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solo was prevalent when everyone was stuck on single player games and mmo struggled to get traction now aday if you were good you could easily see millions day one
@@Rolkey exactly my point friend. He brought nothing to the table. It was heavily sarcastic. I find it really lazy to bash someone and not even attempt to do better.
Why I play MMO solo: because I find it very hard to find people that want to play the same game I want to play, at the same time and in the same manner. I enjoy some multiplayer aspects of a game but they are usually things that are risk-free and that doesn't rely on me having good reflexes or being a hardcore player because I never had any interest on that. (ffs, I play most game in the Story Mode difficulty because I enjoy more the story and exploration rather then combat)
i have always prefer to play alone, but at the same time i play support characters...it is weird, but there is a very satisfying feeling about being able to help someone at random in an MMO and not have to know them at all...also... that feeling of "you are alive because i decide to heal you, deal with these monsters for me"
i like to play solo and as support as well, but i dont have a problem with solo qued dungeons. i LOVE when shit starts hitting the fan and im able to keep everyone afloat. or when im the only one alive (oops, my bad i guess..) and end up soloing dungeeon mobs or a boss as a healer. makes me feel cool😎
This is why I wish that more MMOs would have it where any player that hits a mob gets xp and loot when that mob dies. It would let players kind of team up on the fly instead of having to formally form a group. GW2 does that and it's nice design.
Damn, I remember making a healer in World of Warcraft back in like 2006, think it was an orc shaman and NOOOPPEEEE, got it to around level 25 or something and ran the dungeon in the horde capital and everyone died, ran the one in the Barrens in a cave and everyone died multiple times and I was kicked, then ran a werewolf dungeon in the undead place and had the same result. Ended up just deleting the shaman and made an orc hunter instead and that worked out a lot better. I don't play MMO's anymore though, too time consuming and I lack free time as it is. I'm married, work 45-50 hours a week, have two children aged 14 and 12, and a lot of craziness on a daily basis. When I get off work I usually crack a beer from the fridge, screw around on TH-cam for 30 minutes, then watch a movie with my family after dinner. Friday nights and Saturdays are when I get to play video games because I get all morning to myself mostly so thats a solid 2-3 hours of gaming and I'm sure as hell not wasting those hours on an MMO lol! By lunch time shit gets busy so that 7-10am timeframe is sacred to me.
Personally my favourite part of MMOs is 'offline' multiplaying as in playing alongside (irl with my bf in the room on his computer or through discord/etc with friends) and playing solo doing our own things like skilling/quests/etc but knowing they are also in the world doing their own thing at the same time as me. I don't think I've ever done content IN game w my bf on OSRS but we frequently play together and that's how we like our MMO games 😎
As an avid ff14 player, it's worth noting that the new Trust system allows for almost every content to be done solo. They still make you join groups for some required mini-raid like encounters but it's a neat option. There's also new Variant Dungeons that actively scale with how many people you queued with. I just like ff14 idk
I’ll be honest, I actually appreciate that 14 made me group with others to do dungeons. I remember being physically anxious about doing my first group content but the combination of people being nice and having gone through the hall of the novice made it a somewhat smooth process and I loved tanking my whole way through the game after that, which led to me enjoying healing equally as much, and even got me to try some extreme and savage content later. Not to say everyone will have that experience, but I cannot personally say, in good faith, that making people *try* group content is a bad thing, but I will say that if my early groups had been toxic maybe things would have been different, so there’s something to be said about that as well
@DominicGreene72 in my experience ffxiv players are genuinely kind in comparison to most online games. Not to say that EVERYONE is like that, but in my 10 years of playing I've almost exclusively had good interactions
@@EnuHarumonia I was a lifelong WoW player, swapped to FFXIV for 4 years or so, and recently dipped my toes back into the WoW waters for Cataclysm Classic. BOY are people toxic in WoW compared to FFXIV, holy shit. Maybe it's because I'm on a PVP server, but the amount of slurs I have seen thrown at my head made my jaw drop. Either it was always like this and I just forgot, or it got worse in my absence. Literally had people asking if it was okay to say the N word in guild/FC chat, only to then do it in all caps because the leader said sure. Like...???
@@veradrost9654 I've had Ex-wow players ridicule me for saying I like OSRS and calling it a nostalgia bait pay to win piece of shit game while preaching that I should instead play FF14. I tried ARR. Put 50 hours into it and only enjoyed crafting stuff... I quit right after finishing the story with the racist elves.
I appreciate the heck out of that change cause fuck queueing up with other people, fuck having to wait, fuck having other people potentially ruin my story experience (I was in cutscene and they just finished the boss without me. I was the tank.) Fuck all of that bullshit. But that won't get me back to giving the game a 2nd try tho. It's close but maybe if the combat was fun for me OR I would be able to use the marketplace as a trial player so crafting (The most fun part for me) feels meaningful at all.
If you find a cool item in a single player game, you’ll never be able to trade it or be able to show it off to other players online. And it’s nice that all your characters are saved on their servers online. Even if a player decides to play mostly solo, it’s good to know that they have the power to play with other people any time they want.
I think great mmos have a good blend where the solo and multi build on eachother in tandem. Force example making a bunch of personal upgrades during the week and showing off how powerful you’ve become since friends last saw you in a dungeon or raid. Great video as always!
The quest system did it for me, when you had to grind XP by farming kills, it made sense to group and camp spawns. (Everquest, EQOA, EQ2, FFXI). Then you're playing wow, finally grouped your NELF with your Human friend in westfall, you do some quests, one of you logs, one of you does a few more, your quests are no longer in sync. For very rare and brief periods did I find people to group with and level on my first tune, but let's be honest, the most efficient way to grind levels in most MMOs is Solo play.
Idk why but your little bits on people's personal lives like Damien's tweets and roasting companies is always funny. It's kinda like reading the controvesy section for a beloved celebrity.
That is actually a very interesting concept… maybe there is potential to take an open world rpg type game, but marry it to the community aspects of mmo’s such as a market place or leader boards…. I’d dig it…
I play MMORPGs solo. When I play I want to have fun and play "MY Story". When you join a guild, you are no longer playing your story, you are playing the guilds story. When you join a guild you are no longer playing "The Game", you are now working a new job. Plus you must now put up with all the B-S krap from other guild members.
Would be kind of difficult considering the structure of an MMO is built with server relliance. Maybe if they released server files to the public but that'd bring whole lot of problems i think
One of the design decisions of GW2 that I really like is making it so that there is no "mob tagging" in the game. This means that if you hit a mob, you get rewarded with xp/loot when it does, whether there was already someone else fighting it or not. I would love to see this design implemented in more MMOs, especially ones that use trinity class design. This would allow players to work together on overworld content with practically no friction. You don't have to form a group, you don't have to talk to eachother, there's no pressure to stick together past the content that you're currently working on together. But, it allows you to properly play to your role in a multiplayer environment in a way that you don't really get to do if you're entirely playing solo. This also helps solve the issue of players fighting over quest mobs which always always always sucks. I think for this to work you would have up balance overworld mobs so that they aren't too easy to kill, but they can be killed solo if you're very careful. Something like how classic WoW was balanced. You can generally take on one, maybe two, mobs at a time and get through ok, but it would be a lot quicker and easier if someone else was there helping you.
