1920's Hebdomas 8 jours Service and TLC
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- This time we're servicing an old pocket watch, an Hebdomas 8-day watch from around 1920. A very different beast, we look at how this watch can run for 8 days but first we see if we can make it run at all!
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I imagine finding a new face is next to impossible...too bad, that would make this watch epic. I love the looks of it. Even after watching way too many videos, it still amazes me how exacting making one of these gems is. The hairsprings on the balance still strike me as magic. Another great video!!!!
My favorite part of putting a movement back together seeing the balance oscillating after you have it together. Great video.
I have a Hebdomas Pocket watch from the early 1930's. Was given to me as a gift, since I love wrist watches and tinker a lot with them. It's absolutely stunning and looks near new.. very well looked after and really is much more attractive than the Omega watches of the same era. The dial's are a work of art.
Thank you for sharing this. I've only discovered your channel and really enjoy watching and listening to you work.
Excellent pace and logical treatment are the hallmarks of a well-crafted tutorial. Your narrative evokes the calm necessary to allow the process to be relaxed and enjoyable. Much better than an obligatory task one would rather relegate than perform personally. Your sincere enjoyment draws the viewer/listener into the linear journey of tear-down and rebuild almost seamlessly and engagingly, too. I found it especially helpful that you noted peculiarities of this model's design features. Those little unknowns are often what turns a fun project into a hair-pulling nightmare needlessly.
Always learn something when I see someone so engaged in making it super user friendly info.
Mike Kirwan - Kenmore, WA
Wow, thanks so much for that, Mike, very much appreciated. There are certainly more skilled and more knowledgeable watchmakers out there, and I'm always trying to improve also. Comments like this make it that much more inspiring!
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Best regards,
Stian
I’ve never seen a pocket watch like this.
Quite beautiful & interesting 👍🏾
Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
hard to imagine the tooling and production of those tiny screws during that time period
Pink is said to be a color that reduces aggression. Maybe they intended to make watchmakers extra cautious with the largest screwdriver.
Lovely watch and great work.. if people like you are not there, those watches wouldn't see a new tomorrow. Hebdomas, the watch & the owner should be grateful to you! - thanks for all the great work Stian!!. I really want to find a watch worthy of you to work one day, hopefully!
Thanks, Eshwar :)
This video is just what I needed! I'm used to Elgins and Walthams, but recently acquired one of these 8 day watches. it's running, but not well. I went to clean and oil it and realized I didn't have a clue about how it was put together. Thanks!
That is very cool to hear! Best of luck :)
Oh my goodness - your dry sense of humor is so great. Love it!😃
Thank you!
Thats one fascinating pocket watch.
Excellent to see you do this particular watch
Thanks for watching! It's nice to work on something different sometimes :)
*What you refer as 'luck' in your workmanship, when things go exceptionally well--is in reality your skill as a watchmaker.* *Smiles*
Thanks :)
Saw this video very late. But such a beautiful piece. The escapement on the dial side seemed to move in the opposite direction, but when you seen any wheel on the reverse side, it will be the opposite of what you saw first. I don't know the technical name for this.
Hello K, yes, the escape wheel turns in the "wrong" direction! It is due to the extra wheel that allows for the 8 day power reserve. They could of course have simply put the mainspring in the other way, but that's how they decide to do it :)
The owner should be very happy when he or she gets this back.
Thanks Harold, and he was. I sent him a link to the video and he loved seeing it :) It's something special when you see a watch your grandfather once had come back in running order.
"With that crisis of masculinity averted" had to be one of the best lines I've heard on TH-cam. Thank you for that.
😁 Thanks so much, Chester, that's great to hear! My wife knows I'm an idiot, and I'm not trying to hide it.
Another polish "service"k wenever see any repair on these videos...
so you buy a broken polished watch
Love the show, thank you
Thanks for watching and welcome to the channel!
That spring looks like a monster
It's a gentle giant 😁
You are an artist!
Thanks so much, Jaime!
I agree with Robert--always learn a lot from your videos. I've recently ordered a couple of old Ricoh automatics from eBay. They're not fancy, but I like the way they look. The sellers claimed they've been refurbished, but they look rough to my (admittedly untrained) eye. Have you ever worked on Ricoh watches?
Thanks so much for your comment, that's truly great to hear! I've not worked on any Ricoh's, but they are solid quality and some of them have a lateral lever instead of the common pallet fork. They should be great for working on.
@@VintageWatchServices Oh, don't let me misrepresent myself--I don't know a thing about watchmaking. I was gearing up to ask if I could send them to you for repairs! But your videos are fascinating and it's nice to learn more about the inner workings of these machines.
