Holland-type submarines - Guide 407
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- The Holland type, early submarines of various navies, are today's subject.
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Which class of warship has served in the most different navies?
@@Drachinifel what happened to any kriegsmarine surface ships that survived ww2?
Other than Holland's Hollands, and Armstrong's Elswick cruisers, are there any other cases of a particular type of warship becoming almost synonomous with a single manufacturer?
Growing up I was always fascinated by early submarines. The ones designed by Simon Lake were the most interesting as they had wheels.
had war in europe broken out earlier, how effective do you think the gas/petro-electric submarines would have been in comparison to their Diesel Electric successors? did they have any chance of matching U-boat tonnage?
"And the Japanese ordered five..." (Distant sounds of screaming Russian terror from the Kamchatka)
"THEY'RE UNDER THE WATER! I TOLD YOU I WASN'T CRAZY! I'M NOT CRAZY! I'M NOT CRAZZZZYYYY!!!!"
Kamchatka is my favorite ship 😄
The Russian plan was to throw binoculars at them whenever one appeared. Bet you didn't know that was what Rozhestvensky was doing the whole time
@@hyneksmid3293 "The best Japanese ship that never flew the Japanese flag..."
Leave the poor thing alone!
As a Dutchman; the name 'Holland Submarine ' always makes me smile 😁
And the name is fitting, since like the subs, Holland spent a lot of time under the sea.
@@arkdeniz You beat me to it. And they bought some of these subs.
Yeah, there should also be a Gelderland submarine, a Drenthe submarine, and a Flevoland submarine 🤔
Having kids that watch far too much Japanese cartoons,
It was quite enlightening when I found out the only contact with the rest of the world that Japan had during its isolationism was ,,,,,,,,,,
Dutch sailors….explains a lot.
@@brucebaxter6923 Portuguese Jesuits as well, but I get that you're trying to tie it to Holland subs.
Now you don't hear that to often. The UK being the only one to preserve a class of ship.
Only because one sank before it reach the scrap yard, and was recovered, after Britain's recycling binge.
I agree with your general point.
Though I am not sure I would call refitting a boat that had sunk on the way to be scrapped as 'preserving'.
More like 'salvaging'.
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Not for lack of trying to scrap it. :P
@@McRocketMaybe Warspite should have tried harder...
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Electric Boat still exists and now makes nuke subs for the USN
A division of the mega defense contractor General Dynamics, with such new products, as this Virginia class of submarines. You may of heard of it. Just a tad bigger than those Holland types.
@@michaelmoorrees3585Didn’t Electric Boat become General Dynamics with the purchase of Canadair?
@@classifiedad1General Dynamics was incorporated in 1952.
@@michaelmoorrees3585I was at NSSC Groton when the Virgina was PCU compared to the boat I'd just come from she was like being on a scifi space ship. Pretty cool boats.
Imagine what Holland himself would say if you showed him a Virginia Class. Or a Trafalgar, or an Akula.
Tragically the USS Holland was preserved and remained on display in Paterson, NJ for a time. Though she was scrapped during the Great Depression. Surprisingly three of Holland’s prototypes technically still exist. Two are in the Paterson museum, Holland I and Holland II the “Fenian Ram,” and the other is Holland III, still sunk in the East River in New York.
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1:20 Are we sure this wasn't the design inspiration for the muppet Sam Eagle?
OMG. Cannot unsee! It is identical.
😂 yeah, does look like that literal muppet.
@@shaider1982 A Beeker like sub might only terrify its crew.
Good one!
Oh God...
we all live in a grey-red tubmarine grey-red tubmarine grey-red tubmarine!
Oh Brother!
Take my angry upvote and get out😂
5:04 That picture is so British it hurts. A submarine with a Ship of the Line in the background!😂😂
I think the ship of the line in the background is the Victory.
@@divinerowecom It is! Good catch. It's the 'cover picture' for HMS Holland 3's Wikipedia page. Had to do a little digging to find it honestly, lol.
USS Plunger was Chester Nimitz first submarine command.
