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“The first country the Nazi’s conquered was Germany” a great quote to help understand that there were many germans who were simply caught between a rock and a hard place, and had to fight for their country, not the nazi party
Yes everyone thinks because Germany ruler was a nazi everyone is a nazi no that is false it like say that the USA present Biden is a democratic everyone is the USA is democratic so thanks you for posting that.
While not every German was a Nazi, they had the support of the vast majority of the German people, especially after the socialists and Communists were crushed. This notion that the people were duped or coerced into supporting them is disingenuous and patronizing; they knew how bad the Nazis were from the very beginning, but they supported them for simple reasons like “they’re good for the economy” or bc they thought not doing so would hurt their chances to get promoted. Check out Milton Meyer’s “They Thought They We’re Free” or better yet, just listen to Behind the Bastards podcast episodes about the “little germans”, the regular people who made the Nazi’s ascent to power possible. Perpetuating this notion that the German people were victims devalues the lessons one could learn from them, which might help explain the current rise of Fascism all across the world, especially in the USA.
@@Perfectly_Cromulent351 Also because ignorance is a bliss. As soon as those bombs started falling over Berlin they got the gist of what actually was going on. We shouldn't thrive for the "an eye for an eye" philosophy, but sometimes there isn't any other way to get the point across and instill some common sense.
@@Perfectly_Cromulent351 The problems are indeed politician that gain power and gain access to military, by simply enticing and lying to people, promise them paradise and give them death. That is also happening today. It doesn't matter what kind of "society" is build, politicians are peoples worst enemies and as soon as we understand that, we will be having much larger peace.
Such is the disposition of a central European conformist. It kind of had to happen anyways, this was an era where even Churchill and the Brits talked about wiping Germans out before it all began. It was just a horrible, mouth-frothed time. With the Soviets leaning on the border, having no internet, having to accumulate all your understandings from books and personal experiences.. It was just fate. A sad fate for literally everyone. Well, almost. But only that; most. The circumstances were that everyone had to fight for their countries and such at that point, I think ideologies came lastly in the end of all things.
Beck, don't ever apologize for trying to learn new things. Asking questions is a sign of intelligence and curiosity. Both my grandparents served in WW2. My grandmother was in the Army Nurse Corps and my grandfather was on a destroyer in the Pacific. Both just passed away in the past few years at 95 and 98 years old.
@@MrYabber ... and typical. At least she took the correction well, and was willing to reconsider her position, which is more than you can say for most.
7:32 There is a difference between fighting for your country and fighting for a political party. It's like saying that if you're in the British army you must support Brexit. Most German soldiers in WW2 were fighting for Germany as Germans, not for the Nazi party as Nazis. However, that said, many still committed horrible atrocities, but this is also true for most armies of this war. Furthermore, just because they were fighting for Germany and not the Nazis, that doesn't mean the ideas of the Nazis didn't effect them at all.
The friend here is not at all about whether or not German soldiers were members of the NSDAP, but whether they committed crimes. In the early stages of WW2, when Germany won, most of the German army was ordinary soldiers. It was not until 1943 that the large SS divisions began to assert themselves in the Wermacht. So if a German is crying here that not every German soldier was a Nazi, then it is true, but most of the crime was committed by the regular German army.
It also doesn’t help that he constantly refers to German soldiers as all nazi soldiers in the video, it’s hard not to be somewhat smug when you see “nazi soldiers” getting bodied
I hate how the original video says "Nazi Soldiers" instead of "German Soldiers" because it leads to the same that Ms. Norseman had in the reaction. Not all the Germans were Nazis, in fact most weren't. As a matter of fact, if any Nazi party members joined the German navy, they would be forced to give up their partyship because they valued duty over party.
@@theeternalsuperstar3773 Yeah, I would hope that the phrasing would be fine and self-explanatory what was meant and what was intended... But it is understandable for some people to have a wrongful impression or idea. I find it hard to imagine assuming or believing that an entire nation's military were exclusively evil individuals and that the Nazi elite, having committed what they did, wouldn't be above brainwashing and threatening one's loved ones/family members for forced conscription, etc. But I also believe she probably never sat and really put deep thought into it, and just wasn't aware; so she had a more black and white view. These two reactors spoke about it very well though, props. And she seems like a sweetheart and I'm certainly not questioning her intelligence or something. I also appreciate that he is clarifying this not just to prevent her from getting hate, but so that no german's watching potentially have their feelings hurt. It's a devastating subject to begin with. Cheering German deaths (I'm not saying she was doing so!) is a thing, and it's so wrong.
Annoyed me as well. I suppose the purpose is not to rub it in on present-day Germany, so that the it feels better to say "Nazi armies" and "Nazi troops" were invading and committing atrocities rather than "German" ones.
I recommend the movie "Come And See" directed by Soviet filmmaker Elem Klimov. It shows the war highly accurate and drastic from eastern europe perspective through the eyes of two children.
@@user-qq8yv6qz4m He's probably pissed because his Nazi buddies are presented as the monsters they were in the movie. He's also wrong, if what he means is the Soviets are presented positively. I watched Come and See (amazing movie) - the Soviets, while certainly presented better than the Nazis, are generally presented as either bloodthirsty or callous, and a bad influence on the young protagonist.
One thing that people don't seem to understand is that in the Soviet Union a lot of Soviet troops even generals admitted that if it wasn't for the United States sending them materials they probably wouldn't have won this war since they got a crap ton of material from the United States such as steel and iron and copper and food. So in reality It was a team effort that won the war not the Soviets on their own, but can't dismiss the massive Russian sacrifice. Everyone did their part and won the war together.
@@stratejic1020 It is especially funny to hear how the Allies helped the USSR in the war, when the United States supplied oil to Nazi Germany until 1943. The USSR was already leading a full-scale offensive against the Nazis by 1944, the help of the Allies only reduced Soviet losses, but was not a radical turning point of the war. Stop talking nonsense already.
@Stratejic USA was helping the Nazi with resources & oil stop lying. How can you supply Russia when U-boats control the sea another western lies to convince themselves they did something even the fight for Berlin U.K,USA stayed out of it knowing it was a death trap so again the Russian step up to end the German machine for good. You been watching too much Hollywood movies it's not real.
@@user-pd1kw3rg1g stop spreading bs propaganda what happened was that Standard Oil through its South American subsidiaries were selling oil to Germany.
nah. its kinda boring and doesnt tell enough. he was just pretty late forced to join the army. there are better videos about "real" vets fighting o the fronts.
@14:15 A great book to learn about the trauma that the Einsatzgruppen (mobile killing units) went through is "Ordinary Men" by Christopher Browning. It's one of the most important books I've ever read in my life. Way to often when we talk about history we view it from the side of the victims, but rarely do we think about the side of the perpetrators. It's frightening really.
That's the whole reason they came up with the gas chambers. It creates an emotional distance between the murderer and the victims. The Nazis literally industrialized murder, just to go around the natural disgust humans have for that kind of act.
Thanks to both of you for taking an interest in history, especially this time period. I wish my own kids would have the curiosity that the two of you demonstrate.
I love your shared interest in history and your earnest desire to expand your understanding. It’s so cool and I share your enthusiasm. Beck, no need to put yourself down. We all start out learning something for the first time. It’s your willingness to learn that counts.
My grandmothers brother was 19 when he got drafted directly from the obligatory military conscription. His family and him tried everything so he could stay home. It didn't work. He had to go to Russia and went missing after 6 months. He was 20. He didn't ask for any of this, nor did he know everything that was going on like people these days do because they have got hindsight and a computer. Being sent to war was a death sentence, especially if you were sent east.
Если бы не народ СССР , все бы в концлагерях сидели . Люди должны бороться со злом и несправедливостью ежедневно и строить хороший мир и дружбу народов. И помнить сколько миллионов жизней стоило отстоять это . th-cam.com/video/-SW-3HTQd7Q/w-d-xo.html .🥀😥
My maternal great great grandfather Richard Samuel Baker was a ARP warden during the London Blitz, he was killed on the 9th of December 1940 during a air raid. He was 53 years old.
I very much enjoy this channel. Becc is the main reason I watch with all the interesting videos presented. I love her comments and curiosity. Very much appreciation here!
I've read once that about 5-10% of the world population died in the Mongol conquests (the world population was 400 million people). The brutality of these conquests were sometimes insane, terror for example was a deliberate strategy to make cities surrender without even fighting (if they resisted, they were made an example, and almost everyone killed). And you could even add the death count of the Black Plague, which is thought to be a byproduct of the war between the Mongols and China.
This was dead serious. I'm not being flip. And you two seem more real than most who do reaction videos to play themselves up. I truly appreciate it. Thank you. Some of my uncles volunteered and died. My dad had lung cancer and was turned down.
