@@lucillachan1712 sadly it’s likely human error from panic to land without landing gear and ignoring the concrete barricade that resulted in the deadly crash
the investigation should also find out which company (and where) the aircrafts involved received their recent maintenance, which company supplied the replacement parts.
If it’s a Boeing subcontractor, then that actually will be normal, the same company that supplied parts to Boeing also supplies spare parts for airliners. And more likely then not, the subcontractor is also an airbus subcontractor. Gears, engines, doors, slide, seats, there are only so many of them, and most of those same subcontractors supply to all major aircraft manufacturers. But if it’s maintenance, then manufacturers don’t really have subcontractors, they are not in that business, not until Boeing 787, and even with that, it’s Boeing direct, not subcontract.
@@jinWhuang seems that you misread my comments. Most major airline companies hire maintenance staffs stationed locally in the airports to do service and safety checks prior to departure, this Korean (budget) airliner may have subcontracted the work to local companies, those subcontractors have to be Boeing certified
Yeh, 2 of the last 3 Boeing CEOs did not have engineering background. One had a Harvard MBA and the other was a beancounter. Both came from the giant failure GE. However, the CEO with aerospace engineering background did not do well either (that long grounding of 737-Max happened under his reign).
The aircraft that turned back was a Boeing B737-800, the same model as the one involved in the disaster on Sunday. Thirty-nine of the 41 aircraft in Jeju Air's fleet are of this model. After Sunday's deadly crash, Boeing had said it was in touch with Jeju Air and that it stood "ready to support them".10 hours ago
Boeing headquartered previously at Boeing Field of Washington and now Crystal City of Virginia. Hardly heard it is a Californian company. However there is not much difference between WA and CA in the culture.
Not agree with you at all regarding hiring Indians is subpar. The 1% of all graduating classes are composed of Indians and Asians. White is definitely a minority in terms of academic excellent. Please get your fact check before making this bold comment. It’s fairly offensive.
咁以前啟德啲機師真係好犀利
香港舊啟德機場只有航空界精英機師才敢飛到港降落。
迄至90年代中期才開始有GPS, 以前揸飛機真是主力靠機械操作真是講技術,控制塔靠模擬訊號導航,詳情可以睇下虎膽龍威續集 恐怖分子騎劫機場,勁緊張刺激🎉
@@天地正氣top gun第一集 艦長潤阿湯哥再搞事就調去香港啟德揸貨機運送玩具😂
@@MG-og6ql 戰機機師駕駛貨機是否適合我不知道但民航機機師不是所有人敢於降落香港舊啟德機場就係事實-過去曾有台灣民航機師因降落衝入九龍灣海面而造成傷亡事件。
@@MG-og6ql以前任何行業從業員皆真才實料方可站立得穩不同現在的素質-你看今日香港特區特首及其班子的表現可知。
之前都發生過起落架失靈,機司會再兜出公海放電油減到最低存放量,才折返慢慢用機肚降落,以防大量電油導致大爆炸。為死難者祈禱。🙏🏻
could be both engines failed that required emergency landing
今次應該係引擎起火,有濃煙開始入機艙,所以一定要急降。無得再兜圈。
放火水(航空煤油)
@@lucillachan1712 sadly it’s likely human error from panic to land without landing gear and ignoring the concrete barricade that resulted in the deadly crash
Thats what i postulate too@AlanChan-r4c
不是左膠化,係由engineer帶領的 匠人文化轉為數佬帶領的profit 最大化文化,由追求高質素用料轉為乜都outsource 乜都要平。
什至對良心員工(發現安全問題後發聲)進行滅聲或迫害。
不久前就有個前員工吹哨後,被發現家中離奇死亡
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@@zidanely咁似某党
@@godchildcheng6103 正解,呢個兩個人成日亂噏,連講波音問題果套紀錄片都唔睇吓,就亂吹咩左膠病毒🦠
不單 engineer, 好多其他界別既產業都係咁, 外行管內行, 淨係睇死數字。
謝謝 陶傑,鮑偉聰......分析分享!
陶生, 西雅圖位於華盛頓州,並非加州。
😢
不用太執著,都在美國
有去美國周圍遊都知,但是有些人是是但但,不需理會,自己知道就好,何需執著呢?
