Great podcast guys, I watched the whole thing. One thing I just want to point out is the pronunciation of his name. It is Sun LuTANG, its pronounced like its written. It's not Dang, like Dao is sometimes written Tao in other Romanization systems. But in this case Tang is pronounced with a T.
Sun Lutang was a kind of "Bruce Lee" of his era : he learnt many martial arts, got knowledge in philosophy so he could create his own system, then used the media to become famous (books for Sun, and movies for Lee).
Once again, thank you for putting this series together. For Frank: I always liked this quote attributed to BP Chan, "Tai chi maintains the center, Hsing I attacks the center, BaGua diverts the center."
My teacher,( father of my teacher), who passed in 2004, had eight great teachers before he met master Wang. One of the eight foundational teachers was sun lu tang. He told stories about them. One that I remember,( my second king fu book ever at age 13 was sun lu tangs xing yi book), was about a argument master sun got into. He declined the offer of a fight. My teacher said that he didn’t have robust fighting skill in practical life. That was a statement from his student , Han xing qiao. Han studied xing yi, ba gua, tai chi, shuai jiao, ba gi, And then yiquan. He taught at Jing an temple in shanghai, the first mixed art school in the history of China. There is a newspaper article about him and his brother at that time. He was very young to be teaching, perhaps 16,17. He was already so skilled that he was honored to be a teacher. There is nothing better than first hand accounts. How much better can you get? So much of “ history” is written by people very distant from the moment or the truth.
iit is worth buying a Sun Lutang book or a book about Sun Lutang?, In Amazon there are three book of Sun Lutang, one about Tai ji, other Ba Gua and another Xing YI. Do you recommend learn Sun Style Tai chi? or Is it a mix of all three internal arts ? Great program of podcast thanks so much from Spain
The early bio presented here is very detailed more so than what I can find online. Does anyone know where this is from? I don't want to say that it is embellished but... I would like to see it for myself somewhere. I do understand that the Chinese sometimes build up stories to epic proportions. Thanks.
I love hearing the old stories of the masters and their lives/ history. I love stories about Old China. I wonder where these stories come from and how accurate they are in terms of factual, provable history. Yet, I'm also aware of how different Chinese History is recorded to how Western history is recorded and the huge influence of culture. This is not to denigrate Chinese history and how it is recorded - all history is perverted in positive ways towards the ruler/ winner being to ones recording the events but Chinese culture is paramount in its history; How many masters of the traditional arts; fought a Russian boxer/ wrestler, how many took on all comers and beat the westerners, how many trained with someone of auspicious nature that links them to something greater, How many were exemplarily in culture and attitude, were skilled in calligraphy, medicine, poems and martial arts . Pretty much all of the Masters of Old including up to Wang Xiang Zhai. These stories are famous and all very similar. The problem with history is the lack of verifiable evidence and the issue with Chinese history is the difference from Western history. So for Chinese people they understand the history and its importance through the lens of culture more than it being strictly historically accurate. The West is not interested in accuracy but from a propaganda point of view. I think Sun Lu Tang had a greater chance to publish his written works more than many of the previous masters. Also, much like in the west, all Chinese are famous for something, or want to be famous for something. hence the development of styles. For a style to be considered Tai Chi Chuan it has to obey the Internal principals as understood in Tai Chi Chuan - I'm guessing that Sun style does that. All the Internal styles of martial arts have the Internal principals but apply them slightly differently yet within the margins in order for them to not only be internal but also for them to work internally Fascinating podcast Subscribed for interest. :)
I ve practised sun lu tang form for about 15 years ' tim cartnell has correct photo's of his form ' the hands actually TOUCH the head and groin area on the body and the form is very tight with multi millimetre fa jing shaking in most of the moves ' the form is really good for the bones and tendons and moves fast compared to yang cheng form ' Master suns photo is in some Japanese dojos when he beat the champion of karate and judo '
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Great podcast guys, I watched the whole thing. One thing I just want to point out is the pronunciation of his name. It is Sun LuTANG, its pronounced like its written. It's not Dang, like Dao is sometimes written Tao in other Romanization systems. But in this case Tang is pronounced with a T.
Sun Lutang was a kind of "Bruce Lee" of his era : he learnt many martial arts, got knowledge in philosophy so he could create his own system, then used the media to become famous (books for Sun, and movies for Lee).
Once again, thank you for putting this series together. For Frank: I always liked this quote attributed to BP Chan, "Tai chi maintains the center, Hsing I attacks the center, BaGua diverts the center."
