In my former LEO career, I've seen 3 people DRT from a .25 to the noggin. One officer I knew was hit in the vest and swore it felt like a boxer's punch (the round went through a ton of stuff in his pocket, hit the vest at an angle, ran along it, tore through the edge where it overlapped (none of our vests fit back then) and cut the crap out of his side. .25 will stop if you put it where it counts. A .44 magnum won't stop if you don't put it where it matters.
Practice. Practice. Practice. Know your weapon. Know your ammo. Know your holster. Watch your surroundings. Try like heck to stay out of a dangerous conflict. Bigger guns don't help you if your ignorant and stupid.
I agree whole-heartedly with your closing statement - the gun you CARRY is infinitely superior to the one you leave home / in the car. Due to weight / convenience issues , I constantly found myself NOT carrying my full size pistol , then not the compact and finally not the sub-compact one either...I found these "mouse guns" as others called them , a BREEZE to conceal and actually CARRY under ANY situation. My wife agrees as well , so we are both converts to 25 cal carry. NO - it is NOT a long range or competition gun - that's NOT what it's designed for...it IS a perfect up close and personal save your bacon defense pistol...and we both love it. The tilt up barrel is a super cool bonus that makes loading the pistol the easiest there is !! Thanks for posting this vid !!
380 acp guns are being made the same size and lighter with polymer frames also 22lr micro pistols have the same performance and with modern ammunition are just as reliable now which is why 25acp became obsolete and which is why it's so expensive. 22lr gets a bad reputation for reliability because of the Saturday Night Special type guns that were using it at the high of the micro pistol popularity. Thoes days are over
Easy to carry shoots straight so I bought a ph 25a headed to the range today to see if I could carry as a sweat pants gun. Always have my g42 With me but I enjoy different firearms and variety in everything. Like 22lr pistols, have a Smith and victory for target best pistol I ever owned. But rimfire can fail so I am going to try the smallest center fire for myself and I might even choose to add to my carry collection. Open mind is a good thing!
Lynn Thompson should create a TH-cam channel disassociated from Cold Steel let him promote the hell out of Cold Steel but I think a channel dedicated to just Thompson being Thompson would be fantastically entertaining and be at Liberty to come out with any form of video content he desires. there is a lot of people that hate on Mr.Thompson and I would be lying if I said all of their arguments are baseless( most of it is just talking crap) but with that said Lynn Thompson is one of my idols. Self Made American businessman who is also a badass and has the video evidence to prove it.
@@brettkelly4575 45...is an american concept ( twin 45 LC in auto...). 25/32/380 acp are US adaptation of belgian concept 6.35 browning 7.65 browning and 9mm short browning .... Colt adapted in second position ... 45 never called 11,5 browning !!! Lonely french call it 11,43 COLT..since 1917.(and never browning)
@Khetman of the Zaporozhyan Cossack Host maybe 9x18 is german origin but 9x17..or 9mm kurtz browning alias 380 acp is belgian american .....9x18 desigbed 9mm ultra or 8mm police.. is maybee german... but cousin of 9x18 russian (makarov)
@Khetman of the Zaporozhyan Cossack Host german 9x19 (luger): 450/550 joules......9x18 ultra : 300/330 joules......9x17 browning.....195/230 joules......(variation because Ammo reference or barrel lenght)
Oddly enough all those who claim the .25 ACP is completely useless always have something very important to do elsewhere when I suggest they stand in front of one and take a few "harmless" bullets.
Any bullet can kill but that doesn't mean it's a good choice for defense. The only combative use of these pistols that I can see is if you were trying to assassinate someone. They are very small/concealable as well as quiet for a firearm. If you need to shoot someone in the head at close range it's a good choice lol. But if you actually need to defend yourself there are too many variables that render these weapons a poor choice. What if you need to shoot through a barrier like a window/windshield or your attacker is more than a 10 feet away or even if they are wearing a heavy jacket? With how many amazing options we have these days for small easily concealable 9mm, .380 and .40 cal hand guns I do not see the point of carrying anything smaller than a .380. My walther is not that much bigger than one of these in a practical sense, has a better capacity and is much more powerful. And you can get a glock 26 that is even smaller. If you absolutely cannot stand carrying something as big as a 26 then this would be better than nothing, is absolutely still deadly and is easy to carry. But I would prefer to trust my life to something that is proven to be more effective in more situations yet is still easy to carry. The question isn't "will it kill someone?" it's "how fast will this stop the threat?".
25 acp is one of best round of worrld....CREATE BY AMERICAN GENIUS J.M BROWNING,,, for 2 and half inch barrel of his baby....probe of browning himself....+ one century later with technology progress i can enumerate two Rounds serious ( 35gr or over)in this caliber able to upgrade THE WONDERFUL QUARTER. ) 1) IN FIRST Fiocchi XTP 35 grs speed 1029 ft /s 83 ft lbs inceease really perf used in Italian Israel and Russian Secret Service exist in civil 900fps 63ft lb 2) cor bon 34grs 1100 ft s..... 94 ft lb in civil market ..avoid it in light alloy frame slide of i expensive gun ( style raven....) but in Baby or Bauer its awesome round......... ps classic 50grs original 25acp considerate like powerful travel during his first yard around 210 m/s (690 fps) for 55 or 60 ftlb... at this level 25 acp save dozen of owners and filled lot of cemetery places,,,,, underestimate this round is one evidence of bad weaponery knoledge
There's been a lot of people killed with a .25. If three or four rounds of .25 acp doesn't kill and assailant, I would definitely say that their priorities would change with a quickness...
I am going to start carrying a .25 acp pocket pistol and a .32 acp pocket pistol in the summer time months. I am leaving my .22LR pistols at home for plinking & cheap target shooting. Centerfire ammo primed caliber rounds are way more reliable than rimfire ammo !
Look up the FBI stats, it takes 3-4 rounds even with 9mm. The target will very rarely know they've been shot, they'll hear the bang long before they feel the injury. Even with broken bones people can walk away or fight back, bullet holes are like falling on a sharp stick, unless it hits perfectly right or multiple injuries, you're going to have plenty of time after it to realize the severity of the wound. People walk on broken legs all the time due to adrenaline, don't doubt it.
John M. Browning was America's greatest gun inventor. He invented the .25 auto cartrige and a gun to use it. In past years, I have worked several murder cases where men were shot and killed graveyard dead by a .25 pistol. I also have met many men that I know are dangerous who carried a .25 on them all of the time. It is small, but it can still kill you.
I have 4 fire arms that I use in my 45 + years while "Riding Motorcycles". I have the model 950. It was strongly advised at the time as one of the best hold out pistols to have by the Highway Patrol of my state at the time. It has saved my life while I was on my Harley. Helping me get away from a bad situation. There is no law out in the lone highway. Even in today's world you can get yourself killed for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I swear by the model 950 and still carry it to this day. It has never failed me back then. It won't fail me now.
Agree 100 percent. My little .25 hold out has kept me from getting robbed before, when I couldn't carry my 357. Most people don't care what caliber your gun is when it's pointed at them.
If you have the single action Beretta 950 it's 8+1, the trigger pull is so short you can empty it in no time and with little recoil you stay on target, sure it wouldn't be my go to gun, but I don't believe you couldn't stop someone at close range with several rapid fire hits, it can certainly be fired much faster than larger calibers while there's a delay to get back on target. Worst case I'd rather go hands on with someone with nine 25 acp rounds in them than if they didn't. Great deep concealment backup pistol and much better than nothing in situations where you can't carry anything bigger.
@Khetman of the Zaporozhyan Cossack Host Ahhhh man bro... seriously haven't you ever watch South Park where Cartman tells Butters that's just not cool you don't shoot a man in the dick?? Haha Im just messing around.. if someone does something stupid enough words of physical threat to you you do whatever you need to do it is funny though right??
@Khetman of the Zaporozhyan Cossack Host hahah fuk ummm they picked the wrong guy soo they get what they deserve.. make sure the Scumbag doesn't get to piss standing up anymore... hahahahaha you get to turn him into a little girl... it's a doggy dog world soo I hear you my friend its better him than you right?
I have a Beretta minx in 22 short and was surprised at its ability to penetrate 1.25 inch seven ply plywood at ten yards , I use only Eley primed Aguila as the primer hit is light and keep the barrel clean ,very small gun and mine is very accurate and easy to carry
Many butchers I knew used 22's or 25 ACP to dispatch cattle and hogs. Know several deputies that carry a 25ACP in their jeans off duty and as backups. Close range and shot placement are the key. One of these under an armpit or to the head will definitely cause considerable damage.
