Real horse training , look at the horse's ears, if you know anything about horses they are not enjoying the dance but they are not fighting neither. Excellent training wish I could send a couple of my mutts over there to get some manners!!!
you know they actually traet thier horses really well at the end ..around 4:30 ish I though they were gonna hit the horse when he fell off but he didnt..and the are all in Tip Top shape wow Beautiful
They enjoy Bull fighting and wristling WWF but consider horse dance a cruelty ...LOLZZZ. Horse is a dimond and we give him angles through dance ! Brilliant job !
Well, they do look happier than some dressage horses. But there are also dressage horses who look happier than these horses. Obviously, the happiest horses are the ones that get to stretch their necks and other muscles while playing with their companions in a nice big meadow. This may not be ideal, but I also wouldn´t go as far as calling it cruelty.
You see the rider falling at the end of the video? do you think a horse can put his rider down without any violent reaction in other places? Nothing on this video shows more injuries to horse than any legal competion in all disciplines. Thoses dancing horses are beyond all training. Amazing.
CRUEL?!?! i see no cruelty, i see healthy happy horses! You wanna see cruelty then go to a sight that says animal cruelty. They are not beaten, and a horse will not do something that he doesn't like. The horse isn't pushed, pulled or dragged. They look like they are having fun and thats the way it should be. I think its awesome that the horse can do something like that, way cool tricks. Loved it!!
Just because it's different doesn't mean it's painful. Haven't you ever seen the Lipizzaners being trained? That doesn't look to practical either. The horses don't look distressed and are being rewarded constantly
How do you know they whip the horses? Do you know how this training is done? Not being rude -- just don't know how these horses are trained to do this, was wondering if you know. True, it looks strange because we are not used to seeing this sort of thing. But, it is what they do. Is it any stranger than dressage? Or barrel racing?
i really dont see why people are getting so worked up and calling this abuse, its not, the horse would not do it if it didnt want to, and the culture they are from all but worshops the horse, a horse is held higher in a mans heart than his wife over there.
Just so people know, the horse is one of the most revered animal in the Qu'an. They are considered close to Allah. The horses are treated better then some people.
nice video, love the horse dancing and the tent pegging. shows the beautiful culture of punjabis and for you ppl who call this abuse go suck a toe because it is no where near abuse, iv seen how they are trained, isn't it abuse when the westereners have rodeo festivals? so stop hating and enjoy the video
Yes I agree, I have even heart that the horses are forced to have a boiled potato in the mouth as some kind of punichment - dont know if its not true anyway - but all people uses train-methodes which is non the less painfull for the horse
Sorry Jasper, I still don't see the horse being whipped. But, no matter. I would not train my horses to do such things, but every culture is different -- to each his own. I train my horses for trail riding, moving cattle, team penning. Probaby these folks think we are cruel for riding our horses. Cheers!!
the diffrence is with Lipizzaners they are watched for years then trained to do the moves they do best and it is no way like what this man in the video did what he did is abues you can tell by how the horse is
A horse CAN be treated in this way for some minutes at time, and then maybe be left alone and still be a fit horse otherwise! Horses adapt to some cruelty if treated good rest of the time! BUT - it's still cruelty to force the horses muzzle down to it's chest, AND force it to trot kneeling at the same time! Check out at 1:56 in this video above!!
For all the people ranting about "open mouths" "whips" "pulling on their mouths": head off to your local pony club next weekend and tell me that the little kids there dont reef, haul, boot, whip and scream at their ponies.
we shouldnt be so fast to judge someone just by a video. The only way to judge someone is to go to where these horses are and see for ourselves, see where they are housed, and how they are trained. A video alone is not going to show us anything. Anyone can call anyone else an abuser but what if that person was wrongly accused and it was the person putting up videos of their wonderful creatures up, that when you finally go behind the scenes, that the animals are actually being abused. think.
Als der Erschaffende das Pferd erschaffen wollte, sagte er zum Winde: Von dir will ich ein Wesen gebären, das geeignet ist, meine Vereher zu tragen. Dieses Wesen soll geliebt sein von allen meine Sklaven, es soll aber gefürchtet sein von allen, die meinen Geboten zuwiderhandeln.