My grandfathers brother fought on the western front. He was deeper in France when Normandy happened. He surrendered by Belgium and spent the remainder of the war in a Canadian POW camp and then immigrated to America. When asked about the war he would only say you do what you have too to survive. He wouldn't talk much about his time fighting. But he did admit he knew about some of the atrocities but was to afraid to say anything out of fear of being severely punished and or executed. He always said he was a coward and that he would have to make peace with that when he dies and meets God he would be punished for his non action. I don't condone the actions that the Germans did in World War II I myself do not know what I would do if I was in my grandfather's brother's position I hope I would be a better person but I'm not sure if I would and I hope I never would have to make that choice
That German comment was amusing, but I understood. Franz Stigler was a good one. Had the opportunity to shoot down a B-17 but it was wounded and defenseless so he actually escorted pilot Charlie Brown of "Ye Olde Pub" back to the channel, saluted, and left. Both pilots survived the war and met up years later.
I have a recommendation to help her better understand that not all germans in ww2 were bad. Basically any video where german veterans were interviewed here on TH-cam. The one's that are most popular are relatively short, so I'm not asking for a documentary, just some short video(s)!
I definitely will check those out! I don’t know why it didn’t occur to me that people might have been threatened and forced into being in the German army and into doing all those terrible things. Thank you!
A lot of that is revisionist history. The fact of the matter is is that most Germans were either Nazi’s or indifferent about the Nazi’s and passively supported them bc they saw the personal benefits of doing so. You also had an entire generation raised on propaganda and early military indoctrination through the Hitler Youth, so one could argue that a lot of that was out of their hands, but it doesn’t change the fact that regular troops committed indescribable atrocities, especially in the east and especially when compared to other combatant nations. There’s this narrative these days that these soldiers were “forced” into fighting, and while they may have been true once the tide turned, most went eagerly.
History is written by the Victor's the British used scorched earth in South Asia against Japan where 3 million civillians starved . I'm not saying that Nazi were good. But Churchill was no Hero. 😞 What's worse is that British didn't even try to save them Churchill ignored his governors advice.
@@jonathonfrazier6622 I don't agree Churchill's move was heavily criticized by his Governor And Offers of Grains from Australia were Ignored I believe you are either British or Don't know Anything about Scorched earth tactics you evacuate the citizens before using it instead Churchill left them to die. If you are so proud ask anyone who is from Myanmar Bangladesh or India Who do you like more Hitler or Churchill They would say Hitler
You should see the interviews of German veterans. For example some who fought during the D-Day said they couldn't even look while shooting because it was atrocious from their point of view. It's also a bit sad that many soldiers fought for their country and received medals but they cannot show them because there are swastikas on them and (almost) everyone consider them monsters because of pop culture. Also consider that today we know a lot about WW2 but when it was happening people didn't have the same access to information as we have today and they didn't have the whole picture, especially in regimes like the Nazism, so it's hard to say what was the general actual feeling in the German lines, whether or not they realized what they were doing, etc
I think it's also important to point out that almost 1 million British soldiers died in WW1 (double that of WW2), and 1.5 million French soldiers died in WW1 (almost triple that of WW2). Not to say that the death toll of WW2 is in any way less significant, but that's why remembrance day is still so important.
If you want to learn more about the Mongol invasions I cannot recommend Dan Carlin's "Wrath of the Khans" hardcore history episodes highly enough. It's a five part series on the Mongol invasions with each part ranging from 1-2 hours in length. Carlin does a TON of research putting together hardcore history so it goes into amazing detail and he's brilliant at keeping it entertaining as well. He had a background in radio before he started doing his history podcasts.
*27 Million Soviets* *20 Million Chinese* *7.4 Million Nazis* *6 Million Jews* *4 Million Dutch east Indies* *3.1 Million Japanese* *2.5 Million Indian Soldiers(under British Army)* *3 Million all others combined*
18:15 For soviet people there was no dilemma. This is about ideology. For example in my school all graduates went on front the next day after war began. Graduation was on eve of beginning war(same day for all USSR) Few of them back. We've got a memorial with their names on school wall. And we've got museum on the groun floor in school. with letters and different stuff of this war. Building of school was a hospital in 1941-45 People go to front and fight till death not for relatives, but for survival of our nation. And we believed that we defend not only USSR, but the whole world.
Thank you. In the comment section of your "Oversimplified - Cold War Part 2" video, i recommended that you both should watch this video and the second one, that was done by the same guy, which estimates the consequences of a nuclear war at the height of the cold war. I don't know if you saw my comment and reacted to this video because of it, but nevertheless, good timing. I also would like to point out that i'm not offended by what you said, although i am a german and the grandson of a german WW2 veteran. I think the reason why WW1 casualties are not that high is mostly because of the amount of civilians that were killed in both wars. While there were of course civilian casualties in WW1, it is not even close to the amount of civilian deaths in WW2, because of mass bombings and ethnic cleansing. Regarding military deaths it was still devastating. For example, for both France and the UK WW1 was still the bloodiest war in history because they lost more people in WW1 than in WW2. There is a video made about the casualties of WW1 in the same fashion and inspired by this video, but its not from the same guy. If you would like to learn more about the german perspective of WW2, there are some interviews of german WW2 veterans here on youtube. There is also a very good movie, consisting of, i think, 3 parts. I think in english the title is "Generation War". In german the title is "Unsere Mütter, unsere Väter" which means "Our mothers, our fathers". So, now i have smashed everything i wanted to say in one comment. I hope this is more convenient than writing multiple comments.
Many people know about Auschwitz but few seem to understand about Dachau, which was the second most deadly concentration camp. My great- uncle was in charge of the liberation as they moved into Germany. They took all the German soldiers line them up and shot them after seeing what atrocities they had done. Only two German soldiers survived that day 13 year old boy and a nurse. The SS were the ones that you would call a Nazi, the rest of the German army were conscripts or people forced to fight.
It’s important to note for the An Lushan Revolt, which is the deadliest war percentage wise, that the numbers are likely to be completely off, because after the war was over they ended up switching the way they did their census and it just generally became less accurate, so there’s probably a lot of people missing from that data that just got counted as deaths when they took the difference
Stalin did not allowed civilians to flee because that would send a message to the germans that the people were willing to defend their city at all cost and because it would raise the Soviet morale , something like that.
As you pointed out most Germans weren't all that interested in war. A bit of proof I have of that is actually in my family history - during WW2 my Great Grandfather was drafted into the Luftwaffe, which he couldn't refuse. If he had tried, or ran for that matter, him, his wife, and four children would be sent to a concentration camp to be exterminated since they were traitors. As such he reported for duty, so that way he knew his family at least had a chance to survive. Also there is no need to feel bad for not knowing, most people think that Germany was complicit and supported the Nazi regime. Hell I use to think the same thing until my Grandmother told me about my families history!
Most radical nazis at the time were kids. Because in 1933 Hitler changed the education system to indoctrinate the youth into the nazi ideology. And to believe the aryan race was superior.
The nazis and the regular German military We're 2 different people the nazis Are the ones you think of when you think of World War II Germany but the regular German military They didn't always like what the nazis were doing Which is why towards the end of the war The Americans fought alongside the German military against the nazis. It was called the battle of castle Itter. The Battle of Castle Itter was fought in the Austrian North Tyrol village of Itter on 5 May 1945, in the last days of the European Theater of World War II. ... It is the only known time during the war in which Americans and Germans fought side by side against the nazis.
The numbers attributed to Stalin are VERY generous at 20 million, 140 million would be quite unreasonable due to the fact that the total population of the Soviet Union after the war was about 100 million at most.
Since you're British, I recommend watching RealLifeLore's video "The Loss Of Life in WW1 Visualized". It's the equivalent of this one but not for WW2. WW1 remains the bloodiest war in British history.
16 percent is almost one in 5. When you add wounded there's almost a 50 percent chance that any person you met at the end of the war in Poland knew someone who was dead or wounded.
love seeing people give these sorts of videos attention. My grandfather fought for the British in WW2 against Rommel in Africa. He was a South African who like many living in British dominions at the time, answered the King's call for soldiers. He was captured and imprisoned in a Nazi POW quarters in Ukraine. "thankfully" he was Anglo-Saxon & Christian so they let him live, had he been jewish like some of his comrades he would've been sent to Auschwitz. His is just one story of millions, of which many never got to be told
What’s weird about not hearing much about the Asian theatre is that we had British colonies in Asia that REALLY helped us in the war. It’s wrong that we don’t get taught about it.
One thing that's important to recognize when looking back on events like these is that, given the events going on in Germany at the time, whether it be kids being sent off to camps to be "educated", where boys were taught only to fight, and girls were taught to have children, or how not greeting someone with the phrase "heil Hitler" was grounds for at least arrest, if not execution, many of the soldiers weren't "Nazi's". It's a bit like saying all of the soldiers fighting for the U.S. were democrats, since the democrat party largely controlled the U.S. Government at the time. Recognize that, for average people, like you or I, if we were born in Germany when the Nazi's were in power, we would be Nazi's. It's nice and all to think that you would resist the evil oppression of the time, but would you really? Would you risk not just your life, but the life of everyone around you for the sake of resisting, when realistically speaking, you likely wouldn't have even known any better? Or would you keep your head down? Very very few people resisted in Nazi Germany, because doing so often meant death. For the overwhelming majority of the German population, they didn't have a choice, and for the ones that did have a choice, it was often criminally stupid to resist. What's also important to recognize, is that these people were, well, people. With lives and families, as much as you or I. For many, it was simply their job, even if they didn't agree with the cause they were fighting for. Take Soviet deaths, for example. The soviets were initially allied with Germany, does them switching sides midway through the conflict suddenly make their deaths sad now? Or were they sad to begin with?
