Gays set the standard for liberal and open minded values. it's a part of their culture, history and community. Genocidal muslims and their feelings dont trump the rights, safety and concern of gay people.
That's right. But, if you belong to the LGBTQ community, you're also a minority, period. I never understood why some minority groups promote hate against others. Whatever the case may be, it doesn't change the fact you're still a minority. But, I suppose, like in the US and Europe, being white to a lot of people is still the greatest form of currency.
I think if you have been oppressed or systematically disadvantaged before because of your identity, it might be easier for you to understand and sympathise with the plight of other systematically disadvantaged groups.
@@kimberlywalker3970but not every minority member has the same experience, some are lucky and as a result may not understand why some may want more rights, or maybe that identity isn't something they wanna explore it's just there so they don't identify with the rest of the group, or maybe hateful groups give them something that others can't, sometimes even outside of the minority identity
@@KawaiiStars I don't disagree with anything you've said. My point is that as long as racism, sexism and homophobia still exist, no one is safe. And some of these misguided gay men aren't safe either, at least for the long term, if they belong to the right. It's the same in the US. We have something called Project 2025 offered up by the right leaning party headed by Trump. It goes after everyone, who isn't a white, straight Christian male. What people in America need to realize is that whatever party they belong to the Republicans are coming for everyone and no one is safe. Anyway, the election in the US goes far beyond tax policy and I hope enough people realize that. Hopefully, one day, if or when the Republican Party is sane, we can argue about tax policy. I'll be fine with that, but this fascism stuff is not good for anyone.
In Brazil we have an interesting phenomenon happening. Far right has some lgbt members, but they are also against their own civil rights. They use to say "i'm gay (or any minority), but I am an exemple, I understand marriage is only for men and women" and... yeah, it's depressing
You hear a few that are against their civil rights and that is enough for you to do confirmation bias, right? I'm far right who still fights for civil rights, but the left is not the best option for that anymore.
@zvezda4701I don't know if it's just me but I think another example of that would be the phrase "I have nothing against gay people", I have nothing against pineapple on pizza not a part of society.
As Bell Hooks said, gender, race and class cannot be regarded separately. If one wants to solve the problem pertaining to one, the other two must also be considered and solved together!
But why…? I feel like they can intersect, but it’s not as though they inherently have anything to do with one another~ aside from one’s economic class being often a part of gender and race, since women were often expected to *not* be workers and to instead be *caretakers* which puts them in a certain economic situation, and racism often (but not always) putting people into certain economic positions or excluding them from certain occupations. But… other than that, why is viewing women as equally intelligent to men, for example, necessary for the liberation of the working class? (Disclaimer: I think women are as intelligent as men, I’m just asking why this would somehow be prerequisite to socialism)
@@computergamescritical6917 good question. I'm assuming that if this mentioned example of the viewpoint of equal intelligence between the two sexes becomes mainstream, it will be easier for men and women of the working class to unite, I suppose? ...,
@@loop4569 I mean yeah~ I suppose it makes it easier for them to unite - but I don’t think that’s the same as it being necessary… Honestly, I should just read what Bell Hooks said about it herself, but I like being told what it is by others
@@computergamescritical6917 ah but you see, the point of feminism is not to bring women to an equal status to men. This very equalization has a class element to it because when we are talking about equality among genders, we need to ask equal according to which class? Aren't bourgeois women already equal to bourgeois men, whereas, working class men are far less equal to bourgeois women, and isn't it even worse for working women who are far below bourgeois women and working men (let alone bourgeois men)? The point of feminism is to abolish this very notion of superiority of men (more particularly, white men) above others. I definitely recommend you to read "Feminist Theory from margin to centre". It's radically different from liberal feminism.
Two days ago my small town in Bavaria held its first Christopher-Street-Day. When I heard the local AfD (German far-right party) announced to show up I expected them to protest against the LGBT-event. I was surprised and confused when I learnt that they wanted to "add" themselves to the event. How times have changed
This is only surprising if you believe the media reports that they are far-right in the N*zi sense and not far-right in the liberal, pro-Israel, pro-capitalism sense.
I always believed that discrimination of vulnerable groups is the very core of far right politics. Usually it's women, foreigners, Jews, Romani, homeless, LGBTQ+ people, the disabled, poor people, whoever. It is always a core talking of fascists of playing one group against the other. Even if I not were a trans women, but the cis white male I pretended to be earlier in my life, I always have and I always will, fight fascism and right wing extremism in all its forms. This ideology is simply anti human, even if they pretend to play nice.
talks about playing groups against each other, fiercely categorizes everyone against straight white men. You can't speak from the place of a straight cis white man because you were *always* trans, so that hypothetical is bunk.
Exactly. It takes a basic understanding that others do not deserve to suffer just so you personally or whoever you value most, can have better conditions. That we should be building a world where you'd want a random shot at being born anywhere and of any way, and not have a favourite status to be born knowing you'll have privileges. (Like, maybe have a preference based on subjective, harmless things like healthy aspects of culture) Basically, a heirarchy sucks for everyone except those close enough to the top to benefit. Keep that idea at your core, and it seems pretty hard to consciously become right wing (though, no one is immune to propaganda, especially when the right is frequently low enough to just outright claim many things with zero evidence)
Then you have the far left in Spain reducing by 2-4 years the penalty of over 1000 rap-st because murderers and rap-st are considered victims in Spain when they have the right color. You criticize far right parties but the far left and their "every criminal is a victim of society, especially if they have black or brown skin color" is even worse.
always makes me laugh to see the far-right pretend to give a shit about us while i really know that, as a (french) trans woman in a lesbian relationship, one of the first thing they will do once in power will be to attack my rights as trans, as a lesbian and as a woman (probably in that order). (i said it makes me laugh but in reality i'm not laughing anymore, and those last 3 weeks have been dreadful, i am starting a long grieving process as the life i was hopping for myself and my gf may be over. if meloni and orban are example of what is to come, i know that we may to have to say goodbye to the idea of having children together, and i'm not going to lie, it's killing me) (sorry i didn't want to bring down the whole vibe of the room, it was a really cool video, as usual! :3)
Policies that benefit the majority vs policies that discriminate against the majority and ONLY benefit minorities. What a surprise even some of us lgbt+ can't support that nonsense. You call the far right discriminatory but, who were the one prohibiting parties that represent 25%+ of the population (aka. far right parties) in Canada, Germany and France? The AUTHORITARIAN LEFT. You don't discriminate against anyone and then cry because those people become stronger than you.
To be fair, one of the reason they started pretending to accept gay people is to have an excuse to hurt trans people. Especially trans women (like the way Moutot and Stern are so loved in these spaces despite being "feminists"). I don't think they'd have cared to look better on that front as much as they did without the opportunity to hurt the minority within the minority (mostly trans people and Muslim people)
Lmao migration and Islam are not the same thing not all immigrants are Muslim and plenty are lgbt nice try fascist it saddens me that gay people who rather fight the boogie of immigrants rather than the real threat of facism
I guess the political right always likes to build "natural" hierarchies that are acceptable to a majority group then narrows the amount of people allowed when there's nobody left to be the minority. It's cool for the guys that are low in the hierarchy as long as there are people that are even lower. Because how could it be that all the good guys that have reached an advantageous position in the hierarchy are wrong about their merit, right? I don't necessarily think that hierarchy has nothing to do with human nature but that it is only one dominant way for people to create orientation and a sense of security (which I deem to be real natural needs).
Being anti gay is a conservative stance, while people are typically considered far right if they're a nationalist. Nationalists are usually also conservative, but that doesn't necessarily have to be the case. These days only the most conservative people are anti gay, so it's mainly religious people now. Other people will still make fun of gays, but they're not principally opposed to it. Here in the Netherlands, nationallism seems to be a mostly secular phenomenal, so it would be odd not to accept gays. Transgenders are the hot issue of the day that devide left and right.
Pim Fortuyn was gay, and I think he was one of the first proponents of homonationalism with success at the electoral level precisely because he could play that card, i.e. "my rights are being curtailed by multiculturalism and Islam, and that also affects you." In a way, it was Dutch society's openness to both gay rights and immigration that allowed for someone like him to become popular as a nationalist gay politician; I believe most gay politicians in other countries who join the far right hope the same would happen to them, i.e. that their specific, accepted and sanitized version of nationalist homosexuality becomes accepted and the norm, which is just sad 😅 I still think The Netherlands are special in the sense that the PVV's support for gay rights is more genuine than these efforts by the RN to become more palatable to the average person, because you can tell it's not organic, the original movement didn't include gay people in the nationalist group of protected insiders. Not sure what's worse, a party that genuinely accepts gay people and uses them to justify oppressing others, or another that even more blatantly uses queer people as rhetorical tools to justify the prosecution of others :/
The worst of all is a party that pretends to accept gay people when they think it's edgy and then sells us out to people throwing us from rooftops as soon as that becomes the edgy thing to do.
Well despite their efforts to seem genuine the pvv got quite exposed with their voting record with regards to outright pro lgbt legislation these past few years where only they and a few other parties voted against showing that the main part of their pro lgbt stance is just a facade to legitimize their hate against non western immigrants, particularly refugees and specifically muslims in general despite the fact that most anti lgbt hate crimes are not committed by them but other groups
Plenty of European right wing parties are genuine in their support of LGBTQ rights and nobody uses these people to oppress other people simply don't want the most homophobic and misogynistic people on earth to be let into the country which is more then reasonable
I think homonationalism is a deeply flawed and rather homophobic concept and it‘s simply naive to assume that there isn’t a huge problem with homophobia and misogyny in non-secular Muslim communities (similar to the far right of course).
@@melancho96 How different is it from extremism in other religions? Is it more appropriate than Christian or Jewish or Hindu homophobia? Should we treat all Muslims the same, even when they try to integrate into the societies they're in?
Oh you sweet Summer child... I am barely older than you but as the gay son of parents who fled Lebanon on a dinghy when I was a baby. I assure you that a lot of the things that you dismiss as "not due to [people] or [ideology] are very much caused by those, more than by any other factor.
the sad thing is that when people are confronted with facts that contradict their political views.... the politcal view will win most of the time. That is just how the human brain works according to recent studies.
I have to say that you saying that "they" only use one framework of analysis is how I've been feeling about all the intersectional politics. (That only framework being oppression)
What does far right even mean to Europeans? I’m Argentinian and we only use that term to call literal extremist with outlandish conservative ideas. I feel like Europeans use the term way more loosely to call anyone who doesn’t endorse refugees or is against children transitioning. Since Milei won the election with over 13 million votes, International media started calling him the far right president/politician/leader. And we have never called him like that locally lol, he is simply “regular” right, and not even conservative, just pro free market. In Argentina the left is protectionist and nationalistic, while the right is pro competition, anti-monopolies, pro global integration and trade agreements, and in general is in favor of individual freedoms.
Because she IS a part of the far left, so much so that she's become subservient to the ideology of Islam, over the minorities the left used to fight for.
Homonationalism hurts queer poc the most On the one hand a broad part of society in your original country hate or dislike your queerness On the other hand when you go live in another place, politicians and people who pretend to be queer friendly still don't want you there because you're from x country It's both ridiculous and extremely hurtful
i already predict ages ago that the lgbtq community can be just as racist as any other community like nationalist community also its often forgot by the lgbtq community that other races also matters like asian people black or north africans and tribal people from middle east as well stupidly lgbtq community completely out caste those other races that didnt fit with they gender ideology because people from other ethnic groups have different ideology and tradition
17:32 "Now does that make me want to limit the freedoms of heterosexual men...? No! I do not want that!" But... you do want that. Every feminist, to some extent, wants that. A few years ago, up until the early 90s, marital rape was legal in many countries, including France and the US. Before, it was allowed for a man to rape his wife, after, it wasn't, That's a right that was taken from them. That's also a good thing as far as I'm concerned, and most feminists would agree. More recently, the law on age of consent in France was clarified so that the official age of consent became 15 (before, there was some ambiguity). In Spain, in went from 13 to 16. In France once again, the Swedish model of prostitution was adopted. Suddenly, clients were penalized for paying for sex, before they weren't. Laws were also adopted that criminalized producing or distributing art featuring sexualized depiction of children. Those are all laws that were all passed with the full support of feminists and their encouragement. They limited the rights of people (not just men), because feminists thought that it would overall create a safer society for women. What makes that any different from what the "far-right" is doing? They also want to pass laws that will restrict the freedoms of some people in order to make society overall safer, by limiting immigration and policing crime more strictly.
As someone who quite connected to the video as a whole, your comparison about women who support Israel is simply disconnected from reality. The international women's organizations blatantly turned their backs on the Israeli women who underwent systematic and shocking acts of rape by the terrorists of Hamas, which they documented and uploaded to social media. They were instructed to rape, and there is countless evidence of this. The UN Women's Organization took two months (!) to condemn those acts. I am also from the left, and I also demand from the right a more complex view of the world, but I also demand it from my friends on the left.
Not this shit again. The Intercept debunked this crap months ago. Blatant dehumanizaing propaganda on behalf of the apartheid state and its Western bankrollers.
@@robotmerger It's funny because you affirm the existence of trans people when you mention them. They are obviously aware of their anatomy, and maybe one day you'll understand that too. Thank you!!!
Whats considered "right" or "left" is slowly changing. This is especially apparent if you have been alive for a while already. There are countless examples, high ranking party officials being openly gay is just one of them.
Man denke nur an Röhm, der als Kopf der SA von Hitler ermordet wurde und seine Sexualität als Grund dafür angeführt wurde um den eigentlichen Grund zu vertuschen, also: machtkampf und quasi die zentralisierung der Macht in einer Hand. Erst tolerieren sie dich und dann ermorden sie dich. Alice Weidel wird sicherlich unter Bernd äh Björnse höcke auch ein Böses erwachen haben :‘)
@@lordtraxroy oh I'm sorry I thought that meme was more popular, my bad. She herself said that in an interview on national television once: "I'm not queer, rather married to a woman whom I've known for 20 years". I was trying to make a joke about how the far right ties itself into knots trying to appeal to queer people without alienating their fascist base, like what Alice talks about here. It's why your example is so perfect and funny, right? A woman married to another woman with and immigration background no less, leading a fascist, arguably neo nazi and openly homophobic party in germany. It ticks all the boxes, it feels like you'd made that up if you tell it to someone, right? It's cartoon-ish.
It's actually pretty insane the amount of drugs, sex, and general """degeneracy""" (as they'd call it) that far-right hardcores have engaged in historically. It just goes to show it's loyalty to the cult of personality that matters to them, not (ironically) loyalty to any particular cause or moral center.
@@Dsonsee agree. Whether we are talking about cultural or economic right-wing, both are ultimately centered around creating a hierarchical society where supremacy is absolute whether bequeathed through economics or title.
The real reason why the right is supporting gay people now is because most right-wing movements are bought and paid for by Zionists. Muslims are conservative, so they have to do this strange dance where they have to condemn natural allies (Muslim traditionalists) because they want money. Money will always erode ideological commitments. You even get fake Christians like Jordan Peterson and Ayaan Hirsi Ali and gays like Douglas Murray
I know it's incredibly cliché, but the last section about the far right not protecting gays anymore after they got to power immediately caused Röhm to come to mind...
But Hitler kept all of Röhm's socialist policies, Rhöm socialism wasn't explicitly supportive of the LGBT+ people because their fight wasn't about minorities, but about creating a socialist society where the government had power over the private, exactly as Hitler's regime. Hitler killing Röhm and keeping the socialist ideology doesn't support your argument as you might think, it only says Hitler killed a rival and kept everything else the same. Point 13 of his "25 POINTS PLAN" was about NATIONALIZATION of all trusts, point 15 about COMMUNALIZATION of the great warehouses, point 17 free EXPROPRIATION of land for the purposes of PUBLIC utility, 24 about how the recovery can only succeed from the idea "THE COMMON INTEREST OVER INDIVIDUAL INTEREST" and point 25 about the formation of a STRONG CENTRAL POWER with UNLIMITED AUTHORITY of the Central Parliament. Tell me how these 13, 14, 17, 24 and 25 points aren't socialist. They were supported by the NATIONALIZED INDUSTRIES taken from their target enemy that they later massacred and after the expropriation those industries were ofc going to support them.
@@azzv.kuskatan Hilter and the Nazis were not in anyway socialist. Private ownership of the means of production thrived under the Nazis. They were capitalists, thieves and murders.
Lol. There was nothing resembling socialism in their policy. It was a pretty brutal capitalism with N**i party leaders being on the top and pretending they govern a state. It was extremely different than what USSR had. You know, actual socialist country at the time @@azzv.kuskatan
@@azzv.kuskatancalling nazi Germany socialist while communists and socialists were the first ones put in the camps is wild. Especially given how the biggest industrialists helped build up and fund the nazis in response to a growing socialist movement to stop it and protect their private property rights.
My country (Poland) on the other hand, either openly dehumanizes LGBT ppl or is "just hating the sin, not the sinner" and does not even want to vote for civil partnership rights, as it would be against the idea of marriage. Especially far-right.
I think it's getting slightly better, now. nothing big, but more left wing voices are being let into the mainstream. this shit takes time, that we unfortunately dont have.
It's not the mainstream issue it was in the presidential election. Like abortion, hating against it only mobilised society and helped generate discussion that broadened people's minds to it. I'm certainly not aware of the far-right having gay figures in it, but maybe we're in the 80s equivalent of Western politics in that regard. Gay marriage is a long way away unfortunately but forcing it too early just creates too much backlash imo, slow and steady wins the race.
@@passiveaggresivesquirrel2052It’s not getting better, like at all. I had no hopes when KO won the elections and I got proven right. Nothing changed, nothing will change
LGBTQ+ people in France really got a short memory. Less than 10 years ago, the right and the far right rallied violently against gay marriage, even went as far as comparing homosexuality to bestiality, rape and pedophilia. Homophobic slurs and hatred were demonstrated on a daily basis. Even some conservative gay people were encouraging such discourse. I remember that time. I was 13 and struggling with my own sexuality. Violence and bullying against LGBTQ people was a given, no matter the age, and it was not because of some religious or ethnic minorities, but because of an unrestrained conservative majority. I will never understand anyone who went through such times and now thinks that these people are our friends. They have not changed and they do not deserve any forgiveness for all the harm they showed themselves capable of committing against us.
As someone who experienced that recently (I'm greek) i agree with everything you say. It's voting for the leopards eating faces party, as that one twitter user put it. They attack others' rights now, they'll turn to you next. Parties that rely on manifacturing an enemy of society and survive via this demonizing and fear mongering, are never safe for gay people. It'll only take a shift in public attitude for them to lead the charge against us once again. We see that happening in the USA right now.
@@forestmanification since when homosexuality is sexual activity of the "wrong" sex? How can you define "wrong" sex? Having sex with opposite gender is "right" according to you? So if a trans man have sex with a woman. Does it consider heterosexual because the people having sex are in opposite gender? I feel like this is some kind of false equivalency you pull out of your ass with no basis of logic or whatsoever.