It doesnt even need to be an armpit. .25 has sufficient power to penetrate to the lungs and heart from a frontal center mass hit. Larger calibers are able to do so more reliably while also causing some more shock and bone fragmentation and such but id not want to be shot with even a pellet gun. All guns are deadly
I like the little jet fire in .25acp but my favorite little carry gun is the 3032 Tomcat in .32acp. You pop them in the solar plexus a couple of times, they tend to cut it out. You put one in the snot locker, and they shut right down. Little guns work just fine, if you know what you're doing with them.
I carry either a Beretta model 20 (25 ACP) or Beretta Tomcat (32 ACP), both loaded with hollow point ammo. They are small enough to carry without any "bulge", and both mags hold 7 rds. An added plus is the "tilt-up" barrel, which allows loading a bullet directly into the chamber without "racking" the pistol. Like the video says - "Better a 25 in the pocket, than a 45 in the glove compartment."
Get this is 2 years ago.. however.. should you ever read this dont carry hollow points. In diminutive calibers like 25 FMJ are MUCH more effective. Expansion in a 3 inch barrel or smaller gun is virtually nonexsistent. In fact it LIMITS penetration which is what you want MUCH more than expansion when firing a 50 grain bullet. Ditch the hollow points use FMJ.
@@jakebaker4504 I get this is 2 years ago but ditch the FMJs and get flat nosed hardcast ammo. The flat tip with smash a straight line through the target causing more damage rather then FMJs which tends to slip through the flesh and deflect in random directions.
Not to mention James Bond loved his Beretta 6.35 mm with sawn barrel and taped grips,carried in a clamshell shoulder holster. He tried to smuggle it out with him even after the pesky Major Boothroyd and M forced a Walther PPK in 7.62 mm (yeah,that’s a real stopper all right,said the Man with the Golden Gun). FYI,the 6.35 mm is the European designation for the .25ACP, and 7.62 mm is the .32 ACP. Love those old Euro pocket guns,they put the special in Saturday Night Special.
Fleming carried a Colt 1908 .25 during the war, it was issued to him and he got to keep it after the war. He took it with him yearly to Jamaica. That is why he thought a .25 was just a dandy carry gun for his James Bond. He liked the look of Beretta in print.
Fleming was not as much of a firearm authority as thought. He referred to the clamshell upside down holster for the 25 as a Berns /Martin holster. That holster later duplicated by Bianchi as their 9r was for small and mid size revolvers. I have several and one of them is used for what Bond used his for, a Colt 38 Detective .
Personally I prefer 45 acp, However, I know a man that was shot behind the right ear with a 25 acp, and it exited the upper left side of his head. He is no longer with us. Sooo, you can say what you want, about the Lethality of this round. But It will kill a man,, PERIOD !!!!
Dragon Slayer No one is questioning the .25 ACP's lethality. As stated, it will most certainly kill and do so quickly if placed in the heart or brain. The problem is most people don't have the expertise to consistently hit those places under stress and remain calm. It's like a pocket knife vs. a machete; both will kill but one is bigger and more forgiving in a fight due to mass and ease of use
Thank you sir for sharing and showing us the power of a little 25auto I do not have a Berreta but I have a Browning and a Colt But what actually caught my eye was that big ole blade you pulled out I will never be caught without my ole case sodbuster and my 25 auto,, WE enjoy your video 😊
No, it’s not. A larger caliber will be more lethal in almost every situation. Will 25acp kill, yes, just like 22 will kill. But while the perp is bleeding out he may stab your kid a few more times.
J. Rob. yes but it is a pocket pistol for easy loading and that does not hinder, if someone is stabbing your child make sure you hit the guy in the head.
I had a rabid red fox find its way up to me while i was working under my gf’s car. One .25 round from my colt junior dropped it instantly. Its what i had in my pocket and it solved the issue very effectively.
My bestfriends brother was shot 5 times with a .45 when we were kids. It almost killed him, but I know a man who was shot with a .25 one time and the bullet bounced around in his stomach multiple times. The man who was shot with the .45 walks and talks just fine. The guy who was shot with a .25 still has the bullet inside of him and still feels it to this day. Lethality doesn't have a time frame ;). That being said, a well placed shot to the cranium would've put both of their lights out, regardless of caliber. This argument is so old, did you know that one of the biggest grizzlies in America was shot with a .22? So don't try and tell me that its the calibers fault when you send it at whatever you need dead. I would suggest its operator error before I would suggest its a lack of stopping power.
An AR-15 basically shoots a .22 so the grizzly comparison may need some more elaboration before it's deemed as legitimate. I see your general point though.
@@timmywenn1291 Any sized projectile approaching 500fps and hard enough to penetrate skin can kill if it goes directly into the artery in your neck or leg.
I have shot my Beretta 950 25acp at 2x4's many times, and more often than not, the slug will completely penetrate. Lynn is simply demonstrating the ability of the "lowly" 25 cal to do real damage to a human. We all know a 45 is going to be much more effective....so what...BFD. My biggest handgun is a S&W 460XVR and it will cause a bit of severe damage to anyone getting shot with a 390 grain hard-cast lead projectile. Again, so what? My 460 weighs almost 5 pounds and is hard to carry concealed. My Beretta 950 weighs 10 ounces and almost totally disappears when I carry it.
I don't care what they say 25 auto will always always be my favorite cartridge yes I have 9 mm and 45 and all the rest but there's something special about being able to put my little vest-pocket inside my front pocket not print & know that its 100% reliable same thing cannot be said about 22LR I don't care what they say 25acp will always always be my favorite and yes there are very tiny 380s made nowadays but none of them are as small..
My go-to for deep-conceal pocket carry is a Kel-Tec P32, but my newly-acquired Beretta 950 Jetfire (1964, Italian-made) is definitely smaller and slicker, even more so than the Bobcat featured in this video. My Bauer .25, a stainless Baby Browning clone, is even smaller, but I won't carry it due to its single-action, striker-fired mechanism. I certainly won't disparage anyone who carries any of these in a responsible manner.
@@Just1American1966 I have the Fraser ( Bauer by another name) and it is ok to carry with the safety on in a pocket holster. I had it on me the other day as back up to my duty gun. love that gun and my Beretta 950.
@glennsammon4465 It may be safe. It's just that the part holding the sear is pretty flimsy. I've cocked mine with an empty chamber and beat, slapped, and knocked it around without the striker ever dropping. Did that with a Jennings J22, too. Still, I never have had a need for a gun that small to be on my person. I've not yet ventured out in such minimal clothing that I could conceal the Baur, but nothing larger. ;-)
I accidentally/stupidly fired a .25 round (50 grain FMJ, fired from a Galesi Model 9) inside my house -- fortunately, nobody else was at home at the time. The bullet traveled @20 feet down a hallway, passed through a thick, old-style plaster wall, reinforced with horse hair, supported by a dense metal mesh, though a wooden lath, through a newer gypsum drywall panel in the next room, and lodged in the back of a bookcase adjacent to that wall. Stupid move -- I already admitted that. My point is that the penetration of the .25 bullet was shocking. I'm no expert, but in my understanding, a .22 LR fired from a comparable pistol would probably have hit the plaster wall and bounced dangerously around the hallway a bit before stopping. I don't plan on testing that out.
It really comes down to consistent shot placement Hit your target and even a 22lr is effective also the 25acp has less over penetration than the bigger calibers REMEMBER PEOPLE YOU AS THE SHOOTER ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERY ROUND YOU FIRE ! Sweet pistol it was the first 25 auto that i got to fire a few years back realy liked it .
I have the same pistol . Velocity of 50 gr fmj is usually around 750-800 fps from this pistol. Buffalo Bore now has a 50 gr fmj that exits the Beretta at 870 fps and penetrates even better.. they also offer a 55 gr hard cast fn that ru s at around d 830 fps out of the Beretta.
I'd love to see Lehigh Defense adapt their .32 ACP Cavitator round to a .25 ACP round (perhaps in 40 grain like the XTP). If you could guarantee 12" of penetration in Gel with something other than FMJ, that would be a BIG IMPROVEMENT in stopping power (even at 50 ft/lbs of energy).
Lynn, proponents of .25 Auto might be interested to know the SAMMI max avg pressure is 25,000 PSI, while the .45 Colt is 14,000 PSI and .45 Auto at 21,500 PSI. The little cartridge is nothing to look down upon! BTW,,,love your Cold Steel products! I have one of your Japanese Kobuns from way back, and a Trail Master I inherited from my younger brother when he passed away in 2003. That knife has sat in the safe all this time and will pass it on to my grandson!!!!! Thanks for the video and your self defense products.
