You can be proud of such a talented and gifted conductor who is also so beautiful and charming. The tempo and dynamic are terrific. Beethoven would love it.Ih Germany we only have one foreign minister who thinks she is great and charming. Greetings from Germany to Mexico.
To those criticizing her baton method, I know the conductor needs to beat the rhythm but they do not have to stand there and be a human metronome. Especially when you have such talented professionals as these. This has a lot of flair, I like it
Η Αλόνδρα είναι εκθαμβωτική και τη θαυμάζω πάρα πολύ!!! Λατρεύω τις αντιθέσεις στις δυναμικές και τα σημεία με φόρτε, στα οποία όλη η ορχήστρα πετυχαίνει έναν απαράμιλλο ήχο!!!
Every orchestra tends to slow down at the end of this symphony--the coda at the end of the 4th movement: 46:45. This is one of those few orchestras that actually plays it at Presto and this is one of the greatest recordings I've heard.
@@anamartinezregalado5480amateur??? Sólo porque es mexicana. No, pues tú has de ser europea !!!! Cuando una paisana sobresale, no entienden y confunden sobresale con sobre-ella!!!!!
@@aquifrancno sé si sea correcto el término de amateur para esta "directora" pero sin duda es bastante mala. De hecho es un poco grosera la comparación con Klemperer.
The combination fits. Top orchestra is conducted brilliantly. A magnificent dynamic performance by a highly talented and gifted conductor and as a bonus also extremely pretty and charming!
Alondra de la Parra performs very well the opening and the rest of the piece, I think is the original that Beethoven would desire, it's 100% pure accordingly to the philosophical view of the 18th century, Hegel the more remarkable philosopher. So there is a parallel to Hegelian philosophy and Beethoven music, Beethoven's music represents the ideals of the enlightenment in a power and passionate way to express the human spirit in all its splendor, Hegel adored Napoleon as does Beethoven, who said "the world spirit on horseback", But Beethoven composed this memorial symphony to a great man because Napoleon His hero became an autocratic self-glorifying individual. In short, Symphony no.3 "Eroica"= a picture of the 18th century and the contemporary time only around 54 minutes
Thank you for posting this video. It is a wonderful interpretation of the Eroica. I know if Beethoven could hear how his music has held up for over 200 years, and how it is being presented today, he would be most impressed.
Wo ist der 3. Satz (Scherzo) hingekommen?? (= the 3rd movement is missing!) Bei 30:58 beginnt bereits der 4. Satz und bei 42:16 ist die Musik bereits zu Ende!
From my understanding it was probably cut from youtube after upload. The orchestra didn't play a symphony without a 3rd movement. If you see after the 2nd movement finishes, the conductor quickly proceeds to give the attack for the next, but the video instantly changes and orchestra starts later than expected. At this point also the audience's cough changes volume, which indicates that it's two different moments tied together. Also the description and a lot of comments give time stamps that make no sense, and almost nobody in the comments section mention this huge miss.
Arra conducted Beethoven No.3 so so so beautiful in juicy rhythm, tempo and articulation. I love this Beethoven. I think Eroica rhythm might be difficult for Asian, for some reason other. I'm Japanese old(89yrs.) I like Karajan Eroica, veryveryvery natural and juicy.
Ａlondra is the most beautiful conductor in the world, Ｉ am sure. Ｂut whether man or woman is not important. The key is her music interpretation. I am surprised her music has become more dynamic and deeper than several years ago. She is also now one of the best maestros in the world.
To my modesty this seems as a student's or a beginner's conducting. And I don't mean the lady's appearance (which I don't care about) but I just listen to music, to the way that music sounds and what it tells us. The orchestra is not well coordinated and the conception is without depth and refinement that "Eroica" requires.
Couldn't agree more - I wonder if the people who are praising this rendition in the comments have ears... they surely have no musical training whatsoever
She seems to have a hard time separating the two hands. She's either pulsing the tempo with both, or emoting with both.....but they should actually be independent of one another.