The only thing about this I really don't like is the forced headset with the bit and the short reins.. Seems to be a very big thing with the Marwari people. Otherwise, funny as it looks, I can't really complain - the horses aren't terrified or resisting, they come right out of it and perk up and a few of them actually get praised. They're in good weight and look healthy. It looks funny to me, but I can't say abuse. Would just wish they'd loosen the reins a little.
i agree with turtle08s i really dont think they are happy, more pissed off then anything. they cant be happy. the average weight of a horse that size is between 800-1000 lbs, all that weight on 2 feet and doing stuff like that... i wonder how sound they will be when they are older.
you know there some kind of a law in those country, the last drop of water will always be for the horse, over mother and children. I don't know many people who cherish more their horses that Arabians, their horses is the sun and the moon to them so i'm wouldn't worry much about the horse's health, which obviously quite good... and btw I don"t see many difference between this and European dressage, at least the horses heads are not glued to their necks...
whats the point of making a horse lift its legs in an exaggerated gait wearing heavy, awkward shoes? or making them race around barrels? or be forced to hold their heads tight to their chests and do a bunch of different gaits around an arena? human entertainment.
I understand that this is part of culture but IMHO this does not prevent it from being cruelty. Especially if it was proved that one of these actions harms the animal. - I watched a video couple of weeks ago about how tying the horse chin into his chest will break the muscles on the top of his head and cause harmful internal wounds. This is enough to include this action in cruelty actions list
Well that one guy was whipping the horse AS the horse was doing as he asked....and already that is poor training, no release. And usually at a "show" they do not whip the animals.....if the whip them at the show can you imagine what they do in the privacy of their own place.
I think jumping horse's joints are much more at risk that thos horses's legs, and yet no one is saying anything about it...I really don't see how this is torture, it doesn't look that different to european dressage to me...
@universalradio Dressage is NOT the most stressful discipline for horses. Have you ever heard of Thoroughbred racing? Do you know how many hundreds of horses die on racetracks every year from racing related injuries? Dressage is not stressful, but it is demanding. Horses develop a great deal of strength, muscle, and balance by doing dressage. It is the foundation of ALL other disciplines. Let me know when you hear about a horse dying from a dressage accident, then we'll talk.
MrFRISKYWHISKY - If you could just see how the civilized military of Pakistan makes horses dance as well - horses and dogs are the most civil of all animals, and can be tamed to do whatever ! Is playing fetch not cruel and humiliating? These horses simply LOVE to dance - and mind you, there owners might sleep hungry, but they make sure that their horse is cared for and spend a hefty amount on their food and well being ! Search for Horse and Cattle show !
this does not hurt them watch their ears they r clean pulled backed 2 listen but not in a mad position and dont winy bout their joins jumping weel destroy a horses joints ok
The movement that they are trying to do is a natural movement But these horses have been trained incorrectly and cruely . U can tell by how animated the movement is and the amount of tension! The movement should be done with relaxation as well as the right amount of tension . Tension that's not stress. These movements are forced instead of willing ..theyve made them mentally insane.. I hate seeing such things :/
i hate that. i hate all of these guys who think it's okay to punish a horse like that. it DOES NOT look normal. it is NOT trained in a human way. if i could, i would try to change something, and i wont post it on TH-cam, this is not a webside to show all people how to get a animal hurt.
@chantalvbeusichem Its called "EVOLUTION" you should not question animal intellect. This dancing trait exits in arabian horse and where ever arabs went this trait went them including some breeds of horses in spain, subcontinet, south america and mid east.i mean same goes to parrots, they are not taught to speak like humans but naturally they have ability to mimick sounds. There are tons of video even on youtube of birds of paradise in austraila, africa etc which will confirm my statement.
I have trained and riden many horses in my life so far and this horse is very irratated and this style of movment puts alot of stress on the hind leg muscles wich builds up painfull lactic acid and not to mention the incredible strain that this particular "movement" puts on the cannon bone and fetlocks of these horses. These people need to be educated on natural movments of the horse and embrace THOSE motions not this clown act. Appreciate the horse for what it is not what we can make it!
denn dir gehört die Liebe des Herrn der Schöpfung. Du sollst fliegen ohne Flügel, du sollst siegen ohne Schwert. Mohammed Allah wird euch bestrafen für das, was ihr diesen armen Tieren angetan habt -.-
Yes, I think so too, they are not forcing the horse for a very long time at once, which is a good thing, but they shouldn't force the horses AT ALL! Horses cannot breathe with a neck flexed that hard with the muzzle touching the breast! This IS cruelty, please help stop it!