You make an extremely valid point. I believe the degree at which people complain is entirely dependent upon their life experiences. You have to imagine, people that lived through WWII, half of them went through a massive depression, then straight in to WWII. If they saw us making such a fuss about a virus like this, they'd shake their heads in disgust.
Yeah I don't think so. Given how many people would have been alive during the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918. I think they'd agree with "making a fuss" about COVID.
There's always a lot of anger towards soldiers of our enemies. But most German soldiers were average persons, like you and I. They were drafted or forced to serve the Nazis. People don't understand these days, in a world where your nation and mine are entirely volunteer soldiers. But like American soldiers who were sent to fight in Vietnam even though the didn't support the war... Soldiers do as they're told or, they are arrested and sometimes faced firing squad. In WWII, a German soldier was afraid to disobey orders because the SS squads brutal..and they didn't want to face them.
Mmm not really. The Nazi Party was the overwhelming popular party in Germany. Germany and Italy as fascist countries during WWII are incomparable in their countries’ leading parties. Hitler, unlike Mussolini, had a massive approval rating amongst the German common-person. Mussolini was quite literally ripped from his place in government and hanged by his people. I’m not doubting that there were plenty of German soldiers who weren’t Nazis, but there is a reason why Hitler lasted for so long there and had such raving support among his people. Germany, much like Russia for the prior 30+ years before WWII, was beyond torn in regards to politics, their economy, and unification of the German people. The way that the Entente punished Germany in the Treaty of Versailles was the final straw in the creation of a country whose politics surrounded the absolute genocide of an ethnicity that the German people felt they had no other choice but to blame. Over the course of 15 years, German leadership grew stronger and the economy began to stabilize under Hitler’s war efforts. This gave the people a purpose to follow him. It was most certainly an act of coercion through force, but also through Hitler’s emotional wit and his strength as a leader. Do not be fooled by this above comment into believing that “most” were forced to serve the Nazis. It was a choice that the majority of Germans (who had not fled or had been snatched up by the police) made and stood by up until their eventual loss.
@@GamingSaurusRexYTube hmmmm interesting but not completely true. The Nazi party wasn't originally the majority. They used fear and force to take power and to grow their numbers. In the 1932 election runoff, German Chancellor Paul von Hindenburg had 53% of the vote, Hitler had 36.8%. Under a hostile political climate, Hindenburg appointed Hitler as Chancellor in January 1933. When Hindenburg's died in 1934, Hitler assumed the presidency, which he combined with the chancellorship to become the Führer und Reichskanzler. People joined the Nazi party for multiple reasons, out of intimidation, to fit in, to gain or hold onto wealth or power...not all of them were in compliance with the Nazi ideology.
I think its important to note here, there's a difference between a German soldier and a Nazi soldier. Many German soldiers were fighting for the Nazi ideology but not necessarily by choice. Some did, I'm sure. But many more didnt. Germany suffered under Hitlers regime as well, and soldiers he controlled by threatening their families. So, if someone had a gun to the head of your 4 year old daughter and will pull that trigger if you dont fight for the fuhrers cause, what do you intend to do? There's no excuse for what Hitler did, and there's no excuse for the atrocities his Thrid Reicht did, and they did much. But don't forget the larger group of soldiers who were trying to save their families but doing things that they didn't want to, but understanding they had no power to change it. Most parents I believe would make this same choice to save their children.
I watched the movie Midway the other day. I knew the story of Doolittle's Raid. They flew to Japan off of an aircraft carrier.and did a bombing run. Then just made it to China and bailed out. There were 80 US airman on that raid and the Chinese people tried to help the survivors escape the Japanese. The Japanese killed an estimated ¼ of a million Chinese in retaliation.
As a son of an American Ranger, that served D Day and Hurtgen Forest, I'm still learning. I had to explain to my 14 year old, that it's easy to hate, but hard to love and forgive. I'm a combat veteran myself, but I don't hate my enemies. The Germans didn't want to fight. The Nazis were the evil ones. Don't confuse the two. Much of history is not in the history books. I have mad respect because you are willing to learn. Many don't and want to assume. That's why there is still so much hatred. I'll be watching from a far. Much love. There is another video that is similar, about WW1, called The Dead of WW1 Visualized.
every one of us has the potential for evil. its necessary to realize this to understand what humans are capable of. and why all sacrifices in this war is just truly a true tragedy on all sides.
If you enjoyed this I highly recommend you watch the fallen of WW1 visualized by real life lore if you haven't watched it already, it's a amazing video
My grandfather get hit by airplane bomb and died in 1944 when he bring at railway cargo train food. He was railwayman. My grandmother live with my 3 years old fahter and 1 years old aunt. Tapa town ,Estonia.
I hate how they call the Germans Nazis in this video. Most of the German lives lost were the men of the Wehrmacht the German military, they had nothing to do with what the NSDAP(Nazis) did and they also knew nothing about it. The German military was just fighting for their country and family not the party. So I hate it when she said they are fighting for the Nazis, because they weren't fighting for a dumb party. The fact is the German Military and the SS had a bad relationship towards each other. Also She sees the world in black and white because the world is grey. also not all of them wore the SS uniform. There were the Wehrmacht, SS, Luftwaffe, and Kriegsmarine. only one of those is a branch of the party which is the SS.
Сразу понятно что они не до конца понимают то что видят-бравые американцы уже в голливуде показали как войну в одиночку выйграл Брюс Уиллис-остальное для них фейк.
On Stalingrad fight was winter wheater temperature -40 Celsius degrees and wind 20-25m/sec ( until 55 mph ) . Tanks and trucks oils frozen and diesel too frozen must be make fire under trucks and tanks.
When discussing the use of the Atomic Bombs in 1945 against Japan, the official documents include both cities as military targets because the Japanese civilians would have joined in fighting the Americans and the Allies, had the planned land invasion (Operation Downfall) of the Japanese Home Island taken place. Not saying that it was a good thing, but it was necessary to end the war and save countless millions on both sides. This kind of all out total barbaric fighting was seen in previous battles such as Okinawa and Iwo Jima along with several other battles during the Island Hopping Campaigns. The Japanese believed that surrendering was a former of dishonor and that fighting to the death was the only way to achieve honor. People don't understand how devastating a full land invasion of the home island would have been not just to the Americans and Allies, but to the Japanese citizenry which would have essentially been wiped out.
Were the atomic bombings necessary to end the war quickly? Yes. Were they still unforgivable atrocities and crimes against humanity? Also yes. Killing people is still horrible, the intent is important to understand why, but it doesn't change the fact that you're still killing people.
In my opinion we shouldn't judge someone from the past form their actions. Nowadays people have different mentalities in comparison to the people from those days. Today when you think about honor and patriotism you think about loyalty, honesty, respect, integrity and love your country and love your identity and you dont need to follow politics or serve in the army to show patriotism. While in those times honor and patriotism meant serving the armed forces, serving your leaders and obey and bringing honor to your family's name and flag. Keep in mind that in the past it was normal and the norm to own slaves and now times has change because people change. That's why we shouldn't judge people from their actions based on our morals.
17:47 On Stalin's mentality... Stalin had a son, Yakov Dzhugashvili, who he hated and was later captured by the nazis. The nazis thought they could use him as a bargaining chip to trade back to Stalin in return for Nazi generals. In response, Stalin said, "I do not trade generals for soldiers". 🤯
@@Volthoom - You are correct. Though the gist of the quote stands. It's been simplified, an accepted bastardization version of what he said. To paraphrase from an article in Russia Beyond, dated OCT 22, 2020 by Boris Egorov ... "After the battle of Stalingrad, the Germans used the mediation of Swedish diplomat Count Folke Bernadotte and the Red Cross to offer Stalin an exchange of his son for Field Marshal Friedrich Paulus and several dozen high-ranking 6th Army officers held in Soviet captivity. Today, we can only speculate about what Stalin thought about such an exchange. The established view in the Soviet Union in the post-war period was that the Soviet leader replied icily to the German proposal: "I won't exchange a soldier for a field marshal." There is no documentary confirmation, however, that he actually uttered this phrase. The supreme leader's daughter, Svetlana Alliluyeva, recalled that a little after these events, in the winter of 1943-44, her agitated and incensed father referred to the failed deal: "The Germans proposed exchanging Yasha for some of their people… Was I to start bargaining with them? No, war is war." www.rbth.com/history/332880-why-didnt-stalin-rescue-his-son
17:47 Another mistake. GUlag was not a camp. GULag is "Главное Управление Лагерей" (Headquarters of camps). Not a camp itself. It was labour camps for criminals and traitors. Conditions were tough (climate and war times). Things prizoners did, built etc. were important for country, for victory. Somebody should did it. And better criminals suffer (trying to atone their guilty) then innocent people. Innocent people work hard too at time of war. Interesting fact that In USA prisons nowadays are more people then at all stalin's prizons for all time. 40% of all nowadays prizoners are in USA. Remember Guantanamo? It still exists. Wemen and children starving, but not on the streets. They work hard anyway, Even children. Interesting fact: there were no unemployment in USSR. At all. Untill your f*cking democracy in 1991. People were not rich, but they all had job, free medcine, free education (school, high school and University), free travelling across our big country and they didn't starving. There were no jeans, Macdonalds, porno and other such stuff, but they got more important things. You sold us silly idea of infinite consumption instead producing. =\ P.S. Excuse me. too much emotions)
If you guys want to learn a little bit about what the Chinese went through during WWII then please react to "Playing the Victim | Historical Revisionism and Japan" by Knowing Better.
