I bought the FG830 last year, after reading and watching a lot of reviews on Takamine, Seagull, Fender etc. to replace my old 20 years guitar and I fell in love with Yamaha, cost me around 500$ CAN which is very affordable for a guitar with these build quality, sound etc. I REALLY like mine.
In my opinion, the FG830 is a tad bit better in sound quality. They both sound good, but the LL6 is not so much better that I would spend the difference. Thanks for sharing!!
I have FG830, it is great but it is a bit too bulky for me, I would prefer smaller body for my next acoustic. I think LL6 and some beginning line Taylor are bit smaller in body shape, naturally they are more expensive. I f the size of FG830 is not the problem, I think it is great instrument.
Is the fg830 good for pop songs like shape of u and all... And what about the electric model fgx830c...can you review it? If it is good for on stage performance or not..
They’re hard to beat man. Now I’m in a predicament as I own the fg830 and I’m looking for another guitar with a smaller body and I’m still on a budget. Problem is The fg 830 is so good that it’s hard to compete and a lot of the other Yamahas that do are basically the same with rosewood back and sides and I don’t want something close to it I love it so much I don’t wanna replace it’s. Mine has had a tusq saddle and nut upgrade the action has been lowered plays nice and now it’s getting a worn in sound from hours upon hours of use since I bought it a year and a half ago. I joke with my girlfriend and say it’s the standard upon which I base every guitar up to 1500 dollars. I would not sell that thing unless offered more than it was worth new and even then I have had so much quality time with that guitar and love it so much idek if I could part with it then. I plan on keeping it for the rest of my life. That should tell you a lot right there.
They're both great guitars. if you get the chance also try AMI Sigma's (branded Kindred in the US) or Epiphone Masterbilt's which are in roughly the same price bracket.
Both my son and I own the FG830. I had thought of picking up the LL6 but the Yamaha presenters do not tell us the LL6 has a lminated back and sides just like the 2 830's we own. Presenters state only "Mohogany or Rosewood" back and sides. When truthfully, they are Mohog and Rosdewood VENEER over layerd NATO. $200 more coin of the realm for cooked spruce tops? Seems to be the case!!!
If it doesn't state "solid" then its Plywood of Laminate!! All manufacturers do that, they don't have to state it! Are you sure its Nato in between?? Has that been confirmed to you or is that a guess? I´d like to know as Yamaha used to use plywood not laminate (they are different) all of the same wood.
Hello, Im currently thinking on buying one of this two guitars, im a begginer. I can get the LL6 ARE for 527€ and the FG830 for 348€, the LL6 comes with hard bag included, ARE treatment, Elixir strings and Passive System + SRT Piezo Pickup wich the FG830 hasn`t, what is your opinion? you think the 179€ justifies the LL6 ARE?
The LL6M is the better guitar and worth spending the extra money on in my opinion. This is because it is more solidly constructed has the aged top and is more versatile when used in gigging and recording situations, as it has a passive pickup.
Yes, the LL6's ARE treated top has a lot to do with that. Both are exceptional guitars for the money and in the under £600 bracket blow the lower end Martin's and Taylor's (with their HPL and Richlite fretboards) out of the water.
Thanks for doing a comparison between this two guitars, I was wondering how the newer scalloped bracing FG830 would sound compared to the LL6 non-scallop but with A.R.E. technology.... The LL6 definitely sounds better imo.
I agree that the LL6 is better sounding, the FG830 may catch up a little as the top begins to open out but that will take years. What I would say though is that in the last 3 years Yamaha has really upped its game in the under £700 price range (I've seen the all solid wood LL16M ARE as low as £650). I would class the new 800 series as spectacular for the money and the revamped LL series with all models now with ARE Engelman treated tops is also making a huge difference. American guitar companies such as Taylor, Martin, Collins, Gibson and Larivee must be quaking in their boots because the new Yamaha's are proving how over priced their guitars are.
No it does not sound better, they both sound good but it’s about even in sound but an edge goes to the FG-830 because of the Scalloped bracing…big difference…
Tony smith What should I buy? An Epiphone Dove Pro or one of this Yamaha? Should I look for an electric-acoustic Yamaha guitar? I want to but my first guitar but I’m confused. I heard that electric-acoustic guitars sound bad unplugged and the only time I’ll plugg it will be on stage. Can you give me some advices,please ?
