The Ranger: The Swarmkeeper D&D
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ส.ค. 2024
- In this video I go over my favorite subclass in Tasha's Cauldron of everything: The Swarmkeeper Ranger
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0:00 Intro
1:15 The Swarmkeeper Ranger
2:58 Gathered Swarm (3rd)
6:29 Bonus Spells (3rd)
8:27 Writhing Tide (7th)
9:36 Mighty Swarm (11th)
12:12 Swarming Dispersal (15th)
13:32 Conclusions
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The perfect swarm creature for your dark, brooding ranger? Butterflies, of course.
I mean the mothman sound terrifying
I have this image of a happy go-lucky Halfling skipping down the path with a swarm of butterflies slaughtering all the Goblins that try and ambush them.
THE MIGHTY MONARCH!
Calyptra = the vampire moth.
Moths
I love the idea of setting up spike growth then having a bunch of butterflies drag a creature through it with no remorse
Bruceman, the Batwayne, hunter of evil-doers.
Love this class. Playing it right now, as swarkeeper fisheman, that collects souls of every fish i ever fished, and add them to the swarm.
- heh, that is a really fun sounding theme!
I love making fishermen with this build by taking thornwhip via the druidic warrior fighting style
@@fullmetalpotato1258take shilelagh as the other cantrip for the rod, take crusher too and be able to push em back or reel em in
@@epitaph4606 yeeee love that!!!
The 1d6 extra damage from swarm keeper isn’t insanely powerful, but it’s also not trivial. It’s helped by the fact that it costs no resources, no bonus action, nothing. It can be stacked with things like Hunter’s Mark.
Sure. But the extra damage is by far the worst of all the options for your swarm. I mean, if you have nothing better to do, extra damage is better than nothing.
And, unlike the fey wanderer, you deal the damage only once per round. The fey wanderer does it for each target so you can deal the damage several times per round if you attack more than 1 creature.
- The Innkeeper
@@TwistedTentacleInn It's not an attack, so it will be reliable against enemies that resist/are immune to non-magical attacks. Remember that in 5e, an attack has an associated d20 roll. The swarm damage isn't part of the attack roll like, say, Hunter's Mark. The downside is, of course, no critical hit damage. Still, being able to hurt a werewolf when you don't have a magic/silvered weapon at your disposal is a good thing. It's scratch damage, but better than no damage.
I do agree that it'll usually be the least effective thing you can do with the feature, though. Moving yourself out of danger or moving an enemy into danger are fantastic. Especially if the DM has you fighting near, say, a cliff...
@@TwistedTentacleInn, whether it’s the worst thing is situational. Very often it will be the best thing you can do.
The Fey Wanderer does a d4 vs d6, and “several times” is a tall order. At level 5 it’s typically twice (thrice at most) with a hand crossbow and CBE. In that scenario you’re also doing d6 weapon damage instead of d8, and you’re creating more competition for your bonus action in a class that uses it often.
Again, I’m not arguing that the swarmkeeper damage option is better, but it’s far from trivial. 2 successful attacks from the Fey Wanderer damage = 1.5 more average damage than 1 successful attack from the Swarmkeeper.
@@Sean-fo8kg sure, when you're not fighting things with resistance to non magical attacks, which at lower levels is common, but beyond 5th is far less common.
And in terms of your comment about it being the worst option being situational, that's effectively what I said too. "if you have nothing better to do..." means that yeah, it's the best option if the others aren't viable.
- The Innkeeper
@@TwistedTentacleInn "The worst option on my free ability is to deal extra damage". OK... the point is you get options. None of the options are bad just more situational, there is always going to be a general best use option. Saying that the worst option for this ability is terrible compared to the fey wander's ONLY ability is kind of pointless and dumb; if all the options were better that would not be fair. You usually have to sacrifice some power for versatility.
Something you didn't consider is that you are being moved 5 feet, not moving 5 feet, so it's a free disengage in many situations. That's why it pairs with half cover. This makes the 5 foot option every bit as good as the 15 foot one
How does it pair with half cover?
