On generations. I don’t believe they’re referring to generations in the sense of parents and children but rather iterations. Presumably the second generation encompasses everyone from the fall of Lost Central to now, the first were completely wiped out before that and the third are the Meteorn. So Aina is 2nd and Garoa was also 2nd because they’re classed in that bracket. Note that Zephetto mentions initiating a 4th generation after your fight.
Going back as far as Phantasy Star Universe, Photons are known to react to "psychic" factors. Emotions and Willpower are both stated to help in that respect, but there seems to be some other requirement that was engineered into the ARKS to be able to fully utilize it. This is also why for the most part we need photon weapons as a focus to be able to deal damage or cast techniques, while the most powerful (or emotionally charged) are able to channel photon power without a weapon, like what we do at the end of the Aegis fight. Regarding 909, the player is 909, while Aina is a descendant of the 2nd-generation Garoa. TECHNICALLY that should make her 3rd generation, but I think Zephetto is talking about product lines and not family generations. Zephetto is surprised at seeing her power come close to ours despite not actually being made with the 3rd-generation template that created us. That also makes me think of the generations of ARKS in the base PSO2. I think Maria and some others talked a bit about it. The first generation of ARKS were mostly useless with Photons, with some extremely rare instances of powerful individuals (The first council of six). The second generation had a much higher success rate, but it mostly evened out as while there were more of them that were effective, many weren't able to come close to the amount of power that the Council had. They also were very specific in the ways they could control photons, which is why many of them are stuck with one class. The Guardian is the first of the third generation, who are not only more powerful than the 2nd, they're also more adaptable. This is where the Successor/Scion classes come from, who blend elements of all other classes.
Gonna turn this story into a warhammer 40k story lol. I do love that he mentions that peace is what made us weak meaning what we accomplished in base game did in fact create happiness but in doing so our blades dulled because we never faced anything powerful
Weren't the motherships in the base game literally built around living planets Xion and Xiao? This isn't even new for PSO2. and the smaller ships had entire cities in them.
Regarding Halpha, I've had the exact same idea for quite a while. Given that the motherships in base PSO2 were pretty much "conscious planets," the ultimate purpose of Halpha may be to become the mothership of a new fleet. One problem we do face with NGS specifically though is the open-world nature, so if we get new planets and everyone just goes there for the new content, then Halpha as we know now will just become an abandoned empty map with no one around 🤔
And in an earlier Phantasy Star game, there was a group of bundled lands that was a ship, almost identical to Halpha. I'm referring to Alisa III from Phantasy Star III. Given that Dark Falz is based off of the early games' Falz, I think it's entirely likely that Zephetto took ideas from even more branches of Phantasy Star lore.
I agree, we might be looking at the construction of a new Oracle fleet, with Halpha as the mothership and Leciel at the head. If we get control of the DOLLS, we'd basically have an infinite workforce for constructing our ships.
I imagine that once they introduce life skills like fishing (notice none of the seafood is fish, it's definitely coming), farming, harvesting, and creative space, the purpose of Halpha will be the hub to build an ecosystem and the planets we visit from our new mothership will be instanced dungeons for the best of both worlds.
From how I understand it, Aina is NOT the second generation of 909, she's just a second generation of the Arks. I'm also taking it as every 100 years or so is a generation of the Arks defenders.
imo everyone in halpha right now is 2nd generaton arks(like ps2) productions,they live and breed for years and our protag is the new product launched aka gen 3 arks (like ps3)
So with the generation thing, I think it's important to remember that Zephetto set a number of years. So the fleet existed 1000 years ago in TOTAL. The exact time was 500 years ago for when the Starless killed them, then it would have been 200 years preparing the experiment, because Zeph mentioned it being 300 long years of experimenting. That 300 years would consist of gen 1 ,2 and 3. This means Gen 1 probaly made the foundation of everything, for example lost cental in Kvaris that the twins grandpa studied and copied bases from. This also explains why none of gen 2 understood these structures they were copying, because gen 1 was entirely dead, this also means gen 2 lasted for several of its own generations. Consider Retem and how many they lost along with Naderah having a family line. Plus Mannon and Aina knew each other for years. So Gen 2 had to be around for at least 100 years or so, passing on teachings and building off gen 1 ruins, leading to the VERY recent creation of gen 3 at the END of the 300 years.
909 is exclusive to us. It's not a universal code given to other generations. Our code is our tag, I'm sure each clone has their own respective personal codes as well. I'm also positive that even though we are clones, it's obvious that over the years of this experiment , families were created. Meaning we are just as human as anyone. So Aina being 2nd gen doesn't mean Garoa couldn't be 2nd Gen too. It just means he gave birth to a 2nd Gen daughter (probably has to do with their DNA). We don't really know much of her mother either, so there could be something there. But overall, this revelation that almost everyone on Halpha is essentially manufactured humans Sparks a huge ideology debacle on if they truly are "human" or not. I'm sure we'll see that exact sentiment be questioned in the next episode.
So Castra's de-weaponization of photons is the cause of all this, in my opinion anyway. But yeah the story just escalated really good, the only complaint that I have is Zepheto just live and gone that fast like I felt "that's it?".
I may have also enjoyed the story, but I agree, Zephetto left me feeling an emptiness of his existence, he tests our strength, then soon after sacrifices himself to give us a chance to prepare for combating the Starless. In the way he didn't get enough screentime, is not too different than some modern day Sonic franchise villains, such as Mephiles from 06, or Infinite from Sonic Forces, both villains also didn't get enough screentime before their encounters, being completely absent early game, only to appear later and get the end of them setup in a way they cannot return to once again fill a role. At least Zephetto dumped upon us plot twists and lore
Garoa was second generation, they said that people from second generation that survived formed the "arks" we meet from all the region. And the thing with generations is nothing something about "dad and son" but the "clone process", so every son of the second generation is still considered second generation, because they dont get the upgrades we did, so probably the third generation are only the meteorns.