I always shed tears because of So Much loss of life. And to show the American spirt and resilience you could watch the video "BOATLIFT - AN UNTOLD TALE OF 9/11 RESILIENCE (HD)" And she shouldn't be made to feel bad, no one is born with knowledge... knowledge is sought out. And I give her respect to be willing to take the time to do so.
Dont you worry girl, holding your own opinion with what level of information you have about something is totally natural! Say whatever your thinking, i and others will appreciate that :)
I suspect part of the reason the Chinese front gets sidelined in WW2 (from a European/American view) is that the land war in China actually predates the invasion of Poland so from a European/American perspective it almost isn’t viewed as “actually” WW2 because it doesn’t fit the continuity of events that drew the European combatants (and their colonies around the world) into war. Somewhat similar to how as an American WW2 “really” begins with Pearl Harbor on dec 7th 1941 everything before is acknowledged so as to explain the situation but is largely glossed over and limited in detail. Honestly, what is weird is that US history focuses on the European start, despite the 2nd Sino-Japanese war actually being more relevant with regards to how the US got brought into the war than the invasion of Poland.
You should React to "The Last Tiger all cutcenes" from Battlefield its pretty good summarize how the War affected German soldiers and especially the different characters of them
Soldiers in the Wehrmacht weren't necessarily all forced to fight... that being said, the Nazis were very good at manipulating information (to the point that even today, a lot of people believe falsehoods manufactured by the Nazis about the Soviet army). When Germany invaded Poland, they made it look like it was Poland that started it, so that public opinion in Germany wouldn't be against the war. Most Wehrmacht soldiers weren't really aware of the atrocities the SS were committing behind the front lines, because the Nazis were hiding that information to the general public. There were rumors, of course, of what was happening, but when you're drafted to go fight somewhere, rumors aren't really going to be a priority in your mind. So even though not all of the Wehrmacht soldiers were forced to fight per se, it still doesn't mean they were all Nazis. The great majority of German people, be it civilians or soldiers, became aware of what was happening when it all ended. That being said, however, we can still debate about a lot of things surrounding that whole issue. Let's not forget that a lot of people still supported the Nazis despite knowing they were antisemites and warmongering. It's just that the great majority weren't aware of the extermination thing, which was a step too far for many people and the Nazis knew it (hence why they decided to hide that information). Oh, and mobile killing squads *were* made of SS soldiers. Those can be considered to be the bad guys. They were brainwashed by the Nazi regime to be totally loyal to the cause. Those knew what they were doing and weren't exactly forced to do it. But it still had an effect on their mind (I mean, even Himmler was disgusted by it), so they came up with the gas chambers. They considered it "cleaner", and it didn't have the psychological effect that directly shooting people had (which even their brainwashing couldn't eliminate). They literally came up with industrialized murder to go around the natural psychological response that any human would have from killing huge numbers of people.
for the conversation around 14:50, there is no evidence of soldiers being killed or reprimanded for refusing to kill civilians and "degenerates". These mobile killing squads were almost exclusively made up of people who volunteered so that they could do that kind of work.
Maybe it doesn't make sense, but being drafted for the Nazi military (read German military) would be no different from any other military draft past or present, whether it was Germany, US, UK, USSR/Russia, Japan, etc. Most of those kids were oblivious to the incoming disaster, and barely cognizant of the meaning of war, as is the case with today's soldiers who are generally too young to be instilled with the needed wisdom to show the middle finger to the state.
7:34 Aaaaaaaaaah woman!!!! Thers sooooooooooo much to say about her words (mostly the fact that she definitely were not thinking at that moment), she did say she didnt know though, and thats why history is soooo damn important.
Beck, you don't need to be sorry for slagging off Nazi's haha. They were awful. It's just important to remember that many Germans were not Nazi's, many were just innocent men, women and children and many fought against the Nazi's and were killed for their efforts. Toward the end of the war many old men and young children were drafted (as young as 13 years old) to fight against the allied forces entering Germany. Two examples of Germans who resisted are Sophia Magdalena Scholl and her brother Hans Fritz Scholl who both executed by the Nazi's for their White Rose anti-war movement and anti-Nazi resistance, sending pamphlets out that argued against the Nazi's while they were at the University of Munich. They were both executed by guillotine for "high treason". Sophia was only 17 years old and her brother was 24 years old. It is also important to remember that Nazism is a political ideology that was held by many non-Germans in places like Austria and the Czech Republic. The Nazi's also set up governments in countries they conquered, like Norway, France, Denmark and other places, that were run by people from those countries that believed in Nazi ideas. In Norway for example, the Nazi's installed a man called Vidkun Quisling as Prime Minister of Norway. He was a Norwegian military officer and politician but also a Nazi. After the war the Norwegian government charged him with embezzlement, murder, and high treason for his collaborating with the Nazi's, and he was executed by firing squad.
I feel she should feel bad, there is a difference between a bad nazi who believed in what they were doing and a German soldier who was already in the army before the war started and was serving his country and didnt support what was happening. She shouldn't say something that people will find offensive without thinking. Like I said there is a big difference between a german who believed in being superior and executing civilians left and right and a german soldier who hated what was happening. Most didnt even know about what was truly happening. I might just unsub tbh lol
Loved the interlude. And yes I really do understand her point. But just to add to it a little, my granddad was Polish of German stock. He was made to fight for Nazi Germany on the threat of execution. He was stationed in Normandy on June 6 1944 and was scared shitless throughout, and really didn't want to be there. A few weeks after D-Day, he and his Polish mates surrendered to the advancing American army and was then transported to Britain. So yeah, the Wehrmacht really was made up of various 'kids' with varying degrees of fanaticism. I'd guess the vast majority were fighting just to stay alive.
if you like history, please look up dan carlin. does a great series on ww1, eastern front of ww2, the khans of se asia (extraordinary) amongst others. he's on youtube but also has a website.
Currently watching Operation Valkyrie 💪🏼
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You should watch the youtube channel TierZoo, start with the videos The Primate Tier List, Are Humans OP?, What if Humans were Nerfed?, What's the Best Human Support Class?, How Humans Broke the Game, and Is Religion a Flawed Play Style for Humans?.
You should watch movie Come and See (1985) also known "The Scariest Film Ever Made ISN'T a Horror Film"
@Hans historian mark feltons video on it is good
“The first country the Nazi’s conquered was Germany” a great quote to help understand that there were many germans who were simply caught between a rock and a hard place, and had to fight for their country, not the nazi party
Yes everyone thinks because Germany ruler was a nazi everyone is a nazi no that is false it like say that the USA present Biden is a democratic everyone is the USA is democratic so thanks you for posting that.
While not every German was a Nazi, they had the support of the vast majority of the German people, especially after the socialists and Communists were crushed. This notion that the people were duped or coerced into supporting them is disingenuous and patronizing; they knew how bad the Nazis were from the very beginning, but they supported them for simple reasons like “they’re good for the economy” or bc they thought not doing so would hurt their chances to get promoted. Check out Milton Meyer’s “They Thought They We’re Free” or better yet, just listen to Behind the Bastards podcast episodes about the “little germans”, the regular people who made the Nazi’s ascent to power possible. Perpetuating this notion that the German people were victims devalues the lessons one could learn from them, which might help explain the current rise of Fascism all across the world, especially in the USA.
@@Perfectly_Cromulent351 Also because ignorance is a bliss. As soon as those bombs started falling over Berlin they got the gist of what actually was going on. We shouldn't thrive for the "an eye for an eye" philosophy, but sometimes there isn't any other way to get the point across and instill some common sense.
@@Perfectly_Cromulent351 The problems are indeed politician that gain power and gain access to military, by simply enticing and lying to people, promise them paradise and give them death. That is also happening today. It doesn't matter what kind of "society" is build, politicians are peoples worst enemies and as soon as we understand that, we will be having much larger peace.
Such is the disposition of a central European conformist. It kind of had to happen anyways, this was an era where even Churchill and the Brits talked about wiping Germans out before it all began. It was just a horrible, mouth-frothed time. With the Soviets leaning on the border, having no internet, having to accumulate all your understandings from books and personal experiences.. It was just fate. A sad fate for literally everyone. Well, almost. But only that; most. The circumstances were that everyone had to fight for their countries and such at that point, I think ideologies came lastly in the end of all things.