Thank you, Lynn Thompson! When I worked for the NRA years ago, many dozens of citizen self defense stories crossed my desk, and I can't think of a single one where it was unsuccessful. In fact, most of them ended in the deaths of the assailants. Then I read the drivel by people like Jeff Cooper saying, don't shoot bad guys-they might get mad and do you harm! Hahaha! Or,-you're better off with a fly swatter! Ha ha! I still see crap like that, all due respect to your supurb Gunsite folder. The problem is, people like Chairman Cooper shoot off their mouths, and people, with no working data, repeat it. I guess in a way that's good; otherwise, that little pistol you're holding (and others) would most likely be far more expensive than they are. The 25acp is a great gun and can put a lot of lead in the air. If the gun was not efficient, we'd see far more stories of its failures.
My friend has Taurus 25 cal, I just discovered 25 cal exists. Despite the critics it seems like a solid firearm. I personally own a Ruger 357 GP100, the 25 cal has a unique sound.
The gun you'll carry is the best choice. I always have my Ruger .380 on me. Mowing the lawn, taking out the garbage, under the truck.....It's always in my pocket.
Vasily Blokhin of the USSR holds the world record for most executions by a single individual. He executed over 7000 polish officers in 28 days with a Walther model 2 25 acp pistol.
I have a Brazilian made 950B. The ..25 acp is a reliable feeding cartridge. A great, reliable gun at 10 ounces unloaded. Great for deep concealment at bad breath distances. That said, my Kahr .380 is of the same weight unloaded, takes up the same general amount of space, delivering a far more powerful payload. The Kahr can be ammo sensitive due to the steep feedramp, but the use of conical bullets like the Hornady XTP remedies this. Still, I love the Beretta 950B.
I luv my 21A Bobcat 25acp. Even better when I discovered Mec-Gar makes a 9 round magazine for it. 9+1 in a mouser!! What's the difference(s) between model 20 and 21A ?? Thanks
That is why I love the .25 ACP, compact, easy to shoot and reliable if you ask me. That added to the fact here in Mexico is the third biggest cartridge a lawful civilian can get. Yup, .380 is the top, 9mm and higher are illegal for civilians. I hope at least the 9mm turns legal somewhen.
@@kylebradley3 Yeah it's at the armory of Secretaría de la Defensa Nacional, which is in Mexico City. That means if you live in for example Yucatán or Baja California you could maybe buy another gun just with your travel expenses. And all of this because president Díaz Ordaz back in the day was afraid of the people and decided to disarm them.
Any gun is fine more nearly 90% of situations. Getting robbed, breakins, bullies. All close quarter stuff. The average thug doesn't know weapons well and the sound of any gun will back them down and all will be afraid of getting hit. No criminal says "haha thats a 25 caliber, let me just walk right thru it"... I just hate these gun buff asshole comments. A 25 will kill you, and no one wants to get shot period.
I daily carry the ruger lcp 1 with a rubber grip and the 7 round mag and I whole heartedly agree that the gun you carry is much more effective then the one in the car or at home.
Any gun can kill. It is all about shot placement. Smaller calibers are just much more dependent on shot placement than larger calibers. I saw a guy recently who was shot by a 25 ACP. Thin guy, entered his flank on the side, passed through about 8 inches of muscle, hit a lumbar transverse process cracking it and came to rest indenting the inferior vena cava, jammed between it and the lumbar vertebral body. Knocked out a nerve root leaving him with some leg weakness, but he lived. A slightly larger caliber would have punctured the vena cava and massive bleeding might have killed him before he could get to the hospital.
Love me some Beretta Jetfire 950 in .25 acp. I have an Inox one. One thing I'm going to do with mine is stop carrying hollow points in it. Right now, I have a mix of solids and HPs, but I'm going with all solids in the future. Too much evidence out there now of relatively poor performance from a lot of hollow-point .25 acp rounds.
For a small ultra compact pistol a .25 ACP is hard to beat combined with a knife. You can always manage to carry both in places where you can't a larger handgun and no knife. I always favored and have two Beretta 950BS Jetfires one in blue and the other stainless. They never jam unlike the Beretta 21A Bobcat .22LR version and are also 1 more round and smaller. I own 1 blued 21A Bobcat and 4 stainless 21A Bobcats as well. Always preferred the 950BS Jetfires in .25 ACP for self defense on humans. The .22LRs are just cheaper to shoot and for shooting vermin pests while mowing lawn and walking around on my property.
Buffalo Bore now offers 2 25 acp Loads. A 50 gr ball that leaves the barrel of a Model 20 at 879 fps and a 55 gr hard cast fn that exits at around 825 fps, both giving better penetration than the standard 50 gr ball load. I have a Beretta 20, and it is a pocket full of firepower, fast into action. I have older 25acp pistols dating back to the Colt 1908, to the last model Colt 25 auto, produced from 1970-73, with over 100,000 of them produced in that short time. Also have the Astra made in Spain for Colt Junior, blocked from importation in 1968.
I’m a big 45 ACP fanboy, but I’d most certainly rather have a 25 ACP than no gun at all. That bullet may be small, but it’s gonna do a lot more damage to the bad guy than just a fist.
Almost 19 years after 9-11 and there are thousands and thousands of Americans with actual combat experience and for some reason people think he is an authority on gunfights?
I got my wife a Beretta Bobcat 21A 22LR -used, (about $300, really can't remember ) I love that gun ! You can carry it starting in double action with the safe off {or on} , or carry it cocked & locked single action. 7 or 8 +1
I believe that the US military deemed that a 1/2" pine board was the minimum for lethality not 1". That makes the little 25acp look even better. Obviously most other calibers are better, but this can and will kill you if put your shots in the right place.
Shoot placement is the most important when it comes to stopping and attacker. Stopping power is a myth. I personally carry a Smith & Wesson Model 36 in 38 Special +P.
I don't get the concepts of stopping and lethality. Drowning is lethal, but do I want to drown people? From a stopping standpoint I would say pepper spray works better than a gun.
I have a question: Mr Thompson said that this gun had high lethality but llow stopping power; What does that mean exactly. I know next to nothing about guns (knife guy, Black Talon II owner) but I'd like to fix that. Is there a good website for reading up on gun terms that anyone knows of? :)
Void Whisperer A caliber this small (along with most pistol calibers) are only going to be lethal towards the head. Anywhere else and it will take someone quite a decent time to bleed out, if they do at all, but when he's talking about lethality here, he means whether it will penetrate someone's skull or not. Stopping power is generally defined as having enough force on impact to incapacitate a human with a single shot. As far as handguns are concerned, it's something of a played-out cliche that doesn't exist in reality (at least until you get into much more powerful rounds like the .454 Casull which isn't suitable for concealed carry anyway), but people like to cling to it I assume because of movies, video games, etc. But a good place to go here on TH-cam is hickok45. He's very knowledgable and makes an eclectic range of content for people who never held a gun to those of us that were born with a holster on our hip. Other than that, just search around. There are plenty of different people willing to give you plenty of different perspectives. There's always a debate going on in the community. Not exactly conducive to learning but, it is a lot of fun. Good luck though.
Thank you for both the explanation and the tip to look up hickok45. I'm going to go through his gun videos in a moment. In Sweden handguns are illegal so unlike some of my friends across the pond I've not grown up around them and lack any knowledge of the fundamentals. Thanks yet again. :)
"Stopping power" and especially "knockdown power" are myths partially fueled by TV and cinema. The guy doing this video should have never even used the expression. I'm sure he meant that while the 25 can kill you, it might not kill you instantly if you were attacking someone that shot you with it,...that's basically what he probably meant by what you quoted he said.
How are those myths? Are you trying to tell me that if I shoot someone with 7.62x54R in the stomach they won't fall down? If I shoot someone in the stomach with a 9mm they would very likely just want to kill me more than they already did.
I've always taken the train of thought that there are two kinds of people who carry. Those who seek to end threats and those that seek to escape threats. The smaller calibers excel at doing the second and can perform the first with proper shot placement.
In short barrel pocket pistols.22 Lr hyper velocity and 25 acp are equal power wise..BUT the 25 ACP with its full metal jacket bullet penetrates hard barriers much much better than 22 long rifle hence the 25 is much better for self-defense and can penetrate the skull of a perpetrator
The most important quality of any gun is that it goes BANG every time you squeeze the trigger. I think these "mouse" guns are super cool, and I'd have no issues at all carrying one for protection.