My grandfather serviced on the USN submarine S-27; he told me that his time on this boat was the reason he left his naval career.
A Holland submarine can also be found in Paterson, New Jersey, USA
Both the original Holland I prototype and the Fenian Ram still exist and can been seen at the Paterson Museum.
I've seen the preserved example at the museum in Gosport, it's a great museum and a fun day out (you used to be able to get tickets that let you into that, “The museum of naval firepower” at the old gunpowder factory, and the Royal Armoires Artillery collection at Fort Nelson on a single ticket), the funniest bit being (when I went back in 2015 or so) that due to nearby naval facilities that were still in use, there is was an example periscope you could actually use but it had black signs arranged around it to tactically block out bits of your view stop you peering into things you shouldn’t.
Royal armouries at fort Nelson is actually free, and well worth a visit.
I think there were and still are various deals that include the various museums in Portsmouth harbour and a ferry to get to see all of them
Well, there's a heck of a coincidence. You go and do a 5 or less video barely two days after @vbbsmyt puts up a draft version for part 2 of his technical animation for the Holland, lol.... But head there if you'd like to see how the Holland and its various systems were operated.
The Hajen U-boat (Shark in English) is on display at the Marine museum in Karlskrona
Oh boi, its my favorite sinking death trap
Sinking and slipping tows on the way to scrapping... boat after boat is like, "Aw hell no, you ain't scrapping me!"
There should be a law that says if it escapes while being sent to the breakers it automatically becomes a museum ship.
The Warspite method?
I believe another of Holland's early subs was found recently in Long Island Sound, where it too sank while on route to the scrap yard. There are hopes to also raise that example.
So long way from the Holland class submarine to the Virginia class.
For 100 years only 🎉
Canada built 10 H boats for Britain and were sailed across the Atlantic in 1915. The transatlantic crossings made by the H-boats were the first ever undertaken by submarines.
Built in Montreal by Vickers.
Hajen, aj is pronounced aye in Swedish, like in aye aye captain.
Last time was this early the Kamchatka had boxes of binoculars
We do have rugby on the other side of the pond!!
Ah yes, John Holland. "Crackpot" inventor who built his prototypes in Paterson, NJ, and tested them in the Passaic River.
What were the dive limits on the Holland's? Did they utilize some primitive form of periscope? I wonder what the German navy thought of them? Really fascinating vessels.
Dive depth of 75 feet. It did have a periscope that had a mechanism to switch between a view of the external compass and to navigate/spot ships, check out the 3d renders by @vbbsmyt.
It's so nice to see my uncle's Legacy live on.. Absolutely brilliant video.
On the American sub picture, the torpedo hatch looks like a sealion proboscis. 😂
I think the whole sub looks like a parrotfish from that angle.
1:34 - you cant tell me that doesn't look like Sam the Eagle
...or like a egg, for the rest of the world xD
It's outside the era you cover but for a lark, The Space Battleship Yamato?
Maybe for an April the 1st video?
April 1st would be a good day to release on
He's done the Klingon B10 Battleship and HMS Thunderchild from War of the Worlds for April 1'st, so why not?
A dynamite gun on the sub. Did not know that.❤
They were all the rage in the 1890s. Use compressed air to launch a large, thin-walled projectile packed with dynamite. The US Navy even sent a ship built around a massive, centerline dynamite gun to Cuba during the Spanish-American war. And, yes, the detonation of the projectiles was terrifyingly powerful. Getting them to land anywhere within a country mile of the target, however, was an exercise in frustration. The ship deployed to created some rather impressive holes in Cuban hillsides and scared the pants off Spanish soldiers along the "could you imagine what would happen if one of those things actually hit us?" principle, but was otherwise about as useful as a screen door on a space shuttle.
April 11, 1900, is the US Submarine force birthday, from the first Holland
It's incredible how quickly time flies when you watch such fascinating videos. Looking forward to more!😀😀😀 % ♂️*
The Lake designs seemed to have superior features to the Hollands, But the admiralty couldn't get past the wheel features. That might be one to cover.