He didn’t kill Pim Fortuyn because of migrants. It was because of fear of havoc for the environment, so to speak. The perpetrator is a real fanatic environment activist. Had years with 300 trials for farmers and animals against road and high speed rail lines and such. The event was suspicious. It was KGB style: 2 to the head, neck and heart. It happened in the media park and even famous people talked about snipers on roofs. Runouts are that the royal house didn’t like the idea of an open gay leading the country but… right in the days after the event contracts were signed regarding the JSF (f-35). Pim Fortuyn was blocking it because he was against Dutch participation in the project.
The assassin (Volkert van de Graaf) was deep into environmentalist leftist circles (and happens to be an older alumnus of the Environmental Science university programme I was also enrolled in, not sure how to feel about that). Sadly these are not the only murders to have been commited by left wing activists (RAF in Germany, for example), and I guess these violent outbursts are in a way not even that related to political orientation but moreso to radical extremism? Though I believe far-right extremism as a school of thought produces the conditions and justifications for violent outbursts a bit more easily. Some scholars here in The Netherlands argue that the assassination of Pim Fortuyn is the moment that set off The Netherlands' decline into far-right politics, which manifests itself now with WIlders' PVV being the biggest political party. But I don't know! Seeing the far-right growing all over Europe makes me believe that that would have happened regardless. But the murder of Fortuyn has definitely made the left an easier scapegoat in the Dutch political landscape.
@@RickRobben-z3r huh, that’s really annoying. This is why I sometimes position myself as an anti-war pacifist. I thought it was basic sense to have a Batman doesn’t kill type of logic. I’ve found a centrist worrying that being a pacifist is too childish & it would be more grown up not to be one but I disagree, I think this world just needs peace & peace is a difficult but worthwhile place to get to. That said there’s a really good episode of the clone wars where the Jedi defend some pacifists from the Separatists but really they only kill the droid army who are attacking them so the Jedi are still sometimes pacifist unless they’re like Mace Windu.
@@JoseJBronze This is pretty much bullshit btw. Yes, Volkert was a fanatic environmental activist. No, it was not just because of fear for environmental degradation. Volkert himself stated that " he killed Fortuyn to stop him from exploiting Muslims as "scapegoats" and targeting "the vulnerable sections of society" in seeking political power.". A quick wikipedia search on the topic will get you that far. All this JDF and KGB stuff is conspirical bullshit without concrete journalistically sound evidence.
My country shares a border with Syria and after the civil war a lot of Syrians immigrated to my country. Two days ago there were news about a child being mol3sted by a Syrian man and all the people started to vandalize syrian people’s homes and workplaces and to calm them down the police announced that the child victim was also Syrian and quickly this vandalism in the name of protecting the victim turned into an anti-immigrant lynchings and even more violence. And like these people did not care about the victim at all, it is so common for women and children being in those situations and government does nothing and people don’t care but as soon as the immigrants are in the picture people start raiding their homes and show their fascist faces. The police that enjoys beating women, gay people and workers do nothing to stop this madness. And people who participate in this don’t even think they’re racists or fascists. It’s hell going on here.
The issue with journalism is it excludes tbh. The news picks someone they can beat down on and only shares their wrong doings. If one group does one bad thing while another does hundreds of bad things it’s really the media’s choice on who you dislike more
@@sarahs.thorpe857 it’s extra hard being a woman + lesbian bc just the other day the government called the lgbtq community and illegal organization 😭 and it’s so funny that they’re being so nationalist/racist bc turkey is a multicultural country and Armenian, Kurdish, Arab and Greek people have lived in these lands with Turks for centuries like you can’t separate us by race or anything they’re just being stupid
Also the National Rally is interesting considering how openly opportunistic it is. It doesn’t care about having coherent ideas or about committing to past promises, and can change stance with a poll. That’s how they went from very Euro-sceptic to EU-neutral for instance. So they understood being homophobic isn’t a good strategy in modern France, so they aren’t (officially) anymore. But as long as there is a racist vote, a transphobic vote, they’ll continue to be.
@user-oi6pr2pf4x No it isn't; well done on exposing your stupidity. Yeah, I reported your pseudo-intellectual waffle because it scared me 😂😂😂 You obviously don't know how YT works.
In India we have the same thing . There are gays who are very right wing and they openly bash pride parades and other queer especially trans considering trans people have more history in india compared to gay people. We call them sanghays
"Sanghays" iska matlab? But you are right in my experience they will bash and openly deny gay rights, like in the past year the issue of marriage. But when pointed out, our culture has supported this and that. Look how progressive we are....
@@subritikarmakar7897He is combining the words sanghis & gays, one means a member of a volunteer organisation focused on nationalism & discipline, and other means someone who is sexually attracted to same sex as themselves. So ultimately he is saying that most homosexuals in India are selfless & disciplined.
Surprised to see an Indian here. Her channel is very niche it's an acquired taste dare I say. Coming to your point, I agree with Ravish Kumar (former NDTV primetime anchor) that for the past 10 year people have been given a steady dose of right wings politics so today you have gays who openly advocate for Indian right wing. At some point it will become like the reification of caste in our society.
The issue here is that the left has a blind spot when it comes to criticizing Islamic homophobia, but has no qualms with criticizing Christian homophobia and rightly so. There is a real ‘far right’ ideology dominating many Muslim communities in the West, rejecting women’s and gay rights. Intersectionality does not always work. Many Muslims which are themselves victims of discrimination also turn around and discriminate against gay people. Gay rights and Islamophobia are not a ‘common struggle’ by any means. In fact, the accusation of Islamophobia is often used to silence any and all critique of the homophobic and sexist ideologies inherent in Islamic doctrines. The European ‘far right’ is correct in this regard, though I’m sure their support for gay people is more opportunistic than genuine.
@@RationalistMH thank you for summing the issue up perfectly. I couldn’t have put it any better. So tired of people turning a blind eye to Islamic homohobia and misogyny
Lol it's not as simple as blaming a whole religion for homophobia. For one, the global south rightly identify how lgbt is packaged with neoliberalism, something that is foreign, another "advice" from the west.
Yeah at this point I only follow independent medias because it just makes me sad (luckily there are still some good stuff on public TV but it's just.... So far in between each other and mostly stuff that's not linked to the news)
@@TheStanley1000 Overwhelming bias against left-wing movements in media through slandering and lies, the constant contempt from liberals and macronists towards the working class, the disaffected rural population and youth flirting with neo-fascists and actual former vichy collaborators .. Is this not bad enough ? I could go on and on. I'm not here to "argue", that's just an observation.
@@westwarden5979 Je m'attendais à un argument de taille de ta part, quelle tristesse 😢 Les médias font leurs travails, souviens toi avec Mélanchon et ses propos bien complotistes comme quoi l'état mettrait en place des attentats sous faux drapeau 🚩 pour sois disant blâmer les musulmans et faire monter l'extrême droite, et comme par hasard, le lendemain, le comité LFI nous sommes une affaire d'un droitardé TH-camur pour camoufler ses délires conspi, et là, les médias ont fait le boulot 🤗 Melanchon a la même dialectique que Soral, l'antisémitisme avec l'antisionnisme et le complotisme en se prenant pour un Dissident. Laisse moi rire 😂
Interesting question, Alice. Here in the US we're starting to see it a little bit too with a lot of even vocal anti-LGBTQ folks suddenly being discovered engaging in secret same sex activities. Definitely something to the self hatred angle, as well as "make friends with the wolf and maybe he'll eat you last" bit. Interesting thoughts on the far right aesthetic, hadn't considered that. Good video as always, hope you're feeling better! Good luck in the elections!
FWIW, "anti-LGBTQ folks" have been "suddenly being discovered engaging in secret same sex activities" here for at least decades lol. But its been an uptick for sure.
We had Log Cabin Republicans in the US. They were LGBTQ+ Republicans who supported Bush and the wars. They were homosexuals who valued their class identity over their sexual identity. In America, money compensates for any injustice. I've heard similar attitudes from minorities living in Europe. Yes, they may face more interpersonal discrimination, but the welfare state is very generous in comparison to the US or their homeland. As long as society cares for my needs or makes me rich (gay conservatives), they can hate me all they want. It's a very material view of politics and potentially shortsighted. The right will eventually purge itself of convenient allies once it secures power.
Neoconservativism is the result of Zionist capture of the GOP. Magnus Hirschfeld, Sigmund Freud, Judith Butler, and Shulamith Firestone all contributed to LGBT and feminist theory. They would probably support Israel over Palestine because their ethnic narcissism supersedes their ideological commitments to support minorities.
Interesting! I feel like the radical right is lg friendly as long as classic gender stereotypes are reproduced: there is still a lot of hate for nonbinary, trans or drag folks. In Germany one of the top AFD politicians Alice weidel is lesbian, but not queer (her own words).
Honestly, it kind of explains some of the exhausting infighting and respectability politics we have to deal with. Anyone can decide for themselves how to present and what feels right to be clear. But those people who decide to blame queerphobia on those of us who don't and can't fit the traditional gay image well enough, and then get us branded at "yelling at our own kind!" By onlookers. A trad family of whatever gender and orientation is just fine to enjoy themselves, it's the moralising and shaming of other harmless people and structures that crosses the line, and they keep hiding behind being the token "normal gay" for their party. The word queer is quite powerful too specifically because they don't claim it. It's kind of the defining line between just an orientation and a challenge to a system. Being queer means being incompatible with the notions of shame, and enforcement of being conservative. Queer as a word literally has origins to mean strange, then offensive to old fashioned political, amatonormative standards. The gays who aren't being "normal and conservative" are in fact queer. The ones who do conform, are free to disassociate from us.
Exactly ! It's very obvious when you realize that the openly lgbtq+ RN members are GAYS. No lesbians whatsoever. Because we know that lesbianism does challenge the patriarchy and gender roles in its very existence and gender expression. (see Monique Wittig) You can be gay as long as you don't express it and don't refer to it as an identity, (and mostly this exist in higher social classes)
I don‘t support Alice Weidel at all but I‘m also gay and not queer, simply because the latter has become a neoliberal umbrella term for straight people begging to be oppressed. I‘m homosexual and I‘m on the left.
As a gay man who lives in Indonesia (a muslim majority country), seeing homophobia in this country, i'm glad that many europeans or in the west start pointing out the homophobia in islam!!!
Sadly homophobia has nothing to do with islam. There is plenty of it in christian and buddist nations as well. No comfort for you of course, just saying.
That’s why these gays are voting for "for right" parties, because they realise that the great replacement is happening. Islamisation of Europe is far greater danger to their safety than any Conservative Party in their countries.
@@ertymexx if there is homophobia in Christian countries, this does not mean that Islam is not homophobic, what kind of logic is that? it just shows that both Islam and Christianity are homophobic. I live in Kyrgyzstan where there are many Muslims and as a gay guy I cannot express my feelings in any way
Just look at what happened to jewish members of the National Fascist Party in Italy during the 1930s. They clung on to the party, after all they were the “Good Ones”. This, until Dachau or down in dark muddy ditches where they were shot by their former bretheren.
I'm french from a small village too and know a lot of people who turned to the far right.. it's really sad yo see that basically 50% of people here voted for the far right.
It's a good thing. They want to protect French culture and they want to protect LGBT from gay-hating immigrants. That's an honest opinion. 🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️
@@erinkatrina4201Extremely. They capitalized on the issues than run deep for rural France: lack of funding, lack of recognition, abandonment of the government.... They're pitting them against urban population mainly through the use of xenophobia and racism.
In France, is there a difference between the "far" right and just the right? Does the mainstream right like gay people and other races or something? Maybe the "right" just thinks they should tax imports of sardines differently than the "left"?
After seeing Biden's performance, my anxiety around the future as a transfem in the US is pretty intense right now. I've come across this irl with some trans girls that think because they pass on some level they'll be safe and if they see anyone get harassed they'll keep their head down and say "that's their problem". That is that fallacy that aligning or not making waves will keep you safe from people that don't want you to be safe. Still, I'm terrified in a pretty deep way rn. Not stoked that France is also swinging far right. This is really annoying to put it lightly.
I think part of the issue is, unironically, Caitlyn Jenner. She has gone right off the deep end in terms of her deeply transphobic views, despite being a trans woman herself. It's incredibly hard to fathom how she can really believe those views. But therein kinda lies the prototype for this sort of thing, that goes beyond not just her or even Blair White, but more this general sense that if trans people are normalised, then that'll be good - and if that means throwing some other trans people under the bus, then so be it. I pass to the people who are around me, and yet I know the very danger that exists from the anti-trans right, not just to remove healthcare, but crack down on DIYing, to make using the toilets that align with your gender illegal, to make even mentioning that trans people exist in schools illegal. For me, as much as I live my everyday life not wanting to have to be misgendered or asked inappropriate questions, I see myself as wanting to live my fullest life, and ensuring that everyone else gets to do so too.
@@vaska00762 Hi, I know it's been a moment since this video went live, but I had a question. I know that the anti-trans right in the US had been planning on banning trans healthcare, but I didn't know that they were going to attempt to crack down on DIYing too. Do you know how they would go about it?
@@reksee7338 The simplest way would be at the border, seizing anything that arrives by mail or courier. Already, border control authorities in much of the world (including the US) is already on the look out for illicit drugs and anything that would be of concern. It wouldn't take too much doing to add hormones to that list - Indeed Testosterone is, in many jurisdictions, already a restricted medication (due to doping concerns). Beyond that, laws could be enacted, which already do exist in some countries, to make possession of prescription medications, without a prescription, a criminal offence. While it's something that would be difficult to enforce, if the authorities are already tasked with looking into anything who is known to be trans, that could lead to a potentially swift and targeted crack down.
You see similar people in marginalized groups. Women who hate minorities and LGBT people. Black misogynist who hate other ethnic groups. Most groups in general hate each other, they just team up against who ever is on top.
Your Dutch pronounciation of Geert Wilders and Pim Fortuyn were pretty spot on. Pim Fortuyn was a very openly gay man, might'v been interesting to mention that as well.
I would be extremely cautious to say this, and especially to say it’s “universal”. In Italy the far right is in power and it has certainly not adopted a pro-lgbt stance. If anything homophobia and intolerance towards lgbt people is becoming more accepted in the political discourse of western countries in the past years, even those that used to be ahead of others in this area such as the usa. That being said, and I wanna make sure to say that the far right is NOT the lgbt’s ally at all, we do need to urgently start discussing the fact that many people who come from certain cultural backgrounds have worrying levels of homophobia and hatred that need to be addressed (and this is a fact that we can see in statistics) and we can’t dismiss them simply because “they are minorities!!!!!”. Being a minority shouldn’t mean that you are exempted from respecting the human rights of groups that are accepted in the country where you live. To ignore this just because we are talking about minorities seems very illogical to me, other than contradictory
Here in greece, it was the center right ruling party that brought the gay marriage and adoption law, after years of opposing all pro lgbt legislation. And despite the ruling party having an absolute majority (i mean that, if every one of its representatives votes for something, it can pass, even if everyone else is against it) in this case some of its representatives voted in favor, some down voted, and some didn't show up at all. The law passed with good majority only due to the votes and support by left wing parties (not the communist one). And after that, the right wing (ultra religious, anti lgbt, anti "woke" agenda etc) did very good in the european elections, and they (the ruling party) didn't do as good, so they blamed their failure on gay marriage and promised to not do anything else for gay people. Point is, far right here is definitely not pro lgbtq, and the center right is somewhat for lgbtq but it also tries to pander to it's right wing voters and representatives. Also, for any other law they wanted to pass, they did so as quickly as possible. Gay marriage, they let the subject drug for months, with all the hatred that was unleashed in public discourse in the meantime. Ruling party also passed a law that "bans" conversion therapy, except if it's done with an adult's consent, and only for professionals (meaning religious institutions can do it and advertise it freely). I guess time will show if they'll lean on their pro or anti lgbtq side. And also if they'll lean more center or more to the right. And one more thing: about islam, you're absolutely correct. The left is unwilling to adress it, the right adresses it but also hates gay people and muslims as a whole. The rights policies might also make the matters worse, by alienating muslim populations and make them lean more heavily on their hateful religion/culture, thus becoming more extremist. There needs to be a middle ground for this. And i just checked, the only two absentees from the "new left" party (during the gay marriage voting) happen to be the only muslims... they weren't vocal, unlike the Christians, but i also didn't see anyone pointing to their absence and critisising it.
Sorry if this comes out as insistent, but I'm so scared after the results of the legislative elections in France. I'm GenZ like you and so many of my young counterparts don't vote because they're jaded about the system. But we need people to vote or else shit like this will keep happening... Plz, Alice, I'd love for you to make a video about what's going on in our country and in which you'd encourage people to vote left. You have a voice and a platform so you can change a lot, je vous en prie Alice, notre patrie dépend de nous tous!
As a LGBT+ I care more about my safety compared to my privileges as of now. I’ve kinda been on the conservative side but came out years ago but even then I rather do it in secret then get raped or assaulted for a link up
i think why gay and women see 'far" right as better option then left or right is becouse left or right been in power did everyhting yet stuff wen't south real fast so people turn to something new and say: hey maybe this will wokr. and its normal reaction people want to feel safe if option 1 option 2 didin't work option 3 may work. Plus i don't think its so suprising that gay or women or even the legal migrants join "far"right we do not generalize people the right is as diverse in views as the left . right left etc is political stuff it has no effect on your life same as gender or sexuality as long as u know how to behave or don't make it your enter personality
The issue with the far-right is their propensity for security-based hedonism and their inability for subtlety and moderation when discussing Islam. It's need to other entire groups. The issue on the left is their inability to be honest about it. Islam IS a threat to lgbt rights. Most religions were (and to an extent still are) a threat to most types of lgbt rights. I'm openly gay, in France. At work, the only colleagues I've had that were discriminating were Muslim. And there certainly are plenty of Muslim people that live their faith as a personal journey who are no more a threat than an elderly eager christian that engages the world with love. But there are also individuals who see their faith as part of identity politics. They are far-right Muslims of sorts. While I'm firmly anchored on the left, I can understand why people follow the security pipeline towards the far-right. I can debate with people for days about why "far-right bad". But when you stumble upon people that have lived some bad things (a gang rape by migrants. Being beaten half to death because you were holding your boyfriend's hand at a bar. A school mate of your child being raped and beaten while suffering anti-semitic slurs) it becomes harder. I stay the course of the left because it encompasses more of what I think society should be, but I'm also ashamed and don't recognize myself in the cowardice of most left-wing parties when it comes to acknowledging when something is wrong with a threatened demographic. The far right has always used the nugget of truth to then expand in their inane generalizations and theatrics. It's a failure on the part of the left that's led us to this point. We gave free reign to the far-right on matters of Islam by refusing to rise to the challenge that is a nuanced danger.
But isn't that just the same issue as christian extremism? Unfalsifiable premises leading to irrational convictions? Don't get me wrong, I'm an antitheist, full stop. But people are people, and some people are going to believe in magic books. We can't exactly outlaw religion. Better, then, to liberalize its canon.