Whatever your shooting out of that Beretta is awesome. It sounds almost suppressed. I think 25 in a Beretta is definitely way better than anything cheaper in just about any cal. Seriously. Those Berettas are very reliable. You can blab and cry about any other caliber just because you don't use it so what people can use what they want. That's why it's available. Thanks for the video
I like informational videos like this. I was confused looking on forums about these when the same kind of people will knock on 9mm or whatever else "45 acp is a man's round" kind people
What's interesting (well, maybe "interesting" is the wrong word) is all this talk about "The 25/32/380 etc. is only good for a backup gun." Brother, my back up gun is either a Glock 17 in my bag or a Benelli shotgun or a rifle (take your pick) in the trunk or behind the door. My primary is usually a 9mm (Glock 43, anyone?) but sometimes its a J-frame 28 or a Seecamp .32. Back years ago I used to carry an Iver Johnson TP 22, a cheap copy of the Walther TPH. (It also came in 25 caliber, as did the TPH) I carried Stingers in it and practiced with it a lot -- so much that I could hit paper plates at 25 yards. Got a lot of grief from guys who boasted on their 44s, 45s, etc. Half the time, though, those guns were at home in the safe or in the glove box. Lynn is right -- it is the gun you got on you. I'll add one more to that: Sometimes it's the gun you pick up on the battlefield or at the scene of the shooting (as if there's a difference). Like Musashi said, don't have a favorite weapon; be proficient with them all. Neat video. Now let's see a cool knife video! Haha!
People keep bashing .25 acp , the fact is, It was designed by john Browning to be a last ditch very close distance defensive cartridge from a vest gun platform. I keep watching "experts" such as the very Paul Harrel himself conducting ballistic "tests" at 7 + yards ... they are all misguided...The 25 was designed to shoot at the face of an attacker at distances less than 1 meter (1.1 yards) and even closer ... In what situations ? When a kidnapper grabs the arm of a lady or a perp wants to stab you at close... Last ditch is the keyword here ... You don´t want to remove a thorn from your finger with power tools, you get some swiss army knife teezers instead, you gotta have the right tool for the right job. Since Lynn Thompson has REAL SELF DEFENSE EXPERIENCE and background, he knows exactly the potential of the tiny but effective .25 . If you keep watching videos of armed robbers and kidnappers being shot at , they all flee when the victims responds with fire, they don´t stay to duel "last man standing" kind of way, they don´t care and they don´t know if you are firing a 500 S&W or a .25 they just want to get out of there fast ... The other thing is, if you can´t hit mark accurately at two feet of distance, then you´re dead from the start... That´s why seecamps do not sport any kind of sights, because it was designed to be fired at point blank as all "mouse gun calibers" are ...
Hello sir! I hope you can help me! I need replacement slide and parts for a Lorcin .25,,,, can you help me!??? I loved this gun,,,would like it to perform again. Any help is appreciated ☺️
I have the Raven MP-25 auto with Critical Defense rounds (hollow point with wax tip) in hit, it’s ran flawlessly for years now and I still carry it for self defense when I need a pocket pistol. I guarantee my 6 shots will drop someone and kill or make them rethink their life decisions.
That was actually really informative and enjoyable to watch, I personally would like to see The edc blade(s) of everyone involved in the video make an appearance
i owned the beretta 21a bobcat in .22lr i absolutely loved that gun extremely compact but not so sm i chouldnt shoot it comfortably and it was very accurate btw , loaded with a clip of cci stingers or the new aguilla supermaximum hyper velocity rounds and id say u had a heck of a concealed carry option ... unless you expect to come up against commados in body armour or maybe charged by a kodiak bear
I like your closing statement. Everyone wants to Protect themselves....as Long as it DOESN'T Inconvenience them...... How much is your LIFE worth to you? Mine is Worth carrying a firearm Capable of doing just that.
I got the 22lr version. I'm so happy I did. Man it's awesome. I wish it wouldn't be so fickle with ammo. It only functions good with cci stinger. rem thunderbolts are okay but it hates winchester, and most other brands.
I probably would never carry a 25acp mouse gun for self defense, but honestly, I'd love a 25acp chambered straight blowback copy of a Bergmann with a 6" barrel for shooting varmints around a farm or just for plinking.
OMG, mr. Lynn, i love and respect you so much!!! I have so many Cold Steel knifes, i do not know the number! I ordered Spector Hawkbill and if you can just tell me what do you think about it!!!?? Please!!!
What is the ballistic coefficient of the type of the wood at the ambient temperature and moisture content as compared to the average human skull at the same parameters that the bullet goes through like "spaghetti?"
wow....before the shooting the .25 I thought it wouldn't penetrate the first board. Surprised the shut out of me. Also, what kind of trauma or damage would that caliber do to the human body or would it over travel through the human body?
The only US Serviceman POW to escape the North Vietnamese used that same Beretta to dispatch three communist captors. He then picked up one of their AKs and killed the other two.
Man brotha I'm not knocking 25's.. but the generation I came up in.. when we went to war all we had was 22's, 25's, 380's, if u lucky a 9 mm. 38 or shotgun. Then we up graded to 40's..45's ak's, sks's ar's 357's 44's semi autos with extendeds... but at the end of the day.. 25's and 22's.. didnt stop nobody unless they got shot in the face head or neck.. and even then I know 4 people who got shot in all of the above and not only still lived but still kept fighting moving around and shooting after they got hit.. so please stop telling people they can count they life on a 25
22 long rifle and caliber pistols in 25 auto,carried them for a back up,but also they have a purpose against rapid animals that sometimes we have to stop and they were excellent for those situations,?our normal carry sidearm was a 357 magnum caliber revolver, but a 32 ,25 , 22 caliber was adequate
In my former LEO career, I've seen 3 people DRT from a .25 to the noggin. One officer I knew was hit in the vest and swore it felt like a boxer's punch (the round went through a ton of stuff in his pocket, hit the vest at an angle, ran along it, tore through the edge where it overlapped (none of our vests fit back then) and cut the crap out of his side. .25 will stop if you put it where it counts. A .44 magnum won't stop if you don't put it where it matters.
Practice. Practice. Practice. Know your weapon. Know your ammo. Know your holster. Watch your surroundings. Try like heck to stay out of a dangerous conflict. Bigger guns don't help you if your ignorant and stupid.
AMEN
I don’t know what DRT is but I’m guessing it did the job
@@lukehorning3404 - Sorry. It means Dead Right There, i.e. dropped immediately, didn't move, twitch, or continue any hostile action.
I agree whole-heartedly with your closing statement - the gun you CARRY is infinitely superior to the one you leave home / in the car. Due to weight / convenience issues , I constantly found myself NOT carrying my full size pistol , then not the compact and finally not the sub-compact one either...I found these "mouse guns" as others called them , a BREEZE to conceal and actually CARRY under ANY situation. My wife agrees as well , so we are both converts to 25 cal carry. NO - it is NOT a long range or competition gun - that's NOT what it's designed for...it IS a perfect up close and personal save your bacon defense pistol...and we both love it. The tilt up barrel is a super cool bonus that makes loading the pistol the easiest there is !! Thanks for posting this vid !!
380 acp guns are being made the same size and lighter with polymer frames also 22lr micro pistols have the same performance and with modern ammunition are just as reliable now which is why 25acp became obsolete and which is why it's so expensive. 22lr gets a bad reputation for reliability because of the Saturday Night Special type guns that were using it at the high of the micro pistol popularity. Thoes days are over
European ammo is a little hotter 25,32,380acp and 9mm than the US loads
Easy to carry shoots straight so I bought a ph 25a headed to the range today to see if I could carry as a sweat pants gun. Always have my g42
With me but I enjoy different firearms and variety in everything.
Like 22lr pistols, have a Smith and victory for target best pistol I ever owned. But rimfire can fail so I am going to try the smallest center fire for myself and I might even choose to add to my carry collection. Open mind is a good thing!
Lynn Thompson should create a TH-cam channel disassociated from Cold Steel let him promote the hell out of Cold Steel but I think a channel dedicated to just Thompson being Thompson would be fantastically entertaining and be at Liberty to come out with any form of video content he desires. there is a lot of people that hate on Mr.Thompson and I would be lying if I said all of their arguments are baseless( most of it is just talking crap) but with that said Lynn Thompson is one of my idols. Self Made American businessman who is also a badass and has the video evidence to prove it.
John Browning invented the .25 ACP,
.32 ACP and the .380 ACP. That's good enough for me.
