Ok, I want to understand that sentiment. For me I assume that because jinx shoots a rocket at the council right when they declare peace means that the whole season one was developing her to become the ultimate agent of war, but I might be wrong. What's your interpretation of season 1?
@@maofoneshe’s going to become *more* than her destruction, her being the main bad guy kind of just proves that she was/always will be what she always feared “a jinx” her being the symbol, the leader of a rebellion would be read differently. She finally thinks “maybe I am more than just a jinx” If anything I think she will be on her own side in the end, but not “evil” Plus ambessa and Noxus has been built up to be the bad guy since she was introduced, we even see her soldiers fighting enforcers in the new trailer. It seems like piltover and Zaun will be forced to work together.
There's a unique dichotomy between Jinx's main themes. In season 1 it has all been about destruction and separation and with a lot of season 2 messaging she will be a builder and unifier. For Zaun especially, Jinx will be the Heimerdinger-esque founder for the nation and will definately be heralded in great respect.
Also do want to mention. Blowing up piltover wouldn't make jinx a villain. Depending on the level of catastrophe (something heimerdinger will probably minimize with his sacrifice/experiments) Jinx could redefine the relationship between piltover and Zaunthat is conducive for peace. Especially when both countries learn the true cost of war they can have the Vander revelation and pursue a better future. Jinx blowing up the city would be antagonistic in the short term but just what's needed to be done in the long term. The base violence necessary for change
thanks for another awesome video. i do believe a lot of the council and semi important characters die. ones that have importance to the story line but have little plot armor
Counter argument: Caitlyn Not once but twice, she survived a devastating explosion up close with little more than a scratch. First in Act 2 when she and 6 other enforcers were caught in Jinx's fire and dynomite explosion. Caitlyn was front and center of that one. She was the only survivor. Then in Act 3 on the bridge with the firelight explosives. She was standing practically next to Marcus and he had half his upper body blown off while the other enforcers with him were splattered all over the bridge, as we saw the following morning when Jayce was surveying the aftermath. Obviously killing Caitlyn would have drastically altered the story to the point that it wouldn't work but I think her injuries should've been far more severe to make her survival remotely believable. This was clearly the casualty of pacing. Vi, to a lesser degree when she was stabbed by Sevika, managed to make her way halfway across Undercity, pursued by Silco's goons and fell halfway trying to parkour down her old home. This I'm more forgiving as Vi has proven herself exceptionally resilient and was administered a small dose of Shimmer, which in the world of Arcane can do a lot of amazing things we just have to accept as the audience.
Caitlyn wasn't caught in Jinx's explosion. Just look at the scene again. Marcus only lost the arm the firelight landed on and no, Cait wasn't as close to it as you think. It also clearly exploded in Marcus' direction. Vi only managed to get through the Undercity (idk where tf did you get the halfway from) because Caitlyn was helping her and the thing she did was hardly parkour.
@@itsgonnabeokay9341 I've watched Arcane multiple times and Caitlyn was right in front of the blast. Try to bend your perception of what happened however you want but it's plot armor, plain and simple. You're right, it was hardly parkour. Vi fell 3 stories and banged against 2 crossbeams on the way down.
@@charlestonjew7587 Then watch it again, but with your head turned on. It exploded in Marcus' direction, the opposite direction of Cait. It's also a chemtech explosive, which does not work like like the explosives we have irl. Vi used the beams to slow down the fall. She used them like that in purpose. Also, btw, almost every fantastical story in fiction has some form of plot armor. It's not inherently a bad thing. It still does not change the fact that those are pretty bad examples.
@@itsgonnabeokay9341 I was talking about the fire explosion in Episode 4. Caitlyn was front and center. As for the bridge. DUDE, there were hundreds of those f'ng things. The one on Marcus's pistol wasn't the only firelight explosive. That entire bridge lit up and was splattered with enforcers. It doesn't matter if she was standing a foot in front of Marus or ten feet. FKNG PLOT ARMOR.
@@charlestonjew7587 The firelights landed ONLY on guns. Have really watched it 3 times? In episode 4 she was not in the explosion. She was near enough to get knockout though.
the part about ambessa getting her ass kicked back into noxus and then going in reverse actually made me cackle so loudly SDFASDF also another goated mao vid? lets goo
we get Piltover becomes a war zone due to noxus causing Piltover to lose pretty much everything as the war destroys all the important stuff like the hex gates. It looks so far the characters and cities will be put in the reverse positions of their counter part as some point. Like zaun becomes the desirable place to live now as noxus will always have to go through Pitlover first solving alot the economic problems between the cities. Like Vi is the new powder who no one wants her help as everything she touches catches on fire, Cat gets to experience what its like being a zaunite realizing she'll never get her justice, Like the hero's have a very outsider perspective on what's wrong and they don't understand why their sibling wants to kill them. So they keep implimenting solutions that never address the problem and just adds rocket fuel to the problem. i just don't see Jinx as the villain as you have the hero's around keep asking for a 50th chance to fix things and it becoming pretty clear they aren't learning from any of their mistakes.
