@@darwin4519 OK, but how does one tell the difference between somebody who IS saved and somebody who THINKS (wrongly) that they're saved? Wouldn't a (false) belief that you're saved impel the same thoughts, speech and actions as a true belief?
@@darwin4519 That doesn't answer the question, so let me ask it in a different way: what can a truly saved person say or do that a person who merely BELIEVES (wrongly) that they are saved cannot?
Jeff, you carry God's annointed Word, like a sword on fire, & it burns a blazing trail of truth, through the minds & hearts of those that listen. Dynamite. ( you're a Gospel Ninja.)
Ora Dunbar you're totally right! I wish I can let him know in someway that his message has affected people even overseas, even in milieus in which such beliefs are prohibited, and silenced.
@@hakimashu240 Hi, Grace, Peace, n LOVE in The HOLY KING, JESUS CHRIST. Yes, He and We Do Know, and Together We All Rejoice! Even Blessed that JESUS Started a Church, Branching Off of Apología in Arizona, in Kauai. Where are you from, Friend?
My Sister Word Smith, You are correct, and have The Same SPIRIT; note, We all have differing Gifts, but One n the Same SPIRIT -In YOU. GOD Bless n Keep You!
A sword on fire!? Swords are metal, metal doesn't burn, it melts. So, you MAY mean he carries the message of God like it's imaginary, like it's not real, just like a sword on fire, since neither exists. Is that your subtle message?
THE WAY HE SPEAKS, THE WAY HE DESCRIBES & ILLUSTRATES IS SIMPLY SECOND TO NONE! HE, THROUGH GOD, JESUS CHRIST & THE HOLY SPIRIT, HELPS ME SO MUCH ON UNDERSTANDING LIKE NO OTHER! PRAISE GOD, THANK YOU FATHER!
I see some here who are amazed at this sermon. It is always soul nourishing to hear the Word of Truth proclaimed. It does make me wonder how many believer's actually read the Word. This should not be a new teaching to the believer. Is 53 is foundational. We need to be saturated and Jeff's knowledge of the Word is convicting and encouraging...Every time reading through the Word it is so invigorating hearing prophecies pointing to Yeshua whether in Deuteronomy, Psalms, the prophets, Proverbs...so thankful for Your Word Eternal Father.
It sounds like a really good sermon, until you start actually listening to his points. He thinks the problem of induction is solved by deciding a particular God is the one that solves the problem and then claiming he has solve the problem? Where is the validation that this god is real? It’s not in prophecy, I will tell you that right now. And if you ask further I will show you.
This is the most clearly articulated presentation of the Gospel I have ever heard preached in an Assemblies of God church, and I was in the denomination for 25 years.
Why do you believe that? He didn't present evidence of a god. So he spoke of foundations to beliefs, but he has no foundation for believing in a god. Meanwhile he changed the topic at a lot to try to attack non-believers' positions, but I think all those arguments were awful. For example he implied they couldn't criticize Orlando if their belief was Moral Relativism (which by the way isn't an automatic position if one's a non-believer), and yet moral relativism doesn't hold that morals don't exist, only that their judgement isn't objective. Morals are principles of right/wrong behavior, so they're behavior preferences. You can compare them with movie preferences: we even use the words "good" and "bad" _exactly_ the same for morals as for movie preferences! But to address another of Durbin's points, he brought up prophecy. Well does he ignore prophecies like that Tyre would be uninhabited or that Egypt wouldn't be inhabited by humans or animals for 40 years? Because those predictions didn't come true. With an actual god why would he even be stuck with _predictions?_ Predictions don't logically indicate a god. With an actual god why would believers be stuck with a book that claims Jesus did human-fakeable "miracles"? An actual god wouldn't rely on that sort of stuff. They could do things far beyond human fakery. Yet with the Bible Jesus is said to have done things like faith-healed (human fakeable) or come back from the dead (human fakeable) or feeding the multitudes (human fakeable). Don't you find that strange? Especially strange when paired with our lack of evidence of any gods!
ChîRhôpher Lazarus What I do know is that Christianity doesn't follow Christ. You call yourselves Christians, your suppose to be Christ like. How? By keeping the Commandments as he did.
YOU have been Thoroughly refuted and how you cherry pick and twist Scripture. You still haven't told me how you are (We rather) Forgiven, because you continuously claim that YOU keep the precepts of the Torah Exactly like CHRIST. Sir, you do Not Know CHRIST. i, by the Grace of GOD, Gave you Romans 1-3 and you still claim absolute perfection. You abide under the Wrath of GOD. REPENT.
ChîRhôpher Lazarus It's not just faith... James 2 14What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. The works are the commandments of God.
Jeff Durbin uses fancy talk, he says "preconditions for intelligibility" at 13:25. The following link will explain what the "preconditions for intelligibility" is. Fancy wording for something really really stupid. Here is a link explaining what it is: gracebibleny.org/presuppositional_apologetics_preconditions_intelligibility
Or, people read the OT prophecies and wrote that they had been fulfilled without them actually being fulfilled. Why is this possibility dismissed? How are the Bible's reports of fulfilment corroborated?
● "It is easier for a camel to enter the eye of a needle, then for those with more wealth then the poor to enter the kingdom of God." ● "You have read that it was commanded by Moses, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' I now say to you, Do not use force to overcome evil. Instead, whenever you are struck on the right cheek you must turn to them also the other. And one prosecuting you in court, in order the cloak of yours to take, give him also your coat.”
32:43 Matthew 24:32, Mark 13:30, and Luke 21:32 all contain a prophecy in Jesus' own words that he would return before those present passed away. That did not happen. Failed prophecy. The Bible is mythology.
I wish you would have presented some "absolute proof" that didn't presupposed the proof you purport to have. You can't use the Bible to prove the Bible if you wish to be taken seriously. This was a waste of time. Bummer.
@@markmarino5053 oh lol claim they're not one of you that way you dont have to deal with it, bullshit and yes i know it wont end the problem, but it will help, but hey its ok to do all this immoral shit if you are doing it in the name of "god" after all god is the thing people use to do bad things and still feel good about it, i also notice how you avoid the subject of the original comment, im guessing its because you dont have any proof of god. Aaaaand he was never heard of again XD
Anyone else find it odd that the position _doesn't_ start with a commitment to _truth_ ? Instead it starts with a presumption. Also does he actually get to evidence at any point? Listened to 15 minutes so far with no evidence. Also...is he proving _Christianity_ (which exists; it's a real religion) or _god_ (which we have no reason to believe exists; we lack any evidence gods exist) ?