And I think her interpretation needs to find some more depth . It is coming out as a cheerful spring evening, whereas the inner core of the music is tragic in a forceful manner
It's a nice performance, very beautiful. The Tonhalle Orchestra knows this music as well as any and can likely play it just fine without any conductor.
She's a central dancer, just follows the orchestra. She is not conducting. Pay attention, musicians don't even look at her, they play well because they have good training. Her movements don't match the energy of the piece. After listening to Bruno Walter, Sergiu Celibidache, Jochum, Klemperer, this version is everything but an excellent one.
Ya habia escuchado esto hace tiempo y mi opinion era mala. Le vuelvo a dar una oportunidad y me resulta igual o mas gris que antes. No es mas que una "directora" mimo que no aporta nada y solo la sacan adelante los músicos. No es casualidad que en Mexico no la traguen los músicos profesionales.
Bravo por esta extraordinaria director de orquesta. Maravillosa versión de la "Eroica", llena de nervio y musicalidad. Estoy en desacuerdo con los envidiosos comentarios de Nuolo y de Corona. Los resentidos son muy infelices. Seguramente son de izquierda política.
Well... she does seem to be enjoying herself. A good first try? Is she a student conductor? This may be the dullest since Ozawa's recording with San Francisco back in the 1970s Perhaps she will mature over time?
@IB_AARAV RAKESH Thanks for saying HI. I don't know how "distilled" my ears are but yours is a fair question regarding my own preferences and to keep to mostly "live" recordings and those available here on TH-cam I offer you a list of performances I've listened to more than a few times and I'm happy to share. I do love this work and I'm always interested in hearing different of points of view and while each of these esteemed gentleman have their points of view the spirit of Beethoven is always at the core of their work for me. I wonder if you will find that to be so as well. Bernstein: th-cam.com/video/RkP33esCi5g/w-d-xo.html Furtwangler: th-cam.com/video/sNgohcWQAJs/w-d-xo.html Jochum: th-cam.com/video/_h3L2qjj-Jk/w-d-xo.html Klemperer: th-cam.com/video/c7OOVuP7Ehs/w-d-xo.html Mengelberg: th-cam.com/video/cv_W3KgH-8k/w-d-xo.html Munch: th-cam.com/video/LiFkmR-9pUQ/w-d-xo.html Tennstedt: th-cam.com/video/AU1eHuKTF8c/w-d-xo.html Toscanini: th-cam.com/video/0lqjl7bkDBE/w-d-xo.html
@IB_AARAV RAKESH I might ask you the same :) Yes to Karajan. I prefer the earlier cycles with the Philharmonic and the earliest one with Berlin. There is one that is hard to get, because it is now so expensive, of Karajan on tour in Japan with the Berlin Philharmonic in 1966. More drive and passion than the studio recordings less polish which is not a bad thing. I'm wondering which do you prefer, that is of performances of the Eroica? I'd like to know what do you honestly think about Maestra Alondra de la Parra's performance? Hope you're safe and well wherever you may be.
Totally agree with this - I do not understand all the praise in the comments. People need to close their eyes and listen to realize that this is some really uninspired music making
Qué tristeza que la corrupción llegue hasta esas salas..........¿como se atreve a subirse a ese escenario....... con esa obra?...........pareciera que se mofa, pues sus becas de estudio etc las obtuvo por relaciones politicas con los Zedillo...recordemos que Beethoven rompìó la hoja con el donde aparecía dedicatoria a Napoleon Bonaparte......de palabras de Beethoven `` ¡Ahora solo va a obedecer a su ambición, elevarse más alto que los demás, convertirse en un tirano!´´........ni siquiera puedo decir como habría reaccionado Bheetoven al ver a la corrupción dirigiendo su obra . Creo que habría subido y le habría arrebatado el score a ella y los músicos se levantarían e irían a sus casas averonzados con llanto en los ojos de pena . Basta de Burlas en el arte. Por fortuna en Europa se dieron cuenta de su nulo talento. Gracias a los músicos que pudieron rescatar más o menos.