I wonder since their commander is "gone" what will happen to the resurgence staff running the calculations and stuff? They were clearly unbothered by our presence and we now have an active teleporter to them. Does this mean they will be integrated into the current Arks along with their knowledge and technology? Will dolls end up being reprogrammed to fight with us against the Starless, and worst yet if the Starless get past Zephetto (if he isn't already dead) will they use the dolls against us in much more amped up versions along with the Starless, something like Luminmechs?
Considering the Waker Class effectively summons mini DOLL units as some of it's attacks, I don't think it's completely out of the question that the DOLLs can be reworked to aid the ARKS defenders. I agree with your guesses
This chapter actually reminded me of a optional conversation you have with ilma in ch 4. He talks about how all of the cities are built on the existing blueprints of "central cannon" and they all have the parts for it, which made me immediately think that central cannon is actually originally based on arks ship technology
Speaking of which, since Zephetto survived the Starless attack 500 years ago, there is a chance that they might bring back other survivors from the Oracle fleet or old familiar faces from Base as survivors of the attack as well.
Wonder what the lifespan is for ARKS is then. Can't imagine any npcs aside from Casts to survive for so long, though wouldn't mind if they showed up. Bit cliche, but imagine if you meet Xiera and she mistakens you as your base pso2 guardian, only to be heartbroken and realize that you are just a clone of them. Maybe have a Masked Persona esque moment and meet your past "self" with them passing on the torch from your base self to NGS self. Or just have Risa show trying to kill you.
@@vietboilee3 we can probably assume ARKS live much longer lives than the usual humans, though i'm mainly basing this off how characters just doesn't age despite the time skips in base. The one characters we certainly can't have anymore are the Earth characters unless they do a weird time shenanigan.
I'm calling it now, we're not going to space. Space is coming to us, in the form of refugees from the starless attacks. The dolls are going to go out of control without Zephetto. So we're going to try to boot up the Arks clones in order to fight off the starless.
SEGA can really make an interesting story if they really put their work into. Like in base game, the story is so good especially at mid of ep5 and ep6 when they started introducing photoner, akashic record, etc. And it is a good thing NGS is continuation of base game.
The "Matrix" enemy with the ring I forget the exact name but it's basically Marionette, so the ring on the back would be a reference to the tool used to manipulate the doll.
Zephetto is a play on with the whole Pinocchio theme. so in pinnochio the guy who creates him is gepetto. gepetto is a woodcarver who makes things out of wood such as dolls and nicknacks. Zephetto makes dolls and if i didnt mistakenly hear he also made our character(generation 3) i think. the name says it all you know new genesis. new origin which should give context leaving the old behind what old you may ask well whatever was before what we have before which is base PSO2.
6:00 My theory for about a couple years now is that Halpha is a water planet and the continent we are on is the ship. 1 water planet that is housing a single, giant continent with multiple biomes? Kinda sus! Also the rings around Stia is totally a warp gate.
Genuinely think what Sega is going for is that we are a clone of the original guardian. This way they could easily explain why we can hop between games without having seperate characters. Also with us having the "perfect" photon reactions falling in line with how we were basically the hard carry for ARKS in base. Also loved the Starless reveal as it reminded me a lot of the Shiva reveal of ep6. A long dormant force that just seeks pure destruction and shows up just to wipe the floor with us and send a message.
Had this conversation too. No chance in hell Halpha was the ONLY ARKS Experiment. I can guarantee that we will come across another planet in this solar system called something with Beta in the name. Like, Zebeta. And it will be about boosting their ARKS experiment through to get a force back for this new big bad.
Chapter 5 definitely is getting me invested into the NGS story. Episode 1 of NGS was quite a lot shorter than Episode 1 in Base PSO2, so it makes me wonder if we're going to have more episodes than 6 in NGS. I wouldn't mind that at all. What I expect to happen in Episode 2 is that we remain on Halpha for that episode as well, but we'll be dealing with Starless enemies instead. Perhaps, like in Base how switching between episodes changes the lobby, switching between episodes changes the world. We would still have shared hub areas, but for those in Episode 2 would be fighting Starless in the field instead of Dolls.
I noticed during the Zephetto simi-reveal (pre-fight, during the Manon cutscenes) shows him in a room that looks nearly identical to Xiera's control room; that is to say, it looks like a typical ARKS ship control room. I doubt they simply reused assets, that's an important detail. After all, Central's control room is reminiscent of an ARKS ship room, but not very similar. Zephetto's control room is nearly identical to the one we saw visiting the Bridge during story mode. Likely, Leciel is either capable of generating dimensional doorways, or Halpha is indeed a moveable vessel - or contains one. We may also have not seen the last of Zephetto. His sacrifice seems to be a call-back to Goroa's charge on Dark Falz. A lot of people still believe Goroa is somehow still alive. And if that's the case, Zeph's lore dump and subsequent kamikaze into the Starless spearhead assault could also indicate he's alive. Maybe. If we do go to space, we may be seeing him again (as a prisoner?). And with the DOLLS threat virtually "neutralized", we may begin to see DOLLS working with us in Operations. I could see SEGA keeping them around as training "dummies" for new ARKS (new players) and their roles of enemies in VR. But if they do join us, "merging" with DOLLS via data/manufacturing might be how we get NGS' version of Dark Blast. Newly manufactured DOLLS with mutations (or corruptions). At the very least, we should see them help us fight the Starless forces going forward in new content. It doesn't make sense moving forward for possibly millions of durable, expendable, reproduceable forces to continue to be aimed at US when the experiment "is ended" and a greater threat is coming.
That's the thing - there is no "other" ARKS out there. We are all what's left. And that Starless is not "people" - it literally looks like Profound Darkness kinda thing, phenomenon or whatever that sentient black hole was... Starless Darkness, maybe lol?
Soooo ummm who said Helpha is a planet??? If you played Phantasy Star 3 and 4 you find out that there’s several “ships” (that do not look like our old fleet) that until you got outside looked like planets. We may in fact be one of those non oracle fleet ships…
Something tells me Zephetto is hiding something about why the 3rd gen ARKS is working compared to the previous ones, he might have modeled our NGS character after the old legendary ARKS Guardian. So i guess our NGS character is a clone but thats just what i can put as headcanon until they made any confirmations.
Nice to see that the story is getting better, I stopped playing before the fire region got released because I was bored of the story but after watching this video I plan to play again.