Beck, don't ever apologize for trying to learn new things. Asking questions is a sign of intelligence and curiosity. Both my grandparents served in WW2. My grandmother was in the Army Nurse Corps and my grandfather was on a destroyer in the Pacific. Both just passed away in the past few years at 95 and 98 years old.
Yea well making false statements on something you know little about, is idiotic .
@@MrYabber ... and typical. At least she took the correction well, and was willing to reconsider her position, which is more than you can say for most.
She didn’t ask a question. She assumed all were bad and her boyfriend politely educated her.
7:32 There is a difference between fighting for your country and fighting for a political party. It's like saying that if you're in the British army you must support Brexit. Most German soldiers in WW2 were fighting for Germany as Germans, not for the Nazi party as Nazis. However, that said, many still committed horrible atrocities, but this is also true for most armies of this war. Furthermore, just because they were fighting for Germany and not the Nazis, that doesn't mean the ideas of the Nazis didn't effect them at all.
True, you spared me from writing this.
The friend here is not at all about whether or not German soldiers were members of the NSDAP, but whether they committed crimes. In the early stages of WW2, when Germany won, most of the German army was ordinary soldiers. It was not until 1943 that the large SS divisions began to assert themselves in the Wermacht. So if a German is crying here that not every German soldier was a Nazi, then it is true, but most of the crime was committed by the regular German army.
It also doesn’t help that he constantly refers to German soldiers as all nazi soldiers in the video, it’s hard not to be somewhat smug when you see “nazi soldiers” getting bodied
sincerely the Whermacht was so Guilty as SS
all was not nazi
but all was without merci and kill civilians whithout hesitation
Couldn't have said it better myself
I hate how the original video says "Nazi Soldiers" instead of "German Soldiers" because it leads to the same that Ms. Norseman had in the reaction. Not all the Germans were Nazis, in fact most weren't. As a matter of fact, if any Nazi party members joined the German navy, they would be forced to give up their partyship because they valued duty over party.
The maker of the video mentioned it in the comments that he regretted saying nazis and should’ve said Germans.
@@melkor3496 I know. I just wanted to discus my gripes. Especially since the reactors likely didn't read that clarification the creator made.
@@theeternalsuperstar3773 Yeah, I would hope that the phrasing would be fine and self-explanatory what was meant and what was intended... But it is understandable for some people to have a wrongful impression or idea. I find it hard to imagine assuming or believing that an entire nation's military were exclusively evil individuals and that the Nazi elite, having committed what they did, wouldn't be above brainwashing and threatening one's loved ones/family members for forced conscription, etc. But I also believe she probably never sat and really put deep thought into it, and just wasn't aware; so she had a more black and white view. These two reactors spoke about it very well though, props. And she seems like a sweetheart and I'm certainly not questioning her intelligence or something. I also appreciate that he is clarifying this not just to prevent her from getting hate, but so that no german's watching potentially have their feelings hurt. It's a devastating subject to begin with. Cheering German deaths (I'm not saying she was doing so!) is a thing, and it's so wrong.
Exactly. He claims “oooohhhh she didn’t know doiiiii” and look, they made the same mistake😂😂😂😂... idiots.
Annoyed me as well. I suppose the purpose is not to rub it in on present-day Germany, so that the it feels better to say "Nazi armies" and "Nazi troops" were invading and committing atrocities rather than "German" ones.
I recommend the movie "Come And See" directed by Soviet filmmaker Elem Klimov. It shows the war highly accurate and drastic from eastern europe perspective through the eyes of two children.
It’s also packed with Soviet propaganda
And also Ivan’s childhood
@@KaiserJ51 And what is propaganda in this film? Propaganda of what? Answer me!
@@KaiserJ51 bruh u probs didnt even watch the film
@@user-qq8yv6qz4m He's probably pissed because his Nazi buddies are presented as the monsters they were in the movie.
He's also wrong, if what he means is the Soviets are presented positively. I watched Come and See (amazing movie) - the Soviets, while certainly presented better than the Nazis, are generally presented as either bloodthirsty or callous, and a bad influence on the young protagonist.
Now you know why Russians celebrate May 9 so much, Victory Day. This victory went to the Russians very dearly, it must not be forgotten.
Россиянам?...вы уверены?
One thing that people don't seem to understand is that in the Soviet Union a lot of Soviet troops even generals admitted that if it wasn't for the United States sending them materials they probably wouldn't have won this war since they got a crap ton of material from the United States such as steel and iron and copper and food.
So in reality It was a team effort that won the war not the Soviets on their own, but can't dismiss the massive Russian sacrifice.
Everyone did their part and won the war together.
@@stratejic1020 It is especially funny to hear how the Allies helped the USSR in the war, when the United States supplied oil to Nazi Germany until 1943. The USSR was already leading a full-scale offensive against the Nazis by 1944, the help of the Allies only reduced Soviet losses, but was not a radical turning point of the war. Stop talking nonsense already.
@Stratejic USA was helping the Nazi with resources & oil stop lying. How can you supply Russia when U-boats control the sea another western lies to convince themselves they did something even the fight for Berlin U.K,USA stayed out of it knowing it was a death trap so again the Russian step up to end the German machine for good. You been watching too much Hollywood movies it's not real.
@@user-pd1kw3rg1g stop spreading bs propaganda what happened was that Standard Oil through its South American subsidiaries were selling oil to Germany.
you guys should checkout memoirs of ww2’s German vet interview
nah. its kinda boring and doesnt tell enough. he was just pretty late forced to join the army. there are better videos about "real" vets fighting o the fronts.
@@semiramisubw4864 There is another one th-cam.com/video/4maBAsQWz4U/w-d-xo.html
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@14:15 A great book to learn about the trauma that the Einsatzgruppen (mobile killing units) went through is "Ordinary Men" by Christopher Browning. It's one of the most important books I've ever read in my life. Way to often when we talk about history we view it from the side of the victims, but rarely do we think about the side of the perpetrators. It's frightening really.
That's the whole reason they came up with the gas chambers. It creates an emotional distance between the murderer and the victims.
The Nazis literally industrialized murder, just to go around the natural disgust humans have for that kind of act.
“The Long/New Peace” ended February 24, 2022.
So much for optimism
Thanks to both of you for taking an interest in history, especially this time period. I wish my own kids would have the curiosity that the two of you demonstrate.
I love your shared interest in history and your earnest desire to expand your understanding. It’s so cool and I share your enthusiasm.
Beck, no need to put yourself down. We all start out learning something for the first time. It’s your willingness to learn that counts.
"I don't know what weapons will be used in WW3. Yet I know exactly what weapons will be used in WW4.
STICKS AND STONES"
Albert Einstein
My grandmothers brother was 19 when he got drafted directly from the obligatory military conscription. His family and him tried everything so he could stay home. It didn't work. He had to go to Russia and went missing after 6 months. He was 20. He didn't ask for any of this, nor did he know everything that was going on like people these days do because they have got hindsight and a computer. Being sent to war was a death sentence, especially if you were sent east.
Sarcastic /shrug. But women are supposed to be oppressed? #how-dare-you
Если бы не народ СССР , все бы в концлагерях сидели . Люди должны бороться со злом и несправедливостью ежедневно и строить хороший мир и дружбу народов. И помнить сколько миллионов жизней стоило отстоять это . th-cam.com/video/-SW-3HTQd7Q/w-d-xo.html .🥀😥
Recetly subbed to you guys and am loving the channel - genuine down to Earth reactions
Just need a patreon that we can support you on now haha
My maternal great great grandfather Richard Samuel Baker was a ARP warden during the London Blitz, he was killed on the 9th of December 1940 during a air raid. He was 53 years old.
It's ok to ask questions. I love a person who asks lots of questions
I very much enjoy this channel. Becc is the main reason I watch with all the interesting videos presented. I love her comments and curiosity. Very much appreciation here!
congratulations on 10k subs, you deserve it
I've read once that about 5-10% of the world population died in the Mongol conquests (the world population was 400 million people). The brutality of these conquests were sometimes insane, terror for example was a deliberate strategy to make cities surrender without even fighting (if they resisted, they were made an example, and almost everyone killed).
And you could even add the death count of the Black Plague, which is thought to be a byproduct of the war between the Mongols and China.
This was dead serious. I'm not being flip. And you two seem more real than most who do reaction videos to play themselves up. I truly appreciate it. Thank you. Some of my uncles volunteered and died. My dad had lung cancer and was turned down.
I think most men smoked then. He died later.
My grandfathers brother fought on the western front. He was deeper in France when Normandy happened. He surrendered by Belgium and spent the remainder of the war in a Canadian POW camp and then immigrated to America. When asked about the war he would only say you do what you have too to survive. He wouldn't talk much about his time fighting. But he did admit he knew about some of the atrocities but was to afraid to say anything out of fear of being severely punished and or executed. He always said he was a coward and that he would have to make peace with that when he dies and meets God he would be punished for his non action. I don't condone the actions that the Germans did in World War II I myself do not know what I would do if I was in my grandfather's brother's position I hope I would be a better person but I'm not sure if I would and I hope I never would have to make that choice
That German comment was amusing, but I understood. Franz Stigler was a good one. Had the opportunity to shoot down a B-17 but it was wounded and defenseless so he actually escorted pilot Charlie Brown of "Ye Olde Pub" back to the channel, saluted, and left. Both pilots survived the war and met up years later.