Exactly. When you start with a presupposition that the Bible is true, it's easy to finda ways to "say" the Bible is true. Durbin never presents any evidence for his claims. He just uses the claims of the Bible to reiterate hia claims, and the audience eats it up. Very disappointing.
@@imago9059 It's true that our beliefs don't change the truth. But our ability to know truth rests on evidence, and theists don't have evidence of gods. So rational people shouldn't believe in them. Until the evidence changes, non-belief is the rational position.
Anyone who says they are "better" than the shooter are just like the Pharisees. We are not to condemn. The shooter made a poor decision and he will be judged accordingly by our Creator. Not my job to determine where he will be. We are to be the light and love.
Not looking to start a debate or argument .. BUT..nothing happened in Orlando, just as nothing happened in Sandy Hook CT. etc.Aside from that, I agree with everything else ..Well done !
We know not to eat each other because our species would've never survived up to this point if we did. We're a tribal & social species. We don't need Devine revelation that eating each other wouldn't be the most efficient thing to do to preserve our species. That is a weak argument.
You're premise is faulty. Rats are cannibals and they're a species that has done very well. Likewise for chickens. People die natural and accidental deaths every day, why not eat them? How about severely handicapped people that can't care for themselves, why not eat them? Please explain your position without name calling, follow logic and don't rely on emotion.
Keize Montoya You ignored my request to use logic. We have had international trade for food and produce for about 75 years. Prior to that food sources were subject ot wars, drought, economic depressions, natural disasters. The history if the world is a struggle for resources, so don't pretend the last generation is representative of world history. Now. Please answer my question, why is it wrong to eat people, without name calling, using logic, and not appealing to emotion. Thank you.
Keize Montoya Why is genocide wrong? It eliminates competitors for resources, which gives other an advantage in producing more offspring. The essence of evolution. You can only say in your opinion it is wrong. So you've made statements about God with no proof. Hardly original. Please support your assertions with some evidence.
Keize Montoya OK. I'm going to address both posts with one. What people have you been listening to that you made a one thousand year mistake about the invention of the printing press? Evolution is about killing. More capable individuals get more resources, survive longer, have more offspring, and pass their genetic advantage on to following generations. They do this at the expense of other individuals. Someone came up with the idea of sharpening a stick to make a better weapon and taught it to others in their village. Then, when their village was running low on food, they used their sharpened sticks to take what the next village had. Then someone came up with the idea of fashioning a string onto a branch to make a bow and launch sharpened sticks through the air. They taught everyone in their village to make and use the new weapon and when the time came it was used to conquer the next village and take their resources. Genocide doesn't mean killing millions of people, it can also mean killing a few dozen if they are a unique culture. But this is the driving force of evolution. Villages with smarter, more innovative people grew and multiplied at the expense of their neighbors. So, evolutionists have to concede their world view can't condemn genocide, only express preference, which is what you did. It is wrong because I don't want someone to do it to me. I can say it is objectively wrong because we are all made in God's image and all lives matter. Finally, if the Bible is so full of genocide accounts it should be easy for you to find one. Please do so.
Keize Montoya You should get your money back from those symposiums. Prey that were more adept at escaping lived because slower members of their species or other species died in the jaws of predators. So the engine of evolution is death. With the engine of evolution being death, why do atheists think killing is wrong. 50 men killed in Orlando. So what, more gay men will be born. Tsunami kills 250,000. So what, more people will be born. In the meantime there is a greater abundance of resources for the survivors. A million chickens are killed every day for Americans to eat. According to naturalists that is the same as a million people being killed. Finally, some evidence. OK. Joshua is the account of one battle, not a genocide. As was common at the time and for another 3,000 years, conquered cities were completely destroyed and the inhabitants either killed or enslaved. Check out the siege of Jerusalem in 70 AD. I'm surprised you included Deuteronomy. What are you pro-slavery? They were a bunch of slaves escaping Egypt. They had to fight for survival, fight for resources,and the fittest survived. This is far from genocide. Likewise he account from Numbers, where the displaced Israelites fought against tribes that were opposing them. Really you need to start in Numbers 22 and read to understand the back ground of number 31. Also these tribes practiced child sacrifice. I know atheists think its perfectly acceptable for a mother to kill her child, but it is an abomination in God's eyes. Everyone brings up Samuel and the Amalekites. Some research into history has to accompany this Scripture. The Amalekites were a tribe of raiders that attacked the Israelites while they were moving to the promised land and continued to raid settlements on the borders of Israel for hundreds of years. Wiping them out was completely justified. So you see, these "genocides" were simply fights for survival and security. As for God killing many, many people that is true. We are all in God's hands and He determines the length of our life.
Thank you for your response! One more thing...let's say someone committed a horrible sin, something as evil as rape or murder, and got away with it, then eventually repented and accepted Jesus as their lord and savior,...they would be saved. BUT, the fact that the got away with it and never received jail or justice, will god curse them and cause them to live a bad life?
No. Jesus already took the punishment upon himself so any curse or consequences we could have brought upon ourselves are eliminated. Jesus became the curse on the cross so we can be blessed. Gods justice is different than mans, although mans justice system reflects Gods at times
@@kylerichardson1242"you have heard it said 'love your neighbors' but I tell you to love your enemies, and do good to those who hurt you." "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do." Christ forgave those who were murdering Him. That is the standard we are all called to.
@@briggy4359 That's awful. You get raped and you just have to say, "Thanks, Jesus. Hope that guy enjoys heaven." Think about the level of evil you advocating for when you worship Jesus. It's stunning to think people revere a god who would put them through so much injustice. There are no redeeming qualities to the Christian God. He is pure evil.
Enjoyed this... For more Biblical evidenses, google, the Northern Cross, by Aquilla Fleetwood, youtube! Genesis 1: 14, the stars are for signs! Psalms 75: 6, exaltation comes from God out of the north!
Jeff likes to use "atheist" and "unbeliever" interchangeably when the former is a subset of the latter. I'd love to hear him apply his apologetics to the worldview of someone other than an atheist. Or at least to be intellectually honest and stop acting like his apologetics speak to all unbelievers worldviews.