@@VintageWatchServices They used something called the "Dynamic Wide" escapement which is wider than a typical Swiss lever and has a shallower bank angle. It is banked on a single pin in the main plate. I believe it was an attempt to improve the efficiency of the escapement.
Your presentation and humour make this video a real joy. Did your colleague beat that quartz movement into submission? Subscribed with pleasure. Thanks!
Thanks and welcome to the channel, David! It's not really about the outcome when hammering on a quartz movement, it's about enjoying the process. 😁
Great
Thanks Jon! More to come, so stay tuned :)
Great education channel 👍
Thanks!
Great, finally someone made a video on Hebdomas 8 Days!
Many thanks from Ukraine!
Thanks for watching, hope you enjoyed it!
@@VintageWatchServices I enjoyed indeed ) Probably I'll share this video with my watch repairman once I get one 8 Jours in fair condition.
Beautiful 🥰
Thank you! 😊
7:00 mark; Timmy's math skills, 1,2 skip-a-few 5, will see him as the defendant in an accounting scandal later in life... >~
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Good job 👌👌👌👏👏👏
Thank you so much 😀
Great video - one thing - your commentary audio is super quiet
Thanks for watching and welcome to the channel! I'll have a look at the audio level of the commentary, thanks for pointing it out :)
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Thanks so much!
There’s another video of you servicing this watch with no voice over here on TH-cam.
Serious? Do you have the link?
@@VintageWatchServices
th-cam.com/video/AEKCELjEHB8/w-d-xo.html
Those ARE your lovely hands, correct?
Yes, those are my carefully manicured hands 😁 Pretty brazen of someone to just copy the entire video... thanks a lot for letting me know!
20:30: "life isn't ideal" ............................... unless you work in a casino ............... eh ??
Swiss or German manufacturer?
Thanks for watching and welcome to the channel! Hebdomas was a Swiss manufacturer from the French-speaking part in the Jura mountains.
Pink is just a color. It doesn't have a gender and wearing pink doesn't make anyone more or less masculine. In fact I'm going to find myself a pink watch to wear. My wife won't wear it though. She HATES pink.
It's fine. I am neither a Jedi nor a Sith, so I can never use Force on a watch. 🤣
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its not pink...its light red!!!
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Your explanation and fixing of the beat error and the angle made me just that much smarter today. I thank you for that.
Thanks Robert, that's great to hear!
This was easily the most LOL-worthy video I've watched in your collection. I have to stop myself several times from guffawing as I was watching this at 2 AM. I resisted the urge to lick my elbow.
Nah, I'm pretty sure you tried and failed.
In the UK we say parts are as rare as "Hen's teeth", how many chickens have you seen with teeth 😂😂
Fantastic. I studied your video before attempting a service on my Hebdomas. It is now running a treat. Thank you.
A lot of work for such little product. The watch it not worth the effort. The dial is ugly and cracked. The main spring back needs to be smoothed. There are no gems on the powertrain. Why would you save this?
I disagree. There are many more watches worthy of your amazing skills. Maybe if someone paid you a lot to salvage this monstrosity, then I would understand.
It was a family heirloom of a friend :)
@@VintageWatchServices You are the best friend anyone would have.
Thank you so much for this video. I have three of these pocket watches but was never clear about taking it apart correctly. Thanks to you I should have them all restored soon.
Great to hear! Just make sure you let the mainspring all the way down and be very careful when taking the barrel off, as the mainspring is very strong. Good luck!
Beautiful vintage watch and great job on the restore. Too bad about the dinger on the side of the case. A few round tip punches and soft hammer taps could bring that right out too. The is quite a unique watch. Beautiful!
The name Hebdomas means a group of seven in Greek, and it was often used to refer to the end of a week, similar to the concept of the Sabbath.
Too funny, you’re definitely showing your age by play Car Wash movie from 70s. Of course now you know my age also.😂👌🏻
Then after running for a while a microscopic fragment of porcelain loosens and falls into the mechanism locking it all up. I have a pocket watch with damage to the face, i havent bothered having it serviced, because it will not last.
BEAUTIFUL
Once again, you fulfilled the BBC's original brief - To inform, educate, and entertain. The clip of 'Car Wash' was completely unnecessary, and therefore, perfect! Thank you Stian for brightening our days.
😁 Thanks for watching!
Hi everybody am looking into getting one of them.what a good price for this 👍
I actually worked on one quartz movement, on a Linden kitchen clock. It had a wire broken on one end of the coil bobbin. I was able to fix it with a very thin wire and some solder.
Nice work!
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I wonder why you don't use evaporust or similar products to remove rust from steel parts.
That screwdriver I am afraid is Hot Pink and not Salmon, BTW, when pronouncing Salmon don't include the L. It would be Samon. At least in the US, the EU I can't speak for.