@@為咗一球日夜監視 都在美國, 也在地球。
@@為咗一球日夜監視 林鄭月娥係你阿媽?不用太執著,都是女性。
多謝分享
多謝兩位分析評論❤️❤️感謝🙏🙏👍👍👏👏
謝謝高質分享🙏
離晒譜!擺明歧視非黑人,視人命如草芥!🤬🤬🤬
多謝,多謝陶生,鮑生🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
多謝!
有啲情況,機師可以abort landing, 抽頭再circle, 之後再attempt landing 減速至飛機滑翔慢降(belly landing),始可減低傷亡。其實飛機all engine failed都可以降落。雀鳥飛入landing gear? 如果landing gear未放已見雀⋯應該冇問題⋯放咗就唔太會影響🤔 奇怪⋯
不過5年飛行經驗⋯未必能夠處理哩啲情況😢
我都有同感,但問題引擎是否有足夠動力???還是已失去動力,難講
@ 夠經驗嘅機師就算所有engine冇晒動力,佢仍然可以安全降落⋯記得當年聯合航空隻機在Hudson River landed 並無傷亡
@lindalau3311 也不能這樣說,始終上到天空,一切突發事情,都可以危害機上所有人生命,我相信每一個機師都會盡力保護所有乘客安全,希望能搵出真正原因,盡力避免再有下一次
台灣專家話起落架壞左,係可以手動
@ 一切都講經驗⋯五年貨仔點同揸過空軍機嘅美國機師比吖⋯⋯明嘅
飛機可能冇定期檢查維修保養
PS 陶生口快 西雅圖係在華盛頓州 WA, (not to mix up with DC tho)
記得以前參觀過是在華盛頓州.
多謝🙏分享
避免從衆偏誤,了解事情因由要多角度觀察與思考,我睇過3位whistle-blower - Sam Mohawk, John BarnetT, Merl Meyers 既短片,清楚表達boeing將政策由customer-oriented 轉為profit-oriented 罔顧乘客安全,導致空難悲劇
陶生擺明上綱上線
與世界各地接軌,飛機的規格真的不可離地。
出事只係早午晚嘅事、一味外判物柒都外判,只追求利潤
謝謝陶生和鮑生的分析及見解分享~👍👍
好分析🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉👍💪👍👍👍👍
美國精神,唔得就next!唔會覺得可惜!但呢幾單意外人為較多?五年民航經驗並不算豐富。
左膠禍世
黃人禍港
@@橫批 共產黨嘍囉禍港
最近從伯明漪 飛去愛丁堡也遇上降下問題,也是波音飛機,當時在準備降落,飛機在低空海面大繞圈,在機般内我感覺到隨時墮機的狀態,不停祈禱
喜歡兩位主持人❤❤❤
支持
呢單精彩,竟然黑白人互相深厚既對峙
左膠其一,最主要係搵揸數嘅代替工程師嘅人做管理層。
Seattle is NOT in California. Seattle is in Washington state.
波音有問題,但最重要是看 Airlines
the investigation should also find out which company (and where) the aircrafts involved received their recent maintenance, which company supplied the replacement parts.
Likely in a Boeing subcontractor in Thailand, since the airplane departed from there
If it’s a Boeing subcontractor, then that actually will be normal, the same company that supplied parts to Boeing also supplies spare parts for airliners. And more likely then not, the subcontractor is also an airbus subcontractor. Gears, engines, doors, slide, seats, there are only so many of them, and most of those same subcontractors supply to all major aircraft manufacturers. But if it’s maintenance, then manufacturers don’t really have subcontractors, they are not in that business, not until Boeing 787, and even with that, it’s Boeing direct, not subcontract.
@@jinWhuang seems that you misread my comments.
Most major airline companies hire maintenance staffs stationed locally in the airports to do service and safety checks prior to departure, this Korean (budget) airliner may have subcontracted the work to local companies, those subcontractors have to be Boeing certified
今次可能韓國機師問題唔夠鎮定,忘記放起落架便急急降落。covid 其間睇左好多室難調查,人為錯誤達九成😢😢😢,本想去冰島,暫時都唔去😢😢😢
Thanks
波音廠房在西雅圖附近,西雅圖在華盛頓州,並不在加州。
重要嗎??
