As a Philippine born Filipina we identify and were taught in school that we are asians/se asians (the PH is located in ASIA)...period....This pacific islander thingy is quite suprising and confusing (for us born and raised in the PH 🤔) as a topic for Fil americans...its sad to know they are not in touch with their motherland hence having an identity crisis on who they really are.
Its understandable if you mingle with Asians Americans. The main idea of Asian in America is Chinese, Korean, Japanese. They look alike because they have shared genetics and culture. Filipinos don't look like them. We see the Hawaiians, Chamorros, Tahitians and they look more like us.
Filipinos were Latino first, which is why they still have Spanish names, and Spanish in their language. I remember Vanessa Hudgens was casted as a Latina in high school musical shows, I never understand that tbh
@@thyphanhmaha Laos, Cambodia... no. Indonesians yes. Can you tell a Filipino from a full Chamorro? No. An Aeta from other Melanesians? Filipinos are way more diverse in features than the entire Pacific. Consider recent history as well, the majority of Hawaiians now are not native, very few are pure, many have Filipino ancestry.
@@Basta11 lmfao cambodian literally looks filipino. can you tell the difference between a phuan and a filipino? can you tell a filipino and a khemer? chamroor acnestors are from south east asian and considered to be non native. the natives of guam are the guamnian who looks totally different from filipinos. aeta ARE melanesian they are minorties in the philippines. your argument is invalid hawaii have many filipino ancestry because the during american era they bring filipino workers who belong in the lower caste there as cheap labor
Pacific islander is an American term that came about in my time as we're all trying to find the correct label in identifying themselves. Filipinos in the Philippines do not use this concept or label. Ask what Polynesians think about it though lol. Some are offended but most are open to it. Lol
The Philippines is in Asia. If you are Filipino then you are Asian. Filipinos who think that they are Pacific Islanders probably never met Indonesians and other fellow Malays. 😂
I am pretty sure before colonization....Malaysia, Philippines, and Indonesia were all one kingdom. That was what I learned in my Asian history class ..
@@robto Right. And actually most Filipinos ethnically are a Malay/Chinese mix....The only thing that separates Filipinos from modern Malays is difference of religion. I only mention this because most people don't know that Filipinos are ethnically Malay. The word "Filipino" was thrust upon Filipinos by foreign invaders...it is a made up word and does not define the true race of Filipinos.
This "Filipinos are Pacific Islander" nonsense was just a claim that some Filipino Americans made-up to themselves probably because they're disconnected and oblivious to their immigrant parents’ heritage. It has nothing to do with the actual Filipinos and the Philippines itself. The term Pacific Islander doesn't exist in Filipino vocabulary that's why most people in the Philippines don't know what a Pacific Islander is. Philippines has always been Southeast Asia along with Malaysia and Indonesia whom they share a common heritage. You'll never meet an actual Filipino, Indonesian and Malaysian claiming to be Pacific Islander unlike these Fil-Ams. So the question shouldn't be if "Are Filipinos Pacific Islander or Asian?" it should be "Why some Fil-Ams are claiming to be Pacific Islander?".
I agree with you 100%! I am a half Filipino half European American who was born and raised in the United States. I have been to the Philippines two times in my life to visit my relatives, and I have always regarded myself as an Asian American. Plus, through a DNA test I took, the majority of my Asian ancestry comes from Indonesia, Malaysia, and the Philippines, with some also from Myanmar. While the rest of my Asian ancestry comes from Japan, Korea, Bangladesh, Nepal, and Afghanistan. This makes sense to me since we Filipinos have always identified ourselves as being related to Indonesians and Malaysians, and the fact that the Philippines received Hindu and Buddhist influences from India in things like the Laguna Copperplate Inscription and Baybayin, ancient Hindu and Buddhist artifacts from the Philippines, Tagalog loanwords from Sanskrit as Fung Bros stateded, as well as Japanese influence in the Philippines like Tagalog loanwords from Japanese as Fung Bros stated, Japanese pottery found in the Philippines from over 400 years ago, Japanese immigrants who immigrated to the Philippines as depicted in the Boxer Codex, Kakigori being the predecessor to Halo Halo, Odong noodles being descended from Udon noodles, means that we Filipinos are 100% Asian. Always have been, always will be.
They're just using the Pacific Islander as a scapegoat not wanting to be called as Asians and away from the Asian stereotypes. I, personally, prefer to be Asian. Being able to speak more than 2 languages, puts the cherry on top.
Yes this is accurate. I live in Australia, lived in New Guinea, lots of filos in both countries. Although they are familiar with the term Pac Islander and what that actually is (coz they are actually near and in the Pacific Islands region), none of them have ever struglled with what they are - SE Asians. This thing with filams claiming pac islander is strictly an American thing, and its no wonder, with all the race and identity politics that plays out in the states, its no wonder. Just claim it, who cares if ur asian.
@@mmxcix i think u missed the point. Its not that anyone cares what options you have on a form, its about identifying as something you simply are not. In this case its filos calling themselves pac islanders. Where the 'american' part comes in is, this is a phenomena unique to fil-ams. The filos who live everywhere else on the planet do not have this problem as they understand that they are asian.
A lot of Filipinos aren't aware of other Austonesians, they don't know that Maoris call lice, flea, "Kutu" or that they coun't like this tahi, rua, toru, wha, rima, ono, whitu, waru, iwa, tekau. But who cares anyways PacIslander is a Western Anthropology term. Malays, Indonesians, Filipinos, PacIslanders, Malagasy, are all related.
Filipinos are Asian. Filipinos as Pacific Islander have only been discussed here in the US. If Filipinos are seen as such then our Malaysian & Indonesian neighbors should be called that as well …
Indonesia and Malaysia are in the Pacific Ocean and their land masses are too small to be called Continents. Not only that but Papa New Guinea which shares an Island with Indonesia is considered Pacific Islander. The term Malayo-Polynesian was used before also.
I'm a Fil-Am. When I think Pacific Islanders, I think of people from Fiji, Tonga, Samoa. The Maori of New Zealand. There are some minor similarities between indigenous Filipino cultures and those places, but there are a lot more similiarities with Filipino culture as a whole and other Asians.
Growing up in California, I always heard Filipinos consider themselves as southeast Asian since they are relatively farther than China, Japan, and Korea.
I know a Filipino wrestling fan who racially identifies himself way more with the Samoan wrestler The Rock than he does with the Japanese wrestler Shinsuke Nakamura. He does not see himself as Asian at all!
@@josephimperatrice5552 lol, that doesn't make him Pacific Islander. Millions of Filipinos love Kpop and yet that doesn't make Filipinos Koreans or East Asians.
Because my people are one of the most self-hating Asians out there. They'd rather be considered as Hispanics then Pacific Islanders than Asians. Because Hispanics and Pacific Islanders are seen as "Cooler" than Asians. Also, which why you probably notice lots of Filipinos born in NA tend to have more Black Friends than like having other Asian friends (chinese, koreans, japanese, etc) Because its "cool".
@@chewy6487 Bro the word Asian is meaningless. Calling Chinese and Malay people "Asian" means nothing, there's no similarity between us. This category is nonsense, If you're adamant on calling someone Asian just apply it to East Asian. No Austronesian group wants to be identified the same as East Asian. We're not them, never was.
Any Filipino who identifies as Pacific Islander is misinformed or just wants to feel special. We're Asian. We're no more Pacific Islander than Indonesians and Malaysians are. Pacific Islanders are one of many Austronesians which Filipinos (as are Indonesians, Malaysians, native Hawaiians, Maori, Samoans, etc.) are. We share similar cultural traits w/ each other but Pacific Islander denotes more of a geographical region as does Maritime Southeast Asia. It sounds arbitrary but the Philippines and other countries such as Indonesia and Malaysia have closer cultural ties to Asia than the Pacific Islands- Indian influence and the Spice Trade, the Maritime Silk Road, trade w/ China, and the growth of Islam (through trade w/ people of the Arabian peninsula), are shared similarities that Maritime SEA has that most Pacific Island nations don't.
Identity is a malleable thing. With many factors dictating what culture you feel attached to. We’re you in foster care? Did u have access to good education? Did you biological parents care about passing on their culture etc..
I agree with you 100%! But don't forget that the Japanese people also immigrated to the Philippines in the last 600 years as depicted in the Boxer Codex. I am a half Filipino half European American who was born and raised in the United States. I have been to the Philippines two times in my life to visit my relatives, and I have always regarded myself as an Asian American. Plus, through a DNA test I took, the majority of my Asian ancestry comes from Indonesia, Malaysia, and the Philippines, with some also from Myanmar. While the rest of my Asian ancestry comes from Japan, Korea, Bangladesh, Nepal, and Afghanistan. This makes sense to me since we Filipinos have always identified ourselves as being related to Indonesians and Malaysians, and the fact that the Philippines received Hindu and Buddhist influences from India in things like the Laguna Copperplate Inscription and Baybayin, ancient Hindu and Buddhist artifacts from the Philippines, Tagalog loanwords from Sanskrit as Fung Bros stateded, as well as Japanese influence in the Philippines like Tagalog loanwords from Japanese as Fung Bros stated, Japanese pottery found in the Philippines from over 400 years ago, Japanese immigrants who immigrated to the Philippines as depicted in the Boxer Codex, Kakigori being the predecessor to Halo Halo, Odong noodles being descended from Udon noodles, means that we Filipinos are 100% Asian. Always have been, always will be.
I find if funny how Filipino's don't care to learn about their past and acknowledge the truth. My ex born and raised in the Philippines didn't even know she was part Spaniard. All I did was ask her mother other their great grand parents. Along side her sister in-law father was half Chinese. There were not even aware of their background. It's important to know because sometimes even Asian groups are racist to others. But when you know you may be genetically part of that group, your belief system change about them. I'd say there, should be any but in reality there is nothing we can do.
I remember in middle school during 2005-2008 all filipinos would claim PI so they don't get associated with negative asian sterotypes like small pp and others. And during high school 2009-2012 they would claim asian once like kpop started becoming more famous to benefit off asian culture lol they literally just picking and choosing whatever benefits them. Went to school in the US in the west coast btw.
@@quincy189 I think I heard some Filipino claiming to be Pacific Islander to perhaps get into harder colleges more easily back when I was in high school.
I was born in the Philippines and have lived half of my life there before moving to the US. We have always considered ourselves Asians or Southeast Asians to be specific. I’ve never met any Filipinos who identified as a Pacific Islander. The ones I see online that do, they’re usually Filipino Americans that were born here or came to the US at a very young age and they call themselves that because they’ve heard it from non-Filipinos who just would not know what to identify us as.
This is so wrong. Majority of pilipinos are Austronesians, the rest are minorities including Chinese or Asian descent. Hence, Pilipinos are Pacific islanders or Austronesians. Get your facts straight!!
@@___Anakin.Skywalker Nope, he's correct about Fil-Ams and you're wrong. The term Austronesian refers to a language family that isn't exclusive to Pacific Islanders since it encompasses a significant portion of Southeast Asia as well such as Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei, East Timor, Singapore and Indonesia. Heck, not all Austronesians live in an island and there are Austronesians in Mainland Southeast Asia as well like the Cham people of Vietnam and Cambodia. Saying Filipinos aren’t Southeast Asians just because they’re Austronesians is just as ridiculous like saying Indians aren’t South Asians just because they speak an Indo-European language. So get your facts straight by not misusing the term Austronesian.
@@___Anakin.Skywalker you are WRONG! austronesian doesn't mean apcific islanders. austronesian infact is a language term asia means people of asia. Filipinos are not apcifici lsnader you are embarassing
Filipinos are SOUTHEAST ASIANS. They are very much related to Indonesians, Malaysians & Native Taiwanese. They are not East Asians, like Chinese, Koreans or Japanese. The problem with American perceptions is that when they say Asians, they mean East Asians.
A lot of Filipinos are Chinese though. Many Filipinos are mixed with Chinese. Chinese culture has practically blended in with Filipino culture. The average Filipino has Chinese ancestry...
@@ElizabethChee-rj7bn I am a half Filipino half European American who was born and raised in the United States. I have been to the Philippines two times in my life to visit my relatives, and I have always regarded myself as an Asian American. Plus, through a DNA test I took, the majority of my Asian ancestry comes from Indonesia, Malaysia, and the Philippines, with some also from Myanmar. While the rest of my Asian ancestry comes from Japan, Korea, Bangladesh, Nepal, and Afghanistan. This makes sense to me since we Filipinos have always identified ourselves as being related to Indonesians and Malaysians, and the fact that the Philippines received Hindu and Buddhist influences from India in things like the Laguna Copperplate Inscription and Baybayin, ancient Hindu and Buddhist artifacts from the Philippines, Tagalog loanwords from Sanskrit as Fung Bros stateded, as well as Japanese influence in the Philippines like Tagalog loanwords from Japanese as Fung Bros stated, Japanese pottery found in the Philippines from over 400 years ago, Japanese immigrants who immigrated to the Philippines as depicted in the Boxer Codex, Kakigori being the predecessor to Halo Halo, Odong noodles being descended from Udon noodles, means that we Filipinos are 100% Asian. Always have been, always will be.
I am a half Filipino half European American who was born and raised in the United States. I have been to the Philippines two times in my life to visit my relatives, and I have always regarded myself as an Asian American. Plus, through a DNA test I took, the majority of my Asian ancestry comes from Indonesia, Malaysia, and the Philippines, with some also from Myanmar. While the rest of my Asian ancestry comes from Japan, Korea, Bangladesh, Nepal, and Afghanistan. This makes sense to me since we Filipinos have always identified ourselves as being related to Indonesians and Malaysians, and the fact that the Philippines received Hindu and Buddhist influences from India in things like the Laguna Copperplate Inscription and Baybayin, ancient Hindu and Buddhist artifacts from the Philippines, Tagalog loanwords from Sanskrit as Fung Bros stateded, as well as Japanese influence in the Philippines like Tagalog loanwords from Japanese as Fung Bros stated, Japanese pottery found in the Philippines from over 400 years ago, Japanese immigrants who immigrated to the Philippines as depicted in the Boxer Codex, Kakigori being the predecessor to Halo Halo, Odong noodles being descended from Udon noodles, means that we Filipinos are 100% Asian. Always have been, always will be.
Technically speaking Pacific Islanders are Austronesians and Melanesians while Filipinos are Austronesians (plus various other races/ethnicities) so yeah they are connected. It's just that Filipino textbooks are outdated and most Filipinos are barely aware of the other races/ethnicities that are mixed in their blood. There are also other SEA countries with Austronesian blood. Anyway, Filipinos are Asians that are genetically connected to Pacific Islanders due to being Austronesians.
@@arien_000 Pacific Islanders have a Papuan component and an Asian component, recent discoveries in DNA point that the Asian component came from groups in the Philippines, like Kankanaey Igorots, which if you're Filipino is astonishing because they are not known to be a Maritime people. Filipinos in the Philippines are waaay behind, they're almost kept in the dark about these developments,
What qualifies Filipinos to say they are Asian? Being Asian is not a right, but a privilege that you must earn. You just go around telling the world you're Spanish-Oriental, Spanish-Asian, Asian-Latino.
Filipinos are not Pacific Islanders. We are a mix of Indonesians, Malaysians, and the local Negritos. That is what I remember being taught to us in school back home.
When I was a little kid I was confused and thought we were Pacific Islander for some reason (misinformation). But definitely Asian! Filipinos actually have a lot in common with Indonesians and Malays (who are also considered Asian). Also, a lot of the comfort food I grew up with when I was younger is closer to Chinese (also Asian) like tomato and egg, etc.
@@jmedz893 US census should add Maritime South East Asian (Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Brunei, Philippines) as sub-group of Asian. Thai, Vietnamese, Cambodian, Burmese, Lao are Mainland South East Asians not Maritime one.
@@faustinuskaryadi6610We shouldn't be called Asian in the first place. We are Austronesian. We don't eat using chopsticks, neither do we identify with East Asian culture. We should separate ourselves as Austronesian or Malayo-Polynesian.
@@potatoeskimos The chopstick culture should be called Sinosphere instead Asia. The original meaning of Asia if you read New Testament Bible is the region around Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran not China.
@@potatoeskimos Native Lebanese from Lebanon identify themselves as Asian despite they are not part of chopstick culture. Only people in US think Asian is synonymous with Sinosphere aka Chinese culture. Originally the word Asia means any land East of Aegean Sea, that's why Iranian and Turkey also identify themselves as Asian. It's just US people that screwd original meaning of Asian since Japanese and Chinese descents in US dislike to be called as Mongoloid.
Technically the distance from coast of Philippines to the coast China is the same distance between Sacramento and San Diego.. but the distance from the Philippines to Samoa is farther than the distance from San Diego to Toronto. I doubt a Californian would declare themselves from North Eastern Canadian than West Coast American
yeh, its a sad by-product of growing up on a diet of American identity politics. I wouldn't dream of identifying as a culture and people I have no connection or understanding to AT ALL. thats a piss-take, an insult to real Pacific Islanders.
@@s2oop436I'm a Filipino and I have NEVER heard a single Filipino say "we're Pacific Islanders." Nope. We are proud Southeast Asian Filipinos and Hispanic too plus 80 percent Americanised
Fil-Ams claiming to be Pacific Islanders need to go back to the Philippines, especially in the cities where Filipinos look from a range of looking like Indo-Malay to Chinese, to Spanish or Caucasian. Also, if we're talking about being "brown" Southeast Asian, how about our Indonesian and Malaysian brothers? We bare more resemblance to them physically in culturally than Pacific Islanders.
@@UnstableYT-u7kno, but there’s a language so close to spanish, called chavacano. not sure if it’s really spanish cus i watched videos of spanish ppl reacting to it and they understand but at the same time, they don’t
You missed one of the very obvious reason why some from the US or Fil-Am identify as Pacific Island and it's because the Philippines is an island in the Pacific as opposed to all those other countries you mentioned. To me, this was a big reason why many identified this way before when I think this topic has it's first wind. Either way, I think Filipinos are a bit in an advantage to be able to identify in a bit more ways than others and for so many different reasons. Nothing wrong with how one wants to identify as everyone's individual experience is valid.
@@forthesnowflakes7691 Like the Philippines, Indonesia is also an archipelago and not connected to mainland Asia. So are Japan and Taiwan and they don't identify as Pacific Islanders just because of that. Also, Filipinos actually have more in common with other Southeast Asians than Pacific Islanders.
@@GTX311 exactly and do Japanese or Koreans or Taiwanese have any resemblance to Polynesian brothers? Not in the slightest but Filipinos do and Filipinos program, get mistaken and mix culturally with Samoan, Tongans and Hawaiians. If you're from California or the Bay Area you would understand a bit more. And if you are and still don't get it then maybe you're a square.