@@birchtree14 if i had to guess its because its supposed because it dosent proc oppptunity and any readyed attacks for moving are less likely to hit. Most likely wrong though
@@birchtree14 you move away 5ft, which does not provoke an opportunity attack, so you can still move away from tough enemies on your turn, and gives your plus 2 to your armor class until your next turn. Also, it's not a limited resource. You can do this every turn if you want.
I made a crazy cat lady halfling urban swarm keeper ranger who grew up as an urchin on the streets of Sharn. She was kind to feral cats and they all came back to serve her after death.
Nanomachines, son!
Kobold with a Swarm of Velociraptors. That is all
*Flying* velociraptors. >:)
Not necessarily. The Velociraptors just juggle you in the air
Heh, that was my theorized pathfinder hunter build lol
@@BR4IN1N4J4R That is hilarious.
Character idea. Auntie edna Crazy old cat lady who throws shoes with a swarm of cats and tressyms (winged cats).
I think a Wisdom based Swarmkeeper taking the drudic warrior style to get thorn whip and shillelagh has a lot of potential as a defender character, especially in a heavy ranged party. Would have the ability to both pull enemies towards them and throw them around. Lots of ways to abuse web, plant growth etc. Would be a real pain in the ass for the GM! Also the mighty swarm enables them to knock a flying enemy out of the sky if they dont have a hover ability, fly spell etc which wont always come up but can be real clutch when it does.
Exactly what I’m doing for an upcoming game! Playing our own Unsleeping City but as kids. Playing the book worm kid who likes bugs and history. Carrying around a hollowed out quarter staff that stores silk moths. I’m absolutely ready for that shillelagh combo
Just to point out with the moving the ally, might be worthwhile getting yourself a blowgun because then its so terrible damage is fantastic!
With the ammo flavored as amphetamine syringes.
@@andrewzachar bruh I'm just seeing and I died on the spot
"Mage hand is a very handy spell"
I've failed the tasha's laughter save....
Not the bees! Not the bees! Aaaaaagh, my eyes!
@@kel8923 Beard'o'Bees, fully adjustable disguise, even on a centaur.
Pigeon man from “hay Arnold”
Spike growth can also boost dmg early on at the very least by just dragging enemies back and forth through it
Yup. Add in telekinetic for more movement. Though later on spirit guardians or any of the damaging wall spells would.do better..or mayb evards black tentacles.
I’m absolutely loving this. Dropping spike growth and punting enemies back into it once they get out just makes my soul sing. In later levels you get to knock them prone too! Sign me up. If going melee I can use that fly ability to hover or fly over the spike Growth itself for cheese. (Speaking of that, this flight also negates the need for Athletic rolls. So a centaur Ranger need no longer fear climbing.)
I love the idea of being a beekeeper who can control their bees
Treantmonk should optimize a built that only uses one die type, for hit dice, damage and all ability. Like a wizard that uses a greatsword and casts fireball, or a barbarian with a battle axe.
I was just thinking, hey I hope he does the swarmkeeper vid today lol
Knocking the enemy back through my spike-growth seems like a good earlygame combo.
Thank you for those amazing videos! I prefer the Fey Wanderer, but indeed the Swarmkeeper is interesting. I have so much hype for your sorcerer video ^^
Very nice to hear how good a tactical class it is! I just rolled one up a Grung Ranger this morning and I think a bunch of bugs will be perfect for him.
I used to read your build guides, and ever since I found your youtube page I've loved watching your videos. You're great!
Thank you!
Next video sorcerers? Yeeeeessssssssssssssssssssss! I cannot wait! Already starting the countdown.....
Thanks for doing these videos!!! Ranger is my favorite class and imop under appreciated.
That's the first Ranger subclass I really like. Thanks for the video!
I've been eagerly waiting for this specific review. My anticipation was really high when this subclass first hit UA, but I was pretty let down with the printed version. I knew you would have some useful insight to make me feel a little better about it though, and you did.
