@@AxelZephyr pedntic, but she needs 1% lol. 23% base + 11.8% imprints + 15% light advantage + 50% crit buff = 99.8%. Or 50% in e7 language, as we all know.
@@Shiki0414 Yes. And apart from Ashimriat's point, he needs to be 73 speeds higher than Laika (75 to be safe) because Laika will have Speed Buff at boss phase.
I had no idea that infinity basket worked for ALL dual attacks. I thought it was just when the caster procc'd one. Genius strat to use that no other character before could really utilize (Laika is the first ranger with a consistent dual attack, better than Cerise's)
I believe it's still only on her turn (as shown on the difference in CLorina's damage between Singe and Laika). It just seem that way because CLorina's Attack Stat increases per attack. But at least Infinity Basket gets some use now lol
You could try Laika at 197 speed. So even if Laika loses the CR RNG to Singelica, the huge CR gap created by Furious should allow Laika to eventually lap Singelica and correct the turn order.
You need to make sure that furious could outspeed laika with speed buff (30% extra speed), so if laika has 200 as base speed with buff it should be 260 and to make sure that the game don't rng you must have like 270 speed on furious. Otherwise, if your furious max speed is like 250 (lets say 240 for rng) then you divide this bettwen 1.3 and the result is like 185, then laika must be slower than this (and singelica mus be slower than her, sice laika needs that buff speed for phase 2)
is it viable one shot team comp, Singelica - camilla - clorina - furious ? those are the units that i just have just want to confirm if that would be usable.
I had try this before and it didn't really worked as I expected it. If you make CLorina go first and killed the fist boss, you lose the attack buff on CLorina. If you turn off Camila skill and just use s1, she lose attack buff after the first boss. Camilla need attack buff to dual attack. Camilia had to go first and kill the first boss. Since she need kill with Flower Showers arti to keep an attack buff and dual attack next turn. Even with good rage pen set I still stuggle to kill the first boss with Camilia. I mean it is technically worked, but I wouldn't recommend this team to anyone
Is pen set a must have on lorina? My lorina is on 4550 atk + 320cdmg on rage + would be 266 SPD furious enough? I just cant get higher xD Last question: isnt rosa hargana better? Dual atks not on Laikas turn + 30% atk buff so with sangie even more dmg or am i missing smthing?
- For Pen set, yes it's a must have for Lorina with this setup. If Maphe Damage calculator serves me right, your CLorina will deal around 63k-67k Damage per S1 if without Pen set, leaving around 30k-ish HP remaining on the boss. - Yeah I think 266 speed can still be feasible as well. Just give Laika around 197 speed and then 189 for Singelica. So even if they lose the CR RNG to each other, or to the Wave 1 or Boss, the huge CR gap the Wave 1 and Furious created will still allow them to correct their turn order. - I believe Rosa Hargana's perks only work for the Rosa Hargana wielder.
their is actually, you just decreased speed of your singie and laika, on this vid, laika has 202 speed, decrease it at 195 while singie at 185 so it never overlap on furios speed
You could probably try Laika at 197 speed then Singelica at 190, with Furious at 268. With this, even if Laika lost the Speed RNG to Singe, she could eventually lap Singe due to huge CR headroom created by the elite mob in wave 1, then by Furious at boss phase.
It can still win so long as Laika lands Target even after SoS failed. But if both Target debuffs from Laika and Furious failed to land, the run will fail since CLorina has accumulated too much Danger Levels and gets killed by the boss and mobs.
You lose a 2nd chance to inflict Target debuff on the boss and Attack Buff. But if going for KClarissa then might as well replace Singe with Camilla for the Attack Buff at least. BillLe0101 has a sample vid for it: th-cam.com/video/tEOQGpkA7tQ/w-d-xo.html
270 should be able to outspeed first wave consistently but it's so close that any slower will probably lose to speed rng. You can try other arti's like War Horn but the cleanse is important if the counter stuns Furious before Laika get the imm buff in place.