Bingo! With Japan being an archipelago in the Pacific Ocean, should we start calling the Japanese Pacific Islanders? And the term "Asian" doesn't apply to East and Southeast Asians only. Just ask the Lebanese, who consider themselves Asian as well.
@@Culturalgazelle not all filipinos have tribal tatoo it was not even practice by lowland filipinos. not all filipinos are dark skinned majority are actually light skinned to biege. thats why the filipino are pacific islander claims are BS
I think as far as most people are concerned, "Asian-ness" is how "Chinese" someone is. Like Japanese and Koreans look very Chinese and have very Sinicised cultures so they're definitely Asian. Southeast Asians look kinda Chinese but darker-skinned and have more Indianised cultures so they're only sometimes considered Asian. South Asians look completely different and don't have much Chinese influence in their culture which is why there's always debate about whether they're even Asian (even though a lot of "Chinese culture" like Buddhism and Kung Fu really originated from India). Then there are Central Asians, Siberians and Eskimos who aren't even in the discussion even though they're all pretty Chinese-looking.
This is so true, this is what I say too. In the US and certain other Western nations, "Asianness" is defined by how close you are to Chinese culture and people.
Speaking as a non-Filipino East Asian who grew up amongst many Filipino Americans, this is just my observation. Keep in mind that this is mostly in reference to Amboys/girls. I think they seem to "code switch" between both Asian and Pacific Islander depending on what's convenient, or what's cool and trending at the time. During my HS years, I remember the young dudes rocking war helmets and those Islander t-shirts with super ripped dudes on them, which are more akin to Samoan, Fijian, and Tongan. They would also regularly wear puka shell necklaces and bracelets. Once the import car scene came about, and then anime, boba, k-pop, etc., suddenly, Filipinos seemed to become more "Asian." I even now see boba shops owned by Filipinos blasting K-pop and J-pop on the PA system. Some of the biggest “weebs” I have ever met are all Filipino. Samoans and Tongans are definitely NOT that into the East Asian pop culture in the same manner. Another thing I notice is that Filipino Americans are not that into the media produced by their native country. Whereas HK, Taiwanese, Korean, etc. Americans often listen to the music and consume the movies and television programs from their homelands, I notice most Amboys/girls do not. Also, when Filipinos make it to Hollywood, they often have to portray an East Asian ethnicity because of the lack of Filipino identity. Tia Carrere and Dante Basco are prime examples.
Thank you for saying this! I remember growing up in high school and the majority of them would NEVER claim to be Asian because it wasn't the cool thing to say. But now, they love claiming they are Asian and code switch when it is convenient. We still love them but it is interesting to see how the tables have turned... lol
I also recently went to a Hawaiian reggae concert in NorCal, and I’d say that perhaps 66% of the crowd was Filipino. The rest were maybe 30% actual Pacific Islanders, 3% white, and besides me, 0% East Asian.
Im most likely much older than you the filams that i grew up with would never associate themselves with kpop, anime or any of those typical asian nerdy stuffs heck even my east asian homies mocked and frowned upon asians who were into those things it was gangsta rap all day anyday for them, i guess what im saying is different times different place.
It’s odd for those you interviewed before, they called themselves Pacific Islanders because of preference or ignorance, even other neighboring Asian countries like Korea, China, Japan, Indonesia, Malaysia, HK, Singapore, Thailand and Vietnam, they never used the term Pacific Island to describe Philippines, while politically, in events we don’t get involved in Pacific events when it’s called “Pacific” only, but we get involved when it’s called Asia-Pacific. Kudos to you guys, you have much more knowledge and wider view on this topic than those Fil-Am who claimed they are Pacific Islanders
Its because the countries you mentioned had never in their history that the People pactice Pacific Islander culture. But the Philippines before the Spanish practice the Pacific Islanders culture. Spanish even call them "Pindados" just like the natives of Tonga, Samoa etc.
@@joshi6898 News Flash! If you look at the world map, you'll see that the Philippines is located in Southeast Asia. Plus, my Whole Genome Sequencing DNA test shows the Philippines listed under the "Southeast Asia" category, along with Indonesia, Malaysia, etc. Which means Filipinos are Southeast Asian, not Pacific Islanders. Japan is surronded by water and is in the Pacific ocean, and they practiced tattoos as well, especially the Yakuza, does that mean Japanese people are also Pacific Islander? Plus in pre colonial times, only the Visayans did tattoos, not the people of Luzon or Mindanao. So no, Philippines has no similarities to Pacific Islanders.
@@gregorypetty6887 may pa genome sequencing ka pang nalalaman LOL anong south east Asian? we beolong to Austronesian! mag aral ka boy! genes natin na trace galing Taiwan Just like the Pacific Islanders kahit Language natin Austronesian yan din Languages ng mga Pacific Islanders! ang BoBo promise! Mag research ka boy ano ang mga Austronesian people at saan galing at kung ang mga Pacific Islander mga Austronesian ba. Kaya wag na wag mo masali ang Japan sa usapan nag mumukha kang bobo! Austronesian includes the South east Asia and Pacific Islands hindi kasali mga mga east Asian gaya ng Japan, Korea or China kaya wag na wag mong masalisali ang Japan sa usapan. Ang Punto bobo! sa lahat ng Austronesian country sa South East Asia ang Pilipinas lang ang naka harap sa dagat Pacifico. Kuha mo? Ang Kultura ng mga ninono natin pre hispanic era ay Austronesian talaga.
@@gregorypetty6887 Kunting reseach lang boy type mo lang sa youtube or Google Austronesian language you wll be amaze how closely related our language and culture to Pacific Islands kasama Hawaii. The way we count from one to ten at marami pa. Tapos sasabihin mo walang similarities? wow ang tanga mo naman saan ka ba nag aral? e demanda mo yung school mo kasi ginawa ka nilang BOBO!
@@juliusadriandavidLatin adjacent is probably more accurate. Certainly influenced culturally by Spain but Hispanic refers to Spanish speaking and there’s just a couple dialects that are either Creole Spanish or predominantly influenced by the Spanish language. Either way the Philippines is technically SouthEast Asian but there’s certainly a lot more cultural western influence and exposure than other Asian countries which confuses things 😂
@@concernedcitizen4171 Google is FREE smart 🍑! Check the definition of Hispanic & the Pacific Islanders' ancestors. 🙄 Filipinos are Asian, Hispanic & Pacific Islanders by definition. Besides, Guam, the Marianas & Palau Islands were all part of "Las Islas Filipinas" for 333 years under 🇪🇸. And, the Palauans were well-represented in the Malolos Congress during the Philippine Declaration of Independence in 1898. Plus, almost half of Guamanians & Palauans have Filipino Ancestry & almost all of them share the same DNA & Language similarities with The 🇵🇭! #Facts 🤨
@@juliusadriandavid dude no need to get so defensive. I’m aware of what Hispanic means and it’s for a group of people (nation) that speak Spanish. Brazilians aren’t Hispanic either because they speak Portuguese but they’re considered Latin because they’re part of Latin America. Guam isn’t considered Hispanic either. I’m not denying the Philippine history with Spain. I’m fully aware of the +300 year relationship and understand the cultural influences they’ve had. I understand Tagalog has 30% roots from the Spanish language but it’s just not a Spanish speaking nation (self declared). The Philippines is certainly more heavily influenced by Spain than any other Asian country. I know that. I’m just pointing out to the facts that it’s technically not considered a Hispanic nation.
It is mainly Filipino-Americans who claim Pacific Islander. Here in The Philippines, we look at ourselves as Asian. The Philippines is in South East Asia, a member of ASEAN plus we play in The Asian Games and in football, play in The AFC.
Arriving in the U.S. in the late 80’s and growing up in the 90’s, some of the applications (e.g. government ID, school, etc.) actually only included Pacific Islander as the closest option to Asian so that is why I used to check it. Essentially Asian was eventually included and then Filipino, now, is more visible in a lot of forms.
I remember when you guys made that video 9 years ago interviewing Filipinos asking them what they identify as and tbh I was shocked on how many of them said pacific islander because all the filipinos I know identify as Asian. But then again I'm from Canada
I know a Filipino wrestling fan who racially identifies himself way more with the Samoan wrestler The Rock than he does with the Japanese wrestler Shinsuke Nakamura. He does not see himself as Asian at all!
as an "latinoamerican" i tend to not like too much the american accent, but that guy, really knows how to express words, very charming and familiar accent, and also very clear
As a fully matured Filipino, born and raised in the Philippines, it is my first time to heard this arguably issue, we taught as an Asian not a Pacific Islander and you can see the Philippine map is near in the mainland Asia.
@s2oop436 wow, no they're not Asians. They are geographically in Asia, but they are not racially Asians. WTH?😂 The Philippines have more in common with spanish countries than Asian countries. Also the philippines was know as a Pacific Island, which it still is before it was grouped with the continent of Asia.
@@noflyzone2307 it shows how poor american educatin is. asia is not a race it is a group of people there is no such thing as asian race. indians are asians. arabs ar asians turks are asians etc even if you asked them they will say they are asians. philippines has more common with other asian countries like malaysia and indonesia than any pacific island countries. no Philippines was not know as a pacific islander firs of all philippines is not even an island it is an archipelago no one called philippines pacific islands excep USA during colonization. even before philippines was grouped with asian continent filams are really dmbass
@@noflyzone2307 if you will insist "asian" as chinese you will lose again cause there are thse kind living in russia and india so your argument is the same as your fellow filam, you are all stooooopid
Brown skin. White minds. The eternal conflict unfortunately for the Filipino American male. They get stereotyped alot, good singer, has swag/game, is probably into Nike/supreme. Hobbies probably include basketball, math, anime. Profession is most likely a dialysis or floor nurse, postal worker, or in PT/OT, health related profession. If they’re in legal/business then they’re typically in a forever associate position due to the glass ceiling. They will usually get unwanted racist profiling too for either being Asian and/or dark skinned, unfortunately. Most are hardworking and loyal. Great friends. Gets jealous easily, but good provider.
Of all the history I’ve read of the Philippines, I’ve heard of luzonites serving in the malacca sultanate, Filipino mercenaries fighting for the Khmers and the Bruneian sultanate ruling up to manila bay. I’ve never heard of any significant contact with pacific islands, so there’s definitely a lot more exchange and integration between Filipinos and the rest of Asia than the pacific lol
Pacific Islanders are 1500 miles (Guam) to 5000 miles (Hawaii and Samoa) away from the Philippines, Fil-Ams always ignore this fact because they're can't fathom the idea that ocean currents, sea storms, getting lost at sea, dehydration at sea, and heat would prevent Pacific Islanders from interacting with Asians, let alone themselves. They always seem to think that this "short" distance was easily sailed by the god-like sea-faring cultures of Pacific Islanders. Also, for some reason, some Fil-Ams believe seafaring is unique to Pacific Islanders, and they see Filipinos as "seafarers" while ignoring that most of Eastern Asians (most of the world) are seafarers; Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese, Thai, Malaysians, Indonesians, etc. Anyway, I just wanted to add Visayan pirates took control of an area in Taiwan then raided kingdoms from there; they were so infamous that they were recorded in the history books of Japan and China. And sometime 500 years ago, Japanese, Chinese, and Filipino pirates fought against the Spanish at the Cagayan Battle (1582?). On the more peaceful side of things, the first Filipinos in Korea shipwrecked on Jeju Island and the Korean recorded as the first Korean to learn Ilocano shipwrecked in the Philippines, talk about destinies. lol As for Southeast Asians, who knows how even interacted, there's no possible way our peoples could have mingled with each other according to Filipino-Americans because we were too busy sharing our culture with the Polynesians 5000+ miles away. /s
As a country, the Philippines is part of The Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN): an inter-governmental international organization, comprised of Indonesia, Vietnam, Laos, Brunei, Thailand, Myanmar, the Philippines, Cambodia, Singapore and Malaysia. Filipino's are SE Asian, Malay race, lahing Kayumangi. The national anthem, Bayang Magiliw even has the words "Perlas ng Silanganan" (Pearl of the Orient). Only FAUX-Lipinos claim Pacific Islander
This kind of issue started in Hawaii a American state , many Hawaiian-Filipino born and raise in Hawaii but with huge Filipino ancestry have this struggle. Despite of being Filipino ancestry They grow up in a Pacific islander culture and environment. So an a average normal person who doesnt like to research , they tend to be like "Oh we look almost the same ,same color of skin , "maybe" culturally the same and also island nation maybe we are pacific islander" . And also 2nd reason is to avoid the Asian Racism and discrimination.
As someone that's been debating with pro-Pacific Filipino for the last 4? months (other videos), you're basically correct, they just want to fit in with their environment and be accepted. However, some of them are just racists against "Asians". If you tell some of them "Japan is also an island in the Pacific", they'll tell you it doesn't count because and I quote. "they're white", "they're Chinese-influenced", "FUCK GEOGRAPHY". Yes, these are all quotes they use. They often claim Japanese are too white to be Pacific Islanders while ignoring the fact that Okinawans and some Japanese are dark-skinned. Some Chinese are also dark-skinned. Also, most of the time, they don't even want to bring up "Southeast Asians", they'll skirt around the topic and say we're all part of the "Malay Race" (a term from 300+ years ago coined by racist Europeans, "Malay Race" doesn't even include Pacific Islanders). And sometimes, they misuse the term "Austronesian". Austronesians CAME FROM Asia, but to them, "Austronesians are Pacific Islanders", "Austronesians are not Asian". And yes, again, these are quotes they use.
Also in Hawaii it's cooler to be Pacific Islander (esp. Hawaiian), as opposed to being Asian. Even though Pacific Islanders tend to be economically disadvantaged.
Idk, I’m kind of skeptical if it’s only one study and what the demographic was that they asked, whether it be Filipino American or from the country itself, and which location it was. I’m Filipino American and very adamant that I’m Southeast Asian, but I grew up in a pretty diverse city where I wasn’t whitewashed and had plenty of Filipino and East Asian friends.
The Philippines and native Taiwanese are technically pacific islands and Asian and pacific islanders are lumped together. I don't care if you're Hawaiian
Yeah it seems to be uniquely filam this 'confusion' of sorts. In Australia and Papua New Guinea there are large contingents of filipinos and none of them struggle with self ID - they always ID as Asian. American identity politics is so charged that filams have been pushed to make this distincion out of convienience it seems. Besides, all Pacific Islanders descended from Asia, not the other way around to say that Filipinos have Pacific blood.
Filipino American here. It is an American thing. Filipinos in the Philippines consider themselves as either just Asians or SE Asians. Pacific Islander is not even a thing.
Doh dude! even Indonesia who's literally standing in between two different continents Asia and Oceania - we are called ourselves as Native Southeast Asian even though less than 10% of us is Melanesian race and mixed. Note : Dear American Phillipino do not get identity crisis and yes you are NOT alone coz you're neighbouring countries in Maritime Asean are totally look alike you guys (MALAYO or MALAY RACE known as Austronesian but unfortunately Indonesian, Malaysian, Bruneian, Singaporean are NOT designed to be migrants to the US.
As a Filipino born, raised and is living in the PH, I can say that 99.9 percent of us consider ourselves asian. It’s not even a debate here. lol. I don’t know what’s the deal with Filipino-Americans, they try to call us Filipinx too. What the heck. 😂😂
Were Astronesian so asian. Filipino American students probably said Pacific islanders because of the islands amd in their school if they say asian they will actually refer to Chinese students.
The Philippines are part of Southeast Asia, thus Filipinos are Asians. Before, I would think that Filipinos were Pacific Islanders, but as I got older, it didn't make sense. Even look at the SEA Games which is officially known as the South East Asian Games. It involves 11 countries of Southeast Asia which also includes the Philippines. When people think of Asians, people tend to think more of East Asians such as Japanese or Chinese. It reminds me how in the King of the Hill, Hank and his friends were questioning Kahn if he was Chinese or Japanese. Even though he explained that he is Laotian, they still continued to question if he is either A or B. I can understand his frustration when I explain Filipinos are Asians.
From the Filipinos I know, I've noticed that none of them want to be Asian... They want to Pacific Islanders so badly... But going off of how they justify them being Pacific Islanders, then that would also mean Japanese people would have to be. I've also noticed lots of my full Filipino friends always have to make sure I know they are part Spanish. I really don't understand this mentality as I haven't seen it among other Asian ethnicities.
@@potatoeskimos it is the indian who are eurasian people east asian are technically same as other south east asian people. stop spreading wrong information
This issue is clearly a USA issue. The problem is that there is a large Filipino community, as compared to other Southeast Asian communities, besides Vietnamese. Malaysia, Indonesia, Cambodia, Thailand, Singapore, etc all have history of mixed/colonization yet their populations aren't as large compared to the other Asian communities in the USA. So if you also factor in the divide between Filipinos from the Philippines, as compared to the American-born Filipinos who are oblivious or ignorant to Filipino history/culture, let alone other SE Asian cultures, this is why there is this identity crisis.
I was brought up in the Philippines and then came to the US as a teenager. The Pacific Islander thing is an American thing. The reason for this is that the term Asian in the US refers mostly to Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans. Filipinos are distinct from them. There aren't many Malaysians, Indonesians, and Thai people around to identify with to form our own subgroup. Filipinos do not eat mainly with chopsticks. They are Christian (Catholic mostly). Filipinos do not have a long ancient history of high civilization. Most Filipinos do not look like the typical Japanese, Korean, Chinese. The people we see around us are the Hawaiians, Chamorros, and other. Much of Hawaii and Guam have shared history with the Philippines (European colonization and Americanization). There is large Filipino communities in these places. Since they identify as Pacific Islander (even though some have no indigenous blood) and they are much more relatable to us than other Asians, some Filipinos feel that that Pacific Islander is the correct designation. Mind you, Filipinos in the Philippines don't ever think about this stuff. To Filipinos in the Philippines, Asian is too broad of a term, and Pacific Islander is not even a known term.
Do Pacific Islanders consider Filipinos as Pacific Islanders? Philippines is not included in The Pacific Games nor the Festival of Pacific Art and Culture because the Pacific Island nations don't consider Philippines as Pacific Islanders.
I've been debating in a lot of videos on this very topic for the last 4? months. There are more Pacific Islanders that are against Filipino claiming to be Pacific Islanders. 90% I'd say, from the ones I came across which isn't a huge number. The pro-Pacific Filipino never consider what the Philippines want or what the Pacific Islanders want. They say things like "here in the US, we have to make distinction, so we have to claim that we're Pacific Islander". Like, who decided the distinctions and who decided the Philippines are part of the Pacific Island groups? Oh, you did? You didn't ask THEM? There were Pacific Islanders that also said "stay in your lane", "I don't see the Philippines in the Pacific Games, hmmmmm", "hey, see you at the Pacific Games lol" There are a small percentage of Pacific Islanders that are okay with it though.