I've made a life decision to pronounce the L 😉
The pallet fork has a great deal of wobble, it seems to have elongated its upper pivot bearing by at least 80%. I only observed this, and know
very little about watches, and am curious about how far off tolerances can be without compromising accuracy?
Very good videos...well done
Thanks for watching! Yes, this watch has quite some wear and the ambition level was mostly to make it run again. The owner didn't want to spend a lot of money on it, and accuracy was never a goal :)
Wonderful. What a beautiful piece that is. Congrats on restoring it to function again. Always great to have a heritage piece functioning as it should. I'm sure the owner is quite pleased. Excellent. !
Another annoying pronunciation of an English word is for salmon. The 'l' is silent. So we say 'sammon' !?!? Who knows why. I enjoy your sardonic humour and so have duly subscribed. Thanks.
Thanks a lot, Cory and I share your view 😂
What a nice watch, I don't know much in time keeping pieces, but when you reinstall the main spring in its barrel, weren't you supposed not to touch it with your bare fingers ??
Thank you for showing you art and patience on vintage movements.
Thanks for watching, and yes, it is indeed better not to use your bare fingers :)
That watch cleaned up well. The TLC you gave had her running like a champ. Outstanding work Boss 🫡🤝
Thanks! 👍
Thank you so much for introducing me to this amazing watch. I'm now hooked on them. I am collecting bits and pieces of them and hoping to assemble one, one fine day.
Great to hear! :)
What a beautiful watch. That dial is stunning even with the crack in it. I became really interested in watches when I replaced the battery in my Lorus which seemed to be eating batteries. I've given up with it now and I'm wearing a ladies skeleton mechanical/automatic watch which my son bought me for Mother's Day. I'm hoping to try/learn watch repair myself once I can gather some of the tools required. I've decided not to bother with cheap tools but start collecting good quality tools. Oh, as a lady, I'd call the screwdriver pink. Salmon is what I eat 😄
That's very cool to hear, thanks for sharing! There are a lot of nice TH-cam watch repair channels out there, probably the best for learning is the one simply called the Watch Repair channel :)
Hello. I have one of this that was from my grand grandfather. It is missing the hour and minute markers, but it still working. Do you know where i can find them?
Hello Roberto, if the markers on the watch are missing, it'll be next to impossible to replace them, I'm afraid. The only option would most likely be to replace the dial, which is something you wouldn't want to do unless really necessary.
1 2 3 5 , something that i was looking for in this video !!!
Thanks and have certain Old in this choice boxe but heavy and two minutes and hour post together and second needle get small pot feeling like half kilo . will it was involved Old Era experience circle
Thanks for watching! I'm not sure I fully understand your question?
I have the same watch and I have been to a bunch of places to get it cleaned a d lubed but no one wants to work on it . Could you work on mine ?
Hello Eddie, you can send me a mail at stian@vintagewatchservices.eu, then we can see.
You need to look at others to see how to shoot videos if you plan to do more. poor lighting, hands in the way, all that makes for a hard to watch video.
Hello David, thanks for watching this one year old video 😉
The case screws go under the case lip on these?
It was very beautiful
Thanks Richard! It's a pretty special old watch :)
Pink screwdrivers are awesome, I have a complete set, no one on the job side borrows or steals them🙂
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If you don't mind sir were did you purchase those dial protective cases.
Hello Travis, I don't mind at all :) I bought mine at Cousinsuk.com, but pretty much any material house would have them. If you're in the US, ofrei, esslinger etc would also have them, I should think.
Very well done sir. I really don't think pocket watches are "easier" especially very old movements can be way more tricky than a modern wrist movement 1/3 of the size or less...
Thanks for watching and welcome to the channel! Pocket watches with the Swiss lever escapement I think are mostly easier to work on given the size and familiar mechanics, but if you have a cylinder escapement or a fusée etc, it's a whole different ballgame indeed...
One word beautiful wish it was mine.
a barrel that size youd think would have a month of power reserve. 😆
In a modern watch you probably would be able to, indeed!
Why would a 1920s Elgin pocket watch keep good time when it is horizontal, but lose about 10 minutes every 12 hours if it is at an angle in a stand?
could be a jewel cracked
@@andrewking2590 Thank You.
Is this watch Portuguese? I identified this language in the manual shown.
The watch belongs to a Brazilian man, so that would fit nicely!
@@VintageWatchServices. Cool. I'm Brazilian too.
Winding the main spring by hand. 😱
Love the quartz comment 😅
Amazing pocket watch and video! And the deep wonderful thing that 100 years ago every single piece of that lovely thing is FULLY HAND mada. Every single thing. Is incredible how precise our hands can be :)
Thank you for sharing the PASSION :)
many wishes for a merry christmas!