I have never quite understood the term non-believer. I believe in many things and I don't believe in many other things. But just because I don't believe in gods I am considered a non-believer or an atheist. 🤷🏻♂️
@@vejeke Your "non-believer or an atheist" choice doesn't make sense. (It's like asking "am I considered a human or an atheist?") * Atheism means, _"disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods."_ * So it includes both disbelief ("gods do not exist") and lack of belief (non-belief). So you don't have to choose one or the other. You're both a non-believer and an atheist (and a human). Non-belief is basically just admitting we don't know. For example consider a claim that we're 100% sure you don't know: * I'm thinking of a claim that's either true or false. * Do you: (A) believe it's true, (B) believe it's false, or (C) have no belief about my claim? * This isn't a trick question. I haven't told you what the claim is. I've done that so that we're both sure you don't know the right answer, at which point clearly you can't know it's true or false (and so believing those things wouldn't be rational). * That leaves non-belief. You don't think it's true, you don't think it's false, you just don't have a position yet because you're absolutely certain you don't know the right answer (and when we're rational, we don't pretend to know things we don't know; we admit non-belief).
The first mistake is assuming you know what other people think and saying you understand what people have been through. The Ancient Greeks were not Christian yet they created art like pottery Christian’s didn’t invent that.
@@imago9059 my point is that everything wasn’t made by Christians including America if they did the first amendment wouldn’t exist cause they wouldn’t allow it, they weren’t atheist they where agnostic. Why would Christian’s want the first amendment to exist? They say everyone already knows yet there is so many religions. If everyone knew why would they deny it.
Maynardk Ford your gonna hate me, lol. Im actually a christian this question was a social experiment. but if you have questions ask me : ) ill try to help
Maynardk Ford look at it this way, kind of the human body is really complex, the same with life and how everything in the universe operates, you telling me it just all appeard from nothing?
Why would you post something like that? "No True Christian" is such a transparently bad argument. For example I'm a non-believer. Atheist means, _"a person who has received Christian baptism or is a believer in Christianity."_ Well _some_ atheists say "god(s) don't exist" and that's an irrational claim (it's as irrational as the claim _"god(s) DO exist"_ ) but do I go around lying and saying they aren't atheists? No, usually how I handle that is by not calling myself an atheist at all but using the term non-believer which more precisely defines the position I hold (which sure seems to be the most rational position, given our lack of evidence gods do or don't exist!). I wish education did a better job teaching people logic and rationality. I feel like religion would just disappear in a puff of logic if we were better as a culture at teaching people how to form beliefs close to the truth.
_Daithi,_ Maybe. I'm a bit older, and there's a genuine gratefulness (thought quite mild/muted) towards everyone who enabled me to live to this point (so my parents and the 1000+ people who ever cooked meals for me, and the millions of other people who did various other things that helped me keep living, including those in history who provided things like scientific advances that I benefit from). So it's only odd if (A) he's only grateful to be able to grieve - that'd be weird or (B) he's grateful towards an imaginary friend rather than all those real people who he actually has evidence of.
In mathematics, we do it all the time. In order to "prove" anything at all you have to presuppose or rest upon axioms which cannot be proven, And use the laws of logic again which are based on axioms to "prove" new statements. In fact, with Euclidean geometry, switching up the axiom for the parallel postulate gave us non-Euclidean geometry. With the axioms you prove new statements and see if the axioms are good by how useful the mathematical objects that come out of those proofs are in terms of there use. Same thing with set theory, look up axiom of choice, and how using it or not leases to different mathematical worlds so to speak. In fact, add unproven statements to your system and you can prove all sorts of things as long as the axioms are consistent. This is how I can view the Bible, using it as my axioms for living ,how well does it line up with us as humans and our conditions and a explaining our condition. This was hard for me for a while as "rational " scientist , but realizing that whatever you consider to be true is really really relative to what the axioms on which we base our thinking on. Take care my friend.
@@christianpecora9859 How then would you rate the Bible's utility as an axiom in which to base human behavior? It seems to me a book which condones chattel slavery, rape, and genocide is-at the very least-harmful to the well-being of humans. Even worse, a document declaring all humans to be born axiomatically destined for either eternal conscious torment or involuntary worship of a dictator is the essence of what you might call "evil".
36:04 Here's how I like "them apples". Isaiah 9:6-7 says the child will lead a governement and bring peace that "will never end". Jesus did neither of those things. Funny how you left that bit out. Failed prophecy. The Bible is mythology. You don't strike me as very honest, Jeff.
I am a believer, but I do struggle with always wanting to know "is it really true". This has changed my view on that, which I am thankful. However I came up with one question...you said the events of Jesus were written hundreds of years before Jesus, which sounds amazing, BUT, wouldn't the writers of the New Testament just say "hey this is in the Old Testament so let's write that story now so it actually seems real".
Joseph Ventura Great question, and its ok to ask these questions, in case a non-believers asks you that very question. This is similar to the conspiracy theory. Dr. William Lane Craig and Dr. Gary Habermas answer this better, but basically we know from extra biblical sources that the early Christians indeed faced heavy persecution for their faith from Jewish and Roman authorities. No historian disagrees that Jesus existed and was crucified for claiming to be Messiah, and that the disciples claimed that Jesus was raised from the dead. Continuing to push this belief ruined their lives, and they endured torture, and eventually were martyred for not renouncing the claim. When people conspire, they do it not to worsen their lives, but to better their lives or gain power. Secondly, there were several others before Jesus, who claimed to be messiah, and gathered even larger followings, but when they died, so did their movement. Jesus's movement grew after his death, even despite the persecution. The conspiracy theory is just so much less likely than the truth that Jesus did rise from the dead and appear physically to all the disciples on multiple occasions just as the disciples claimed.
Joseph Ventura I would encourage you to rid yourself of distractions and set your entire focus on Jesus and pursue Him with all that you have as well as repent of all sin and ask for encounters with His presence and Holy Spirit. Once you have an encounter with God you will never doubt or question again. Your faith won't be simply off of belief but of experience and eye-witness testimony. I've seen and experienced so much of Him and am starting to see visions and hear His voice. He's so awesome and wants to show up in your life brother.
Joseph Ventura I understand what you mean. It's perfectly normal to ask questions, God's revelation is always progressive, the bible itself was written over 1500 years, that being said we don't get everything all at once, atleast in the physical, your questions under God's sovereignty ultimately are avenues toward perfection, so keep asking, keep searching, and rejoice when you receive the knowledge you seek. James 1:5 says If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him. So ask him for wisdom in those areas. To answer your question, to make a long story short, no. Remember the point of the new testament, the 4 gospels are 4 different accounts of the life and teaching and ultimately death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Acts is a continuation of one of those accounts about those who had physical encounters/ relationship with Christ. The epistles are addresses to the early churches, and revelation is apocalyptic literature describing the last days. Could they have written something different? Well technically yes, but the style of literature is narrative, narrating what was currently happening (the gospels and acts) and correction and reproof of the churches (pauls epistles) it wasn't about "hey this is what happened in the old testament" but as a necessary addition to the scriptures ofcourse we would see the parrellels from the old testament. The old testament is Jesus Christ concealed, the new testament is Jesus Christ revealed, so naturally it will line up. I encourage you to do historical research as well on the times certain scriptures were written, early church history, etc...if you haven't yet, I see this comment was 6 months ago. I pray God continues to open your understanding and that he reveals all things to you, I Jesus name. God bless you brother.