Excellent video. Design is the key. Solo play often makes you completely unprepared for coop. You get good at playing your class and then learn that everything you learned to do makes you a complete pariah in cooperative play. Games ideally should provide you with AI teammate options so even if you're playing solo, you can learn team dynamics. In most games, the group is responsible for teaching every new person the basics which serves as a huge gatekeep.
I have some serious social anxiety. I don’t like talking to people in real life or in games. But I do like the feeling of being in an MMO. Feeling like I’m in a living world and seeing other people doing stuff is just… cool.
Even solo players often interact with systems that have real people on the other side. For example EVE Online can be played solo but by taking part in the economy you are basically seeing the mmo aspect.
I'm starting to wonder if my difficulties getting into a MMO's community is mostly just the actual gameplay. I'm one of those people that want to take on challenging content with a group and make friends. But having deathly allergies to rotations and copying meta builds online might be holding me back more than just "MMOs are being more solo friendly".
Best moments of MMORPG I've had where when I was alone playing and found a random, did a quick dungeon or raid, had a blast, befriend him, never seen him online again in my life. I still remember you XxDevKnightxX
Playing online games solo somehow feels different from playing single player. Even if you never going to see another person through hours and hours of gameplay, just existing in same world with other people makes all the difference.
i think what makes gw2 (basically the only mmo i play) so nice is that yeah, it's solo-able. but everyone is also just so chill??? like unless you're doing PvP everyone's super nice in my experience. and there are ALWAYS people on the map, even in lower level areas, cuz they have metas that take place in those areas and they downlevel you to match. i remember being relatively new and coming across the shadow behemoth for the first time, for example i also tend to just play with my partner, i've been replaying the entire story with him (first time for him) and it's been really fun. let's me work on that damn legendary necklace at the same time since you need to replay the story for that anyway. but it's really fun just running around in-game and talking while we level up n stuff too i haven't touched dungeons or raids much even though i've played the game for like 8 years, but i recently joined a discord full of people that i know from tumblr, so i'm hoping to get more into that side of the game! i loved doing fractals with my dad and his friends but they don't play very much anymore. but in the rare instances i've done dungeons with complete strangers, they were still super fun
An MMORPG is a millennial game. Most of its players are now in their 30s, which is why more and more MMO players play solo because of life commitments. I enjoyed grouping when I was younger and playing MMORPGs, but now with 2 kids and 2 jobs, I only get to play at certain times during the day or week. I'm guessing there are other players out there with a similar scenario.
Yep, I played like a no-lifer and high eusocial PvE interaction back in 2005-2010, but since then grad school, jobs, wife and kids, so 2019-2020 with the "Classic" vanilla hype, I just leveled mostly solo and did a solo self-found 1-life "hardcore" hunter challenge to lvl60. I could go at my own pace and didn't feel like I was missing out.
I really like playing just on my own, because I can often enjoy the story and the world better and in my own pace. On the other hand I do have problems in finding friends online and connect with other, what is very ironic, because I have no problems to connect irl with other people and I actually like to play with others. I have this problem no matter the game. It didn't work in MMOs aswell in Call of Duty and also other games, but those are the MP games I've put the most time in.
12:01 , that was exactly what happened to me with new world , i was really enjoying the game for over month and a half , super casual super fun when i have time , but then the game impose a quest in a dungeon that you cant event enter alone , so as i could not continue my game and my story i just droped the game. For me the selling point of an mmo is that just like in the real world , there are a lot of people doing their own thing , and you have the option of interact with them , but when the game push you to do it , is just like a mom pushing a boy to talk and to play with other random boy that is already playing with his friends, they will include you just to fill a space , but they are already a group , and you are just there , and be there in the group is not the same as being part of the team.
I'm the same type of player as you and I genuinely enjoy grinding solo content but at the same time on an MMO I'm always kinda hoping to make friends, it's just idk how I guess! Doing group content, joining guilds, playing support roles, always being pretty chill and helpful and still I got no one to talk to whenever I log in. I'm also always outta the loop and behind on content because I'm in my 30s with a family and other hobbies so I guess I'm screwed lol
As I solo player I can explain it this way: I like to do suboptimal content, readin text, exploring zones, completing quests even if they give nothing, in wow I collect everything from pets achivments to the transmogs, so It takes me long ass time to move from expansion to expansion, also I have every class and crafting possible, I just play my own version of the game, 1 or 2 expansion after eveyrone, but I dont want to drag other throu it as I feel I'm slowing them down as knowing I play suboptimal already is hard for me, I will join group for hard quests or dungeons with no problem, just that I need to get there in my own pace
I play alone because most people can't get immersed in a game. They want to play with me and then banter and talk about deep topics and I'm okay with that but their focus is only on that even if they say otherwise. I want people who will get engrossed in the game and want to go on adventures not escape or vent about life. I want to talk about our next mission I want to talk about what we may find I want to talk about our fears of losing in the game.
I think content like the Inferno in OSRS is also important - where there are solo challenges that you cannot possibly get carried through. Then the endgame group content feeds into endgame solo content and so on.
I started WoW classic as my first MMO when it launched in 2019 and the reason i was mostly solo at the beginning was probably fear of humiliation in a dungeon lol. I my first time in a dungeon was so nerve-wracking because i had no idea what i was doing. So, i just started solo questing until i got a hang of the game. I mean, i still sometimes avoid grouping even for quests, because i hate talking to people, but i absolutely would not be playing the game if there wasnt other people. The people make the world (atleast in warcraft) and i dont have to engage with any for it to flourish. I hope im making sense lol.
Playing mmorpg is not about playing with other people. Is about being part of a living world, with other players. Like, you don't need to have friends in real life, if you don't want to
Funny enough, while not entirely viable, I've always given myself challenges of at least attempting dungeons solo in wow, with some surprising results. The furthest I got in classic while the content was still granti g experience and loot upgrades was soloing Uldaman to completion with a priest, up to around level 45-50. Lot of kiting in circles. The couple guild mates I met were shocked.
i just like to chat with other people while I do my thing. back in DCUO I really only joined my league to help them through the epic raids because I ran all mine with PUGs on reset day.