You should watch his other videos. He only has 4 or 5 on his channel but the production value is insane for all of them.
And yes, the Mongol conquest is really fascinating man, I really recommend you look into it. Quite a few good videos on TH-cam you can explore.
Gratz on 10k!!! Love the vids always! If you have never seen it you7 need to watch Band of Brothers
I have a friend from Germany and he told me about how they forced his grandparents to war, or execution will be delivered to them.
And they forced them to commit war crimes?
@@user-he4wn4sj3n Yes
I enjoy watching y'all learning history.
I have a recommendation to help her better understand that not all germans in ww2 were bad. Basically any video where german veterans were interviewed here on TH-cam. The one's that are most popular are relatively short, so I'm not asking for a documentary, just some short video(s)!
I definitely will check those out! I don’t know why it didn’t occur to me that people might have been threatened and forced into being in the German army and into doing all those terrible things. Thank you!
A lot of that is revisionist history. The fact of the matter is is that most Germans were either Nazi’s or indifferent about the Nazi’s and passively supported them bc they saw the personal benefits of doing so. You also had an entire generation raised on propaganda and early military indoctrination through the Hitler Youth, so one could argue that a lot of that was out of their hands, but it doesn’t change the fact that regular troops committed indescribable atrocities, especially in the east and especially when compared to other combatant nations. There’s this narrative these days that these soldiers were “forced” into fighting, and while they may have been true once the tide turned, most went eagerly.
History is written by the Victor's the British used scorched earth in South Asia against Japan where 3 million civillians starved .
I'm not saying that Nazi were good.
But Churchill was no Hero. 😞
What's worse is that British didn't even try to save them Churchill ignored his governors advice.
@@Sujal9253 had to be done.
@@jonathonfrazier6622 I don't agree
Churchill's move was heavily criticized by his Governor
And Offers of Grains from Australia were Ignored
I believe you are either British or Don't know Anything about Scorched earth tactics you evacuate the citizens before using it instead Churchill left them to die.
If you are so proud ask anyone who is from Myanmar Bangladesh or India
Who do you like more Hitler or Churchill
They would say Hitler
You should see the interviews of German veterans. For example some who fought during the D-Day said they couldn't even look while shooting because it was atrocious from their point of view. It's also a bit sad that many soldiers fought for their country and received medals but they cannot show them because there are swastikas on them and (almost) everyone consider them monsters because of pop culture.
Also consider that today we know a lot about WW2 but when it was happening people didn't have the same access to information as we have today and they didn't have the whole picture, especially in regimes like the Nazism, so it's hard to say what was the general actual feeling in the German lines, whether or not they realized what they were doing, etc
I think it's also important to point out that almost 1 million British soldiers died in WW1 (double that of WW2), and 1.5 million French soldiers died in WW1 (almost triple that of WW2). Not to say that the death toll of WW2 is in any way less significant, but that's why remembrance day is still so important.
If you want to learn more about the Mongol invasions I cannot recommend Dan Carlin's "Wrath of the Khans" hardcore history episodes highly enough. It's a five part series on the Mongol invasions with each part ranging from 1-2 hours in length. Carlin does a TON of research putting together hardcore history so it goes into amazing detail and he's brilliant at keeping it entertaining as well. He had a background in radio before he started doing his history podcasts.
*27 Million Soviets*
*20 Million Chinese*
*7.4 Million Nazis*
*6 Million Jews*
*4 Million Dutch east Indies*
*3.1 Million Japanese*
*2.5 Million Indian Soldiers(under British Army)*
*3 Million all others combined*
18:15 For soviet people there was no dilemma. This is about ideology.
For example in my school all graduates went on front the next day after war began. Graduation was on eve of beginning war(same day for all USSR)
Few of them back. We've got a memorial with their names on school wall. And we've got museum on the groun floor in school. with letters and different stuff of this war.
Building of school was a hospital in 1941-45
People go to front and fight till death not for relatives, but for survival of our nation. And we believed that we defend not only USSR, but the whole world.
The little clicks for the fallen soviet deaths are incredible haunting and always bring tears to my eyes.
Thank you. In the comment section of your "Oversimplified - Cold War Part 2" video, i recommended that you both should watch this video and the second one, that was done by the same guy, which estimates the consequences of a nuclear war at the height of the cold war. I don't know if you saw my comment and reacted to this video because of it, but nevertheless, good timing.
I also would like to point out that i'm not offended by what you said, although i am a german and the grandson of a german WW2 veteran.
I think the reason why WW1 casualties are not that high is mostly because of the amount of civilians that were killed in both wars. While there were of course civilian casualties in WW1, it is not even close to the amount of civilian deaths in WW2, because of mass bombings and ethnic cleansing. Regarding military deaths it was still devastating. For example, for both France and the UK WW1 was still the bloodiest war in history because they lost more people in WW1 than in WW2. There is a video made about the casualties of WW1 in the same fashion and inspired by this video, but its not from the same guy.
If you would like to learn more about the german perspective of WW2, there are some interviews of german WW2 veterans here on youtube. There is also a very good movie, consisting of, i think, 3 parts. I think in english the title is "Generation War". In german the title is "Unsere Mütter, unsere Väter" which means "Our mothers, our fathers".
So, now i have smashed everything i wanted to say in one comment. I hope this is more convenient than writing multiple comments.
Many people know about Auschwitz but few seem to understand about Dachau, which was the second most deadly concentration camp. My great- uncle was in charge of the liberation as they moved into Germany. They took all the German soldiers line them up and shot them after seeing what atrocities they had done. Only two German soldiers survived that day 13 year old boy and a nurse. The SS were the ones that you would call a Nazi, the rest of the German army were conscripts or people forced to fight.
It’s important to note for the An Lushan Revolt, which is the deadliest war percentage wise, that the numbers are likely to be completely off, because after the war was over they ended up switching the way they did their census and it just generally became less accurate, so there’s probably a lot of people missing from that data that just got counted as deaths when they took the difference
Stalin did not allowed civilians to flee because that would send a message to the germans that the people were willing to defend their city at all cost and because it would raise the Soviet morale , something like that.
As you pointed out most Germans weren't all that interested in war. A bit of proof I have of that is actually in my family history - during WW2 my Great Grandfather was drafted into the Luftwaffe, which he couldn't refuse. If he had tried, or ran for that matter, him, his wife, and four children would be sent to a concentration camp to be exterminated since they were traitors. As such he reported for duty, so that way he knew his family at least had a chance to survive.
Also there is no need to feel bad for not knowing, most people think that Germany was complicit and supported the Nazi regime. Hell I use to think the same thing until my Grandmother told me about my families history!
Most radical nazis at the time were kids. Because in 1933 Hitler changed the education system to indoctrinate the youth into the nazi ideology. And to believe the aryan race was superior.
I watched this now like 30 times but its every time so interesting to see that to think about that.
The nazis and the regular German military We're 2 different people the nazis Are the ones you think of when you think of World War II Germany but the regular German military They didn't always like what the nazis were doing Which is why towards the end of the war The Americans fought alongside the German military against the nazis. It was called the battle of castle Itter.
The Battle of Castle Itter was fought in the Austrian North Tyrol village of Itter on 5 May 1945, in the last days of the European Theater of World War II. ... It is the only known time during the war in which Americans and Germans fought side by side against the nazis.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_clean_Wehrmacht
I dont know much but saying americans fought with german military against nazi sounds exxegarated
The numbers attributed to Stalin are VERY generous at 20 million, 140 million would be quite unreasonable due to the fact that the total population of the Soviet Union after the war was about 100 million at most.
Since you're British, I recommend watching RealLifeLore's video "The Loss Of Life in WW1 Visualized". It's the equivalent of this one but not for WW2. WW1 remains the bloodiest war in British history.
16 percent is almost one in 5. When you add wounded there's almost a 50 percent chance that any person you met at the end of the war in Poland knew someone who was dead or wounded.
We Americans were so happy that we helped you 🇺🇸❤🇬🇧
love seeing people give these sorts of videos attention. My grandfather fought for the British in WW2 against Rommel in Africa. He was a South African who like many living in British dominions at the time, answered the King's call for soldiers. He was captured and imprisoned in a Nazi POW quarters in Ukraine. "thankfully" he was Anglo-Saxon & Christian so they let him live, had he been jewish like some of his comrades he would've been sent to Auschwitz. His is just one story of millions, of which many never got to be told
What’s weird about not hearing much about the Asian theatre is that we had British colonies in Asia that REALLY helped us in the war. It’s wrong that we don’t get taught about it.
One thing that's important to recognize when looking back on events like these is that, given the events going on in Germany at the time, whether it be kids being sent off to camps to be "educated", where boys were taught only to fight, and girls were taught to have children, or how not greeting someone with the phrase "heil Hitler" was grounds for at least arrest, if not execution, many of the soldiers weren't "Nazi's". It's a bit like saying all of the soldiers fighting for the U.S. were democrats, since the democrat party largely controlled the U.S. Government at the time.