The fact that the more learned a Christian is the more likely they are to convert to Judaism, while the less learned a Jew is the less likely he is to convert to Christianity. that should tell a smart person everything they need to know everything non this subject. If anybody wants any one of his comical proofs debunked please reply to this post with the verse or contact me.
The only proof you offer in support of Christianity seems to be faith. But what has faith got to do with evidence? Faith is no evidence. Please show me some real evidence that Christianity 100% true.
Lol ironically only when you approach this in faith will you get your proof. Your "I have to see to believe" is backwards. When you repent and believe you will see and experience and encounter the reality of Jesus.
Molinism isn't perfect, but it the best explanation I've heard so far for how to explain the Biblical truths of God's absolute Sovereignty, and man's libertarian free will (i.e: our absolute responsibility for sin). I just wish there were more teachings and debates on it, so I could iron it all out more, and test it more thoroughly against the Word.
There’s something very off about this guy. I would like to hear about his deepest darkest secrets, the thing in his life that he is most ashamed of. Then maybe he will be a little more humble
It is not. You could watch it and find out for yourself. He went through how we could establish the foundation of truth, the basis for morality and also the prophecies written centuries ago about Jesus, which was the highlight for me - all open to scrutiny.
Would love to ask this Bible Thumper why is it that a child molester can abuse children their whole lives and then at the end of their miserable lives just say they have repented and by Christianity standards they get a free pass past the pearly gates ? But a wonderful human whom has only helped people and shown love and compassion, but is not Christian gets to spend eternity burning in hell, any bible thumper have an answer to that ?
Because all fall short of the glory of God. There is not one person that is good. Not one. God’s standard is much higher than man’s standard. If we don’t have the blood of Christ, we have no righteousness in us. It is Christ alone that covers our sin and justifies our sin. Which is the standard we should live as well. Because Christ forgave us much, so also we should forgive others who sin against us. Blessings to you!
Wow, working with extreme examples is not good for logic. Who is a wonderful non Christian and how would you know if they truly are that wonderful? Proof? If you believe truly that people are wonderful you are deluding yourself and catering to your ego.
Sorry, but the Trinity doctrine is Catholic and it is not Biblical. The oneness doctrine is Jewish (Orthodox) and it is not Biblical. God is complex and has more than 3 forms. Yeshua is part of YHVH, yet He is fully God. John 14:6 is simple. Anything contrary is a lie.
Vladmir Putin these are the evidences! The authors of the Bible wrote these prophesies few hundred years before it actually happened. It's not just general things but to the exact point of what will happen. Mathematically, these things will happened with a probability nearly approaching zero. But they happened! And this comes to another point, the texts can be verified through thousands and thousands of transcripts and the Dead Sea scrolls where historians can date them a few hundred years before Christ was on the Earth. I encourage you to look up on this topic yourself as I did and it definitely strengthened my faith.
Vladmir Putin wow. I wonder why the author did not address the prophesies that came to pass. It's really common to cherry pick a few verses here and there and come up with our own religion. Yes, there are prophesies that have not come true, I did not say that all prophesies came true. But know this, there are over 40 authors of the Bible. They hardly knew each other, but they all tell one unified story. So who cares if the Nike river never dried up? The main message was maintained throughout the Bible. It's really hard to sum them all up into one comment but I do encourage you to read the Bible yourself or even learn about the main storyline of the Bible.
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I'm so very glad God saved this man.
And how do you know whether anybody else is saved?
@@JMUDoc The bible talks about a profession with your mouth. Mr Durbin has professed this from his mouth Jesus Is Lord many times
@@darwin4519 OK, but how does one tell the difference between somebody who IS saved and somebody who THINKS (wrongly) that they're saved? Wouldn't a (false) belief that you're saved impel the same thoughts, speech and actions as a true belief?
@@JMUDoc Right.. Great question.. salvation is a gift from God... Jesus clearly teach's that we will be able to identify people by their fruit.
@@darwin4519 That doesn't answer the question, so let me ask it in a different way:
what can a truly saved person say or do that a person who merely BELIEVES (wrongly) that they are saved cannot?
Jeff, you carry God's annointed Word, like a sword on fire, & it burns a blazing trail of truth, through the minds & hearts of those that listen. Dynamite. ( you're a Gospel Ninja.)
Ora Dunbar you're totally right! I wish I can let him know in someway that his message has affected people even overseas, even in milieus in which such beliefs are prohibited, and silenced.
@@hakimashu240 Hi, Grace, Peace, n LOVE in The HOLY KING, JESUS CHRIST. Yes, He and We Do Know, and Together We All Rejoice! Even Blessed that JESUS Started a Church, Branching Off of Apología in Arizona, in Kauai. Where are you from, Friend?
My Sister Word Smith, You are correct, and have The Same SPIRIT; note, We all have differing Gifts, but One n the Same SPIRIT -In YOU. GOD Bless n Keep You!
A sword on fire!? Swords are metal, metal doesn't burn, it melts. So, you MAY mean he carries the message of God like it's imaginary, like it's not real, just like a sword on fire, since neither exists. Is that your subtle message?
THE WAY HE SPEAKS, THE WAY HE DESCRIBES & ILLUSTRATES IS SIMPLY SECOND TO NONE! HE, THROUGH GOD, JESUS CHRIST & THE HOLY SPIRIT, HELPS ME SO MUCH ON UNDERSTANDING LIKE NO OTHER! PRAISE GOD, THANK YOU FATHER!
I see some here who are amazed at this sermon. It is always soul nourishing to hear the Word of Truth proclaimed. It does make me wonder how many believer's actually read the Word. This should not be a new teaching to the believer. Is 53 is foundational. We need to be saturated and Jeff's knowledge of the Word is convicting and encouraging...Every time reading through the Word it is so invigorating hearing prophecies pointing to Yeshua whether in Deuteronomy, Psalms, the prophets, Proverbs...so thankful for Your Word Eternal Father.
It sounds like a really good sermon, until you start actually listening to his points. He thinks the problem of induction is solved by deciding a particular God is the one that solves the problem and then claiming he has solve the problem? Where is the validation that this god is real? It’s not in prophecy, I will tell you that right now. And if you ask further I will show you.