I think if they expanded on the group quests from classic, with every zone having a boss you have to group for that unlocks a questline to finish the zone and reward you with upgrades for questing. The items could scale and if you do a chain at level 10 you'd get a couple of solid pieces that level with you up until say 19 or maybe even 21. you'd have to design a set of gear that works with each class (easy enough main stat very little secondary) and give half a set every zone or maybe a third of a set and make sure if you do them as grey or very close to the rewards are somewhat capped to the zone level so you can't just cheese them. It'd enable stuff like +hit for classes that really need it, snd i think you'd need to reduce the usefulness of greens and make blues very-VERY rare. You could start to think about making a set for X class that everytime you finish a zone quest you get an upgrade of that gear rather than new gear, so you keep your westfall bracers of strength and maybe upgrade it into a predungeon set, with minor secondary choices based at each upgrade if you want to be a tank or dps or healer.. or one spec doesn't use crit as much as another.. Though i'd make blue/epic and even legendary weapon drops the blues would be bound to player the others can be sellable- but like one in 10 billion chance for the legendary which can be upgraded by consuming other weapons and it'll always be 5% better than the weapon consumed. But like guildwars 2...rather than their system of having skills on the weapons you equip a shield and 1h sword together which gives defense when paired together, two 1h swords pair for haste etc.. you get healing staves, ice fire arcane.. with options to change it with quests, or for more blue/epic weapons you can just take the upgrade and put the old one in the bank to use a new style. If you make it so high levels can't farm them on low level mobs green and below wont drop them at a decent rate.. have some one of a kind per server for each level range as well as a bunch you can get later in the raid at a higher (but still rare) drop chance like thunderfury bindings, i'd also make it if you transfer servers your legendary turns into a default one- and the special one goes back into the wild to avoid a guild just paying to amass them. Legendary shields would equip a legendary 1h sword or mace when the shield is equiped without special skills but still more powerful, daggers similarly main hand legendary dagger only equips an offhand with the stats but MH holds the effect, classes that use two one handers similarly- And i'd just let the unbalance happen.. only nerf if some item/class is doing more than 30% more than the next class.. like wise buff rather than nerf and always in interesting ways. Mini rant over :P
Runescape Classic was practically Ironman Mode. You went away from a bank to fight and skill and collect loot, then returned to the town to show off what you did all by yourself.
something asmon said recently applies pretty heavily to this, back when mmorpgs became popular there was more of a market for socializing, social media wasn't really a thing, discord wasn't a thing, you would log on to a game to talk to your friends, mmorpgs were literally chatrooms with gameplay, now the markets different and people arent using mmorpgs to socialize and make friends as much (as well as we've all become antisocial jaded adults but thats beside the point) but people still enjoy the gameplay
I am the Lunch at My Desk guy, and I have never been a huge fan of grouping with strangers. I have a few friends I'll connect with every now and then in WoW, but otherwise I play alone. I love all the QoL matchmaking shit they've added. I hope they add more so I never have to fight to get into an M+ group if I want to play when my friends can't. I put in my time shouting LFG in Ironforge in 2004. I've been here since the beginning, baby. I don't have time to dick around anymore.
For what it's worth, FFXIV's story dungeons have the capacity to be played with story NPCs instead of other players. It's only side quest dungeons and raids that *require* multiplayer
I played Maplestory since before Big Bang and I can say people have been upset that party play is no longer there. However, back then, the reason why party play was so popular was because it was the only viable method to level up as quests and mobbing was not optimal unless you were already high enough level to one-shot them quickly. Nowadays, mobbing as become a lot easier and with the constant 2x exp coupons we get from store or even ingame buffs and the revamps of classes to allow for bigger screen clears. The downside is that partying up with others is only viable when you want to do an end-game boss. However, it seems that maple is doing event party quest that resemble how old party quests felt like so we'll see how this plays out in the future.
When I started MMO's in 2004, I was happy to play with everybody and talk to people. Over time I just like the AH, professions and solo que battlegrounds/world PVP. The way people play games now just out right sucks, I would rather not socialize with them. I just want to get in do content and log off, doing a dungeon in WOW classic can take over and hour or two just to do it, give me RDF.
Lately when I play multiplayer, i hide and avoid other players like its a stealth game. I ignore everyone. For a long time I wondered why am i even playing multiplayer at all and currently just playing single player games again.
The best example from vanilla wow, i think, are cave quests. Quests where your goal is in a cave. You can technically solo these quests, but you have to work very carefully and quickly. One mistake and you die and have to deal with respawns. But if you run into someone else doing the same quest, it doesn't matter how much of a solo player you are, grouping up with them is your least bad option. The vanilla wow questing experience was hundreds of these tiny implicitly incentivized interactions with other players that all created opportunities for communal growth. Combined with static server populations (no layers or shards), you started to recognize people around the server. The quests themselves were objectively not fun (which is a problem), but they fostered socialization in the best way. No MMO since has ever tried to capture that again.
Very, very few have tried to capture it. Older ones captured it even better. EverQuest's Project 1999 or new Teek TLP server come to mind. Vanguard also comes to mind.
THIS "someone who choses a suboptimal build should be allowed to have fun". Like I saw about that dragonflight thing in wow where you have choice between different factions bringing different perks. I like to create a backstory for my characters so I don't wanna be forced to chose a faction which concept I dislike because "gotta minmax". I don't care about minmaxing, I don't care about being max level. I care about the story and discovering a universe. Hence why I play solo 95% of my time in an mmo (which, usually, will turn out to be swtor as it caters to my playstyle.).
I could say (and I still have to say quite a bit here) a whole lot about how I do feel about MMOs since I do have the personal experience with being a soloist. Albeit not by my choice mainly as I really do not have people to play them with, nor am I really one to go out there and ask anyways (in other words socially awkward and really shy). Also, I sometimes want to try things to see if I find them something to return to in the future which I guess has lead to some times where I run into the bad parts of soloing in them. But I really should mention that like with a mobile game like Diablo Immortal... Ohhh so many mobile games really like to stick in the aspect of guilds, make friends that who knows if they will return, enforcing raids only with others and whatever else they decide to make it so that (possibly side-) quests in them make it impossible to progress in their respective quest lines. I really may say that mobile or not, it has made me tired to see enforced guild systems in games to the point I just can hardly work around them and really join a more quiet or dead guild, because the active ones are really strict with activity a majority of the time I just cannot tempt myself to go in them unless I know I will play the game daily by my fruition.
I became a solo player because I find it too difficult, annoying, and tedious to get someone to do anything! It's too much of a hassle to recruit or find groups doing stuff that isn't current content. Also I feel like I personally got pushed out of the whole activity of seeking friends and finding groups due to real life stuff and other instances of people alienating me whenever I go to get back into it. I AM a paradox, these games are fun, but my core issue is that my enjoyment is severely limited by not having friends to play the same game, and this goes for almost every game I own that is multiplayer. I hit my mid 20's and everyone I used to know/talk to/play with just kinda poofed out of existence and I've been soloing games ever since then.