本末倒置
波音請劣質平勞工賺到盡。早前聽波音
空難有一單係加左一樣野,應該全部機師(駕果個型號)要訓練,波音認為無問題(因訓練費昂貴),咁就無左二百幾條人命。😢😢😢
希望Trump 上場後撥亂反正,人命第一🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
@@YauYauNg-bp8cw 要講以前波音飛機出事嘅處理方法,非分段嚟講都唔得,點解? 呢個就要提及到上世紀九十年代末期嘅合併作為分界綫,因為合併前波音公司係班飛機工程人員做管理層,有乜冬瓜豆腐就好快修復好;但係依家嗰啲係乜嘢人嚟㗎?全部都係投機份子同埋前McDonnell Douglas嘅高層,咁你話俾我聽究竟當年邊個收購邊個先?所以咪一而再再而三咁犯晒錯,明明好地地喺西雅圖做總部,依家死𨶙咗去邊先?佢哋再唔返Seattle 就可以永遠bye bye
所以香港好相似,因為香港又係跟美制
@@chanthomas7236 以前香港係跟英制, 依家係跟大陸制
@chanthomas7236香港幾時係美制?
@@edmondchoi-iz3mp 唔係講政府,係職場文化
重温
原來搵D汕尾林村委,中學生冶港!係師承阿毛😅
這是外行管理內行的例子
波音係西雅圖喺華盛頓洲㗎,同加洲中間仲隔咗個俄勒岡洲呀!冇地理常識就唔該做好啲資料搜集先嗡啦!只有whistle blower, 未聽過whistle blowler ….. 仲要鬧人蠢!
華盛頓州的西雅圖市
近排真係好多飛機出事
本嚟計劃下月去日本遊,依家心理有啲驚驚了😞😞
去啦
飛機出問題係其中一個原因,但最致命嘅係跑道嗰棟成1米厚嘅石屎牆,根本唔應該响跑道尾起任何堅固嘅結構,ILS 天線一般都係裝响金屬支架上,一撞就散,根本唔會撞到斷機同爆炸。而家韓國運輸局仲堅持話跑道設計冇異常其實係想逃避法律責任
一直都係737有好多問題 唔知道係咪一直都拎啲原機種去改裝 我知道香港有公司專門同737改裝 唔知係咪因為咁所以質量有問題
機場設計亦極有問題,邊有機場喺個尾度擺個石屎牆喺度
韓國真是特別多大型交通事故發生,真是好玄😮😮😮😢
那啟德為什麼沒事
@@JohnSmith-k8z 1958年中國航空事故,1967年泰國國際航空事故,1993年中國航空貨機,全部都係衝出跑道入海減少衝力,並唔會喺跑道尾比個咁近嘅厚身石屎場你撞。
@@JohnSmith-k8z 1958年中國航空事故,1967年泰國國際航空事故,1993年中國航空貨機,全部都係衝出跑道入海減少衝力,並唔會喺跑道尾比個咁近嘅厚身石屎場你撞。
據報 有牆&儀器那邊 應該係跑道頭 (起降同點), 出事韓機 係反常用方向降落!
BBC 就此有專題報道, 話說不少機場都有類同裝置, 但理應用易毀物料, 而非堅實土/場。
感謝兩位分享❤❤
我睇唔到左搖右擺。如果係咁係被鳥擊?還是拳擊?
印象中,而家飛機好興電腦化,會唔會好似車有鎖太情況,即是電腦鎖左系統
聽說電腦鎖也可以手動,祗是一般人不知道。
不能以三個輪子着陸,機師應再度升空盤旋,第一時間與地面控制塔聯络,並尋找一平坦的草地緊急減速下降着陸滑行。
西雅圖 在 Washington state
波音工廠在華盛頓州西雅圖附近。華盛頓州比加州更加左!數年前已經將總部搬往芝加哥,管理層與工廠分開,更接近金融市場,以股價為先。
波音公司制造地在華盛頓州西雅圖,不是在加州…
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阿賽拜疆個機師勁,值得尊重!
他係用經驗+生命拯救咗機上一半生命! 而JinAir 係low cost flight, 機師經驗未必非常優秀。
機師應變能力不足
當然唔係啦,起落架唔開一定喺水面降落😅
專家話起落架可以用手動拉開
👍👍👍👍👍
能聽懂白話,唱白話歌,真的是幸福🎉🎉
剛學識嗎👍👍
若附近有海面迫降相信這次不幸事故或會傷亡人數少得多。
附近几百米就系海面😢
如果跑道夠長, 盡頭無牆擋住, 飛機可以滑出草地 傷亡人數會少得多。
@@goming3845 這次不幸事件的機場跑道長度的確過短又建有圍牆?可參考香港機場跑道逾三千公尺長度亦没有建圍牆可知
@@天地正氣 我搭過N次飛機, 見識過唔少機場, 無見過跑道咁短 又莫名其妙的在跑道盡頭有面牆.