This is the most clearly articulated presentation of the Gospel I have ever heard preached in an Assemblies of God church, and I was in the denomination for 25 years.
Why do you believe that? He didn't present evidence of a god. So he spoke of foundations to beliefs, but he has no foundation for believing in a god.
Meanwhile he changed the topic at a lot to try to attack non-believers' positions, but I think all those arguments were awful. For example he implied they couldn't criticize Orlando if their belief was Moral Relativism (which by the way isn't an automatic position if one's a non-believer), and yet moral relativism doesn't hold that morals don't exist, only that their judgement isn't objective. Morals are principles of right/wrong behavior, so they're behavior preferences. You can compare them with movie preferences: we even use the words "good" and "bad" _exactly_ the same for morals as for movie preferences!
But to address another of Durbin's points, he brought up prophecy. Well does he ignore prophecies like that Tyre would be uninhabited or that Egypt wouldn't be inhabited by humans or animals for 40 years? Because those predictions didn't come true. With an actual god why would he even be stuck with _predictions?_ Predictions don't logically indicate a god.
With an actual god why would believers be stuck with a book that claims Jesus did human-fakeable "miracles"? An actual god wouldn't rely on that sort of stuff. They could do things far beyond human fakery. Yet with the Bible Jesus is said to have done things like faith-healed (human fakeable) or come back from the dead (human fakeable) or feeding the multitudes (human fakeable). Don't you find that strange? Especially strange when paired with our lack of evidence of any gods!
Jesus is King
David Lerell prove it
Amen! Praise the Lord
35:12 chills. I needa learn Hebrew. That was awesome
If I was the pastor of that church, I would have gotten up and turned off the clock and let Jeff preach all day.
Best sermon ever thank u Jesus
Great message. Thanks for posting this!
Beautiful. Praise God!
Top 5 sermon I Hurd in my life and believe me I Hurd many......
pastor jeff please pray for me please right now im feeling scared and lost and idk what to do anymore please
Hey brother, how you doing a year down the line?
@Jason B. Lost your sociopathy yet?
Amazing!
Love all your videos been learning a lot Pastor Jeff is there anything in Spanish I would like to share this with my family members and Friends
El tipo es un mentiroso patológico que siente la necesidad de contar mentiras a otras personas para sentirse mejor con sus propias creencias.
True Christians follow the commandments of God
ahhh, you are on here! You have thoroughly demonstrated that you have NO idea what Christianity is!
you have no idea what Holy Scripture teaches.
ChîRhôpher Lazarus What I do know is that Christianity doesn't follow Christ. You call yourselves Christians, your suppose to be Christ like. How? By keeping the Commandments as he did.
YOU have been Thoroughly refuted and how you cherry pick and twist Scripture. You still haven't told me how you are (We rather) Forgiven, because you continuously claim that YOU keep the precepts of the Torah Exactly like CHRIST. Sir, you do Not Know CHRIST. i, by the Grace of GOD, Gave you Romans 1-3 and you still claim absolute perfection. You abide under the Wrath of GOD. REPENT.
ChîRhôpher Lazarus It's not just faith...
James 2
14What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
The works are the commandments of God.
Thanks, Ima use this :)
You guys don't believe the In Christianity because of the prophecies. You believe in the prophecies because you accepted Christianity.
And you dont dismiss Christianity because you cannot see any evidence. You cannot see the evidence because you have dismised Christianity.
Jeff Durbin uses fancy talk, he says "preconditions for intelligibility" at 13:25. The following link will explain what the "preconditions for intelligibility" is. Fancy wording for something really really stupid. Here is a link explaining what it is:
gracebibleny.org/presuppositional_apologetics_preconditions_intelligibility
Thanks
yup
There is a Muslim apologist saying the exact same things about his faith right now.
Hahahaha more butthurt stupid atheists hahahahaha you pathetic people 😂😂😂
Dill Doe why are you so worked up about this?
Or, people read the OT prophecies and wrote that they had been fulfilled without them actually being fulfilled.
Why is this possibility dismissed? How are the Bible's reports of fulfilment corroborated?
really did answer a lot of questions, amazing job!!!!!!!!!
The part about absolute proof of Christianity starts here: 1:01:33
Nice!
● "It is easier for a camel to enter the eye of a needle, then for those with more wealth then the poor to enter the kingdom of God."
● "You have read that it was commanded by Moses, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' I now say to you, Do not use force to overcome evil. Instead, whenever you are struck on the right cheek you must turn to them also the other. And one prosecuting you in court, in order the cloak of yours to take, give him also your coat.”
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32:43 Matthew 24:32, Mark 13:30, and Luke 21:32 all contain a prophecy in Jesus' own words that he would return before those present passed away. That did not happen.
Failed prophecy. The Bible is mythology.
Blessed is he who comes in the name of the LORD!
Jeff please do one speak about the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
Ok.. wow! Mind explosion at the end there.. 😲
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I wish you would have presented some "absolute proof" that didn't presupposed the proof you purport to have. You can't use the Bible to prove the Bible if you wish to be taken seriously. This was a waste of time. Bummer.
nice.. but where is the proofts?
@@markmarino5053 well he's not a priest
@@markmarino5053 oh lol claim they're not one of you that way you dont have to deal with it, bullshit and yes i know it wont end the problem, but it will help, but hey its ok to do all this immoral shit if you are doing it in the name of "god" after all god is the thing people use to do bad things and still feel good about it, i also notice how you avoid the subject of the original comment, im guessing its because you dont have any proof of god. Aaaaand he was never heard of again XD
thank you, Pastor Jeff. Jesus is the Lord of Glory.
Anyone else find it odd that the position _doesn't_ start with a commitment to _truth_ ? Instead it starts with a presumption. Also does he actually get to evidence at any point? Listened to 15 minutes so far with no evidence. Also...is he proving _Christianity_ (which exists; it's a real religion) or _god_ (which we have no reason to believe exists; we lack any evidence gods exist) ?
Exactly. When you start with a presupposition that the Bible is true, it's easy to finda ways to "say" the Bible is true. Durbin never presents any evidence for his claims. He just uses the claims of the Bible to reiterate hia claims, and the audience eats it up. Very disappointing.
Thank God that His existence does not rest on us believing or not. Phew.
@@imago9059 It's true that our beliefs don't change the truth. But our ability to know truth rests on evidence, and theists don't have evidence of gods. So rational people shouldn't believe in them. Until the evidence changes, non-belief is the rational position.
Anyone who says they are "better" than the shooter are just like the Pharisees. We are not to condemn. The shooter made a poor decision and he will be judged accordingly by our Creator. Not my job to determine where he will be. We are to be the light and love.