Well considering a lot of the reasoning for champions not dying is equally shallow, thematically mentors dying is a common pattern in arcane. For exploding piltover we just have to see.
I'm wondering if we will see Viktor/Jayce/Mel in the season 2 trailers or not, maybe we'll just have to wait. (We've definitely seen them apart from Mel just not in full view, in focus)
Thats what i been saying forever. In order to have a LOL adapdtion verse the pre champion characters must turn into their champion selves at the end of each show
I'll be OK if the arcane explosion ONILY if jinx survives and all.the councils die including catliyn I never really liked the councils so I wasn't to shocked when jinx blew them up I was more proud then anything else
If he has a complete character shift and his goals move away from piltover and his core character themes are changed then hes okay to live. I think thats super likely going into s2 anyways.
my only question is....if champions die then how are they going to write future stroies for them? Cause they made arcane canon....and its not like its just another skinline in alternate universe...
Some stories can just end. When you have heimerdinger/shaco/rumble/etc they have lore that is essentially nonexistent and you could give that purpose by killing them off. A good reason for not dying is that it might be harder to get people to care about future skin lines as a business decision.
Doesn't Vi need to become the sheriff of Piltover first, not just an enforcer? That aside...do we think Jinx can die? I mean, her lore is essentially what's being covered in this new season, her embracing the crazy and burning down Arcane. She could easily die after that
@@maofone Ah, yep. I did my fact check, I completely goofed on who the sheriff is. My bad. Also, the more I think about it, I do agree that it would be a bit...odd and off-putting for Jinx to die, it wouldn't fit like you said.
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I can see Warwick dying as a way for Jinx and Vi to finally let go of the past, but it's hard to imagine any other champion dying.
i dont think he will "die" but he will definitely become too far gone and fully become the beast
I still don’t think jinx is the “main bad guy” that would kind of take away the impact of her whole journey we’ve been watching unfold.
Ok, I want to understand that sentiment. For me I assume that because jinx shoots a rocket at the council right when they declare peace means that the whole season one was developing her to become the ultimate agent of war, but I might be wrong. What's your interpretation of season 1?
@@maofoneshe’s going to become *more* than her destruction, her being the main bad guy kind of just proves that she was/always will be what she always feared “a jinx” her being the symbol, the leader of a rebellion would be read differently. She finally thinks “maybe I am more than just a jinx”
If anything I think she will be on her own side in the end, but not “evil”
Plus ambessa and Noxus has been built up to be the bad guy since she was introduced, we even see her soldiers fighting enforcers in the new trailer. It seems like piltover and Zaun will be forced to work together.
There's a unique dichotomy between Jinx's main themes. In season 1 it has all been about destruction and separation and with a lot of season 2 messaging she will be a builder and unifier. For Zaun especially, Jinx will be the Heimerdinger-esque founder for the nation and will definately be heralded in great respect.
@@maofone I hope you’re right! My girl deserves recognition and respect for her technological achievements!
Also do want to mention. Blowing up piltover wouldn't make jinx a villain. Depending on the level of catastrophe (something heimerdinger will probably minimize with his sacrifice/experiments) Jinx could redefine the relationship between piltover and Zaunthat is conducive for peace. Especially when both countries learn the true cost of war they can have the Vander revelation and pursue a better future. Jinx blowing up the city would be antagonistic in the short term but just what's needed to be done in the long term. The base violence necessary for change
thanks for another awesome video. i do believe a lot of the council and semi important characters die. ones that have importance to the story line but have little plot armor
Counter argument: Caitlyn
Not once but twice, she survived a devastating explosion up close with little more than a scratch.
First in Act 2 when she and 6 other enforcers were caught in Jinx's fire and dynomite explosion. Caitlyn was front and center of that one. She was the only survivor.
Then in Act 3 on the bridge with the firelight explosives. She was standing practically next to Marcus and he had half his upper body blown off while the other enforcers with him were splattered all over the bridge, as we saw the following morning when Jayce was surveying the aftermath.
Obviously killing Caitlyn would have drastically altered the story to the point that it wouldn't work but I think her injuries should've been far more severe to make her survival remotely believable.
This was clearly the casualty of pacing.
Vi, to a lesser degree when she was stabbed by Sevika, managed to make her way halfway across Undercity, pursued by Silco's goons and fell halfway trying to parkour down her old home. This I'm more forgiving as Vi has proven herself exceptionally resilient and was administered a small dose of Shimmer, which in the world of Arcane can do a lot of amazing things we just have to accept as the audience.
Caitlyn wasn't caught in Jinx's explosion. Just look at the scene again.