If I was you I would buy the LL6M because it can be plugged in and its a better guitar imho than the FG830. Keep the price down though by purchasing the guitar on the second hand market. Have you got Gumtree in Romania?
I think the FG850 sounds better. It's a subjective thing. The 850 may be a few sheckles more, but just a beautiful instrument. I own an LL16D, an LL16/12 and an FG820. about to bite the bullet on an FS850 to round out the collection.....
This is incorrect, the 430 was an all laminate guitar, I should know, I've owned one and its not in the same league as the FG830 or the heat treated LL6M ARE.
Tone is subjective, so fair enough, both guitars are great and IMHO get very close to part laminated Martin's and Taylor's, at a fraction of the price. Yamaha make fantastic guitars and I think they are seriously under rated, especially the all solid guitars in their LL series.
I have a LL16 and a FG730 as my "cheaper" guitars. The FG730 is a much better balanced guitar while the LL16 is no good as soon as you strum it. It has no compression thus horribly muddy in that application. The best Yamaha I've every played was a LS26, hands down.
That's more to do with the poor quality of the in built mic in the camera and my playing than the guitars pre se so I would advise giving them a try yourself in a music store before writing them off.
LL6M Is solid mahogany. Also, the LL6M is an incredible guitar for the price, picked this up a few months back on sale for £390, a few weeks after that spend £1,500 on a Martin guitar, which i sent back as it didn’t even sound as good as the Yamaha. The LL6M (well mine at least) is probably one of the best guitars you can get at the price and probably a fair bit up
Martin guitars are overrated and over priced. You need to check the specs, the LL6 is definitely not an all solid wood guitar, it only has a solid top because its the cheapest guitar in the LL range.
Yes, the M stands for Mahogany if there is no ending prefix then its Rosewood back and sides. The LL16 is the first guitar in the LL range to be all solid, the LL6 is the cheapest guitar in the LL range and the only one to have laminate back and sides. The LL6 does have a solid top though.
I bought the FG830 last year, after reading and watching a lot of reviews on Takamine, Seagull, Fender etc. to replace my old 20 years guitar and I fell in love with Yamaha, cost me around 500$ CAN which is very affordable for a guitar with these build quality, sound etc. I REALLY like mine.
Picked up my FG830 today same as yours off the back of your reviews, well happy with it for £300, thanks for doing these vids, much appreciated.
Glad to have helped out.
3:11 LL6M
5:49 FG830
I have both models, having just aquired a used LL6M ARE. I got my FG830 3 years ago and has really opened up. Both are cannons.
Which sounds better, particularly for strumming
@@Gminson I like the sound of my FG830 a bit more
After much consideration I am buying the FG 830
In my opinion, the FG830 is a tad bit better in sound quality. They both sound good, but the LL6 is not so much better that I would spend the difference. Thanks for sharing!!
FG 830...the best by far
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I have FG830, it is great but it is a bit too bulky for me, I would prefer smaller body for my next acoustic. I think LL6 and some beginning line Taylor are bit smaller in body shape, naturally they are more expensive. I f the size of FG830 is not the problem, I think it is great instrument.
Take a look at the Yamaha FS830.
I'll go for the LL6M if I have the extra money. Base is a lot more defined
Yeah, I think the LL6 is a better guitar but it should be it costs more and its also part of Yamaha's LL series luxury guitar range.
The LL6 is a jumbo shaped guitar so its naturally going to have more bass frequencies.
Is the fg830 good for pop songs like shape of u and all...
And what about the electric model fgx830c...can you review it?
If it is good for on stage performance or not..
It's only good for nu metal
The LL seemed a tad louder, but in terms of sustain, and frequency response I actually preferred the fg.
Well, I suppose tone is nothing if not subjective. The bottom line is that both sound really good and compete with much higher costing guitars IMHO.
Tony smith 100% agree, Yamaha is a bang for the champion.
LL6M has the more defined base. Could barely hear it on the FG
Personally, I think the FG model has a better tone.
Tone is subjective, I don't think they sound tinny, the ARE treated tops and scalloped bracing make them sound superb.
Tony smith just a correction, the L series doesn’t have scalloped bracing. :-)
I think the scalloped bracing doesnt make the fg 830 pleasant to me the fg730 sounds better
Wow im actually very surprised. I was looking into buying a ll6 but after watching this video the fg830 is better by a long mile.