With such a short range and low speed it would have been great as a blockade breaker or for harbor attacks (with a tender ship a few km away).
The small size would also be beneficial since they could sneak up closer to use they few Torpedos efficiently.
Fascinating as always
"They were readied for possible engagement of the 2nd Pacific Squadron"
Kamchatka: THERE I AM, GARY! THERE I AM!
Yup there was a big discussion at the time to know if being thrown at with binoculars was or not a casus belli 😂
Imagine: Kamchatka taken out by the one "torpedo boat" she didn't see!
Except, now, real torpedo boats, and not imagined ones.
The moment I've been waiting for had come! To prove that Admiral's Binoculars didn't die in vain!
I remember this being featured in a Clive Cussler novel I read a long time ago. I never knew it was a real thing until way after
Reloading the torpedoes must have been a nightmare in a hull that small & cramped.
Hajen = The Shark
Time team did an episode on the X1 , oddly , at no point was the foreign origin (Irish and American ) of this submarine mentioned
X1 would be a midget submarine from WWII, probably of similar size, but a different craft. (unless it is a cruiser submarine, the RN habit of reusing names can be confusing)
@@chrissouthgate4554I believe that the X-craft series of WWII midget submarines started with X-5. X-1 to X-4 were various eXperimental submarines, that I've slightly lost track of. I think one of them may have been a submarine aircraft carrier.
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Great video, Drach...👍
Great video as always!
Was rather hoping Drach would do Intelligent Whale to follow up his recent vintage and experimental early submarines.
You and I both know it is the concept that is the usual sticking point. The men who understand the concept are always the key. The Holland design had the entire concept, from Holland to the latest nuke, all figured out. We need a propulsion system suited to underwater operation , as well as an alternate propulsion on the surface so that pursuit was a possibility. As Holland had no conception of nukes, his answers have stood the test of time.
The only thing was that propulsion, which is merely applying horsepower, was in its infancy. Fast battleships are less a result of better ship design than far better propulsion systems and the dedication to allow it. 300,000 HP, necessary for fast battleships, was not a possibility before WWI. Now that is a fraction of what US aircraft carrier blow through all day long.
Propulsion is everything. Horsepower is everything. The World Wars saw development of power as never seen before. Or since. All the rest is simple engineering.
Primitive submarines would be a great aid to teaching new seamen. Even Britain's X Subs were scrapped for sheer lack of intelligence.
The Som/Fulton prototype in Russian service apparently sank in Swedish territorial waters, beginning the history of Russian submarine incursions. It was discovered in 2021.
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But my company ordered one with Dynamite Guns! I don't want torpedoes! I want dynamite guns!
Wow, I had no idea his design's made it into so many Navies. Thanks Drach, you always deliver the goods!❤
That must have been confusing for anyone asking our Dutch navy..
'We have a Holland-class submarine!'
'Ah, your own design?'
'No, from America.'
'So.. HNLMS Holland then?'
'No, O1'
'01?'
'O, yes'
' Ah'
Great content as usual. A couple of suggestions for ships to review. Sorry if you've already done them, I've only be subscribed for 2 years. Firstly HMS Bellerophon - David Cordingly's book Bill Ruffian is very good. Also, from a slightly later period, could we learn more about HMS Pinafore.
I used to have a memorial commemoration card mourning the loss of HMS A-1, the next generation of Holland boats. I found it in a ruined cottage in Pembroke in 1974 but I don't know what became of it.
The opening in the photo at 1:24 is not the bow torpedo tube, but the "dynamite gun". These were basically giant air rifles firing some sort of jellied dynamite load. There was a dedicated ship called USS Vesuvius that had a fixed battery of these guns used in the invasion of Cuba 1898. The guns were extremely inaccurate and air pressure took long to build up but since there was no report or muzzle flash they had some psychological impact on spanish troops ashore.
I have always liked the Holland boats.
I look forward to Drachinifel's deep dive 😄 on Mr. Holland and his submarines.
Were the dynamite guns the same type, though presumably smaller, pneumatic guns fitted to USS Vesuvius?