Los músicos ni la voltean a ver.realmente es una bailarina central, su lenguaje corporal no dice nada, dirige igual un 'crescendo' que un pianissimo. Vaya, ni se despeina. Cuida más sus movimientos estudiados que el momento. Si Beethoven viera esto, rompería el resto de la partitura. Efectivamente la corrupción llegó hasta la cocina.
@@macorona parece un títere ….. cero expresión …. Cero talento …. Ahhh pero frunce el ceño como si sintiera la música ….es una nefasta payasita de la dirección ( súper chafa 😅)
Cuántos amarga2 existen en este mundo. En vez de disfrutar de la música se dedican a criticar, sin conocer a fondo a las personas. Me pregunto, ustedes lo harían bien, si algún día tuvieran la oportunidad?? Creo que no. !!!!! Solo les duele ver a alguien triunfar, sea cual sea la razón, solo demuestran su nula calidad humana. !!!!!!
Eh, I would say that it looks like she was focused more on tempo and less on expression. I would have liked to see her moves to be more reflective of the music, to many missed opportunities.
Yes; it’s fantastic. And if anyone doubts her chops, from memory no less. The orchestra is clearly engaged with her and their interpretation is joyful and appropriate; it feels like the music is new! Some people expect fault because of who the conductor is and only listen for that. I challenge those saying “those with ears can say this is awful” to pick this out of an audio lineup of post-Norrington and Gardner interpretations.
Mexican proud! In my land, we're so happy that this woman reached the success arround the world. greetings from Mexico City!
I’m with you brother 😊
You can be proud of such a talented and gifted conductor who is also so beautiful and charming. The tempo and dynamic are terrific. Beethoven would love it.Ih Germany we only have one foreign minister who thinks she is great and charming. Greetings from Germany to Mexico.
Alondra is a national treasure of Mexico.
What a pleasant appearance - the conductor!
That's an understatement for sure.
Alondra de la Parra interpreta magistralmente il pathos di questa grande sinfonia
Me deu a impressão de que os músicos estavam realmente adorando tocar. Alondra é genial!
アロンドラの美貌に思わず、見とれてしまいました。
映画女優のようですね。
生き生きとした表情、
ベートーヴェンのスコアの細部が見えてくるような、
刻々と変わる豊かな表情。
アロンドラの棒に応えて、
オーケストラがじつに、
いい音をだしてます、素晴らしい演奏です❗
オーケストラの面々の、
音楽する喜びが伝わってきました。
オーボエ、じつにいいですね。
ベートーヴェンの名曲の名演奏‼️
ホールにつどった聴衆の感動も伝わってきました。
素晴らしい演奏、素晴らしい映像‼️
ありがとうございました。
To those criticizing her baton method, I know the conductor needs to beat the rhythm but they do not have to stand there and be a human metronome. Especially when you have such talented professionals as these. This has a lot of flair, I like it
Η Αλόνδρα είναι εκθαμβωτική και τη θαυμάζω πάρα πολύ!!! Λατρεύω τις αντιθέσεις στις δυναμικές και τα σημεία με φόρτε, στα οποία όλη η ορχήστρα πετυχαίνει έναν απαράμιλλο ήχο!!!
Every orchestra tends to slow down at the end of this symphony--the coda at the end of the 4th movement: 46:45. This is one of those few orchestras that actually plays it at Presto and this is one of the greatest recordings I've heard.
Oh. Poor orchestras! They slow down.
Hahaha
The 1st movement may be the best performance I’ve ever heard especially its sharp sound of the timpani!
Es la primera vez que escucho y veo a Alondra de la Parra dirigiendo así, que pinche orgullo nacional, felicidades, lo digo con lágrimas.
Si con esta amateur estas hasta las lagrimas, cuando la oigas con un director de verdad como Klemperer se te aflojará el intestino.
@@anamartinezregalado5480 jajaja tranquilo, mi maestro, yo pensaba igual que tu, pero es más feliz disfrutar y apreciar.
es maravillosa...... realmente sorprende su calidez femenina.........
@@anamartinezregalado5480amateur??? Sólo porque es mexicana. No, pues tú has de ser europea !!!! Cuando una paisana sobresale, no entienden y confunden sobresale con sobre-ella!!!!!