I'm a totally solo player in MMOs. Here are my most basic reasons - #1 - I can't find people on my level. By this I mean that people either rush thru everything min/maxing or are just so bad that they waste my precious limited playtime. I don't like to rush and I don't like to waste time either, so there you go. #2 - I don't have time to explain everything in the game to new or bad players. I prefer MMOs to single player games only because to me other players in the game world make it feel alive, they're essentially all just randomly acting NPCs to me, instead of the preprogramed NPCs in single player games. #3 - I like to be able to go AFK or logout or log back in whenever I want. Do whatever I want without having to check with others. I have also found that most people only talk to me in game because they need something, and once you start with the whole "friends list" thing you find yourself always doing shit you'd rather not be doing. There are other reasons but those are the big 3. I think I may be antisocial, but I think I just like being efficient and do things at my own pace, independent if you will.
There isn't any problem with enjoying solo until it becomes the norm in any given community. It's similar to how people gripe about having to say hello to their neighbors or smile at strangers. Once most people stop being friendly, individuals will have a MUCH harder time connecting with anyone in a community. Antisocial people usually have low social needs for various reasons. But life changes. Once you find yourself needing to connect, and a community has become antisocial, it's no longer a personal choice. That's the difference between being alone and happy, versus being lonely and feeling isolated.
Honestly I'm glad ffxiv forces grouping, everyone is at a baseline of skill for group content later. The difference between a good and bad gw2 player is so immense (20x performance) that it's caused big problems later, organised group content is unplayed by the general playerbase.
My ideal of a solo player is "the ace" that I call upon if I really need them. Be that crafters, know-it-alls or very skilled button pressers (aka. PvP or PvE players). I like the idea there are mercenaries out there I can look for to get certain tasks for me done. Issue is ... all games out there either expect or intent you to do everything on your own anyway. So this entrie idea of specializing in something is only, if ever, enforced by gameplay rules that restrict players (through classes/jobs or limited crafting professions). I loved the days where walking around the world, seeing another player and getting a relevant buff from them for 30 minutes was the peak of your day. These interactions somehow got lost or made irrelevant. I remember back in the days in Ragnarok Online you had Priests who earned their daily potion allowance by sitting around a popular dungeon and just getting paid to buff players entering the dungeon as a thanks. That made for memorable experiences for sure.
I wish I could play a game like that again for the first time, where you can help out simply by providing small but significant services like that. When I play WoW (TBC/WotLK) and I play a class that can give buffs, I always buff people I meet. It's a lost art. Likewise, I am quite happy if someone happens to rely on me as their ace!
I don't like MMO's that force me to play in a group. I prefer to give me the choice, that's why I love WOW, FFXIV, GW2, RuneScape you can do them solo but also in group and it's cool to show off to other people what you have achieved.
ive met some of the worst people ive ever talked to in raids, BUT i also got screwed over by rng and got none of the good exclusive loot. there is no upside
I like being alone. I also like to be around like-minded people while I do my thing. I know that if I'm in a game where people share a common interest it will be easier to strike up a conversation because I know I have at least the game in common. An example: If you placed me at a biker's convention I would feel awkward. I'm not a biker guy. Even though I think bikes are cool I would have little to contribute to a conversation and hoping someone has the same interests are considerably lower. At least in an MMO I can feel like I'm at a gaming convention where I can mingle if I want and know I at least have one thing in common.
Sometimes you are up for groups, but sometimes your job leaves you with only an hour for a quick play, and you don't want to bother with the hardest content or finding group mates.
The "problem" with Classic WoW is that a lot of the quest lines end in dungeons. So while you're not "forced" to do them, the story of the zone kind of abruptly ends if you don't. Deadmines is actually the perfect example of what I'm talking about. It's part of a long quest chain that you're basically cut off from if you don't do it.
I play MMORPGs solo because these games have cool features, gameplay and mechanics, but there's no similar games that are 100% solo. Like, RuneScape, my favourite game: I don't have friends to play OSRS with me and I can't find anyone speaking my native language, who can play with me. For some people 15$ per month is just a lot of money to pay for a game.
tbh most Loners aren't Loners because they want to be, they either have no friends, their friends don't want to play MMO's or the more common: everyone else in the game is so focused on doing max level content they forget about lesser players.
Runescape's issue is the GE. As much as I enjoy the convenience of being able to buy most items instantly, there's no reason to care that anyone else plays after that point. Typing to people is just a waste of xp at that point
It always amazes me how Classic WoW solved so many problems current MMOs have and struggle with. It was one of the first real big ones and they nailed the genre for decades.
The problem I have with most MMO's is that there is no single-player alternative of them. If there was, I would play that instead. I don't mind playing with others in MMO's, it's just that most of the time other players are not worth or are a hassle to interact with. The average player is either incompetent, toxic, malicious or a troll; sometimes all 4. Most players are just not nice.
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solo was prevalent when everyone was stuck on single player games and mmo struggled to get traction now aday if you were good you could easily see millions day one
also fyi war gaming doesnt want players they want investors
"I like to play with myself where others can see"
Forgot who said this, but pretty much how I feel about MMOs
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@@brennansage4100a park r really? Bad joke dude
@@ClassifiedGrayZoneWarfareit’s a decent joke. Better than your attempt
@@dontblocktheboxHe didn’t make a joke tho?
@@Rolkey exactly my point friend. He brought nothing to the table. It was heavily sarcastic. I find it really lazy to bash someone and not even attempt to do better.
Why I play MMO solo: because I find it very hard to find people that want to play the same game I want to play, at the same time and in the same manner. I enjoy some multiplayer aspects of a game but they are usually things that are risk-free and that doesn't rely on me having good reflexes or being a hardcore player because I never had any interest on that. (ffs, I play most game in the Story Mode difficulty because I enjoy more the story and exploration rather then combat)
i have always prefer to play alone, but at the same time i play support characters...it is weird, but there is a very satisfying feeling about being able to help someone at random in an MMO and not have to know them at all...also... that feeling of "you are alive because i decide to heal you, deal with these monsters for me"
i like to play solo and as support as well, but i dont have a problem with solo qued dungeons. i LOVE when shit starts hitting the fan and im able to keep everyone afloat. or when im the only one alive (oops, my bad i guess..) and end up soloing dungeeon mobs or a boss as a healer. makes me feel cool😎
This is why I wish that more MMOs would have it where any player that hits a mob gets xp and loot when that mob dies. It would let players kind of team up on the fly instead of having to formally form a group. GW2 does that and it's nice design.
Damn, I remember making a healer in World of Warcraft back in like 2006, think it was an orc shaman and NOOOPPEEEE, got it to around level 25 or something and ran the dungeon in the horde capital and everyone died, ran the one in the Barrens in a cave and everyone died multiple times and I was kicked, then ran a werewolf dungeon in the undead place and had the same result.
Ended up just deleting the shaman and made an orc hunter instead and that worked out a lot better.