@@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos Oh agreed, hence why I mentioned most religions can be a threat. But we've had time to "tame" Christians, reducing them (mostly) to people that clutch their pearls more than anything else. Islam doesn't have the same structure that can be used (they try with the "Imams de France", basically moderate imams that try the further the most peaceful side of things. But at large most Muslims do fall under more extreme Imams funded from abroad. And given France does not fund religions, any of them, any attempt to counter that runs into a wall. The religious following is also different in nature. Most people who say they're "catholic" in France have a loose belief at most, not always sticking to actual Dogma, and quite a few of them are agnostic simply referring to "cultural Catholicism". The adopt apparent values or social habits without considering the whole spiritual side of religion. Muslims tend to stick a bit closer to the Dogma culturally. Part of the reason is they've been othered and forced to remain secluded in their own communities in a way. It makes for a perfect extremism breeding ground. But any attempt from a reasonable lefty to touch on that subject will be met with accusations of wholesale Islamophobia. The far rights licks it's chops anytime that happens, because they have the only "unashamed" voice against "Big Islam".
I think the main issue when you blame Muslim or immigrant people for all the homophobia is how you homogenize and demonize all of them, which is simply untrue. But yes, ofc Muslims and immigrants are the cause of a lot of crime, homophobia, violence, etc. I completely understand and know that. It's good to recognize that. But first, they're not the only ones to blame, and second, why not change their views through education instead of further marginalizing and excluding them ? Schools can be a great place to teach children to be respectful and understanding And btw, when y'all blame Muslim or immigrant people, you always always forget that there are a lot of queer people in those groups. Truly a lot. And they suffer from both the homophobia and violence of their own communities and the rejection of the country that they're trying to adapt to. I ask of you to please take all those people in consideration when talking about homophobia and transphobia in migrant communities, because they have always been and will always been the most affected by it.
I'd also like to add that Islam in itself isnt a threat. The real threat are homophobic and violent people who use a book as justification for their hatred and cruelty against what they cannot understand. Homophobic people will always want an excuse anyway. A lot of Muslim people are queer and they obviously don't see their religion as a threat to their lives or existence
@@k.v.7681 thank you so much for pointing that out. I‘m gay and consider myself on the left and so frustrated with people seemingly not being interested in reality. We can‘t turn a blind eye to Islamist homophobia (and misogyny) any longer, we can’t leave this issue to the right and far right that demonise every Muslim person altogether. to ignore this very real threat is not only foolish, but extremely dangerous
They dropped it because Republicans knew that they will never win over lgbtq voters. Besides from African American voters, lgbtq voters is the Democrats most solid voting bloc. In 2020, about 83% of LGBTQ voters voted for Biden and Democrats down ballot vs only 15% who voted for Trump and Republicans down ballot.
Also you forgot to mention that most lgbtq members in the USA are GenZ Americans. GenZ Americans tend to be more left wing than previous generations before them, and Republicans have trouble winning over GenZ and Millennial voters. Especially GenZ women, with 41% of GenZ women identifying as Liberal, vs only 19% of GenZ women who identified as conservative. Another 39% of GenZ women identified as a Democratic voter vs only 21% who identified as a Republican voter. GenZ women are by far the largest cohorts of the liberal and progressive faction in the USA and among the Democratic party. Among GenZ men, 35% of GenZ men identified as liberal vs only 25% of GenZ men who identified as conservative. Another 39% of GenZ men identified as a Democratic voter vs 23% who identified as a Republican voter.
Maybe the so called "far right" is not that far away from the center... I consider myself a centrist liberal, I have always been one. I was akways in favor of gay marriage (20 years ago). I am an atheist who despises the idea of religion in politics. I am as much of a centrist liberal as I could get. But I find myself agreeing with the so called "far right" more and more. I haven't changed my opinions, but everyone else has. my biggest point of disagreement with the "far right" is the support for Ukraine, they are against it, I am in favour.
these guys perspective is so lopsided that everything is "FAR" to them when you disagree and they call every disagreement an extreme difference. no sense of priorities, no sense of scale, no sense of nuance. according to them, liberals are right-wing.
@@pedrolopes3542 hey Pedro, thanks for your comment. I‘m glad there are true progressives like you who see the dangers of religion - in this case Islam - very clearly. It shocks me to see how many people are ignorant of this. As a gay man on the centre left, I fully agree with you
Im 29, I grew up during the "manif pour tous" (far right protest against gay right wich were very active in my high school) and it led me to stay in the closet for years its pure gaslighting.
You shared the statistic that 79% of rapes in France are committed by men the victims knew… did you also tell the girl that 77% of rapes in France are committed by someone with a migrant background?
or perhaps at least some LGBT folk get worried about a trend that is increasingly on display by the progressive left of cozying up to Islam and promoting mass migration from parts of the world where being gay is viewed as a crime. there is nothing irrational in apprehension that LGBT folk must feel towards political Islam, which is fast becoming a force to be reckoned with in parts of Europe. this to me is a much more convincing reason why LGBT would support right-wing parties vs rather far-fetched hypotheses that are floated in the video.
@@melancho96 She's more interested in protecting the IDEOLOGY of Islam over the safety of gay PEOPLE. The absolute hypocrisy of leftist spaces is really starting to push many of us away. Criticise Christianity? OF COURSE! Criticise Judaism? ACTIVELY ENCOURAGED! Criticise Islam? NEVER!
You talk as if this is a bad thing... But it seems to me to be a good thing that that we have progressed so far that even the most right wing and conservative party are now accepting of LGBT folks; that being queer is now becoming normalized and no longer political. Historically, queer people only have the choice to vote for the left because that the only party that doesn't discriminate against them. But now we have came to a point where LGBT rights is so widely accepted that queer people have the choice to vote for any party they want, they are not longer strapped to leftist politics. Maybe this is a bad thing for the leftist who expect LGBT folks to continue to be their solid voter base, but I don't think its a bad thing for queer people who now have to freedom to subscribe to any type of politics they wish. In fact, it give me the impression that you are just as willing to instrumentalize LGBT people for your leftist politics, just as what you might criticize the right wing of doing. Your talking about "pushing back against this normalization" strike me as saying you're willing for LGBT people to remain stigmatized so they would continue to be loyal leftists that subscribe to leftist ideals.
i dont like the 'homophobic = closeted' thing. it blames homophobia on gay people. yeah internalised homophobia is a problem, but most homophobia is not self-hating repressed shit from gay people, it's just prejudice from people that dont like people different from them.
@@evilforestspirit I m not saying its right or wrong but its a fact a lot of right wingers are closet cases. I think her video covered that pretty well.
It's very simple, those who threaten gay people in France are not the National Rally electors, but the electors of the far-left (or should I say the islamic left). Try to be gay in "far-right" territories, you'll have no problem. Try to be gay in far-left territories (aka islamic territories) and you'll have a very different experience. Also there is a big difference between the LGBT lobby that is a very Parisian thing, there are homosexual "communities" in Paris living in their segregated gay left-wing bubbles and the average homosexuals of the countryside and small cities (that don't define themselves by being gay, it's just a small part of what they are) living with people voting for the so-called "far-right" and knowing these people are not "homophobic fascists". Also the evolution toward homosexuality as nothing to do with the "far-right" but the entire society. In the 1970s the French left especially the French communist pary was strongly homophobic saying that "there is no homosexuals in the working class, homosexuality is a bourgeois degeneracy". So it's funny how the left today always look at the past of their opponents but totally amnesic about their own.
Too many facts in this comment, unfortunately. Leftists such as this video "essayist" have no idea how homophobic they are in their "analysis" of this phenomenon. And LGBTQ+ isn't even a coherent constituency. Transgenderism is a homophobic ideology, for instance.
Lmao loud and wrong racist there is no Islamic left in France and it has (while not always) been the far left parties to support France’s lgbt people and no there are no Islamic territories lmao get your anti immigrant bs out of here and it seems you have a short memory I remember who protested violently France’s decision to legalize gay marriage but was the RN and other rightoids nice try fascist your division won’t work
Gay people in Paris don’t self segregate because they won’t to be gay all the time they’ve done that so they wouldn’t be harassed and those communities have stuck and no lgbt people in rural areas don’t just hide it because it’s a small part it’s homophobia headass
Islam is not a left-wing ideaology. The beliefs of Islam align more with the far right because thst religion still oppresses women and LGBTQ people. Plus, there isn't a tame version of Islam yet that doesn't discriminate.
This is Kim from Texas and I feel you I think you did a great job on this presentation and I'm a gay grandma 63 years old. But bravo the discrimination starts at home with parents My father lived under Hitler and he beat me until he committed suicide when I was 17. It's a hard road but keep going everybody It gets better and you're right I do see the far right they use identity politics specializing in dehumanizing the other. I don't know why they use this either cuz it doesn't work to me. It only out so as very mean spirited people. Thanks for all your hard work It helps everyone. 🙏🏳️🌈💙❤️
I am not a woman, so I cannot speak for you, or for any of women. I. however, am a gay man escaped from Asia to come to live in the Netherlands, and came across your video. First of all, a note on Pim Fortuyn, he had the idea of closing the borders, but he considers people who were already citizens true citizens and would like to integrate all of them, regardless of backgroud. That being said, it is very easy to call someone "far right" these days. RN in France, PVV in NL and AfD in Germany were classified as far right, but they are very different with regards to gay issues. AfD is openly homophobic (even though the leader is a lesbian), while Wilders has never been homophobic. I have never voted for the right, but the rise of the right has also to do with the fact that the left cannot hold a uniform standard across everyone. I have a friend who was a gay Syrian. He had to move out of the refugee camp, since he was in danger with people finding out that he's gay. The Dutch gave them a type A status, which means that he can stay in NL indefinitely (and can integrate to become Dutch later in life). Others don't usually get such a treatment. I think it is a very good policy. I would let anyone like my friend in, but to the people who would attack him (or me) just because we're gay, who do you think you are to be entitled to stay in this country? If a Muslim say all Jews have to d-i-e, he's just a Muslim. If a random white Thomas says the same, he is a Nazi. Worse yet, the left start looking for excuses, which they would have otherwise never done had it been said by Thomas. Can we face the reality that a James can be a Muslim (convert), and an Ali can be an ex-Muslim who have received death threats? If you cannot, maybe you are the racist...? We need to stop treating religion holy (we did that to Christianity, and it went well!), but to treat them like another other ideas, be it humanism, feminism, communism, Facism or Nazism. Furthermore, on the issue of Islam, it is not only homophobia and / or mysogyny which is the problem. Remember Charlie Hebdo? The problem is not that there is a crazy guy bombing a lot of people. The problem is bigger: it silences critics. This has been a tactic for many totalitarian goverments (e.g. China), where they would punish just 1 person harshly to silence the rest. This is why freedom of speech is important. Ideologies which are antithtical to this is a threat to our society (we have seen it, but most of the Western Europe has a generation who was born in freedome of speech, so they might not know how it is like without it) On 12:37, I cannot speak for Tanguy, but for me, the "right of detachment" is not like "I have my rights now, so screw you!", but more like "I told my colleagues that I have a boyfriend, and everyone just acted as if I have said I have a girlfriend" I am gay, but I find no need to be proud of it (I didn't do anything to achieve it). That is (and in my opinion, should be) the ultimate goal. On 17:28, is it possible that the ratio of men that Ms Toumazoff were mostly white in the first place? If a society has 0.1% of a certain group A, which consists of 1% of the crime in statistics, that would mean that group A is 10x more likely to commit a crime. As someone who did not grow up in the West, I see the mainstream left-wingers being empathatic but still very uneducated about the rest of the earth (just like their right-wing counterpart!). How many Muslims do you personally know? How many Migrants (with various cultural background)? Have you ever talk to them about their opinion on social issues, without revealing too much of your own? The progressive and communists (leftist in general) allied with the Islamist to overthrow the Shah in Iran. in 1979. Guess what happened to them afterwards? On this end, I propose the following: let more migrants in, but make it ideologically strict. Check if they have any antisemitic / homophobic / misogynistic views. Crossing it = getting out. But if the right won't suggest it, the left should. There is a problem, and if you do not want to solve the problem, it will be solved by someone else, and trust me, you won't like the solution. If the current right is not the solution, neither is the current left the solution! (For anyone who thinks that it is not fair for a homophobic James to stay in the country just because he is born into the right country, I agree with you. We should bring back exile as a punishment. I do acknowledge that this will be controversial and also not the point of my post here)
You said everything I wanted to say. - fellow brown guy 💪 From my perspective as a brown man (who has lived in a muslim majority country where it is life threatening to be even known as a gay person let alone be openly free about it publically) the reason why so many of us gays are now becoming less and less left leaning is because the current left as we have it in the democratic world are so eager to platform, blindly support and in worse case scenario play the "useful idiot" role where they downplay or discredit the dangers of violent islamist ideologies. Much like yourself from what this overly simplistic video indicates. We who have fled homophobic countries are baffled by this phenomenon to see leftist who champion gay and women rights also scream and accuse of anyone who points out the conservative muslims and their backward beliefs such as death penalty to apostates or blasphemy/censorship laws as "Islamophobic" or "xenophobic". Seeing what is happening in the United States, Sweden, Belgium or the United Kingdom where so-called progressives give these religious conservatives legitimate governing power in the recent local elections (ie Michigan, Toronto, and the UK local mayoral elections). This year (2023-2024) I've seen majority of Muslims living in the west screaming death to Yahudis (arabic for Jews) and dehumanizing innocent Jewish people daily with the support from useful idiots leftists. A year before that (2022), in Canada and the US school boards were vandalised, attacked and books are banned because they dared to say gay people exists and we've seen majority of muslims protest in favour of this with voice speakers saying "F*** gay people" with their kids stomping on rainbow flags. Recent US national polls conducted by the Pew Research Center saw that support for marriage equality among Muslim demographic fell from around 51% to 42% this year. Translation;: Muslim communities living in the US are becoming more against gay people being afforded equal rights than they were last year. Explain to me why is this decline if they are so tolerant as the leftist claim to be? Intersectionality goes down the drain. I'm suppose to gaslighted into caring about these people when they get deported? Who do we (gay people who fled from these same muslims leftist and so called "progressives" are coddling) turn to? Certainly not with the Christian nationalist right. Certainly not with the Islamists who are being coddled by the left in fear of being called "islamophobic bigot" or whatever is the buzzword for that day. I remain a centrist. As of now a center-right leaning.
6:10 Les femmes Afghanes sont maintenant réduites en esclavage. Trop génial le Tiers-Mondisme décolonial.🙄 Puisque vous évoquez féminisme d'Etat comme une vilaine ingérence occidentale, quid des ingérences de Lincoln ? Après tout, c'était la "culture locale" de transformer les Noirs en bêtes de somme
it will always amaze me how the rights speaks about this as if its mutually exclusive. If they really cared about queer people they would involve them too, stick up for them too. It really shows more that they use the subject as a tool.
@@rvj.9352nationalism prioritises self-preservation above all else, therefore homosexuality is secondary when making decisions based on that principle. As a result, many people on the right have softened their anti-gay beliefs over time, coming to believe that homosexual members of their own community are more significant than others. Still, she brings up the claim that the women she spoke with just want to feel safer and brings up the 79% statistics to try and refute she's no more safer if they're surrounded by French men or not. The problem with this claim is that per capita, the French are still the majority, and it's undeniable that many of these other men come from countries where women are seen as less. Does this girl really think France is as dangerous for women as India or Iran?
@@paulwilliams561 so, have you seen the statistics? You just love to ignore them and falsely claim that those men aren't committing almost half the crimes when they are the MINORITY as you just said. French men still commit crimes but immigrants commit half of them when they are the MINORITY, that's the problem.
Great video, Alice :) Reminded me a lot of the AfD here in Germany. They (or at least their better communicators) have sadly mastered the fine line between catching conservative queer people with homonationalism with one hand and catching queerphobic people by promising them a return to "the traditional family" with the other hand... pretty horrible to see. It's great to see that France has such a wide-spread counter-movement to the RN. Sadly that is what we are somewhat lacking here. Time to go out and radicalise all my gay groups, I guess ;)
This counter movement is supporting Islamist that want to criminalize homosexuality, and they want mass immigration of Muslims that are homophobic to the point of making France more dangerous to LGBT. There is no bigger danger in France for gays then Leftist this is a fact.
I am Gay german and Im planning on voting the AfD in the next election. My „survival“ here in Germany is not threatened by the far right but more thought from the continuous hostility I experience from muslim/arab migrants. There is a demographic shift happening in Europe and soon islamic values and issues will become more prevalent in European politics. A left wing government doesn’t acknowledge or deal with this issue so I chose the lesser of two evils.
@@ben9234 I am also a gay German and I'd suggest that you a) read the AfD's Parteiprogramm and b) look at some statistics regarding queerphobic violence. Because yes, that is on the rise - but there is no indication that it is predominantly done by migrants. The vast majority of hate crimes are committed by white, right wing Germans. Just google the statistics (polizeiliche Kriminalstatistik zu Hasskriminalität). I'm sorry to hear you experience hostility, nobody should have to experience that. The AfD doesn't care about that though. They see that a lot of gay people are worried about their safety (understandably so) and they use that fear to try and manipulate us. Claiming that queerphobia predominantly comes from arab/muslim migrants is a lie, pure and simple. They play the game right-wing politicians have always played: Trying to pit minorities against each other and then fucking both of them over. If the AfD came into power, they'd try and deport as many migrants as possible (including the gay ones, into countries where they wouldn't be safe) and then they'd take away equal rights for queer people. The AfD are a deeply homophobic party, however much they might try to hide behind Alice Weidel. I hope you realise that before you give them your vote. You'll literally vote against your own best interest.
@@ben9234 hi Ben, ich bin auch ein schwuler Mann in Deutschland und verstehe deine Angst. Ich würde trotzdem die AfD nicht wählen, auch wenn ich von den linken Parteien zunehmend desillusioniert bin, weil sie die offensichtliche islamische Homophobie (und Misogynie) einfach nicht thematisieren. Bin trotzdem eigentlich eher im linken Spektrum beheimatet. Würdest du dich denn an sich als links oder liberal einordnen oder konservativ? Und könntest du dir vorstellen, deine Entscheidung zu ändern, wenn sich linke Parteien endlich des Themas annehmen? Ich finde die Analyse im Video jedenfalls auch völlig fehlgeleitet und gefährlich.
@@ben9234 ah mein Kommentar ist leider verschwunden. Ich bin auch schwul und frustriert von der Nachlässigkeit der linken Parteien bzgl muslimischer Homophobie und Misogynie, sehe mich aber eigentlich dennoch eher links. Könnte man dich zurückgewinnen, wenn linke Parteien sich endlich dieses Themas annehmen?
I think another element as well that you perhaps could have touched on is the fact that this expectance of homosexuality by the far right is really only happening in countries where the right has become largely secularized, most countries far right parties outside of western Europe (even in western Europe, with Italy being a good example) are far more religious.