@@aquifrancno sé si sea correcto el término de amateur para esta "directora" pero sin duda es bastante mala. De hecho es un poco grosera la comparación con Klemperer.
Gracias por compartirlo...¡¡ Alondra siempre maravillosa...¡¡ Un regalo para los sentidos y un apapacho para el alma. Bravo...¡¡
Beethoven Symphony No 3 in E♭ „Eroica“ Alondra de la Parra Tonhalle Orchester Zürich
Impressed.
The combination fits. Top orchestra is conducted brilliantly. A magnificent dynamic performance by a highly talented and gifted conductor and as a bonus also extremely pretty and charming!
Großartig!!!
Alondra de la Parra performs very well the opening and the rest of the piece, I think is the original that Beethoven would desire, it's 100% pure accordingly to the philosophical view of the 18th century, Hegel the more remarkable philosopher. So there is a parallel to Hegelian philosophy and Beethoven music, Beethoven's music represents the ideals of the enlightenment in a power and passionate way to express the human spirit in all its splendor, Hegel adored Napoleon as does Beethoven, who said "the world spirit on horseback", But Beethoven composed this memorial symphony to a great man because Napoleon His hero became an autocratic self-glorifying individual. In short, Symphony no.3 "Eroica"= a picture of the 18th century and the contemporary time only around 54 minutes
Tan fresca como hermosa. Mi nueva versión favorita de la Heroica, ¡Bravo, Parra!
Bravo!!
Thank you for posting this video. It is a wonderful interpretation of the Eroica. I know if Beethoven could hear how his music has held up for over 200 years, and how it is being presented today, he would be most impressed.
Wo ist der 3. Satz (Scherzo) hingekommen?? (= the 3rd movement is missing!) Bei 30:58 beginnt bereits der 4. Satz und bei 42:16 ist die Musik bereits zu Ende!
From my understanding it was probably cut from youtube after upload. The orchestra didn't play a symphony without a 3rd movement.
If you see after the 2nd movement finishes, the conductor quickly proceeds to give the attack for the next, but the video instantly changes and orchestra starts later than expected. At this point also the audience's cough changes volume, which indicates that it's two different moments tied together. Also the description and a lot of comments give time stamps that make no sense, and almost nobody in the comments section mention this huge miss.
She is a great conductor. Fantastic !! Brava !!
A very refreshing, refined and subtle performance.
a very refined conductor and great orchestra........bravo.....
Her gesture is a poetic expression of the beauty and dynamism of Symphony Eroica.
Alondra : Me alegro ¡Siempre a mejor!
Magnifique version, un grand bravo à la chef et aux musiciens.
De nuevo , excelente, maestra Parra
This is utterly superb.
es inegable, el sello femenino que la directora le da a la ejecucion....... °!que bueno¡
Ah, está dirigiendo la Heróica. Cuesta adivinarlo! (y seguro que a los músicos seguirla.... )
Arra conducted Beethoven No.3 so so so beautiful in juicy rhythm, tempo and articulation. I love this Beethoven. I think Eroica rhythm might be difficult for Asian, for some reason other. I'm Japanese old(89yrs.) I like Karajan Eroica, veryveryvery natural and juicy.
Dear Sir, congratulations. Rgrds.
Am I the only one who can't seem to locate a Scherzo in this video?
You are right. The Scherzo is missing .... A real shame ....
Me too most importantly Satz ist lost Beethoven‘s Most loved Horn parts!!!
Indeed. Why?
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏😍😍😍
Sensacional 👏👏
超赞！
Bravo! But no Scherzo. Was it deleted in the video or no Scherzo played in the concert??
bravo this is so cool!.
46:40
Ａlondra is the most beautiful conductor in the world, Ｉ am sure. Ｂut whether man or woman is not important. The key is her music interpretation. I am surprised her music has become more dynamic and deeper than several years ago. She is also now one of the best maestros in the world.
Mejor que nunca.
Tiempo, dinámica de expresion, el balanceo, la claridad, de melodía cantabile: es todo perfecto.