Filipinos are Asians. We're Asians. Period. Whenever I see "Pacific Islander", all that comes to mind (for me, at least) are those from the Oceania region. Fiji, Tonga, Palau, American Samoa, et al. The Philippines is not from that region. While we may be from the "Pacific", too, we are not Pacific Islanders. Otherwise, Japanese are also Pacific Islanders. Taiwan, Indonesia, East Timor would be Pacific Islands. But they're not, are they?
In addition, it's sort of insulting (again, I can only speak for myself here) that some Filipinos identify as Pacific Islanders more so than being Asians. I mean, is it embarrassing for some of those people to be called Asians? I certainly hope not. Asia is a multi-cultural continent, anyway. You have East Asians, South Asians, Middle Easterns, Central Asians and Southeast Asians. Not all of us Asians are the same, so if they're too concerned as to the Philippines being closer in terms of culture/ancestry/heritage to the Pacific Islander's than the other Asians, then that's just it, right? "Some parts" only... which is equivalent to Filipinos ALSO sharing "some" culture with Asia. So how about that?
Im Filipino grew up in PH . there is no such thing as Pacific Islander . LMAO we consider as Asians! . We love Basketball Filipino Music Anime KDrama KPOP . ! hahaha. We ASIAN AS FFFFF... PACIFIC ISLANDER . EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW NOOOOOOOO!
I can say that everyone around here in Bisayas where I live identifies as Asian. My wife says she is Asian for sure. My wife has been mistaken for Latino a few times.
Filos stop kidding yourselves we are asian, not islander, or latin,, lets embrace our unique culture and physical differences from our south-east asian cousin's. We might have mixed blood but we are Asians.
Interesting conversation. My Filipina sister (I am too lol) was recently asked to head a Latino Advancement group at her work bc they believed she was Latina. When she told them she was Filipino, they went with it as she was the closest thing to a Latina in a position of power at their organization. Sometimes I think it all depends on who you're down for and who's down for you... as a Filipina woman with two half Mexican daughters, she has a vested interest in promoting Latin interests, visibility and opportunities. She accepted that role with absolute sincerity. Also, we have a lot in common with Latin cultures even if it's not apples to apples. The same with Pacific Islanders and other Asian groups. I would probably say we're Asian more than anything else, specifically SE Asian, but we're also a little of all the boxes because of our history and the geographic location of the Islands, but also... dare I say... bc of our open hearts? 🤣 Don't kill me for being dorky. All love. 💕
@@s2oop436 There's a comment somewhere here from someone who I think is Mexican-Filipino that said re both his Mexican and Filipino heritage, he connected more with the tribal pre-colonial side and that perhaps there's some of this going on here, where Fil-Ams identify strongly with Pacific Islanders... which is not really our current understanding of what is Pacific Islander or Filipino, but an idealization of what predated the dominance of Western culture and their definitions. I can see that being true, even while it may be dismissive of the nuances and current concerns of Pacific Islanders. That said, a generalized Asian identity is vague and in the US, leans to the stereotypes of the "Top 3" - Chinese, Japanese and Korean, who dominate the conversation and representation. I wouldn't say it's bc the stereotypes associated w East Asians in the US are negative, but ultimately limiting and incorrect for so many. And I don't know if "hispanic" would be more correct but it isn't more wrong, so there's that. 🤷🏻♀️ Well maybe it is wrong. I believe hispanic denotes Spanish-speakers, coined by the Nixon administration and similar to the word _hispanoblante._
@@random-fish they just want the pre col filipino to be cool; like seriously pre colonial philippines is strongly hindu buddhist. its not different from laos and cambodia
precolonial philippines had a different name. consisted of peoples from south china, vietnam, neighboring islands. including seafaring warrior peoples that introduced agriculture to the islands - the 'painted ones' the spanish encountered when first landing in mactan. natives were identified as 'agta, aeta, ainu' and were black and had curly hair. ph was a melting pot of various cultures well before the spanish. my theory is that we identify more with what our genetic makeup is. im filipino... i identify more with warrior cultures. i love agriculture. nothing new from what our ancestors were into
these filipino americans claiming they're pacific islanders rather than asian felt not filipino enough that they made up this thing for themselves, meanwhile filipinos in the phililippines wouldn't care if they are asians becoz they truly are.
I kid you not, I got called "Asian boy" as an insult by a Filipino-American because I reminded him that we eat rice, eggrolls, and noodles like other Asians. Bruh, he cared more about "his island" than the Philippines. That island was Palau, which is over 1000 MILES away from the Philippines. These guys grow up wanting to be like their neighbors, but expect us Philippine-born Filipinos to accept the labels they stole from their neighbors. It's crazy. Also, Pacific Islanders don't even eat rice traditionally.
Sorry this is not true, our ancestors in the Philippines were fantastic sailors. They reached Vanuatu, for sure, since they've found thousands of years old bones there who's DNA are a match for modern Kankanaey and Igorots in Northern Luzon. They were Lapita Burial grounds, and the Lapita Culture settled all over Polynesia.
I mean it makes sense, the philippines is in the west Pacific Ocean and we are islanders. let's be real most filipinos say their Asians bc the US categorized us as Asians bc technically we are part of Asia, but so is half of Russia and India. I don't hear them saying they are Asian lol.
@@noflyzone2307 Russians consider themselves Eurasian, bro. They even partially based their name on the term Eurasian. And India considers themselves South Asians or they simply go with Indian. The word you're looking for that they do not call themselves is Eastern Asian. It's MARITIME SOUTHEAST ASIA, bro, no one calls it Western Pacific unless they want to pretend to be Pacific Islanders. The Filipinos that call themselves Pacific Islanders are culture thieves, that's a simple fact, yo. Filipinos and Pacific Islanders had no significant contact with each other for 5,000 years, but y'all are pretending they're our "closest" relatives. We're Southeast Asians because of our history with both South Asians and our East Asian ancestors. And Pacific Islanders are bunched up together because of migrational history and ISOLATION from everyone else, even themselves. Like no even knew what Samoans were for 5000 years, while India was colonizing Southeast Asia for the last 4000 years.
Growing up in the 2000s, south east asian wasn't even a choice for us in high school/college. I'm Filipino and played football and was tanned because of it. Many of my asian friends would call me pacific islander and would tell me that I'm not Asian and on the flip side I had pacific islander friends telling me that I was asian and not pacific islander. It was sort of an identity crisis at the time. Even dating was a struggle, it was like you basically had to date other Filipino people because if you tried dating someone asian their parents would be like oh hell no get the mexican out of here or I'd get the impression that I'm the wrong type of asian to be dating their daughter. I feel like nowadays its more accepted that Filipinos are asians too.
filipinos are really asians it is in the america that filipinos are just called pacific islander. early 2000 there are few south east asians in the US so east asian chinese are the majority and has high horse; even koreans are not popular that time and they are being called chinese as well but now the truth was being revealed those abc cant talked now cause even mainland chinese are mocking them
Bro. I grew up in America in the 2000s as a high school kid and we were considered Asians, like what do you mean Southeast Asian wasn't a choice? In the census? You just had to fill out Filipino under Asian or Asian (Like, if you're going to college, you're supposed to be smart enough to know that the Philippines is in Asia and has always been considered Asian). Filipinos were making a name of themselves in BBoy culture which was dominated by Asians in the 2000s. AZN pride was all the hype in the 2000s and 1990s and Filipinos were included in it. ABGirls started from that AZN stuff. Like, really, a freaking census/questionnaire for college was what made some of y'all have an identity crisis? Bro, to a traditional Asian, you were the wrong type of Asian for their child to marry. Filipino moms do that shit, too. For over ten years as an adult, my mother would tell me to date and marry a Filipina. She would even tell me she got me engaged to her friend's daughter, a Filipina. Your Asian friends were probably just making fun of you for being super dark, but the Pacific Islanders were being honest with you, bro. Pacific Islanders want to have their own identity, too, you know, and they don't want your identity crisis culturally appropriating their culture. There's no "nowadays Filipino are more accepted as Asians", we've always been, bro. You just had a rare childhood identity crisis because you forgot/didn't know what other Filipinos are like and didn't know the majority of us Filipino-Americans were doing AZN stuff in the 2000s. Edit: The fact that Pacific Islanders told you you were NOT one of them is proof enough that Filipinos were always seen as Asians, bro. There's no "nowadays we are".
We are ASIAN To my fellow Filipino-American brothers and sisters, don't let others define you; don't let the narrative define who you are; and be proud of where you are rooted and embrace who you are. Learn more about your roots and appreciate your heritage. We support each other, stand in solidarity with one another, and don't let them tell you other wise, and you have the right to defend the clear evidence. To any Pacific Islanders watching this, I would like to apologize for the remarks our fellow Filipino-American siblings made. We love them, but they are just too detached from their culture and heritage after being exposed to the western mindset for so long. We mean no disrespect; we are very clear in our identities that we are Asians. This is a matter of our heritage that we never take lightly. We may never understand the plight of our fellow Filipino-American brothers and sisters, but we are trying to understand that it may have been too difficult for them to truly know who they are
Im filipino canadian and this makes me happy thank u 😭🙏 Although I don't understand why we are regarded as Pacific Islanders when the Philippines is geographically within Asia?
@@nummy662 I've been debating with pro-Pacific Filipinos for many months now. Most of them are anti-Asian men or that do not want to be associated with Asian stereotypes and come up with MANY excuses to call us Pacific Islanders, or they've been living with other Pacific Islanders so long that they don't realize our culture has Asian roots. "Only Asians shop at supermarkets". Implying Filipinos and Pacific Islanders don't have supermarkets. "Taiwan/Japan was never colonized by America so they can't be Pacific Islanders". They love to ignore Melanesians (Black Islanders) were never colonized. "Taiwan/Japan are too white/too Chinese to be Pacific Islanders". They think that ALL Filipinos should have dark skin and sometimes curly hair/wide noses. They also love to talk about colorism being bad, but if you noticed what I said, they like micromanaging other Filipinos' skin colors. Some also go as far to say as we're Black (Because of the Aeta). There was one guy that said we were classified as "Negroid" "just like the Polynesians". This guy also claimed Austronesians came from India (Because Indians are dark skinned). There's a recent guy on here that's also claiming we Filipinos are under the label of "Micronesian". We have more Japanese minorities that have been living in the Philippines for centuries than the entire population of Micronesians btw. This guy is claiming ALL of our Filipino cultures are related to Pacific Islanders, therefore we are not Asian. He loves to ignore that Indonesians exist right next to us while Micronesia is 500 miles away and Polynesia is 5000 miles away (no exaggeration). He also loves to use "go have fun eating ramen/dim sum" and "go watch your kpop" as an insult while insisting that the Philippines government changed our "race" in 1967 (ASEAN). And he also claimed that because he is Filipino-American he "KNOWS BETTER" than most Filipinos living the Philippines about our own culture. I feel like this guy has never even lived in the Philippines before. Apologies for the long comment, but these are just A FEW examples off the top of my head that I remember pro-Pacific Filipinos love to claim.
It just shows how charged the identity politics and race baiting is in America, so much that people are 'switching' identity - which is a very american thing to do lets face it.
@@joodeki yeah, while this guy may havve a list of claims that endorse his pacific heritage, its a real big insult to real Pacific Islanders, the way of life, the culture, the lived experiences etc etc. To Americans you can change ur name on the fly its not even a joke this is their reality so it makes sense that this is something a person who struggles with identity can immerse and hide themselves in. If your country doesnt fall into any of the 3 major Pasifika groupings then ur Asian or something else.
@@thvtsydneylyf3th077 I've also had Filipino Americans tell me they "know better/are more educated" because they believe America has a better education than the Philippines, but America doesn't even learn about the Philippines or the Pacific Islanders, and it's not even a mandatory study in college. Like, how the F can these Fil-Ams claim they know better than the people born in a country they weren't even born in? And it's not just insulting to Filipinos, but also to Pacific islanders. They look down on both the Filipinos and Pacific Islanders because they think they have a better understanding of cultures they DO NOT EVEN PRACTICE. But they expect Pacific Islanders to happily accept them. It's so annoying.
Philippines being what it is had its native blood to start spread over 7000+ islands and 120+ dialects, our geographic location is advantageous to trade with the surrounding islands...think Borneo and Indonesia which are Islamic in majority, we became colonized under Spain longer than any country. China also traded with us, America made us its commonwealth after WWII and we took refugees from Vietnam, Cambodia and people of Jewish desent during war times. Technically, we are Islands in the Pacific and technically.We are part of the asian continent. For pole take reasons I hear my social circles claim Asian. To my understanding. Pac islands are Samoa, Figi, tonga, Hawaii, they have a different religious, cultural heritage. The majority of Russia is in asia but you don't hear them calling themselves Asians. When in doubt ask how the person identifies.
Yeah, they hate when Filipinos identity as Pacific Islanders from my experience …heard they all look at Filipinos as Asians and hate going to the pacific Island festivals because they re mostly dominated by Filipinos (Asians) can’t blame them…
I know, these ppl never interview an ACTUAL islander who for one can and WILL tell you what is and isnt an islander, instead of asking more confused people lol You can be an island in the pacific like Japan, but that can never make you a Pacific Islander. Its an insult to real people of the Pacific to see some charlatan claiming their ID. America really destroys weak minds.
We are ASIAN To my fellow Filipino-American brothers and sisters, don't let others define you; don't let the narrative define who you are; and be proud of where you are rooted and embrace who you are. Learn more about your roots and appreciate your heritage. We support each other, stand in solidarity with one another, and don't let them tell you other wise, and you have the right to defend the clear evidence. To any Pacific Islanders watching this, I would like to apologize for the remarks our fellow Filipino-American siblings made. We love them, but they are just too detached from their culture and heritage after being exposed to the western mindset for so long. We mean no disrespect; we are very clear in our identities that we are Asians. This is a matter of our heritage that we never take lightly. We may never understand the plight of our fellow Filipino-American brothers and sisters, but we are trying to understand that it may have been too difficult for them to truly know who they are
As a Polynesian / Melanesian from The Bay, I noticed many Filipino PPL (women too) claim “Pacific Islander” to avoid “The Asian” stereotypes. I would also noticed them bullying or poking fun of other Asian groups. Projecting much? This also goes for Indians who lived in Fiji, claiming “Fijian”. I understand nationally might play a part in your narrative but y’all better REP YOUR ANCESTORS like we rep ours. So stop erasing us or blurring the lines. I wish we can just identify as Oceania or Pasifika and give y’all “Pacific Islander”.
Btw there are indigenous Filipino peoples called "negritos" who are very closely related to Oceanian people. In their case, the racial definitions are actually blurred. I don't think Filipinos in general should call themselves Pacific Islanders, but there are specific indigenous groups that are genuinely VERY close to PI.
We are ASIAN To my fellow Filipino-American brothers and sisters, don't let others define you; don't let the narrative define who you are; and be proud of where you are rooted and embrace who you are. Learn more about your roots and appreciate your heritage. We support each other, stand in solidarity with one another, and don't let them tell you other wise, and you have the right to defend the clear evidence. To any Pacific Islanders watching this, I would like to apologize for the remarks our fellow Filipino-American siblings made. We love them, but they are just too detached from their culture and heritage after being exposed to the western mindset for so long. We mean no disrespect; we are very clear in our identities that we are Asians. This is a matter of our heritage that we never take lightly. We may never understand the plight of our fellow Filipino-American brothers and sisters, but we are trying to understand that it may have been too difficult for them to truly know who they are
Fun fact, in the Philippines we use our Chinese-derived honorifics freely without restriction such as 'kuya' meaning big brother. But in Thailand, to use 'hia' (their version of big brother) you have to look Chinese to use it and the person whom you're addressing it to also has to look Chinese
Most ppl don't even know about the Aetas. There were also negrito ppl in Malaysia, Thailand & even Taiwan. They're similar to the aborigines of Australia & Papau New Guinea.
The first inhabitants of the Philippines are the Aetas. Some of the islands are then settled by Austronesian mariners and other seafaring peoples. Malays and Indons also settled the Islands. Then came the traders who stayed like the Chinese, Japanese, Arabs, Indians, and some other nationalities, and even, believe it or not, Mexicans and south american natives. Then the colonizers like Spain came, and the Americans (who are of course Europeans by ancestry) which also added to the mix. You can probably say that the Philippines is a country of the world. Everyone is here and everybody is welcome.
Pacific Islander is a US thing….we never heard nor identified as Pacific Isladers when we were growing up , private or public schools until we lived in the US and started filling out paperwork in the US lol
You Nailed it. Its all of the above if i could check all the boxes i would. I am of mixed heritage mainland chinese from my moms side filipino on my dads from pangasinan. Mixed n lovin it reppin san diego bay 💗🇨🇳🇵🇭
Hawaiian Born & Raised Filipinos Are The Most Confused ... Alot Of Filipino Men And Woman Both Need 2 Stop Acting Hawaiian It Is Embarassing They All Need To Be Proud Of Their Own Culture ... We As Filipinos Have So Much To Be Proud Of As A People ... We Are A Much Larger Population Than Any Polynesian Ethnicity By Far ... Most Polynesians Are Just A Few Thousand Our People Are Over 100 Million Strong 💪 🇵🇭
I noticed that 90% of pacific islander wannabe filams are from west coast especially hawaii and california; they are notorious for anti chinese sentiment and twisting filipino history and culture
Bro, none of them even understand that the Philippines have almost as many pure-Chinese living in the Philippines as there are Pacific Islanders in the world. (1.8 million pure-Chinese Filipinos vs 2.3 million Pacific Islanders). And like s2oop said, they are anti-Chinese. I've debated with many of them throughout many different videos and they say things like. "Taiwanese/Japanese are too Chinese/too white to be Pacific Islanders" (Uh, 28 million+ Filipinos consider themselves Chinese-mixed, especially the light-skinned ones) "Real Filipinos have dark skin and curly hair" (they're trying to be black, too) "Filipinos are from India" (Again, skin color)
I noticed some Filipinos have curly but not that common but the most common hair type of Filipinos that I've seen is straight and wavy hair and dark skin is not that common
@itsdianne443 I wasn't generalizing, I was talking about how Filipino-Americans that think they are Pacific Islanders generalize the people in the Philippines as ONLY dark skinned or how some of them think the "real" Filipinos have curly hair. They also assume the Philippines never had Chinese influence, so they say things like "Japan is too Chinese to be Pacific Islanders", ignoring the fact that we have the first Chinatown in the world or that pancit and lumpia have Chinese origins. Again, I'm not generalizing, I was quoting anti-Asian Filipinos that think they are pure Pacific Islander. And I was giving examples of things they ignored. Edit: What did I even say for you to assume I was generalizing?