Lorina can go as low as 110 Speed, but with this speed the Wave 1 Elite mob will get another turn to attack before she can kill it. This allows for a very low chance that CLorina gets killed from 2 crits from Wave 1 Elite mob - which you don't want to happen lol. I think there's not much to lower on CLorina since the total damage with this setup already amounted to 228,729, which is only around 2k HP overkill. Doctor's Bag can be replaced with +30 Wondrous Potion Vial so CLorina will be cleansed in case the elite mob stunned her before Laika can put Immu on her.
@@AxelZephyr Bro, thank you for info! The main thing seems to be that Furious needs to land both Def break and Target debuff on BOTH bosses. Anyway.... Happy new year, i wish you all the best! :)
@@NestroSento You're welcome :). Actually with CLorina's gears in this vid, she has enough power to kill wave 1 with her S3 even without Target if I switched her Skills on XD. I just turned it off for a bit faster run. Def Break, however, needs to land on both bosses.
I think 275 is the safe spot for him, considering Laika's speed at 202 (which is 11 speed gap from Singe who is also 11 speed gap from the Boss). Plus, he outspeeds Wave 1
Well yes if you using Sinangelica. Since Laika gain like 30% spd boost she like 260 spd after the first mini boss. If you don't want to use singelica, you could just use kittty so the speed is lower like me
For anyone curious, Bellona is the best replacement I could find. You do have to get Lorina to have crit hit chance though to replace the buff, which sucks.
@@shinichikudoz I mean, you don't even need crit for Lorina in this team. Crit buff + self imprint + furious imprint + elemental advantage + 23% base crit, that's more than 100% crit without considering gear
@@madmorli5927 Indeed. the focus will just be on getting 24% Average CDmg per piece other than Necklace, then around 17% Atk on Weapon, Helm and Necklace. Not to mention the Flat Atk substats on the other applicable pieces. She needs to meet the minimum 127 speed tho lol
@@demacry Well, she can actually go lower than 127, it's just the minimum safe speed so the Wave 1 doesn't lap her (there's a very small chance she could die from 2 full crit hits if for some stupid reason the Wave 1 elite aimed all attacks on her from every turn it gets). But I suppose I can include it lol
Few questions. 1. If Clorina doesn't have the stats you mentioned in description , will she not have enough damage to one shot? 2. It seems like during the boss stage, clorina dual attacked with laika's S2, but that's not guaranteed is it?
1. Yes, unfortunately. She overkilled it by around 2k damage only so there's almost nothing much to lower (she doesn't require any Crit Rate rolls at all with this setup tho). I do have another comp which significantly lowers her stat requirements, but requires Straze and Elph :( th-cam.com/video/MZtmd149Gmw/w-d-xo.html 2. It's guaranteed since CLorina is the unit with the highest attack.
@@Untouchable5461 Aside for a bit faster run, when I first tried this comp I had her skills turned off and noticed that the wave 1 died with just S1 so I didn't really bother turning it back on lol. But yeah S3 will do more damage and actually kills wave 1 even without Target Debuff.
Elphelt, I guess. But that's a liimited collab unit with some pvp use vs. a free PvE hero you don't really need to replace him. you get him for free from the connection quest and you don't need to 6 star him for this hunt. I believe he only needs 5 mola for this too; one in S2, 3 in S3. Low investment all around, especially for the hardest hunt.
![[Epic Seven] Caides 13 Fast Run with Commander Lorina](/img/n.gif)
with these setups, lorina will only require 35% crit rate and you can already go all out investing on atk and crit dam on her. nice!
Actually, with her self-imprint and Furious shared imprint, she won't need Crit Rate rolls on a Rage-Pen set at all :)
@@AxelZephyr pedntic, but she needs 1% lol. 23% base + 11.8% imprints + 15% light advantage + 50% crit buff = 99.8%.
Or 50% in e7 language, as we all know.
@@raze2012_ Makes sense. Better have a lesser grade Crit Mod Gem ready for dem no-crit rate Rage Pen gears lmao
+12.6% Furious imprint release = 112%
@@megavivi4242 Oh yeah, how in the world did I forget this when I actually considered his imprints at the earlier post lmao!
Yes a team that i can make in a day. TY so much I can finally farm caides
Holy thank you. Now I can work on a caides team. Never did before coz no straze or elphelt. And thanks for showing stats!