When was this concert recorded??
0:36, 0:53
40:31
To my modesty this seems as a student's or a beginner's conducting. And I don't mean the lady's appearance (which I don't care about) but I just listen to music, to the way that music sounds and what it tells us. The orchestra is not well coordinated and the conception is without depth and refinement that "Eroica" requires.
Maybe you'd do better.
@@richardfox6595 If I were a conductor, I surely would. Maybe you wouldn't.
Couldn't agree more - I wonder if the people who are praising this rendition in the comments have ears... they surely have no musical training whatsoever
Let's find the middle point. This performance Is nor precisely unforgetable...At least, nota in the right Sense.
Brava!
She seems to have a hard time separating the two hands. She's either pulsing the tempo with both, or emoting with both.....but they should actually be independent of one another.
And I think her interpretation needs to find some more depth . It is coming out as a cheerful spring evening, whereas the inner core of the music is tragic in a forceful manner
I like her more in Prokofiev and Copland
Say that to Furtwängler...
It's a nice performance, very beautiful. The Tonhalle Orchestra knows this music as well as any and can likely play it just fine without any conductor.
She's a central dancer, just follows the orchestra. She is not conducting. Pay attention, musicians don't even look at her, they play well because they have good training.
Her movements don't match the energy of the piece.
After listening to Bruno Walter, Sergiu Celibidache, Jochum, Klemperer, this version is everything but an excellent one.
Thanks for you comment.
Yes, you are correct in every way.
I hope you're well wherever you may be
Seas Sano Amigo
A.
john eliot gardiner has the best recording ive ever heard of this symphony. this one is terrible
What happened to the 3rd movement? As of 2/11/2024, it is not part of this video.
Wonderful, thank you all so much.
Посмотрите это видео без звука.
Всё понятно 😉
Alondra’s left hand is sooo expressive!
Alondra de la Parra is horrendous !
Where the hell is the scherzo ?
Ya habia escuchado esto hace tiempo y mi opinion era mala. Le vuelvo a dar una oportunidad y me resulta igual o mas gris que antes. No es mas que una "directora" mimo que no aporta nada y solo la sacan adelante los músicos. No es casualidad que en Mexico no la traguen los músicos profesionales.
Bravo por esta extraordinaria director de orquesta. Maravillosa versión de la "Eroica", llena de nervio y musicalidad. Estoy en desacuerdo con los envidiosos comentarios de Nuolo y de Corona. Los resentidos son muy infelices. Seguramente son de izquierda política.
Well... she does seem to be enjoying herself. A good first try? Is she a student conductor?
This may be the dullest since Ozawa's recording with San Francisco back in the 1970s
Perhaps she will mature over time?
@IB_AARAV RAKESH
Thanks for saying HI. I don't know how "distilled" my ears are but yours is a fair question regarding my own preferences and to keep to mostly "live" recordings and those available here on TH-cam I offer you a list of performances I've listened to more than a few times and I'm happy to share. I do love this work and I'm always interested in hearing different of points of view and while each of these esteemed gentleman have their points of view the spirit of Beethoven is always at the core of their work for me. I wonder if you will find that to be so as well.
Bernstein: th-cam.com/video/RkP33esCi5g/w-d-xo.html
Furtwangler: th-cam.com/video/sNgohcWQAJs/w-d-xo.html
Jochum: th-cam.com/video/_h3L2qjj-Jk/w-d-xo.html
Klemperer: th-cam.com/video/c7OOVuP7Ehs/w-d-xo.html
Mengelberg: th-cam.com/video/cv_W3KgH-8k/w-d-xo.html
Munch: th-cam.com/video/LiFkmR-9pUQ/w-d-xo.html
Tennstedt: th-cam.com/video/AU1eHuKTF8c/w-d-xo.html
Toscanini: th-cam.com/video/0lqjl7bkDBE/w-d-xo.html
@IB_AARAV RAKESH I might ask you the same :)
Yes to Karajan. I prefer the earlier cycles with the Philharmonic and the earliest one with Berlin. There is one that is hard to get, because it is now so expensive, of Karajan on tour in Japan with the Berlin Philharmonic in 1966. More drive and passion than the studio recordings less polish which is not a bad thing.
