and it's pretty much intentional, Hireek is just trash in warlock, as it needs to be buffed to be at least 5/5 to be good, which means you spent three cards and ten mana to fill the board, when warlock has much better options for board flooding. Notice that none of the high mana 1/1s are actually things that went into good decks, they were always there for joke or meme decks, I firmly believe some cards are printed just to reduce the value of random minion of cost effects, and that if they see any play beyond that it's just a bonus.
I got ptsd flashbacks after that first game. I had a match where I astromancer summoned a hireek, used conjurer's calling on the hireek, and pulled a hireek and a gipetto joybuzz from it
Good guy Kibler- shows us two games proving how busted a card is that we already knew was busted, and gives us a game showing how his deck just rolled over and died.
Kibler didn't draw neither Giant to pull off combo, nor Scorcher to clear board on 5, nor Zilleax to stall for other two. While in first two games he draws all combo pieces just in time. Honestly, I never got the point of this interaction in card games: you draw good, opponent draws bad, you win and look strong but it isn't your success, you draw bad, opponent draws good - you lose and look weak, but again it isn't your fault. And only in around half of games you both draw good or bad and game resolved by skill. Is the random draw such a sacred cow, that half of the games must be sacrificed to it?
I facepalmed so hard when he discarded conjurers calling at the beginning. Mountain Giant, Khadgar, and Conjurers Calling are the most important cards in the deck and really easy to mulligan. Ive had a mountain giant on turn 3 with a book.
That’s cause Rogue beats the shit out of Mage lol. I have only played Heistbaron Rogue this expansion and got a super easy Legend crushing everybody but Control Warriors. Those guys are hard :D. But yeah Mage is usually a bye.
So how many other people said "ha ha" to Kibler when his opponent played the turn 3 Firetree? He may have hit book into book, but at least he had his dragon ;)
That 2nd mage should have traded mana cyclone into the giant, I cannot believe, KNOWING Kibler had a 2nd conjurer's calling, that he'd EVER commit to *2* face damage over killing a giant
derp by far the main reason it’s so powerful here is because in specifically this deck you can use it on turn 4 or 5 after value trading with the mountain giant you played on turn 3 or 4. In no other situation (at least with the current card pool) will conjurer’s calling be anywhere near as powerful or that much of a huge tempo swing. That’s not to say the card can’t be good in other uses, because I think it definitely can. It’s just that this is by far the strongest thing you can do with the card so it may seem disproportionately good.
A Random Yoyo I’ve considered running cairne in my summoner mage list because it synergises with khadgar quite nicely. Otherwise I suppose you could try some sort of control hakkar mage that uses elysiana to replace the bloods in your deck. The problem with any hakkar deck is that far too many decks run elysiana themselves, so hakkar will far too often be useless.
@@colinlee2904 Boomsday : mechathun comes Rastakhan : hakkar comes, hard counter mechathun RoS : Elysiana comes, hard counter hakkar Next expansion, elysiana will be shut out by something..
Enjoy 3 Mana Conjurer’s calling while it lasts (or it as a twinspell, idk). See how hard that snowballs when combo’ed with mtn giant? I think developers thought of it as a late game value card, not a way to cheat 4 12 drops on turn 6...
It's a new card mechanic introduced in the latest expansion called 'Twinspell'. After you play the spell, you add a copy of it to your hand. The effect only works once though.
because conjurers calling has keyword :Twinspell When you play it, it adds a copy of the card (without Twinspell keyword on it). Kinda like echo, but only once, and you get to keep the "echo" in your hand.
michael jeacock in my experience, from playing a really simular deck, i would say it is pretty solid. I mean twilight drake is pretty obvious in a big hand kind of deck. The firetrees are good for fishing for spells that you cant include because of Book of spectres. The 5 mana drop, cant remember what it is called, whirlwind effect dragon, is sometimes good in token matchups. Also kalecgos is pretty solid in the deck. So i would say that the package makes pretty much sense. Imo at least ^^
Conjuror's Calling is stupid IMO. That card could just not have Twinspell and still be good, I don't get why every other Twinspell card is overcosted to compensate but that card is just amazing for 3 already.