I don't play MMO's anymore though, too time consuming and I lack free time as it is. I'm married, work 45-50 hours a week, have two children aged 14 and 12, and a lot of craziness on a daily basis.
When I get off work I usually crack a beer from the fridge, screw around on TH-cam for 30 minutes, then watch a movie with my family after dinner. Friday nights and Saturdays are when I get to play video games because I get all morning to myself mostly so thats a solid 2-3 hours of gaming and I'm sure as hell not wasting those hours on an MMO lol! By lunch time shit gets busy so that 7-10am timeframe is sacred to me.
I main Priest in WoW and love running around a city casting Power Word: Fortitude on everyone I can find.
@@Travybear1989 It really is Joever during parenthood.
Personally my favourite part of MMOs is 'offline' multiplaying as in playing alongside (irl with my bf in the room on his computer or through discord/etc with friends) and playing solo doing our own things like skilling/quests/etc but knowing they are also in the world doing their own thing at the same time as me. I don't think I've ever done content IN game w my bf on OSRS but we frequently play together and that's how we like our MMO games 😎
That's amazingly wholesome!
I like to be alone in a crowd that’s why I play (mostly) solo.
As an avid ff14 player, it's worth noting that the new Trust system allows for almost every content to be done solo. They still make you join groups for some required mini-raid like encounters but it's a neat option. There's also new Variant Dungeons that actively scale with how many people you queued with. I just like ff14 idk
I’ll be honest, I actually appreciate that 14 made me group with others to do dungeons. I remember being physically anxious about doing my first group content but the combination of people being nice and having gone through the hall of the novice made it a somewhat smooth process and I loved tanking my whole way through the game after that, which led to me enjoying healing equally as much, and even got me to try some extreme and savage content later. Not to say everyone will have that experience, but I cannot personally say, in good faith, that making people *try* group content is a bad thing, but I will say that if my early groups had been toxic maybe things would have been different, so there’s something to be said about that as well
@DominicGreene72 in my experience ffxiv players are genuinely kind in comparison to most online games. Not to say that EVERYONE is like that, but in my 10 years of playing I've almost exclusively had good interactions
@@EnuHarumonia I was a lifelong WoW player, swapped to FFXIV for 4 years or so, and recently dipped my toes back into the WoW waters for Cataclysm Classic.
BOY are people toxic in WoW compared to FFXIV, holy shit.
Maybe it's because I'm on a PVP server, but the amount of slurs I have seen thrown at my head made my jaw drop. Either it was always like this and I just forgot, or it got worse in my absence. Literally had people asking if it was okay to say the N word in guild/FC chat, only to then do it in all caps because the leader said sure. Like...???
@@veradrost9654 I've had Ex-wow players ridicule me for saying I like OSRS and calling it a nostalgia bait pay to win piece of shit game while preaching that I should instead play FF14.
I tried ARR.
Put 50 hours into it and only enjoyed crafting stuff... I quit right after finishing the story with the racist elves.
I appreciate the heck out of that change cause fuck queueing up with other people, fuck having to wait, fuck having other people potentially ruin my story experience (I was in cutscene and they just finished the boss without me. I was the tank.) Fuck all of that bullshit.
But that won't get me back to giving the game a 2nd try tho. It's close but maybe if the combat was fun for me OR I would be able to use the marketplace as a trial player so crafting (The most fun part for me) feels meaningful at all.
"centuries, or even years" already earned you a like, good sir.
If you find a cool item in a single player game, you’ll never be able to trade it or be able to show it off to other players online. And it’s nice that all your characters are saved on their servers online. Even if a player decides to play mostly solo, it’s good to know that they have the power to play with other people any time they want.
I think great mmos have a good blend where the solo and multi build on eachother in tandem. Force example making a bunch of personal upgrades during the week and showing off how powerful you’ve become since friends last saw you in a dungeon or raid. Great video as always!
Holy, the FlyFF music at 18:00 brings me back. Good times, I miss that game. I'm so old.
YES gimee an mmo like flyff where optimal leveling is in pairs. uwu
@@TheSugurMonkey Personal ringmaster slave.... those were the days
Nice video, just a quick note, in FFXIV you can solo all MSQ dungeons using NPCs, only trials are required to group
Yeah, it's great. Perfect dungeon runs 10/10 every time. Absolutely amazing tbh, no sarcasm
Ok but to be fair Rumours by Fleetwood Mac is a fire album.
Also yeah, solo MMOs and stuff
Babe wake up, a new Idyl vid just dropped!
I thought this was j1mmy
i only play MMOs solo because i hate team play and i love the challenge of doing bosses alone
The quest system did it for me, when you had to grind XP by farming kills, it made sense to group and camp spawns. (Everquest, EQOA, EQ2, FFXI). Then you're playing wow, finally grouped your NELF with your Human friend in westfall, you do some quests, one of you logs, one of you does a few more, your quests are no longer in sync. For very rare and brief periods did I find people to group with and level on my first tune, but let's be honest, the most efficient way to grind levels in most MMOs is Solo play.
Idk why but your little bits on people's personal lives like Damien's tweets and roasting companies is always funny. It's kinda like reading the controvesy section for a beloved celebrity.
That is actually a very interesting concept… maybe there is potential to take an open world rpg type game, but marry it to the community aspects of mmo’s such as a market place or leader boards…. I’d dig it…
I did not expect to see Idyl topless in this video... but then again, it's an Idyl video.
I play MMORPGs solo. When I play I want to have fun and play "MY Story". When you join a guild, you are no longer playing your story, you are playing the guilds story. When you join a guild you are no longer playing "The Game", you are now working a new job. Plus you must now put up with all the B-S krap from other guild members.
What if "my story" involves navigating the social metagame that is "integrating into a guild and cooperating them their goals as part of my own story"
dead mmos would be neat if they tried to sell them as full games for offiline use once they die
Would be kind of difficult considering the structure of an MMO is built with server relliance. Maybe if they released server files to the public but that'd bring whole lot of problems i think
@@maerto technically you can i have seen people make offline version of korean mmo like perfect world , ragnarok and rising force online
ngl, world of warcraft requiring 40 man raids made me meet so many people and some of them still one of my best friends ever.
today i learned Fleetwood mac made a disstrack album.
it gives the album a whole new meaning when you know the background :O
One of the design decisions of GW2 that I really like is making it so that there is no "mob tagging" in the game. This means that if you hit a mob, you get rewarded with xp/loot when it does, whether there was already someone else fighting it or not. I would love to see this design implemented in more MMOs, especially ones that use trinity class design.
This would allow players to work together on overworld content with practically no friction. You don't have to form a group, you don't have to talk to eachother, there's no pressure to stick together past the content that you're currently working on together. But, it allows you to properly play to your role in a multiplayer environment in a way that you don't really get to do if you're entirely playing solo.
This also helps solve the issue of players fighting over quest mobs which always always always sucks.