I don't think we're done with Halpha just yet, considering the final cutscenes, and ep2 has us pushing back on the Starless that rock up on Halpha. I guess OG ARKS never truly considered there would be threats other than primordial darkness until it showed up at their doorstep. They let themselves go, and they (and the rest of the universe) paid the price.
I think he means 2nd Production version when he says Generation. Version 1 got obliterated, Version 2 survived long enough to make offspring. Version 3 is us.
just additional things here, keroppi: Generation here is more like waves or models --> so it's not a literal generation. An experiment waves if you would. Wave 1, dead. Wave 2 --> Garoa or maybe Garoa's ancestor till Aina the last of her gen. Then comes us, the 3rd Gen RA9G3-T909, which is roughly deciphered as RA9G3-T909 Resurgent ARKS 9(or maybe Sector 9) Generation 3 - Test Number 909. Why i strongly believe in the Sector is because Zephetto was known as the commander. A commander, commands something, and i believe he's not the only one, hence multiple sectors makes sense to me. Especially since halpha is more like the Wet Dream of Flat Earther, you can see everything, surrounded by sea, with no visible boundaries. Which only means that either PSO2 somehow found a flat earth or we're in a simulation. Im betting on the latter. Anyways, yeah, it's a frickin fun turn of events.
Maybe Sega did re-hire the pso2 base writer again, it hinted after chapter 4 stia especially on side stories, something different about the style of the writer going to tell us, in my opinion tho.
I have to say that maybe I got an advantage of starting NGS close to the Stia release and didn't have to wait too much to get to this point of the story that I didn't really felt too bored... that and ALSO that I did Oracle's side of it's story to keep myself busy during that time as well (started on October 2022 FYI... again), and oh boi... Chapter 5 really was a blast even if it was too short, sure, it starts with a modified Battle of Halphia Lake UQ but things escalate just as quick as the short chapter, I can't wait to see how this evolves in June, and there's still the question about if Garoa is really history or he's still somewhere in hiding... or anything, who really knows...
I feel that what they've done in Chapter 5 in NGS right now is the same thing that essentially they did in Classic PSO2 Episode one up to the Elder incident. If I remember correctly pretty much everything until then has just been.............talking getting to know the other ARKS operatives, the only other unique thing I can remember happening was finding Matoi and fighting the Mysterious Masked person. So I'm not surprised this is how it went with NGS, though I do think they did drag us on the ride all over Halpha for a bit too long Note: I say specifically "up to the Elder incident" because if what I heard from the old JP players is correct, the Quna arc that came after that (but was still categorized as part of Episode 1) was added later in the middle of Episode 2 or something like that
I'm curious how long did it take them to finish episode 1 in base? And i suppose NGS taking longer is mainly thanks to having to design the open world environment being more of a struggle than the old instanced dungeons
@@Sharicite that I don't know. I only came back to the game in 2018 when I found out about tweaker and being able to play on the JP servers. Before that I was only able to play on the SG servers, which was not only horrible, but also like way behind in terms of content (JP just got Braver around that time, the SG server quite literally barely just began with Episode 1) Edit: I just checked, it took almost exactly 1 year. PSO2 was released July 2012, Episode 2 was released 2013 also on July. Scope wise I think Classic and NGS is quite similar, Classic kinda had an edge from having somewhat procedurally generated levels, which makes going around the levels more unique each time.
@@Sharicite If memory severs me right Ep1 for base took about 9-15 months, I think during a interview Sakai even say he push the team a bit too hard given how much they pushed out that year 1. The Core issues with NGS and I'm not justify any of the following actions I feel they were full mistakes on sega on all fronts NGS drop way to early and came out barebone but given they had a drought for so long in base (I still think a side-story for Ep6 woulda help this) I understand why NGS came out when and how it did... however this retroactively has made a good bit of the updates deal with adding stuff that shoulda been at the start. NGS didn't know what it wanted to be for the longest time, heck and while Chapter 5 was great I still not 100% sold it knows yet but ill hope on cope that is finally found it pace and ID Lastly this is a bit of a Boomer rage baby JP gaijin statement but I feel Global got a bit spoiled as when they finally got the game they had ep1-3 (mind you took us about 4 years to see that) then got Ep4 3-4 months later follow by Ep5 and then Ep6 not so shortly after given this illusion that how content would normally drop for Phantasy star online 2 and that wasn't the case like ever.
@@thestrunzy5585 your last point is pretty much correct, Global players got a lot of content super fast compared to how it was originally in JP so their expectations are screwed when NGS dropped giving everyone the JP experience.
remember what Xio really is? He is a planet-size mothership of the PSO2 Ark fleet, we already have a planet spaceship in the lore of the base game. corrupted emotion of ancient Photoner is what created dark photons and subsequently the first incarnation of Profound Darkness in the base game so yes strong emotion does interact with photon.
Its kinda funny that ending of the story mirrors that of Sonic Frontier's but oh well I mean they are both SEGA titles lol. The 909 is just a Test number 909 means we are like the 909th test subject since 0. We are the closest to the ARKS Defender Prime and when we defeated Zephetto, he confirmed that we had over 100% photon sensitivity which is probably on par or even above that of Base PSO2 Guardian which was formerly our own character. That just means we'll have to switch our defenses towards the Starless enemy and maybe the main Starless antagonist or Big Boss behind all those things happened 500 years ago will be revealed when the Day of Judgement arrives. By then I believe our story will be preparing against that threat and exploring outside of Halpha to seek other survivng ARKS to regroup.
I just realized something funny but even Base PSO2's story mirrors Chain Chronicles both being Sega's properties around the same time of release and both having the same plot beat and even twists (main character turns evil due to dead heroine)
Funny enough, I got the same vibe with Frontiers and New Genesis. Every island in Frontiers having a big boss, which mirrors PSO2NGS' regions with their main Doll enemy, and a big threat at the end of it all that said big bosses were designed in response to. And don't get me started on the designs of the islands and the regions. ...Huh.
Seeing as how dark falz in the base game was the manifestation of negative emotions turned into photons, the use of emotions in the plot would make sense.