I'm thinking Blizz intended it to be a removal with a small potential for backfire. But man did it almost immediately become the latest tool for fringey Khadgar mage
I love the _conjuring's calling_ but I really think the _Mtn giant_ combo is to damn op. How are you suppose to deal with two 8/8 on turn 4 ? I don't care if it's a tier 1 or 2 or whatever I just hate facing that kind of broken stuff and be helpless. That's not fun. And sadly it makes me think that _Mtn Giant_ should join _Molten Giant_ in the Hall of fame :/
I mean, you can’t call every single aggro deck brainless and expect people to respect you. I personally don’t play Token Druid (I prefer Heistbaron Rogue) but that deck has some real decision trees over something like Odd Pala or Murloc Shaman.
@@Greedude Midrange is alright because it gives you a room to react. The problem is when you are fighting things like odd paladin where if you don't have a way to clear the board that's full of divine shield minions on turn 3 you are already dead. It's not about how simple the deck is, it's about how it has very few counters outside of being lucky and drawing a good board wipe and how control decks have very small chances of winning against it.
So mountain giant costs 1 less for each card in hand, why is that not the case when it's on the board aswell so that calling don't spawn 2 extra copies of it
Because that how all cards works, if you would reduce the cost of a card with say something like emperor tharisson, they would also spawn minions of the original cost, not the cost you paid to play them. The same goes for evolve effects and everything.
@@karateadam Sure I know that is how it works obviously. Just saying that it could be a thing to change it's def not intuative, especially when you also have cards like the magic carpet that counts a sea giant discounted to 1 as a 1 mana cost card even thogh when played it's a 10 mana cost card. Also with discount mechanics like emperor, it's not the cards effect to have reduced cost. But for mountain giant and sea giant it's on the card. Why is the cost of the card not modified when on the board aswell? all other cards have that have text also apply to them when in play and not only in hand.
Could have guaranteed two 4/6 taunts on turn 6 but instead went for trying to conjurer's calling the drake into two better 4-drops. Unlikely to say the least.
He could never have had two 4/6s due to card text. He also explained his reasoning for playing Twilight Drake over the Defender (playing to the out of a really lucky Conjurer's Calling since he deemed that the Defender would not be able to dig him out of the hole by itself).
@@jluchette I wouldn't count rush and discover just cause the were used in expansions other then the one they were introduced in (which goes to prove how amazing they were and puts them in a different tier). I was comparing it more to things like echo, magnetic, recruit which were really only found in their original expansions.
the Rng in this game can really tilt me at times. it is not a skill rewarding game, this is luck base gaming. the developers really need to redesign the cards that give "random" properties.
@Azazus there are tournaments for hearthstone that has cash prizes and blizzard is the one which organizing them, u think the players there are excited about RNG when there is money on the line? as for design, simple, for example in the case of astromancer. instead of summoning a random minion, summon a minion with a statline base on the cards in your hand. if u have 6 cards in hand, summon a 6/6 minion, 7 cards = 7/7 minion. etc. that way u wont have bullshit creatures such as a 1/1 at 8 cards.
A Tem I'm just saying that the fact that people are willing to put money on the line to play Hearthstone professionally must mean that there's an audience for card games with a significant amount of randomness. I only used Starcraft as an example because it had already been brought up, but you're right, a closer example would be Magic or Faeria. The fact that there are people who choose to play Hearthstone tournaments over Magic tournaments and don't complain about the RNG must mean that the RNG is not as much of a problem for competitive players as you think it is.
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That 8 mana 1/1 reminds me of the time that 8-cost minions used to be good generally. Good old days.
like when priests hero powered before they played Forbidden Shaping
Ah yes, back when you could actually play evolve Shaman without getting tons of high cost 1/1s
That's why they HoF rag
and it's pretty much intentional, Hireek is just trash in warlock, as it needs to be buffed to be at least 5/5 to be good, which means you spent three cards and ten mana to fill the board, when warlock has much better options for board flooding. Notice that none of the high mana 1/1s are actually things that went into good decks, they were always there for joke or meme decks, I firmly believe some cards are printed just to reduce the value of random minion of cost effects, and that if they see any play beyond that it's just a bonus.
Skullhawk13 lynessa was good for a bit, when she saw play in the otk paladin deck
Mage punished by attacking face first before casting the missiles.
Everybody knows that the face is the place
I got ptsd flashbacks after that first game. I had a match where I astromancer summoned a hireek, used conjurer's calling on the hireek, and pulled a hireek and a gipetto joybuzz from it
2:10 me before the test : " my calculations are flawless." me during the actual test:
*brian's maniacal laughter*
i swear the only reason 1/1 battlecry minions exist is to ruin generation pools
I love the sync of the music with the game
Hmmm...I see you're a man of culture
Mage's most amazing stealth army! Never seen before! Kappa
7:50 Popping the opponent's egg to give him more bodies to buff and attack with is the worst play I've seen Kibler make in a long time...