I think for this to work you would have up balance overworld mobs so that they aren't too easy to kill, but they can be killed solo if you're very careful. Something like how classic WoW was balanced. You can generally take on one, maybe two, mobs at a time and get through ok, but it would be a lot quicker and easier if someone else was there helping you.
honestly gw2 loot and mob system are god send ,especially for event like mad king's labyrinth
That's been in wow for almost 10 years at this point.
Excellent video. Design is the key. Solo play often makes you completely unprepared for coop. You get good at playing your class and then learn that everything you learned to do makes you a complete pariah in cooperative play.
Games ideally should provide you with AI teammate options so even if you're playing solo, you can learn team dynamics. In most games, the group is responsible for teaching every new person the basics which serves as a huge gatekeep.
I have some serious social anxiety. I don’t like talking to people in real life or in games. But I do like the feeling of being in an MMO. Feeling like I’m in a living world and seeing other people doing stuff is just… cool.
Even solo players often interact with systems that have real people on the other side. For example EVE Online can be played solo but by taking part in the economy you are basically seeing the mmo aspect.
I'm starting to wonder if my difficulties getting into a MMO's community is mostly just the actual gameplay. I'm one of those people that want to take on challenging content with a group and make friends. But having deathly allergies to rotations and copying meta builds online might be holding me back more than just "MMOs are being more solo friendly".
The patron song at the end is perpetually stuck in my head, it has no right being as catchy as it is what the fuck
Best moments of MMORPG I've had where when I was alone playing and found a random, did a quick dungeon or raid, had a blast, befriend him, never seen him online again in my life.
I still remember you XxDevKnightxX
I swear there was a frame that flashed that said "More farts on my Patreon"
That Flyff bgm gave me nostalgia joy
Playing online games solo somehow feels different from playing single player. Even if you never going to see another person through hours and hours of gameplay, just existing in same world with other people makes all the difference.
i think what makes gw2 (basically the only mmo i play) so nice is that yeah, it's solo-able. but everyone is also just so chill??? like unless you're doing PvP everyone's super nice in my experience. and there are ALWAYS people on the map, even in lower level areas, cuz they have metas that take place in those areas and they downlevel you to match. i remember being relatively new and coming across the shadow behemoth for the first time, for example
i also tend to just play with my partner, i've been replaying the entire story with him (first time for him) and it's been really fun. let's me work on that damn legendary necklace at the same time since you need to replay the story for that anyway. but it's really fun just running around in-game and talking while we level up n stuff too
i haven't touched dungeons or raids much even though i've played the game for like 8 years, but i recently joined a discord full of people that i know from tumblr, so i'm hoping to get more into that side of the game! i loved doing fractals with my dad and his friends but they don't play very much anymore. but in the rare instances i've done dungeons with complete strangers, they were still super fun
An MMORPG is a millennial game. Most of its players are now in their 30s, which is why more and more MMO players play solo because of life commitments. I enjoyed grouping when I was younger and playing MMORPGs, but now with 2 kids and 2 jobs, I only get to play at certain times during the day or week. I'm guessing there are other players out there with a similar scenario.
Yep, I played like a no-lifer and high eusocial PvE interaction back in 2005-2010, but since then grad school, jobs, wife and kids, so 2019-2020 with the "Classic" vanilla hype, I just leveled mostly solo and did a solo self-found 1-life "hardcore" hunter challenge to lvl60. I could go at my own pace and didn't feel like I was missing out.
Millennials ruined MMORPG
I really like playing just on my own, because I can often enjoy the story and the world better and in my own pace.
On the other hand I do have problems in finding friends online and connect with other, what is very ironic, because I have no problems to connect irl with other people and I actually like to play with others.
I have this problem no matter the game.
It didn't work in MMOs aswell in Call of Duty and also other games, but those are the MP games I've put the most time in.
W Sonic Frontiers soundtrack at the end
12:01 , that was exactly what happened to me with new world , i was really enjoying the game for over month and a half , super casual super fun when i have time , but then the game impose a quest in a dungeon that you cant event enter alone , so as i could not continue my game and my story i just droped the game.
For me the selling point of an mmo is that just like in the real world , there are a lot of people doing their own thing , and you have the option of interact with them , but when the game push you to do it , is just like a mom pushing a boy to talk and to play with other random boy that is already playing with his friends, they will include you just to fill a space , but they are already a group , and you are just there , and be there in the group is not the same as being part of the team.
I'm the same type of player as you and I genuinely enjoy grinding solo content but at the same time on an MMO I'm always kinda hoping to make friends, it's just idk how I guess! Doing group content, joining guilds, playing support roles, always being pretty chill and helpful and still I got no one to talk to whenever I log in. I'm also always outta the loop and behind on content because I'm in my 30s with a family and other hobbies so I guess I'm screwed lol
As I solo player I can explain it this way: I like to do suboptimal content, readin text, exploring zones, completing quests even if they give nothing, in wow I collect everything from pets achivments to the transmogs, so It takes me long ass time to move from expansion to expansion, also I have every class and crafting possible, I just play my own version of the game, 1 or 2 expansion after eveyrone, but I dont want to drag other throu it as I feel I'm slowing them down as knowing I play suboptimal already is hard for me, I will join group for hard quests or dungeons with no problem, just that I need to get there in my own pace
I play alone because most people can't get immersed in a game. They want to play with me and then banter and talk about deep topics and I'm okay with that but their focus is only on that even if they say otherwise. I want people who will get engrossed in the game and want to go on adventures not escape or vent about life. I want to talk about our next mission I want to talk about what we may find I want to talk about our fears of losing in the game.
Yeah I hate it when people start talking about real life issue. I already know real people in real life to talk about that.
I also like the solo aspect. For example I started Genshin two weeks ago and it even felt weird to me that it was not an MMO.
Comin in strong with the Papyrus
I think content like the Inferno in OSRS is also important - where there are solo challenges that you cannot possibly get carried through. Then the endgame group content feeds into endgame solo content and so on.
I started WoW classic as my first MMO when it launched in 2019 and the reason i was mostly solo at the beginning was probably fear of humiliation in a dungeon lol. I my first time in a dungeon was so nerve-wracking because i had no idea what i was doing. So, i just started solo questing until i got a hang of the game. I mean, i still sometimes avoid grouping even for quests, because i hate talking to people, but i absolutely would not be playing the game if there wasnt other people. The people make the world (atleast in warcraft) and i dont have to engage with any for it to flourish. I hope im making sense lol.
Playing mmorpg is not about playing with other people. Is about being part of a living world, with other players. Like, you don't need to have friends in real life, if you don't want to
Coincidentally, I'm listening to this video, while farming ores in wow (solo, I might add)
A version of classic WoW that is as group-oriented as EverQuest was sounds incredible.