一直覺得廉航好似巴士咁修好一半行得就要飛,所以成日有怪聲
廉航多數租用二手舊飛機。
不應以種族優先 應以人命安全為首要任務
飛機師多是空軍出身,心理智商高,也是最優秀!
空難比例波音多過空中巴士😢😢😢
尤其是737,唔知點解經常出事嘅都係737
美國制造
@@橫批 大陸制 C-919非洲人都唔買, , 乘C-919, 唔淨只要買意外保險, 仲要買多幾份人壽保險
機翼擾流板無升起掣動,唔通又失靈?
似乎係機司判斷錯誤
why was there a concrete wall at the end of the runway? This was the cause of the plane catching fire.
西雅圖不是加州是華盛頓州
可能發生的情況 :
1. 飛機第一次試圖降落時受到鳥擊, 一個引擎被損壞.
2. 起落架無放下, 可能是自動打開的機能故障, 專家說可以用手動拉開.
3. 機場設計有問題, 跑道太短, 飛機第二次是反方向降落, 跑道盡頭有面墻 飛機撞墻爆炸.
The last Boeing CEO stressed profit margin over engineering so the company had cut some sharp corners !
Yeh, 2 of the last 3 Boeing CEOs did not have engineering background. One had a Harvard MBA and the other was a beancounter. Both came from the giant failure GE. However, the CEO with aerospace engineering background did not do well either (that long grounding of 737-Max happened under his reign).
The aircraft that turned back was a Boeing B737-800, the same model as the one involved in the disaster on Sunday. Thirty-nine of the 41 aircraft in Jeju Air's fleet are of this model. After Sunday's deadly crash, Boeing had said it was in touch with Jeju Air and that it stood "ready to support them".10 hours ago
波音工程師都唔敢坐波音公司客機.
老實講, 風大雨大 唔好搭飛機, 特別是夜機
Boeing headquartered previously at Boeing Field of Washington and now Crystal City of Virginia. Hardly heard it is a Californian company. However there is not much difference between WA and CA in the culture.
亞陶生呀!咁多空難你都唔驚。还周围去。飞去美国,想死在異鄉!唔好再坐机啦!乖乖留係英国安全D呀!否则我地班聴衆冇得聴你發物风,😂😂😂😂😂
西雅圖係華盛頓州。
劣抽
今次關波音咩事?
首先,同一件事,如果攞隻 A320 出黎去比,又是味因為隻機係中国組裝,所以又炒?
其次,按你哋個道理,咁非州各地政府是味要去打爆豐田?佢出埋D 車可以放大機鎗喺後面喎?
左癌見一個 X 一個係啱,但係唔係用返左癌嗰套 failed logic 去 X 囉兩位
Seattle is in Washionton state.
24:08
陶生,做好资料搜集先,唔好鳩up
韓國濟州啱啱又有第二單,又係同一款機737-800,不過今次冇事
該機型的起落架(飛機輪軚)有問題
中短途多數 737-800
冇事?死170多人!
@@GgbxdFhh人哋講緊另一單呀!
告到波音變靜音公司才可破地獄😂
on 9
哈哈哈
Not agree with you at all regarding hiring Indians is subpar. The 1% of all graduating classes are composed of Indians and Asians. White is definitely a minority in terms of academic excellent. Please get your fact check before making this bold comment. It’s fairly offensive.
以後買機票,要先看坐的是什麼飛機,是波音飛機的就算了吧。
咁應該冇乜選擇😅
@@lng4427 either Boeing or Air Bus
8成boeing, 2成airbus,試下坐大陸研發嗰款😄
@@lng4427 點會冇乜選擇呢?歐洲的航空公司多數用空中巴士,美國的就梗係用番自己產的波音,你選搭歐洲的航空公司就對了。
@@KwanAllen-f8u 坐c919?記得買重保險,分分鐘發達😌😎
波音公司係响華盛頓州,不是加州。同樣西雅圖亦是在華盛頓州
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我早年就提醒各位Bo波音機已經有太多parts made in chi na!