2:09 please Kibler chill out with those laugh I almost choked with my omelette
His laugh natural or not comes off unnatural to me and just makes my viewing experience not as great. I like the content though.
Who still anticipates to hear "None will survive!"
0:40 Being well known for his booming laugh, it will cost me a few days to get that fake laugh out of my system
Good guy Kibler- shows us two games proving how busted a card is that we already knew was busted, and gives us a game showing how his deck just rolled over and died.
I played this deck and my book of spectres hit my next book and my 2 conjurer calling on multiple occasions
speaks a lot about your skill at Hearthstone
The exact reason I just play arcane intellect. I'd prefer to not get screwed by an invisible factor
I love playing this deck but i hate playing against it
How to describe Hearthstone.
I feel for that first opponent. I got that exact same low-roll and instantly conceded.
This whole video I’m like: “Wow, Kibler’s deck looks so strong” and then the Token Druid comes up and I’m like “Wow, Token Druid looks so strong” smh
Kibler didn't draw neither Giant to pull off combo, nor Scorcher to clear board on 5, nor Zilleax to stall for other two. While in first two games he draws all combo pieces just in time. Honestly, I never got the point of this interaction in card games: you draw good, opponent draws bad, you win and look strong but it isn't your success, you draw bad, opponent draws good - you lose and look weak, but again it isn't your fault. And only in around half of games you both draw good or bad and game resolved by skill. Is the random draw such a sacred cow, that half of the games must be sacrificed to it?
That hireek with astromancer LMFAO blizzard telling that guy to stop netdecking
This is hearthstone in a nutshell
In every 3th TH-camvid he is eating something
I wish they renamed grave horror to giant horror, and called that new imp giant imp. Just to stick with the giant mechanic sticking with the name
That Hir’eek was tragic
Zoo is so much fun to play right now. Wiping the smug grins off of these token druids faces gives me satisfaction. So many angry concedes.
New camera? Looks way more crisp today..
I facepalmed so hard when he discarded conjurers calling at the beginning. Mountain Giant, Khadgar, and Conjurers Calling are the most important cards in the deck and really easy to mulligan. Ive had a mountain giant on turn 3 with a book.
I think the conjurers call will get a mana cost nerf.
hope not mage is shit enough as it is
If anything Mountain and Sea Giant should be rotated, its no fun wjen your opponent gets a turn 4 8/8
@@DarkWolfSpirit97 It's no fun when your druid gets a board full of 4/4 at turn 4
Yeah like mage is not shit enough without ice block
@@shiftingerinoshaderino312 it's not good for mage to have a bunch of mediocre cards and then a few busted cards.
Что с прической?
I'm glad to see something crushing this deck at least. I think I hate playing against mage the most in this expansion.
Rogue is pure cancer in my experience.
@@Lark88 if everyone could play something other than tempo rogue, that'd be great. Sincerely, an espionage rogue player.
That’s cause Rogue beats the shit out of Mage lol. I have only played Heistbaron Rogue this expansion and got a super easy Legend crushing everybody but Control Warriors. Those guys are hard :D. But yeah Mage is usually a bye.
@@Lark88 Don't forget about Warrior.
As a paladin player if I don't get a near perfect draw i get giant conjured every game.
So how many other people said "ha ha" to Kibler when his opponent played the turn 3 Firetree? He may have hit book into book, but at least he had his dragon ;)
I crafted this deck after this video..nice deck
Casual 81k gold lol
i love using giant on turn 4 into khadgar conjurers calling turn 5 and get 4 8/8 or 7/8 on the board with my mage
That 2nd mage should have traded mana cyclone into the giant, I cannot believe, KNOWING Kibler had a 2nd conjurer's calling, that he'd EVER commit to *2* face damage over killing a giant
i wonder if conjurer's calling is good enough to make a deathrattle deck
derp by far the main reason it’s so powerful here is because in specifically this deck you can use it on turn 4 or 5 after value trading with the mountain giant you played on turn 3 or 4. In no other situation (at least with the current card pool) will conjurer’s calling be anywhere near as powerful or that much of a huge tempo swing.
That’s not to say the card can’t be good in other uses, because I think it definitely can. It’s just that this is by far the strongest thing you can do with the card so it may seem disproportionately good.