You're welcome :)
One question though, does Furious need to be that fast?
@@Shiki0414 He does in order to lap Lorina on first wave and recharge S2 for Caides
@@Shiki0414 Yes. And apart from Ashimriat's point, he needs to be 73 speeds higher than Laika (75 to be safe) because Laika will have Speed Buff at boss phase.
@@ashimriat1964 I see thanks.
I had no idea that infinity basket worked for ALL dual attacks. I thought it was just when the caster procc'd one.
Genius strat to use that no other character before could really utilize (Laika is the first ranger with a consistent dual attack, better than Cerise's)
I believe it's still only on her turn (as shown on the difference in CLorina's damage between Singe and Laika). It just seem that way because CLorina's Attack Stat increases per attack. But at least Infinity Basket gets some use now lol
Good stuff man.
Thank you! :)
My Laika (202 speed) keeps outspeeding my Furious (276 speed) on wave 2, any other way to adjust the speeds other than increasing Furious speed?
You could try Laika at 197 speed. So even if Laika loses the CR RNG to Singelica, the huge CR gap created by Furious should allow Laika to eventually lap Singelica and correct the turn order.
@@AxelZephyr ok, will try that, thank you
Holy shit... Thanks for this!
What is the minimum SPD on Furious for that team to work? 275 is out of my reach
You need to make sure that furious could outspeed laika with speed buff (30% extra speed), so if laika has 200 as base speed with buff it should be 260 and to make sure that the game don't rng you must have like 270 speed on furious.
Otherwise, if your furious max speed is like 250 (lets say 240 for rng) then you divide this bettwen 1.3 and the result is like 185, then laika must be slower than this (and singelica mus be slower than her, sice laika needs that buff speed for phase 2)
can you do a video on her in water expedition?
Got the heroes but lack of gears damn
What should be atleast Lorina's speed inorder not to be outsped in the first wave?
So far she's been safe with the 127 speed I've set on her. But just to be entirely safe I'd recommend around 130-135.
Wait.. Whats ssb stats?
can i use rage set and crit chance set for lorina instead pen set with rage?
Hi. She'll most likely need Pen set with this setup.
The gears I had on her in this vid overkilled the boss with only around 2k HP
Is there any replacement for singelica?
You could try Camilla with Flower Shower arti. She'll need to be the one to kill the wave 1 elite mob for this.
This worked well for me. Thanks for sharing.
does this work with cermia?
I have a 220 Singelica, what should the others speed gonna be?
Oh well I can reduce Singie speed for this one I guess
Laika just 11+ speeds faster than Singe, but Furious probably at 315+ XD
where's the 1 shot?
is it viable one shot team comp, Singelica - camilla - clorina - furious ? those are the units that i just have just want to confirm if that would be usable.
I had try this before and it didn't really worked as I expected it. If you make CLorina go first and killed the fist boss, you lose the attack buff on CLorina.
If you turn off Camila skill and just use s1, she lose attack buff after the first boss. Camilla need attack buff to dual attack.
Camilia had to go first and kill the first boss. Since she need kill with Flower Showers arti to keep an attack buff and dual attack next turn. Even with good rage pen set I still stuggle to kill the first boss with Camilia.
I mean it is technically worked, but I wouldn't recommend this team to anyone
@@BillLe0101 oh okay thanks so i think it would be much easier if i have commander laika hmmm. Man if only have straze and wschuri
Is pen set a must have on lorina? My lorina is on 4550 atk + 320cdmg on rage
+ would be 266 SPD furious enough? I just cant get higher xD
Last question: isnt rosa hargana better? Dual atks not on Laikas turn + 30% atk buff so with sangie even more dmg or am i missing smthing?
- For Pen set, yes it's a must have for Lorina with this setup. If Maphe Damage calculator serves me right, your CLorina will deal around 63k-67k Damage per S1 if without Pen set, leaving around 30k-ish HP remaining on the boss.