This was a fun video. I loved "you be Peter Pan... I'M BATMAN!" That made my day. Thanks for the introduction to this subclass.
Having played an Alchemist, I’ve found the 10’ flying speed really useful in exploration and even combat.
It is really slow but Longstrider keeps it concentration free and bumps the speed to 20’ which is enough to really get off the ground in round 1. For a Ranger, I might even consider grabbing the Mobile feat at higher levels. Like Longstrider it also boosts both walking and flying speeds.
I don’t use it every adventuring day but several times it’s had a very major impact.
Since the appearance is purely aesthetic, I'm fond of a small cloud that ebbs and flows around the character.
With the 5 ft movement and Swarming Dispersal, all I can think about is Bayonetta. Bat Within and her dodge mechanic all feel absolutely excellent when used as this class.
Your standard swarm can just be a swarm of bullets.
My new favorit Ranger subclass, can’t wait to try it out 🙂 Was actually hoping for something similar for the Circle of Spores Druid, but sadly no.
But the multiclass is thematic and fun and effective! (A little bonus action heavy tho)
If only the fly speed and extra damage progression of the swarm weren't so shitty I would nothing to complain about. Still the kit gets big points for flavor and it would be a lot of fun knocking around enemies and shoving them back into webs and masses of angry holy spirits.
My first character is level 4 swarmkeeper and a level one bard that is gonna be a college whispers bard. I'm gonna have some fun.
If you take mobile then the fly speed is 20
I'm currently playing a Kenku Swarm keeper who has ravens for his swarm. One of my favorite classes so far.
A year later, how has the build gone? I’m about to start a campaign and want to do Kenku SK as well. Instead of ravens I’m going with Shrikes.
Great guide bro🤘🏿
Thanks for that!
Disney Princess who sends swarms of songbirds by singing to them
Swarmkeeper + bard multiclass would be perfect then.
Gettin' mad Shrek vibes, my dude.
I love using the piercing feat to make the damage for the swarm 3d6. And getting to choose the better of the damage isn’t too bad either. Love it so far
I'm currently playing a Swarmkeeper that grows his own tobacco (background is Guild Artisan lol).
The swarm is his own smoke, which is conjured directly from his lit cigarette, that he smokes during the battle.
Nurgle vibes! Love it! Make a build based on Nurgle 😍👌
I’m starting a new campaign with a swarmkeeper. I’m starting off with a bag of tricks so, this is gonna be fun!
Great background art on this one, by the way. I find online art really inspiring for character creation, you often have good art elements but top-notch on this one for sure.
Any chance of crediting some of the artists? I'd love to see more.
Spike Growth is a nice spell you have access to that synergizes well with the 15 ft "shove". Up to 6d4 damage on the initial push, then forcing the enemy into difficult terrain that will deal even more damage if they want to get back to where they were.
yup. Telekinetic feat adds more pushing. The dmg is a bit meh for this type of build but it does look fun. Would definitelu be better with multiclassing. At least 2 fighter imo so you can do the combo on the 1st round of combat (the spike growth + atk spell for save vs. Push and telekinetic save vs. Push).
Great vid! Keep it up.
That Writhing Tide at 7th level sounds more like a save my character from fall damage than let me fly! It seems better used as a jump extender or fall safety net than a separate form of movement.
Sentinel and PAM is great for this class. You can stop an approaching enemy. And even if they can still attack you the first attack you can disperse and teleport away to waste the rest of its attacks. I think this subclass has lots of potential for either frontline or as a ranged archer and can be built in so many ways.
The swarmkeeper's 1d6 damage with no actions is a straight upgrade from the monster slayer's requirements of a bonus action and 60ft range. Monster slayer and hunter still need upgrades to bring them up to par.
Hunter isn’t shit but it also isn’t amazing
My main complaint is that all of it’s features give you either an option or another kinda forcing ranger into even more of a specialist
Hunter is very decent but its kinda outdated, they should've gotten an expanded spell list in tasha's
Thanks for another great vid. Do an echo knight/swarm keeper optimization build vid, plz.