My teacher,( father of my teacher), who passed in 2004, had eight great teachers before he met master Wang. One of the eight foundational teachers was sun lu tang. He told stories about them. One that I remember,( my second king fu book ever at age 13 was sun lu tangs xing yi book), was about a argument master sun got into. He declined the offer of a fight. My teacher said that he didn’t have robust fighting skill in practical life. That was a statement from his student , Han xing qiao. Han studied xing yi, ba gua, tai chi, shuai jiao, ba gi, And then yiquan. He taught at Jing an temple in shanghai, the first mixed art school in the history of China. There is a newspaper article about him and his brother at that time. He was very young to be teaching, perhaps 16,17. He was already so skilled that he was honored to be a teacher. There is nothing better than first hand accounts. How much better can you get? So much of “ history” is written by people very distant from the moment or the truth.
Great work men, incredible life and times of Sun Lu Tang.
It was our pleasure, thank you.
Really digging all of the episodes. Appreciate the content. Thanks a ton.
Glad you like them!
Do an episode on Wang Shujin please
Yes, please do an episode on the Nine Palaces system! :-)
Awesome podcast. Love hearing stories of Sun Lu Tang.
Wonderful presentation, thank you sifu!
Thank you too!
50:23 It was actually a book on Bagua Spear, not Xingyi Spear. This was told to me by Per Nyfelt. One of Sun's daughter's disciples.
Very interesting thank you. Any thoughts about the Five Character Secret by Li I-yu as this was part of master Sun LuTang's writings
iit is worth buying a Sun Lutang book or a book about Sun Lutang?, In Amazon there are three book of Sun Lutang, one about Tai ji, other Ba Gua and another Xing YI. Do you recommend learn Sun Style Tai chi? or Is it a mix of all three internal arts ?
Great program of podcast thanks so much from Spain
The early bio presented here is very detailed more so than what I can find online. Does anyone know where this is from? I don't want to say that it is embellished but... I would like to see it for myself somewhere. I do understand that the Chinese sometimes build up stories to epic proportions. Thanks.
I love hearing the old stories of the masters and their lives/ history.
I love stories about Old China.
I wonder where these stories come from and how accurate they are in terms of factual, provable history.
Yet, I'm also aware of how different Chinese History is recorded to how Western history is recorded and the huge influence of culture.
This is not to denigrate Chinese history and how it is recorded - all history is perverted in positive ways towards the ruler/ winner being to ones recording the events
but Chinese culture is paramount in its history; How many masters of the traditional arts; fought a Russian boxer/ wrestler, how many took on all comers and beat the westerners, how many trained with someone of auspicious nature that links them to something greater, How many were exemplarily in culture and attitude, were skilled in calligraphy, medicine, poems and martial arts .
Pretty much all of the Masters of Old including up to Wang Xiang Zhai.
These stories are famous and all very similar.
The problem with history is the lack of verifiable evidence and the issue with Chinese history is the difference from Western history. So for Chinese people they understand the history and its importance through the lens of culture more than it being strictly historically accurate. The West is not interested in accuracy but from a propaganda point of view.
I think Sun Lu Tang had a greater chance to publish his written works more than many of the previous masters.
Also, much like in the west, all Chinese are famous for something, or want to be famous for something.
hence the development of styles.
For a style to be considered Tai Chi Chuan it has to obey the Internal principals as understood in Tai Chi Chuan - I'm guessing that Sun style does that.
All the Internal styles of martial arts have the Internal principals but apply them slightly differently yet within the margins in order for them to not only be internal but also for them to work internally
Fascinating podcast
Subscribed for interest.
:)
This channel needs more subs but no worries I will help
Thanks so much for these podcasts. I had Sun lu Tangs xingyi book and someone stole it😂
No way!?
I ve practised sun lu tang form for about 15 years ' tim cartnell has correct photo's of his form ' the hands actually TOUCH the head and groin area on the body and the form is very tight with multi millimetre fa jing shaking in most of the moves ' the form is really good for the bones and tendons and moves fast compared to yang cheng form ' Master suns photo is in some Japanese dojos when he beat the champion of karate and judo '
It’s Sun Lu TANG NOT DANG WTF!!
It's a bit like Dao or Tao. I think it can be pronounced both ways
@@KevinMeredith No it is not.
Sun Lu Tang....Soon Lou Tahng..... not Dang
Lord have mercy 🤢