The unanswered questions are frustrating, not because the audience doesn’t know the answer, but because the characters don’t either. Ruby clearly never learned what the old lady was saying, so somehow when she became the old lady she suddenly knew how to say it? How would she learn that?
Yep, plenty of holes, like what could she be saying to make Ruby's mum run away - all it needed for that bit was for old Ruby at the moment of becoming the apparition to comment on "now I understand" alluding to where she came from. But nope nothing
At last someone who I can agree with on this episode. I'm baffled by people who think that because questions are left unanswered, that it's clever writing (it isn't). I watched the Unleashed episode on iPlayer, in a vain hope that it would fill in the gaps (it doesn't). Unleashed makes several things clear. 1) the episode was written as Ncuti was busy on another project (so was probably thrown together as a filler script) 2) it was the first episode filmed, so Ruby's character hadn't been worked out fully. 3) RTD doesn't know what the old lady says that scares people (he claims he's just not telling, but it's clearly nonsense)
Lol so it was left ambiguous because RTD didn't have any answers to his own story jus thought I'll take a bit of that and that and throw this bit in, that make sense given the episode
Ah nothing it's a classic. I probably should have expanded on that, I watched it as a kid and it scared me so much I had to switch it off, It wasn't helped by a neighbours cat jumping against the window outside lol
I disagree. I think this episodes gave me the same vibes as Tenant's Midnight episode. There's something about not knowing anything, where it a complete mystery in a DW episode. What it does is it forces the emphasis on the characters than the mystery. For Midnight, instead of focusing the creature outside, the focus is shifted to how human nature worked and how mob mentality can affect our morality and principles. While it also had a slight focus on human nature's fixation on what people are instead of who they are. (Since everyone in the bus didn't even know who the stewardess was. No one knew her name.) 73 yards was the same in a way, it carries the theme of the season so far, relationships and the bond we have with people we know. It focus how how Ruby would be if everyone abandoned her. And maybe a connection to future episodes. It also shows that even if Ruby is desperate to find her birth parents, the one thing that broke her was being abandoned by her adoptive parents. After that, she became cynnical, bitter and became the opposite of her bubbly and cheery self. 1st episode of the seaon was not the best start admittedly. But the message was the love of a parent, even an adoptive one toward maybevthe "Black sheep" (yes, the snot monster) of the family and how a parent should love them equally. 2nd is just the forming of a relationship and just a setup for futire villains for the season.
Thanks for your comment, and I've heard a lot of people say it has the same vibes as Midnight but for me its not anywhere in the same league. As you say that was a reflection on human nature under crisis but also on the effect of the Doctors arrogance without the companion as a filter. Built on a simple premise with a single mystery, it was intriguing and the tension built throughout the episode thanks in no small part to some incredible acting. This was just mystery built on mystery with any tension removed shortly after we arrive in the pub with those quite unpleasant representations of Welsh people. It felt like a bunch of derivative ideas cobbled together with no real thought behind the explanation. I also saw people talking about abandonment, I didn't get that, sure it happened but other than her mother I didn't really feel it - and the problem with that is there's no explanation at all - what would it take for a mother to shut out her child? But as I say, I didn't feel anything for Ruby, I don't think she's a good character so it failed on the character front for me too. Fyi the "parent" in space babies tried to kill the bogey man Its cool that you're enjoying it and I appreciate the thought out comment
That's true, the pub scene stayed for too long and the people there were needlessly cruel. The pub scene only needed 2 or 3 people. One to tell the connection of the top of the mountain to the blue yonder episode. Where they were both described as the edge and that the boundaries are weak there or something like that. The 2nd is to demonstrate the "Lady's effect". I don't think the episode meant to focus on why the parent would ever abandon Ruby, but what would happen if she was abandoned. And it showed how she would break down with no parents, no doctor. She stopped looking for her birth parents. Which is her most important thing we know so far. So it's not about the reason for abandoning Ruby, it's focused on if Ruby was abandoned. But yeah, not as great as Midnight but still a nice watch for me.
@@stuffyclipsv Weirdly, being adopted myself, it's odd that she didn't become more obsessed with finding her birth parents after loosing her "mum" but fair enough, I think it could have been good for me with a few tweaks
The unanswered questions are frustrating, not because the audience doesn’t know the answer, but because the characters don’t either. Ruby clearly never learned what the old lady was saying, so somehow when she became the old lady she suddenly knew how to say it? How would she learn that?