Not looking to start a debate or argument .. BUT..nothing happened in Orlando, just as nothing happened in Sandy Hook CT. etc.Aside from that, I agree with everything else ..Well done !
Nothing happened in Orlando or sandy hook? Where are you living bro
We know not to eat each other because our species would've never survived up to this point if we did.
We're a tribal & social species. We don't need Devine revelation that eating each other wouldn't be the most efficient thing to do to preserve our species.
That is a weak argument.
You're premise is faulty. Rats are cannibals and they're a species that has done very well. Likewise for chickens. People die natural and accidental deaths every day, why not eat them? How about severely handicapped people that can't care for themselves, why not eat them? Please explain your position without name calling, follow logic and don't rely on emotion.
Keize Montoya You ignored my request to use logic. We have had international trade for food and produce for about 75 years. Prior to that food sources were subject ot wars, drought, economic depressions, natural disasters. The history if the world is a struggle for resources, so don't pretend the last generation is representative of world history. Now. Please answer my question, why is it wrong to eat people, without name calling, using logic, and not appealing to emotion. Thank you.
Keize Montoya
Why is genocide wrong? It eliminates competitors for resources, which gives other an advantage in producing more offspring. The essence of evolution. You can only say in your opinion it is wrong.
So you've made statements about God with no proof. Hardly original. Please support your assertions with some evidence.
Keize Montoya OK. I'm going to address both posts with one. What people have you been listening to that you made a one thousand year mistake about the invention of the printing press? Evolution is about killing. More capable individuals get more resources, survive longer, have more offspring, and pass their genetic advantage on to following generations. They do this at the expense of other individuals. Someone came up with the idea of sharpening a stick to make a better weapon and taught it to others in their village. Then, when their village was running low on food, they used their sharpened sticks to take what the next village had. Then someone came up with the idea of fashioning a string onto a branch to make a bow and launch sharpened sticks through the air. They taught everyone in their village to make and use the new weapon and when the time came it was used to conquer the next village and take their resources. Genocide doesn't mean killing millions of people, it can also mean killing a few dozen if they are a unique culture. But this is the driving force of evolution. Villages with smarter, more innovative people grew and multiplied at the expense of their neighbors. So, evolutionists have to concede their world view can't condemn genocide, only express preference, which is what you did. It is wrong because I don't want someone to do it to me. I can say it is objectively wrong because we are all made in God's image and all lives matter.
Finally, if the Bible is so full of genocide accounts it should be easy for you to find one. Please do so.
Keize Montoya You should get your money back from those symposiums. Prey that were more adept at escaping lived because slower members of their species or other species died in the jaws of predators. So the engine of evolution is death. With the engine of evolution being death, why do atheists think killing is wrong. 50 men killed in Orlando. So what, more gay men will be born. Tsunami kills 250,000. So what, more people will be born. In the meantime there is a greater abundance of resources for the survivors. A million chickens are killed every day for Americans to eat. According to naturalists that is the same as a million people being killed.
Finally, some evidence. OK. Joshua is the account of one battle, not a genocide. As was common at the time and for another 3,000 years, conquered cities were completely destroyed and the inhabitants either killed or enslaved. Check out the siege of Jerusalem in 70 AD.
I'm surprised you included Deuteronomy. What are you pro-slavery? They were a bunch of slaves escaping Egypt. They had to fight for survival, fight for resources,and the fittest survived. This is far from genocide.
Likewise he account from Numbers, where the displaced Israelites fought against tribes that were opposing them. Really you need to start in Numbers 22 and read to understand the back ground of number 31. Also these tribes practiced child sacrifice. I know atheists think its perfectly acceptable for a mother to kill her child, but it is an abomination in God's eyes.
Everyone brings up Samuel and the Amalekites. Some research into history has to accompany this Scripture. The Amalekites were a tribe of raiders that attacked the Israelites while they were moving to the promised land and continued to raid settlements on the borders of Israel for hundreds of years. Wiping them out was completely justified.
So you see, these "genocides" were simply fights for survival and security.
As for God killing many, many people that is true. We are all in God's hands and He determines the length of our life.
Thank you for your response! One more thing...let's say someone committed a horrible sin, something as evil as rape or murder, and got away with it, then eventually repented and accepted Jesus as their lord and savior,...they would be saved. BUT, the fact that the got away with it and never received jail or justice, will god curse them and cause them to live a bad life?
No. Jesus already took the punishment upon himself so any curse or consequences we could have brought upon ourselves are eliminated. Jesus became the curse on the cross so we can be blessed. Gods justice is different than mans, although mans justice system reflects Gods at times
@@victheflick9644 So the person who was raped or murdered, and their family and anyone connected to them is just screwed because of Jesus? That sucks.
@@kylerichardson1242"you have heard it said 'love your neighbors' but I tell you to love your enemies, and do good to those who hurt you."
"Father forgive them, for they know not what they do."
Christ forgave those who were murdering Him. That is the standard we are all called to.
@@briggy4359 That's awful. You get raped and you just have to say, "Thanks, Jesus. Hope that guy enjoys heaven."
Think about the level of evil you advocating for when you worship Jesus. It's stunning to think people revere a god who would put them through so much injustice.
There are no redeeming qualities to the Christian God. He is pure evil.
Enjoyed this...
For more Biblical evidenses, google, the Northern Cross, by Aquilla Fleetwood, youtube!
Genesis 1: 14, the stars are for signs!
Psalms 75: 6, exaltation comes from God out of the north!
Jeff likes to use "atheist" and "unbeliever" interchangeably when the former is a subset of the latter. I'd love to hear him apply his apologetics to the worldview of someone other than an atheist. Or at least to be intellectually honest and stop acting like his apologetics speak to all unbelievers worldviews.
I have never quite understood the term non-believer. I believe in many things and I don't believe in many other things. But just because I don't believe in gods I am considered a non-believer or an atheist. 🤷🏻♂️
@@vejeke Your "non-believer or an atheist" choice doesn't make sense. (It's like asking "am I considered a human or an atheist?")
* Atheism means, _"disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods."_
* So it includes both disbelief ("gods do not exist") and lack of belief (non-belief).
So you don't have to choose one or the other. You're both a non-believer and an atheist (and a human).
Non-belief is basically just admitting we don't know. For example consider a claim that we're 100% sure you don't know:
* I'm thinking of a claim that's either true or false.
* Do you: (A) believe it's true, (B) believe it's false, or (C) have no belief about my claim?
* This isn't a trick question. I haven't told you what the claim is. I've done that so that we're both sure you don't know the right answer, at which point clearly you can't know it's true or false (and so believing those things wouldn't be rational).