Amen
And .45
@@brettkelly4575 45...is an american concept ( twin 45 LC in auto...). 25/32/380 acp are US adaptation of belgian concept 6.35 browning 7.65 browning and 9mm short browning .... Colt adapted in second position ... 45 never called 11,5 browning !!! Lonely french call it 11,43 COLT..since 1917.(and never browning)
@Khetman of the Zaporozhyan Cossack Host maybe 9x18 is german origin but 9x17..or 9mm kurtz browning alias 380 acp is belgian american .....9x18 desigbed 9mm ultra or 8mm police.. is maybee german... but cousin of 9x18 russian (makarov)
@Khetman of the Zaporozhyan Cossack Host german 9x19 (luger): 450/550 joules......9x18 ultra : 300/330 joules......9x17 browning.....195/230 joules......(variation because Ammo reference or barrel lenght)
Oddly enough all those who claim the .25 ACP is completely useless always have something very important to do elsewhere when I suggest they stand in front of one and take a few "harmless" bullets.
@MrCaptainkirk1984 Would you like to make it a two way range and bet that you can stop someone from filling you in like a pencil?
Any bullet can kill but that doesn't mean it's a good choice for defense. The only combative use of these pistols that I can see is if you were trying to assassinate someone. They are very small/concealable as well as quiet for a firearm. If you need to shoot someone in the head at close range it's a good choice lol. But if you actually need to defend yourself there are too many variables that render these weapons a poor choice. What if you need to shoot through a barrier like a window/windshield or your attacker is more than a 10 feet away or even if they are wearing a heavy jacket? With how many amazing options we have these days for small easily concealable 9mm, .380 and .40 cal hand guns I do not see the point of carrying anything smaller than a .380. My walther is not that much bigger than one of these in a practical sense, has a better capacity and is much more powerful. And you can get a glock 26 that is even smaller. If you absolutely cannot stand carrying something as big as a 26 then this would be better than nothing, is absolutely still deadly and is easy to carry. But I would prefer to trust my life to something that is proven to be more effective in more situations yet is still easy to carry. The question isn't "will it kill someone?" it's "how fast will this stop the threat?".
25 acp is one of best round of worrld....CREATE BY AMERICAN GENIUS J.M BROWNING,,, for 2 and half inch barrel of his baby....probe of browning himself....+ one century later with technology progress i can enumerate two Rounds serious ( 35gr or over)in this caliber able to upgrade THE WONDERFUL QUARTER. ) 1) IN FIRST Fiocchi XTP 35 grs speed 1029 ft /s 83 ft lbs inceease really perf used in Italian Israel and Russian Secret Service exist in civil 900fps 63ft lb 2) cor bon 34grs 1100 ft s..... 94 ft lb in civil market ..avoid it in light alloy frame slide of i expensive gun ( style raven....) but in Baby or Bauer its awesome round......... ps classic 50grs original 25acp considerate like powerful travel during his first yard around 210 m/s (690 fps) for 55 or 60 ftlb... at this level 25 acp save dozen of owners and filled lot of cemetery places,,,,, underestimate this round is one evidence of bad weaponery knoledge
I wouldn't want to be shot with a nailgun but I wouldn't carry one for self defense
@@greenbrickbox3392 if they had compact nail guns with high speed I would carry one better than nothing.
There's been a lot of people killed with a .25. If three or four rounds of .25 acp doesn't kill and assailant, I would definitely say that their priorities would change with a quickness...
7+1 in the pipe of some hot .25 acp is plenty of firepower in a 1v1 situation especially if you carry a extra mag
I am going to start carrying a .25 acp pocket pistol and a .32 acp pocket pistol in the summer time months.
I am leaving my .22LR pistols at home for plinking & cheap target shooting.
Centerfire ammo primed caliber rounds are way more reliable than rimfire ammo !
@@unitedstatesirie7431 - I wonder how reliable .44 rimfire was in the old west.
Look up the FBI stats, it takes 3-4 rounds even with 9mm. The target will very rarely know they've been shot, they'll hear the bang long before they feel the injury. Even with broken bones people can walk away or fight back, bullet holes are like falling on a sharp stick, unless it hits perfectly right or multiple injuries, you're going to have plenty of time after it to realize the severity of the wound. People walk on broken legs all the time due to adrenaline, don't doubt it.
John M. Browning was America's greatest gun inventor. He invented the .25 auto cartrige and a gun to use it. In past years, I have worked several murder cases where men were shot and killed graveyard dead by a .25 pistol. I also have met many men that I know are dangerous who carried a .25 on them all of the time. It is small, but it can still kill you.
I have 4 fire arms that I use in my 45 + years while "Riding Motorcycles". I have the model 950. It was strongly advised at the time as one of the best hold out pistols to have by the Highway Patrol of my state at the time. It has saved my life while I was on my Harley. Helping me get away from a bad situation. There is no law out in the lone highway. Even in today's world you can get yourself killed for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I swear by the model 950 and still carry it to this day. It has never failed me back then. It won't fail me now.
950?
@@hondaguy425able Beretta Model 950, same pistol in .25, but single action only. Earlier than model 21A.
Agree 100 percent. My little .25 hold out has kept me from getting robbed before, when I couldn't carry my 357. Most people don't care what caliber your gun is when it's pointed at them.
less recoil = more shots on target quicker and with more accuracy
If you have the single action Beretta 950 it's 8+1, the trigger pull is so short you can empty it in no time and with little recoil you stay on target, sure it wouldn't be my go to gun, but I don't believe you couldn't stop someone at close range with several rapid fire hits, it can certainly be fired much faster than larger calibers while there's a delay to get back on target. Worst case I'd rather go hands on with someone with nine 25 acp rounds in them than if they didn't. Great deep concealment backup pistol and much better than nothing in situations where you can't carry anything bigger.
I remember trying to explain that to a guy once, a .25 from a vest pocket or appendix carry will work even sitting & single hand shooting
@Khetman of the Zaporozhyan Cossack Host
Ahhhh man bro... seriously haven't you ever watch South Park where Cartman tells Butters that's just not cool you don't shoot a man in the dick?? Haha Im just messing around.. if someone does something stupid enough words of physical threat to you you do whatever you need to do it is funny though right??
@Khetman of the Zaporozhyan Cossack Host hahah fuk ummm they picked the wrong guy soo they get what they deserve.. make sure the Scumbag doesn't get to piss standing up anymore... hahahahaha you get to turn him into a little girl... it's a doggy dog world soo I hear you my friend its better him than you right?
@@zzxxooooxxzz4964 *facepalm*
A "doggy dog world"? Really? You're one of those people who says "for all intensive purposes", right?
I have a Beretta minx in 22 short and was surprised at its ability to penetrate 1.25 inch seven ply plywood at ten yards , I use only
Eley primed Aguila as the primer hit is light and keep the barrel clean ,very small gun and mine is very accurate and easy to carry
Many butchers I knew used 22's or 25 ACP to dispatch cattle and hogs. Know several deputies that carry a 25ACP in their jeans off duty and as backups. Close range and shot placement are the key. One of these under an armpit or to the head will definitely cause considerable damage.
It doesnt even need to be an armpit. .25 has sufficient power to penetrate to the lungs and heart from a frontal center mass hit. Larger calibers are able to do so more reliably while also causing some more shock and bone fragmentation and such but id not want to be shot with even a pellet gun. All guns are deadly
guy carries a little gun but did you see the size of that knife,
He's the founder of Cold Steel.
GunsNBudder 😂
You clearly haven't seen his main EDC knife😂
That landscape was covered with kunai grass. Yesterday.
Someone was starting to eat fresh greens.
I like the little jet fire in .25acp but my favorite little carry gun is the 3032 Tomcat in .32acp. You pop them in the solar plexus a couple of times, they tend to cut it out. You put one in the snot locker, and they shut right down. Little guns work just fine, if you know what you're doing with them.
I carry either a Beretta model 20 (25 ACP) or Beretta Tomcat (32 ACP), both loaded with hollow point ammo. They are small enough to carry without any "bulge", and both mags hold 7 rds. An added plus is the "tilt-up" barrel, which allows loading a bullet directly into the chamber without "racking" the pistol. Like the video says - "Better a 25 in the pocket, than a 45 in the glove compartment."
Get this is 2 years ago.. however.. should you ever read this dont carry hollow points. In diminutive calibers like 25 FMJ are MUCH more effective. Expansion in a 3 inch barrel or smaller gun is virtually nonexsistent. In fact it LIMITS penetration which is what you want MUCH more than expansion when firing a 50 grain bullet. Ditch the hollow points use FMJ.
.25 ACP FMJ is not only more effective than hollow point, it feeds more reliably, especially in a Beretta 950.
@@jakebaker4504 I get this is 2 years ago but ditch the FMJs and get flat nosed hardcast ammo. The flat tip with smash a straight line through the target causing more damage rather then FMJs which tends to slip through the flesh and deflect in random directions.