I never saw muslims support for gay people, so from my side I don't owe them any acceptance. It's not nationalism, it's just common sense since there's no reason to help anyone who would never help you or who would even harm you at the first opportunity. At some point left will have to choose side and now it seems that alliance with islam for them is more important unfortunately
as an exmuslim, I agree with you, I'm not entirely against immigration, but it's ridiculous for LGBT+ people and people who just happen to be gay/lesbian to support a religion that teaches people to kill gays and kill people who leave the religion
And they will never, Islam stands to its core, and against the sickness you brought to the world, unlike Christianity where it was depleted of its meaning and tolerate everything, which makes it stand for nothing in the end
there ate so many muslim people advocating for queer rights and are queer themselves. dont look just on the surface. there are no 2 sides. anyone can be queer their religion wont stop that.
"79% of SA is committed by someone they knew" doesn't do anything to discredit the fear of immigrants though, since "people you know" and "immigrants" are not two mutually exclusive groups. The average person probably knows a fair number of immigrants, and I'm sure plenty of immigrant women know mostly immigrant men.
Precisely, the root is not immigration or a specific culture/religion, it’s a structural thing that transcends those fields, as you can find that statistic (of the perpetrator being someone close to the victim) in every single country, despite its sociocultural characteristics
Two things then: 1. This implies that lots of immigrant women are victims of rape. You're then showing it is a global problem that should be tackled regardless of the country, and I agree. But then, doesn't it also simplify the picture? People are saying more and more that men can be victims and women abusers, well, then it is also true for immigrants. 2. Many people living in the suburbs/small towns and especially villages don't know a lot of immigrants. By "knowing their victims", one thinks more about close friends and even family members. The case of incests was even brought a lot recently in France. But the main point is that rapists can be everyone, and that the most frightening thought. By only focusing on rapist immigrants, you're not showing that you defend victims, you're only showing that you are racist and only care about one fraction of the abuses.
@varalderfreyr8438 And while they hit big in the headlines, and that they are horrible and should be dismantled, grooming gangs don't constitute the majority of rapes.
Intersectionality should always be at the heart of every liberation movement and conversation we have. We miss much of the complexities of the situation if we ignore it. Thank you so much for the video. You've made some really important observations ❤
@LibertarianDude99 hey buddy... don't you think it's just plain ignorant of you to assume that I'm a Muslim based sheer conjecture? And aren't we over this stupid "whataboutism" tactic that only proves your incapability of talking about the matter at hand? Intersectioanlity is needed in all closed-minded one-sided communities just like the one you come from apparently. So you go ahead and take care of yours and stop making such annoyingly ignorant remakrs.
@@JaceFalconThis isn't even internally coherent. You're implying that people who 'cry wolf' are making it easier to manufacture consent for a real fascist takeover, but you're also saying that _society as a whole_ is crying wolf. Both of these things cannot simultaneously be true.
I dislike videos that pretend to be "deep" and "daring to challenge the status quo" while refusing to acknowledge any difficult truths. They default to a boring and reductionistic view of societies as simply oppressors and oppressed, failing to recognize that societies are complex, as the creator herself ironically states. She spent 22 minutes invalidating the feelings of minorities, dismissing concerns about homophobia and misogyny as mere manipulation and stupidity. The reality is straightforward: reports of discrimination against gay people and women haven't improved much and have even worsened in some European cities. Only one political group actively calls out this discrimination, but that doesn't mean they genuinely care. It’s disheartening to see how disposable it can feel to belong to these groups. People even try to undermine your own marches with things like "no pride without Palestine," refusing to accept multiple issues simultaneously and disregarding what you might be experiencing. Again, this video is as shallow as a lengthy comment lost somewhere in a boring subreddit post.
The only people making minorities feel unsafe are ppl like you and it’s you conservatives that have made us feel unsafe and we refuse to hold pride without Palestine and its people because we are not pawns to capitalist militarism
@@wordart_guian They do. They both derive from the latin word "facsis" meaning "bundle", from the Greek phákelos (also “bundle”) referring to a bound bundle of wooden rods. Fascism derives its name from this fasces of Ancient Rome where it symbolized a Roman king's power to punish his subjects, and later, a magistrate's power and jurisdiction. The Latin fascis became f*gotto in Italian then f*got in French and F*gg*t in English, all referring to a bundle of sticks used for fuel. The association with the slur came about due to convicted homos being burned at the stake as punishment - therefore the kindling used to burn them became insulting metonymy.
@@wordart_guian They do. They both derive from the latin word "facsis" meaning "bundle", from the Greek phákelos (also “bundle”) referring to a bound bundle of wooden rods. Fascism derives its name from this fasces of Ancient Rome where it symbolized a Roman king's power to punish his subjects, and later, a magistrate's power and jurisdiction. The Latin fascis became f *gotto in Italian, and came to English via French, and referred to a bundle of sticks used for fuel. The association with the slur came about due to people convicted of s0d0my being burned at the stake as punishment - therefore the kindling used to burn them became insulting metonymy.
@@serebii666 i don't know how latin got from fasces to facus that's the thing - the meaning connexion is absolutely there, but not the sound change regularity. Also, your burning at the stake explanation is seriously kooky for several reasons
I’m right wing because the left wing is where I’ve experienced the most homophobia, left wing circles will virtue signal support for example. Also a huge portion of the left wing is made up of people who support and advocate for Islam in the west, which is at total odds with my identity as a gay man… As a gay man, the only times I’ve ever been attacked for being queer was by Muslims or internalised homophobes. I understand this is just my personal experience but this is what has shaped my ideology, I’m not far right but I am certainly right wing, and it is because, while the right wing won’t advocate for me directly, I’ve never experienced hate from the right wing either. Also, my sexuality is just that, there are other issues that my sexuality shouldn’t determine my opinion on… my greatest concern is the Islamisation of my suburb in Australia, which is now 21% Muslim, it is an incredibly scary place I am trying to save money to move away from. It’s also a left wing area, funnily enough.
Gays have a lot of power, and they will be able to leverage it in different ways. They have a lot to offer the world. But I still don't like the Gay Pride Parade.
ok , i see this content is far left leaning ... yeah of course women and LGBT ppl have nothing to fear in the streets from some illegal migrants... it's fascinating your denial of reality in Europe ....
Illegal? If immigrants are illegal then the state already opposes their entry, so voting for a government that *also* opposes their entry makes no difference... Are you aware that the far right has committed more attacks and hate crimes than Islamic terrorists in Europe...?
this is ignoring the rampant homophobia going on in western muslim community spheres where they are increasingly more radicalized because of their cultural differences in regards to more welcoming western culture
No this is about western cultures, it's not ignoring it. She just doesn't live in that sphere, so she would most likely not like to speak on something she has no lived experience with.
@@bunnystrasse stats can be easily manipulated. But that wasn't even my point. My point was that she may not want interact with a culture that is not hers nor understands its intricacies. Many individuals that spout these stats fallacy are usually themselves extremely disingenuous to the cultures they are critiquing and painting a wide bigoted net towards a bunch of human beings they have never met and if they do they are so brainwashed by western media's portrayals of these individuals that they treat them with contempt and disdain.
Or maybe they see the evil regime supporting other evil regimes as evil and they don't want anything to do with it. It's like "look, the horrible bully that bombs children likes homosexuality!" We literally don't occupy a moral high ground.
Its a great eye-opening and mind-blowing video. Congrats. I think It should be played on schools. And a lot of people NEED TO see this video. Thank you Alice. Your work IS worth seeing and sharing.
this was a really great piece and I'm so glad you're talking about this. I think you're super articulate and clear and I love your videos. Seriously, it's not like the content you make videos about is necessarily widely talked about, which is why I really like your channel. What you're talking about is really important!! With that said, and knowing this is a specific tier of quality in terms of youtube videos and content, although I I think I understood what you were touching on, I would love to learn more about why you think some gay men can be drawn to far-right aesthetic. I know you mentioned gay men being drawn to uniforms and like military attire. And though I see that is a cultural phenomenon to some extent, I would really love to know more about why you think that is or what makes far right aesthetic particularly attractive to gay men? Or why gay men specifically? idk I guess I try to shy away from generalizations like that, so I would like to better understand!
As both a gay man and arab who grew up in a musIim household i can understand the appeal of far right but its like allying yourself with an enemy to destroy another enemy in common once theyre gone, you’ll target each other. Also gay and bi are NOT synonymous, a man living a double life isn’t gay he is fundamentally bi, yall wouldn’t believe a str8 man could force himself into marrying and being intimate with a man and lets not forget that testimonies and retelling are too often coming from straight people who are never trustworthy narrator for this subject. As a gay man i would NEVER trust any so called qu**r theorist as this branch is built on homophobic ideals that gay men have denounced since its inception. You also fully overlooked how gay men were one of the main target of nazsm and then germany itself once the nazs were defeated because nobody protect or cares for gay men (and gay kids) unless its to make a salacious story about how they lied to everyone and push the idea that they became gay rather than always amongst the many other straight (wo)man made tropes that accumulated with time. Having legal rights has sadly not led to a normalization, you really needed actual gay people to tell about these theories. Now you lost me when you said it happened so naturally cus now you are just ignoring a huge chunk of history and thats just crazy and disappointing. don’t call us qu**r and second of all a lot of gay men are recognizing that introducing (2nd wave) feminism is what is right now destroying the gay movement but they were focused on one framework because it was a matter of life or death and it still is thats why they weaponize our existence against migrants overlooking the fact that some of them might looking for the same freedom of being gay (or else..) gay people are not stupid we know we are being manipulated all around and we know we cannot trust anyone which is still unsettling. Also the emojis and sound are in such poor taste don’t cuteify homophobic slurs a simple bleep would have been enough and i know for a fact you wouldn’t have added a funny sound to a racial slur. Thats why gay people can’t trust anyone yall think we’re dumber than you when we had to gain awareness when you were still confused on how to properly pronounce words. The right to detachment is fair for oneself because you can feel the burden of the community and its fair for others to do as they please when its better for them rather than the bigger picture you’re attached to but it is irremediably unfair to a part of the community because its not helping future people like you so there’s no answer because it boils down to a personal free will but you can’t never solve homophobia with veneers or superficial solutions, the root is the target for longterm solutions. Gay men are at the bottom of the totem pole and are treated like that dehumanized to no end so its no surprise that some of them like in any other minority group they might get their get back. Okay but my parents were the first who moved there and were musIim so that argument is poor and myopic and treat it as if we’re all blanco français. I have creeped out by men and women but they’re both creeps to gay men and in my personal experience race was even but to overlook how culture and religion oppresses gay men is to spit at us wherther we grew up here or fundamentalist musIim countries. Your whole argumentation never goes above you or your pov and just ends up being a tirade of what you think and what you read without mentioning it. Its very I I I… Even your examples of what scares you is solely about you and never about the broader subject, tu brasses de l’air. Again you take that subject and turn into what a ww like me thinks and end up centering it around feminism. Thats why most people don’t trust ww’s pov even ww themselves, its always about yall and your desires and freedoms, whataboutmeism made a movement. Also sexual orientation isn’t something that should be moralized.
Also france has a lot of fascist undercurrents but france prefers resting on their laurels because doing one good thing eons ago is enough for a group of people you barely care for
Ha! Of source they are going to be LGBT friendly, why do you think corporations are such? There has always been, is, and will always be a percentage of queer people being born into a society and we VOTE!
The French far-right isn't like the far-right from other countries. We need to understand each of the different movements in their context. Confounding Le Pen with Milei or Trump helps no one.
The RN only gains ground because of it’s anti immigrant position not because it genuinely offers anything that’s why they’ve had to change so much from being Eurosceptic to neutral to trying to paper over their past antisemitism
@7:00 okay that is just blatantly not true.. No woman’s rights organisation condemned the 7th of october attacks and atrocities done to women specifically, until faced with public pressure. But every single day since the beginning of the war the only thing we hear is “women and children” the only protected group in a conflict apparently. And those women and children we talk about are always the Palestinians being killed - horrible and rightfully so we should talk about that. But no, your statement is absolutely disingenuous. And one group’s advocacy does not mean the lack of another’s rights.
Thank you for this video Alice. I’m also French and really scared by the results of the legislatives. The far-right has learned to disguise its misogyny and homophobia better but its beliefs haven’t changed. It’s crazy to me that many people think they aren’t a danger to democracy anymore.
Lol like the other option is better? Let your country drown in extreme religion and you won't have any rights left. If you ignore and demonize peoples worries about that religion, then this is the result you get. Europe apparently needs that to wake tf up.
I would argue that the homophobes and misogynists are the people hell bent on importing the most homophobic and misogynistic people on earth to Europe not the ones who want to stop that immigration flow
@@agathequenard49 they are a danger, but as a gay person I can only tell you that a good percentage of Muslim men are also a threat. As long as the left ignores Islamism, people will keep turning to the (far) right which is a catastrophe
Personally I think people on the left are too quick to associate groups with politics. Of course there are conservative queer, black and immigrant people because the group isn't everything that they are. There's all kinds of people with all kinds of ideas in every demographic
Political allegiance isn't a fixed identity, though. Your 'conservative gay people' existed before they voted conservative. How urgent someone perceives different problems to be is a matter of personal history and the information they receive, and those can be changed by policies, culture, media, and propaganda. Someone who believes migrants are a bigger threat to gay people than conservative natives in power will be more likely to vote conservative than someone who doesn't, regardless of their political priors.
Absolutely you’re right, but the vast majority of people do not vote against their own interests, which is why queer people are overwhelmingly left wing.
@@SarastistheSerpent The vast majority of people do vote against their own interests. That they would only vote for their interests is a neoliberal point of view. There are YIMBY lefties who vote to lose prosperity for some notion of the greater good, there are far-left radicals who would rather destroy things than let them distribute things unfairly, there are neoliberals who don't want to cheat at the game of capitalism by adding regulation even if they lose, there are conservatives voting away their own rights because they believe in a prescriptive moral framework, and there are far right people who would rather destroy things than see them shared with people they despise.
Being gay doesn't make you less racist or "woke" its only your sexuality nothing else
Gays set the standard for liberal and open minded values. it's a part of their culture, history and community. Genocidal muslims and their feelings dont trump the rights, safety and concern of gay people.
That's right. But, if you belong to the LGBTQ community, you're also a minority, period. I never understood why some minority groups promote hate against others. Whatever the case may be, it doesn't change the fact you're still a minority. But, I suppose, like in the US and Europe, being white to a lot of people is still the greatest form of currency.
I think if you have been oppressed or systematically disadvantaged before because of your identity, it might be easier for you to understand and sympathise with the plight of other systematically disadvantaged groups.
@@kimberlywalker3970but not every minority member has the same experience, some are lucky and as a result may not understand why some may want more rights, or maybe that identity isn't something they wanna explore it's just there so they don't identify with the rest of the group, or maybe hateful groups give them something that others can't, sometimes even outside of the minority identity
@@KawaiiStars I don't disagree with anything you've said. My point is that as long as racism, sexism and homophobia still exist, no one is safe. And some of these misguided gay men aren't safe either, at least for the long term, if they belong to the right.
It's the same in the US. We have something called Project 2025 offered up by the right leaning party headed by Trump. It goes after everyone, who isn't a white, straight Christian male. What people in America need to realize is that whatever party they belong to the Republicans are coming for everyone and no one is safe. Anyway, the election in the US goes far beyond tax policy and I hope enough people realize that. Hopefully, one day, if or when the Republican Party is sane, we can argue about tax policy. I'll be fine with that, but this fascism stuff is not good for anyone.
In Brazil we have an interesting phenomenon happening. Far right has some lgbt members, but they are also against their own civil rights. They use to say "i'm gay (or any minority), but I am an exemple, I understand marriage is only for men and women" and... yeah, it's depressing
God forbid someone has a different opinion eh?
I call these types of people Dolce and Gabanna Gays
You hear a few that are against their civil rights and that is enough for you to do confirmation bias, right? I'm far right who still fights for civil rights, but the left is not the best option for that anymore.
@zvezda4701I don't know if it's just me but I think another example of that would be the phrase "I have nothing against gay people", I have nothing against pineapple on pizza not a part of society.
@@shockerRO taking off rights from a specific groups and making propaganda to ppl see them as second-class citizens is not exactly just an opinion.
As Bell Hooks said, gender, race and class cannot be regarded separately. If one wants to solve the problem pertaining to one, the other two must also be considered and solved together!
That's a big lift.
But why…? I feel like they can intersect, but it’s not as though they inherently have anything to do with one another~ aside from one’s economic class being often a part of gender and race, since women were often expected to *not* be workers and to instead be *caretakers* which puts them in a certain economic situation, and racism often (but not always) putting people into certain economic positions or excluding them from certain occupations.
But… other than that, why is viewing women as equally intelligent to men, for example, necessary for the liberation of the working class? (Disclaimer: I think women are as intelligent as men, I’m just asking why this would somehow be prerequisite to socialism)
@@computergamescritical6917 good question. I'm assuming that if this mentioned example of the viewpoint of equal intelligence between the two sexes becomes mainstream, it will be easier for men and women of the working class to unite, I suppose?
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@@loop4569 I mean yeah~ I suppose it makes it easier for them to unite - but I don’t think that’s the same as it being necessary…
Honestly, I should just read what Bell Hooks said about it herself, but I like being told what it is by others
@@computergamescritical6917 ah but you see, the point of feminism is not to bring women to an equal status to men. This very equalization has a class element to it because when we are talking about equality among genders, we need to ask equal according to which class? Aren't bourgeois women already equal to bourgeois men, whereas, working class men are far less equal to bourgeois women, and isn't it even worse for working women who are far below bourgeois women and working men (let alone bourgeois men)?
The point of feminism is to abolish this very notion of superiority of men (more particularly, white men) above others.
I definitely recommend you to read "Feminist Theory from margin to centre". It's radically different from liberal feminism.
Two days ago my small town in Bavaria held its first Christopher-Street-Day. When I heard the local AfD (German far-right party) announced to show up I expected them to protest against the LGBT-event. I was surprised and confused when I learnt that they wanted to "add" themselves to the event. How times have changed
I would have been more surprised if far-left joined.
This is only surprising if you believe the media reports that they are far-right in the N*zi sense and not far-right in the liberal, pro-Israel, pro-capitalism sense.
@@Danipiz666why
I always believed that discrimination of vulnerable groups is the very core of far right politics. Usually it's women, foreigners, Jews, Romani, homeless, LGBTQ+ people, the disabled, poor people, whoever. It is always a core talking of fascists of playing one group against the other.
Even if I not were a trans women, but the cis white male I pretended to be earlier in my life, I always have and I always will, fight fascism and right wing extremism in all its forms. This ideology is simply anti human, even if they pretend to play nice.
The far-right entirely constructs its "self" in relation to an "other". They need to discriminate to keep surviving.
talks about playing groups against each other, fiercely categorizes everyone against straight white men.
You can't speak from the place of a straight cis white man because you were *always* trans, so that hypothetical is bunk.
@@MCSorry isn't that what YOU ALL started doing with you vs the conservatives? You started everything and now get surprised the right is copying you.
Exactly. It takes a basic understanding that others do not deserve to suffer just so you personally or whoever you value most, can have better conditions. That we should be building a world where you'd want a random shot at being born anywhere and of any way, and not have a favourite status to be born knowing you'll have privileges. (Like, maybe have a preference based on subjective, harmless things like healthy aspects of culture)
Basically, a heirarchy sucks for everyone except those close enough to the top to benefit.