Yeah ranger is very interesting now! But I'm playing a Changeling Aberrant Mind Sorcerer! Can't wait to see what sort of build you do with Sorcerer and those new feats.
Other suggestions for swarm flavor
- A swarm of moving living sand (Gaara)
- A magical spectral hand
Oooo loving the Gaara reference
A swarm of scarab beetles for that Egyptian flair. Play it on an Aarakocra wielding a spear and now you're Azir!
Yeah I built Gara as soon as swarmkeeper and genie patron for warlock came out. Eldritch blast/ gathered swarm (sand bullets) and the gourd for the genie vessel.
Shikigami.
No range limit on gathered swarm attacks. With the improved swarm knocking the target prone, a longbow or similar vs fliers will be lethal.
I'm wanting to make a kobold swarm keeper. Maniacally laughing as he unleashed the bugs
Finally I can play Skitter from Worm. Have all the bugs covered in capsaicin ready to follow your command!
Good vid. The tactical options i agree are nice but not a major draw for me. Dpr is still king imo. No need to control or be tactical if the opponent is dead on round 1-2 (gloomstalker).
I like that you made it cool like batman though mechanically for me i"d still play gloomstalker or fey wanderer ahead of this. I'd probably pick this is as my 3rd ranger subclass to play (and thats because i want to make an arcane archer build work well and it seems gathered swarm works well with grasping arrow).
Anyway looking forward to your review of the new sorcerers, 1 of my fave spellcasting classes. Keep.up the good work chris!
Bees dude! You can be the Candyman!
I am considering the option of a strenght ranger, with polearm master sentinel to move myself out of melee range of enemies with 5 ft or move them away and force them to re approach, also moving one's self for the +2 ac is even better as a melee hold the line type character and the control spells work well with the playstile, keeping emenies in the area thanks to sentinel, and last but not least flying can be very good for getting some pesky enemies in polearm range (as with ur reach being 10 and 10 ft flying you can reach 20 feet up and it can catch some enemies off guard) and even the resistance feature can ake you tankier and move you away from an enemy who you just sentinelled therefore making you immune to all other melee attacks they may want to make and likely all attacks since monsters can almost never mix up their attacks
Edit. Of course the same suggestions treantmonk has given when making a str ranger apply, take lvls into fighter first, 2 or even 3 with how good knocking people prone with battlemaster may be with sentinel and other control spells)
i was underwhelmed by this at first glance, but I played a dhampir swarmkeeper in curse of strahd and the thing you caught and pointed out - that the movement power pairs so well with the spell list - turned out to be crushing. Literally, since i paired it with dao/genie warlock and the crusher feet so that my swarm of scarab beetles emerging from the earth on hit could move them a little more. Another thing i initially overlooked is that there is no size limit on the movement or the prone, failing the str save is the only condition.
I just built mine and played it last Friday.
Triton race and my swarm is lampreys. Gross awesomeness
Swarmkeeper build I'm working on, a high Wis build to max save DC. I grabbed Druidic fighting style, and took Shilaleigh and Magic stone, which allow me to use Wis for my weapon attacks, and went Firbolg to boost Wisdom. As I level up I intend to max out Wis as fast as I can, and focus on Ranger spells that allow saves, Hail of thorns, Searing smite, Web is from the Swarmkeeper list, and Healing spirirt keys of Wis as well.
I'm a little worried that I have too much B.Action stuff, and might be a slower build up in combat.
Something you didn't mention, the swarm can move you five feet for free which means you have a free disengage. I think this might be unique to this class, rogues get disengage for a bonus but they don't get it for free. I'd possibly dip that swarmkeeper ranger for the free disengage on a rogue or barbarian especially since I think you can use this to pull a squishy into your deadly embrace. As a rogue, throw a dagger drag that squishy caster in close then wallop them with a sneak attack. I also like the idea of swarm carrying a thrown weapon to it's target enveloping the target and dragging it to me.