Not to mention James Bond loved his Beretta 6.35 mm with sawn barrel and taped grips,carried in a clamshell shoulder holster. He tried to smuggle it out with him even after the pesky Major Boothroyd and M forced a Walther PPK in 7.62 mm (yeah,that’s a real stopper all right,said the Man with the Golden Gun). FYI,the 6.35 mm is the European designation for the .25ACP, and 7.62 mm is the .32 ACP. Love those old Euro pocket guns,they put the special in Saturday Night Special.
It's 7,65 mm, not 7,62.
32acp is 7.65x17mm
Fleming carried a Colt 1908 .25 during the war, it was issued to him and he got to keep it after the war. He took it with him yearly to Jamaica. That is why he thought a .25 was just a dandy carry gun for his James Bond. He liked the look of Beretta in print.
Fleming was not as much of a firearm authority as thought. He referred to the clamshell upside down holster for the 25 as a Berns /Martin holster. That holster later duplicated by Bianchi as their 9r was for small and mid size revolvers. I have several and one of them is used for what Bond used his for, a Colt 38 Detective .
The acoustics during the firing sequence were odd. It had a comical zap sound to it.
Nice gun
Personally I prefer 45 acp, However, I know a man that was shot behind the right ear with a 25 acp, and it exited the upper left side of his head. He is no longer with us. Sooo, you can say what you want, about the Lethality of this round. But It will kill a man,, PERIOD !!!!
Dragon Slayer No one is questioning the .25 ACP's lethality. As stated, it will most certainly kill and do so quickly if placed in the heart or brain. The problem is most people don't have the expertise to consistently hit those places under stress and remain calm. It's like a pocket knife vs. a machete; both will kill but one is bigger and more forgiving in a fight due to mass and ease of use
I'd prefer a .45 acp too if I couldn't aim worth a shit
I think he's referring to close in 'work'... at that range its personal..
Thank you sir for sharing and showing us the power of a little 25auto I do not have a Berreta but I have a Browning and a Colt But what actually caught my eye was that big ole blade you pulled out I will never be caught without my ole case sodbuster and my 25 auto,, WE enjoy your video 😊
stopping power is a myth. shot placement is everything.
No, it’s not. A larger caliber will be more lethal in almost every situation. Will 25acp kill, yes, just like 22 will kill. But while the perp is bleeding out he may stab your kid a few more times.
J. Rob. yes but it is a pocket pistol for easy loading and that does not hinder, if someone is stabbing your child make sure you hit the guy in the head.
J. Rob. And like the pistol of the video there is one with the same size and same capacity and it is .32 cal, is the 3032 Tomcat.
357 is a fast bullet. It goes right into a mans shoulder and into a bystander behind the perp.
if yu have good skills You don't miss.
I had a rabid red fox find its way up to me while i was working under my gf’s car. One .25 round from my colt junior dropped it instantly. Its what i had in my pocket and it solved the issue very effectively.
My bestfriends brother was shot 5 times with a .45 when we were kids. It almost killed him, but I know a man who was shot with a .25 one time and the bullet bounced around in his stomach multiple times. The man who was shot with the .45 walks and talks just fine. The guy who was shot with a .25 still has the bullet inside of him and still feels it to this day. Lethality doesn't have a time frame ;). That being said, a well placed shot to the cranium would've put both of their lights out, regardless of caliber. This argument is so old, did you know that one of the biggest grizzlies in America was shot with a .22? So don't try and tell me that its the calibers fault when you send it at whatever you need dead. I would suggest its operator error before I would suggest its a lack of stopping power.
An AR-15 basically shoots a .22 so the grizzly comparison may need some more elaboration before it's deemed as legitimate. I see your general point though.
James Dean .......bullets don't bounce around in abdomens.....science.
Any gun can kill with shot placement
@@animalmother556x45 If they are small/slow enough to be redirected by the spine/ ribs they do.
@@timmywenn1291 Any sized projectile approaching 500fps and hard enough to penetrate skin can kill if it goes directly into the artery in your neck or leg.
I have shot my Beretta 950 25acp at 2x4's many times, and more often than not, the slug will completely penetrate. Lynn is simply demonstrating the ability of the "lowly" 25 cal to do real damage to a human. We all know a 45 is going to be much more effective....so what...BFD. My biggest handgun is a S&W 460XVR and it will cause a bit of severe damage to anyone getting shot with a 390 grain hard-cast lead projectile. Again, so what? My 460 weighs almost 5 pounds and is hard to carry concealed. My Beretta 950 weighs 10 ounces and almost totally disappears when I carry it.
I don't care what they say 25 auto will always always be my favorite cartridge yes I have 9 mm and 45 and all the rest but there's something special about being able to put my little vest-pocket inside my front pocket not print & know that its 100% reliable same thing cannot be said about 22LR I don't care what they say 25acp will always always be my favorite and yes there are very tiny 380s made nowadays but none of them are as small..
My go-to for deep-conceal pocket carry is a Kel-Tec P32, but my newly-acquired Beretta 950 Jetfire (1964, Italian-made) is definitely smaller and slicker, even more so than the Bobcat featured in this video. My Bauer .25, a stainless Baby Browning clone, is even smaller, but I won't carry it due to its single-action, striker-fired mechanism. I certainly won't disparage anyone who carries any of these in a responsible manner.
@@Just1American1966 I have the Fraser ( Bauer by another name) and it is ok to carry with the safety on in a pocket holster. I had it on me the other day as back up to my duty gun. love that gun and my Beretta 950.
@glennsammon4465
It may be safe. It's just that the part holding the sear is pretty flimsy. I've cocked mine with an empty chamber and beat, slapped, and knocked it around without the striker ever dropping. Did that with a Jennings J22, too. Still, I never have had a need for a gun that small to be on my person. I've not yet ventured out in such minimal clothing that I could conceal the Baur, but nothing larger. ;-)
@@Just1American1966 I did that to mine as well, and it wouldn't trip off. well to each his own. God bless and stay safe.
@@glennsammon4465
He has, and I am. Thank you. ;-)
I love that it actually goes “pew”
^this
I accidentally/stupidly fired a .25 round (50 grain FMJ, fired from a Galesi Model 9) inside my house -- fortunately, nobody else was at home at the time. The bullet traveled @20 feet down a hallway, passed through a thick, old-style plaster wall, reinforced with horse hair, supported by a dense metal mesh, though a wooden lath, through a newer gypsum drywall panel in the next room, and lodged in the back of a bookcase adjacent to that wall. Stupid move -- I already admitted that. My point is that the penetration of the .25 bullet was shocking. I'm no expert, but in my understanding, a .22 LR fired from a comparable pistol would probably have hit the plaster wall and bounced dangerously around the hallway a bit before stopping. I don't plan on testing that out.
It really comes down to consistent shot placement Hit your target and even a 22lr is effective also the 25acp has less over penetration than the bigger calibers REMEMBER PEOPLE YOU AS THE SHOOTER ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERY ROUND YOU FIRE ! Sweet pistol it was the first 25 auto that i got to fire a few years back realy liked it .
I'd rather have a saturday night special 25 auto, than nothing.
Speaking of which skynerd knew what he was talking about in that song
@@ezekielglenn5009 skynard😂😂😂that was their high school gym teacher. That’s who they named the band after I believe
I have the same pistol . Velocity of 50 gr fmj is usually around 750-800 fps from this pistol. Buffalo Bore now has a 50 gr fmj that exits the Beretta at 870 fps and penetrates even better.. they also offer a 55 gr hard cast fn that ru s at around d 830 fps out of the Beretta.
I'd love to see Lehigh Defense adapt their .32 ACP Cavitator round to a .25 ACP round (perhaps in 40 grain like the XTP). If you could guarantee 12" of penetration in Gel with something other than FMJ, that would be a BIG IMPROVEMENT in stopping power (even at 50 ft/lbs of energy).
I have been pushing for a 55 gr hard cast flat point at 900 fps plus from a 2 inch barrel.
Lynn, proponents of .25 Auto might be interested to know the SAMMI max avg pressure is 25,000 PSI, while the .45 Colt is 14,000 PSI and .45 Auto at 21,500 PSI. The little cartridge is nothing to look down upon!
BTW,,,love your Cold Steel products! I have one of your Japanese Kobuns from way back, and a Trail Master I inherited from my younger brother when he passed away in 2003. That knife has sat in the safe all this time and will pass it on to my grandson!!!!!
Thanks for the video and your self defense products.