Keep that idea at your core, and it seems pretty hard to consciously become right wing (though, no one is immune to propaganda, especially when the right is frequently low enough to just outright claim many things with zero evidence)
Then you have the far left in Spain reducing by 2-4 years the penalty of over 1000 rap-st because murderers and rap-st are considered victims in Spain when they have the right color. You criticize far right parties but the far left and their "every criminal is a victim of society, especially if they have black or brown skin color" is even worse.
always makes me laugh to see the far-right pretend to give a shit about us while i really know that, as a (french) trans woman in a lesbian relationship, one of the first thing they will do once in power will be to attack my rights as trans, as a lesbian and as a woman (probably in that order).
(i said it makes me laugh but in reality i'm not laughing anymore, and those last 3 weeks have been dreadful, i am starting a long grieving process as the life i was hopping for myself and my gf may be over. if meloni and orban are example of what is to come, i know that we may to have to say goodbye to the idea of having children together, and i'm not going to lie, it's killing me)
(sorry i didn't want to bring down the whole vibe of the room, it was a really cool video, as usual! :3)
Policies that benefit the majority vs policies that discriminate against the majority and ONLY benefit minorities. What a surprise even some of us lgbt+ can't support that nonsense. You call the far right discriminatory but, who were the one prohibiting parties that represent 25%+ of the population (aka. far right parties) in Canada, Germany and France? The AUTHORITARIAN LEFT. You don't discriminate against anyone and then cry because those people become stronger than you.
Europe is going down the drain...
lesbian relationship…? lol, you’re a feminine straight man.
To be fair, one of the reason they started pretending to accept gay people is to have an excuse to hurt trans people. Especially trans women (like the way Moutot and Stern are so loved in these spaces despite being "feminists").
I don't think they'd have cared to look better on that front as much as they did without the opportunity to hurt the minority within the minority (mostly trans people and Muslim people)
You shouldn't have children
Or they realized that migration and islam will give them a hard time if the migration keeps happening
Lmao migration and Islam are not the same thing not all immigrants are Muslim and plenty are lgbt nice try fascist
Lmao migration and Islam are not the same thing not all immigrants are Muslim and plenty are lgbt nice try fascist it saddens me that gay people who rather fight the boogie of immigrants rather than the real threat of facism
It's already happening.
So it was okay when they colonized and oppressed Muslims for centuries. And now migrations and Islam are threatening? Bruh
I guess the political right always likes to build "natural" hierarchies that are acceptable to a majority group then narrows the amount of people allowed when there's nobody left to be the minority.
It's cool for the guys that are low in the hierarchy as long as there are people that are even lower. Because how could it be that all the good guys that have reached an advantageous position in the hierarchy are wrong about their merit, right?
I don't necessarily think that hierarchy has nothing to do with human nature but that it is only one dominant way for people to create orientation and a sense of security (which I deem to be real natural needs).
Being anti gay is a conservative stance, while people are typically considered far right if they're a nationalist. Nationalists are usually also conservative, but that doesn't necessarily have to be the case. These days only the most conservative people are anti gay, so it's mainly religious people now. Other people will still make fun of gays, but they're not principally opposed to it. Here in the Netherlands, nationallism seems to be a mostly secular phenomenal, so it would be odd not to accept gays. Transgenders are the hot issue of the day that devide left and right.
Conservatism without religion makes no sense and will quickly collapse from the lack of objective morals.
Pim Fortuyn was gay, and I think he was one of the first proponents of homonationalism with success at the electoral level precisely because he could play that card, i.e. "my rights are being curtailed by multiculturalism and Islam, and that also affects you."
In a way, it was Dutch society's openness to both gay rights and immigration that allowed for someone like him to become popular as a nationalist gay politician; I believe most gay politicians in other countries who join the far right hope the same would happen to them, i.e. that their specific, accepted and sanitized version of nationalist homosexuality becomes accepted and the norm, which is just sad 😅
I still think The Netherlands are special in the sense that the PVV's support for gay rights is more genuine than these efforts by the RN to become more palatable to the average person, because you can tell it's not organic, the original movement didn't include gay people in the nationalist group of protected insiders.
Not sure what's worse, a party that genuinely accepts gay people and uses them to justify oppressing others, or another that even more blatantly uses queer people as rhetorical tools to justify the prosecution of others :/
The worst of all is a party that pretends to accept gay people when they think it's edgy and then sells us out to people throwing us from rooftops as soon as that becomes the edgy thing to do.
Well despite their efforts to seem genuine the pvv got quite exposed with their voting record with regards to outright pro lgbt legislation these past few years where only they and a few other parties voted against showing that the main part of their pro lgbt stance is just a facade to legitimize their hate against non western immigrants, particularly refugees and specifically muslims in general despite the fact that most anti lgbt hate crimes are not committed by them but other groups
Plenty of European right wing parties are genuine in their support of LGBTQ rights and nobody uses these people to oppress other people simply don't want the most homophobic and misogynistic people on earth to be let into the country which is more then reasonable
I think homonationalism is a deeply flawed and rather homophobic concept and it‘s simply naive to assume that there isn’t a huge problem with homophobia and misogyny in non-secular Muslim communities (similar to the far right of course).
@@melancho96 How different is it from extremism in other religions? Is it more appropriate than Christian or Jewish or Hindu homophobia? Should we treat all Muslims the same, even when they try to integrate into the societies they're in?
Oh you sweet Summer child...
I am barely older than you but as the gay son of parents who fled Lebanon on a dinghy when I was a baby. I assure you that a lot of the things that you dismiss as "not due to [people] or [ideology] are very much caused by those, more than by any other factor.
the sad thing is that when people are confronted with facts that contradict their political views.... the politcal view will win most of the time. That is just how the human brain works according to recent studies.
I have to say that you saying that "they" only use one framework of analysis is how I've been feeling about all the intersectional politics. (That only framework being oppression)
What does far right even mean to Europeans? I’m Argentinian and we only use that term to call literal extremist with outlandish conservative ideas. I feel like Europeans use the term way more loosely to call anyone who doesn’t endorse refugees or is against children transitioning. Since Milei won the election with over 13 million votes, International media started calling him the far right president/politician/leader. And we have never called him like that locally lol, he is simply “regular” right, and not even conservative, just pro free market. In Argentina the left is protectionist and nationalistic, while the right is pro competition, anti-monopolies, pro global integration and trade agreements, and in general is in favor of individual freedoms.
I mean considering the current politics it makes more sense now
The 12 year old girl who was gang _____ for being a ___ was one of the 79% who knew her attackers.
well said
All Muslim men
Why is it always 'far right'? You never mention the 'far left'?
the video is literally about the far right
@@azoo6269 My point is it's never the 'right' , just as it's never the 'far left'.
Did you skip comprehension class?
Because she IS a part of the far left, so much so that she's become subservient to the ideology of Islam, over the minorities the left used to fight for.
That's absolutely hilarious video. Thanks a lot! (In a good way, not sarcastically). I just can't stop laughing. We live in the Onion article.
Since it's based in France, our equivalent would be Le Gorafi u.u
Homonationalism hurts queer poc the most
On the one hand a broad part of society in your original country hate or dislike your queerness
On the other hand when you go live in another place, politicians and people who pretend to be queer friendly still don't want you there because you're from x country
It's both ridiculous and extremely hurtful
you have an option which is to go back to your country and hide you're gay. but you won't do that huh?
i already predict ages ago that the lgbtq community can be just as racist as any other community like nationalist community also its often forgot by the lgbtq community that other races also matters like asian people black or north africans and tribal people from middle east as well stupidly lgbtq community completely out caste those other races that didnt fit with they gender ideology because people from other ethnic groups have different ideology and tradition
17:32 "Now does that make me want to limit the freedoms of heterosexual men...? No! I do not want that!"
But... you do want that. Every feminist, to some extent, wants that.
A few years ago, up until the early 90s, marital rape was legal in many countries, including France and the US. Before, it was allowed for a man to rape his wife, after, it wasn't, That's a right that was taken from them. That's also a good thing as far as I'm concerned, and most feminists would agree.
More recently, the law on age of consent in France was clarified so that the official age of consent became 15 (before, there was some ambiguity). In Spain, in went from 13 to 16.
In France once again, the Swedish model of prostitution was adopted. Suddenly, clients were penalized for paying for sex, before they weren't. Laws were also adopted that criminalized producing or distributing art featuring sexualized depiction of children.
Those are all laws that were all passed with the full support of feminists and their encouragement. They limited the rights of people (not just men), because feminists thought that it would overall create a safer society for women.
What makes that any different from what the "far-right" is doing? They also want to pass laws that will restrict the freedoms of some people in order to make society overall safer, by limiting immigration and policing crime more strictly.
As someone who quite connected to the video as a whole, your comparison about women who support Israel is simply disconnected from reality. The international women's organizations blatantly turned their backs on the Israeli women who underwent systematic and shocking acts of rape by the terrorists of Hamas, which they documented and uploaded to social media. They were instructed to rape, and there is countless evidence of this. The UN Women's Organization took two months (!) to condemn those acts. I am also from the left, and I also demand from the right a more complex view of the world, but I also demand it from my friends on the left.
Not this shit again. The Intercept debunked this crap months ago. Blatant dehumanizaing propaganda on behalf of the apartheid state and its Western bankrollers.
She doesn't care. It served her narrative to say everyone supported them when 99% of people left them out to dry.
You forgot Lucien Daudet who was the brother of Léon Daudet (co-director of "L’Action Française" with Maurras) and one of Marcel Proust’s lovers.
Just move to Iran, you will find out realy quick how accepted you will be compared to Europe
What does the Israeli rainbow flag has to do with it?😂😂 I hope youre not suggesting support for Israel as "far right" cause that would be ridiculous
2:07 The AUTHORITARIAN RIGHT has taken away minority rights. But the LIBERTARIAN RIGHT however has always been opposed to the security state.
Always has been
Leftists are the homophobes lol. Becoming more progressive as days go on. Worsening and worsening. Telling “trans women” (males) can be lesbians. 😂
@@robotmerger It's funny because you affirm the existence of trans people when you mention them. They are obviously aware of their anatomy, and maybe one day you'll understand that too. Thank you!!!
... Mmyeah, I'm sure Röhm, as well all the LGBT people murdered by the Nazis during the Holocaust, agree.
Whats considered "right" or "left" is slowly changing. This is especially apparent if you have been alive for a while already. There are countless examples, high ranking party officials being openly gay is just one of them.
I love the idea of the far right being "lgbt friendly" immediately on the 1st of July
because pride month is over
@aegix1557 Perhaps, because it de-legitimizes using love for hateful purposes?
@ville__ izan ffo kcuf (ooh, this is fun)
@@randalalansmith9883 this troll is all over TH-cam, I see them on all kinds of different channels just riling people up. Best to not engage
They'll be LGBT friendly on April 1st and that will be the only day.
here in germany we have a lesbian rightwinger at the top of the afd party
Man denke nur an Röhm, der als Kopf der SA von Hitler ermordet wurde und seine Sexualität als Grund dafür angeführt wurde um den eigentlichen Grund zu vertuschen, also: machtkampf und quasi die zentralisierung der Macht in einer Hand. Erst tolerieren sie dich und dann ermorden sie dich. Alice Weidel wird sicherlich unter Bernd äh Björnse höcke auch ein Böses erwachen haben :‘)
she's definitely not queer, tho.
@@spiderelc i didnt even said that
@@lordtraxroy oh I'm sorry I thought that meme was more popular, my bad. She herself said that in an interview on national television once: "I'm not queer, rather married to a woman whom I've known for 20 years". I was trying to make a joke about how the far right ties itself into knots trying to appeal to queer people without alienating their fascist base, like what Alice talks about here. It's why your example is so perfect and funny, right? A woman married to another woman with and immigration background no less, leading a fascist, arguably neo nazi and openly homophobic party in germany. It ticks all the boxes, it feels like you'd made that up if you tell it to someone, right? It's cartoon-ish.
Whatever queer means
It's actually pretty insane the amount of drugs, sex, and general """degeneracy""" (as they'd call it) that far-right hardcores have engaged in historically. It just goes to show it's loyalty to the cult of personality that matters to them, not (ironically) loyalty to any particular cause or moral center.
I think the morality they preach but not practice is just the facade. But they do have actual loyalties: to hierarchical and patriarchal society
@@Dsonsee agree. Whether we are talking about cultural or economic right-wing, both are ultimately centered around creating a hierarchical society where supremacy is absolute whether bequeathed through economics or title.
The real reason why the right is supporting gay people now is because most right-wing movements are bought and paid for by Zionists. Muslims are conservative, so they have to do this strange dance where they have to condemn natural allies (Muslim traditionalists) because they want money. Money will always erode ideological commitments. You even get fake Christians like Jordan Peterson and Ayaan Hirsi Ali and gays like Douglas Murray
@@shionyr
God, you Far Left people love preaching nonsense. Would it kill you to engage in reality?
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I know it's incredibly cliché, but the last section about the far right not protecting gays anymore after they got to power immediately caused Röhm to come to mind...
Same
But Hitler kept all of Röhm's socialist policies, Rhöm socialism wasn't explicitly supportive of the LGBT+ people because their fight wasn't about minorities, but about creating a socialist society where the government had power over the private, exactly as Hitler's regime. Hitler killing Röhm and keeping the socialist ideology doesn't support your argument as you might think, it only says Hitler killed a rival and kept everything else the same.
Point 13 of his "25 POINTS PLAN" was about NATIONALIZATION of all trusts, point 15 about COMMUNALIZATION of the great warehouses, point 17 free EXPROPRIATION of land for the purposes of PUBLIC utility, 24 about how the recovery can only succeed from the idea "THE COMMON INTEREST OVER INDIVIDUAL INTEREST" and point 25 about the formation of a STRONG CENTRAL POWER with UNLIMITED AUTHORITY of the Central Parliament.
Tell me how these 13, 14, 17, 24 and 25 points aren't socialist.
They were supported by the NATIONALIZED INDUSTRIES taken from their target enemy that they later massacred and after the expropriation those industries were ofc going to support them.
@@azzv.kuskatan Hilter and the Nazis were not in anyway socialist. Private ownership of the means of production thrived under the Nazis. They were capitalists, thieves and murders.
Lol. There was nothing resembling socialism in their policy. It was a pretty brutal capitalism with N**i party leaders being on the top and pretending they govern a state.
It was extremely different than what USSR had. You know, actual socialist country at the time @@azzv.kuskatan
@@azzv.kuskatancalling nazi Germany socialist while communists and socialists were the first ones put in the camps is wild. Especially given how the biggest industrialists helped build up and fund the nazis in response to a growing socialist movement to stop it and protect their private property rights.
My country (Poland) on the other hand, either openly dehumanizes LGBT ppl or is "just hating the sin, not the sinner" and does not even want to vote for civil partnership rights, as it would be against the idea of marriage. Especially far-right.
god bless poland
I think it's getting slightly better, now. nothing big, but more left wing voices are being let into the mainstream.
this shit takes time, that we unfortunately dont have.
It's not the mainstream issue it was in the presidential election. Like abortion, hating against it only mobilised society and helped generate discussion that broadened people's minds to it. I'm certainly not aware of the far-right having gay figures in it, but maybe we're in the 80s equivalent of Western politics in that regard. Gay marriage is a long way away unfortunately but forcing it too early just creates too much backlash imo, slow and steady wins the race.
At least you don't ban just promiting LGBT/MAP stuff positevely or neutrally
@@passiveaggresivesquirrel2052It’s not getting better, like at all. I had no hopes when KO won the elections and I got proven right. Nothing changed, nothing will change
LGBTQ+ people in France really got a short memory. Less than 10 years ago, the right and the far right rallied violently against gay marriage, even went as far as comparing homosexuality to bestiality, rape and pedophilia. Homophobic slurs and hatred were demonstrated on a daily basis. Even some conservative gay people were encouraging such discourse.
I remember that time. I was 13 and struggling with my own sexuality. Violence and bullying against LGBTQ people was a given, no matter the age, and it was not because of some religious or ethnic minorities, but because of an unrestrained conservative majority.
I will never understand anyone who went through such times and now thinks that these people are our friends. They have not changed and they do not deserve any forgiveness for all the harm they showed themselves capable of committing against us.
As someone who experienced that recently (I'm greek) i agree with everything you say. It's voting for the leopards eating faces party, as that one twitter user put it. They attack others' rights now, they'll turn to you next. Parties that rely on manifacturing an enemy of society and survive via this demonizing and fear mongering, are never safe for gay people. It'll only take a shift in public attitude for them to lead the charge against us once again. We see that happening in the USA right now.
dude wtf
@@forestmanification since when homosexuality is sexual activity of the "wrong" sex? How can you define "wrong" sex? Having sex with opposite gender is "right" according to you? So if a trans man have sex with a woman. Does it consider heterosexual because the people having sex are in opposite gender?
I feel like this is some kind of false equivalency you pull out of your ass with no basis of logic or whatsoever.
We don't need forgiveness.
‘He was assassinated by a left wing activist’ was not a plot twist i saw coming. Damn.😮
horseshoe theory
He didn’t kill Pim Fortuyn because of migrants. It was because of fear of havoc for the environment, so to speak.
The perpetrator is a real fanatic environment activist. Had years with 300 trials for farmers and animals against road and high speed rail lines and such.
The event was suspicious. It was KGB style: 2 to the head, neck and heart. It happened in the media park and even famous people talked about snipers on roofs.
Runouts are that the royal house didn’t like the idea of an open gay leading the country but… right in the days after the event contracts were signed regarding the JSF (f-35). Pim Fortuyn was blocking it because he was against Dutch participation in the project.
The assassin (Volkert van de Graaf) was deep into environmentalist leftist circles (and happens to be an older alumnus of the Environmental Science university programme I was also enrolled in, not sure how to feel about that). Sadly these are not the only murders to have been commited by left wing activists (RAF in Germany, for example), and I guess these violent outbursts are in a way not even that related to political orientation but moreso to radical extremism? Though I believe far-right extremism as a school of thought produces the conditions and justifications for violent outbursts a bit more easily.
Some scholars here in The Netherlands argue that the assassination of Pim Fortuyn is the moment that set off The Netherlands' decline into far-right politics, which manifests itself now with WIlders' PVV being the biggest political party. But I don't know! Seeing the far-right growing all over Europe makes me believe that that would have happened regardless. But the murder of Fortuyn has definitely made the left an easier scapegoat in the Dutch political landscape.
@@RickRobben-z3r huh, that’s really annoying. This is why I sometimes position myself as an anti-war pacifist. I thought it was basic sense to have a Batman doesn’t kill type of logic. I’ve found a centrist worrying that being a pacifist is too childish & it would be more grown up not to be one but I disagree, I think this world just needs peace & peace is a difficult but worthwhile place to get to. That said there’s a really good episode of the clone wars where the Jedi defend some pacifists from the Separatists but really they only kill the droid army who are attacking them so the Jedi are still sometimes pacifist unless they’re like Mace Windu.