* That leaves non-belief. You don't think it's true, you don't think it's false, you just don't have a position yet because you're absolutely certain you don't know the right answer (and when we're rational, we don't pretend to know things we don't know; we admit non-belief).
There are only two positions believe it or not. With God or against God. And there will come a time when all will have to choose.
The first mistake is assuming you know what other people think and saying you understand what people have been through. The Ancient Greeks were not Christian yet they created art like pottery Christian’s didn’t invent that.
This is not a debate of "who did it better". If you think it is you have missed its point.
@@imago9059 my point is that everything wasn’t made by Christians including America if they did the first amendment wouldn’t exist cause they wouldn’t allow it, they weren’t atheist they where agnostic. Why would Christian’s want the first amendment to exist? They say everyone already knows yet there is so many religions. If everyone knew why would they deny it.
Hey Jeff! I love and appreciate your ministry. What AG church is this? I am ordained through the Assembly of God.
christians, tell me why i should believe God exists. didnt watch video, give me your opinions everyone.
Im waiting for the same thing, I watched this whole video and the speaker made a weak argument.
Maynardk Ford your gonna hate me, lol. Im actually a christian this question was a social experiment. but if you have questions ask me : ) ill try to help
Max the mind
Well do you have any evidence for the existence of any gods?
Maynardk Ford look at it this way, kind of the human body is really complex, the same with life and how everything in the universe operates, you telling me it just all appeard from nothing?
Max the mind
I asked about evidence for any god, do you have any evidence.
Life is complicated therefore god is not evidence.
I thought this guy was a calvinist??? Not Christian, let's be honest
Why would you post something like that? "No True Christian" is such a transparently bad argument. For example I'm a non-believer. Atheist means, _"a person who has received Christian baptism or is a believer in Christianity."_ Well _some_ atheists say "god(s) don't exist" and that's an irrational claim (it's as irrational as the claim _"god(s) DO exist"_ ) but do I go around lying and saying they aren't atheists? No, usually how I handle that is by not calling myself an atheist at all but using the term non-believer which more precisely defines the position I hold (which sure seems to be the most rational position, given our lack of evidence gods do or don't exist!).
I wish education did a better job teaching people logic and rationality. I feel like religion would just disappear in a puff of logic if we were better as a culture at teaching people how to form beliefs close to the truth.
"grateful to be able to grieve with you?"
Odd thing to be grateful for.
_Daithi,_ Maybe. I'm a bit older, and there's a genuine gratefulness (thought quite mild/muted) towards everyone who enabled me to live to this point (so my parents and the 1000+ people who ever cooked meals for me, and the millions of other people who did various other things that helped me keep living, including those in history who provided things like scientific advances that I benefit from). So it's only odd if (A) he's only grateful to be able to grieve - that'd be weird or (B) he's grateful towards an imaginary friend rather than all those real people who he actually has evidence of.
"Absolute proof" means presupposing your conclusion in order to prove your conclusion. Seems legit.
In mathematics, we do it all the time. In order to "prove" anything at all you have to presuppose or rest upon axioms which cannot be proven, And use the laws of logic again which are based on axioms to "prove" new statements. In fact, with Euclidean geometry, switching up the axiom for the parallel postulate gave us non-Euclidean geometry. With the axioms you prove new statements and see if the axioms are good by how useful the mathematical objects that come out of those proofs are in terms of there use. Same thing with set theory, look up axiom of choice, and how using it or not leases to different mathematical worlds so to speak. In fact, add unproven statements to your system and you can prove all sorts of things as long as the axioms are consistent. This is how I can view the Bible, using it as my axioms for living ,how well does it line up with us as humans and our conditions and a explaining our condition.
This was hard for me for a while as "rational " scientist , but realizing that whatever you consider to be true is really really relative to what the axioms on which we base our thinking on.
Take care my friend.
@@christianpecora9859 How then would you rate the Bible's utility as an axiom in which to base human behavior? It seems to me a book which condones chattel slavery, rape, and genocide is-at the very least-harmful to the well-being of humans. Even worse, a document declaring all humans to be born axiomatically destined for either eternal conscious torment or involuntary worship of a dictator is the essence of what you might call "evil".
36:04 Here's how I like "them apples". Isaiah 9:6-7 says the child will lead a governement and bring peace that "will never end". Jesus did neither of those things. Funny how you left that bit out.
Failed prophecy. The Bible is mythology.
You don't strike me as very honest, Jeff.
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@@secretuserforyoutube Different way to go, but ok sure. Either way there are srill no OT prophecies about Jesus.
Where in the text does it say "when" this will happen?
@@ChristisLord2023 It doesn't, but Jesus died without doing either thing. Time's up.
@@kylerichardson1242 I would guess by your response that you struggle with the concept of eternity.
I am a believer, but I do struggle with always wanting to know "is it really true". This has changed my view on that, which I am thankful. However I came up with one question...you said the events of Jesus were written hundreds of years before Jesus, which sounds amazing, BUT, wouldn't the writers of the New Testament just say "hey this is in the Old Testament so let's write that story now so it actually seems real".
Joseph Ventura Great question, and its ok to ask these questions, in case a non-believers asks you that very question. This is similar to the conspiracy theory. Dr. William Lane Craig and Dr. Gary Habermas answer this better, but basically we know from extra biblical sources that the early Christians indeed faced heavy persecution for their faith from Jewish and Roman authorities. No historian disagrees that Jesus existed and was crucified for claiming to be Messiah, and that the disciples claimed that Jesus was raised from the dead. Continuing to push this belief ruined their lives, and they endured torture, and eventually were martyred for not renouncing the claim. When people conspire, they do it not to worsen their lives, but to better their lives or gain power. Secondly, there were several others before Jesus, who claimed to be messiah, and gathered even larger followings, but when they died, so did their movement. Jesus's movement grew after his death, even despite the persecution. The conspiracy theory is just so much less likely than the truth that Jesus did rise from the dead and appear physically to all the disciples on multiple occasions just as the disciples claimed.
Joseph Ventura I would encourage you to rid yourself of distractions and set your entire focus on Jesus and pursue Him with all that you have as well as repent of all sin and ask for encounters with His presence and Holy Spirit. Once you have an encounter with God you will never doubt or question again. Your faith won't be simply off of belief but of experience and eye-witness testimony. I've seen and experienced so much of Him and am starting to see visions and hear His voice. He's so awesome and wants to show up in your life brother.