How many good deathrattles are there even for mage? Applebaum and the new 4/5 taunt mech are the only ones that I can think of right now
A Random Yoyo I’ve considered running cairne in my summoner mage list because it synergises with khadgar quite nicely. Otherwise I suppose you could try some sort of control hakkar mage that uses elysiana to replace the bloods in your deck. The problem with any hakkar deck is that far too many decks run elysiana themselves, so hakkar will far too often be useless.
@@joshburns1777 yeah, hakaar is just completely shut out by elysiana unfortunately
@@colinlee2904
Boomsday : mechathun comes
Rastakhan : hakkar comes, hard counter mechathun
RoS : Elysiana comes, hard counter hakkar
Next expansion, elysiana will be shut out by something..
Interesting game!
Why no arugal?
Cubelock hasn’t died
Does someone has the deck code ? 😊
Enjoy 3 Mana Conjurer’s calling while it lasts (or it as a twinspell, idk). See how hard that snowballs when combo’ed with mtn giant? I think developers thought of it as a late game value card, not a way to cheat 4 12 drops on turn 6...
They wouldn't nerf tier 2 deck lmao
@@purpleboi7050 Tempo Mage says hello.
The Inconsistency Tempo Mage is not even Tier 3 lol
@@Dantehhhhh Because of the nerf to Mana Wyrm.
they already send a giant to hall of fame, why not another one ?
4:41 how did he get again the spell ? :O Sorry im just a supernewbie
It's a new card mechanic introduced in the latest expansion called 'Twinspell'. After you play the spell, you add a copy of it to your hand. The effect only works once though.
Yeah ive gotten that 8 mana 1/1 alot i really shouldnt play rng heavy decks
Why did conjures calling reapeared on the second match?
because conjurers calling has keyword :Twinspell
When you play it, it adds a copy of the card (without Twinspell keyword on it). Kinda like echo, but only once, and you get to keep the "echo" in your hand.
"my calculations are flawless"
*pulls a 1/1*
you should rly rethink your calculations
i realize kibler can't help himself but i am not sure about the dragon package in this deck.
michael jeacock in my experience, from playing a really simular deck, i would say it is pretty solid. I mean twilight drake is pretty obvious in a big hand kind of deck. The firetrees are good for fishing for spells that you cant include because of Book of spectres. The 5 mana drop, cant remember what it is called, whirlwind effect dragon, is sometimes good in token matchups. Also kalecgos is pretty solid in the deck. So i would say that the package makes pretty much sense. Imo at least ^^
Deck Code? :D
Conjuror's Calling is stupid IMO. That card could just not have Twinspell and still be good, I don't get why every other Twinspell card is overcosted to compensate but that card is just amazing for 3 already.
I'm thinking Blizz intended it to be a removal with a small potential for backfire. But man did it almost immediately become the latest tool for fringey Khadgar mage
I've gotten Hireek more than Tirion. Sad.
You didn’t save this title for when you use Desperate Measures?
lol the highs and lows of RNG in a nutshell. XD
2:48 - what is he saying?!?
He is on drugs
I love the _conjuring's calling_ but I really think the _Mtn giant_ combo is to damn op.
How are you suppose to deal with two 8/8 on turn 4 ?
I don't care if it's a tier 1 or 2 or whatever I just hate facing that kind of broken stuff and be helpless. That's not fun.
And sadly it makes me think that _Mtn Giant_ should join _Molten Giant_ in the Hall of fame :/
Naturalize was hofed for this
Kibler's ability to stay calm always baffle me. If i was going against a brainless aggro deck and losing i would be flipping my desk in real life.
I mean, you can’t call every single aggro deck brainless and expect people to respect you. I personally don’t play Token Druid (I prefer Heistbaron Rogue) but that deck has some real decision trees over something like Odd Pala or Murloc Shaman.
Dani Castro actually I’m an intellectual and I play midrange murloc shaman
@@Greedude Midrange is alright because it gives you a room to react. The problem is when you are fighting things like odd paladin where if you don't have a way to clear the board that's full of divine shield minions on turn 3 you are already dead. It's not about how simple the deck is, it's about how it has very few counters outside of being lucky and drawing a good board wipe and how control decks have very small chances of winning against it.
@@Greedude And believe me, i play on free ladder and the deck is basically impossible to win against if you are playing as control.