@@JoseJBronze This is pretty much bullshit btw. Yes, Volkert was a fanatic environmental activist. No, it was not just because of fear for environmental degradation. Volkert himself stated that " he killed Fortuyn to stop him from exploiting Muslims as "scapegoats" and targeting "the vulnerable sections of society" in seeking political power.". A quick wikipedia search on the topic will get you that far.
All this JDF and KGB stuff is conspirical bullshit without concrete journalistically sound evidence.
My country shares a border with Syria and after the civil war a lot of Syrians immigrated to my country. Two days ago there were news about a child being mol3sted by a Syrian man and all the people started to vandalize syrian people’s homes and workplaces and to calm them down the police announced that the child victim was also Syrian and quickly this vandalism in the name of protecting the victim turned into an anti-immigrant lynchings and even more violence. And like these people did not care about the victim at all, it is so common for women and children being in those situations and government does nothing and people don’t care but as soon as the immigrants are in the picture people start raiding their homes and show their fascist faces. The police that enjoys beating women, gay people and workers do nothing to stop this madness. And people who participate in this don’t even think they’re racists or fascists. It’s hell going on here.
lebanese
@@alexdoesstuff5260no it is turkey
The issue with journalism is it excludes tbh. The news picks someone they can beat down on and only shares their wrong doings. If one group does one bad thing while another does hundreds of bad things it’s really the media’s choice on who you dislike more
It must be incredibly hard being a not right wing self-aware Turk
@@sarahs.thorpe857 it’s extra hard being a woman + lesbian bc just the other day the government called the lgbtq community and illegal organization 😭 and it’s so funny that they’re being so nationalist/racist bc turkey is a multicultural country and Armenian, Kurdish, Arab and Greek people have lived in these lands with Turks for centuries like you can’t separate us by race or anything they’re just being stupid
Also the National Rally is interesting considering how openly opportunistic it is. It doesn’t care about having coherent ideas or about committing to past promises, and can change stance with a poll. That’s how they went from very Euro-sceptic to EU-neutral for instance. So they understood being homophobic isn’t a good strategy in modern France, so they aren’t (officially) anymore. But as long as there is a racist vote, a transphobic vote, they’ll continue to be.
@user-oi6pr2pf4x
You love using big buzzwords without actually saying anything.
@user-oi6pr2pf4x
Yes you do as I pointed out. Try and keep up.
@user-oi6pr2pf4x
No it isn't; well done on exposing your stupidity. Yeah, I reported your pseudo-intellectual waffle because it scared me 😂😂😂 You obviously don't know how YT works.
In India we have the same thing . There are gays who are very right wing and they openly bash pride parades and other queer especially trans considering trans people have more history in india compared to gay people. We call them sanghays
"Sanghays" iska matlab? But you are right in my experience they will bash and openly deny gay rights, like in the past year the issue of marriage. But when pointed out, our culture has supported this and that. Look how progressive we are....
we can’t really group gay and trans people together. One of them is a sexual orientation and the other is a transformation of your gender.
@@subritikarmakar7897He is combining the words sanghis & gays, one means a member of a volunteer organisation focused on nationalism & discipline, and other means someone who is sexually attracted to same sex as themselves. So ultimately he is saying that most homosexuals in India are selfless & disciplined.
Surprised to see an Indian here. Her channel is very niche it's an acquired taste dare I say.
Coming to your point, I agree with Ravish Kumar (former NDTV primetime anchor) that for the past 10 year people have been given a steady dose of right wings politics so today you have gays who openly advocate for Indian right wing.
At some point it will become like the reification of caste in our society.
@@DataCrusade1999 Somehow I got a notification for your comment even though my own comment above you is not visible to me.
The issue here is that the left has a blind spot when it comes to criticizing Islamic homophobia, but has no qualms with criticizing Christian homophobia and rightly so. There is a real ‘far right’ ideology dominating many Muslim communities in the West, rejecting women’s and gay rights. Intersectionality does not always work. Many Muslims which are themselves victims of discrimination also turn around and discriminate against gay people. Gay rights and Islamophobia are not a ‘common struggle’ by any means. In fact, the accusation of Islamophobia is often used to silence any and all critique of the homophobic and sexist ideologies inherent in Islamic doctrines. The European ‘far right’ is correct in this regard, though I’m sure their support for gay people is more opportunistic than genuine.
@@RationalistMH thank you for summing the issue up perfectly. I couldn’t have put it any better. So tired of people turning a blind eye to Islamic homohobia and misogyny
Lol it's not as simple as blaming a whole religion for homophobia. For one, the global south rightly identify how lgbt is packaged with neoliberalism, something that is foreign, another "advice" from the west.
@@anarchosyndicalistholy shit, neoliberalism forced people to write Mein Kam.. sorry, the Quran?
Thank you so much
It's so exhausting, I want to believe that it will get better but the state of media and politics in France is so appalling. Courage à toustes
Yeah at this point I only follow independent medias because it just makes me sad (luckily there are still some good stuff on public TV but it's just.... So far in between each other and mostly stuff that's not linked to the news)
Please develop !
What's the state of politics 😢and media in France right now ?
Very eager to read your arguments
@@TheStanley1000 Overwhelming bias against left-wing movements in media through slandering and lies, the constant contempt from liberals and macronists towards the working class, the disaffected rural population and youth flirting with neo-fascists and actual former vichy collaborators .. Is this not bad enough ? I could go on and on. I'm not here to "argue", that's just an observation.
@@TheStanley1000 I'm not wasting my time "arguing" with you mon ami, je pense que c'est assez flagrant
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Je m'attendais à un argument de taille de ta part, quelle tristesse 😢
Les médias font leurs travails, souviens toi avec Mélanchon et ses propos bien complotistes comme quoi l'état mettrait en place des attentats sous faux drapeau 🚩 pour sois disant blâmer les musulmans et faire monter l'extrême droite, et comme par hasard, le lendemain, le comité LFI nous sommes une affaire d'un droitardé TH-camur pour camoufler ses délires conspi, et là, les médias ont fait le boulot 🤗
Melanchon a la même dialectique que Soral, l'antisémitisme avec l'antisionnisme et le complotisme en se prenant pour un Dissident. Laisse moi rire 😂
Interesting question, Alice. Here in the US we're starting to see it a little bit too with a lot of even vocal anti-LGBTQ folks suddenly being discovered engaging in secret same sex activities. Definitely something to the self hatred angle, as well as "make friends with the wolf and maybe he'll eat you last" bit. Interesting thoughts on the far right aesthetic, hadn't considered that. Good video as always, hope you're feeling better! Good luck in the elections!
FWIW, "anti-LGBTQ folks" have been "suddenly being discovered engaging in secret same sex activities" here for at least decades lol. But its been an uptick for sure.
Who are these folks? 😂
@@pendragon2012 your comment is as clichéd as Alice‘s obnoxious & homohobic aesthetic argument :/
It's not really new, anti gay evangelical preachers and politicians being caught doing gay things is a tale as old as time.
Madison Cawthorn comes to mind
We had Log Cabin Republicans in the US. They were LGBTQ+ Republicans who supported Bush and the wars. They were homosexuals who valued their class identity over their sexual identity. In America, money compensates for any injustice. I've heard similar attitudes from minorities living in Europe. Yes, they may face more interpersonal discrimination, but the welfare state is very generous in comparison to the US or their homeland. As long as society cares for my needs or makes me rich (gay conservatives), they can hate me all they want. It's a very material view of politics and potentially shortsighted. The right will eventually purge itself of convenient allies once it secures power.
Lindsey Graham is still in office
Neoconservativism is the result of Zionist capture of the GOP. Magnus Hirschfeld, Sigmund Freud, Judith Butler, and Shulamith Firestone all contributed to LGBT and feminist theory. They would probably support Israel over Palestine because their ethnic narcissism supersedes their ideological commitments to support minorities.
Peter Thiel is a good example of this
Interesting! I feel like the radical right is lg friendly as long as classic gender stereotypes are reproduced: there is still a lot of hate for nonbinary, trans or drag folks.
In Germany one of the top AFD politicians Alice weidel is lesbian, but not queer (her own words).
Honestly, it kind of explains some of the exhausting infighting and respectability politics we have to deal with.
Anyone can decide for themselves how to present and what feels right to be clear. But those people who decide to blame queerphobia on those of us who don't and can't fit the traditional gay image well enough, and then get us branded at "yelling at our own kind!" By onlookers.
A trad family of whatever gender and orientation is just fine to enjoy themselves, it's the moralising and shaming of other harmless people and structures that crosses the line, and they keep hiding behind being the token "normal gay" for their party.
The word queer is quite powerful too specifically because they don't claim it. It's kind of the defining line between just an orientation and a challenge to a system. Being queer means being incompatible with the notions of shame, and enforcement of being conservative. Queer as a word literally has origins to mean strange, then offensive to old fashioned political, amatonormative standards. The gays who aren't being "normal and conservative" are in fact queer. The ones who do conform, are free to disassociate from us.
Yes but in the end it turns against them (gays) too because in fact they are not respecting the traditional gender stereotype of being straight.
Exactly ! It's very obvious when you realize that the openly lgbtq+ RN members are GAYS. No lesbians whatsoever. Because we know that lesbianism does challenge the patriarchy and gender roles in its very existence and gender expression. (see Monique Wittig) You can be gay as long as you don't express it and don't refer to it as an identity, (and mostly this exist in higher social classes)
I don‘t support Alice Weidel at all but I‘m also gay and not queer, simply because the latter has become a neoliberal umbrella term for straight people begging to be oppressed. I‘m homosexual and I‘m on the left.
@@melancho96 The only straight people that are coming under the queer umbrella are trans straight people. Who else?
As a gay man who lives in Indonesia (a muslim majority country), seeing homophobia in this country, i'm glad that many europeans or in the west start pointing out the homophobia in islam!!!
I hope you can live your country soon and go somewhere where you are accepted. ❤️
Sadly homophobia has nothing to do with islam. There is plenty of it in christian and buddist nations as well. No comfort for you of course, just saying.
That’s why these gays are voting for "for right" parties, because they realise that the great replacement is happening. Islamisation of Europe is far greater danger to their safety than any Conservative Party in their countries.
Ertymexx Don’t open your mouth if you don’t know shit . Defending a pedophilic homophobic cabal .Way to go
@@ertymexx if there is homophobia in Christian countries, this does not mean that Islam is not homophobic, what kind of logic is that? it just shows that both Islam and Christianity are homophobic. I live in Kyrgyzstan where there are many Muslims and as a gay guy I cannot express my feelings in any way
Just look at what happened to jewish members of the National Fascist Party in Italy during the 1930s.
They clung on to the party, after all they were the “Good Ones”. This, until Dachau or down in dark muddy ditches where they were shot by their former bretheren.
I'm french from a small village too and know a lot of people who turned to the far right.. it's really sad yo see that basically 50% of people here voted for the far right.
Is it that popular in rural regions?
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It's a good thing. They want to protect French culture and they want to protect LGBT from gay-hating immigrants.
That's an honest opinion. 🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️
@@erinkatrina4201Extremely. They capitalized on the issues than run deep for rural France: lack of funding, lack of recognition, abandonment of the government.... They're pitting them against urban population mainly through the use of xenophobia and racism.
In France, is there a difference between the "far" right and just the right?
Does the mainstream right like gay people and other races or something? Maybe the "right" just thinks they should tax imports of sardines differently than the "left"?
Two videos in just 12 days Alice is spoiling us rotten
I only see one. o.0
The current French political climate is turning us all crazy, talking about it keeps the demons at bay
After seeing Biden's performance, my anxiety around the future as a transfem in the US is pretty intense right now. I've come across this irl with some trans girls that think because they pass on some level they'll be safe and if they see anyone get harassed they'll keep their head down and say "that's their problem". That is that fallacy that aligning or not making waves will keep you safe from people that don't want you to be safe. Still, I'm terrified in a pretty deep way rn. Not stoked that France is also swinging far right. This is really annoying to put it lightly.
I think part of the issue is, unironically, Caitlyn Jenner. She has gone right off the deep end in terms of her deeply transphobic views, despite being a trans woman herself. It's incredibly hard to fathom how she can really believe those views.
But therein kinda lies the prototype for this sort of thing, that goes beyond not just her or even Blair White, but more this general sense that if trans people are normalised, then that'll be good - and if that means throwing some other trans people under the bus, then so be it.
I pass to the people who are around me, and yet I know the very danger that exists from the anti-trans right, not just to remove healthcare, but crack down on DIYing, to make using the toilets that align with your gender illegal, to make even mentioning that trans people exist in schools illegal.
For me, as much as I live my everyday life not wanting to have to be misgendered or asked inappropriate questions, I see myself as wanting to live my fullest life, and ensuring that everyone else gets to do so too.
Don’t worry, things are looking better now that project 2025 is coming into the mainstream eye
@@vaska00762 Hi, I know it's been a moment since this video went live, but I had a question. I know that the anti-trans right in the US had been planning on banning trans healthcare, but I didn't know that they were going to attempt to crack down on DIYing too. Do you know how they would go about it?
@@reksee7338 The simplest way would be at the border, seizing anything that arrives by mail or courier. Already, border control authorities in much of the world (including the US) is already on the look out for illicit drugs and anything that would be of concern. It wouldn't take too much doing to add hormones to that list - Indeed Testosterone is, in many jurisdictions, already a restricted medication (due to doping concerns).
Beyond that, laws could be enacted, which already do exist in some countries, to make possession of prescription medications, without a prescription, a criminal offence. While it's something that would be difficult to enforce, if the authorities are already tasked with looking into anything who is known to be trans, that could lead to a potentially swift and targeted crack down.
it's disgusting how *Some* gays got their rights and were like "weelll we're done, screw the rest of marginalized identities"
Privilege is one hell of a drug.
And by doing so, they open the space for homophobes to gain power again
They probably thought people supported them out of conviction and empathy, not to collect some kind of debt later.
You see similar people in marginalized groups. Women who hate minorities and LGBT people. Black misogynist who hate other ethnic groups. Most groups in general hate each other, they just team up against who ever is on top.
what rights don't TQIA+ people have that the SLGBs have?
They make great secondary scapegoats if the primary scapegoat falls through. Dangerous harmful people like fascists are friends with no one.
The same is happening in Canada. The soon-to-be next far-right Prime Minister has become gay-friendly.
pretty sure he is just corporate right, not far right. Not everyone right of Mao is far right
🇨🇦 My guess; Canada’s leftist hive mind or P2 wants votes.
At this point Poilièvre will just say/write whatever gets him in power. He doesn't care about anyone.
@@Hanakowasright Pretty sure Poilievre is far right. Are you even Canadian?
@@kebilfree he's most definitely Christian Right.
Your Dutch pronounciation of Geert Wilders and Pim Fortuyn were pretty spot on.
Pim Fortuyn was a very openly gay man, might'v been interesting to mention that as well.
Pim Fortuyn was also openly gay himself, so for him I guess the anti-homophobia wasn't only instrumental.
I would be extremely cautious to say this, and especially to say it’s “universal”. In Italy the far right is in power and it has certainly not adopted a pro-lgbt stance. If anything homophobia and intolerance towards lgbt people is becoming more accepted in the political discourse of western countries in the past years, even those that used to be ahead of others in this area such as the usa.
That being said, and I wanna make sure to say that the far right is NOT the lgbt’s ally at all, we do need to urgently start discussing the fact that many people who come from certain cultural backgrounds have worrying levels of homophobia and hatred that need to be addressed (and this is a fact that we can see in statistics) and we can’t dismiss them simply because “they are minorities!!!!!”. Being a minority shouldn’t mean that you are exempted from respecting the human rights of groups that are accepted in the country where you live. To ignore this just because we are talking about minorities seems very illogical to me, other than contradictory
Here in greece, it was the center right ruling party that brought the gay marriage and adoption law, after years of opposing all pro lgbt legislation. And despite the ruling party having an absolute majority (i mean that, if every one of its representatives votes for something, it can pass, even if everyone else is against it) in this case some of its representatives voted in favor, some down voted, and some didn't show up at all. The law passed with good majority only due to the votes and support by left wing parties (not the communist one). And after that, the right wing (ultra religious, anti lgbt, anti "woke" agenda etc) did very good in the european elections, and they (the ruling party) didn't do as good, so they blamed their failure on gay marriage and promised to not do anything else for gay people.
Point is, far right here is definitely not pro lgbtq, and the center right is somewhat for lgbtq but it also tries to pander to it's right wing voters and representatives. Also, for any other law they wanted to pass, they did so as quickly as possible. Gay marriage, they let the subject drug for months, with all the hatred that was unleashed in public discourse in the meantime. Ruling party also passed a law that "bans" conversion therapy, except if it's done with an adult's consent, and only for professionals (meaning religious institutions can do it and advertise it freely). I guess time will show if they'll lean on their pro or anti lgbtq side. And also if they'll lean more center or more to the right.
And one more thing: about islam, you're absolutely correct. The left is unwilling to adress it, the right adresses it but also hates gay people and muslims as a whole. The rights policies might also make the matters worse, by alienating muslim populations and make them lean more heavily on their hateful religion/culture, thus becoming more extremist. There needs to be a middle ground for this.
And i just checked, the only two absentees from the "new left" party (during the gay marriage voting) happen to be the only muslims... they weren't vocal, unlike the Christians, but i also didn't see anyone pointing to their absence and critisising it.
The Great Replacement theory was written by a french gay man.
And proven by facts
Bait used to be more believable
@Ronkyort0dox Lmao! How delusional are you?
And he was right
@@Victorvondoom9159 It was, is, and always will be a delusional racist conspiracy theory.
Sorry if this comes out as insistent, but I'm so scared after the results of the legislative elections in France. I'm GenZ like you and so many of my young counterparts don't vote because they're jaded about the system. But we need people to vote or else shit like this will keep happening...
Plz, Alice, I'd love for you to make a video about what's going on in our country and in which you'd encourage people to vote left. You have a voice and a platform so you can change a lot, je vous en prie Alice, notre patrie dépend de nous tous!