NGS Ash gotta be connected to OG Ash, they look similar, have the title of Guardian, and sneaking tendencies. I wouldn't be surprised if they brought back Matoi through time travel or in spirtual form as a support character
im gonna say it did anyone else gets crazy twisted casara vibes from zephettos phrasing and gestures. chapter 5 was soo good, we got answers about ourselves, halpha and a big bad all in one chapter, it really feels like were out of the prologue and about to step into something very good. so as to the generations, at a guess i would assume zephetto is talking about a genetic template, with each sub number being a specific iteration (we are TG (somethnig)- 909) so the native halphanites are decendents of the surviving 2nd generation, our template is different to them, most likely picked from the strongest/most adaptable/photon sensetive people of the 2nd geenration, as he told the computer to do just that with our dna before he jetted of to blast the vanguard starless in his big boss suit.
In base game we were early 3rd gen, and latter 3rd genners came up with new classes and even scion classes. Can't help but think the soon-to-be 4th genners gonna bring scion classes with them after they gain their footing.
What I got is this. 1. We are a clone of the PSO2 3rd attempt. So is I am thinking all current meterons. 2. The others if you check are 2cd gen clones and their children since they survived Dark Falz 300 years ago. 3. The experiment has lasted for 500 so no idea where 1000 years came from as even Sega removed the 1000 reference on website. 4. I might be mistaken but he asked where 909 was. We are the only 909 unless I am mistaken. Also since Dreamcast, I noticed a trend that anytime people get to a certain level of photons a catastrophe occurs to balance things out that is triggered by dispair. In this line he caused the return of the starless by making our chars so powerful because ark folks are Stoopid. I hope Lucian is our vessel; I miss being on a ship that sees into outer space. Plus I want the weaker civilians as far away from ark photon users as possible to keep them safe.
Zepetto (kinda) mentioned that Aina is 2nd generation, so my guess is Garoa is 2nd generation too, i think every starter of generation is created on lab, yeet onto halpha and able to procreate but unable to breakthough the photon sensitivity cap for their offspring,.(im not sure what gen Manon is tho) so i can guess that the 4th gen is going to be more powerful and i do kinda wonder if we are going to pass the torch (from our current character) to the new gen and create new character for the next episode.
I was also interested in learning more about the 909 thing and the generations. If we I guess are genetically grown like matrix style, it not far to we can also be cloned. Maybe Garoa could come back as the 4th gen Arks, being created stronger than before. It seems like things are getting to spicy for the pepper:)
i like it when i look at other chapters it was our potential build up i think it was emotions and anything under it. how we get to other planets remember the girl said when she was opening the teleporter to go to the floating island "it a unlimited range teleporter" that means you can teleport any where from that teleporter.
Worse, the Starless can very much be something of an old enemy from base: The Photoners. Keep in mind, we know that many became a part of Xion, and we know that many were subsumed into the Profound Darkness. And the Photoners were considered assholes by and large. How likely is it that those who weren't subsumed into Shiva or became a part of Xion are now back?
I think ARKS doesn't really exist anymore outside Halpha, could be wrong by what Zephetto said everyone got fucked up by these starless including ARKS. So at best there's probably some other planets with people scattered around but they aren't ARKS, could be wrong but who knows. From what i understood the people in Halpha are just clones which explains why certain characters seem like 'copies' of another ones. Nadareh for a example might be a clone of Quna or something or Manon might be a Quna copy from a different generation. With the generation thing, i think if a second generation reproduces the offspring is still second generation. The 3rd was probably the third attempt that Zephetto did by perfecting the cloning formula or something, i don't remember if Aina was 909 as well i'm suspecting she's a clone of Matoi maybe, but Garoa was also very powerful from what people said in the story to the point he cut through dolls like they were butter so maybe he was also a 909 from the 2nd generation. But if she is 909 i think that's clear evidence that 909 is our pso2's character DNA or something.
The way I see it, not all of Oracle was lost. Zephetto mentioned that after the Starless attacked, everyone other than Resurgent ARKS just forgot and move on... implying that there are MORE elements of the Oracle Fleet that survived, but didn't share Zephetto's vision. Many spoilers for Base Story ahead, but the quick summary is that the Oracle Fleet has a very long history of surviving having its unprepared ass handed to it. You might recall that Oracle is often infamously horrible in space battles. Easily dozens, if not hundreds, of ARKS City-Ships (I sometimes think of them as rough equivalents to Asuryani "Craftworlds" because they haven't got much weaponry or built-in defenses but carry entire populations in space) are wiped out in the Base Game's [Elder] battle, not to mention the Photoners effectively more than halving the strength of ARKS in the opening battle alone. The Starless don't seem to be nearly as impactful as the Photoners due simply to scale - the restoration of Shiva alone generated a physics-defying singularity that was on track to consuming at least two universes, not to mention that the Photoners were able to effectively wage war across two universes. And in the beginning, mostly win, across those universes. Compared to the Starless, whose cost in lives numbers less than a trillion and only menaced 50 star systems... the Starless seem pretty tame. The "old ARKS" that Zephetto is trying to emulate has had its ass handed to it countless times already, including the Oracle Fleet. It seems unlikely to me that the Starless obliterated all of ARKS' space power if their kill count and scope of influence is so low. This next part is comparing apples and oranges, though. 50 star systems is like saying that they obliterated a faction just larger than the size of the UNSC (the UNSC has, what, 32 confirmed star systems, likely more unconfirmed (but not by much), and now, holdings on Forerunner constructs such as the Ark (which to our knowledge is still being contested)), or a less than half of the United Federation of Planets near TNG times (IIRC), or something similar. It's an achievement to be sure, but in the scope of science fiction, that's really underwhelming, especially when Base PSO2 had you save the entire universe several times. I don't remember of Zephetto said "50" or another number. Of course, most of Oracle's population lived on city-ships, and any significant fraction of the Oracle Fleet and its associated planets probably has more people than the entire UNSC, even accounting for human population growth over five centuries - the higher the quality of life, the slower the birth rate seems to get. Thus, comparison to the UNSC is probably not fair, but the UNSC didn't control that many planets. As it that wasn't bad enough, there are cases where sci-fi factions with even less power and influence than your Base game adversaries cause more damage than the Starless did overall, but in the span of a single battle (for reference, the Yuuzhan-Vong War in Star Wars Legends was fought exclusively in one galaxy, and had 365 trillion deaths on the defenders' side alone; even accounting for the Milky Way being smaller than the Star Wars galaxy (assuming Oracle was stationed in the Milky Way), the planet Coruscant has a larger population (1 trillion) than died to the Starless (hundreds of billions), i.e. when the Vong rendered Coruscant unlivable, they killed more people in one battle than the Starless did in a war, while the Vong are much less of a threat than the Profound Darkness or the Photoners ever were, threatening only one galaxy at a time rather than one or multiple universes). I'm more interested in what happened to the Mothership, since those are much harder to replace, as well as being one of ARKS' greatest tactical advantages. I'm also losing my mind over the fates of Base game characters that I've grown attached to, some of whom I hold as personal role models and others I'd viewed as close friends... TL;DR: Zephetto's speech implies that some fraction of ARKS survived that ISN'T included in his own Resurgent ARKS faction. The Oracle Fleet has suffered near-total destruction before, at the hands of greater threats, so it wouldn't be unreasonable that in the 500 years since the last Judgment Day, Oracle (or some new interstellar organization) has at least partially rebuilt itself. *The Federation, at the referenced time, had 110-130 member states, each one possibly accounting for several star systems.