What?..We are soooo asian.. even the cultural stuff are just hispanized versions of our asian heritage like fiestas but with precolonial asian wear, anting anting but with christian symbols, devotion to religion, family relations, chinese way of cooking and honorifics, even the colonial architecture was more similar to our asian neighbors. There weren't as much reports of trade between the pacific islands apart from colonization since they lived hella..FAR from the Philippines. Austronesian genetics and some of the culture and the tropical island setting are the only things we share with them.. and even with that our culture is much more similar to precolonial Indonesia and Malaysia.
The Philippines is the melting pot of Asia. My father is a Philippine born Japanese (Southern Baptist raised). My mother who was born and raised in the Philippines is Han Chinese by decent (and Roman Catholic). Filipinos are Asian. The Pacific Islander thing is more of an American census. Example my cousin applied for college. She marked Asian and she wasn't accepted. She marked Pacific Islander on the 2nd application to the same college and got in. This was in 2000. I guess Japanese Americans can mark down Pacific Islander too? Japan is a group of islands in the Pacific Ocean in the Asian continent.
@@chewy6487 Actually there are 3 groupings of Pacific Island regions since you brought it up. Australia, Philippine archipelagoes, Japanese archipelagoes, Ryukyu (Okinawa) & Indonesia is not part of the regions.
I am a half Filipino half European American who was born and raised in the United States. I have been to the Philippines two times in my life to visit my relatives, and I have always regarded myself as an Asian American. Plus, through a DNA test I took, the majority of my Asian ancestry comes from Indonesia, Malaysia, and the Philippines, with some also from Myanmar. While the rest of my Asian ancestry comes from Japan, Korea, Bangladesh, Nepal, and Afghanistan. This makes sense to me since we Filipinos have always identified ourselves as being related to Indonesians and Malaysians, and the fact that the Philippines received Hindu and Buddhist influences from India in things like the Laguna Copperplate Inscription and Baybayin, ancient Hindu and Buddhist artifacts from the Philippines, Tagalog loanwords from Sanskrit as Fung Bros stateded, as well as Japanese influence in the Philippines like Tagalog loanwords from Japanese as Fung Bros stated, Japanese pottery found in the Philippines from over 400 years ago, Japanese immigrants who immigrated to the Philippines as depicted in the Boxer Codex, Kakigori being the predecessor to Halo Halo, Odong noodles being descended from Udon noodles, means that we Filipinos are 100% Asian. Always have been, always will be.
• In terms of geographical location, the Philippines is located on the eastern edge of Asia and still belongs to Asia, although it is very close to the Pacific Islands. • In terms of culture and lifestyle, the Philippines does not fully embody the identity of Asia (specifically East Asia), for the following reasons: The dominant religion is Christianity, which is of Western origin. The culture and lifestyle (including attitudes and gestures) are very similar to those of Westerners (even their surnames are derived from Western sources). The majority of the population is fluent in at least one Western language. The standard of female beauty aligns more with Western ideals than with East Asian traits (such as curvy and thick body types).
I am a half Filipino half European American who was born and raised in the United States. I have been to the Philippines two times in my life to visit my relatives, and I have always regarded myself as an Asian American. Plus, through a DNA test I took, the majority of my Asian ancestry comes from Indonesia, Malaysia, and the Philippines, with some also from Myanmar. While the rest of my Asian ancestry comes from Japan, Korea, Bangladesh, Nepal, and Afghanistan. This makes sense to me since we Filipinos have always identified ourselves as being related to Indonesians and Malaysians, and the fact that the Philippines received Hindu and Buddhist influences from India in things like the Laguna Copperplate Inscription and Baybayin, ancient Hindu and Buddhist artifacts from the Philippines, Tagalog loanwords from Sanskrit as Fung Bros stateded, as well as Japanese influence in the Philippines like Tagalog loanwords from Japanese as Fung Bros stated, Japanese pottery found in the Philippines from over 400 years ago, Japanese immigrants who immigrated to the Philippines as depicted in the Boxer Codex, Kakigori being the predecessor to Halo Halo, Odong noodles being descended from Udon noodles, means that we Filipinos are 100% Asian. Always have been, always will be.
Most of us are of Mixed Malay ... myself being Chinese-Spanish-Malay descent. But i like to call Filipinos as LaChinos because of Spanish and Asian influences.
"Mixed Malay " is just a misconception. The majority of Filipinos are Austronesians who migrated to the Philippines about 4000 years ago from Taiwan and coastal regions of Southern China. Malays on the other hand are genetically Austroasiatic from mainland South East Asia who underwent a language-shift to Austronesian after contact with Austronesians about 3000 years ago. Unless you perform a genetic test with companies like 23andMe and confirm it, then you are not likely of Malay descent. I for one have done a genetic test with 23andMe and have 93% Filipino and the rest are Spanish, Dutch, African, Chinese (Mainland) , Chinese (Taiwan) and Vietnamese. Zero Malay genes.
It definitely is a safety net, but lately it's because they actually believe that being brown in color makes them closer to Pacific Islander than Asian. They don't realize that in the Philippines, we literally have millions of light-skinned Filipinos, our national hero is 1/3 Chinese, a lot of our food originated from China and have a lot of similarity with Southeast Asian cuisine, our bamboo dance culture has similarities with other Asian cultures, including minorities in India, our writing system was based on India's system, etc etc etc. Filipino-Americans that have never grown up in the Philippines/Asia are basically ignoring our culture that our ancestors kept intact even through colonization in favor or identifying themselves as "brown". Some even claim REAL Filipinos are Black, not kidding. If you read some comments, you'll even see some of them claim Indonesians and Malaysians are Pacific Islanders. Imagine being a REAL Pacific Islander and being told that your people of 2 million global is only 0.5% of the Pacific Islander population, and most of the "Pacific Islanders" are in Southeast Asia, all 500m+.
@@joodekihave you seen how brown Thai, Laos, Cambodian, Indonesian, basically southeast Asian people are? Bro y’all Filipino look more like us Southeast Asian compared to Pacific Islanders.
@@thyphanhmaha Bro, I never said we were not Asian and I definitely never said we were Pacific Islander... Literally, just like Malaysia and other Southeast Asian countries, we do have a large population of Chinese-Filipino natives that tend to have lighter skin.... Hokkien (Chinese) is large part of Filipino culture, so much so that our national hero (Tagalog/Hokkien/Spanish mix) could trace his family lineage to Fujian, China. And Hokkien is the 2nd biggest contributor of words/food/tradtions/etc to our local culture, under Spanish. Edit: Oh, and by native, I mean they've been in the Philippines since before the Spanish/Europeans arrived. Edit: And as for "brown", that was my point, Filipino-Americans are using the skin color brown to claim ALL Southeast Asians as Pacific Islander and not Asian because they refuse to believe that us Southeast Asians are part of the "Asian" culture, again, because Pacific Islanders are "brown" to them.
I bet all the Filipinos that check Pacific Islanders ,are a 100% born and raised in North America. Because being pacific islands sounds “cooler and is different“ Anthony O Campo has good point too
@thvtsydneylyf3th077 you pacific islanders are all fatties the amount of amwf relationships I've seen thanks to kpop/kdramas no non pacific islander girl will date y'all obese coconuts
@@thetruth7466Nobody wants asians. You and black women are always the least desired. Cope. Try and grow an entire foot taller and grow a few inches on your d1ck
you know what is funny? thai cambodian burmese malay even some vietnamese will say filipinos look like them. but when you show them pacific islanders especially samoan they will say they are completely differnt
do you think people in Asia usually identify themselves as Asian? they can be from Asian, or from south east Asian, but if you ask someone from Asia, they would say they are chinese, japanese, vietnamese, korean, etc i dont think many "Asians" calls themsevles Asian in Asia
@@cambodianpleasuresquad1753 more likely nationality than ethnicity since Indonesian always say they are Indonesian first, not their ethnicity (Javanese, Sundanese, Balinese, Batak, Minang, Buginese).
@@steveboy7302 I didn't say Filipinos look like Samoans, I said I got mistaken for being Samoans. I know reading is hard for some people these days but you might want to read my original comment before replying. 😂
When I first came here to the U.S. more than ten years ago. I was so shocked one day, when I overheard a fil-am young man answer this exact question that we were Pacific Islander. 😂I don’t even know where they got that idea from - just because we’re a country made up of islands in the pacific? At that time, I found out how widespread was the idea among fil-ams here in the U.S., who has never been educated in our history or origins. No one in the Philippines even ever considered that argument that we are Pacific Islanders. Nor, has it ever been taught in schools that we were. People in the Philippines have always considered ourselves South East Asians of the island nation, the Philippines.
This interesting. I’m Latino/Hispanic American and my family comes from the Dominican Republic. I always found that Filipinos have a lot in common with Latinos/Hispanics especially with their culture and predominant religion Catholicism.
Filipinos have nothing in common with Latinos, apart from being invaded by Spaniards and having Catholic religion and Spanish names FORCED on them. Filipinos have way more in common with other Southeast Asians. I would know..I am Southeast Asian. They have more in common with Indonesians (physical appearance, overall linguistics, island atmosphere of our nations, etc). Filipinos are also HEAVILY influenced by Chinese culture...a majority of Filipinos have Chinese blood..and Malay ancestry. There are also many Koreans and Japanese living in the Philippines and many Filipinos watch K-dramas every day of their lives. So it really is a country that is full of many different influences. There are also almost like 200 languages spoken and many tribal and other ethnic groups in the Philippines. None of the culture has anything to do whatsoever with Latinos. Philippines is close to Indonesia, Malaysia, Taiwan, and Japan. That makes it in Asia and a world away from Latin culture. Just an FYI.
@@ElizabethChee-rj7bn I agree with you 100%! I am a half Filipino half European American who was born and raised in the United States. I have been to the Philippines two times in my life to visit my relatives, and I have always regarded myself as an Asian American. Plus, through a DNA test I took, the majority of my Asian ancestry comes from Indonesia, Malaysia, and the Philippines, with some also from Myanmar. While the rest of my Asian ancestry comes from Japan, Korea, Bangladesh, Nepal, and Afghanistan. This makes sense to me since we Filipinos have always identified ourselves as being related to Indonesians and Malaysians, and the fact that the Philippines received Hindu and Buddhist influences from India in things like the Laguna Copperplate Inscription and Baybayin, ancient Hindu and Buddhist artifacts from the Philippines, Tagalog loanwords from Sanskrit as Fung Bros stateded, as well as Japanese influence in the Philippines like Tagalog loanwords from Japanese as Fung Bros stated, Japanese pottery found in the Philippines from over 400 years ago, Japanese immigrants who immigrated to the Philippines as depicted in the Boxer Codex, Kakigori being the predecessor to Halo Halo, Odong noodles being descended from Udon noodles, means that we Filipinos are 100% Asian. Always have been, always will be.
Not everybody in the Philippines is Catholic. Some Filipinos are Muslim (6% of the Philippine population) and Buddhist and Hindu. Get your facts straight!
Filipinos are Filipinos and are southeast Asians. I don’t see what all this questioning is about. They look like Malaysians and other groups. Filipinos are not Pacific Islanders. Stop all this silliness.
I think most of the Phenomenon of Pacific Islander identity of Filipino-Americans also stem from Filipinos during the American Times in the Philippines, who Immigrated to many Pacific Islands that was also fully or partially controlled by the United States thru US Policy of Repopulation of Pacific Islands which also followed the Spanish Policy earlier during the Spanish Times via Manila-Acapulco Galleon Trade. And these Multigenerational Migration of Filipinos that’s considered then as American Citizens, somehow identified and created an Identity of where they resides and their next generations tends to be identified themselves as such when they moved into the Mainland United States, with already the Pacific Islander Identity built into them. These things aren’t applicable to Filipinos that came to America directly from the Philippines, and to those First Generation Filipino Immigrants to Pacific Islands whose further moved to US Mainland and just used the Pacific Islands as stepping stone, majority of them already received their American Citizenship in the US Pacific Islands before going to US Mainland.
Im a filipino from the southern Philippines and I identify myself more of a hispanic. Why? Religion, Fiesta, spanish way of discipline and msny to mention.
Nah, Asians aren't even remotely in that category. *Native Hawaiian, Samoan, Guamanian or Chamorro, Fijian, Tongan, or Marshallese* people in that category will be called Pacific Islander.
If the Philippines did not fall from grace (being top 2-3 richest country in asia a long time ago) i bet their answer would be different. 😂 The Philippines is purely of malay race and some with a sprinkle of colonizers, and people we traded with. Pacific islanders did not "just appear" they either came from asia , americas or austrailia , but if we follow the journey of man .......they came from asia.
Bro, I've been telling Fil-Ams about our shared history, culture, languages, food, and even pre-Christian religion with other Asians, but they don't want to listen. Half of them are just anti-Chinese and all they really want to say is that Filipino are not Chinese/Japanese. ie Filipinos are not East Asian. THAT'S IT. Like if they said that, people would understand them easy. But, they want to take it an extra step and claim we're closer to Samoans genetically than Southeast Asians. BRUH. I even got called "Asian boy" as an insult because I told the guy we eat rice and noodles like other Asians. Some people out there really just want to live in delululand. Edit: Fun fact, Central Luzon was part of the Ming Dynasty up until the Spanish arrived. The Caboloans controlled Central Luzon and they were Chinese-Muslims that served the Ming Emperor, they took over the Manila fort at the Battle of Manila. After being defeated, they then became part of the Spanish Empire and subsequently also became "Filipino", along with the Tagalog, Hokkien, Visayans, etc, everyone except the Mindanaons, really.
As a Philippine born Filipina we identify and were taught in school that we are asians/se asians (the PH is located in ASIA)...period....This pacific islander thingy is quite suprising and confusing (for us born and raised in the PH 🤔) as a topic for Fil americans...its sad to know they are not in touch with their motherland hence having an identity crisis on who they really are.
Its understandable if you mingle with Asians Americans. The main idea of Asian in America is Chinese, Korean, Japanese. They look alike because they have shared genetics and culture. Filipinos don't look like them. We see the Hawaiians, Chamorros, Tahitians and they look more like us.
Filipinos were Latino first, which is why they still have Spanish names, and Spanish in their language. I remember Vanessa Hudgens was casted as a Latina in high school musical shows, I never understand that tbh
@@Basta11Filipinos look Southeast Asia straight up. Look up Cambodian, Laos, Indonesian. Y’all look nothing like Samoans or the other Polynesian
@@thyphanhmaha Laos, Cambodia... no.
Indonesians yes.
Can you tell a Filipino from a full Chamorro? No. An Aeta from other Melanesians? Filipinos are way more diverse in features than the entire Pacific.
Consider recent history as well, the majority of Hawaiians now are not native, very few are pure, many have Filipino ancestry.
@@Basta11 lmfao cambodian literally looks filipino. can you tell the difference between a phuan and a filipino? can you tell a filipino and a khemer? chamroor acnestors are from south east asian and considered to be non native. the natives of guam are the guamnian who looks totally different from filipinos. aeta ARE melanesian they are minorties in the philippines. your argument is invalid
hawaii have many filipino ancestry because the during american era they bring filipino workers who belong in the lower caste there as cheap labor
Pacific islander is an American term that came about in my time as we're all trying to find the correct label in identifying themselves. Filipinos in the Philippines do not use this concept or label.
Ask what Polynesians think about it though lol. Some are offended but most are open to it. Lol
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The Philippines is in Asia. If you are Filipino then you are Asian. Filipinos who think that they are Pacific Islanders probably never met Indonesians and other fellow Malays. 😂
Indonesians and Malays are also Asians though.
@robto
That's what the POINT was!
The Philippines is closer to China than Japan is..
I am pretty sure before colonization....Malaysia, Philippines, and Indonesia were all one kingdom. That was what I learned in my Asian history class ..
@@robto Right. And actually most Filipinos ethnically are a Malay/Chinese mix....The only thing that separates Filipinos from modern Malays is difference of religion. I only mention this because most people don't know that Filipinos are ethnically Malay. The word "Filipino" was thrust upon Filipinos by foreign invaders...it is a made up word and does not define the true race of Filipinos.
This "Filipinos are Pacific Islander" nonsense was just a claim that some Filipino Americans made-up to themselves probably because they're disconnected and oblivious to their immigrant parents’ heritage. It has nothing to do with the actual Filipinos and the Philippines itself. The term Pacific Islander doesn't exist in Filipino vocabulary that's why most people in the Philippines don't know what a Pacific Islander is. Philippines has always been Southeast Asia along with Malaysia and Indonesia whom they share a common heritage. You'll never meet an actual Filipino, Indonesian and Malaysian claiming to be Pacific Islander unlike these Fil-Ams.
So the question shouldn't be if "Are Filipinos Pacific Islander or Asian?" it should be "Why some Fil-Ams are claiming to be Pacific Islander?".
I agree with you 100%! I am a half Filipino half European American who was born and raised in the United States. I have been to the Philippines two times in my life to visit my relatives, and I have always regarded myself as an Asian American. Plus, through a DNA test I took, the majority of my Asian ancestry comes from Indonesia, Malaysia, and the Philippines, with some also from Myanmar. While the rest of my Asian ancestry comes from Japan, Korea, Bangladesh, Nepal, and Afghanistan. This makes sense to me since we Filipinos have always identified ourselves as being related to Indonesians and Malaysians, and the fact that the Philippines received Hindu and Buddhist influences from India in things like the Laguna Copperplate Inscription and Baybayin, ancient Hindu and Buddhist artifacts from the Philippines, Tagalog loanwords from Sanskrit as Fung Bros stateded, as well as Japanese influence in the Philippines like Tagalog loanwords from Japanese as Fung Bros stated, Japanese pottery found in the Philippines from over 400 years ago, Japanese immigrants who immigrated to the Philippines as depicted in the Boxer Codex, Kakigori being the predecessor to Halo Halo, Odong noodles being descended from Udon noodles, means that we Filipinos are 100% Asian. Always have been, always will be.
They're just using the Pacific Islander as a scapegoat not wanting to be called as Asians and away from the Asian stereotypes. I, personally, prefer to be Asian. Being able to speak more than 2 languages, puts the cherry on top.