They’re hard to beat man. Now I’m in a predicament as I own the fg830 and I’m looking for another guitar with a smaller body and I’m still on a budget. Problem is The fg 830 is so good that it’s hard to compete and a lot of the other Yamahas that do are basically the same with rosewood back and sides and I don’t want something close to it I love it so much I don’t wanna replace it’s. Mine has had a tusq saddle and nut upgrade the action has been lowered plays nice and now it’s getting a worn in sound from hours upon hours of use since I bought it a year and a half ago. I joke with my girlfriend and say it’s the standard upon which I base every guitar up to 1500 dollars. I would not sell that thing unless offered more than it was worth new and even then I have had so much quality time with that guitar and love it so much idek if I could part with it then. I plan on keeping it for the rest of my life. That should tell you a lot right there.
I very much agree…(scalloped bracing too!)
very nice comparison. do they both have same strings? I personally prefer the ll6 as it sounds richer
The strings are stock so different.
Seems the neck on the FG830 is easier to get around on. Is that true? My first impression. Thx.
Yes, that's true.
I prefer the FG - Thank you
THe FG830 sounds better to my ears...
How could you possibly tell with his highly amateur playing? He doesn't have any touch at all.
LL6 gets my vote
I preferred the FG 830. I own one and am planning on purchasing a FG 820 12 string next.
They're both great guitars. if you get the chance also try AMI Sigma's (branded Kindred in the US) or Epiphone Masterbilt's which are in roughly the same price bracket.
+Tony smith I will certainly look into that...thanks. great video
Stay away from cheap 12 strings. I couldn't get my FG820-12 string on EBay fast enough to buy a more high-end 12 string.
I really, REALLY wish they'd make an FG850-12. There's something about an all-mahogany 12.
Is the FG830 good for Rock and blues?
Both my son and I own the FG830. I had thought of picking up the LL6 but the Yamaha presenters do not tell us the LL6 has a lminated back and sides just
like the 2 830's we own. Presenters state only "Mohogany or Rosewood" back and sides. When truthfully, they are Mohog and Rosdewood VENEER over layerd
NATO. $200 more coin of the realm for cooked spruce tops? Seems to be the case!!!
LL16 is the solid back and sides. Roughly $1000 USD but it comes with a case apparently.
If it doesn't state "solid" then its Plywood of Laminate!! All manufacturers do that, they don't have to state it! Are you sure its Nato in between?? Has that been confirmed to you or is that a guess? I´d like to know as Yamaha used to use plywood not laminate (they are different) all of the same wood.
Hello,
Im currently thinking on buying one of this two guitars, im a begginer. I can get the LL6 ARE for 527€ and the FG830 for 348€, the LL6 comes with hard bag included, ARE treatment, Elixir strings and Passive System + SRT Piezo Pickup wich the FG830 hasn`t, what is your opinion? you think the 179€ justifies the LL6 ARE?
The LL6M is the better guitar and worth spending the extra money on in my opinion. This is because it is more solidly constructed has the aged top and is more versatile when used in gigging and recording situations, as it has a passive pickup.
Thank you very much Tony! keep up the good work, stay good!
Try and find a secondhand LL6M ARE that's where the best bargains are the seconhand market, try ebay or Gumtree.
@@Edward1312 What do you mean by more solidly constructed? is the FG830 going to fall apart or are things dropping of it?
@@paulneedham9885 probably wrong description I really meant heavier!
the fg 830 sounds good for the money i like the darker tone of the rosewood, but for clarity, the ll6m is a little better
Yes, the LL6's ARE treated top has a lot to do with that. Both are exceptional guitars for the money and in the under £600 bracket blow the lower end Martin's and Taylor's (with their HPL and Richlite fretboards) out of the water.
Fg830 wins any time any day ....
mak man
Simply because you can’t afford the L-series!🤪😝🤪😝
What about night?
You own all those guitars???
thanks for posting this. I'm looking at these guitars.
They are both fantastic guitars for the money.
The LL's is nice, but the only thing prevented me buying these, they're jumbo body, not a dread. Too big for my taste
I would prefer FG830
Its a great guitar for the money.
Thanks for doing a comparison between this two guitars, I was wondering how the newer scalloped bracing FG830 would sound compared to the LL6 non-scallop but with A.R.E. technology.... The LL6 definitely sounds better imo.