I think we are clones if you remember the scene before you go fight the final boss there was a room full of pods and Aina try looking in one but never got the chance I think that's the fourth generation keep up the good work
I still think Halpha is itself an ARKS ship. Yes we see the planet horizon on Leciel, but that could be an illusion, or this is a new class of exceptionally huge ARKS ship or Mothership Xiao itself. Alternatively… Halpha’s map kinda resembles Parma’s from the original Phantasy Star. So we’re in the Algol system and this is a prequel.
As well,there's a couple of easter eggs where you can hear 2 tunes from the original first Phantasy Star,for those that can remember that far back(played it so many times it was easy to figure it out.)
XxxxxSpoiledAlerTxxxxX . . . . . The NGS story link to the original pso2 after a thousand years has pass. A sad story.😢 Ps: looking forward to the next story.❤ (seeing the whole oracle fleet destroy by the enemy "Starless", I feel sad, lost, cry, angry ..... and furious! Everyone from the old pso2 is gone, matoi, patti, tia. Can't wait to smash those "Starless" thing!👿)
I swear, if the story end up as a cycle. I would not be surprised, just curious as to how the cycle work. Is it destined for something to try and destroy the universe, and someone is destined to stop it.
Anyone notice how the name Zephetto sounds like Geppetto, his "monsters" are called DOLLS, those Leciel operators act like lifeless puppets, and those new monsters are called "marioness" which sounds like marionette? So is the next new story character gonna be a robot boy with a long nose wearing lederhosen? Edit: and anyone notice how Zephetto's English voice sounds kinda like Regius?
I remember the New Year's letter mentioning introducing new "classes" in 2023. Makes me wonder if the Resurgent Arks will have classes different to how what we currently have. Are Resurgents the new scions?
If I remember correctly that was a mistranslation and the original only meant “a new class”, this isn’t uncommon as in the last headline The Dev team answer to why the class was named Slayer was based on “Luster couldn’t be used as a subclass”… which was a mistranslation from “Luster couldn’t use a subclass”
I'm still clinging to my idea that Halpha is the wreckage of one of the Oracle motherships. Remember, the original motherships, Xion and Xiao, _were_ water planets, which the motherships were built around. The little island zones of Halpha have always looked to me like they were built from a wrecked mothership, _especially_ all of the mechanical bits in Retem, like the city itself. I wouldn't be surprised if the Starless were more remnants of the Photoners, or some other failed experiment of Luther back in the good old days. The entire cloning/generation situation though sounds very much like they are trying to replicate the Guardian or Matoi from the base game. Remember, both of you in the original game were experimental life forms, manufactured to be incredibly powerful. It would not surprise me at all if the Zephetto was trying to recreate Luther's research that made the Guardian in the base game, here called "Arks Defender Prime." The one thing I _really_ want to know though.. How exactly are they introducing Dark Falz into this environment? That sounds like a really bad idea that cannot work well.
I’m hoping against hope that we’re finally going into space. But my current thoughts on how we get up there is through Resurgent Arks. The group Zephetto mentioned. I’m thinking due to his recent actions on Halpha RA comes down to see wassup then we gain the ability to space travel through them. Hopefully the beginning of EP2 or Ultra Evolution is a bit meatier than what we have received so far. Cuz while CHP5 was awesome it still was a bit short in my opinion.
Thats really linked with emotional. That's why sega made players so emotional these 2 years and tried to help them get stronger . If today you are still playing this game and yes you had reached the expectation for this new arks generation 🎉
I find it very hard to believe that the “Starless” just somehow utterly destroyed Base PSO2 Arks? They were so technologically advanced and they had so many OP/Intelligent/Very Strong Characters including the two main characters which was our character and Matoi. We defeated Shiva she was basically GOD in that universe and we by a miracle defeated her. Almost everything in Base PSO2 was way more impressive than anything I’ve seen in New Genesis in terms of there Power capabilities through gameplay and cutscenes.
And then they were nerfed because Casra is a pacifist dumbass who wanted to disarm all photon weaponry in his epilogue in EP6. Zephetto states that they were weakened by centuries of peace and unprepared for a new invasion.
Ok, I’ll have to come back. How recently was this added? It felt like a surprise to suddenly be called to fight Dark Falz outside of its urgent quest. I grinded my way to 3120 battle power because a veteran player friend wanted to train me up into their raid partner I think. I also like that my theory of the Dollz was correct.
BUT Lacial is the control center of Halpha. You cant just take it away. Thats what they were saying in the Story that Lacial controls everything on Halpha. You cant just take it away from Halpha. The planet will be screwed. UNLESS they do something else and make maybe like Lost Kvaris the Control Center of the planet as it was all this technology as it had the long range teleported to Lacial.