@@VelhoTeste which rank? I always play control on rank 5-3 and it always all right.. No aggro fast enough to beat you on turn 4 like the old times
i added abomination to this deck just to combat the druids
You're at San Diego area code Legend rank to start this game. Nice.
So mountain giant costs 1 less for each card in hand, why is that not the case when it's on the board aswell so that calling don't spawn 2 extra copies of it
Sjatar that’s an interesting point...
Because that how all cards works, if you would reduce the cost of a card with say something like emperor tharisson, they would also spawn minions of the original cost, not the cost you paid to play them. The same goes for evolve effects and everything.
@@karateadam Sure I know that is how it works obviously. Just saying that it could be a thing to change it's def not intuative, especially when you also have cards like the magic carpet that counts a sea giant discounted to 1 as a 1 mana cost card even thogh when played it's a 10 mana cost card.
Also with discount mechanics like emperor, it's not the cards effect to have reduced cost. But for mountain giant and sea giant it's on the card. Why is the cost of the card not modified when on the board aswell? all other cards have that have text also apply to them when in play and not only in hand.
Druid is still a cancer I see.
Idk mage is coming to take it's spot now
Not as much as it used to be. If anything, Rogue and Warrior are the new broken classes.
Mouth smacking streamers are the worse, the real cancer.
OP!
This deck is so inconsistent and polarizing it’s hard to believe it’s actually being considered meta...
hi’reek omegaLUL
"My CaLcUlAtIoNs ArE fLaWlEsS"
Roy Ree she didn’t give herself to hi’reek in both body and soul
Scruffy Kibler :)
Hi Kibler
Bring DUSKBREAKER to classic please :(
Oh god please no, he can sit in wild as long as he wants...
@@antoniocecere3737 😂😂😂wild is better than Standard
Could have guaranteed two 4/6 taunts on turn 6 but instead went for trying to conjurer's calling the drake into two better 4-drops. Unlikely to say the least.
He could never have had two 4/6s due to card text. He also explained his reasoning for playing Twilight Drake over the Defender (playing to the out of a really lucky Conjurer's Calling since he deemed that the Defender would not be able to dig him out of the hole by itself).
rogue memes are better . change my mind :)
deck codepls
could u not say conjurations?
notification gang wya?
Idk what it is, im such a weirdo. But it triggers me so hard and i can’t stand it when Kib says “yup” during his opponents turn
Yup.
Wait what? Yoghurt with peanutbutter ? am i the only one who thinks thats disgusting? xD
Twinspell is the best expansion-specific keyword. Change my mind.
juneace98 Discover was LoE-specific and so good/cool they kept it around. I agree that Twinspell is also pretty sick.
@@jluchette I wouldn't count rush and discover just cause the were used in expansions other then the one they were introduced in (which goes to prove how amazing they were and puts them in a different tier). I was comparing it more to things like echo, magnetic, recruit which were really only found in their original expansions.
the Rng in this game can really tilt me at times. it is not a skill rewarding game, this is luck base gaming. the developers really need to redesign the cards that give "random" properties.
@Azazus there are tournaments for hearthstone that has cash prizes and blizzard is the one which organizing them, u think the players there are excited about RNG when there is money on the line?
as for design, simple, for example in the case of astromancer. instead of summoning a random minion, summon a minion with a statline base on the cards in your hand. if u have 6 cards in hand, summon a 6/6 minion, 7 cards = 7/7 minion. etc. that way u wont have bullshit creatures such as a 1/1 at 8 cards.
A Tem
I mean, clearly tournament players don't mind the RNG as much as you do, or they would be playing Starcraft.
@@nanowasabi4421 starcraft and hearthstone are two different games. one is a card game, the other is an rts game. different genre
@@nanowasabi4421 both games can have little RNG, not just starcraft alone.
A Tem
I'm just saying that the fact that people are willing to put money on the line to play Hearthstone professionally must mean that there's an audience for card games with a significant amount of randomness. I only used Starcraft as an example because it had already been brought up, but you're right, a closer example would be Magic or Faeria. The fact that there are people who choose to play Hearthstone tournaments over Magic tournaments and don't complain about the RNG must mean that the RNG is not as much of a problem for competitive players as you think it is.
Wow an actual lose on this guys channel. Rare af 💁🏿♀️
Gave you a thumbs down for that nasty ass yogurt you were eating.
Am I the only one that thinks tolken druid is kinda lame? It doesn't seem like a deck that's fun or creative.
Thumbnails with dumb faces are cringe
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