That first black horse is VERY talented! Such balance is amazing!!
Shows how truly willing horses are(:
omg!! the horses look like there having so much fun!!!! their ears are fwd and everything. hehe there so BEA-UTIFUL!!!!
Real horse training , look at the horse's ears, if you know anything about horses they are not enjoying the dance but they are not fighting neither. Excellent training wish I could send a couple of my mutts over there to get some manners!!!
I'm sure horses would rather be in a herd eating grass while they are out on a relaxing trail ride or just being groomed as well.
hehe, horsey conga line xD when the bay is dancing and the other horses are following that's what I think of :P but truly beautiful!
This is awesome and the horses used are trained and well looked after, its like dressage but more raw.
I really don't see this as cruel. The horse seems to be enjoying his job. They are not doing anything that is putting the horse in pain.
you know they actually traet thier horses really well at the end ..around 4:30 ish I though they were gonna hit the horse when he fell off but he didnt..and the are all in Tip Top shape wow Beautiful
O can admire athleticism. And these horsesare athletes!
They enjoy Bull fighting and wristling WWF but consider horse dance a cruelty ...LOLZZZ.
Horse is a dimond and we give him angles through dance !
Brilliant job !
Well, they do look happier than some dressage horses. But there are also dressage horses who look happier than these horses.
Obviously, the happiest horses are the ones that get to stretch their necks and other muscles while playing with their companions in a nice big meadow.
This may not be ideal, but I also wouldn´t go as far as calling it cruelty.
You see the rider falling at the end of the video? do you think a horse can put his rider down without any violent reaction in other places? Nothing on this video shows more injuries to horse than any legal competion in all disciplines.
Thoses dancing horses are beyond all training. Amazing.
1:19 that horse was jukin' hard as hell !!!
OMG, amazing, good thing to train =P
@TheEquine These horses are having fun?? Are we watching the same video?
I don't know why everyone hated this video. It looked like they were just making them dance.
CRUEL?!?! i see no cruelty, i see healthy happy horses! You wanna see cruelty then go to a sight that says animal cruelty. They are not beaten, and a horse will not do something that he doesn't like. The horse isn't pushed, pulled or dragged. They look like they are having fun and thats the way it should be. I think its awesome that the horse can do something like that, way cool tricks. Loved it!!
indeed, i guess i also see some spikes? or am i wrong? @ 1:19
Just because it's different doesn't mean it's painful. Haven't you ever seen the Lipizzaners being trained? That doesn't look to practical either. The horses don't look distressed and are being rewarded constantly
it looks like varry varry nice
Niiiice....
i have a headache now coz of this..
not coz of the music.
but because i glared at the screen so hard.
How do you know they whip the horses? Do you know how this training is done? Not being rude -- just don't know how these horses are trained to do this, was wondering if you know. True, it looks strange because we are not used to seeing this sort of thing. But, it is what they do. Is it any stranger than dressage? Or barrel racing?
@TheEquine
The only critism i have is that the reings are 2 tight on the black horse in relax mode. Thats all.
these horses r so pretty and not all of them perked up
Well, check out the horse at 1:56 who is having it's front knees to the ground and kind of trotting forward...
Looks like the horses are being held down and then out of fear they try running forwards...
Great!
EXACTLY my point! Thanks!
i really dont see why people are getting so worked up and calling this abuse, its not, the horse would not do it if it didnt want to, and the culture they are from all but worshops the horse, a horse is held higher in a mans heart than his wife over there.
Just so people know, the horse is one of the most revered animal in the Qu'an. They are considered close to Allah. The horses are treated better then some people.
Rebecca Dooley well if that is so I REALLY don't want to know how they treat "some people"
not everything you have never seen before is horseabuse oke?
nice video, love the horse dancing and the tent pegging. shows the beautiful culture of punjabis and for you ppl who call this abuse go suck a toe because it is no where near abuse, iv seen how they are trained, isn't it abuse when the westereners have rodeo festivals? so stop hating and enjoy the video
I think that isn't painful. I live in Slovenia and I am very clise to lipica so I know how they teach lipizzaners and I know that isn't painful.
primer caballo que veo perreando y bailando regueton
No, I actually don't think so! That would leave scars, I cannot see any scars! Maybe they use a very sharp bit though!
LOL. Was I the only one that saw the submliminal commercial pop up in the middle?
That is sick.