I do just want to point out the words are written on gathered swarm as “when you hit an attack” so you could use a cantrip or spell on that if it’s an attack roll
Swarm makes me think of Taylor from the webnovel Worm. She can be scary, even with butterflies.
Take 4 lvls of swarmkeeper and one of wizard. Take Booming blade and use a spear. Go custom lineage or variant human. Take polearm master and warcaster feats. Use your familiar to give yourself advantage on your first attack. After you hit, move yourself back 5ft. When they move to attack you they get hit with booming blade damage, then initiate an attack of opportunity from you that is another booming blade and you move back another 5 ft. Add hunters mark on top of that for extra damage.
I know I’m late to the party here, but appreciate the pun at 6:33
It’s obviously not gonna come up in most campaigns, but Insect Plague has great synchronicity with Feral Senses at 18th level. You trap the enemy in this 20 foot radius, heavily obscured sphere that’s difficult terrain, AND you don’t have disadvantage to attack them! A great combo. Combine it with plant growth, transmute rock or spirit guardians. Just keep smacking ‘em back into the middle of the sphere.
this subclass is pretty cool, but i wonder if the warlock, e.g. fathomless w/ Evard's BT, wouldn't manage to do the exact same thing but better. If we compare, hand crossbow swarmkeeper w/ CBM+SS vs. warlock w/ moderately armored + CBM, with invocations for control repelling blast + grasp of hadar, the warlock version has several advantages: no saving throw on displacements, multiple repels per round, +2 AC (shield), more flexible use of bonus action, no dependency on 2 main stats, much better at keeping concentration, especially for fathomless' EBT. Movement, misty step, etc can still be used to compensate for the less flexible direction of displacement. And way more choice of AoE hazard spells. On the other hand, SK gets more flexible direction displacement, and potential for more damage on restrained enemies using SS, archery FS which negates the effect of the dual stat build. All other features from both classes are different and provide various advantages, but not at the core of power level comparison. Web and EBT are roughly the same spell with the same power level. All in all, both builds are cool mechanically speaking, but i would still give a slight edge to warlock due to no saving throw required on moving ennemies, only hit.
I was looking at this because I wanted to try this out, but seeing we have 1 maybe 2 rangers in our group (one might've dropped out), I'm going to try this in a different group. At level 17, adding insect plague to swarm dispersal is going to be wicked.
Any fans of the Uutak Mythos or Worm will love this one.
Very interested in making a melee swarmkeeper build that can utilize BA attacks to flit around the battlefield. One option would be Ranger X/Monk 1 using a spear or quarterstaff with Dueling fighting style & PAM to get the most out of martial arts Dex & unarmored AC. Another option could be TWF style with Dual Wielder feat to get +1 AC and maintain the BA attack, maybe using a whip for reach
Kind of a bummer that the swarm damage is never said to become magical, so the additional d8 on hits is likely to be much less useful from level 5 onwards
Batman? Sold.
The thing for a Swarmkeeper ranger to do with the Conjure Animals spell is, of course, to conjure swarms ...
okay, now I somewhat see what I got wrong.
Its not JUST a "once a turn 1d6 damage". Either the class has other things that make up for it, or that is not the main application.
But I dont think either of those cases hold true for the rune knight or the psi knight.
Ok this is great. I have an idea for a Swarmkeeper, Wildfire druid. But I am not sure how to optimize it.
So you can force-move enemies. And Spike Growth is a Ranger spell. Now it's not just Dao Warlocks who can play cheese-grater...
I accidentally got a taste of this with my Paladin of vengeance when my DM allowed me to tame a swarm of bats.
Can't wait to make one and have The Plagues on repeat lol.
Im running a skyship campaign with floating islands. This subclass is extremely broken in my setting. But also a lot of fun!
Fun for 3D flying adventures..Squirrel suits , gliders & parachutes could add tons of possibilities..
For anyone looking for a fun Holiday themed character, you could be the pigeon lady from Home Alone 2 with your swarm as pigeons. Youre welcome
Half cover also adds +2 to dex saves
"I like my rangers like I like my coffee: covered in bees!"