Once you mess around with your 45 acp gun you can get it to run 45 super which is fucking cool as well. Easy to find if you reload
Thank you, Lynn Thompson! When I worked for the NRA years ago, many dozens of citizen self defense stories crossed my desk, and I can't think of a single one where it was unsuccessful. In fact, most of them ended in the deaths of the assailants. Then I read the drivel by people like Jeff Cooper saying, don't shoot bad guys-they might get mad and do you harm! Hahaha! Or,-you're better off with a fly swatter! Ha ha!
I still see crap like that, all due respect to your supurb Gunsite folder.
The problem is, people like Chairman Cooper shoot off their mouths, and people, with no working data, repeat it. I guess in a way that's good; otherwise, that little pistol you're holding (and others) would most likely be far more expensive than they are.
The 25acp is a great gun and can put a lot of lead in the air. If the gun was not efficient, we'd see far more stories of its failures.
My friend has Taurus 25 cal, I just discovered 25 cal exists. Despite the critics it seems like a solid firearm. I personally own a Ruger 357 GP100, the 25 cal has a unique sound.
The gun you'll carry is the best choice. I always have my Ruger .380 on me. Mowing the lawn, taking out the garbage, under the truck.....It's always in my pocket.
Vasily Blokhin of the USSR holds the world record for most executions by a single individual. He executed over 7000 polish officers in 28 days with a Walther model 2 25 acp pistol.
I have a Brazilian made 950B. The ..25 acp is a reliable feeding cartridge. A great, reliable gun at 10 ounces unloaded. Great for deep concealment at bad breath distances.
That said, my Kahr .380 is of the same weight unloaded, takes up the same general amount of space, delivering a far more powerful payload. The Kahr can be ammo sensitive due to the steep feedramp, but the use of conical bullets like the Hornady XTP remedies this.
Still, I love the Beretta 950B.
Putting 9 shots of 22 or 25 in anybody will be = to a single shotgun blast.
2 shots of .25 is equivalent to 1 shot of 9mm
One of my older friends got hit in his back with a 22 it came out the front of his throat
Home stead did he die
I luv my 21A Bobcat 25acp. Even better when I discovered Mec-Gar makes a 9 round magazine for it. 9+1 in a mouser!!
What's the difference(s) between model 20 and 21A ?? Thanks
This gun has the sniffles.
The Papasha was called the Burp Gun, why not the Sneeze Gun for that Junior Beretta? :D
lol
lol
Sounds like a poodle barking!
It sounded like a small barking dog. With a dry throat.
That is why I love the .25 ACP, compact, easy to shoot and reliable if you ask me. That added to the fact here in Mexico is the third biggest cartridge a lawful civilian can get. Yup, .380 is the top, 9mm and higher are illegal for civilians. I hope at least the 9mm turns legal somewhen.
At least your legal in Mexico most people would just buy a dirty gun and keep it hidden
I have a cousin there that owns a glock and a sig, but I think there was only one place you could get them.
@@kylebradley3 Yeah it's at the armory of Secretaría de la Defensa Nacional, which is in Mexico City. That means if you live in for example Yucatán or Baja California you could maybe buy another gun just with your travel expenses. And all of this because president Díaz Ordaz back in the day was afraid of the people and decided to disarm them.
Any gun is fine more nearly 90% of situations. Getting robbed, breakins, bullies. All close quarter stuff. The average thug doesn't know weapons well and the sound of any gun will back them down and all will be afraid of getting hit. No criminal says "haha thats a 25 caliber, let me just walk right thru it"... I just hate these gun buff asshole comments. A 25 will kill you, and no one wants to get shot period.
I daily carry the ruger lcp 1 with a rubber grip and the 7 round mag and I whole heartedly agree that the gun you carry is much more effective then the one in the car or at home.
Kept my grandfather alive. Now I have his seecamp.
One secret to small calibers being effective is never fire just one round.
Exactly. Any gun that is regarded as a poor "one-shot-stopper" is probably a much better "two-shot stopper".
Any gun can kill. It is all about shot placement. Smaller calibers are just much more dependent on shot placement than larger calibers. I saw a guy recently who was shot by a 25 ACP. Thin guy, entered his flank on the side, passed through about 8 inches of muscle, hit a lumbar transverse process cracking it and came to rest indenting the inferior vena cava, jammed between it and the lumbar vertebral body. Knocked out a nerve root leaving him with some leg weakness, but he lived. A slightly larger caliber would have punctured the vena cava and massive bleeding might have killed him before he could get to the hospital.
Love me some Beretta Jetfire 950 in .25 acp. I have an Inox one. One thing I'm going to do with mine is stop carrying hollow points in it. Right now, I have a mix of solids and HPs, but I'm going with all solids in the future. Too much evidence out there now of relatively poor performance from a lot of hollow-point .25 acp rounds.
For a small ultra compact pistol a .25 ACP is hard to beat combined with a knife. You can always manage to carry both in places where you can't a larger handgun and no knife. I always favored and have two Beretta 950BS Jetfires one in blue and the other stainless. They never jam unlike the Beretta 21A Bobcat .22LR version and are also 1 more round and smaller. I own 1 blued 21A Bobcat and 4 stainless 21A Bobcats as well. Always preferred the 950BS Jetfires in .25 ACP for self defense on humans. The .22LRs are just cheaper to shoot and for shooting vermin pests while mowing lawn and walking around on my property.
Buffalo Bore now offers 2 25 acp
Loads. A 50 gr ball that leaves the barrel of a Model 20 at 879 fps and a 55 gr hard cast fn that exits at around 825 fps, both giving better penetration than the standard 50 gr ball load. I have a Beretta 20, and it is a pocket full of firepower, fast into action. I have older 25acp pistols dating back to the Colt 1908, to the last model Colt 25 auto, produced from 1970-73, with over 100,000 of them produced in that short time. Also have the Astra made in Spain for Colt Junior, blocked from importation in 1968.
I’m a big 45 ACP fanboy, but I’d most certainly rather have a 25 ACP than no gun at all. That bullet may be small, but it’s gonna do a lot more damage to the bad guy than just a fist.
the 25 acp is a very viable round. I love my Beretta Jetfire.
Thanks man for the video
wonderful picec
Brertta have a long history
Now,looking for opinions on the 25 Acp,i would have never guessed to find Lynn's
that Voyager xl is one hell of a great knife!
I must agree .25 is not a bad choice.
Beretta .25 was James Bond's favorite pistol. He hated switching for the Walther PPK .380
I hate to break this to you but James Bond is a fictional character.
And the fact that that it was a 7.65
Almost 19 years after 9-11 and there are thousands and thousands of Americans with actual combat experience and for some reason people think he is an authority on gunfights?
I got my wife a Beretta Bobcat 21A 22LR -used, (about $300, really can't remember ) I love that gun ! You can carry it starting in double action with the safe off {or on} , or carry it cocked & locked single action. 7 or 8 +1
I believe that the US military deemed that a 1/2" pine board was the minimum for lethality not 1".
That makes the little 25acp look even better.
Obviously most other calibers are better, but this can and will kill you if put your shots in the right place.
It was 3/4 actually
And even if it doesn't kill, its gonna hurt like a mf so I'd say it's effective at stopping an assailant🤷🏻♂️
Thanks for this! I have this gun. I think I’ll carry it more.
I get to pick one up in 37 hours and 48 minutes, but who’s clock-watching?
Shoot placement is the most important when it comes to stopping and attacker. Stopping power is a myth. I personally carry a Smith & Wesson Model 36 in 38 Special +P.
I don't get the concepts of stopping and lethality. Drowning is lethal, but do I want to drown people?
From a stopping standpoint I would say pepper spray works better than a gun.
The nightstalker used these. A survivor chased him out of his house after being shot in the head
I have a question: Mr Thompson said that this gun had high lethality but llow stopping power; What does that mean exactly. I know next to nothing about guns (knife guy, Black Talon II owner) but I'd like to fix that. Is there a good website for reading up on gun terms that anyone knows of? :)
Void Whisperer with gun knowledge, youtube is a decent place to start.
Void Whisperer A caliber this small (along with most pistol calibers) are only going to be lethal towards the head. Anywhere else and it will take someone quite a decent time to bleed out, if they do at all, but when he's talking about lethality here, he means whether it will penetrate someone's skull or not. Stopping power is generally defined as having enough force on impact to incapacitate a human with a single shot. As far as handguns are concerned, it's something of a played-out cliche that doesn't exist in reality (at least until you get into much more powerful rounds like the .454 Casull which isn't suitable for concealed carry anyway), but people like to cling to it I assume because of movies, video games, etc. But a good place to go here on TH-cam is hickok45. He's very knowledgable and makes an eclectic range of content for people who never held a gun to those of us that were born with a holster on our hip. Other than that, just search around. There are plenty of different people willing to give you plenty of different perspectives. There's always a debate going on in the community. Not exactly conducive to learning but, it is a lot of fun. Good luck though.