Yep, plenty of holes, like what could she be saying to make Ruby's mum run away - all it needed for that bit was for old Ruby at the moment of becoming the apparition to comment on "now I understand" alluding to where she came from. But nope nothing
At last someone who I can agree with on this episode. I'm baffled by people who think that because questions are left unanswered, that it's clever writing (it isn't).
I watched the Unleashed episode on iPlayer, in a vain hope that it would fill in the gaps (it doesn't). Unleashed makes several things clear.
1) the episode was written as Ncuti was busy on another project (so was probably thrown together as a filler script)
2) it was the first episode filmed, so Ruby's character hadn't been worked out fully.
3) RTD doesn't know what the old lady says that scares people (he claims he's just not telling, but it's clearly nonsense)
Lol so it was left ambiguous because RTD didn't have any answers to his own story jus thought I'll take a bit of that and that and throw this bit in, that make sense given the episode
What’s wrong with the original ‘The Haunting’? 😁
Ah nothing it's a classic. I probably should have expanded on that, I watched it as a kid and it scared me so much I had to switch it off, It wasn't helped by a neighbours cat jumping against the window outside lol
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I disagree. I think this episodes gave me the same vibes as Tenant's Midnight episode. There's something about not knowing anything, where it a complete mystery in a DW episode. What it does is it forces the emphasis on the characters than the mystery.
For Midnight, instead of focusing the creature outside, the focus is shifted to how human nature worked and how mob mentality can affect our morality and principles. While it also had a slight focus on human nature's fixation on what people are instead of who they are. (Since everyone in the bus didn't even know who the stewardess was. No one knew her name.)
73 yards was the same in a way, it carries the theme of the season so far, relationships and the bond we have with people we know. It focus how how Ruby would be if everyone abandoned her. And maybe a connection to future episodes. It also shows that even if Ruby is desperate to find her birth parents, the one thing that broke her was being abandoned by her adoptive parents. After that, she became cynnical, bitter and became the opposite of her bubbly and cheery self.
1st episode of the seaon was not the best start admittedly. But the message was the love of a parent, even an adoptive one toward maybevthe "Black sheep" (yes, the snot monster) of the family and how a parent should love them equally.
2nd is just the forming of a relationship and just a setup for futire villains for the season.
Thanks for your comment, and I've heard a lot of people say it has the same vibes as Midnight but for me its not anywhere in the same league. As you say that was a reflection on human nature under crisis but also on the effect of the Doctors arrogance without the companion as a filter. Built on a simple premise with a single mystery, it was intriguing and the tension built throughout the episode thanks in no small part to some incredible acting.
This was just mystery built on mystery with any tension removed shortly after we arrive in the pub with those quite unpleasant representations of Welsh people. It felt like a bunch of derivative ideas cobbled together with no real thought behind the explanation. I also saw people talking about abandonment, I didn't get that, sure it happened but other than her mother I didn't really feel it - and the problem with that is there's no explanation at all - what would it take for a mother to shut out her child?
But as I say, I didn't feel anything for Ruby, I don't think she's a good character so it failed on the character front for me too.
Fyi the "parent" in space babies tried to kill the bogey man
Its cool that you're enjoying it and I appreciate the thought out comment
That's true, the pub scene stayed for too long and the people there were needlessly cruel. The pub scene only needed 2 or 3 people. One to tell the connection of the top of the mountain to the blue yonder episode. Where they were both described as the edge and that the boundaries are weak there or something like that. The 2nd is to demonstrate the "Lady's effect".
I don't think the episode meant to focus on why the parent would ever abandon Ruby, but what would happen if she was abandoned. And it showed how she would break down with no parents, no doctor. She stopped looking for her birth parents. Which is her most important thing we know so far. So it's not about the reason for abandoning Ruby, it's focused on if Ruby was abandoned.
But yeah, not as great as Midnight but still a nice watch for me.
@@stuffyclipsv Weirdly, being adopted myself, it's odd that she didn't become more obsessed with finding her birth parents after loosing her "mum" but fair enough, I think it could have been good for me with a few tweaks