Hunter has been left in the dust with the 5e powercreep but its good ranger now has competitively good subclasses
I wish hunter was more powerful, because some of its abilities are very nice
My main issue with the 10ft flight is that you can't use it after moving. By RAW whenever you switch movement types you subtract distance already moved, so after moving 5ft you have 25ft walking or 5ft flying. After moving 10ft you have no flying, 20ft walking. It would've been better if the feature stated you could fly 10ft in addition to your regular movement. That way you could run to a wall, fly straight up, and continue waking. There would be niche uses for it. As it is written you basically have to be within 10ft of wherever you want to fly at the start of your turn.
Twilight cleric 17/ Swarmkeeper 3 is control beast! Pop Spirit Guardians,use thorn whip, combine it with teammates AoE abilities if any and unleash the mayhem on the battlefield, while being tanky, supportative
and yet damaging character.
This will most likely put the target on your head XD
This is how i'd probably go as well using spell attack cantrips to trigger gathering swarm. However i'd put in 2 levels of fighter as well for action surrge so you can setup the spirit guardians + spell attack combo on round 1. You can also add the telekinetic feat to move one more creature.
@@TheRobversion1 Oh yeah, Forgot to mention Telekinetic Feat .
That's a great addition to the whole shtick.
Also, druidic warrior can make you pretty SAD, using Shillelagh for some melee goodness .
@@Andrija722 yeah though imo not as integral.if you can get good cantrips from rhe cleric plus good spell attacks like guiding bolt.
Thoufj fighting style wise, yeah might as well take it. It just that at least you arent shoehorned into it if you wanted to take something else like defense fighting style.
@@TheRobversion1 I agree, there is a lot of versatility here.
Edit. Does it mean it's magical piercing on that d6, also, does the d6 become added on a spell attack too?
Halfling ranger with a swarm of hummingbirds!!
While going further into ranger here does gain benefits. I had been thinking of mixing this with wildfire druid. Action move with swarm and bonus action teleports with fiery teleport. Tactical hummingbird ranger/druid.
I start a new campaign on Sunday and this has inspired me to give this subclass a try. Would you recommend a melee or ranged build? Is Crossbow Expert into Sharpshooter still going to be immense? Thanks for the video, I love your work.
Ranged is probably the better option.
@@TreantmonksTemple thinking about it further, ranged synergises with the ability to fly (even if it’s not very far/high). Are there any feats that might often be overlooked but synergise well with this subclass?
@@jonathanholmes3149 PAM could be useful if the enemy is reliant on melee attacks and is out for your blood. Pairs well with a quarterstaff and the combat style that gives you druid cantrips to grab shillelagh. Mobile would pair extremely well with the level 7 ability, as the +10 to speed from that applies to all movement. Shield master *can* lead to a total of 20 feet of movement. Keep in mind that, thanks to the wording of the feat, you can use that bonus action shove before making the weapon attack. Shove, advance, attack, swarmshove. Crusher is a similar situation that does NOT eat your BA and is more likely to work. StRanger/Shillelagh choice. Make the DM really, really irritated. Sentinel w/crossbow expert can do nice things for you by merit of pulling the enemy within 15 feet and making it much harder to get away. Consider it to effectively be +15 to your movement in terms of getting an enemy within 5 feet of you. Once your swarm can knock enemies prone, grapple feats start to pair well. Prone it, grapple it. Slasher can pair with the forced movement to severely limit the enemy's mobility. Halved movement, moved 15 feet, and possibly knocked prone? Great way to really mess with that enemy's options. Slasher is compatible with finesse weapons. Telekinetic, as a BA, would also allow for a ton of forced movement.
Feels a bit like the ranger version of the tactical/utility rogue subclasses. I'm also imagining what could have happened if the twins in Vox Machina swapped classes.
spike growth; scorching ray or jim's magic missile
I'm thinking of playing Madmartigan and the swarm is gonna be those awesome little sprite aholes
this is a blast from the past, They were called brownies, I loved the amount of shit they talked.