- Yeah I think 266 speed can still be feasible as well. Just give Laika around 197 speed and then 189 for Singelica. So even if they lose the CR RNG to each other, or to the Wave 1 or Boss, the huge CR gap the Wave 1 and Furious created will still allow them to correct their turn order.
- I believe Rosa Hargana's perks only work for the Rosa Hargana wielder.
my furious has 30 more eff than yurs but keeps missing debuffs. Is this a rng fest?
Yes. There's this hidden 15% Absolute Resistance to screw anyone over no matter how high the Eff% is
Is there any other way? Even with my best speed gear furios only reaches 268 speed -.-
their is actually, you just decreased speed of your singie and laika, on this vid, laika has 202 speed, decrease it at 195 while singie at 185 so it never overlap on furios speed
You could probably try Laika at 197 speed then Singelica at 190, with Furious at 268. With this, even if Laika lost the Speed RNG to Singe, she could eventually lap Singe due to huge CR headroom created by the elite mob in wave 1, then by Furious at boss phase.
Can this team still win if Song of Star failed on boss?
It can still win so long as Laika lands Target even after SoS failed. But if both Target debuffs from Laika and Furious failed to land, the run will fail since CLorina has accumulated too much Danger Levels and gets killed by the boss and mobs.
Question: does sinful angie need to be on doctors bag, or can any other artifact work
Singe needs to be on cleansing artis like +30 Wondrous Potion Vial or Doctor's Bag to cleanse CLorina in case she gets stunned by the Wave 1 elite.
Whats difference if you put kitty clarissa instead of laika ?
Clorina won't have attck buff for wave 2 coz singie's 2 turn buff will expire after wave 1 ends
You lose a 2nd chance to inflict Target debuff on the boss and Attack Buff. But if going for KClarissa then might as well replace Singe with Camilla for the Attack Buff at least.
BillLe0101 has a sample vid for it: th-cam.com/video/tEOQGpkA7tQ/w-d-xo.html
This man posted a 275 furious XD
What would be the lowest spd for Furious and dmg for Lorina? Thank You!
Edit: Also, can you recommend some other arti instead of Doctor's Bag?
270 should be able to outspeed first wave consistently but it's so close that any slower will probably lose to speed rng. You can try other arti's like War Horn but the cleanse is important if the counter stuns Furious before Laika get the imm buff in place.
Lorina can go as low as 110 Speed, but with this speed the Wave 1 Elite mob will get another turn to attack before she can kill it. This allows for a very low chance that CLorina gets killed from 2 crits from Wave 1 Elite mob - which you don't want to happen lol.
I think there's not much to lower on CLorina since the total damage with this setup already amounted to 228,729, which is only around 2k HP overkill.
Doctor's Bag can be replaced with +30 Wondrous Potion Vial so CLorina will be cleansed in case the elite mob stunned her before Laika can put Immu on her.
@@AxelZephyr Bro, thank you for info! The main thing seems to be that Furious needs to land both Def break and Target debuff on BOTH bosses. Anyway.... Happy new year, i wish you all the best! :)
@@NestroSento You're welcome :). Actually with CLorina's gears in this vid, she has enough power to kill wave 1 with her S3 even without Target if I switched her Skills on XD. I just turned it off for a bit faster run.
Def Break, however, needs to land on both bosses.
How much speed does furious need minimum?
I think 275 is the safe spot for him, considering Laika's speed at 202 (which is 11 speed gap from Singe who is also 11 speed gap from the Boss).
Plus, he outspeeds Wave 1
Is there any char that could replace Angelica here?
for oneshot caides now : i think we just have 2 options
1. Elphelt ( the bezt )
2. angelica with the setup up there
are the speed necessary? i dont have that kind of speed t.t
Well yes if you using Sinangelica. Since Laika gain like 30% spd boost she like 260 spd after the first mini boss. If you don't want to use singelica, you could just use kittty so the speed is lower like me
Any replacements for furious?
I don't think anyone can replace him with this setup, sadly.
@@AxelZephyr damn. Alright, thanks for the head up man
For anyone curious, Bellona is the best replacement I could find. You do have to get Lorina to have crit hit chance though to replace the buff, which sucks.