I'm wondering which do you prefer, that is of performances of the Eroica? I'd like to know what do you honestly think about Maestra Alondra de la Parra's performance?
Hope you're safe and well wherever you may be.
Perhaps YOU will mature over time?
@@geraldbalzano431 Ah, yes. Perhaps I will
And, what is your opinion of this performance?
Thanks for saying HI!
Totally agree with this - I do not understand all the praise in the comments. People need to close their eyes and listen to realize that this is some really uninspired music making
I came here for the scherzo
Qué tristeza que la corrupción llegue hasta esas salas..........¿como se atreve a subirse a ese escenario....... con esa obra?...........pareciera que se mofa, pues sus becas de estudio etc las obtuvo por relaciones politicas con los Zedillo...recordemos que Beethoven rompìó la hoja con el donde aparecía dedicatoria a Napoleon Bonaparte......de palabras de Beethoven `` ¡Ahora solo va a obedecer a su ambición, elevarse más alto que los demás, convertirse en un tirano!´´........ni siquiera puedo decir como habría reaccionado Bheetoven al ver a la corrupción dirigiendo su obra . Creo que habría subido y le habría arrebatado el score a ella y los músicos se levantarían e irían a sus casas averonzados con llanto en los ojos de pena . Basta de Burlas en el arte. Por fortuna en Europa se dieron cuenta de su nulo talento. Gracias a los músicos que pudieron rescatar más o menos.
Gracias...ya te darán tus croquetas. Los chairos del peje.
@@guillenmanejando3831 saludos antiartista nako
Los músicos ni la voltean a ver.realmente es una bailarina central, su lenguaje corporal no dice nada, dirige igual un 'crescendo' que un pianissimo.
Vaya, ni se despeina. Cuida más sus movimientos estudiados que el momento.
Si Beethoven viera esto, rompería el resto de la partitura.
Efectivamente la corrupción llegó hasta la cocina.
@@macorona parece un títere ….. cero expresión …. Cero talento …. Ahhh pero frunce el ceño como si sintiera la música ….es una nefasta payasita de la dirección ( súper chafa 😅)
Cuántos amarga2 existen en este mundo. En vez de disfrutar de la música se dedican a criticar, sin conocer a fondo a las personas. Me pregunto, ustedes lo harían bien, si algún día tuvieran la oportunidad?? Creo que no. !!!!! Solo les duele ver a alguien triunfar, sea cual sea la razón, solo demuestran su nula calidad humana. !!!!!!
Eh, I would say that it looks like she was focused more on tempo and less on expression. I would have liked to see her moves to be more reflective of the music, to many missed opportunities.
Interesting, but depressing, to see the supercilious, condescending, and pretentious reactions of some reviewers to this female conductor.
Yes; it’s fantastic. And if anyone doubts her chops, from memory no less. The orchestra is clearly engaged with her and their interpretation is joyful and appropriate; it feels like the music is new! Some people expect fault because of who the conductor is and only listen for that. I challenge those saying “those with ears can say this is awful” to pick this out of an audio lineup of post-Norrington and Gardner interpretations.
I await with bated breath the video *_their_* interpretations conducting an orchestra of this caliber doing this piece.
It is embarrassing for an orchestra of this level to humble itself by allowing itself to be directed by an amateur and totally inadequate conductor.
Shocking, and not in a good way
I agree
Mal producto de la mercadotecnia. Muy mala directora.
La peor
Sobrevalorada y mediocre. Bendito marketing que infla a gente sin talento.
Ma va la...
Tu es que es la talentosa, o estoy equivocado? Felicitaciones, entonces, conductora!
Completely agree.
La música genial ..wow.. y ella, grande!!!
¿Alguien sabe quien es Karla Yazmin Baez Cabrera? Yo no y ni me interesa.
That trauermarsch is so boring and dreadful
Flat and boring.
Where is the Horn trio in the third chapter ?