a turbo player now but as a challenge with my friend i just rank up legend 1 to ancient 1 in just 8 days lol.. with this hero
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ed i think is more skilled than blanky speeed
Pop 5's. Love ya speeed
"I dont think we'll have a patch for a while" I see what you're trying to do here.
4 of your 7 (AA Abadon Ogre and Oracle) are unpicked in the current PGL Wallachia tournament, with lich also having 1 pick for 1 loss. Great list.
This list is good for pub just try warlock and lich yourself. They re great right now
bro pub match and pro match is different lmao don't be fking delusional on thinking you're in the same level as the pros
Thanks!
Nah Abaddon is very good in this meta. Ranged heroes love having an aba behind them
Low tier games last forever. huge stats for that golem. That and itemization is crap at low tiers so a rampage golem cleans up.
storm sup pos 4 ?
high mmr sometimes idiotic at pick
In all mmr u dont saw 5 man carry picks , u win early but lose late XD ez throw
why i nobody talking about warlock tarrasque build?
Rush hot? Or aghanim hot refresher ?
AA reliable in damage, skillshot ultimate...
scale with pure damage like spectre faciet broken
its the best shard says its every time kek
love you speed
Can't wait to play AA and sit in back, not farming sh*t, winning MMR 😂
damn, you say all shard are one of the most broken :D
Marci better then Clock - change my mind ; lich and Warlock pretty much play themselves
Broken and Hard Support can't stay in the same sentence. Ty valve for The nerf The pos most vulnerable and hard to snowboard
POS 1 IO! IS OP TRUST!
Quickening Abaddon is stupid nasty.
You said Ogre Magi about best shard buyer, and for me Abaddon will be the second. Shard make him a ranged support, kinda mandatory item tbh. a nice pos 4 ranged hero. He is melee, yeah but he is also a range coil spammers with shard. A hero die, and you will cast another Coil. Add Khanda to it, then it become mini version of Axe's Culling. Its funny how much Khanda blast thru their health with sharded Coils.
Mana boots/soul ring, and shard and thats it for all game (its the basic omni knight item). Use avernus skill tree and you can go crazy. You will be able to support team clashes early. goes with Phylactery (Khanda if it goes really late). Which is will be quite often since Abaddon is lower ranker pubstomp, which means will goes late often in this bracket.
He also a proper scaling hero. Avernus and shield making him a nice pushers should everything goes late. Personally, after Khanda, I goes Manta for his clones Avernus. It really makes them creep wave hit the towers hard. Low rankers dont know how to push and supports need to do this themselves.
The assignment is simple. Linger around in back line. Shield teammate that got initiated on. and just spam them coils. Enemy wont goes hunt Abaddon to initiate, simply because no one in the right mind will initiate on him. If you have more than three brain cells, you wont initiate on an Abaddon. His ult is a free Aeon Disk. Just start practice to activate it manually, Axe, PA, SF, and WK love to punch thru the 400 damage threshold.
If the game become 60 minute, he become the 3rd or 4th hitters. You already have Khanda, just buy Abyssal, Skadi, and Shiva to counter carry.
Abaddon is my secondary pick for supports. Second only Warlock. Simply because DUH!?!?!
How late do your games go that you reliably make khanda? You think vessel is better?
Would love to see an example of this Abaddon play (trying to figure him out), do you have a matchid or Dota buff?
Honestly never saw any of this, sound like weed rant
idk how can u manage to get those items at 50mini of game and I think aghnem, holy locket and crimson guard/glimmer is more useful than a absyal skadi or shiva. Idk about your rank now I am ancient 3 and 68% winrate with abbadon above 250+ games.
LOOOOOOL! Storm support😂😂😂😂😂
speed, black grimoire is much batter facet than the burning warlock shits :D dont worry about the other randoms.....
Why isn't DÁ BUTCHÁ in the list? Best pos 5 in herald.
Did he just say phoenix is harder then AA?
It is
@@jarrolightfeather4703 but phoenix is:
faster, has double the hp of aa, has an escape, doesnt need manaregen cause egg restores all, will always do damage nomatter how the fight goes, has heal, has high damage, has insane hp regen, can safe allies with aghs, has is own „kit“ with atkspeed reduce and chance to miss (the egg), has big spikes early levels just as later, CAN GO IN!
And aa dies in 1sec once he crossed river…
The real trick on aa is just to never cross the river, it makes the team somuch weaker if his ult has only 200 radius and gets insta blown up…
Yeah you can try to hide… and if the enemy is really bad, they will not kill you first….
But comon phoenix is one of the easiest heros of all.. you click your spells the enemys die, you can combo it with EVERY hero its always strong…
Aa just is really strong if he lanes with someone that can lock down on his coldfeet and can tank for him… like a ck sven wk etc
ah yesWarlock, the afk hero
spamming lich for a while now
Need pos 4
Just use warlock pos 4 as well, his damage surpass most cores every game
Pudge, rubick , bara, nyx
Io carry
shadow demon is braindead to play compared to oracle
Not io carry on the top? This is rigged
Talk about veno jungle please