(可以由1983開始由西安廠制造後來很快擴展到上海北京添)
我有理由相信737- 800 除咗引擎之外餘下成架飛機有80%
都係made in chi na!🥶🥶🥶Ho Ho Ho🍷
哈哈、一定關中國事。連引擎都係中國制造、咁就冇事啦、傻仔!
喜歡鲍生,非常專業!
Lack of experience and maintenance, don't blame everything on Boeing. 737-800 is a very very good aircraft.
今晚(HK time10pm)講乜東東?還未有預告啊?!
隔住螢幕睇新聞,我都眼泛淚光,希望死者安息,生者堅強。😢
大家2025年都係少去日韓等國家。😅
陶生、鮑生每次做節目都做足功課👍🏻勁👍🏻
Seattle is in the Washington states; it is not in the California states.
This is a calculated ignorance to show my contempt.
Just like Kamala Harris: Taiwan or Thailand ? I don’t think she can tell the difference
點解話係鳥擊?有人睇到有雀仔飛左入去咩?
5:34 韩国今天早上发布阶段调查报告。称飞鸟撞机和起落架故障,是独立的两个事情。不幸两件事情同时发生了在一齐。。。
美國波音飛機公司早前因工人罷工被迫訓練新入行員工(少數族群及印度人及非洲人)亦有可能是近來頻頻發多次航機故障事件的主要原因;美國等西方國家因工會及工人怠工導至社會癱瘓、經濟低迷因此企業徹離本國因而大量工人失業致製造業瓦解係"東昇西降"的主要關鍵;就以今次波音飛機事故(接二連三飛機事故)即充分暴露出美國此類的"民主、人權、自由"及工會制度有着非常嚴重的漏洞,即使"超級大國"亦會因此而走向衰落;現時美國正是如此也讓中共沾沾自喜。
印度高層批畀印度公司生產,印度公司審核~阿叉係唯一可以喺弄虛作假,偷工減料同大陸人有得揮嘅族群
如果左膠真係咁嚴重,不過其實已經喺電影遊戲行業好明顯,咁唔止沾沾自喜,直程可以驕傲一下😅😅
@@ForumUser-gf6tw 我不明你的意思?
@@天地正氣 美國繼續這樣下去,很快就比中國追上去,已經在很多領域看到苗頭,沒想到是左膠把這個過程加快了
講得好啱,本地白人好懶,好多人甚至工都唔Q打,拎福利!!但又好難怪佢哋,因為本地左膠收大量外國難民(九成九黑人),一入境就享受本地人一樣嘅福利!!所以黑人反而變成會打工嘅人口!
波音客機可以改名叫地獄俯衝者
南韓人也是胡鬥, 跑道盡頭竟然有牆
跑道哪個牆不是盡頭
發生慘事,係未清楚情況下,淘杰呢啲咁嘅人即刻走出嚟抽左膠水
吹咩?🤣
調查報告起碼兩三個月後,頂唔順人地即時評論,你都係兩三個月後出左報告先入去睇呢d時事評論page啦,左膠
@@tokit666 係可惜陶傑(中國人)同以前既評論比差左一大截姐。
你唔鍾意可以唔聽去聽蕭左膠😂
國泰都開始請國內機師, 理論上技術應該不大問題, 只是語言有點不足.
仲要睇機師心理質素, mentality, 好多大陸人自我中心, 自以為是
睇條片,引擎反推装置無開,機翼完全平既,制动襟翼唔見。
扭軚剷入草坪又唔覺。
陶生習慣咩都賴咗左膠先😢
所以好易做,我如果累積到20年光明頂資本都可以開台,日日講左膠又一集
陶才子 今集確又亂吹!
南韓機師技術有問題😂😂
陶生、波音喺华盛顿州西雅图唔喺加州
一樣都係咁左膠啦
香港有王青霞😂😂😂
😢😢😢
加埋而家( 2000 年 )美國白歐裔「懶到出汁」,要超高薪水和工會福利。近年報導 28-55 歲白男人有 18% 冇正務職業同埋唔搵工做。
對唔住,波音公司高層自從合併後畀班McDonald-Douglas嘅班子玩殘晒,唔出事就假啦!
Whistle blower not blowler
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