As a LGBT+ I care more about my safety compared to my privileges as of now. I’ve kinda been on the conservative side but came out years ago but even then I rather do it in secret then get raped or assaulted for a link up
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How is the Islamic approach on homossexuality and women rights in general?
i think why gay and women see 'far" right as better option then left or right is becouse left or right been in power did everyhting yet stuff wen't south real fast so people turn to something new and say: hey maybe this will wokr. and its normal reaction people want to feel safe if option 1 option 2 didin't work option 3 may work. Plus i don't think its so suprising that gay or women or even the legal migrants join "far"right we do not generalize people the right is as diverse in views as the left . right left etc is political stuff it has no effect on your life same as gender or sexuality as long as u know how to behave or don't make it your enter personality
The right shows its true self it doesn’t need generalizations
The issue with the far-right is their propensity for security-based hedonism and their inability for subtlety and moderation when discussing Islam. It's need to other entire groups. The issue on the left is their inability to be honest about it. Islam IS a threat to lgbt rights. Most religions were (and to an extent still are) a threat to most types of lgbt rights. I'm openly gay, in France. At work, the only colleagues I've had that were discriminating were Muslim. And there certainly are plenty of Muslim people that live their faith as a personal journey who are no more a threat than an elderly eager christian that engages the world with love. But there are also individuals who see their faith as part of identity politics. They are far-right Muslims of sorts. While I'm firmly anchored on the left, I can understand why people follow the security pipeline towards the far-right. I can debate with people for days about why "far-right bad". But when you stumble upon people that have lived some bad things (a gang rape by migrants. Being beaten half to death because you were holding your boyfriend's hand at a bar. A school mate of your child being raped and beaten while suffering anti-semitic slurs) it becomes harder. I stay the course of the left because it encompasses more of what I think society should be, but I'm also ashamed and don't recognize myself in the cowardice of most left-wing parties when it comes to acknowledging when something is wrong with a threatened demographic. The far right has always used the nugget of truth to then expand in their inane generalizations and theatrics. It's a failure on the part of the left that's led us to this point. We gave free reign to the far-right on matters of Islam by refusing to rise to the challenge that is a nuanced danger.
But isn't that just the same issue as christian extremism? Unfalsifiable premises leading to irrational convictions? Don't get me wrong, I'm an antitheist, full stop. But people are people, and some people are going to believe in magic books. We can't exactly outlaw religion. Better, then, to liberalize its canon.
@@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos Oh agreed, hence why I mentioned most religions can be a threat. But we've had time to "tame" Christians, reducing them (mostly) to people that clutch their pearls more than anything else. Islam doesn't have the same structure that can be used (they try with the "Imams de France", basically moderate imams that try the further the most peaceful side of things. But at large most Muslims do fall under more extreme Imams funded from abroad. And given France does not fund religions, any of them, any attempt to counter that runs into a wall.
The religious following is also different in nature. Most people who say they're "catholic" in France have a loose belief at most, not always sticking to actual Dogma, and quite a few of them are agnostic simply referring to "cultural Catholicism". The adopt apparent values or social habits without considering the whole spiritual side of religion. Muslims tend to stick a bit closer to the Dogma culturally. Part of the reason is they've been othered and forced to remain secluded in their own communities in a way. It makes for a perfect extremism breeding ground. But any attempt from a reasonable lefty to touch on that subject will be met with accusations of wholesale Islamophobia. The far rights licks it's chops anytime that happens, because they have the only "unashamed" voice against "Big Islam".
I think the main issue when you blame Muslim or immigrant people for all the homophobia is how you homogenize and demonize all of them, which is simply untrue. But yes, ofc Muslims and immigrants are the cause of a lot of crime, homophobia, violence, etc. I completely understand and know that. It's good to recognize that.
But first, they're not the only ones to blame, and second, why not change their views through education instead of further marginalizing and excluding them ?
Schools can be a great place to teach children to be respectful and understanding
And btw, when y'all blame Muslim or immigrant people, you always always forget that there are a lot of queer people in those groups. Truly a lot. And they suffer from both the homophobia and violence of their own communities and the rejection of the country that they're trying to adapt to. I ask of you to please take all those people in consideration when talking about homophobia and transphobia in migrant communities, because they have always been and will always been the most affected by it.
I'd also like to add that Islam in itself isnt a threat. The real threat are homophobic and violent people who use a book as justification for their hatred and cruelty against what they cannot understand. Homophobic people will always want an excuse anyway.
A lot of Muslim people are queer and they obviously don't see their religion as a threat to their lives or existence
@@k.v.7681 thank you so much for pointing that out. I‘m gay and consider myself on the left and so frustrated with people seemingly not being interested in reality. We can‘t turn a blind eye to Islamist homophobia (and misogyny) any longer, we can’t leave this issue to the right and far right that demonise every Muslim person altogether. to ignore this very real threat is not only foolish, but extremely dangerous
Kinda the case in the US, kinda not. Republicans surely tried to be gay-friendly back in 2016, but by now, they pretty much dropped it all.
It’s called Globohomo
They dropped it because Republicans knew that they will never win over lgbtq voters. Besides from African American voters, lgbtq voters is the Democrats most solid voting bloc.
In 2020, about 83% of LGBTQ voters voted for Biden and Democrats down ballot vs only 15% who voted for Trump and Republicans down ballot.
Also you forgot to mention that most lgbtq members in the USA are GenZ Americans. GenZ Americans tend to be more left wing than previous generations before them, and Republicans have trouble winning over GenZ and Millennial voters.
Especially GenZ women, with 41% of GenZ women identifying as Liberal, vs only 19% of GenZ women who identified as conservative. Another 39% of GenZ women identified as a Democratic voter vs only 21% who identified as a Republican voter. GenZ women are by far the largest cohorts of the liberal and progressive faction in the USA and among the Democratic party.
Among GenZ men, 35% of GenZ men identified as liberal vs only 25% of GenZ men who identified as conservative. Another 39% of GenZ men identified as a Democratic voter vs 23% who identified as a Republican voter.
Maybe the so called "far right" is not that far away from the center... I consider myself a centrist liberal, I have always been one. I was akways in favor of gay marriage (20 years ago). I am an atheist who despises the idea of religion in politics. I am as much of a centrist liberal as I could get. But I find myself agreeing with the so called "far right" more and more. I haven't changed my opinions, but everyone else has.
my biggest point of disagreement with the "far right" is the support for Ukraine, they are against it, I am in favour.
these guys perspective is so lopsided that everything is "FAR" to them when you disagree and they call every disagreement an extreme difference. no sense of priorities, no sense of scale, no sense of nuance. according to them, liberals are right-wing.
@@pedrolopes3542 hey Pedro, thanks for your comment. I‘m glad there are true progressives like you who see the dangers of religion - in this case Islam - very clearly. It shocks me to see how many people are ignorant of this. As a gay man on the centre left, I fully agree with you
Im 29, I grew up during the "manif pour tous" (far right protest against gay right wich were very active in my high school) and it led me to stay in the closet for years its pure gaslighting.
You shared the statistic that 79% of rapes in France are committed by men the victims knew… did you also tell the girl that 77% of rapes in France are committed by someone with a migrant background?
So what's proof of that or where the evidence of statistics that you said?
@@kaeltkottmir the French government lmao
@@KH-mn7bt The right-wing French government. Thanks for the slanted info.
@@kimberlywalker3970 the current frnech government under Macron isn't right wing. nice try though
@@Jambudvipa-ug6yg
Marcon's government has been shifting to the right since 2022
or perhaps at least some LGBT folk get worried about a trend that is increasingly on display by the progressive left of cozying up to Islam and promoting mass migration from parts of the world where being gay is viewed as a crime. there is nothing irrational in apprehension that LGBT folk must feel towards political Islam, which is fast becoming a force to be reckoned with in parts of Europe. this to me is a much more convincing reason why LGBT would support right-wing parties vs rather far-fetched hypotheses that are floated in the video.
Yes. It‘s so easy to see but Alice is more interested in ideology than reality, sadly
@@melancho96 She's more interested in protecting the IDEOLOGY of Islam over the safety of gay PEOPLE. The absolute hypocrisy of leftist spaces is really starting to push many of us away. Criticise Christianity? OF COURSE! Criticise Judaism? ACTIVELY ENCOURAGED! Criticise Islam? NEVER!
Islamophobia is not a real thing
Define islamophobia.
Google Christchurch shootings.
Israel?
@@ALefty it cant be described because its not a real thing
@@angelina6543 have u heard of this search engine called google? Have u heard of a dictionary called oxfords dictionary?
I think you discount the threat to gay men and influx of people from Islamic countries pose.
@@patrickkarsh5435 thank you. As a gay man, I absolutely agree. I am scared to hold my partner‘s hand in public.
You talk as if this is a bad thing... But it seems to me to be a good thing that that we have progressed so far that even the most right wing and conservative party are now accepting of LGBT folks; that being queer is now becoming normalized and no longer political.
Historically, queer people only have the choice to vote for the left because that the only party that doesn't discriminate against them. But now we have came to a point where LGBT rights is so widely accepted that queer people have the choice to vote for any party they want, they are not longer strapped to leftist politics. Maybe this is a bad thing for the leftist who expect LGBT folks to continue to be their solid voter base, but I don't think its a bad thing for queer people who now have to freedom to subscribe to any type of politics they wish.
In fact, it give me the impression that you are just as willing to instrumentalize LGBT people for your leftist politics, just as what you might criticize the right wing of doing. Your talking about "pushing back against this normalization" strike me as saying you're willing for LGBT people to remain stigmatized so they would continue to be loyal leftists that subscribe to leftist ideals.
The far-right has always been super gay, often closeted but not always.
@@fredarsenault8987 why do you use gay as an insult
i dont like the 'homophobic = closeted' thing. it blames homophobia on gay people. yeah internalised homophobia is a problem, but most homophobia is not self-hating repressed shit from gay people, it's just prejudice from people that dont like people different from them.
@@evilforestspirit I m not saying its right or wrong but its a fact a lot of right wingers are closet cases. I think her video covered that pretty well.
this is just progressive homophobia.
yeah yeah you're homophobic, we know.
It's very simple, those who threaten gay people in France are not the National Rally electors, but the electors of the far-left (or should I say the islamic left).
Try to be gay in "far-right" territories, you'll have no problem. Try to be gay in far-left territories (aka islamic territories) and you'll have a very different experience.
Also there is a big difference between the LGBT lobby that is a very Parisian thing, there are homosexual "communities" in Paris living in their segregated gay left-wing bubbles and the average homosexuals of the countryside and small cities (that don't define themselves by being gay, it's just a small part of what they are) living with people voting for the so-called "far-right" and knowing these people are not "homophobic fascists".
Also the evolution toward homosexuality as nothing to do with the "far-right" but the entire society. In the 1970s the French left especially the French communist pary was strongly homophobic saying that "there is no homosexuals in the working class, homosexuality is a bourgeois degeneracy". So it's funny how the left today always look at the past of their opponents but totally amnesic about their own.
Too many facts in this comment, unfortunately. Leftists such as this video "essayist" have no idea how homophobic they are in their "analysis" of this phenomenon. And LGBTQ+ isn't even a coherent constituency. Transgenderism is a homophobic ideology, for instance.
Lmao loud and wrong racist there is no Islamic left in France and it has (while not always) been the far left parties to support France’s lgbt people and no there are no Islamic territories lmao get your anti immigrant bs out of here and it seems you have a short memory I remember who protested violently France’s decision to legalize gay marriage but was the RN and other rightoids nice try fascist your division won’t work
Gay people in Paris don’t self segregate because they won’t to be gay all the time they’ve done that so they wouldn’t be harassed and those communities have stuck and no lgbt people in rural areas don’t just hide it because it’s a small part it’s homophobia headass
Name these so called Islamic left parties
Islam is not a left-wing ideaology. The beliefs of Islam align more with the far right because thst religion still oppresses women and LGBTQ people. Plus, there isn't a tame version of Islam yet that doesn't discriminate.
This is Kim from Texas and I feel you I think you did a great job on this presentation and I'm a gay grandma 63 years old. But bravo the discrimination starts at home with parents My father lived under Hitler and he beat me until he committed suicide when I was 17. It's a hard road but keep going everybody It gets better and you're right I do see the far right they use identity politics specializing in dehumanizing the other. I don't know why they use this either cuz it doesn't work to me. It only out so as very mean spirited people. Thanks for all your hard work It helps everyone. 🙏🏳️🌈💙❤️
I am not a woman, so I cannot speak for you, or for any of women. I. however, am a gay man escaped from Asia to come to live in the Netherlands, and came across your video. First of all, a note on Pim Fortuyn, he had the idea of closing the borders, but he considers people who were already citizens true citizens and would like to integrate all of them, regardless of backgroud.
That being said, it is very easy to call someone "far right" these days. RN in France, PVV in NL and AfD in Germany were classified as far right, but they are very different with regards to gay issues. AfD is openly homophobic (even though the leader is a lesbian), while Wilders has never been homophobic.
I have never voted for the right, but the rise of the right has also to do with the fact that the left cannot hold a uniform standard across everyone. I have a friend who was a gay Syrian. He had to move out of the refugee camp, since he was in danger with people finding out that he's gay. The Dutch gave them a type A status, which means that he can stay in NL indefinitely (and can integrate to become Dutch later in life). Others don't usually get such a treatment. I think it is a very good policy. I would let anyone like my friend in, but to the people who would attack him (or me) just because we're gay, who do you think you are to be entitled to stay in this country? If a Muslim say all Jews have to d-i-e, he's just a Muslim. If a random white Thomas says the same, he is a Nazi. Worse yet, the left start looking for excuses, which they would have otherwise never done had it been said by Thomas. Can we face the reality that a James can be a Muslim (convert), and an Ali can be an ex-Muslim who have received death threats? If you cannot, maybe you are the racist...? We need to stop treating religion holy (we did that to Christianity, and it went well!), but to treat them like another other ideas, be it humanism, feminism, communism, Facism or Nazism.
Furthermore, on the issue of Islam, it is not only homophobia and / or mysogyny which is the problem. Remember Charlie Hebdo? The problem is not that there is a crazy guy bombing a lot of people. The problem is bigger: it silences critics. This has been a tactic for many totalitarian goverments (e.g. China), where they would punish just 1 person harshly to silence the rest. This is why freedom of speech is important. Ideologies which are antithtical to this is a threat to our society (we have seen it, but most of the Western Europe has a generation who was born in freedome of speech, so they might not know how it is like without it)
On 12:37, I cannot speak for Tanguy, but for me, the "right of detachment" is not like "I have my rights now, so screw you!", but more like "I told my colleagues that I have a boyfriend, and everyone just acted as if I have said I have a girlfriend" I am gay, but I find no need to be proud of it (I didn't do anything to achieve it). That is (and in my opinion, should be) the ultimate goal.
On 17:28, is it possible that the ratio of men that Ms Toumazoff were mostly white in the first place? If a society has 0.1% of a certain group A, which consists of 1% of the crime in statistics, that would mean that group A is 10x more likely to commit a crime.
As someone who did not grow up in the West, I see the mainstream left-wingers being empathatic but still very uneducated about the rest of the earth (just like their right-wing counterpart!). How many Muslims do you personally know? How many Migrants (with various cultural background)? Have you ever talk to them about their opinion on social issues, without revealing too much of your own? The progressive and communists (leftist in general) allied with the Islamist to overthrow the Shah in Iran. in 1979. Guess what happened to them afterwards?
On this end, I propose the following: let more migrants in, but make it ideologically strict. Check if they have any antisemitic / homophobic / misogynistic views. Crossing it = getting out. But if the right won't suggest it, the left should. There is a problem, and if you do not want to solve the problem, it will be solved by someone else, and trust me, you won't like the solution. If the current right is not the solution, neither is the current left the solution!
(For anyone who thinks that it is not fair for a homophobic James to stay in the country just because he is born into the right country, I agree with you. We should bring back exile as a punishment. I do acknowledge that this will be controversial and also not the point of my post here)
You said everything I wanted to say. - fellow brown guy 💪
From my perspective as a brown man (who has lived in a muslim majority country where it is life threatening to be even known as a gay person let alone be openly free about it publically) the reason why so many of us gays are now becoming less and less left leaning is because the current left as we have it in the democratic world are so eager to platform, blindly support and in worse case scenario play the "useful idiot" role where they downplay or discredit the dangers of violent islamist ideologies. Much like yourself from what this overly simplistic video indicates.
We who have fled homophobic countries are baffled by this phenomenon to see leftist who champion gay and women rights also scream and accuse of anyone who points out the conservative muslims and their backward beliefs such as death penalty to apostates or blasphemy/censorship laws as "Islamophobic" or "xenophobic". Seeing what is happening in the United States, Sweden, Belgium or the United Kingdom where so-called progressives give these religious conservatives legitimate governing power in the recent local elections (ie Michigan, Toronto, and the UK local mayoral elections).
This year (2023-2024) I've seen majority of Muslims living in the west screaming death to Yahudis (arabic for Jews) and dehumanizing innocent Jewish people daily with the support from useful idiots leftists. A year before that (2022), in Canada and the US school boards were vandalised, attacked and books are banned because they dared to say gay people exists and we've seen majority of muslims protest in favour of this with voice speakers saying "F*** gay people" with their kids stomping on rainbow flags.
Recent US national polls conducted by the Pew Research Center saw that support for marriage equality among Muslim demographic fell from around 51% to 42% this year. Translation;: Muslim communities living in the US are becoming more against gay people being afforded equal rights than they were last year. Explain to me why is this decline if they are so tolerant as the leftist claim to be? Intersectionality goes down the drain.
I'm suppose to gaslighted into caring about these people when they get deported?
Who do we (gay people who fled from these same muslims leftist and so called "progressives" are coddling) turn to?
Certainly not with the Christian nationalist right.
Certainly not with the Islamists who are being coddled by the left in fear of being called "islamophobic bigot" or whatever is the buzzword for that day.
I remain a centrist. As of now a center-right leaning.
well said. except anti semitism is good.
6:10 Les femmes Afghanes sont maintenant réduites en esclavage. Trop génial le Tiers-Mondisme décolonial.🙄 Puisque vous évoquez féminisme d'Etat comme une vilaine ingérence occidentale, quid des ingérences de Lincoln ? Après tout, c'était la "culture locale" de transformer les Noirs en bêtes de somme
What about gay migrants? Both muslim and non-muslim.
Ye, i was confused why she didn't touch upon the exsperience on lgbtq+ people in the muslim community or just alot of mogrant communities
it will always amaze me how the rights speaks about this as if its mutually exclusive. If they really cared about queer people they would involve them too, stick up for them too. It really shows more that they use the subject as a tool.
The same rights don’t apply to you when you’re black or brown…
@@rvj.9352nationalism prioritises self-preservation above all else, therefore homosexuality is secondary when making decisions based on that principle. As a result, many people on the right have softened their anti-gay beliefs over time, coming to believe that homosexual members of their own community are more significant than others. Still, she brings up the claim that the women she spoke with just want to feel safer and brings up the 79% statistics to try and refute she's no more safer if they're surrounded by French men or not. The problem with this claim is that per capita, the French are still the majority, and it's undeniable that many of these other men come from countries where women are seen as less. Does this girl really think France is as dangerous for women as India or Iran?
@@paulwilliams561 so, have you seen the statistics? You just love to ignore them and falsely claim that those men aren't committing almost half the crimes when they are the MINORITY as you just said. French men still commit crimes but immigrants commit half of them when they are the MINORITY, that's the problem.
Great video, Alice :) Reminded me a lot of the AfD here in Germany. They (or at least their better communicators) have sadly mastered the fine line between catching conservative queer people with homonationalism with one hand and catching queerphobic people by promising them a return to "the traditional family" with the other hand... pretty horrible to see. It's great to see that France has such a wide-spread counter-movement to the RN. Sadly that is what we are somewhat lacking here. Time to go out and radicalise all my gay groups, I guess ;)
This counter movement is supporting Islamist that want to criminalize homosexuality, and they want mass immigration of Muslims that are homophobic to the point of making France more dangerous to LGBT. There is no bigger danger in France for gays then Leftist this is a fact.