I feel so bad for the horses it looks cool but it has to hurt them so bad!!!
that "music" would make any animal act fking crazy
How I get hear from Mr.Rodgers
The horse IS trained in a HUMAN way, but noway trained in a way good for HORSES! But I understand, and agree - it does NOT at all look NORMAL!
what breed of horses??
@TheEquine
Also on the brown and the white further in the video.
HERMOSOS ANIMALES
los que ven este video hay un ser vestido de naranja que parece un ser muy especial parece D.......
Yes I agree, I have even heart that the horses are forced to have a boiled potato in the mouth as some kind of punichment - dont know if its not true anyway - but all people uses train-methodes which is non the less painfull for the horse
Sorry Jasper, I still don't see the horse being whipped. But, no matter. I would not train my horses to do such things, but every culture is different -- to each his own. I train my horses for trail riding, moving cattle, team penning. Probaby these folks think we are cruel for riding our horses. Cheers!!
the diffrence is with Lipizzaners they are watched for years then trained to do the moves they do best and it is no way like what this man in the video did what he did is abues you can tell by how the horse is
is that a marwari or kathiawari?
@RoDeeOGaMiNgQuEEn no they're not watch their ears as they're down (pinned) and then when they get up.... do you see a difference???????
A horse CAN be treated in this way for some minutes at time, and then maybe be left alone and still be a fit horse otherwise! Horses adapt to some cruelty if treated good rest of the time! BUT - it's still cruelty to force the horses muzzle down to it's chest, AND force it to trot kneeling at the same time! Check out at 1:56 in this video above!!
For all the people ranting about "open mouths" "whips" "pulling on their mouths": head off to your local pony club next weekend and tell me that the little kids there dont reef, haul, boot, whip and scream at their ponies.
the horse as scares n his/her back to their rump
i hear metal not leather reins
we shouldnt be so fast to judge someone just by a video. The only way to judge someone is to go to where these horses are and see for ourselves, see where they are housed, and how they are trained. A video alone is not going to show us anything. Anyone can call anyone else an abuser but what if that person was wrongly accused and it was the person putting up videos of their wonderful creatures up, that when you finally go behind the scenes, that the animals are actually being abused. think.
That looks so painful for the horse. Such a shame, that such beautiful animals have to do that. I wonder how long they live
Als der Erschaffende das Pferd erschaffen wollte,
sagte er zum Winde:
Von dir will ich ein Wesen gebären, das geeignet ist, meine Vereher zu tragen.
Dieses Wesen soll geliebt sein von allen meine Sklaven,
es soll aber gefürchtet sein von allen, die meinen Geboten zuwiderhandeln.
what do you mean?
The only thing about this I really don't like is the forced headset with the bit and the short reins.. Seems to be a very big thing with the Marwari people. Otherwise, funny as it looks, I can't really complain - the horses aren't terrified or resisting, they come right out of it and perk up and a few of them actually get praised. They're in good weight and look healthy. It looks funny to me, but I can't say abuse. Would just wish they'd loosen the reins a little.
i agree with turtle08s i really dont think they are happy, more pissed off then anything. they cant be happy. the average weight of a horse that size is between 800-1000 lbs, all that weight on 2 feet and doing stuff like that... i wonder how sound they will be when they are older.
So das..poor Horses. They had to learn about horsemanship..
If a horse /didn't/ want to do it. It wouldn't.
you know there some kind of a law in those country, the last drop of water will always be for the horse, over mother and children. I don't know many people who cherish more their horses that Arabians, their horses is the sun and the moon to them so i'm wouldn't worry much about the horse's health, which obviously quite good... and btw I don"t see many difference between this and European dressage, at least the horses heads are not glued to their necks...
Don't know what to say to this, but it doesn't look good..
AYE SURE TTHE WAY THEY TRAIN THE HORSE DOTO THAT IS CRUEL not one horse in this world would do that for fun
krank!!!
whats the point of making a horse lift its legs in an exaggerated gait wearing heavy, awkward shoes? or making them race around barrels? or be forced to hold their heads tight to their chests and do a bunch of different gaits around an arena? human entertainment.
Because it's not what these people are used to so they feel it's wrong...
I understand that this is part of culture but IMHO this does not prevent it from being cruelty. Especially if it was proved that one of these actions harms the animal.
- I watched a video couple of weeks ago about how tying the horse chin into his chest will break the muscles on the top of his head and cause harmful internal wounds.