Yes this is accurate. I live in Australia, lived in New Guinea, lots of filos in both countries. Although they are familiar with the term Pac Islander and what that actually is (coz they are actually near and in the Pacific Islands region), none of them have ever struglled with what they are - SE Asians. This thing with filams claiming pac islander is strictly an American thing, and its no wonder, with all the race and identity politics that plays out in the states, its no wonder. Just claim it, who cares if ur asian.
@@mmxcix i think u missed the point. Its not that anyone cares what options you have on a form, its about identifying as something you simply are not. In this case its filos calling themselves pac islanders. Where the 'american' part comes in is, this is a phenomena unique to fil-ams. The filos who live everywhere else on the planet do not have this problem as they understand that they are asian.
A lot of Filipinos aren't aware of other Austonesians, they don't know that Maoris call lice, flea, "Kutu" or that they coun't like this tahi, rua, toru, wha, rima, ono, whitu, waru, iwa, tekau. But who cares anyways PacIslander is a Western Anthropology term. Malays, Indonesians, Filipinos, PacIslanders, Malagasy, are all related.
Filipinos are Asian. Filipinos as Pacific Islander have only been discussed here in the US. If Filipinos are seen as such then our Malaysian & Indonesian neighbors should be called that as well …
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I think it's because in the US they always want to box ppl in 1 category, so if someone doesn't look east asian they would be confused
Indonesia and Malaysia are in the Pacific Ocean and their land masses are too small to be called Continents. Not only that but Papa New Guinea which shares an Island with Indonesia is considered Pacific Islander. The term Malayo-Polynesian was used before also.
@@JungleAsianIslander so is japan; will you call them pacific islander as well? and stop your BS here you are not a real filpno
damn right we should. We should have our own category, Austronesian.
I'm a Fil-Am. When I think Pacific Islanders, I think of people from Fiji, Tonga, Samoa. The Maori of New Zealand. There are some minor similarities between indigenous Filipino cultures and those places, but there are a lot more similiarities with Filipino culture as a whole and other Asians.
And the U.S. Census Bureau backs you up on that.
Filipinos may share maternal mtDNA M1 of Melanesian origin like Papua New Guineans, but their major DNA is O1 which is Asian
as a maori/ Cook islander, i agree...
Though out of all the asian cultures, i find fillipinos to have the most in common with us islanders ✌🏼
@@jaytok7 More likely you never met any Indonesian in your life.
@faustinuskaryadi6610 i live in Australia we have plenty of Indonesians here..whats your point?
Growing up in California, I always heard Filipinos consider themselves as southeast Asian since they are relatively farther than China, Japan, and Korea.
I know a Filipino wrestling fan who racially identifies himself way more with the Samoan wrestler The Rock than he does with the Japanese wrestler Shinsuke Nakamura. He does not see himself as Asian at all!
@@josephimperatrice5552 because that guy is a mrn
@@s2oop436 whats mrn?
@@quincy189 m0r0n
@@josephimperatrice5552 lol, that doesn't make him Pacific Islander. Millions of Filipinos love Kpop and yet that doesn't make Filipinos Koreans or East Asians.
I was always curious why this debate is for filipinos but no Indonesians or Malaysians who almost always identify as asian
just because they are one of the Asian majority minorities
next gen filipino americans......
Because my people are one of the most self-hating Asians out there. They'd rather be considered as Hispanics then Pacific Islanders than Asians. Because Hispanics and Pacific Islanders are seen as "Cooler" than Asians.
Also, which why you probably notice lots of Filipinos born in NA tend to have more Black Friends than like having other Asian friends (chinese, koreans, japanese, etc) Because its "cool".
Because theres very few Indo and Malays diaspora. We are not Asian either.
@@chewy6487 Bro the word Asian is meaningless. Calling Chinese and Malay people "Asian" means nothing, there's no similarity between us. This category is nonsense, If you're adamant on calling someone Asian just apply it to East Asian. No Austronesian group wants to be identified the same as East Asian. We're not them, never was.
Any Filipino who identifies as Pacific Islander is misinformed or just wants to feel special. We're Asian. We're no more Pacific Islander than Indonesians and Malaysians are. Pacific Islanders are one of many Austronesians which Filipinos (as are Indonesians, Malaysians, native Hawaiians, Maori, Samoans, etc.) are. We share similar cultural traits w/ each other but Pacific Islander denotes more of a geographical region as does Maritime Southeast Asia.
It sounds arbitrary but the Philippines and other countries such as Indonesia and Malaysia have closer cultural ties to Asia than the Pacific Islands- Indian influence and the Spice Trade, the Maritime Silk Road, trade w/ China, and the growth of Islam (through trade w/ people of the Arabian peninsula), are shared similarities that Maritime SEA has that most Pacific Island nations don't.
Identity is a malleable thing. With many factors dictating what culture you feel attached to. We’re you in foster care? Did u have access to good education? Did you biological parents care about passing on their culture etc..
I agree with you 100%! But don't forget that the Japanese people also immigrated to the Philippines in the last 600 years as depicted in the Boxer Codex. I am a half Filipino half European American who was born and raised in the United States. I have been to the Philippines two times in my life to visit my relatives, and I have always regarded myself as an Asian American. Plus, through a DNA test I took, the majority of my Asian ancestry comes from Indonesia, Malaysia, and the Philippines, with some also from Myanmar. While the rest of my Asian ancestry comes from Japan, Korea, Bangladesh, Nepal, and Afghanistan. This makes sense to me since we Filipinos have always identified ourselves as being related to Indonesians and Malaysians, and the fact that the Philippines received Hindu and Buddhist influences from India in things like the Laguna Copperplate Inscription and Baybayin, ancient Hindu and Buddhist artifacts from the Philippines, Tagalog loanwords from Sanskrit as Fung Bros stateded, as well as Japanese influence in the Philippines like Tagalog loanwords from Japanese as Fung Bros stated, Japanese pottery found in the Philippines from over 400 years ago, Japanese immigrants who immigrated to the Philippines as depicted in the Boxer Codex, Kakigori being the predecessor to Halo Halo, Odong noodles being descended from Udon noodles, means that we Filipinos are 100% Asian. Always have been, always will be.
I find if funny how Filipino's don't care to learn about their past and acknowledge the truth. My ex born and raised in the Philippines didn't even know she was part Spaniard. All I did was ask her mother other their great grand parents. Along side her sister in-law father was half Chinese. There were not even aware of their background. It's important to know because sometimes even Asian groups are racist to others. But when you know you may be genetically part of that group, your belief system change about them. I'd say there, should be any but in reality there is nothing we can do.
I remember in middle school during 2005-2008 all filipinos would claim PI so they don't get associated with negative asian sterotypes like small pp and others. And during high school 2009-2012 they would claim asian once like kpop started becoming more famous to benefit off asian culture lol they literally just picking and choosing whatever benefits them. Went to school in the US in the west coast btw.
@@quincy189 I think I heard some Filipino claiming to be Pacific Islander to perhaps get into harder colleges more easily back when I was in high school.
I was born in the Philippines and have lived half of my life there before moving to the US. We have always considered ourselves Asians or Southeast Asians to be specific. I’ve never met any Filipinos who identified as a Pacific Islander. The ones I see online that do, they’re usually Filipino Americans that were born here or came to the US at a very young age and they call themselves that because they’ve heard it from non-Filipinos who just would not know what to identify us as.
Same here… met a lot of them when I move to Hawaii and it just made me laugh…
This is so wrong.
Majority of pilipinos are Austronesians, the rest are minorities including Chinese or Asian descent. Hence, Pilipinos are Pacific islanders or Austronesians.
Get your facts straight!!
@@___Anakin.Skywalker Nope, he's correct about Fil-Ams and you're wrong. The term Austronesian refers to a language family that isn't exclusive to Pacific Islanders since it encompasses a significant portion of Southeast Asia as well such as Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei, East Timor, Singapore and Indonesia. Heck, not all Austronesians live in an island and there are Austronesians in Mainland Southeast Asia as well like the Cham people of Vietnam and Cambodia. Saying Filipinos aren’t Southeast Asians just because they’re Austronesians is just as ridiculous like saying Indians aren’t South Asians just because they speak an Indo-European language. So get your facts straight by not misusing the term Austronesian.
@@___Anakin.Skywalker you are WRONG! austronesian doesn't mean apcific islanders. austronesian infact is a language term asia means people of asia. Filipinos are not apcifici lsnader you are embarassing
@@s2oop436 you are wrong
Filipinos are SOUTHEAST ASIANS. They are very much related to Indonesians, Malaysians & Native Taiwanese. They are not East Asians, like Chinese, Koreans or Japanese. The problem with American perceptions is that when they say Asians, they mean East Asians.
No they mean east/southeast Asians, not south Asians.
in america, when you say asian, it’s east and southeast asian but in UK, it’s south asian (indian, pakis)
A lot of Filipinos are Chinese though. Many Filipinos are mixed with Chinese. Chinese culture has practically blended in with Filipino culture. The average Filipino has Chinese ancestry...
@@ElizabethChee-rj7bn I am a half Filipino half European American who was born and raised in the United States. I have been to the Philippines two times in my life to visit my relatives, and I have always regarded myself as an Asian American. Plus, through a DNA test I took, the majority of my Asian ancestry comes from Indonesia, Malaysia, and the Philippines, with some also from Myanmar. While the rest of my Asian ancestry comes from Japan, Korea, Bangladesh, Nepal, and Afghanistan. This makes sense to me since we Filipinos have always identified ourselves as being related to Indonesians and Malaysians, and the fact that the Philippines received Hindu and Buddhist influences from India in things like the Laguna Copperplate Inscription and Baybayin, ancient Hindu and Buddhist artifacts from the Philippines, Tagalog loanwords from Sanskrit as Fung Bros stateded, as well as Japanese influence in the Philippines like Tagalog loanwords from Japanese as Fung Bros stated, Japanese pottery found in the Philippines from over 400 years ago, Japanese immigrants who immigrated to the Philippines as depicted in the Boxer Codex, Kakigori being the predecessor to Halo Halo, Odong noodles being descended from Udon noodles, means that we Filipinos are 100% Asian. Always have been, always will be.
I am a half Filipino half European American who was born and raised in the United States. I have been to the Philippines two times in my life to visit my relatives, and I have always regarded myself as an Asian American. Plus, through a DNA test I took, the majority of my Asian ancestry comes from Indonesia, Malaysia, and the Philippines, with some also from Myanmar. While the rest of my Asian ancestry comes from Japan, Korea, Bangladesh, Nepal, and Afghanistan. This makes sense to me since we Filipinos have always identified ourselves as being related to Indonesians and Malaysians, and the fact that the Philippines received Hindu and Buddhist influences from India in things like the Laguna Copperplate Inscription and Baybayin, ancient Hindu and Buddhist artifacts from the Philippines, Tagalog loanwords from Sanskrit as Fung Bros stateded, as well as Japanese influence in the Philippines like Tagalog loanwords from Japanese as Fung Bros stated, Japanese pottery found in the Philippines from over 400 years ago, Japanese immigrants who immigrated to the Philippines as depicted in the Boxer Codex, Kakigori being the predecessor to Halo Halo, Odong noodles being descended from Udon noodles, means that we Filipinos are 100% Asian. Always have been, always will be.
as someone living in the pacific...I identify phillipinos as asians
as filipino i identify as pacific islander, hispanic, asian, african, caucasian
Filipinos are Asian. Filipino American needs to be corrected about this. We are Asian.
Technically speaking Pacific Islanders are Austronesians and Melanesians while Filipinos are Austronesians (plus various other races/ethnicities) so yeah they are connected. It's just that Filipino textbooks are outdated and most Filipinos are barely aware of the other races/ethnicities that are mixed in their blood. There are also other SEA countries with Austronesian blood. Anyway, Filipinos are Asians that are genetically connected to Pacific Islanders due to being Austronesians.
@@arien_000 Pacific Islanders have a Papuan component and an Asian component, recent discoveries in DNA point that the Asian component came from groups in the Philippines, like Kankanaey Igorots, which if you're Filipino is astonishing because they are not known to be a Maritime people. Filipinos in the Philippines are waaay behind, they're almost kept in the dark about these developments,
What qualifies Filipinos to say they are Asian? Being Asian is not a right, but a privilege that you must earn. You just go around telling the world you're Spanish-Oriental, Spanish-Asian, Asian-Latino.
@@user-l4y7r04wy6iv history, culture, genetics. how about you? what qualifies you to dictate who we should be?
Filipinos are not Pacific Islanders. We are a mix of Indonesians, Malaysians, and the local Negritos. That is what I remember being taught to us in school back home.
that's exactly what you are. Don't let anyone tell you any different, we maritime SEA people have nothing similar with Asian people.
When I was a little kid I was confused and thought we were Pacific Islander for some reason (misinformation). But definitely Asian! Filipinos actually have a lot in common with Indonesians and Malays (who are also considered Asian). Also, a lot of the comfort food I grew up with when I was younger is closer to Chinese (also Asian) like tomato and egg, etc.
Your not alone - I actually loosely picked Pac Islander too when I was younger, but deeper into college I definitely knew we were Asian
@@jmedz893 US census should add Maritime South East Asian (Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Brunei, Philippines) as sub-group of Asian. Thai, Vietnamese, Cambodian, Burmese, Lao are Mainland South East Asians not Maritime one.
@@faustinuskaryadi6610We shouldn't be called Asian in the first place. We are Austronesian. We don't eat using chopsticks, neither do we identify with East Asian culture. We should separate ourselves as Austronesian or Malayo-Polynesian.
@@potatoeskimos The chopstick culture should be called Sinosphere instead Asia. The original meaning of Asia if you read New Testament Bible is the region around Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran not China.
@@potatoeskimos Native Lebanese from Lebanon identify themselves as Asian despite they are not part of chopstick culture.
Only people in US think Asian is synonymous with Sinosphere aka Chinese culture.
Originally the word Asia means any land East of Aegean Sea, that's why Iranian and Turkey also identify themselves as Asian.
It's just US people that screwd original meaning of Asian since Japanese and Chinese descents in US dislike to be called as Mongoloid.
Technically the distance from coast of Philippines to the coast China is the same distance between Sacramento and San Diego.. but the distance from the Philippines to Samoa is farther than the distance from San Diego to Toronto. I doubt a Californian would declare themselves from North Eastern Canadian than West Coast American
The key words here are "Filipino American." You will never hear Filipinos from the Philippines call themselves as Pacific Islanders instead of Asian.
Are you kidding me pacific islander all the way
@@socialsmigs1626only fke filipino will claim Pacific Islanders
yeh, its a sad by-product of growing up on a diet of American identity politics. I wouldn't dream of identifying as a culture and people I have no connection or understanding to AT ALL. thats a piss-take, an insult to real Pacific Islanders.
depends on what they look, Filipino o filipinese?😂
@@s2oop436I'm a Filipino and I have NEVER heard a single Filipino say "we're Pacific Islanders." Nope. We are proud Southeast Asian Filipinos and Hispanic too plus 80 percent Americanised
Fil-Ams claiming to be Pacific Islanders need to go back to the Philippines, especially in the cities where Filipinos look from a range of looking like Indo-Malay to Chinese, to Spanish or Caucasian.
Also, if we're talking about being "brown" Southeast Asian, how about our Indonesian and Malaysian brothers? We bare more resemblance to them physically in culturally than Pacific Islanders.
Is Spanish still spoken in Philippines?
@@UnstableYT-u7kno, but there’s a language so close to spanish, called chavacano. not sure if it’s really spanish cus i watched videos of spanish ppl reacting to it and they understand but at the same time, they don’t
You missed one of the very obvious reason why some from the US or Fil-Am identify as Pacific Island and it's because the Philippines is an island in the Pacific as opposed to all those other countries you mentioned.
To me, this was a big reason why many identified this way before when I think this topic has it's first wind.
Either way, I think Filipinos are a bit in an advantage to be able to identify in a bit more ways than others and for so many different reasons. Nothing wrong with how one wants to identify as everyone's individual experience is valid.
@@forthesnowflakes7691 Like the Philippines, Indonesia is also an archipelago and not connected to mainland Asia. So are Japan and Taiwan and they don't identify as Pacific Islanders just because of that. Also, Filipinos actually have more in common with other Southeast Asians than Pacific Islanders.
@@GTX311 exactly and do Japanese or Koreans or Taiwanese have any resemblance to Polynesian brothers? Not in the slightest but Filipinos do and Filipinos program, get mistaken and mix culturally with Samoan, Tongans and Hawaiians.
If you're from California or the Bay Area you would understand a bit more. And if you are and still don't get it then maybe you're a square.
I am Japanese. Gonna start calling myself Pacific Islander.
lol...coz japan is an island in the pacific just like the philippines..and also taiwan..
I was shocked at how many islands Japan has! I was genuinely shocked lol. Philippines, Indonesia, and Japan truly are island nations.
Bingo! With Japan being an archipelago in the Pacific Ocean, should we start calling the Japanese Pacific Islanders? And the term "Asian" doesn't apply to East and Southeast Asians only. Just ask the Lebanese, who consider themselves Asian as well.
They call themselves PACIFIC ISLANDER because it doesn't look asian....than japanese and Chinese,Korean
@@Culturalgazelle not all filipinos have tribal tatoo it was not even practice by lowland filipinos. not all filipinos are dark skinned majority are actually light skinned to biege. thats why the filipino are pacific islander claims are BS
I think as far as most people are concerned, "Asian-ness" is how "Chinese" someone is. Like Japanese and Koreans look very Chinese and have very Sinicised cultures so they're definitely Asian. Southeast Asians look kinda Chinese but darker-skinned and have more Indianised cultures so they're only sometimes considered Asian. South Asians look completely different and don't have much Chinese influence in their culture which is why there's always debate about whether they're even Asian (even though a lot of "Chinese culture" like Buddhism and Kung Fu really originated from India). Then there are Central Asians, Siberians and Eskimos who aren't even in the discussion even though they're all pretty Chinese-looking.
This is the fault of US Centric media that made Asia synonymous with Sinosphere. In fact, Sinosphere is just Far East part of Asia.
This is so true, this is what I say too. In the US and certain other Western nations, "Asianness" is defined by how close you are to Chinese culture and people.
We Indians are Asians ....I donno why this type of discussion exist...they are really bad in geography.....
nah i disagree about all of central asians look chinese many of them as far as i know look like westerners
OMG! We are ASIANS! We are one hour flight from HongKong, our neighbors are China, Laos, Vietnam. Why would we be anything else but Asian??
Amen!!