They gotta start paying you for advertising because I wasn't even gonna play the new story missions because I didn't think they were gonna hold any weight LoL loved it tho
I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, this is amazing. The story is finally picking up, a threat is established, despite the lackluster character development we've been getting we're finally starting to see just a hint of it, especially with the pacing and how everything was handled up to that point. All of these ideas and concepts too just seem so cool, but that's assuming this is its own story and not connected to Base game, which it seems like they said in advertising like PSO2 Comi that it is. My problem with that is that Base felt like a well, completed story already on its own. All the hard work, all the character development (I only finished up to Episode 5 but even then a lot has happened), I mean even the threat itself was massive and yet we banded together and united ARKS and reformed it even to withstand any future threats that would hit, exactly like the Starless. So, if what Zephetto is saying is true, that the Oracle fleet of Base got wiped and billions of soldiers were lost and such, that just seems...odd. You're telling me that over the period of peace, ARKS got lazy and too dependent on this technology and as such was wiped clean? All of the characters who were going to work towards a better future and re-shape ARKS in base to a much stronger and more united front? And yes, even removing those who couldn't live past 500 years or died by natural means, the ARKS crew of Base was already in the process of training and helping the next generation (not through experiments) to be prepared for something as powerful as the Falz in the event that the older members stepped down. It also just seems doesn't seem right for them to get lazy over a period of peace because in a sense, (SPOILERS for anyone who hasn't done episode 2 and such in Base), Luther himself was a perfect example of everyone just being lazy, which allowed him to slip in and perform as many experiments and such as he liked to get to Xion and eventually turn ARKS into his plaything. We haven't even considered all the allies met on these other planets and systems that supposedly got decimated, and the Falz were capable of doing just that and we somehow came out on top. The Ashmaiden, Xiao, Mother's Earthguides, there's just too much that has to be answered for them to say these Starless came and just wiped them all out clean, or that they suffered catastrophic destruction on a massive scale because they were too lazy during the period of peace. I just, really hope they have a way to either make this its own story, or do a superb job of connecting it to base without undermining everything that happened in that game, and all the completed character development that was there, because this is a REALLY cool concept! I love how this idea could go, with second generation Meteorns and third generation Meteorns, Experiment 909, all of that.
No no, Central city is just a part of a big ship which is underneath the ground of Central City. The "cannon" they have is just a gun that is on top of it.
So… at the end of PSO2… if us the guardian beat what was practically the entropy of the entire universe… HOW STRONG ARE THE STARLESS?!? Also, it’s hecka sad that Matoi, and everyone friend we made along the way may be dead now 😢😔
If I recall, didn't the Starless attack years after PSO2? Odds are if they did, everyone had likely aready passed from old age. They were powerful, not immortal. There's also the fact that Zephetto stated that Arks was nowhere near as strong as they were when the falspawn were the biggest problem.
Indeed, things did escalate quickly, and now the story finally feels like we matter for once. Can't wait to see what's next. As for Halpha, we did get a set up for us roaming through space on a "planet ship" as we now know there's at least one long range teleporter in Lost Central. If you consider Leciel to be the "bridge", then we're definitely on a planet ship. So, now that Zephetto is gone, can Casts get some of those plans for his parts?🙏🏿
Also, keep in mind that we've had Mining Rig Defense for many of the regions in Halpha. Such major mining that we need to defend for awhile so the mining rigs can get what it needs. Perhaps all of that was to gather supplies to aid in constructing something in some future chapter? I kinda stole this theory from someone else
11:22 I think Generation is used poorly here. It's clearly more like a model type, as Zephetto clearly calls the Generation 2 and Generation 3 characters models. Aina is referred to as a Generation 2 model, and we are referred to as a Generation 3 model. So less of a generational thing, and more like a model. I think it's a translation issue, as Kishimoto calls Sonic Frontiers the third generation of Sonic the Hedgehog, even though it's not really a generation. I'm going to take a wild stab at this and say that the word used is being mistranslated, and can mean generation in certain contexts, but I think Pillar or something like that would be better used. After all, Sega says that Classic Sonic is the first Generation, along with throwing the Adventure games into it. The Boost games are the second Generation, and the games following in the style of Frontiers is the third Generation. It doesn't really make sense with the word Generation, but if you use pillar or format or something of the like, it makes much more sense. Hope that helps clear things up!
So Garoa and Aina are both 2nd generation, because Aina is a 3rd generation *clone.* She is instead a natural offspring of the 2nd generation. She doesn't have the features of 3rd gen clones. I got confused by that too, at first, but then I realized a child of a 2nd gen wouldn't be a 3rd gen subject.
Copypasting this comment from a different video I feel like we won't be leaving Halpha for the immediate future The reason for the super slow release pace is that they released super early when the game shouldve released with most of the regions already finished, instead they had to spend all this time playing catch up. Throwing Halpha away and going to a whole new planet after all that would be a huge waste, and I think would probably result in the same super slow paced release schedule we've had so far. I think whats most likely to happen is that all the DOLLs enemies will be replaced by Starless and then the already existing assets for Halpha will be used for more instanced story content.
Basically the story ends with the mastermind of this grand experiment(or genocide) dies. And another baddie takes his place. With the floating island destroyed (or so it seams), we are STILL fighting DOLLs???🙄 Does that make sense to anyone? 🤔 OR we get another expansion...? Space battles on another planet? Or we go full on planet defense with different monsters? 😒 next PSO3??
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On generations. I don’t believe they’re referring to generations in the sense of parents and children but rather iterations.
Presumably the second generation encompasses everyone from the fall of Lost Central to now, the first were completely wiped out before that and the third are the Meteorn.
So Aina is 2nd and Garoa was also 2nd because they’re classed in that bracket.
Note that Zephetto mentions initiating a 4th generation after your fight.
So we're basically getting juniors like the scion class characters in base
We will shape that 4th generation. Zephetto said the future is in our hands.
@@Sharicite nah we gotta be varsity how we fighting 💪🏾
The story finally feels more phantasy star'ish and I'm so hyped what they have stored for us in the future!
So did the floating tower. It felt like a traditional pso level.