Funny enough, while not entirely viable, I've always given myself challenges of at least attempting dungeons solo in wow, with some surprising results. The furthest I got in classic while the content was still granti g experience and loot upgrades was soloing Uldaman to completion with a priest, up to around level 45-50. Lot of kiting in circles. The couple guild mates I met were shocked.
i just like to chat with other people while I do my thing. back in DCUO I really only joined my league to help them through the epic raids because I ran all mine with PUGs on reset day.
I think if they expanded on the group quests from classic, with every zone having a boss you have to group for that unlocks a questline to finish the zone and reward you with upgrades for questing.
The items could scale and if you do a chain at level 10 you'd get a couple of solid pieces that level with you up until say 19 or maybe even 21.
you'd have to design a set of gear that works with each class (easy enough main stat very little secondary) and give half a set every zone or maybe a third of a set and make sure if you do them as grey or very close to the rewards are somewhat capped to the zone level so you can't just cheese them.
It'd enable stuff like +hit for classes that really need it, snd i think you'd need to reduce the usefulness of greens and make blues very-VERY rare.
You could start to think about making a set for X class that everytime you finish a zone quest you get an upgrade of that gear rather than new gear, so you keep your westfall bracers of strength and maybe upgrade it into a predungeon set, with minor secondary choices based at each upgrade if you want to be a tank or dps or healer.. or one spec doesn't use crit as much as another..
Though i'd make blue/epic and even legendary weapon drops the blues would be bound to player the others can be sellable- but like one in 10 billion chance for the legendary which can be upgraded by consuming other weapons and it'll always be 5% better than the weapon consumed.
But like guildwars 2...rather than their system of having skills on the weapons you equip a shield and 1h sword together which gives defense when paired together, two 1h swords pair for haste etc.. you get healing staves, ice fire arcane.. with options to change it with quests, or for more blue/epic weapons you can just take the upgrade and put the old one in the bank to use a new style.
If you make it so high levels can't farm them on low level mobs green and below wont drop them at a decent rate..
have some one of a kind per server for each level range as well as a bunch you can get later in the raid at a higher (but still rare) drop chance like thunderfury bindings, i'd also make it if you transfer servers your legendary turns into a default one- and the special one goes back into the wild to avoid a guild just paying to amass them.
Legendary shields would equip a legendary 1h sword or mace when the shield is equiped without special skills but still more powerful, daggers similarly main hand legendary dagger only equips an offhand with the stats but MH holds the effect, classes that use two one handers similarly-
And i'd just let the unbalance happen.. only nerf if some item/class is doing more than 30% more than the next class.. like wise buff rather than nerf and always in interesting ways.
Mini rant over :P
Runescape Classic was practically Ironman Mode. You went away from a bank to fight and skill and collect loot, then returned to the town to show off what you did all by yourself.
You really have to start listing the songs that you use, I want the metal song
something asmon said recently applies pretty heavily to this, back when mmorpgs became popular there was more of a market for socializing, social media wasn't really a thing, discord wasn't a thing, you would log on to a game to talk to your friends, mmorpgs were literally chatrooms with gameplay, now the markets different and people arent using mmorpgs to socialize and make friends as much (as well as we've all become antisocial jaded adults but thats beside the point) but people still enjoy the gameplay
I am the Lunch at My Desk guy, and I have never been a huge fan of grouping with strangers. I have a few friends I'll connect with every now and then in WoW, but otherwise I play alone. I love all the QoL matchmaking shit they've added. I hope they add more so I never have to fight to get into an M+ group if I want to play when my friends can't. I put in my time shouting LFG in Ironforge in 2004. I've been here since the beginning, baby. I don't have time to dick around anymore.
For what it's worth, FFXIV's story dungeons have the capacity to be played with story NPCs instead of other players. It's only side quest dungeons and raids that *require* multiplayer
"I won't talk about Runescape... but the soundtrack do slap tho"
Edit: sike I'm also gonna talk ablut it
I played Maplestory since before Big Bang and I can say people have been upset that party play is no longer there. However, back then, the reason why party play was so popular was because it was the only viable method to level up as quests and mobbing was not optimal unless you were already high enough level to one-shot them quickly. Nowadays, mobbing as become a lot easier and with the constant 2x exp coupons we get from store or even ingame buffs and the revamps of classes to allow for bigger screen clears. The downside is that partying up with others is only viable when you want to do an end-game boss.
However, it seems that maple is doing event party quest that resemble how old party quests felt like so we'll see how this plays out in the future.
Bro your advertisements are the fricken best
When I started MMO's in 2004, I was happy to play with everybody and talk to people. Over time I just like the AH, professions and solo que battlegrounds/world PVP. The way people play games now just out right sucks, I would rather not socialize with them. I just want to get in do content and log off, doing a dungeon in WOW classic can take over and hour or two just to do it, give me RDF.
This SWTOR Slander hurts me :( Game is so good honestly it and GW2 will forever be my comfort MMOs
"Centuries, and even years" really got me 😂
Lately when I play multiplayer, i hide and avoid other players like its a stealth game. I ignore everyone. For a long time I wondered why am i even playing multiplayer at all and currently just playing single player games again.
Yes. Please make a video essay about Diablo
The best example from vanilla wow, i think, are cave quests. Quests where your goal is in a cave. You can technically solo these quests, but you have to work very carefully and quickly. One mistake and you die and have to deal with respawns. But if you run into someone else doing the same quest, it doesn't matter how much of a solo player you are, grouping up with them is your least bad option.
The vanilla wow questing experience was hundreds of these tiny implicitly incentivized interactions with other players that all created opportunities for communal growth. Combined with static server populations (no layers or shards), you started to recognize people around the server.
The quests themselves were objectively not fun (which is a problem), but they fostered socialization in the best way. No MMO since has ever tried to capture that again.
Very, very few have tried to capture it. Older ones captured it even better. EverQuest's Project 1999 or new Teek TLP server come to mind. Vanguard also comes to mind.
THIS "someone who choses a suboptimal build should be allowed to have fun".
Like I saw about that dragonflight thing in wow where you have choice between different factions bringing different perks. I like to create a backstory for my characters so I don't wanna be forced to chose a faction which concept I dislike because "gotta minmax". I don't care about minmaxing, I don't care about being max level. I care about the story and discovering a universe. Hence why I play solo 95% of my time in an mmo (which, usually, will turn out to be swtor as it caters to my playstyle.).
Love the Baldur's Gate 3 soundtrack in the background. :)
Flyff music in part 3 slapped
I could say (and I still have to say quite a bit here) a whole lot about how I do feel about MMOs since I do have the personal experience with being a soloist.
Albeit not by my choice mainly as I really do not have people to play them with, nor am I really one to go out there and ask anyways (in other words socially awkward and really shy). Also, I sometimes want to try things to see if I find them something to return to in the future which I guess has lead to some times where I run into the bad parts of soloing in them.