Just a thought but is it possible to do this with ras instead of laika? Cause doesn’t ras also bring the unit with the highest att?
Nope aras gives def buff instead of attack buff
@@rioz6967 he gives immunity with S2, not def buff... def buff is his S3
@@DimkaTsv you misunderstood his message.
Ras doesn't give attack buff while laika does
@@shizuhiku7380 he doesn't
But he also doesn't give def buff with S2, but immunity. Even if his message is generally right, he said wrong thing.
@@DimkaTsv wtf are you smoking
A.Ras DOES NOT give attack buff. Only IMMUNITY and DEF UP
Please check before you type
LAIKA can decrease time to run Caides 13 ? For fast team not one shot time?
I'm not sure for non-oneshot comps unfortunately, since I've never really farmed Caides 13 at all until I was able to oneshot it :(
Turn off Clorina skill for faster run?
Yes, just for this run lol.
275 furious required?
Not really. Furious speed can be lowered to 268 (and in turn calibrate Laika's speed to 197-198 so she won't outspeed Furious during boss phase)
can aras replace laika ?
no not for this team. Laika is here to give attack buff and target during caides phase 2
@@BillLe0101 hmm then atk buff i could use camila instead and have furious on song of star ?
@@quynguyenduy12 OK I forgot that just gonna remove the attack buff from Clorina again. You kinda need to build Camilla one rage like I did
does furious need to be +270 speed?
With this setup (and Laika's speed), yes because Laika will have Speed Buff at boss phase and end up outspeeding Furious.
Amazing team. That Lorina is quite achievable for most mid/late game player. Will you share this on reddit?
Look at the gears lol
@@shinichikudoz I mean, you don't even need crit for Lorina in this team. Crit buff + self imprint + furious imprint + elemental advantage + 23% base crit, that's more than 100% crit without considering gear
@@madmorli5927 Indeed. the focus will just be on getting 24% Average CDmg per piece other than Necklace, then around 17% Atk on Weapon, Helm and Necklace. Not to mention the Flat Atk substats on the other applicable pieces. She needs to meet the minimum 127 speed tho lol
@@AxelZephyr didnt realize the speed was a minimum, might want to include that in the description.
@@demacry Well, she can actually go lower than 127, it's just the minimum safe speed so the Wave 1 doesn't lap her (there's a very small chance she could die from 2 full crit hits if for some stupid reason the Wave 1 elite aimed all attacks on her from every turn it gets).
But I suppose I can include it lol
Few questions.
1. If Clorina doesn't have the stats you mentioned in description , will she not have enough damage to one shot?
2. It seems like during the boss stage, clorina dual attacked with laika's S2, but that's not guaranteed is it?
1. Yes, unfortunately. She overkilled it by around 2k damage only so there's almost nothing much to lower (she doesn't require any Crit Rate rolls at all with this setup tho). I do have another comp which significantly lowers her stat requirements, but requires Straze and Elph :(
th-cam.com/video/MZtmd149Gmw/w-d-xo.html
2. It's guaranteed since CLorina is the unit with the highest attack.
@@AxelZephyr how come you dont use s3 when its clorinas turn tho? Wouldn't that do more damage?
@@Untouchable5461 Aside for a bit faster run, when I first tried this comp I had her skills turned off and noticed that the wave 1 died with just S1 so I didn't really bother turning it back on lol.
But yeah S3 will do more damage and actually kills wave 1 even without Target Debuff.
Who can replace furious??
Furious is a connection hero though?
Elphelt, I guess. But that's a liimited collab unit with some pvp use vs. a free PvE hero
you don't really need to replace him. you get him for free from the connection quest and you don't need to 6 star him for this hunt. I believe he only needs 5 mola for this too; one in S2, 3 in S3. Low investment all around, especially for the hardest hunt.
Whats the minimum speed requirement here for furious? is it really 275?
I was fw with it till I saw 275 speed furious.
fast upload wew
Meanwhile my dumbass unit barrely touch 2k damage
Ydcb :)
Ahhh yeah. P2w gears. Lol
Tbh, the only tough one is 275 speed furious and u can reduce his and your team speed speed a bit if u can't reach that