Disappointed you didn't beat that big dent out of the case.
Hello Josef, thanks for watching! It's always a matter of what the customer wants, and he didn't want too much done to the case.
Vivo vicino a Treviso . Dove trovo un orologiaio che sappia riparare questo tipo di orologio ?
I'd suggest you simply google vintage watches near you, and it shouldn't be too difficult to find a watchmaker. It is not a complicated watch to work on, so any good independent watchmaker will do.
I enjoy your commentary with the humor! Makes for a fun project! Nicely finished work!
Too many adds.
Excellent to see you do this particular watch. I have one to do so I can go ahead with it... so sorry about the psychologicals.
Thanks for watching and for your comment, John! Great to hear it might help you work your own watch :) Not sure what you mean about the psychologicals?
Great work liked how you kept tweaking the hairspring Colette.. patience psychologicals
What are cap jewels for?
Cap jewels are to reduce friction. The way they work is that the balance wheel is fit onto a metal pin called an arbor, and each end of the arbor is very thin and highly polished into a pivot. These pivots extend through the jewel holes. When the watch is lying flat, one pivot will rest on one of the cap jewels and due to the very small diameter of the pivot combined with the hardness of the pivot/jewel plus a tiny drop of oil, there is very little friction. That makes the balance wheel oscillate more freely and thus improves the timekeeping.
Nice! I really like your channel -- you explain the issues and solutions. Thanks!
Working on a quartz movement thump thump .....great joy
What is it called when it has those green circles going around it? I've been searching for a specific watch all over the internet. It also has those circles going around it, but a bigger circumference going along the watch. I believe it is a Waltham, but all I have to go by is a blurry picture. All help is appreciated! Thank you / Danke!
Hello Stephan, you can try to search for a cartouche dial. That would be the closest, I think.
Dam, you caught me!! I really tried licking my elbow!!! Just to find out that it's really impossible!!
Loooool!!! :)
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Hmm you might have bought my wrist watch I had, the broken stem and missing teeth, sold it in 19 I believe. Excellent condition, the entire rest of the watch could be used for pristine parts from the 80s. Quite a weird time to be buying watches from the deathbed of the industry.
Yeah, the 80s was a weird time for mechanical watches for sure...
This is the first time coming to your channel. Very interesting watch and repairs, and I like your dry sense of humor and your narration. Your voice is very pleasant to listen to.
Subscribed!
Welcome, Erik!
Nice restoration. Do you think there's a way that the crack in the enamel could be cleaned somehow, so that it's not aged/yellow? I'm sure I read about denture cleaner for this, but that might sound a bit drastic.
Hello Mark, yes, you can use polident or similar. I don't remember exactly why I didn't use it but think maybe I was a bit worried about broken off pieces coming completely loose.
Hi, nice watch and service, but curious why you did not straighten the hair spring? It looked like it was bent on the outer section, which would hit the 2nd ring every time it rotated, thus the irregular rotation and beat. Thanks.
Hi there, thanks for watching and for your question! I think the confusion might be because the hairspring has a Breguet overcoil? These hairsprings look bent when looking straight at them, as the last coil is bent upwards and inwards to make the hairspring develop more concentrically.
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10:45 Pink was actually originally a color for men. Blue was for women, because that was the Virgin Mary’s color. Bergeron is clearly a traditional company.
Right on!
Thank you for your video. I will be attempting this in the near future. I can not find a replacement crystal. Could you provide the dimensions I would be looking for or a alternate watch crystal that is a suitable fit?
Thanks for watching! You need to measure the crystal and then order a new one ever so slightly bigger. E.g if you measure 42.0mm you should order 42.2 mm.
Spectacular video! Thoroughly enjoyable! Wonderful commentary! Subscribed! Thanks for sharing!!!
Awesome, thank you and welcome to the channel!
It should work for 15 days look at the huge mainspring it was no the backk, looks like a clock..
Yep, it is one massive mainspring 😂
Thank You
You're welcome!
Hi. What was it you used to polish the pivots? couldn't catch it :) inflex stick? Thank you
Hello Andrei, thanks for watching! I'm using an EVEFLEX stick.
Do you ever restore the old Bulova Accutrons......either the 214 or 218 movement?
Hello Jack, thanks for watching! No, I don't work on the Accutrons or other tuning fork watches. I don't have the equipment for testing and I prefer moving wheels :)
É um grande relógeiro...sem sombras de dúvida!
Muito obrigado!
Lovely
man that pocket watch is such a beautiful time piece I wouldn't mind adding one to my collection.... (someone please tell me no)
It's a beauty indeed... for the no I'm sure your better half would oblige :)