I think whimsical elf with a swarm of tiny colorful birds could be cool
If this subclass had a feature where you could Frighten a lot (like the Fey Wanderer does), it would be very Batman.
Rogue (Scout) + Ranger (Swarm Keeper) could be a fun mobility style of character.
Finally, Sorcerers!
Stirges!
A flock of stirges.
1d6 piercing damage from stirges embedded in your enemies!
I feel like Swarmkeeper here has untapped potential as a crit fishing build. Just using half-orc as a race and favored foe you can get your weapon dice, orc dice, swarm dice, and favored foe dice all doubled. Multiclass into this after 3 levels of Champion Fighter and just take all your following levels in this and you would be very scary from 6th overall level onwards. Especially if there is any party synergy with giving advantage out
Swarm dice doednt work with crits. It doesnt happen on the attack. It is delivered by your swarm after a successful attack.
Gloomstalker works best for crit fishing due to extra attack and always on advantage.
@@TheRobversion1 We're gonna have to tell DNDBeyond and Roll20 this if its true, it's been rolling those on crits
@@KarmaEpsilon well you could if you want. IMO the way i understand it RAW wise is the extra dmg is delivered by the swarm (kind of like a pet delivering dmg) and not actually you (so if you crit it's not included). The dmg isnt a magical part of your weapon (or your spell attack if you are using that to trigger it) or due to a maneuver you do nor is it a spell buffing you or cursing your opponent. It comes from a different source. But if your DM allows you to do it, why not? extra dmg is always good.
@@TheRobversion1 No I went back and reread it it definitely happens after the attack "hits" but whether that is separate or with damage seems totally up to the dm. "immediately after the attack hits" is both specific and vague at the same time, i was just letting the algorithm tell me what the ruling was since I'm playing online with the pandemic and everything. As a dm I should really keep a closer eye on this stuff. Personally I will let it keep applying as such, (because damage happens immediately after an attack hits too you know?) but I definitely understand the other viewpoint.
@@KarmaEpsilon imo its not a big deal if it doubles on a crit. just an extra 3.5 points of dmg that happens rarely. The gloomstalker still will be the better critfisher especially if multiclassed into fighter and using elven accuracy (6 attacks at level 8 on round one without using bonus action, all with advantage). That's 18 d20 rolls on round 1 to hopefully land a crit.
IMO the swarmkeeper lends itself more to a caster type control ranger over a martial critfisher.
I had a 3 level forge dip. My swarm was a cloud of embers.
A Swarmkeeper/Echo Knight multiclass that can turn his swarm into a human-like creature
I like snake swarms.
If I were to multi class, it would be with druid. Circle of spores might be interesting
Okay, here's my next character: I'm making a Dhampir Swarm Ranger just like in Dracula Untold. So I'm going all the way to the lvl 17 flight/teleport. But what do I multiclass in for 3 other levels and when, to make this the best it can be? Rangers already do some of the best damage in the game, but what do I mix this with to put it over the top with my concept? Hexblade for the curse? Arcane Trickster for the SA damage and stealth? College of Whispers for the Psychic damage? WHat does the crowd or Treantmonk think?
Such a cool concept. Do you have any build ideas?
Yes, but I'll be saving them for another video.
You can officially make Squirrel Girl now.
When you move onto Sorcerer next week is it possible to look at the savebuster build? Shadow pluse Mind Sliver looks unstoppable...or is there a better save buster out there?
if you're looking for someone who can make.saves almost.impossible, the best bet is eloquence bard + wild magic sorcerer..while quicken mind sliver is great, the eloquence bard boost outclasses it.
Assuming level 7 wild, level 3 eloquence (to actually have a strong control spell), you can:
bonus action: -1d6 save eloquence
reaction: -1d4 wild
action: banishment or polymorph with heightened metamagic disadvantage.
Oh and of course cast through one of those magic items in tashas that provides penalties to saves.
Finally