I am Gay german and Im planning on voting the AfD in the next election. My „survival“ here in Germany is not threatened by the far right but more thought from the continuous hostility I experience from muslim/arab migrants. There is a demographic shift happening in Europe and soon islamic values and issues will become more prevalent in European politics. A left wing government doesn’t acknowledge or deal with this issue so I chose the lesser of two evils.
@@ben9234 I am also a gay German and I'd suggest that you a) read the AfD's Parteiprogramm and b) look at some statistics regarding queerphobic violence. Because yes, that is on the rise - but there is no indication that it is predominantly done by migrants. The vast majority of hate crimes are committed by white, right wing Germans. Just google the statistics (polizeiliche Kriminalstatistik zu Hasskriminalität).
I'm sorry to hear you experience hostility, nobody should have to experience that. The AfD doesn't care about that though. They see that a lot of gay people are worried about their safety (understandably so) and they use that fear to try and manipulate us. Claiming that queerphobia predominantly comes from arab/muslim migrants is a lie, pure and simple. They play the game right-wing politicians have always played: Trying to pit minorities against each other and then fucking both of them over. If the AfD came into power, they'd try and deport as many migrants as possible (including the gay ones, into countries where they wouldn't be safe) and then they'd take away equal rights for queer people.
The AfD are a deeply homophobic party, however much they might try to hide behind Alice Weidel. I hope you realise that before you give them your vote. You'll literally vote against your own best interest.
@@ben9234 hi Ben, ich bin auch ein schwuler Mann in Deutschland und verstehe deine Angst. Ich würde trotzdem die AfD nicht wählen, auch wenn ich von den linken Parteien zunehmend desillusioniert bin, weil sie die offensichtliche islamische Homophobie (und Misogynie) einfach nicht thematisieren. Bin trotzdem eigentlich eher im linken Spektrum beheimatet. Würdest du dich denn an sich als links oder liberal einordnen oder konservativ? Und könntest du dir vorstellen, deine Entscheidung zu ändern, wenn sich linke Parteien endlich des Themas annehmen? Ich finde die Analyse im Video jedenfalls auch völlig fehlgeleitet und gefährlich.
@@ben9234 ah mein Kommentar ist leider verschwunden. Ich bin auch schwul und frustriert von der Nachlässigkeit der linken Parteien bzgl muslimischer Homophobie und Misogynie, sehe mich aber eigentlich dennoch eher links. Könnte man dich zurückgewinnen, wenn linke Parteien sich endlich dieses Themas annehmen?
"The NSDAP is gay-friendly, I swear it!" - Ernst Röhm 1934
You do realize that NSDAP was a socialist Far-Left movement, right?
No??@@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.
@@Roll_dude : Yes.
I think another element as well that you perhaps could have touched on is the fact that this expectance of homosexuality by the far right is really only happening in countries where the right has become largely secularized, most countries far right parties outside of western Europe (even in western Europe, with Italy being a good example) are far more religious.
True that is a good point like the far right in Poland is very anti gay and uses religion while the RN in France has moved away from a lot of that
I never saw muslims support for gay people, so from my side I don't owe them any acceptance. It's not nationalism, it's just common sense since there's no reason to help anyone who would never help you or who would even harm you at the first opportunity.
At some point left will have to choose side and now it seems that alliance with islam for them is more important unfortunately
as an exmuslim, I agree with you, I'm not entirely against immigration, but it's ridiculous for LGBT+ people and people who just happen to be gay/lesbian to support a religion that teaches people to kill gays and kill people who leave the religion
This 100%. As a gay man, I‘m with you. It‘s sad and disturbing
And they will never, Islam stands to its core, and against the sickness you brought to the world, unlike Christianity where it was depleted of its meaning and tolerate everything, which makes it stand for nothing in the end
@@melancho96ok and
there ate so many muslim people advocating for queer rights and are queer themselves. dont look just on the surface. there are no 2 sides. anyone can be queer their religion wont stop that.
"79% of SA is committed by someone they knew" doesn't do anything to discredit the fear of immigrants though, since "people you know" and "immigrants" are not two mutually exclusive groups. The average person probably knows a fair number of immigrants, and I'm sure plenty of immigrant women know mostly immigrant men.
Precisely, the root is not immigration or a specific culture/religion, it’s a structural thing that transcends those fields, as you can find that statistic (of the perpetrator being someone close to the victim) in every single country, despite its sociocultural characteristics
And yet every time the right wings talk about SA it's always shit like roaming gangs of nonwhite people attacking random women.
@@malenaferres2829 Immigrants from Muslim countries are over represented in every sexual crime statistic in Europe. Stop deluding yourself.
Two things then:
1. This implies that lots of immigrant women are victims of rape. You're then showing it is a global problem that should be tackled regardless of the country, and I agree. But then, doesn't it also simplify the picture? People are saying more and more that men can be victims and women abusers, well, then it is also true for immigrants.
2. Many people living in the suburbs/small towns and especially villages don't know a lot of immigrants. By "knowing their victims", one thinks more about close friends and even family members. The case of incests was even brought a lot recently in France. But the main point is that rapists can be everyone, and that the most frightening thought. By only focusing on rapist immigrants, you're not showing that you defend victims, you're only showing that you are racist and only care about one fraction of the abuses.
@varalderfreyr8438 And while they hit big in the headlines, and that they are horrible and should be dismantled, grooming gangs don't constitute the majority of rapes.
Intersectionality should always be at the heart of every liberation movement and conversation we have. We miss much of the complexities of the situation if we ignore it. Thank you so much for the video. You've made some really important observations ❤
Maybe start intersectionality within your Muslim communities first?
@LibertarianDude99 hey buddy... don't you think it's just plain ignorant of you to assume that I'm a Muslim based sheer conjecture? And aren't we over this stupid "whataboutism" tactic that only proves your incapability of talking about the matter at hand? Intersectioanlity is needed in all closed-minded one-sided communities just like the one you come from apparently. So you go ahead and take care of yours and stop making such annoyingly ignorant remakrs.
Good news everyone! They’re not Hitlerites, they’re Strasserites! /S
Bad news is. The little boy who cried wolf society is only going to make it easier for a repeat to sneak in.
@@JaceFalconThis isn't even internally coherent. You're implying that people who 'cry wolf' are making it easier to manufacture consent for a real fascist takeover, but you're also saying that _society as a whole_ is crying wolf. Both of these things cannot simultaneously be true.
Based?
I think the whole argument of ‘Freedom Vs Safety’ is only going to get bigger, with El Salvador as an important case study.
I dislike videos that pretend to be "deep" and "daring to challenge the status quo" while refusing to acknowledge any difficult truths. They default to a boring and reductionistic view of societies as simply oppressors and oppressed, failing to recognize that societies are complex, as the creator herself ironically states. She spent 22 minutes invalidating the feelings of minorities, dismissing concerns about homophobia and misogyny as mere manipulation and stupidity.
The reality is straightforward: reports of discrimination against gay people and women haven't improved much and have even worsened in some European cities. Only one political group actively calls out this discrimination, but that doesn't mean they genuinely care. It’s disheartening to see how disposable it can feel to belong to these groups. People even try to undermine your own marches with things like "no pride without Palestine," refusing to accept multiple issues simultaneously and disregarding what you might be experiencing.
Again, this video is as shallow as a lengthy comment lost somewhere in a boring subreddit post.
No Samuel that’s actually not what is happening but keep living your fascist high rat
The only people making minorities feel unsafe are ppl like you and it’s you conservatives that have made us feel unsafe and we refuse to hold pride without Palestine and its people because we are not pawns to capitalist militarism
Social movements must be revolutionary or they are doomed
Leopards right now: "the service here is great, the food just comes up to me, asking to be eaten!'
Ironically enough, the F slur and Fascist come from the same root word
I don't think they do
@@wordart_guian They do. They both derive from the latin word "facsis" meaning "bundle", from the Greek phákelos (also “bundle”) referring to a bound bundle of wooden rods. Fascism derives its name from this fasces of Ancient Rome where it symbolized a Roman king's power to punish his subjects, and later, a magistrate's power and jurisdiction. The Latin fascis became f*gotto in Italian then f*got in French and F*gg*t in English, all referring to a bundle of sticks used for fuel. The association with the slur came about due to convicted homos being burned at the stake as punishment - therefore the kindling used to burn them became insulting metonymy.
@@wordart_guian They do. They both derive from the latin word "facsis" meaning "bundle", from the Greek phákelos (also “bundle”) referring to a bound bundle of wooden rods. Fascism derives its name from this fasces of Ancient Rome where it symbolized a Roman king's power to punish his subjects, and later, a magistrate's power and jurisdiction. The Latin fascis became f *gotto in Italian, and came to English via French, and referred to a bundle of sticks used for fuel. The association with the slur came about due to people convicted of s0d0my being burned at the stake as punishment - therefore the kindling used to burn them became insulting metonymy.
@@serebii666 i don't know how latin got from fasces to facus that's the thing - the meaning connexion is absolutely there, but not the sound change regularity.
Also, your burning at the stake explanation is seriously kooky for several reasons
I’m right wing because the left wing is where I’ve experienced the most homophobia, left wing circles will virtue signal support for example. Also a huge portion of the left wing is made up of people who support and advocate for Islam in the west, which is at total odds with my identity as a gay man…
As a gay man, the only times I’ve ever been attacked for being queer was by Muslims or internalised homophobes. I understand this is just my personal experience but this is what has shaped my ideology, I’m not far right but I am certainly right wing, and it is because, while the right wing won’t advocate for me directly, I’ve never experienced hate from the right wing either.
Also, my sexuality is just that, there are other issues that my sexuality shouldn’t determine my opinion on… my greatest concern is the Islamisation of my suburb in Australia, which is now 21% Muslim, it is an incredibly scary place I am trying to save money to move away from. It’s also a left wing area, funnily enough.
Gays have a lot of power, and they will be able to leverage it in different ways. They have a lot to offer the world. But I still don't like the Gay Pride Parade.
ok , i see this content is far left leaning ... yeah of course women and LGBT ppl have nothing to fear in the streets from some illegal migrants... it's fascinating your denial of reality in Europe ....
Illegal? If immigrants are illegal then the state already opposes their entry, so voting for a government that *also* opposes their entry makes no difference...
Are you aware that the far right has committed more attacks and hate crimes than Islamic terrorists in Europe...?
so far this is a fascinating watch, this topic goes overlooked and as a queer muslim i appreciate its coverage
Isn't Islam anti-queer? Just like Christianity?
Queer muslim 🤦♂️ you do know that's the equivalent of a nazi jew?
Islam is anti queer
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@@Superidolcookie abu layth mufti has some indepth videos on the topic and so does mpvusa, educate yourself
disco elysium ahh accent
Being french is now a disco elysium reference.
@@tortture3519 always has been
this is ignoring the rampant homophobia going on in western muslim community spheres where they are increasingly more radicalized because of their cultural differences in regards to more welcoming western culture
No this is about western cultures, it's not ignoring it. She just doesn't live in that sphere, so she would most likely not like to speak on something she has no lived experience with.
@@LordCantinflaslived experience DOES NOT MATTER. It is about stats!
Islam is bad!
@@bunnystrasse stats can be easily manipulated. But that wasn't even my point. My point was that she may not want interact with a culture that is not hers nor understands its intricacies. Many individuals that spout these stats fallacy are usually themselves extremely disingenuous to the cultures they are critiquing and painting a wide bigoted net towards a bunch of human beings they have never met and if they do they are so brainwashed by western media's portrayals of these individuals that they treat them with contempt and disdain.
Or maybe they see the evil regime supporting other evil regimes as evil and they don't want anything to do with it. It's like "look, the horrible bully that bombs children likes homosexuality!" We literally don't occupy a moral high ground.
Its a great eye-opening and mind-blowing video. Congrats. I think It should be played on schools. And a lot of people NEED TO see this video. Thank you Alice. Your work IS worth seeing and sharing.
this was a really great piece and I'm so glad you're talking about this. I think you're super articulate and clear and I love your videos. Seriously, it's not like the content you make videos about is necessarily widely talked about, which is why I really like your channel. What you're talking about is really important!! With that said, and knowing this is a specific tier of quality in terms of youtube videos and content, although I I think I understood what you were touching on, I would love to learn more about why you think some gay men can be drawn to far-right aesthetic. I know you mentioned gay men being drawn to uniforms and like military attire. And though I see that is a cultural phenomenon to some extent, I would really love to know more about why you think that is or what makes far right aesthetic particularly attractive to gay men? Or why gay men specifically? idk I guess I try to shy away from generalizations like that, so I would like to better understand!
As both a gay man and arab who grew up in a musIim household i can understand the appeal of far right but its like allying yourself with an enemy to destroy another enemy in common once theyre gone, you’ll target each other.
Also gay and bi are NOT synonymous, a man living a double life isn’t gay he is fundamentally bi, yall wouldn’t believe a str8 man could force himself into marrying and being intimate with a man and lets not forget that testimonies and retelling are too often coming from straight people who are never trustworthy narrator for this subject.
As a gay man i would NEVER trust any so called qu**r theorist as this branch is built on homophobic ideals that gay men have denounced since its inception.
You also fully overlooked how gay men were one of the main target of nazsm and then germany itself once the nazs were defeated because nobody protect or cares for gay men (and gay kids) unless its to make a salacious story about how they lied to everyone and push the idea that they became gay rather than always amongst the many other straight (wo)man made tropes that accumulated with time.
Having legal rights has sadly not led to a normalization, you really needed actual gay people to tell about these theories.
Now you lost me when you said it happened so naturally cus now you are just ignoring a huge chunk of history and thats just crazy and disappointing.
don’t call us qu**r and second of all a lot of gay men are recognizing that introducing (2nd wave) feminism is what is right now destroying the gay movement but they were focused on one framework because it was a matter of life or death and it still is thats why they weaponize our existence against migrants overlooking the fact that some of them might looking for the same freedom of being gay (or else..) gay people are not stupid we know we are being manipulated all around and we know we cannot trust anyone which is still unsettling.
Also the emojis and sound are in such poor taste don’t cuteify homophobic slurs a simple bleep would have been enough and i know for a fact you wouldn’t have added a funny sound to a racial slur. Thats why gay people can’t trust anyone yall think we’re dumber than you when we had to gain awareness when you were still confused on how to properly pronounce words.
The right to detachment is fair for oneself because you can feel the burden of the community and its fair for others to do as they please when its better for them rather than the bigger picture you’re attached to but it is irremediably unfair to a part of the community because its not helping future people like you so there’s no answer because it boils down to a personal free will but you can’t never solve homophobia with veneers or superficial solutions, the root is the target for longterm solutions.
Gay men are at the bottom of the totem pole and are treated like that dehumanized to no end so its no surprise that some of them like in any other minority group they might get their get back.
Okay but my parents were the first who moved there and were musIim so that argument is poor and myopic and treat it as if we’re all blanco français.
I have creeped out by men and women but they’re both creeps to gay men and in my personal experience race was even but to overlook how culture and religion oppresses gay men is to spit at us wherther we grew up here or fundamentalist musIim countries.
Your whole argumentation never goes above you or your pov and just ends up being a tirade of what you think and what you read without mentioning it. Its very I I I…
Even your examples of what scares you is solely about you and never about the broader subject, tu brasses de l’air.
Again you take that subject and turn into what a ww like me thinks and end up centering it around feminism. Thats why most people don’t trust ww’s pov even ww themselves, its always about yall and your desires and freedoms, whataboutmeism made a movement.
Also sexual orientation isn’t something that should be moralized.
Also france has a lot of fascist undercurrents but france prefers resting on their laurels because doing one good thing eons ago is enough for a group of people you barely care for
Ha! Of source they are going to be LGBT friendly, why do you think corporations are such? There has always been, is, and will always be a percentage of queer people being born into a society and we VOTE!
In the fight between "Security based hedonism" & "it's ok for a woman to be r- by a migrant, because it's an anticolonial act", women lose.
The French far-right isn't like the far-right from other countries. We need to understand each of the different movements in their context. Confounding Le Pen with Milei or Trump helps no one.
The RN only gains ground because of it’s anti immigrant position not because it genuinely offers anything that’s why they’ve had to change so much from being Eurosceptic to neutral to trying to paper over their past antisemitism
This was so insightful, and helpful for thinking about identity-right relationships in democracies everywhere. Thanks.
@7:00 okay that is just blatantly not true..
No woman’s rights organisation condemned the 7th of october attacks and atrocities done to women specifically, until faced with public pressure.
But every single day since the beginning of the war the only thing we hear is “women and children” the only protected group in a conflict apparently. And those women and children we talk about are always the Palestinians being killed - horrible and rightfully so we should talk about that.
But no, your statement is absolutely disingenuous. And one group’s advocacy does not mean the lack of another’s rights.
Thank you for this video Alice. I’m also French and really scared by the results of the legislatives. The far-right has learned to disguise its misogyny and homophobia better but its beliefs haven’t changed. It’s crazy to me that many people think they aren’t a danger to democracy anymore.
They should enter to the government and let people realise the shit they are. At this stage is better than sanitizer controls.
Lol like the other option is better? Let your country drown in extreme religion and you won't have any rights left. If you ignore and demonize peoples worries about that religion, then this is the result you get. Europe apparently needs that to wake tf up.
And the far left is just shit. Stop ignoring the rise of the far left!
I would argue that the homophobes and misogynists are the people hell bent on importing the most homophobic and misogynistic people on earth to Europe not the ones who want to stop that immigration flow
@@agathequenard49 they are a danger, but as a gay person I can only tell you that a good percentage of Muslim men are also a threat. As long as the left ignores Islamism, people will keep turning to the (far) right which is a catastrophe
Personally I think people on the left are too quick to associate groups with politics. Of course there are conservative queer, black and immigrant people because the group isn't everything that they are. There's all kinds of people with all kinds of ideas in every demographic
Yep. Just like there were French collaborators with the Germans.
Political allegiance isn't a fixed identity, though. Your 'conservative gay people' existed before they voted conservative.
How urgent someone perceives different problems to be is a matter of personal history and the information they receive, and those can be changed by policies, culture, media, and propaganda.
Someone who believes migrants are a bigger threat to gay people than conservative natives in power will be more likely to vote conservative than someone who doesn't, regardless of their political priors.
Absolutely you’re right, but the vast majority of people do not vote against their own interests, which is why queer people are overwhelmingly left wing.
@@SarastistheSerpent The vast majority of people do vote against their own interests. That they would only vote for their interests is a neoliberal point of view.
There are YIMBY lefties who vote to lose prosperity for some notion of the greater good, there are far-left radicals who would rather destroy things than let them distribute things unfairly, there are neoliberals who don't want to cheat at the game of capitalism by adding regulation even if they lose, there are conservatives voting away their own rights because they believe in a prescriptive moral framework, and there are far right people who would rather destroy things than see them shared with people they despise.
@@dph121 I mean that is true only when you analyse it using a materialist framework solely relying on ckass