Going back as far as Phantasy Star Universe, Photons are known to react to "psychic" factors. Emotions and Willpower are both stated to help in that respect, but there seems to be some other requirement that was engineered into the ARKS to be able to fully utilize it. This is also why for the most part we need photon weapons as a focus to be able to deal damage or cast techniques, while the most powerful (or emotionally charged) are able to channel photon power without a weapon, like what we do at the end of the Aegis fight.
Regarding 909, the player is 909, while Aina is a descendant of the 2nd-generation Garoa. TECHNICALLY that should make her 3rd generation, but I think Zephetto is talking about product lines and not family generations. Zephetto is surprised at seeing her power come close to ours despite not actually being made with the 3rd-generation template that created us.
That also makes me think of the generations of ARKS in the base PSO2. I think Maria and some others talked a bit about it. The first generation of ARKS were mostly useless with Photons, with some extremely rare instances of powerful individuals (The first council of six). The second generation had a much higher success rate, but it mostly evened out as while there were more of them that were effective, many weren't able to come close to the amount of power that the Council had. They also were very specific in the ways they could control photons, which is why many of them are stuck with one class. The Guardian is the first of the third generation, who are not only more powerful than the 2nd, they're also more adaptable. This is where the Successor/Scion classes come from, who blend elements of all other classes.
Gonna turn this story into a warhammer 40k story lol.
I do love that he mentions that peace is what made us weak meaning what we accomplished in base game did in fact create happiness but in doing so our blades dulled because we never faced anything powerful
Moving through space as a “planet ship” isn’t too crazy. That’s how it was in Phantasy Star 3.
Not really. The Alisa III was more akin to a less advanced version of an ARKS ship, or the Pioneer class. Just with more domes.
Weren't the motherships in the base game literally built around living planets Xion and Xiao? This isn't even new for PSO2. and the smaller ships had entire cities in them.
Regarding Halpha, I've had the exact same idea for quite a while. Given that the motherships in base PSO2 were pretty much "conscious planets," the ultimate purpose of Halpha may be to become the mothership of a new fleet. One problem we do face with NGS specifically though is the open-world nature, so if we get new planets and everyone just goes there for the new content, then Halpha as we know now will just become an abandoned empty map with no one around 🤔
And in an earlier Phantasy Star game, there was a group of bundled lands that was a ship, almost identical to Halpha. I'm referring to Alisa III from Phantasy Star III. Given that Dark Falz is based off of the early games' Falz, I think it's entirely likely that Zephetto took ideas from even more branches of Phantasy Star lore.
I agree, we might be looking at the construction of a new Oracle fleet, with Halpha as the mothership and Leciel at the head. If we get control of the DOLLS, we'd basically have an infinite workforce for constructing our ships.
Didn't that happened before in og PSO2?
They should spread out the cosmetic and housing drops throughout the old content to keep people in all the areas. At least thats what I would do.
I imagine that once they introduce life skills like fishing (notice none of the seafood is fish, it's definitely coming), farming, harvesting, and creative space, the purpose of Halpha will be the hub to build an ecosystem and the planets we visit from our new mothership will be instanced dungeons for the best of both worlds.
From how I understand it, Aina is NOT the second generation of 909, she's just a second generation of the Arks. I'm also taking it as every 100 years or so is a generation of the Arks defenders.
imo everyone in halpha right now is 2nd generaton arks(like ps2) productions,they live and breed for years and our protag is the new product launched aka gen 3 arks (like ps3)
So with the generation thing, I think it's important to remember that Zephetto set a number of years. So the fleet existed 1000 years ago in TOTAL. The exact time was 500 years ago for when the Starless killed them, then it would have been 200 years preparing the experiment, because Zeph mentioned it being 300 long years of experimenting. That 300 years would consist of gen 1 ,2 and 3. This means Gen 1 probaly made the foundation of everything, for example lost cental in Kvaris that the twins grandpa studied and copied bases from. This also explains why none of gen 2 understood these structures they were copying, because gen 1 was entirely dead, this also means gen 2 lasted for several of its own generations. Consider Retem and how many they lost along with Naderah having a family line. Plus Mannon and Aina knew each other for years. So Gen 2 had to be around for at least 100 years or so, passing on teachings and building off gen 1 ruins, leading to the VERY recent creation of gen 3 at the END of the 300 years.
We already have a "spaceship". *Looks at Retem City. Just the frame, but could always do a Yamato, Macross style salvage.
909 is exclusive to us. It's not a universal code given to other generations. Our code is our tag, I'm sure each clone has their own respective personal codes as well. I'm also positive that even though we are clones, it's obvious that over the years of this experiment , families were created. Meaning we are just as human as anyone. So Aina being 2nd gen doesn't mean Garoa couldn't be 2nd Gen too. It just means he gave birth to a 2nd Gen daughter (probably has to do with their DNA). We don't really know much of her mother either, so there could be something there. But overall, this revelation that almost everyone on Halpha is essentially manufactured humans Sparks a huge ideology debacle on if they truly are "human" or not. I'm sure we'll see that exact sentiment be questioned in the next episode.
So Castra's de-weaponization of photons is the cause of all this, in my opinion anyway. But yeah the story just escalated really good, the only complaint that I have is Zepheto just live and gone that fast like I felt "that's it?".
I may have also enjoyed the story, but I agree, Zephetto left me feeling an emptiness of his existence, he tests our strength, then soon after sacrifices himself to give us a chance to prepare for combating the Starless. In the way he didn't get enough screentime, is not too different than some modern day Sonic franchise villains, such as Mephiles from 06, or Infinite from Sonic Forces, both villains also didn't get enough screentime before their encounters, being completely absent early game, only to appear later and get the end of them setup in a way they cannot return to once again fill a role. At least Zephetto dumped upon us plot twists and lore
Garoa was second generation, they said that people from second generation that survived formed the "arks" we meet from all the region. And the thing with generations is nothing something about "dad and son" but the "clone process", so every son of the second generation is still considered second generation, because they dont get the upgrades we did, so probably the third generation are only the meteorns.