I am Filipino but In a group of east Asian I stand out lol. So it does not matter if we are 1 hr away from china
@@adenjames2300 so because you stand out it does not matter that the Philiippines is located in ASIA on the map? LOL
@@adenjames2300uhh because you're Southeast Asian and not East Asian?
Speaking as a non-Filipino East Asian who grew up amongst many Filipino Americans, this is just my observation. Keep in mind that this is mostly in reference to Amboys/girls.
I think they seem to "code switch" between both Asian and Pacific Islander depending on what's convenient, or what's cool and trending at the time.
During my HS years, I remember the young dudes rocking war helmets and those Islander t-shirts with super ripped dudes on them, which are more akin to Samoan, Fijian, and Tongan. They would also regularly wear puka shell necklaces and bracelets.
Once the import car scene came about, and then anime, boba, k-pop, etc., suddenly, Filipinos seemed to become more "Asian." I even now see boba shops owned by Filipinos blasting K-pop and J-pop on the PA system. Some of the biggest “weebs” I have ever met are all Filipino. Samoans and Tongans are definitely NOT that into the East Asian pop culture in the same manner.
Another thing I notice is that Filipino Americans are not that into the media produced by their native country. Whereas HK, Taiwanese, Korean, etc. Americans often listen to the music and consume the movies and television programs from their homelands, I notice most Amboys/girls do not.
Also, when Filipinos make it to Hollywood, they often have to portray an East Asian ethnicity because of the lack of Filipino identity. Tia Carrere and Dante Basco are prime examples.
Thank you for saying this! I remember growing up in high school and the majority of them would NEVER claim to be Asian because it wasn't the cool thing to say. But now, they love claiming they are Asian and code switch when it is convenient. We still love them but it is interesting to see how the tables have turned... lol
@@blufincht1782 You are absolutely right! I remember there was a “Poly” club at my HS, and it was majority Filipinos in there. 😆
I also recently went to a Hawaiian reggae concert in NorCal, and I’d say that perhaps 66% of the crowd was Filipino. The rest were maybe 30% actual Pacific Islanders, 3% white, and besides me, 0% East Asian.
Im most likely much older than you the filams that i grew up with would never associate themselves with kpop, anime or any of those typical asian nerdy stuffs heck even my east asian homies mocked and frowned upon asians who were into those things it was gangsta rap all day anyday for them, i guess what im saying is different times different place.
@@Bulshitero sure, they were into gangster rap and all, but they never lost their identity. They were still hardcore Asian gangsters.
It’s odd for those you interviewed before, they called themselves Pacific Islanders because of preference or ignorance, even other neighboring Asian countries like Korea, China, Japan, Indonesia, Malaysia, HK, Singapore, Thailand and Vietnam, they never used the term Pacific Island to describe Philippines, while politically, in events we don’t get involved in Pacific events when it’s called “Pacific” only, but we get involved when it’s called Asia-Pacific. Kudos to you guys, you have much more knowledge and wider view on this topic than those Fil-Am who claimed they are Pacific Islanders
You are so right!
Its because the countries you mentioned had never in their history that the People pactice Pacific Islander culture. But the Philippines before the Spanish practice the Pacific Islanders culture. Spanish even call them "Pindados" just like the natives of Tonga, Samoa etc.
@@joshi6898 News Flash! If you look at the world map, you'll see that the Philippines is located in Southeast Asia. Plus, my Whole Genome Sequencing DNA test shows the Philippines listed under the "Southeast Asia" category, along with Indonesia, Malaysia, etc. Which means Filipinos are Southeast Asian, not Pacific Islanders. Japan is surronded by water and is in the Pacific ocean, and they practiced tattoos as well, especially the Yakuza, does that mean Japanese people are also Pacific Islander? Plus in pre colonial times, only the Visayans did tattoos, not the people of Luzon or Mindanao. So no, Philippines has no similarities to Pacific Islanders.
@@gregorypetty6887 may pa genome sequencing ka pang nalalaman LOL anong south east Asian? we beolong to Austronesian! mag aral ka boy! genes natin na trace galing Taiwan Just like the Pacific Islanders kahit Language natin Austronesian yan din Languages ng mga Pacific Islanders! ang BoBo promise! Mag research ka boy ano ang mga Austronesian people at saan galing at kung ang mga Pacific Islander mga Austronesian ba. Kaya wag na wag mo masali ang Japan sa usapan nag mumukha kang bobo! Austronesian includes the South east Asia and Pacific Islands hindi kasali mga mga east Asian gaya ng Japan, Korea or China kaya wag na wag mong masalisali ang Japan sa usapan. Ang Punto bobo! sa lahat ng Austronesian country sa South East Asia ang Pilipinas lang ang naka harap sa dagat Pacifico. Kuha mo? Ang Kultura ng mga ninono natin pre hispanic era ay Austronesian talaga.
@@gregorypetty6887 Kunting reseach lang boy type mo lang sa youtube or Google Austronesian language you wll be amaze how closely related our language and culture to Pacific Islands kasama Hawaii. The way we count from one to ten at marami pa. Tapos sasabihin mo walang similarities? wow ang tanga mo naman saan ka ba nag aral? e demanda mo yung school mo kasi ginawa ka nilang BOBO!
This is why mainland filipinos despise Fil Ams
We're Asian! -a Filipino American
Yet, we're Hispanic & Pacific Islanders too. 😍
@@juliusadriandavidLatin adjacent is probably more accurate. Certainly influenced culturally by Spain but Hispanic refers to Spanish speaking and there’s just a couple dialects that are either Creole Spanish or predominantly influenced by the Spanish language. Either way the Philippines is technically SouthEast Asian but there’s certainly a lot more cultural western influence and exposure than other Asian countries which confuses things 😂
@@juliusadriandavid no we are not pacific islanders. stop being s200pid
@@concernedcitizen4171 Google is FREE smart 🍑! Check the definition of Hispanic & the Pacific Islanders' ancestors. 🙄 Filipinos are Asian, Hispanic & Pacific Islanders by definition. Besides, Guam, the Marianas & Palau Islands were all part of "Las Islas Filipinas" for 333 years under 🇪🇸. And, the Palauans were well-represented in the Malolos Congress during the Philippine Declaration of Independence in 1898. Plus, almost half of Guamanians & Palauans have Filipino Ancestry & almost all of them share the same DNA & Language similarities with The 🇵🇭! #Facts 🤨
@@juliusadriandavid dude no need to get so defensive. I’m aware of what Hispanic means and it’s for a group of people (nation) that speak Spanish. Brazilians aren’t Hispanic either because they speak Portuguese but they’re considered Latin because they’re part of Latin America.
Guam isn’t considered Hispanic either. I’m not denying the Philippine history with Spain. I’m fully aware of the +300 year relationship and understand the cultural influences they’ve had. I understand Tagalog has 30% roots from the Spanish language but it’s just not a Spanish speaking nation (self declared).
The Philippines is certainly more heavily influenced by Spain than any other Asian country. I know that. I’m just pointing out to the facts that it’s technically not considered a Hispanic nation.
Funny they also sometimes called themselves Mexican it’s so weird.
It is mainly Filipino-Americans who claim Pacific Islander. Here in The Philippines, we look at ourselves as Asian.
The Philippines is in South East Asia, a member of ASEAN plus we play in The Asian Games and in football, play in The AFC.
Yeah. Fil-am struggle that one is. No one in actual Asia of the Pacific struggle with identity the way AMericans do.
Arriving in the U.S. in the late 80’s and growing up in the 90’s, some of the applications (e.g. government ID, school, etc.) actually only included Pacific Islander as the closest option to Asian so that is why I used to check it. Essentially Asian was eventually included and then Filipino, now, is more visible in a lot of forms.
I remember when you guys made that video 9 years ago interviewing Filipinos asking them what they identify as and tbh I was shocked on how many of them said pacific islander because all the filipinos I know identify as Asian. But then again I'm from Canada
I know a Filipino wrestling fan who racially identifies himself way more with the Samoan wrestler The Rock than he does with the Japanese wrestler Shinsuke Nakamura. He does not see himself as Asian at all!
As a filipino, I love your accent. Watching from Philippines.
as an "latinoamerican" i tend to not like too much the american accent, but that guy, really knows how to express words, very charming and familiar accent, and also very clear
As a fully matured Filipino, born and raised in the Philippines, it is my first time to heard this arguably issue, we taught as an Asian not a Pacific Islander and you can see the Philippine map is near in the mainland Asia.
Russia and India are also part of Asia
@@noflyzone2307 yes and they are asians; filipinos are NOT pacific islanders
@s2oop436 wow, no they're not Asians. They are geographically in Asia, but they are not racially Asians. WTH?😂
The Philippines have more in common with spanish countries than Asian countries. Also the philippines was know as a Pacific Island, which it still is before it was grouped with the continent of Asia.
@@noflyzone2307 it shows how poor american educatin is. asia is not a race it is a group of people there is no such thing as asian race. indians are asians. arabs ar asians turks are asians etc even if you asked them they will say they are asians.
philippines has more common with other asian countries like malaysia and indonesia than any pacific island countries. no Philippines was not know as a pacific islander firs of all philippines is not even an island it is an archipelago no one called philippines pacific islands excep USA during colonization.
even before philippines was grouped with asian continent
filams are really dmbass
@@noflyzone2307 if you will insist "asian" as chinese you will lose again cause there are thse kind living in russia and india so your argument is the same as your fellow filam, you are all stooooopid
Brown skin. White minds. The eternal conflict unfortunately for the Filipino American male. They get stereotyped alot, good singer, has swag/game, is probably into Nike/supreme. Hobbies probably include basketball, math, anime. Profession is most likely a dialysis or floor nurse, postal worker, or in PT/OT, health related profession. If they’re in legal/business then they’re typically in a forever associate position due to the glass ceiling. They will usually get unwanted racist profiling too for either being Asian and/or dark skinned, unfortunately. Most are hardworking and loyal. Great friends. Gets jealous easily, but good provider.
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Of all the history I’ve read of the Philippines, I’ve heard of luzonites serving in the malacca sultanate, Filipino mercenaries fighting for the Khmers and the Bruneian sultanate ruling up to manila bay. I’ve never heard of any significant contact with pacific islands, so there’s definitely a lot more exchange and integration between Filipinos and the rest of Asia than the pacific lol
Pacific Islanders are 1500 miles (Guam) to 5000 miles (Hawaii and Samoa) away from the Philippines, Fil-Ams always ignore this fact because they're can't fathom the idea that ocean currents, sea storms, getting lost at sea, dehydration at sea, and heat would prevent Pacific Islanders from interacting with Asians, let alone themselves. They always seem to think that this "short" distance was easily sailed by the god-like sea-faring cultures of Pacific Islanders.
Also, for some reason, some Fil-Ams believe seafaring is unique to Pacific Islanders, and they see Filipinos as "seafarers" while ignoring that most of Eastern Asians (most of the world) are seafarers; Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese, Thai, Malaysians, Indonesians, etc.
Anyway, I just wanted to add Visayan pirates took control of an area in Taiwan then raided kingdoms from there; they were so infamous that they were recorded in the history books of Japan and China. And sometime 500 years ago, Japanese, Chinese, and Filipino pirates fought against the Spanish at the Cagayan Battle (1582?).
On the more peaceful side of things, the first Filipinos in Korea shipwrecked on Jeju Island and the Korean recorded as the first Korean to learn Ilocano shipwrecked in the Philippines, talk about destinies. lol
As for Southeast Asians, who knows how even interacted, there's no possible way our peoples could have mingled with each other according to Filipino-Americans because we were too busy sharing our culture with the Polynesians 5000+ miles away. /s
FYI @@joodeki
A lot of people in Guam have Filipino DNA. Check out Ancestry DNA geography references.
@joodeki the visayanites are peacefull people until some asian call them as jungle asian. They are not pirates. They just went juaramentados
As a country, the Philippines is part of The Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN): an inter-governmental international organization, comprised of Indonesia, Vietnam, Laos, Brunei, Thailand, Myanmar, the Philippines, Cambodia, Singapore and Malaysia. Filipino's are SE Asian, Malay race, lahing Kayumangi. The national anthem, Bayang Magiliw even has the words "Perlas ng Silanganan" (Pearl of the Orient).
Only FAUX-Lipinos claim Pacific Islander
Male Fil-Am: "NO! I want to be Pacific Islander because its cooler and I dont like being looked upon as an Asian male!'
@@thvtsydneylyf3th077 lol your not filipino your fake
This kind of issue started in Hawaii a American state , many Hawaiian-Filipino born and raise in Hawaii but with huge Filipino ancestry have this struggle. Despite of being Filipino ancestry They grow up in a Pacific islander culture and environment. So an a average normal person who doesnt like to research , they tend to be like "Oh we look almost the same ,same color of skin , "maybe" culturally the same and also island nation maybe we are pacific islander" . And also 2nd reason is to avoid the Asian Racism and discrimination.
As someone that's been debating with pro-Pacific Filipino for the last 4? months (other videos), you're basically correct, they just want to fit in with their environment and be accepted. However, some of them are just racists against "Asians". If you tell some of them "Japan is also an island in the Pacific", they'll tell you it doesn't count because and I quote. "they're white", "they're Chinese-influenced", "FUCK GEOGRAPHY". Yes, these are all quotes they use. They often claim Japanese are too white to be Pacific Islanders while ignoring the fact that Okinawans and some Japanese are dark-skinned. Some Chinese are also dark-skinned. Also, most of the time, they don't even want to bring up "Southeast Asians", they'll skirt around the topic and say we're all part of the "Malay Race" (a term from 300+ years ago coined by racist Europeans, "Malay Race" doesn't even include Pacific Islanders). And sometimes, they misuse the term "Austronesian". Austronesians CAME FROM Asia, but to them, "Austronesians are Pacific Islanders", "Austronesians are not Asian". And yes, again, these are quotes they use.
Also in Hawaii it's cooler to be Pacific Islander (esp. Hawaiian), as opposed to being Asian. Even though Pacific Islanders tend to be economically disadvantaged.
Idk, I’m kind of skeptical if it’s only one study and what the demographic was that they asked, whether it be Filipino American or from the country itself, and which location it was. I’m Filipino American and very adamant that I’m Southeast Asian, but I grew up in a pretty diverse city where I wasn’t whitewashed and had plenty of Filipino and East Asian friends.
The Philippines and native Taiwanese are technically pacific islands and Asian and pacific islanders are lumped together. I don't care if you're Hawaiian
thats the thing, its a source of embarassment for these boys especially, to be labelled asian in america is social suicide at times past.
I'm from the Philippines, I consider myself Asian. This is definitely for the Fil-Ams.
Look into Madagascar in Africa very mixed people there Indian, Pasific islanders, Asian and East African .
Yeah it seems to be uniquely filam this 'confusion' of sorts. In Australia and Papua New Guinea there are large contingents of filipinos and none of them struggle with self ID - they always ID as Asian. American identity politics is so charged that filams have been pushed to make this distincion out of convienience it seems. Besides, all Pacific Islanders descended from Asia, not the other way around to say that Filipinos have Pacific blood.
Filipino American here. It is an American thing. Filipinos in the Philippines consider themselves as either just Asians or SE Asians. Pacific Islander is not even a thing.
Correct 💯
Exactly. I am currently a U.S. citizen, but I was born and raised in the Philippines. The Pacific Islander thing is BS to me.
Interesting, then what is a Pacific Islander?
I guess PolyMicroMelanesians don't exist in the world anymore
@@Kadukunahaluu I dont know why they would say that, of course they exist.
Doh dude! even Indonesia who's literally standing in between two different continents Asia and Oceania - we are called ourselves as Native Southeast Asian even though less than 10% of us is Melanesian race and mixed.
Note : Dear American Phillipino do not get identity crisis and yes you are NOT alone coz you're neighbouring countries in Maritime Asean are totally look alike you guys (MALAYO or MALAY RACE known as Austronesian but unfortunately Indonesian, Malaysian, Bruneian, Singaporean are NOT designed to be migrants to the US.
As a Filipino born, raised and is living in the PH, I can say that 99.9 percent of us consider ourselves asian. It’s not even a debate here. lol. I don’t know what’s the deal with Filipino-Americans, they try to call us Filipinx too. What the heck. 😂😂
Were Astronesian so asian. Filipino American students probably said Pacific islanders because of the islands amd in their school if they say asian they will actually refer to Chinese students.
The Philippines are part of Southeast Asia, thus Filipinos are Asians. Before, I would think that Filipinos were Pacific Islanders, but as I got older, it didn't make sense. Even look at the SEA Games which is officially known as the South East Asian Games. It involves 11 countries of Southeast Asia which also includes the Philippines.
When people think of Asians, people tend to think more of East Asians such as Japanese or Chinese. It reminds me how in the King of the Hill, Hank and his friends were questioning Kahn if he was Chinese or Japanese. Even though he explained that he is Laotian, they still continued to question if he is either A or B. I can understand his frustration when I explain Filipinos are Asians.
As a Filipino who immigrated to the USA, I always checked the box for Asian. BUT if there was a box for Filipino then I checked that box over Asian.
From the Filipinos I know, I've noticed that none of them want to be Asian... They want to Pacific Islanders so badly... But going off of how they justify them being Pacific Islanders, then that would also mean Japanese people would have to be. I've also noticed lots of my full Filipino friends always have to make sure I know they are part Spanish. I really don't understand this mentality as I haven't seen it among other Asian ethnicities.
filams are really embarassing. no one in philippines are like that
Because they are Pacific Islanders. They live on an island in the Pacific, and genetically similar to them too. East Asian are Eurasian people.
@@potatoeskimos it is the indian who are eurasian people east asian are technically same as other south east asian people. stop spreading wrong information
This issue is clearly a USA issue. The problem is that there is a large Filipino community, as compared to other Southeast Asian communities, besides Vietnamese. Malaysia, Indonesia, Cambodia, Thailand, Singapore, etc all have history of mixed/colonization yet their populations aren't as large compared to the other Asian communities in the USA. So if you also factor in the divide between Filipinos from the Philippines, as compared to the American-born Filipinos who are oblivious or ignorant to Filipino history/culture, let alone other SE Asian cultures, this is why there is this identity crisis.
Every Filipino I have met in Tokyo, Osaka & Northern Japan all identified as Asian btw.
I was brought up in the Philippines and then came to the US as a teenager. The Pacific Islander thing is an American thing. The reason for this is that the term Asian in the US refers mostly to Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans. Filipinos are distinct from them. There aren't many Malaysians, Indonesians, and Thai people around to identify with to form our own subgroup. Filipinos do not eat mainly with chopsticks. They are Christian (Catholic mostly). Filipinos do not have a long ancient history of high civilization. Most Filipinos do not look like the typical Japanese, Korean, Chinese.