Joseph Ventura I understand what you mean. It's perfectly normal to ask questions, God's revelation is always progressive, the bible itself was written over 1500 years, that being said we don't get everything all at once, atleast in the physical, your questions under God's sovereignty ultimately are avenues toward perfection, so keep asking, keep searching, and rejoice when you receive the knowledge you seek. James 1:5 says If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him. So ask him for wisdom in those areas.
To answer your question, to make a long story short, no. Remember the point of the new testament, the 4 gospels are 4 different accounts of the life and teaching and ultimately death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Acts is a continuation of one of those accounts about those who had physical encounters/ relationship with Christ. The epistles are addresses to the early churches, and revelation is apocalyptic literature describing the last days. Could they have written something different? Well technically yes, but the style of literature is narrative, narrating what was currently happening (the gospels and acts) and correction and reproof of the churches (pauls epistles) it wasn't about "hey this is what happened in the old testament" but as a necessary addition to the scriptures ofcourse we would see the parrellels from the old testament. The old testament is Jesus Christ concealed, the new testament is Jesus Christ revealed, so naturally it will line up. I encourage you to do historical research as well on the times certain scriptures were written, early church history, etc...if you haven't yet, I see this comment was 6 months ago. I pray God continues to open your understanding and that he reveals all things to you, I Jesus name.
God bless you brother.
The fact that the more learned a Christian is the more likely they are to convert to Judaism, while the less learned a Jew is the less likely he is to convert to Christianity. that should tell a smart person everything they need to know everything non this subject.
If anybody wants any one of his comical proofs debunked please reply to this post with the verse or contact me.
WorshipinIdols Please stop.
WorshipinIdols that Jesus Christ is messiah
Remember your TH-cam ID at Tribulation. I am praying for you. There is still time and God is merciful.
The only proof you offer in support of Christianity seems to be faith. But what has faith got to do with evidence? Faith is no evidence. Please show me some real evidence that Christianity 100% true.
Lol ironically only when you approach this in faith will you get your proof. Your "I have to see to believe" is backwards. When you repent and believe you will see and experience and encounter the reality of Jesus.
There no old testament. That is man made. The whole Bible from Genesis to Revelation which contains 81 books all contain Yeshua's Word.
Pm פיטרוש מיכאל don't you mean 66 books?
I'm not sure what your point is. Do you think that dividing the Bible into Old and New Testament means that we don't think the OT is God's Word. Huh?
37:03 Borrowing from the molinist worldview
Molinism isn't perfect, but it the best explanation I've heard so far for how to explain the Biblical truths of God's absolute Sovereignty, and man's libertarian free will (i.e: our absolute responsibility for sin).
I just wish there were more teachings and debates on it, so I could iron it all out more, and test it more thoroughly against the Word.
Yall suppose to be a pentecostal church" lol
And yes great message, great preacher...
Just in case some people don't want to wait 27 minutes for him to get to the point. He's trying the argument from morality - yeah I know, pathetic.
Where's *your* argument?
Interesting. So why DONT you eat your neighbor? Or do you???
I am allergic to human !
Morrals come from god?, the same god who says killing is a sin but wants blood scarifises? Lol yeah right
LOL
Zzz. Zzz.zzz. "Iam" off to watch paint dry.
There’s something very off about this guy.
I would like to hear about his deepest darkest secrets, the thing in his life that he is most ashamed of. Then maybe he will be a little more humble
Have you seen this guys compatriot Sye Bruggencate? Complete moronic psychopath! I would love to know his secrets too, though may be too scary.
Ah assumptions based on "armchair psychology". Freud would be envious.
Haven't watched the video yet, but I've got a guess: Is it because we know it already in our hearts or some nonsense?
It is not. You could watch it and find out for yourself. He went through how we could establish the foundation of truth, the basis for morality and also the prophecies written centuries ago about Jesus, which was the highlight for me - all open to scrutiny.
+Amb Rose It is foolish to judge something you have not even seen.
Would love to ask this Bible Thumper why is it that a child molester can abuse children their whole lives and then at the end of their miserable lives just say they have repented and by Christianity standards they get a free pass past the pearly gates ?
But a wonderful human whom has only helped people and shown love and compassion, but is not Christian gets to spend eternity burning in hell, any bible thumper have an answer to that ?
Because all fall short of the glory of God. There is not one person that is good. Not one. God’s standard is much higher than man’s standard. If we don’t have the blood of Christ, we have no righteousness in us. It is Christ alone that covers our sin and justifies our sin. Which is the standard we should live as well. Because Christ forgave us much, so also we should forgive others who sin against us.
Blessings to you!
Wow, working with extreme examples is not good for logic. Who is a wonderful non Christian and how would you know if they truly are that wonderful? Proof? If you believe truly that people are wonderful you are deluding yourself and catering to your ego.
Sorry, but the Trinity doctrine is Catholic and it is not Biblical. The oneness doctrine is Jewish (Orthodox) and it is not Biblical. God is complex and has more than 3 forms. Yeshua is part of YHVH, yet He is fully God. John 14:6 is simple. Anything contrary is a lie.
Whatever heretical book you took that from, please burn it or it'll make you loose your soul. Sounds like some New (Old) Age doctrine.
presuppositionalism. I just saved you an hour.
I wonder what kind of perverted things this preacher is doing behind the scenes.
one could wonder the same about you.
123itisnotme I eat my own poop.
I thought so. my secret is I shave my arm pits
Takes one to know one😁
lol this is just pathetic. absolutely 0 evidence presented
1. Biblical prophecy that came to past.
2. Verifiable prophesies from the Dead Sea scrolls.
There you go.
You presented claims, though I am yet to see evidence.
Vladmir Putin these are the evidences! The authors of the Bible wrote these prophesies few hundred years before it actually happened. It's not just general things but to the exact point of what will happen.
Mathematically, these things will happened with a probability nearly approaching zero. But they happened! And this comes to another point, the texts can be verified through thousands and thousands of transcripts and the Dead Sea scrolls where historians can date them a few hundred years before Christ was on the Earth.
I encourage you to look up on this topic yourself as I did and it definitely strengthened my faith.
Your "evidence" debunked: rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_prophecies
Vladmir Putin wow. I wonder why the author did not address the prophesies that came to pass.
It's really common to cherry pick a few verses here and there and come up with our own religion. Yes, there are prophesies that have not come true, I did not say that all prophesies came true.
But know this, there are over 40 authors of the Bible. They hardly knew each other, but they all tell one unified story. So who cares if the Nike river never dried up? The main message was maintained throughout the Bible. It's really hard to sum them all up into one comment but I do encourage you to read the Bible yourself or even learn about the main storyline of the Bible.