Amazing coincidence. Yesterday I came across the Holland submarines in another video, and spent the evening reading up on the type, and its influence on subsequent ("sub"sequent?) designs.
And now this video.
Also, I'm Dutch, which makes "Holland" sound extra good to me ☺️
407 weeks... making me feel old! Must be running out of ship types by now surely though drach?
So this is what a Holland-type submarine is. Until now I had always thought the "Holland" part was derived from the region of Holland, and as such I always thought they were made in the Netherlands
The most recent Beta test version for Ultimate Admiral Dreadnoughts, made it hideously expensive to build dreadnoughts, and shortened the campaign setup period from 3 years to 2 years to minimize loading times - which turned out to be insufficient time for the AI nations to even build dreadnoughts - with the end result being that at the start of an early campaign, nations had just a handful of cruisers - and literally hundreds of torpedo boats and submarines.
Many of us rather quickly nicknamed this proposed update the "Kamchatka Nightmare Scenario".
There is no "sch" sound in the name Hajen. Try pronouncing it as "high-jenn".
Like saying hello to Jenny, or asking if she's baked:
Hi Jen!
High, Jen?
(But without the pauses)
That the wreck was found, recovered, preserved, and can be visited makes me ... happy.
A fairly awesome start for submarines in general for the Navies that took part in purchasing these subs & having them in service. They helped to show the stealth of subs for coastal defense at the very least & how important further developments COULD lead to.
I have seen one of these in the flesh at Gosport's Royal Navy Submarine Museum and been inside her, and its quite cramped and I am amazed how you fit on the wheels, engines, periscopes, crew etc in something so cramped and noisy.
Glad too hear one of these was preserved in a museum. Even if was only because it sank before it could be scarped.
I also looked weird at "holland submarines"
Either Dutch, or Nederlandse, but then you see the weird holland subs.
I remember seeing the U-1cutaway at the Duetches Museum. It really gave me the creeps
When I saw Holland 1 she was outside, alongside HMS Alliance but this was a few decades ago.
After Plongeur and Hollands, are Nordenfelts coming next?
Ah, the start of the sewer-pipe navy. Excellent video.
And then the French!
The French copy no one, and nobody copies the French...
Of course the Dutch had adopt the Holland class.....
Nobody wants to build the "Turtle II?"
Sub looks so cute!!
I've got a niece who was literally "Aww-struck" at first sight of this!
Or a Canadian football for those of us North of the 49th.
Wonderful video Drach!
Would love a longer video on the Hollands
I really enjoy this intro music the best
love the photos you found for this...
688 views in 16 minutes!!🇺🇸😎🔥
thx! more early subs please
dynamite gun....i love it
68th, 28 September 2024
Yay preservation.
100 views in just 3 minutes. That’s popularity
too short! ...more on this 😊
Thanks Drach.
The can surface…… .
Great Stuff !
Thanks Drach
Top!
Nice
I wonder what kind of people could put to sea in a contraption like that.
Prototype bubbleheads?
:)
I just have to wonder… how did you talk someone to get in these early Boats? Haha
Extra pay!
You don't have to. Let's the money talk. They would do a way better job than you! 😆😆😆
You had to be kind of an adventurous type. Very non-traditional Navy. They still are pretty different odd bunch.
I recall that an early submarine inventor built one with wheels to roll on the bottom (he tested it in a large pond/small lake, IIRC). Was that Holland?
IIRC, that was Simon Lake.
That's the other great sub inventor. Simon Lake.
@@WALTERBROADDUSI'd like Drac to do a Lake Class sub next (assuming somebody's navy bought one)
@@briancampbell3742 we do seem to be having sort of a submarine September thing going on....
Actually, I recalled some navies did... but it was more about Lake's practice of diving while staying horizontal, versus plunging nose down first, that Holland and others preferred. Outside of the USN's now retired NR1, I don't know of many who actually used wheels!
Still waiting for the conclusion to the destroyer development series been waiting over a year now whats another year…
And cruisers too
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What were those fairings for?