Marcus only lost the arm the firelight landed on and no, Cait wasn't as close to it as you think. It also clearly exploded in Marcus' direction. Vi only managed to get through the Undercity (idk where tf did you get the halfway from) because Caitlyn was helping her and the thing she did was hardly parkour.
@@itsgonnabeokay9341 I've watched Arcane multiple times and Caitlyn was right in front of the blast. Try to bend your perception of what happened however you want but it's plot armor, plain and simple.
You're right, it was hardly parkour. Vi fell 3 stories and banged against 2 crossbeams on the way down.
@@charlestonjew7587 Then watch it again, but with your head turned on. It exploded in Marcus' direction, the opposite direction of Cait. It's also a chemtech explosive, which does not work like like the explosives we have irl.
Vi used the beams to slow down the fall. She used them like that in purpose.
Also, btw, almost every fantastical story in fiction has some form of plot armor. It's not inherently a bad thing. It still does not change the fact that those are pretty bad examples.
@@itsgonnabeokay9341 I was talking about the fire explosion in Episode 4. Caitlyn was front and center.
As for the bridge. DUDE, there were hundreds of those f'ng things. The one on Marcus's pistol wasn't the only firelight explosive. That entire bridge lit up and was splattered with enforcers. It doesn't matter if she was standing a foot in front of Marus or ten feet. FKNG PLOT ARMOR.
@@charlestonjew7587 The firelights landed ONLY on guns. Have really watched it 3 times? In episode 4 she was not in the explosion. She was near enough to get knockout though.
the part about ambessa getting her ass kicked back into noxus and then going in reverse actually made me cackle so loudly SDFASDF
also another goated mao vid? lets goo
😂😂 A more polished version for everyone to go back to after s2 drops
heimerdinger cant really die as he is a yordle and yordles cant die
Piltover is gonna be humbled if the arcane explodes
Nah,Riot don't kill champs
we get Piltover becomes a war zone due to noxus causing Piltover to lose pretty much everything as the war destroys all the important stuff like the hex gates. It looks so far the characters and cities will be put in the reverse positions of their counter part as some point. Like zaun becomes the desirable place to live now as noxus will always have to go through Pitlover first solving alot the economic problems between the cities. Like Vi is the new powder who no one wants her help as everything she touches catches on fire, Cat gets to experience what its like being a zaunite realizing she'll never get her justice, Like the hero's have a very outsider perspective on what's wrong and they don't understand why their sibling wants to kill them. So they keep implimenting solutions that never address the problem and just adds rocket fuel to the problem. i just don't see Jinx as the villain as you have the hero's around keep asking for a 50th chance to fix things and it becoming pretty clear they aren't learning from any of their mistakes.
A lot of speculation here and a LOT of “I don’t see why not” and “Imagine that”
Well considering a lot of the reasoning for champions not dying is equally shallow, thematically mentors dying is a common pattern in arcane. For exploding piltover we just have to see.
I'm wondering if we will see Viktor/Jayce/Mel in the season 2 trailers or not, maybe we'll just have to wait. (We've definitely seen them apart from Mel just not in full view, in focus)
I really doubt it, most likely will be teasers like the Jayce wrist and Viktor curing zaunites
Thats what i been saying forever. In order to have a LOL adapdtion verse the pre champion characters must turn into their champion selves at the end of each show
13 seconds lets goooooooooooo
I'll be OK if the arcane explosion ONILY if jinx survives and all.the councils die including catliyn I never really liked the councils so I wasn't to shocked when jinx blew them up I was more proud then anything else
Actually saw a spoiler regarding this on twitter. It was a Bridging The Rift screenshot. Curious to see if it was accurate
Another banger❤
While I do believe with mostly everything you say my one gripe is heimerdinger
he’s not bad at all and doesn’t deserve to die as you say
If he has a complete character shift and his goals move away from piltover and his core character themes are changed then hes okay to live. I think thats super likely going into s2 anyways.
i think caitlyn will die
my only question is....if champions die then how are they going to write future stroies for them? Cause they made arcane canon....and its not like its just another skinline in alternate universe...
Some stories can just end. When you have heimerdinger/shaco/rumble/etc they have lore that is essentially nonexistent and you could give that purpose by killing them off. A good reason for not dying is that it might be harder to get people to care about future skin lines as a business decision.
Yordles cant die ....
Doesn't Vi need to become the sheriff of Piltover first, not just an enforcer? That aside...do we think Jinx can die? I mean, her lore is essentially what's being covered in this new season, her embracing the crazy and burning down Arcane. She could easily die after that
I think in lore only Caitlyn becomes sherrif, and killing jinx is antithetical to the themes of the story so I think it's unlikely
@@maofone Ah, yep. I did my fact check, I completely goofed on who the sheriff is. My bad.
Also, the more I think about it, I do agree that it would be a bit...odd and off-putting for Jinx to die, it wouldn't fit like you said.
@@sparksdog8111 THats my cope at least :c
@@maofone This show requires cope, so I'll join you in that