Thank you for both the explanation and the tip to look up hickok45. I'm going to go through his gun videos in a moment.
In Sweden handguns are illegal so unlike some of my friends across the pond I've not grown up around them and lack any knowledge of the fundamentals. Thanks yet again. :)
"Stopping power" and especially "knockdown power" are myths partially fueled by TV and cinema. The guy doing this video should have never even used the expression. I'm sure he meant that while the 25 can kill you, it might not kill you instantly if you were attacking someone that shot you with it,...that's basically what he probably meant by what you quoted he said.
How are those myths? Are you trying to tell me that if I shoot someone with 7.62x54R in the stomach they won't fall down? If I shoot someone in the stomach with a 9mm they would very likely just want to kill me more than they already did.
Hello Lynn, I too have had good results Fiocchi .25 Auto. What was the thickness of the boards in your experiment? Thanks for the well-done video.
I've always taken the train of thought that there are two kinds of people who carry. Those who seek to end threats and those that seek to escape threats. The smaller calibers excel at doing the second and can perform the first with proper shot placement.
25 acp and 32 acp are the silent killers that 9mm and .45 acp wish they could be. Bigger is not always better!
In short barrel pocket pistols.22 Lr hyper velocity and 25 acp are equal power wise..BUT the 25 ACP with its full metal jacket bullet penetrates hard barriers much much better than 22 long rifle hence the 25 is much better for self-defense and can penetrate the skull of a perpetrator
The most important quality of any gun is that it goes BANG every time you squeeze the trigger. I think these "mouse" guns are super cool, and I'd have no issues at all carrying one for protection.
Whatever your shooting out of that Beretta is awesome. It sounds almost suppressed. I think 25 in a Beretta is definitely way better than anything cheaper in just about any cal. Seriously. Those Berettas are very reliable. You can blab and cry about any other caliber just because you don't use it so what people can use what they want. That's why it's available. Thanks for the video
I like informational videos like this. I was confused looking on forums about these when the same kind of people will knock on 9mm or whatever else "45 acp is a man's round" kind people
When a .25 ACP was first introduced, a minor wound could be deadly due to lack of antibiotics.
There is a lot of these in South Africa.
many thanks for this video.a lot of power from a 25 acp.Ben.
What's interesting (well, maybe "interesting" is the wrong word) is all this talk about "The 25/32/380 etc. is only good for a backup gun." Brother, my back up gun is either a Glock 17 in my bag or a Benelli shotgun or a rifle (take your pick) in the trunk or behind the door. My primary is usually a 9mm (Glock 43, anyone?) but sometimes its a J-frame 28 or a Seecamp .32.
Back years ago I used to carry an Iver Johnson TP 22, a cheap copy of the Walther TPH. (It also came in 25 caliber, as did the TPH) I carried Stingers in it and practiced with it a lot -- so much that I could hit paper plates at 25 yards. Got a lot of grief from guys who boasted on their 44s, 45s, etc. Half the time, though, those guns were at home in the safe or in the glove box.
Lynn is right -- it is the gun you got on you. I'll add one more to that: Sometimes it's the gun you pick up on the battlefield or at the scene of the shooting (as if there's a difference). Like Musashi said, don't have a favorite weapon; be proficient with them all.
Neat video. Now let's see a cool knife video! Haha!
great vids, keep them up!!!
Got to love Lynn he is a guy that I would like to have a beer with and listen to him talk
Not only double action but single also from what I can see. Like the 92.
People keep bashing .25 acp , the fact is, It was designed by john Browning to be a last ditch very close distance defensive cartridge from a vest gun platform. I keep watching "experts" such as the very Paul Harrel himself conducting ballistic "tests" at 7 + yards ... they are all misguided...The 25 was designed to shoot at the face of an attacker at distances less than 1 meter (1.1 yards) and even closer ... In what situations ? When a kidnapper grabs the arm of a lady or a perp wants to stab you at close... Last ditch is the keyword here ... You don´t want to remove a thorn from your finger with power tools, you get some swiss army knife teezers instead, you gotta have the right tool for the right job. Since Lynn Thompson has REAL SELF DEFENSE EXPERIENCE and background, he knows exactly the potential of the tiny but effective .25 . If you keep watching videos of armed robbers and kidnappers being shot at , they all flee when the victims responds with fire, they don´t stay to duel "last man standing" kind of way, they don´t care and they don´t know if you are firing a 500 S&W or a .25 they just want to get out of there fast ... The other thing is, if you can´t hit mark accurately at two feet of distance, then you´re dead from the start... That´s why seecamps do not sport any kind of sights, because it was designed to be fired at point blank as all "mouse gun calibers" are ...
Thanks for the share. Great video.
Hello sir!
I hope you can help me!
I need replacement slide and parts for a Lorcin .25,,,, can you help me!???
I loved this gun,,,would like it to perform again. Any help is appreciated ☺️
I have the Raven MP-25 auto with Critical Defense rounds (hollow point with wax tip) in hit, it’s ran flawlessly for years now and I still carry it for self defense when I need a pocket pistol. I guarantee my 6 shots will drop someone and kill or make them rethink their life decisions.
That was actually really informative and enjoyable to watch, I personally would like to see The edc blade(s) of everyone involved in the video make an appearance
This video convinced me to buy a 25 acp.
I want a damn full sized .25 ACP, with double stack 30 rounds mags.
The folks who live and harp on capacity should be clamoring for such a gun...and a full size .25 could maybe hold 40+ double stacked...hmm...
I found Speer gold dot does very in 25 and 380 and 22 mag.
i owned the beretta 21a bobcat in .22lr i absolutely loved that gun extremely compact but not so sm i chouldnt shoot it comfortably and it was very accurate btw , loaded with a clip of cci stingers or the new aguilla supermaximum hyper velocity rounds and id say u had a heck of a concealed carry option ... unless you expect to come up against commados in body armour or maybe charged by a kodiak bear
The Grim Sleeper serial killer used a .25 Beretta (Jetfire?).
I like your closing statement. Everyone wants to Protect themselves....as Long as it DOESN'T Inconvenience them......
How much is your LIFE worth to you? Mine is Worth carrying a firearm Capable of doing just that.
I got the 22lr version. I'm so happy I did. Man it's awesome. I wish it wouldn't be so fickle with ammo. It only functions good with cci stinger. rem thunderbolts are okay but it hates winchester, and most other brands.
Great Video Lynn!
Love my baby browning 25. Plus it's invisible.
I probably would never carry a 25acp mouse gun for self defense, but honestly, I'd love a 25acp chambered straight blowback copy of a Bergmann with a 6" barrel for shooting varmints around a farm or just for plinking.
Nice Sound 👍
Jesus i started laughing my ass off when i heard the sound of the shots
OMG, mr. Lynn, i love and respect you so much!!! I have so many Cold Steel knifes, i do not know the number! I ordered Spector Hawkbill and if you can just tell me what do you think about it!!!?? Please!!!
What is the ballistic coefficient of the type of the wood at the ambient temperature and moisture content as compared to the average human skull at the same parameters that the bullet goes through like "spaghetti?"
wow....before the shooting the .25 I thought it wouldn't penetrate the first board. Surprised the shut out of me. Also, what kind of trauma or damage would that caliber do to the human body or would it over travel through the human body?
wow! 3 years old now. not sure how ive missed this video but this should have been the end of the caliber debate.
The only US Serviceman POW to escape the North Vietnamese used that same Beretta to dispatch three communist captors. He then picked up one of their AKs and killed the other two.
Man brotha I'm not knocking 25's.. but the generation I came up in.. when we went to war all we had was 22's, 25's, 380's, if u lucky a 9 mm. 38 or shotgun. Then we up graded to 40's..45's ak's, sks's ar's 357's 44's semi autos with extendeds... but at the end of the day.. 25's and 22's.. didnt stop nobody unless they got shot in the face head or neck.. and even then I know 4 people who got shot in all of the above and not only still lived but still kept fighting moving around and shooting after they got hit.. so please stop telling people they can count they life on a 25
what kind of wood is it?
that's what I was wondering too...he said pine. that's pretty soft wood.
+Aaron cammon not softer than flesh
+csknives Ok
It's the old US army standard, and it's half inch pine.
+Anon Ymous its 1 inch pine
22 long rifle and caliber pistols in 25 auto,carried them for a back up,but also they have a purpose against rapid animals that sometimes we have to stop and they were excellent for those situations,?our normal carry sidearm was a 357 magnum caliber revolver, but a 32 ,25 , 22 caliber was adequate