Recognize that, for average people, like you or I, if we were born in Germany when the Nazi's were in power, we would be Nazi's. It's nice and all to think that you would resist the evil oppression of the time, but would you really? Would you risk not just your life, but the life of everyone around you for the sake of resisting, when realistically speaking, you likely wouldn't have even known any better? Or would you keep your head down? Very very few people resisted in Nazi Germany, because doing so often meant death. For the overwhelming majority of the German population, they didn't have a choice, and for the ones that did have a choice, it was often criminally stupid to resist.
What's also important to recognize, is that these people were, well, people. With lives and families, as much as you or I. For many, it was simply their job, even if they didn't agree with the cause they were fighting for. Take Soviet deaths, for example. The soviets were initially allied with Germany, does them switching sides midway through the conflict suddenly make their deaths sad now? Or were they sad to begin with?
Sarcastic /shrug. This is just like modern day China or the Middle-East.
You make an extremely valid point. I believe the degree at which people complain is entirely dependent upon their life experiences. You have to imagine, people that lived through WWII, half of them went through a massive depression, then straight in to WWII. If they saw us making such a fuss about a virus like this, they'd shake their heads in disgust.
Yeah I don't think so. Given how many people would have been alive during the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918. I think they'd agree with "making a fuss" about COVID.
god bless the guy helped to clear her mess up.
you guys should do some movie reactions some time
There's always a lot of anger towards soldiers of our enemies. But most German soldiers were average persons, like you and I. They were drafted or forced to serve the Nazis. People don't understand these days, in a world where your nation and mine are entirely volunteer soldiers. But like American soldiers who were sent to fight in Vietnam even though the didn't support the war... Soldiers do as they're told or, they are arrested and sometimes faced firing squad.
In WWII, a German soldier was afraid to disobey orders because the SS squads brutal..and they didn't want to face them.
Mmm not really. The Nazi Party was the overwhelming popular party in Germany. Germany and Italy as fascist countries during WWII are incomparable in their countries’ leading parties. Hitler, unlike Mussolini, had a massive approval rating amongst the German common-person. Mussolini was quite literally ripped from his place in government and hanged by his people. I’m not doubting that there were plenty of German soldiers who weren’t Nazis, but there is a reason why Hitler lasted for so long there and had such raving support among his people. Germany, much like Russia for the prior 30+ years before WWII, was beyond torn in regards to politics, their economy, and unification of the German people. The way that the Entente punished Germany in the Treaty of Versailles was the final straw in the creation of a country whose politics surrounded the absolute genocide of an ethnicity that the German people felt they had no other choice but to blame. Over the course of 15 years, German leadership grew stronger and the economy began to stabilize under Hitler’s war efforts. This gave the people a purpose to follow him. It was most certainly an act of coercion through force, but also through Hitler’s emotional wit and his strength as a leader.
Do not be fooled by this above comment into believing that “most” were forced to serve the Nazis. It was a choice that the majority of Germans (who had not fled or had been snatched up by the police) made and stood by up until their eventual loss.
@@GamingSaurusRexYTube hmmmm interesting but not completely true. The Nazi party wasn't originally the majority. They used fear and force to take power and to grow their numbers. In the 1932 election runoff, German Chancellor Paul von Hindenburg had 53% of the vote, Hitler had 36.8%.
Under a hostile political climate, Hindenburg appointed Hitler as Chancellor in January 1933. When Hindenburg's died in 1934, Hitler assumed the presidency, which he combined with the chancellorship to become the Führer und Reichskanzler.
People joined the Nazi party for multiple reasons, out of intimidation, to fit in, to gain or hold onto wealth or power...not all of them were in compliance with the Nazi ideology.
I think its important to note here, there's a difference between a German soldier and a Nazi soldier. Many German soldiers were fighting for the Nazi ideology but not necessarily by choice. Some did, I'm sure. But many more didnt. Germany suffered under Hitlers regime as well, and soldiers he controlled by threatening their families. So, if someone had a gun to the head of your 4 year old daughter and will pull that trigger if you dont fight for the fuhrers cause, what do you intend to do? There's no excuse for what Hitler did, and there's no excuse for the atrocities his Thrid Reicht did, and they did much. But don't forget the larger group of soldiers who were trying to save their families but doing things that they didn't want to, but understanding they had no power to change it. Most parents I believe would make this same choice to save their children.
Best regards from Germany. You really well explained the difference between the Wehrmacht and the SS. Never again war between brothers!
If you'd like to know more about the war against Japan, I recommend watching The Pacific.
I watched the movie Midway the other day. I knew the story of Doolittle's Raid. They flew to Japan off of an aircraft carrier.and did a bombing run. Then just made it to China and bailed out. There were 80 US airman on that raid and the Chinese people tried to help the survivors escape the Japanese. The Japanese killed an estimated ¼ of a million Chinese in retaliation.
howdy British friends.......this is a very interesting video. Thx for sharing your reactions.
Nice video, you should also watch The Fallen of World War I, I think it's from the same channel, keep up the good work!
As a son of an American Ranger, that served D Day and Hurtgen Forest, I'm still learning. I had to explain to my 14 year old, that it's easy to hate, but hard to love and forgive. I'm a combat veteran myself, but I don't hate my enemies. The Germans didn't want to fight. The Nazis were the evil ones. Don't confuse the two. Much of history is not in the history books. I have mad respect because you are willing to learn. Many don't and want to assume. That's why there is still so much hatred. I'll be watching from a far. Much love. There is another video that is similar, about WW1, called The Dead of WW1 Visualized.
every one of us has the potential for evil. its necessary to realize this to understand what humans are capable of. and why all sacrifices in this war is just truly a true tragedy on all sides.
14:10 The death squads weren´t mostly common soldiers, but police units and SS, which were highly ideologicalized.
If you enjoyed this I highly recommend you watch the fallen of WW1 visualized by real life lore if you haven't watched it already, it's a amazing video
26:52 It's actually right for most of the nations like: italy, france and uk, WW1 is still the bloodiest war for own casualties.
My grandfather get hit by airplane bomb and died in 1944 when he bring at railway cargo train food. He was railwayman. My grandmother live with my 3 years old fahter and 1 years old aunt. Tapa town ,Estonia.
I hate how they call the Germans Nazis in this video. Most of the German lives lost were the men of the Wehrmacht the German military, they had nothing to do with what the NSDAP(Nazis) did and they also knew nothing about it. The German military was just fighting for their country and family not the party. So I hate it when she said they are fighting for the Nazis, because they weren't fighting for a dumb party. The fact is the German Military and the SS had a bad relationship towards each other. Also She sees the world in black and white because the world is grey. also not all of them wore the SS uniform. There were the Wehrmacht, SS, Luftwaffe, and Kriegsmarine. only one of those is a branch of the party which is the SS.
а им смешно...сидят улыбаются...
Сразу понятно что они не до конца понимают то что видят-бравые американцы уже в голливуде показали как войну в одиночку выйграл Брюс Уиллис-остальное для них фейк.
On Stalingrad fight was winter wheater temperature -40 Celsius degrees and wind 20-25m/sec ( until 55 mph ) . Tanks and trucks oils frozen and diesel too frozen must be make fire under trucks and tanks.
When discussing the use of the Atomic Bombs in 1945 against Japan, the official documents include both cities as military targets because the Japanese civilians would have joined in fighting the Americans and the Allies, had the planned land invasion (Operation Downfall) of the Japanese Home Island taken place. Not saying that it was a good thing, but it was necessary to end the war and save countless millions on both sides. This kind of all out total barbaric fighting was seen in previous battles such as Okinawa and Iwo Jima along with several other battles during the Island Hopping Campaigns. The Japanese believed that surrendering was a former of dishonor and that fighting to the death was the only way to achieve honor. People don't understand how devastating a full land invasion of the home island would have been not just to the Americans and Allies, but to the Japanese citizenry which would have essentially been wiped out.
usa to this day targets civilians and pretend they were targeting military
excuses over excuses lmao
Were the atomic bombings necessary to end the war quickly? Yes. Were they still unforgivable atrocities and crimes against humanity? Also yes. Killing people is still horrible, the intent is important to understand why, but it doesn't change the fact that you're still killing people.
In my opinion we shouldn't judge someone from the past form their actions. Nowadays people have different mentalities in comparison to the people from those days. Today when you think about honor and patriotism you think about loyalty, honesty, respect, integrity and love your country and love your identity and you dont need to follow politics or serve in the army to show patriotism. While in those times honor and patriotism meant serving the armed forces, serving your leaders and obey and bringing honor to your family's name and flag. Keep in mind that in the past it was normal and the norm to own slaves and now times has change because people change. That's why we shouldn't judge people from their actions based on our morals.
17:47 On Stalin's mentality...
Stalin had a son, Yakov Dzhugashvili, who he hated and was later captured by the nazis. The nazis thought they could use him as a bargaining chip to trade back to Stalin in return for Nazi generals. In response, Stalin said, "I do not trade generals for soldiers". 🤯
A-a-and if i recall correctly that's never happened either.