This is enough to include this action in cruelty actions list
Well that one guy was whipping the horse AS the horse was doing as he asked....and already that is poor training, no release. And usually at a "show" they do not whip the animals.....if the whip them at the show can you imagine what they do in the privacy of their own place.
I think jumping horse's joints are much more at risk that thos horses's legs, and yet no one is saying anything about it...I really don't see how this is torture, it doesn't look that different to european dressage to me...
@universalradio
Dressage is NOT the most stressful discipline for horses. Have you ever heard of Thoroughbred racing? Do you know how many hundreds of horses die on racetracks every year from racing related injuries? Dressage is not stressful, but it is demanding. Horses develop a great deal of strength, muscle, and balance by doing dressage. It is the foundation of ALL other disciplines. Let me know when you hear about a horse dying from a dressage accident, then we'll talk.
No, but pain is the worst way of teaching, otherwise you shouldn't even put a saddle on a horse at all :)
MrFRISKYWHISKY - If you could just see how the civilized military of Pakistan makes horses dance as well - horses and dogs are the most civil of all animals, and can be tamed to do whatever ! Is playing fetch not cruel and humiliating? These horses simply LOVE to dance - and mind you, there owners might sleep hungry, but they make sure that their horse is cared for and spend a hefty amount on their food and well being ! Search for Horse and Cattle show !
I loose my faith in humanity when i read all these comments..
yeah sure, keep telling yourself that... everybody knows that a horse wants nothing more but being in a herd eating grass...
this does not hurt them watch their ears they r clean pulled backed 2 listen but not in a mad position and dont winy bout their joins jumping weel destroy a horses joints ok
This is not okey, its so wrong as it can be. "Break a leg" got a new meening?!
The movement that they are trying to do is a natural movement But these horses have been trained incorrectly and cruely . U can tell by how animated the movement is and the amount of tension! The movement should be done with relaxation as well as the right amount of tension . Tension that's not stress. These movements are forced instead of willing ..theyve made them mentally insane.. I hate seeing such things :/
horses where not ment to do those kinds of moves it has to put way to much strain on their bodies
Sosad
Sad! I tink the don,t like it ! The are pulling on the bit !!
yup
I sooo agree! Please help stop this kind of cruelty to horses! This is so very unnatural and abusive!
i hate that. i hate all of these guys who think it's okay to punish a horse like that. it DOES NOT look normal. it is NOT trained in a human way. if i could, i would try to change something, and i wont post it on TH-cam, this is not a webside to show all people how to get a animal hurt.
@chantalvbeusichem
Its called "EVOLUTION" you should not question animal intellect. This dancing trait exits in arabian horse and where ever arabs went this trait went them including some breeds of horses in spain, subcontinet, south america and mid east.i mean same goes to parrots, they are not taught to speak like humans but naturally they have ability to mimick sounds. There are tons of video even on youtube of birds of paradise in austraila, africa etc which will confirm my statement.
I have trained and riden many horses in my life so far and this horse is very irratated and this style of movment puts alot of stress on the hind leg muscles wich builds up painfull lactic acid and not to mention the incredible strain that this particular "movement" puts on the cannon bone and fetlocks of these horses. These people need to be educated on natural movments of the horse and embrace THOSE motions not this clown act. Appreciate the horse for what it is not what we can make it!
Yeah, the poor things, always willing to please the hands that feeds it! Please help stop this cruelty to horses!
thats animal abuse do you see how hard they are pulling on the bit
i really think this is cruelty, look at his back legs, he is probley in so much pain, horses legs cant stand that kind of pressure.
seit ir doof ich mache so was mit meinem Pferd auch nicht
denn dir gehört die Liebe des Herrn der Schöpfung.
Du sollst fliegen ohne Flügel, du sollst siegen ohne Schwert.
Mohammed
Allah wird euch bestrafen für das, was ihr diesen armen Tieren angetan habt -.-
that is torture!!
poor horses!!!!!!
@TheEquine And why do these idiots make the horses overstech their necks?! [ 2:25 ]
Marwari
mishandeling!
Yes, I think so too, they are not forcing the horse for a very long time at once, which is a good thing, but they shouldn't force the horses AT ALL! Horses cannot breathe with a neck flexed that hard with the muzzle touching the breast! This IS cruelty, please help stop it!
zero relief from the bit. They probably use the same kind of spike bits the Indians use.