The people we see around us are the Hawaiians, Chamorros, and other. Much of Hawaii and Guam have shared history with the Philippines (European colonization and Americanization). There is large Filipino communities in these places. Since they identify as Pacific Islander (even though some have no indigenous blood) and they are much more relatable to us than other Asians, some Filipinos feel that that Pacific Islander is the correct designation.
Mind you, Filipinos in the Philippines don't ever think about this stuff. To Filipinos in the Philippines, Asian is too broad of a term, and Pacific Islander is not even a known term.
Do Pacific Islanders consider Filipinos as Pacific Islanders? Philippines is not included in The Pacific Games nor the Festival of Pacific Art and Culture because the Pacific Island nations don't consider Philippines as Pacific Islanders.
I've been debating in a lot of videos on this very topic for the last 4? months. There are more Pacific Islanders that are against Filipino claiming to be Pacific Islanders. 90% I'd say, from the ones I came across which isn't a huge number. The pro-Pacific Filipino never consider what the Philippines want or what the Pacific Islanders want. They say things like "here in the US, we have to make distinction, so we have to claim that we're Pacific Islander". Like, who decided the distinctions and who decided the Philippines are part of the Pacific Island groups? Oh, you did? You didn't ask THEM?
There were Pacific Islanders that also said "stay in your lane", "I don't see the Philippines in the Pacific Games, hmmmmm", "hey, see you at the Pacific Games lol"
There are a small percentage of Pacific Islanders that are okay with it though.
Filipinos are Asians. We're Asians. Period. Whenever I see "Pacific Islander", all that comes to mind (for me, at least) are those from the Oceania region. Fiji, Tonga, Palau, American Samoa, et al. The Philippines is not from that region. While we may be from the "Pacific", too, we are not Pacific Islanders. Otherwise, Japanese are also Pacific Islanders. Taiwan, Indonesia, East Timor would be Pacific Islands. But they're not, are they?
In addition, it's sort of insulting (again, I can only speak for myself here) that some Filipinos identify as Pacific Islanders more so than being Asians. I mean, is it embarrassing for some of those people to be called Asians? I certainly hope not. Asia is a multi-cultural continent, anyway. You have East Asians, South Asians, Middle Easterns, Central Asians and Southeast Asians. Not all of us Asians are the same, so if they're too concerned as to the Philippines being closer in terms of culture/ancestry/heritage to the Pacific Islander's than the other Asians, then that's just it, right? "Some parts" only... which is equivalent to Filipinos ALSO sharing "some" culture with Asia. So how about that?
@@vielissimo1202Even we indians are also Asian....
Im Filipino grew up in PH . there is no such thing as Pacific Islander . LMAO we consider as Asians! . We love Basketball Filipino Music Anime KDrama KPOP . ! hahaha. We ASIAN AS FFFFF... PACIFIC ISLANDER . EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW NOOOOOOOO!
I can say that everyone around here in Bisayas where I live identifies as Asian. My wife says she is Asian for sure. My wife has been mistaken for Latino a few times.
Filos stop kidding yourselves we are asian, not islander, or latin,, lets embrace our unique culture and physical differences from our south-east asian cousin's.
We might have mixed blood but we are Asians.
Can’t believe you guys did that video 9 years ago! It feels like, or could’ve been 6 years ago when I first watched it lol
Basically Philippines are southeast Asian duh.
Interesting conversation. My Filipina sister (I am too lol) was recently asked to head a Latino Advancement group at her work bc they believed she was Latina. When she told them she was Filipino, they went with it as she was the closest thing to a Latina in a position of power at their organization. Sometimes I think it all depends on who you're down for and who's down for you... as a Filipina woman with two half Mexican daughters, she has a vested interest in promoting Latin interests, visibility and opportunities. She accepted that role with absolute sincerity. Also, we have a lot in common with Latin cultures even if it's not apples to apples. The same with Pacific Islanders and other Asian groups. I would probably say we're Asian more than anything else, specifically SE Asian, but we're also a little of all the boxes because of our history and the geographic location of the Islands, but also... dare I say... bc of our open hearts? 🤣 Don't kill me for being dorky. All love. 💕
hispanic is much more acceptable because of of spain colonization. pacific islander is totally different it is just some crp by filams
@@s2oop436 There's a comment somewhere here from someone who I think is Mexican-Filipino that said re both his Mexican and Filipino heritage, he connected more with the tribal pre-colonial side and that perhaps there's some of this going on here, where Fil-Ams identify strongly with Pacific Islanders... which is not really our current understanding of what is Pacific Islander or Filipino, but an idealization of what predated the dominance of Western culture and their definitions. I can see that being true, even while it may be dismissive of the nuances and current concerns of Pacific Islanders. That said, a generalized Asian identity is vague and in the US, leans to the stereotypes of the "Top 3" - Chinese, Japanese and Korean, who dominate the conversation and representation. I wouldn't say it's bc the stereotypes associated w East Asians in the US are negative, but ultimately limiting and incorrect for so many. And I don't know if "hispanic" would be more correct but it isn't more wrong, so there's that. 🤷🏻♀️ Well maybe it is wrong. I believe hispanic denotes Spanish-speakers, coined by the Nixon administration and similar to the word _hispanoblante._
@@random-fish they just want the pre col filipino to be cool; like seriously pre colonial philippines is strongly hindu buddhist. its not different from laos and cambodia
precolonial philippines had a different name. consisted of peoples from south china, vietnam, neighboring islands. including seafaring warrior peoples that introduced agriculture to the islands - the 'painted ones' the spanish encountered when first landing in mactan. natives were identified as 'agta, aeta, ainu' and were black and had curly hair. ph was a melting pot of various cultures well before the spanish. my theory is that we identify more with what our genetic makeup is. im filipino... i identify more with warrior cultures. i love agriculture. nothing new from what our ancestors were into
yeah agriculture is really part of filipino culture. same with other neighbouring south east asian countries
these filipino americans claiming they're pacific islanders rather than asian felt not filipino enough that they made up this thing for themselves, meanwhile filipinos in the phililippines wouldn't care if they are asians becoz they truly are.
I kid you not, I got called "Asian boy" as an insult by a Filipino-American because I reminded him that we eat rice, eggrolls, and noodles like other Asians. Bruh, he cared more about "his island" than the Philippines. That island was Palau, which is over 1000 MILES away from the Philippines.
These guys grow up wanting to be like their neighbors, but expect us Philippine-born Filipinos to accept the labels they stole from their neighbors. It's crazy.
Also, Pacific Islanders don't even eat rice traditionally.
Sorry this is not true, our ancestors in the Philippines were fantastic sailors. They reached Vanuatu, for sure, since they've found thousands of years old bones there who's DNA are a match for modern Kankanaey and Igorots in Northern Luzon. They were Lapita Burial grounds, and the Lapita Culture settled all over Polynesia.
I mean it makes sense, the philippines is in the west Pacific Ocean and we are islanders. let's be real most filipinos say their Asians bc the US categorized us as Asians bc technically we are part of Asia, but so is half of Russia and India. I don't hear them saying they are Asian lol.
@@noflyzone2307 Russians consider themselves Eurasian, bro. They even partially based their name on the term Eurasian. And India considers themselves South Asians or they simply go with Indian. The word you're looking for that they do not call themselves is Eastern Asian.
It's MARITIME SOUTHEAST ASIA, bro, no one calls it Western Pacific unless they want to pretend to be Pacific Islanders. The Filipinos that call themselves Pacific Islanders are culture thieves, that's a simple fact, yo. Filipinos and Pacific Islanders had no significant contact with each other for 5,000 years, but y'all are pretending they're our "closest" relatives.
We're Southeast Asians because of our history with both South Asians and our East Asian ancestors. And Pacific Islanders are bunched up together because of migrational history and ISOLATION from everyone else, even themselves. Like no even knew what Samoans were for 5000 years, while India was colonizing Southeast Asia for the last 4000 years.
Listen as a pacific islander myself Filipinos are diff culture we ain’t Asian
But pacific,consider Filipinos are Asian
I always that they’re classified as Pacific Islanders because they’re not part of “Asia”, but on a separate “island”?
Why is this even a conversation 🤦♂️
Because its a HUGE talking point in the filo-american community. Its not in Phillipines or the Pacific.
Growing up in the 2000s, south east asian wasn't even a choice for us in high school/college. I'm Filipino and played football and was tanned because of it. Many of my asian friends would call me pacific islander and would tell me that I'm not Asian and on the flip side I had pacific islander friends telling me that I was asian and not pacific islander. It was sort of an identity crisis at the time. Even dating was a struggle, it was like you basically had to date other Filipino people because if you tried dating someone asian their parents would be like oh hell no get the mexican out of here or I'd get the impression that I'm the wrong type of asian to be dating their daughter. I feel like nowadays its more accepted that Filipinos are asians too.
filipinos are really asians it is in the america that filipinos are just called pacific islander. early 2000 there are few south east asians in the US so east asian chinese are the majority and has high horse; even koreans are not popular that time and they are being called chinese as well but now the truth was being revealed those abc cant talked now cause even mainland chinese are mocking them
Bro. I grew up in America in the 2000s as a high school kid and we were considered Asians, like what do you mean Southeast Asian wasn't a choice? In the census? You just had to fill out Filipino under Asian or Asian (Like, if you're going to college, you're supposed to be smart enough to know that the Philippines is in Asia and has always been considered Asian). Filipinos were making a name of themselves in BBoy culture which was dominated by Asians in the 2000s. AZN pride was all the hype in the 2000s and 1990s and Filipinos were included in it. ABGirls started from that AZN stuff.
Like, really, a freaking census/questionnaire for college was what made some of y'all have an identity crisis?
Bro, to a traditional Asian, you were the wrong type of Asian for their child to marry. Filipino moms do that shit, too. For over ten years as an adult, my mother would tell me to date and marry a Filipina. She would even tell me she got me engaged to her friend's daughter, a Filipina.
Your Asian friends were probably just making fun of you for being super dark, but the Pacific Islanders were being honest with you, bro. Pacific Islanders want to have their own identity, too, you know, and they don't want your identity crisis culturally appropriating their culture.
There's no "nowadays Filipino are more accepted as Asians", we've always been, bro. You just had a rare childhood identity crisis because you forgot/didn't know what other Filipinos are like and didn't know the majority of us Filipino-Americans were doing AZN stuff in the 2000s.
Edit: The fact that Pacific Islanders told you you were NOT one of them is proof enough that Filipinos were always seen as Asians, bro. There's no "nowadays we are".
@@joodeki bro another mrn are spouting BS again his name is jon doe see his comment in the latest sort
@@joodeki he is in asian theory video
We are ASIAN
To my fellow Filipino-American brothers and sisters, don't let others define you; don't let the narrative define who you are; and be proud of where you are rooted and embrace who you are. Learn more about your roots and appreciate your heritage. We support each other, stand in solidarity with one another, and don't let them tell you other wise, and you have the right to defend the clear evidence.
To any Pacific Islanders watching this, I would like to apologize for the remarks our fellow Filipino-American siblings made. We love them, but they are just too detached from their culture and heritage after being exposed to the western mindset for so long. We mean no disrespect; we are very clear in our identities that we are Asians. This is a matter of our heritage that we never take lightly. We may never understand the plight of our fellow Filipino-American brothers and sisters, but we are trying to understand that it may have been too difficult for them to truly know who they are
Im filipino canadian and this makes me happy thank u 😭🙏 Although I don't understand why we are regarded as Pacific Islanders when the Philippines is geographically within Asia?
@@nummy662 I've been debating with pro-Pacific Filipinos for many months now.
Most of them are anti-Asian men or that do not want to be associated with Asian stereotypes and come up with MANY excuses to call us Pacific Islanders, or they've been living with other Pacific Islanders so long that they don't realize our culture has Asian roots.
"Only Asians shop at supermarkets". Implying Filipinos and Pacific Islanders don't have supermarkets.
"Taiwan/Japan was never colonized by America so they can't be Pacific Islanders". They love to ignore Melanesians (Black Islanders) were never colonized.
"Taiwan/Japan are too white/too Chinese to be Pacific Islanders". They think that ALL Filipinos should have dark skin and sometimes curly hair/wide noses. They also love to talk about colorism being bad, but if you noticed what I said, they like micromanaging other Filipinos' skin colors.
Some also go as far to say as we're Black (Because of the Aeta). There was one guy that said we were classified as "Negroid" "just like the Polynesians".
This guy also claimed Austronesians came from India (Because Indians are dark skinned).
There's a recent guy on here that's also claiming we Filipinos are under the label of "Micronesian". We have more Japanese minorities that have been living in the Philippines for centuries than the entire population of Micronesians btw. This guy is claiming ALL of our Filipino cultures are related to Pacific Islanders, therefore we are not Asian. He loves to ignore that Indonesians exist right next to us while Micronesia is 500 miles away and Polynesia is 5000 miles away (no exaggeration). He also loves to use "go have fun eating ramen/dim sum" and "go watch your kpop" as an insult while insisting that the Philippines government changed our "race" in 1967 (ASEAN). And he also claimed that because he is Filipino-American he "KNOWS BETTER" than most Filipinos living the Philippines about our own culture. I feel like this guy has never even lived in the Philippines before.
Apologies for the long comment, but these are just A FEW examples off the top of my head that I remember pro-Pacific Filipinos love to claim.
It just shows how charged the identity politics and race baiting is in America, so much that people are 'switching' identity - which is a very american thing to do lets face it.
@@joodeki yeah, while this guy may havve a list of claims that endorse his pacific heritage, its a real big insult to real Pacific Islanders, the way of life, the culture, the lived experiences etc etc. To Americans you can change ur name on the fly its not even a joke this is their reality so it makes sense that this is something a person who struggles with identity can immerse and hide themselves in. If your country doesnt fall into any of the 3 major Pasifika groupings then ur Asian or something else.
@@thvtsydneylyf3th077 I've also had Filipino Americans tell me they "know better/are more educated" because they believe America has a better education than the Philippines, but America doesn't even learn about the Philippines or the Pacific Islanders, and it's not even a mandatory study in college. Like, how the F can these Fil-Ams claim they know better than the people born in a country they weren't even born in? And it's not just insulting to Filipinos, but also to Pacific islanders.
They look down on both the Filipinos and Pacific Islanders because they think they have a better understanding of cultures they DO NOT EVEN PRACTICE. But they expect Pacific Islanders to happily accept them. It's so annoying.
Philippines being what it is had its native blood to start spread over 7000+ islands and 120+ dialects, our geographic location is advantageous to trade with the surrounding islands...think Borneo and Indonesia which are Islamic in majority, we became colonized under Spain longer than any country.
China also traded with us, America made us its commonwealth after WWII and we took refugees from Vietnam, Cambodia and people of Jewish desent during war times.
Technically, we are Islands in the Pacific and technically.We are part of the asian continent.
For pole take reasons I hear my social circles claim Asian.
To my understanding. Pac islands are Samoa, Figi, tonga, Hawaii, they have a different religious, cultural heritage.
The majority of Russia is in asia but you don't hear them calling themselves Asians.
When in doubt ask how the person identifies.
ASK for real real Pacific Islanders if they think Filipinos are Pacific Islander and they'll say, "No, Filipinos are not Pacific Islander."
Yeah, they hate when Filipinos identity as Pacific Islanders from my experience …heard they all look at Filipinos as Asians and hate going to the pacific Island festivals because they re mostly dominated by Filipinos (Asians) can’t blame them…
LIES. Phillipinos can identify as Pacific Islanders. They come from an Island in the Pacific.
@DeepVerma728 no they can't get used to it
I know, these ppl never interview an ACTUAL islander who for one can and WILL tell you what is and isnt an islander, instead of asking more confused people lol You can be an island in the pacific like Japan, but that can never make you a Pacific Islander. Its an insult to real people of the Pacific to see some charlatan claiming their ID. America really destroys weak minds.
We are ASIAN
To my fellow Filipino-American brothers and sisters, don't let others define you; don't let the narrative define who you are; and be proud of where you are rooted and embrace who you are. Learn more about your roots and appreciate your heritage. We support each other, stand in solidarity with one another, and don't let them tell you other wise, and you have the right to defend the clear evidence.
To any Pacific Islanders watching this, I would like to apologize for the remarks our fellow Filipino-American siblings made. We love them, but they are just too detached from their culture and heritage after being exposed to the western mindset for so long. We mean no disrespect; we are very clear in our identities that we are Asians. This is a matter of our heritage that we never take lightly. We may never understand the plight of our fellow Filipino-American brothers and sisters, but we are trying to understand that it may have been too difficult for them to truly know who they are
As a Polynesian / Melanesian from The Bay, I noticed many Filipino PPL (women too) claim “Pacific Islander” to avoid “The Asian” stereotypes. I would also noticed them bullying or poking fun of other Asian groups. Projecting much? This also goes for Indians who lived in Fiji, claiming “Fijian”. I understand nationally might play a part in your narrative but y’all better REP YOUR ANCESTORS like we rep ours. So stop erasing us or blurring the lines. I wish we can just identify as Oceania or Pasifika and give y’all “Pacific Islander”.
Btw there are indigenous Filipino peoples called "negritos" who are very closely related to Oceanian people. In their case, the racial definitions are actually blurred. I don't think Filipinos in general should call themselves Pacific Islanders, but there are specific indigenous groups that are genuinely VERY close to PI.
We are ASIAN
To my fellow Filipino-American brothers and sisters, don't let others define you; don't let the narrative define who you are; and be proud of where you are rooted and embrace who you are. Learn more about your roots and appreciate your heritage. We support each other, stand in solidarity with one another, and don't let them tell you other wise, and you have the right to defend the clear evidence.
To any Pacific Islanders watching this, I would like to apologize for the remarks our fellow Filipino-American siblings made. We love them, but they are just too detached from their culture and heritage after being exposed to the western mindset for so long. We mean no disrespect; we are very clear in our identities that we are Asians. This is a matter of our heritage that we never take lightly. We may never understand the plight of our fellow Filipino-American brothers and sisters, but we are trying to understand that it may have been too difficult for them to truly know who they are
filipino who said they are pacific islanders are not real filipino end of story
Fun fact, in the Philippines we use our Chinese-derived honorifics freely without restriction such as 'kuya' meaning big brother. But in Thailand, to use 'hia' (their version of big brother) you have to look Chinese to use it and the person whom you're addressing it to also has to look Chinese
In the Philippines, We are Asians. The Pacific Islander/Asian is only a problem in the US.
Definitely a Western Filipino problem. Filipinos are simply Asian with multiple mixed blood due to Historical events.
We are halo halo!