Stalin prolly holds the world record for falsely-attributed quotes.
@@Volthoom - You are correct. Though the gist of the quote stands. It's been simplified, an accepted bastardization version of what he said. To paraphrase from an article in Russia Beyond, dated OCT 22, 2020 by Boris Egorov ...
"After the battle of Stalingrad, the Germans used the mediation of Swedish diplomat Count Folke Bernadotte and the Red Cross to offer Stalin an exchange of his son for Field Marshal Friedrich Paulus and several dozen high-ranking 6th Army officers held in Soviet captivity. Today, we can only speculate about what Stalin thought about such an exchange. The established view in the Soviet Union in the post-war period was that the Soviet leader replied icily to the German proposal: "I won't exchange a soldier for a field marshal." There is no documentary confirmation, however, that he actually uttered this phrase.
The supreme leader's daughter, Svetlana Alliluyeva, recalled that a little after these events, in the winter of 1943-44, her agitated and incensed father referred to the failed deal: "The Germans proposed exchanging Yasha for some of their people… Was I to start bargaining with them? No, war is war."
www.rbth.com/history/332880-why-didnt-stalin-rescue-his-son
17:47 Another mistake. GUlag was not a camp. GULag is "Главное Управление Лагерей" (Headquarters of camps). Not a camp itself. It was labour camps for criminals and traitors. Conditions were tough (climate and war times). Things prizoners did, built etc. were important for country, for victory. Somebody should did it. And better criminals suffer (trying to atone their guilty) then innocent people. Innocent people work hard too at time of war.
Interesting fact that In USA prisons nowadays are more people then at all stalin's prizons for all time. 40% of all nowadays prizoners are in USA. Remember Guantanamo? It still exists.
Wemen and children starving, but not on the streets. They work hard anyway, Even children.
Interesting fact: there were no unemployment in USSR. At all. Untill your f*cking democracy in 1991. People were not rich, but they all had job, free medcine, free education (school, high school and University), free travelling across our big country and they didn't starving. There were no jeans, Macdonalds, porno and other such stuff, but they got more important things. You sold us silly idea of infinite consumption instead producing. =\
P.S. Excuse me. too much emotions)
If you guys want to learn a little bit about what the Chinese went through during WWII then please react to "Playing the Victim | Historical Revisionism and Japan" by Knowing Better.
3:55 yesterday was the 77th anniversary of D-Day
I always shed tears because of So Much loss of life. And to show the American spirt and resilience you could watch the video "BOATLIFT - AN UNTOLD TALE OF 9/11 RESILIENCE (HD)" And she shouldn't be made to feel bad, no one is born with knowledge... knowledge is sought out. And I give her respect to be willing to take the time to do so.
7:05 I believe there is a monument to deserters somewhere in Germany
Dont you worry girl, holding your own opinion with what level of information you have about something is totally natural! Say whatever your thinking, i and others will appreciate that :)
you can check out videos about unit 731, it will give you an idea about Japanese cruelty towards Chinese people.
I suspect part of the reason the Chinese front gets sidelined in WW2 (from a European/American view) is that the land war in China actually predates the invasion of Poland so from a European/American perspective it almost isn’t viewed as “actually” WW2 because it doesn’t fit the continuity of events that drew the European combatants (and their colonies around the world) into war. Somewhat similar to how as an American WW2 “really” begins with Pearl Harbor on dec 7th 1941 everything before is acknowledged so as to explain the situation but is largely glossed over and limited in detail.
Honestly, what is weird is that US history focuses on the European start, despite the 2nd Sino-Japanese war actually being more relevant with regards to how the US got brought into the war than the invasion of Poland.
You should React to "The Last Tiger all cutcenes" from Battlefield its pretty good summarize how the War affected German soldiers and especially the different characters of them
Soldiers in the Wehrmacht weren't necessarily all forced to fight... that being said, the Nazis were very good at manipulating information (to the point that even today, a lot of people believe falsehoods manufactured by the Nazis about the Soviet army). When Germany invaded Poland, they made it look like it was Poland that started it, so that public opinion in Germany wouldn't be against the war. Most Wehrmacht soldiers weren't really aware of the atrocities the SS were committing behind the front lines, because the Nazis were hiding that information to the general public. There were rumors, of course, of what was happening, but when you're drafted to go fight somewhere, rumors aren't really going to be a priority in your mind.
So even though not all of the Wehrmacht soldiers were forced to fight per se, it still doesn't mean they were all Nazis. The great majority of German people, be it civilians or soldiers, became aware of what was happening when it all ended.
That being said, however, we can still debate about a lot of things surrounding that whole issue. Let's not forget that a lot of people still supported the Nazis despite knowing they were antisemites and warmongering. It's just that the great majority weren't aware of the extermination thing, which was a step too far for many people and the Nazis knew it (hence why they decided to hide that information).
Oh, and mobile killing squads *were* made of SS soldiers. Those can be considered to be the bad guys. They were brainwashed by the Nazi regime to be totally loyal to the cause. Those knew what they were doing and weren't exactly forced to do it. But it still had an effect on their mind (I mean, even Himmler was disgusted by it), so they came up with the gas chambers. They considered it "cleaner", and it didn't have the psychological effect that directly shooting people had (which even their brainwashing couldn't eliminate). They literally came up with industrialized murder to go around the natural psychological response that any human would have from killing huge numbers of people.
for the conversation around 14:50, there is no evidence of soldiers being killed or reprimanded for refusing to kill civilians and "degenerates". These mobile killing squads were almost exclusively made up of people who volunteered so that they could do that kind of work.
this so wholesome
26:10 In WW 1 Britain lost almost about twice as many people, than in WW2. So it is more devastating from your perspective.
There is a series of videos about genghis khan on extra history channel , thought it'be interesting
Maybe it doesn't make sense, but being drafted for the Nazi military (read German military) would be no different from any other military draft past or present, whether it was Germany, US, UK, USSR/Russia, Japan, etc. Most of those kids were oblivious to the incoming disaster, and barely cognizant of the meaning of war, as is the case with today's soldiers who are generally too young to be instilled with the needed wisdom to show the middle finger to the state.
Nice reaction, you could do the fallen of WW1 to complete the circle
7:34 Aaaaaaaaaah woman!!!! Thers sooooooooooo much to say about her words (mostly the fact that she definitely were not thinking at that moment), she did say she didnt know though, and thats why history is soooo damn important.
They didn't put Finland or Bulgaria in this video. What the hell?
You guys should def make a Patreon and watch shows and stuff on there it would be cool
you should a reaction to reallifelore's video on The Loss of Life in WWI Visualized
Fun fact. Wermacht was carring out mass executions prior to ss. Chcek out war against humanity
You can watch about the Mongols in Chanel of Kings and Generals. They do good videos on that.
My grandfather was a POW of Okinawa.
7:08 there's a simple way to explain it, "not all Germans were nazis, and not all nazis were German".
Beck, you don't need to be sorry for slagging off Nazi's haha. They were awful. It's just important to remember that many Germans were not Nazi's, many were just innocent men, women and children and many fought against the Nazi's and were killed for their efforts. Toward the end of the war many old men and young children were drafted (as young as 13 years old) to fight against the allied forces entering Germany.
Two examples of Germans who resisted are Sophia Magdalena Scholl and her brother Hans Fritz Scholl who both executed by the Nazi's for their White Rose anti-war movement and anti-Nazi resistance, sending pamphlets out that argued against the Nazi's while they were at the University of Munich. They were both executed by guillotine for "high treason". Sophia was only 17 years old and her brother was 24 years old.
It is also important to remember that Nazism is a political ideology that was held by many non-Germans in places like Austria and the Czech Republic. The Nazi's also set up governments in countries they conquered, like Norway, France, Denmark and other places, that were run by people from those countries that believed in Nazi ideas.
In Norway for example, the Nazi's installed a man called Vidkun Quisling as Prime Minister of Norway. He was a Norwegian military officer and politician but also a Nazi. After the war the Norwegian government charged him with embezzlement, murder, and high treason for his collaborating with the Nazi's, and he was executed by firing squad.
I feel she should feel bad, there is a difference between a bad nazi who believed in what they were doing and a German soldier who was already in the army before the war started and was serving his country and didnt support what was happening. She shouldn't say something that people will find offensive without thinking. Like I said there is a big difference between a german who believed in being superior and executing civilians left and right and a german soldier who hated what was happening. Most didnt even know about what was truly happening. I might just unsub tbh lol
Loved the interlude. And yes I really do understand her point. But just to add to it a little, my granddad was Polish of German stock. He was made to fight for Nazi Germany on the threat of execution. He was stationed in Normandy on June 6 1944 and was scared shitless throughout, and really didn't want to be there. A few weeks after D-Day, he and his Polish mates surrendered to the advancing American army and was then transported to Britain. So yeah, the Wehrmacht really was made up of various 'kids' with varying degrees of fanaticism. I'd guess the vast majority were fighting just to stay alive.
if you like history, please look up dan carlin. does a great series on ww1, eastern front of ww2, the khans of se asia (extraordinary) amongst others. he's on youtube but also has a website.