I agree that the LL6 is better sounding, the FG830 may catch up a little as the top begins to open out but that will take years. What I would say though is that in the last 3 years Yamaha has really upped its game in the under £700 price range (I've seen the all solid wood LL16M ARE as low as £650). I would class the new 800 series as spectacular for the money and the revamped LL series with all models now with ARE Engelman treated tops is also making a huge difference. American guitar companies such as Taylor, Martin, Collins, Gibson and Larivee must be quaking in their boots because the new Yamaha's are proving how over priced their guitars are.
No it does not sound better, they both sound good but it’s about even in sound but an edge goes to the FG-830 because of the Scalloped bracing…big difference…
@@jeff0566jsm"NO iT dOeSnT sOunD bEtTeR"...dude, its an opinion, just like yours.
the fg 830 is cheaper because it sounds cheaper, sorry folks but it does,,
Excellent
Good review. But I can’t stand the way a plectrum sounds when picking notes 😣🤢
He's not a good player. I hate to say that. But he's a poor player. All those guitars and that's how he plays?
good review x
Can this yamaha guitars be plugged?
Yes, but it is a passive pickup so you have no volume and tone controls in or on the guitar. The volume has to be controlled from your amp.
Tony smith What should I buy? An Epiphone Dove Pro or one of this Yamaha? Should I look for an electric-acoustic Yamaha guitar? I want to but my first guitar but I’m confused. I heard that electric-acoustic guitars sound bad unplugged and the only time I’ll plugg it will be on stage. Can you give me some advices,please ?
If I was you I would buy the LL6M because it can be plugged in and its a better guitar imho than the FG830. Keep the price down though by purchasing the guitar on the second hand market. Have you got Gumtree in Romania?
No, I think we don’t, but it’s ok...my budget for guitar is around $500. Does LL6M have a Jumbo Body? Is it better than Epiphone Dove Pro?
Or what about Yamaha ac1m? Btw, thank you for your answers! =)
3:11 5:48
Tony,the FG830 is good for Rock and blues?
Yes, its a great guitar for all genre's of music.
A little rough to tell sound differences. You played better on the FG
Cort Earth 200 or Yamaha fg830 ???
I cant comment because I haven't heard or played the Cort Earth 200.
Yamaha's LL series luxury guitar range, it's true b/c LL's sound better
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The Yamaha FG 830 is a better intonation guitar than ANYTHING else on the market ..... For $350.00 .......... Hands down .
I think the FG850 sounds better. It's a subjective thing. The 850 may be a few sheckles more, but just a beautiful instrument. I own an LL16D, an LL16/12 and an FG820. about to bite the bullet on an FS850 to round out the collection.....
LL6 by a mile
My FG-430 1980 is just as good or better than this FG 830. Don't let that heat treatment fool you.
This is incorrect, the 430 was an all laminate guitar, I should know, I've owned one and its not in the same league as the FG830 or the heat treated LL6M ARE.
Yamaha fg3
Ouch..... easy with that chair bang. @2:59.
Very bad microphone!
Yes, it's built into the camera so not very good quality, I'll upgrade at some point.
Fg830 is better ... any day
Tone is subjective, so fair enough, both guitars are great and IMHO get very close to part laminated Martin's and Taylor's, at a fraction of the price. Yamaha make fantastic guitars and I think they are seriously under rated, especially the all solid guitars in their LL series.
FG 830....
I have a LL16 and a FG730 as my "cheaper" guitars. The FG730 is a much better balanced guitar while the LL16 is no good as soon as you strum it. It has no compression thus horribly muddy in that application. The best Yamaha I've every played was a LS26, hands down.
They both sound like s***. Now I'm not going to buy either one
That's more to do with the poor quality of the in built mic in the camera and my playing than the guitars pre se so I would advise giving them a try yourself in a music store before writing them off.
LL6M Is solid mahogany. Also, the LL6M is an incredible guitar for the price, picked this up a few months back on sale for £390, a few weeks after that spend £1,500 on a Martin guitar, which i sent back as it didn’t even sound as good as the Yamaha. The LL6M (well mine at least) is probably one of the best guitars you can get at the price and probably a fair bit up
Martin guitars are overrated and over priced. You need to check the specs, the LL6 is definitely not an all solid wood guitar, it only has a solid top because its the cheapest guitar in the LL range.
Tony smith I have the LL6M, the M is for the mahogany on the back, isn’t that solid wood?
Yes, the M stands for Mahogany if there is no ending prefix then its Rosewood back and sides. The LL16 is the first guitar in the LL range to be all solid, the LL6 is the cheapest guitar in the LL range and the only one to have laminate back and sides. The LL6 does have a solid top though.
Agree…