Most ppl don't even know about the Aetas. There were also negrito ppl in Malaysia, Thailand & even Taiwan. They're similar to the aborigines of Australia & Papau New Guinea.
still makes filos Asian. That will never change. Just own it. its ok to be an asian.
As a Filipino, I am an Asian.
The first inhabitants of the Philippines are the Aetas. Some of the islands are then settled by Austronesian mariners and other seafaring peoples. Malays and Indons also settled the Islands. Then came the traders who stayed like the Chinese, Japanese, Arabs, Indians, and some other nationalities, and even, believe it or not, Mexicans and south american natives. Then the colonizers like Spain came, and the Americans (who are of course Europeans by ancestry) which also added to the mix. You can probably say that the Philippines is a country of the world. Everyone is here and everybody is welcome.
Pacific Islander is a US thing….we never heard nor identified as Pacific Isladers when we were growing up , private or public schools until we lived in the US and started filling out paperwork in the US lol
You Nailed it. Its all of the above if i could check all the boxes i would. I am of mixed heritage mainland chinese from my moms side filipino on my dads from pangasinan. Mixed n lovin it reppin san diego bay 💗🇨🇳🇵🇭
Hawaiian Born & Raised Filipinos Are The Most Confused ... Alot Of Filipino Men And Woman Both Need 2 Stop Acting Hawaiian It Is Embarassing They All Need To Be Proud Of Their Own Culture ... We As Filipinos Have So Much To Be Proud Of As A People ... We Are A Much Larger Population Than Any Polynesian Ethnicity By Far ... Most Polynesians Are Just A Few Thousand Our People Are Over 100 Million Strong 💪 🇵🇭
I noticed that 90% of pacific islander wannabe filams are from west coast especially hawaii and california; they are notorious for anti chinese sentiment and twisting filipino history and culture
Bro, none of them even understand that the Philippines have almost as many pure-Chinese living in the Philippines as there are Pacific Islanders in the world. (1.8 million pure-Chinese Filipinos vs 2.3 million Pacific Islanders).
And like s2oop said, they are anti-Chinese.
I've debated with many of them throughout many different videos and they say things like.
"Taiwanese/Japanese are too Chinese/too white to be Pacific Islanders" (Uh, 28 million+ Filipinos consider themselves Chinese-mixed, especially the light-skinned ones)
"Real Filipinos have dark skin and curly hair" (they're trying to be black, too)
"Filipinos are from India" (Again, skin color)
@@kimmyDaYang ? I was born in Bicol. I lived there...
I noticed some Filipinos have curly but not that common but the most common hair type of Filipinos that I've seen is straight and wavy hair and dark skin is not that common
@itsdianne443 I wasn't generalizing, I was talking about how Filipino-Americans that think they are Pacific Islanders generalize the people in the Philippines as ONLY dark skinned or how some of them think the "real" Filipinos have curly hair. They also assume the Philippines never had Chinese influence, so they say things like "Japan is too Chinese to be Pacific Islanders", ignoring the fact that we have the first Chinatown in the world or that pancit and lumpia have Chinese origins.
Again, I'm not generalizing, I was quoting anti-Asian Filipinos that think they are pure Pacific Islander. And I was giving examples of things they ignored.
Edit: What did I even say for you to assume I was generalizing?
When I moved to sac I went to school with alot of Philippines and yes they claim to not be asian but just Filipinos.
much better than paciifc isalnder
What?..We are soooo asian.. even the cultural stuff are just hispanized versions of our asian heritage like fiestas but with precolonial asian wear, anting anting but with christian symbols, devotion to religion, family relations, chinese way of cooking and honorifics, even the colonial architecture was more similar to our asian neighbors. There weren't as much reports of trade between the pacific islands apart from colonization since they lived hella..FAR from the Philippines. Austronesian genetics and some of the culture and the tropical island setting are the only things we share with them.. and even with that our culture is much more similar to precolonial Indonesia and Malaysia.
The Philippines is the melting pot of Asia. My father is a Philippine born Japanese (Southern Baptist raised). My mother who was born and raised in the Philippines is Han Chinese by decent (and Roman Catholic). Filipinos are Asian. The Pacific Islander thing is more of an American census. Example my cousin applied for college. She marked Asian and she wasn't accepted. She marked Pacific Islander on the 2nd application to the same college and got in. This was in 2000. I guess Japanese Americans can mark down Pacific Islander too? Japan is a group of islands in the Pacific Ocean in the Asian continent.
@@chewy6487 Actually there are 3 groupings of Pacific Island regions since you brought it up. Australia, Philippine archipelagoes, Japanese archipelagoes, Ryukyu (Okinawa) & Indonesia is not part of the regions.
I am a half Filipino half European American who was born and raised in the United States. I have been to the Philippines two times in my life to visit my relatives, and I have always regarded myself as an Asian American. Plus, through a DNA test I took, the majority of my Asian ancestry comes from Indonesia, Malaysia, and the Philippines, with some also from Myanmar. While the rest of my Asian ancestry comes from Japan, Korea, Bangladesh, Nepal, and Afghanistan. This makes sense to me since we Filipinos have always identified ourselves as being related to Indonesians and Malaysians, and the fact that the Philippines received Hindu and Buddhist influences from India in things like the Laguna Copperplate Inscription and Baybayin, ancient Hindu and Buddhist artifacts from the Philippines, Tagalog loanwords from Sanskrit as Fung Bros stateded, as well as Japanese influence in the Philippines like Tagalog loanwords from Japanese as Fung Bros stated, Japanese pottery found in the Philippines from over 400 years ago, Japanese immigrants who immigrated to the Philippines as depicted in the Boxer Codex, Kakigori being the predecessor to Halo Halo, Odong noodles being descended from Udon noodles, means that we Filipinos are 100% Asian. Always have been, always will be.
• In terms of geographical location, the Philippines is located on the eastern edge of Asia and still belongs to Asia, although it is very close to the Pacific Islands.
• In terms of culture and lifestyle, the Philippines does not fully embody the identity of Asia (specifically East Asia), for the following reasons:
The dominant religion is Christianity, which is of Western origin.
The culture and lifestyle (including attitudes and gestures) are very similar to those of Westerners (even their surnames are derived from Western sources).
The majority of the population is fluent in at least one Western language.
The standard of female beauty aligns more with Western ideals than with East Asian traits (such as curvy and thick body types).
but not pacific islanders
I am a half Filipino half European American who was born and raised in the United States. I have been to the Philippines two times in my life to visit my relatives, and I have always regarded myself as an Asian American. Plus, through a DNA test I took, the majority of my Asian ancestry comes from Indonesia, Malaysia, and the Philippines, with some also from Myanmar. While the rest of my Asian ancestry comes from Japan, Korea, Bangladesh, Nepal, and Afghanistan. This makes sense to me since we Filipinos have always identified ourselves as being related to Indonesians and Malaysians, and the fact that the Philippines received Hindu and Buddhist influences from India in things like the Laguna Copperplate Inscription and Baybayin, ancient Hindu and Buddhist artifacts from the Philippines, Tagalog loanwords from Sanskrit as Fung Bros stateded, as well as Japanese influence in the Philippines like Tagalog loanwords from Japanese as Fung Bros stated, Japanese pottery found in the Philippines from over 400 years ago, Japanese immigrants who immigrated to the Philippines as depicted in the Boxer Codex, Kakigori being the predecessor to Halo Halo, Odong noodles being descended from Udon noodles, means that we Filipinos are 100% Asian. Always have been, always will be.
I hope your father was the filipino.
Does it really matter? @@timothyfreeman97
@user-jt3dw6vv4x yeah, brah. Sick of all these howley gwai lo farangs preying on our women!
Stop selling out, titas!
Most of us are of Mixed Malay ... myself being Chinese-Spanish-Malay descent. But i like to call Filipinos as LaChinos because of Spanish and Asian influences.
"Mixed Malay " is just a misconception. The majority of Filipinos are Austronesians who migrated to the Philippines about 4000 years ago from Taiwan and coastal regions of Southern China. Malays on the other hand are genetically Austroasiatic from mainland South East Asia who underwent a language-shift to Austronesian after contact with Austronesians about 3000 years ago. Unless you perform a genetic test with companies like 23andMe and confirm it, then you are not likely of Malay descent. I for one have done a genetic test with 23andMe and have 93% Filipino and the rest are Spanish, Dutch, African, Chinese (Mainland) , Chinese (Taiwan) and Vietnamese. Zero Malay genes.
Another lazy comparison not unlike "Mexicans of Asia"
Ain’t nothing wrong with being Asian. I’m Tongan. I feel like a lot of Fil ams claim poly as a safety net
It definitely is a safety net, but lately it's because they actually believe that being brown in color makes them closer to Pacific Islander than Asian. They don't realize that in the Philippines, we literally have millions of light-skinned Filipinos, our national hero is 1/3 Chinese, a lot of our food originated from China and have a lot of similarity with Southeast Asian cuisine, our bamboo dance culture has similarities with other Asian cultures, including minorities in India, our writing system was based on India's system, etc etc etc.
Filipino-Americans that have never grown up in the Philippines/Asia are basically ignoring our culture that our ancestors kept intact even through colonization in favor or identifying themselves as "brown". Some even claim REAL Filipinos are Black, not kidding.
If you read some comments, you'll even see some of them claim Indonesians and Malaysians are Pacific Islanders. Imagine being a REAL Pacific Islander and being told that your people of 2 million global is only 0.5% of the Pacific Islander population, and most of the "Pacific Islanders" are in Southeast Asia, all 500m+.
@@joodekihave you seen how brown Thai, Laos, Cambodian, Indonesian, basically southeast Asian people are? Bro y’all Filipino look more like us Southeast Asian compared to Pacific Islanders.
@@thyphanhmaha Bro, I never said we were not Asian and I definitely never said we were Pacific Islander... Literally, just like Malaysia and other Southeast Asian countries, we do have a large population of Chinese-Filipino natives that tend to have lighter skin.... Hokkien (Chinese) is large part of Filipino culture, so much so that our national hero (Tagalog/Hokkien/Spanish mix) could trace his family lineage to Fujian, China. And Hokkien is the 2nd biggest contributor of words/food/tradtions/etc to our local culture, under Spanish.
Edit: Oh, and by native, I mean they've been in the Philippines since before the Spanish/Europeans arrived.
Edit: And as for "brown", that was my point, Filipino-Americans are using the skin color brown to claim ALL Southeast Asians as Pacific Islander and not Asian because they refuse to believe that us Southeast Asians are part of the "Asian" culture, again, because Pacific Islanders are "brown" to them.
I bet all the Filipinos that check Pacific Islanders ,are a 100% born and raised in North America. Because being pacific islands sounds “cooler and is different“
Anthony O Campo has good point too
Well who wants to tell their date their asian?
@thvtsydneylyf3th077 you pacific islanders are all fatties the amount of amwf relationships I've seen thanks to kpop/kdramas no non pacific islander girl will date y'all obese coconuts
@@thetruth7466Nobody wants asians. You and black women are always the least desired. Cope. Try and grow an entire foot taller and grow a few inches on your d1ck
@@thetruth7466Your women would take the ugliest white male known to man over you lol
@@thetruth7466You have to resort to seeking out white women that have yellow fever for validation lmao all 5 of them
you know what is funny? thai cambodian burmese malay even some vietnamese will say filipinos look like them. but when you show them pacific islanders especially samoan they will say they are completely differnt
People in Philippines without any question consider themselves in Asia and are Asian…. South East Asian if you want to be precise.
do you think people in Asia usually identify themselves as Asian? they can be from Asian, or from south east Asian, but if you ask someone from Asia, they would say they are chinese, japanese, vietnamese, korean, etc i dont think many "Asians" calls themsevles Asian in Asia
yep. agree. we just identify as our ethnic group
@@cambodianpleasuresquad1753 more likely nationality than ethnicity since Indonesian always say they are Indonesian first, not their ethnicity (Javanese, Sundanese, Balinese, Batak, Minang, Buginese).
I'm Southeast Asian and I consider myself Asian. But people have mistaken me for Samoan, Native American or Filipino. I'm Lao. Lol!
So are you Chinese or Japanese?
@@friedchicken4735 I'm definitely not a Fried Chicken like yourself. I'm a Martian.
@@friedchicken4735 he is korean😜
Lol filipinps look nothing like samoans
@@steveboy7302 I didn't say Filipinos look like Samoans, I said I got mistaken for being Samoans. I know reading is hard for some people these days but you might want to read my original comment before replying. 😂
When I first came here to the U.S. more than ten years ago. I was so shocked one day, when I overheard a fil-am young man answer this exact question that we were Pacific Islander. 😂I don’t even know where they got that idea from - just because we’re a country made up of islands in the pacific? At that time, I found out how widespread was the idea among fil-ams here in the U.S., who has never been educated in our history or origins. No one in the Philippines even ever considered that argument that we are Pacific Islanders. Nor, has it ever been taught in schools that we were. People in the Philippines have always considered ourselves South East Asians of the island nation, the Philippines.
yes. we real filipinos know who we are. those filam are embrasment
This interesting. I’m Latino/Hispanic American and my family comes from the Dominican Republic. I always found that Filipinos have a lot in common with Latinos/Hispanics especially with their culture and predominant religion Catholicism.
Filipinos have nothing in common with Latinos, apart from being invaded by Spaniards and having Catholic religion and Spanish names FORCED on them. Filipinos have way more in common with other Southeast Asians. I would know..I am Southeast Asian. They have more in common with Indonesians (physical appearance, overall linguistics, island atmosphere of our nations, etc). Filipinos are also HEAVILY influenced by Chinese culture...a majority of Filipinos have Chinese blood..and Malay ancestry. There are also many Koreans and Japanese living in the Philippines and many Filipinos watch K-dramas every day of their lives. So it really is a country that is full of many different influences. There are also almost like 200 languages spoken and many tribal and other ethnic groups in the Philippines. None of the culture has anything to do whatsoever with Latinos. Philippines is close to Indonesia, Malaysia, Taiwan, and Japan. That makes it in Asia and a world away from Latin culture. Just an FYI.
@@ElizabethChee-rj7bn I agree with you 100%! I am a half Filipino half European American who was born and raised in the United States. I have been to the Philippines two times in my life to visit my relatives, and I have always regarded myself as an Asian American. Plus, through a DNA test I took, the majority of my Asian ancestry comes from Indonesia, Malaysia, and the Philippines, with some also from Myanmar. While the rest of my Asian ancestry comes from Japan, Korea, Bangladesh, Nepal, and Afghanistan. This makes sense to me since we Filipinos have always identified ourselves as being related to Indonesians and Malaysians, and the fact that the Philippines received Hindu and Buddhist influences from India in things like the Laguna Copperplate Inscription and Baybayin, ancient Hindu and Buddhist artifacts from the Philippines, Tagalog loanwords from Sanskrit as Fung Bros stateded, as well as Japanese influence in the Philippines like Tagalog loanwords from Japanese as Fung Bros stated, Japanese pottery found in the Philippines from over 400 years ago, Japanese immigrants who immigrated to the Philippines as depicted in the Boxer Codex, Kakigori being the predecessor to Halo Halo, Odong noodles being descended from Udon noodles, means that we Filipinos are 100% Asian. Always have been, always will be.
Not everybody in the Philippines is Catholic. Some Filipinos are Muslim (6% of the Philippine population) and Buddhist and Hindu. Get your facts straight!
@@gregorypetty6887get the facts straight that most of them are Catholic
Filipinos has way more in common with Indonesian and Malaysian . The thing is there aren't alot of Malaysian and Indonesian in the US.
Filipinos are Filipinos and are southeast Asians. I don’t see what all this questioning is about. They look like Malaysians and other groups. Filipinos are not Pacific Islanders. Stop all this silliness.
East Coast Filipino - "I'm Asian"
Hawaiian, Guam and West Coast Filipino - "I'm Pacific Islander"
seems west coast upto guam are mrons
I think most of the Phenomenon of Pacific Islander identity of Filipino-Americans also stem from Filipinos during the American Times in the Philippines, who Immigrated to many Pacific Islands that was also fully or partially controlled by the United States thru US Policy of Repopulation of Pacific Islands which also followed the Spanish Policy earlier during the Spanish Times via Manila-Acapulco Galleon Trade. And these Multigenerational Migration of Filipinos that’s considered then as American Citizens, somehow identified and created an Identity of where they resides and their next generations tends to be identified themselves as such when they moved into the Mainland United States, with already the Pacific Islander Identity built into them. These things aren’t applicable to Filipinos that came to America directly from the Philippines, and to those First Generation Filipino Immigrants to Pacific Islands whose further moved to US Mainland and just used the Pacific Islands as stepping stone, majority of them already received their American Citizenship in the US Pacific Islands before going to US Mainland.
Filipino is south east asian ❤
Im a filipino from the southern Philippines and I identify myself more of a hispanic. Why? Religion, Fiesta, spanish way of discipline and msny to mention.
much better than pacific islanders
I just say I'm Filipino and identify as Filipino. I only say im Asian when someone finds out I'm from the Philippines and they say "oh you're Asian"
Nah, Asians aren't even remotely in that category. *Native Hawaiian, Samoan, Guamanian or Chamorro, Fijian, Tongan, or Marshallese* people in that category will be called Pacific Islander.
If the Philippines did not fall from grace (being top 2-3 richest country in asia a long time ago) i bet their answer would be different. 😂 The Philippines is purely of malay race and some with a sprinkle of colonizers, and people we traded with. Pacific islanders did not "just appear" they either came from asia , americas or austrailia , but if we follow the journey of man .......they came from asia.
Im Filipino. Just fucking look at the history of the Philippines so that anyone can learn about it and discover about it
Bro, I've been telling Fil-Ams about our shared history, culture, languages, food, and even pre-Christian religion with other Asians, but they don't want to listen. Half of them are just anti-Chinese and all they really want to say is that Filipino are not Chinese/Japanese. ie Filipinos are not East Asian. THAT'S IT. Like if they said that, people would understand them easy. But, they want to take it an extra step and claim we're closer to Samoans genetically than Southeast Asians. BRUH.
I even got called "Asian boy" as an insult because I told the guy we eat rice and noodles like other Asians. Some people out there really just want to live in delululand.
Edit: Fun fact, Central Luzon was part of the Ming Dynasty up until the Spanish arrived. The Caboloans controlled Central Luzon and they were Chinese-Muslims that served the Ming Emperor, they took over the Manila fort at the Battle of Manila. After being defeated, they then became part of the Spanish Empire and subsequently also became "Filipino", along with the Tagalog, Hokkien, Visayans, etc, everyone except the Mindanaons, really.