But I really should mention that like with a mobile game like Diablo Immortal... Ohhh so many mobile games really like to stick in the aspect of guilds, make friends that who knows if they will return, enforcing raids only with others and whatever else they decide to make it so that (possibly side-) quests in them make it impossible to progress in their respective quest lines.
I really may say that mobile or not, it has made me tired to see enforced guild systems in games to the point I just can hardly work around them and really join a more quiet or dead guild, because the active ones are really strict with activity a majority of the time I just cannot tempt myself to go in them unless I know I will play the game daily by my fruition.
I became a solo player because I find it too difficult, annoying, and tedious to get someone to do anything! It's too much of a hassle to recruit or find groups doing stuff that isn't current content. Also I feel like I personally got pushed out of the whole activity of seeking friends and finding groups due to real life stuff and other instances of people alienating me whenever I go to get back into it. I AM a paradox, these games are fun, but my core issue is that my enjoyment is severely limited by not having friends to play the same game, and this goes for almost every game I own that is multiplayer. I hit my mid 20's and everyone I used to know/talk to/play with just kinda poofed out of existence and I've been soloing games ever since then.
Always a good day when idyl drops a new video
I'm a totally solo player in MMOs. Here are my most basic reasons - #1 - I can't find people on my level. By this I mean that people either rush thru everything min/maxing or are just so bad that they waste my precious limited playtime. I don't like to rush and I don't like to waste time either, so there you go. #2 - I don't have time to explain everything in the game to new or bad players. I prefer MMOs to single player games only because to me other players in the game world make it feel alive, they're essentially all just randomly acting NPCs to me, instead of the preprogramed NPCs in single player games. #3 - I like to be able to go AFK or logout or log back in whenever I want. Do whatever I want without having to check with others. I have also found that most people only talk to me in game because they need something, and once you start with the whole "friends list" thing you find yourself always doing shit you'd rather not be doing. There are other reasons but those are the big 3. I think I may be antisocial, but I think I just like being efficient and do things at my own pace, independent if you will.
There isn't any problem with enjoying solo until it becomes the norm in any given community. It's similar to how people gripe about having to say hello to their neighbors or smile at strangers. Once most people stop being friendly, individuals will have a MUCH harder time connecting with anyone in a community. Antisocial people usually have low social needs for various reasons. But life changes. Once you find yourself needing to connect, and a community has become antisocial, it's no longer a personal choice. That's the difference between being alone and happy, versus being lonely and feeling isolated.
I'm normally too lazy to like videos regardless of how good they are, but that outro song caught me off guard so enjoy your shekels
Honestly I'm glad ffxiv forces grouping, everyone is at a baseline of skill for group content later. The difference between a good and bad gw2 player is so immense (20x performance) that it's caused big problems later, organised group content is unplayed by the general playerbase.
“If you’re an active MMO player I did not mean to put you on a second spectrum” Coming at me really hard there bro… 😂😂😂
My ideal of a solo player is "the ace" that I call upon if I really need them. Be that crafters, know-it-alls or very skilled button pressers (aka. PvP or PvE players). I like the idea there are mercenaries out there I can look for to get certain tasks for me done. Issue is ... all games out there either expect or intent you to do everything on your own anyway. So this entrie idea of specializing in something is only, if ever, enforced by gameplay rules that restrict players (through classes/jobs or limited crafting professions).
I loved the days where walking around the world, seeing another player and getting a relevant buff from them for 30 minutes was the peak of your day. These interactions somehow got lost or made irrelevant. I remember back in the days in Ragnarok Online you had Priests who earned their daily potion allowance by sitting around a popular dungeon and just getting paid to buff players entering the dungeon as a thanks. That made for memorable experiences for sure.
I wish I could play a game like that again for the first time, where you can help out simply by providing small but significant services like that. When I play WoW (TBC/WotLK) and I play a class that can give buffs, I always buff people I meet. It's a lost art. Likewise, I am quite happy if someone happens to rely on me as their ace!
I don't like MMO's that force me to play in a group. I prefer to give me the choice, that's why I love WOW, FFXIV, GW2, RuneScape you can do them solo but also in group and it's cool to show off to other people what you have achieved.
ive met some of the worst people ive ever talked to in raids, BUT i also got screwed over by rng and got none of the good exclusive loot. there is no upside
I like being alone. I also like to be around like-minded people while I do my thing. I know that if I'm in a game where people share a common interest it will be easier to strike up a conversation because I know I have at least the game in common.
An example: If you placed me at a biker's convention I would feel awkward. I'm not a biker guy. Even though I think bikes are cool I would have little to contribute to a conversation and hoping someone has the same interests are considerably lower.
At least in an MMO I can feel like I'm at a gaming convention where I can mingle if I want and know I at least have one thing in common.
Sometimes you are up for groups, but sometimes your job leaves you with only an hour for a quick play, and you don't want to bother with the hardest content or finding group mates.
The "problem" with Classic WoW is that a lot of the quest lines end in dungeons. So while you're not "forced" to do them, the story of the zone kind of abruptly ends if you don't. Deadmines is actually the perfect example of what I'm talking about. It's part of a long quest chain that you're basically cut off from if you don't do it.
I play MMORPGs solo because these games have cool features, gameplay and mechanics, but there's no similar games that are 100% solo. Like, RuneScape, my favourite game: I don't have friends to play OSRS with me and I can't find anyone speaking my native language, who can play with me. For some people 15$ per month is just a lot of money to pay for a game.
Great work on this video! Keep it up!
Great video again, budget J1mmy
tbh most Loners aren't Loners because they want to be, they either have no friends, their friends don't want to play MMO's or the more common: everyone else in the game is so focused on doing max level content they forget about lesser players.
...So when will Idyl cover MMO based shows/Movies?
Tob in osrs is the best true mmo content
I don't want to join any guild, sometimes I just don't play for months for various reasons
I don't want to coordinate with other people. I just want to cut trees and do quests and clue scrolls
11:12 BIG OOF
Runescape's issue is the GE. As much as I enjoy the convenience of being able to buy most items instantly, there's no reason to care that anyone else plays after that point. Typing to people is just a waste of xp at that point
I don't have friends, the only way I play games is on my own
Way better then Narc's take on MMOs.
One solo type was not mentioned, those who realize other people are usually horrible monsters and that’s why wish to play alone.
It always amazes me how Classic WoW solved so many problems current MMOs have and struggle with. It was one of the first real big ones and they nailed the genre for decades.
no mention of ba in osrs?
The problem I have with most MMO's is that there is no single-player alternative of them. If there was, I would play that instead.
I don't mind playing with others in MMO's, it's just that most of the time other players are not worth or are a hassle to interact with.
The average player is either incompetent, toxic, malicious or a troll; sometimes all 4. Most players are just not nice.
@14:40 i'll take "most frequently used lines" for $600
Would love a diablo video. Like first time trying it. Always wanted to try it never did
great video j1mmy