I wonder since their commander is "gone" what will happen to the resurgence staff running the calculations and stuff? They were clearly unbothered by our presence and we now have an active teleporter to them. Does this mean they will be integrated into the current Arks along with their knowledge and technology? Will dolls end up being reprogrammed to fight with us against the Starless, and worst yet if the Starless get past Zephetto (if he isn't already dead) will they use the dolls against us in much more amped up versions along with the Starless, something like Luminmechs?
Considering the Waker Class effectively summons mini DOLL units as some of it's attacks, I don't think it's completely out of the question that the DOLLs can be reworked to aid the ARKS defenders. I agree with your guesses
I hope to God we are done with the dolls their designs have ruined the gameplay for years now 💀
This chapter actually reminded me of a optional conversation you have with ilma in ch 4. He talks about how all of the cities are built on the existing blueprints of "central cannon" and they all have the parts for it, which made me immediately think that central cannon is actually originally based on arks ship technology
Speaking of which, since Zephetto survived the Starless attack 500 years ago, there is a chance that they might bring back other survivors from the Oracle fleet or old familiar faces from Base as survivors of the attack as well.
Wonder what the lifespan is for ARKS is then. Can't imagine any npcs aside from Casts to survive for so long, though wouldn't mind if they showed up. Bit cliche, but imagine if you meet Xiera and she mistakens you as your base pso2 guardian, only to be heartbroken and realize that you are just a clone of them. Maybe have a Masked Persona esque moment and meet your past "self" with them passing on the torch from your base self to NGS self. Or just have Risa show trying to kill you.
@@vietboilee3there's also the chance that xiao could be alive?
@@vietboilee3 we can probably assume ARKS live much longer lives than the usual humans, though i'm mainly basing this off how characters just doesn't age despite the time skips in base. The one characters we certainly can't have anymore are the Earth characters unless they do a weird time shenanigan.
I'm calling it now, we're not going to space. Space is coming to us, in the form of refugees from the starless attacks. The dolls are going to go out of control without Zephetto. So we're going to try to boot up the Arks clones in order to fight off the starless.
SEGA can really make an interesting story if they really put their work into. Like in base game, the story is so good especially at mid of ep5 and ep6 when they started introducing photoner, akashic record, etc. And it is a good thing NGS is continuation of base game.
The "Matrix" enemy with the ring I forget the exact name but it's basically Marionette, so the ring on the back would be a reference to the tool used to manipulate the doll.
Zephetto is a play on with the whole Pinocchio theme. so in pinnochio the guy who creates him is gepetto. gepetto is a woodcarver who makes things out of wood such as dolls and nicknacks.
Zephetto makes dolls and if i didnt mistakenly hear he also made our character(generation 3) i think.
the name says it all you know new genesis. new origin which should give context leaving the old behind what old you may ask well whatever was before what we have before which is base PSO2.
OMG, we’re definitely entering a blackhole…💭
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My theory for about a couple years now is that Halpha is a water planet and the continent we are on is the ship.
1 water planet that is housing a single, giant continent with multiple biomes? Kinda sus!
Also the rings around Stia is totally a warp gate.
I would love to see the idola cast returning in ngs if possible and would feel like it be a big surprise for idola players!!
That could be a nice way to end episode 2 for Idola, if possible. Though thinking about it, it seems very unlikely just because of the timeframe.
sega really said "base characters? yeah kill them all off"
Based on the areas we went through in Chapter 5, I'm pretty sure the creative space is going to be on Leciel.
Genuinely think what Sega is going for is that we are a clone of the original guardian. This way they could easily explain why we can hop between games without having seperate characters. Also with us having the "perfect" photon reactions falling in line with how we were basically the hard carry for ARKS in base.
Also loved the Starless reveal as it reminded me a lot of the Shiva reveal of ep6. A long dormant force that just seeks pure destruction and shows up just to wipe the floor with us and send a message.
Had this conversation too. No chance in hell Halpha was the ONLY ARKS Experiment. I can guarantee that we will come across another planet in this solar system called something with Beta in the name. Like, Zebeta. And it will be about boosting their ARKS experiment through to get a force back for this new big bad.
I actually like how the story is progressing so far. I was getting bored but now it started to feel more like a PSO2
Chapter 5 definitely is getting me invested into the NGS story. Episode 1 of NGS was quite a lot shorter than Episode 1 in Base PSO2, so it makes me wonder if we're going to have more episodes than 6 in NGS. I wouldn't mind that at all. What I expect to happen in Episode 2 is that we remain on Halpha for that episode as well, but we'll be dealing with Starless enemies instead. Perhaps, like in Base how switching between episodes changes the lobby, switching between episodes changes the world. We would still have shared hub areas, but for those in Episode 2 would be fighting Starless in the field instead of Dolls.
I noticed during the Zephetto simi-reveal (pre-fight, during the Manon cutscenes) shows him in a room that looks nearly identical to Xiera's control room; that is to say, it looks like a typical ARKS ship control room. I doubt they simply reused assets, that's an important detail. After all, Central's control room is reminiscent of an ARKS ship room, but not very similar. Zephetto's control room is nearly identical to the one we saw visiting the Bridge during story mode. Likely, Leciel is either capable of generating dimensional doorways, or Halpha is indeed a moveable vessel - or contains one.
We may also have not seen the last of Zephetto. His sacrifice seems to be a call-back to Goroa's charge on Dark Falz. A lot of people still believe Goroa is somehow still alive. And if that's the case, Zeph's lore dump and subsequent kamikaze into the Starless spearhead assault could also indicate he's alive. Maybe. If we do go to space, we may be seeing him again (as a prisoner?). And with the DOLLS threat virtually "neutralized", we may begin to see DOLLS working with us in Operations. I could see SEGA keeping them around as training "dummies" for new ARKS (new players) and their roles of enemies in VR. But if they do join us, "merging" with DOLLS via data/manufacturing might be how we get NGS' version of Dark Blast. Newly manufactured DOLLS with mutations (or corruptions). At the very least, we should see them help us fight the Starless forces going forward in new content. It doesn't make sense moving forward for possibly millions of durable, expendable, reproduceable forces to continue to be aimed at US when the experiment "is ended" and a greater threat is coming.
That's the thing - there is no "other" ARKS out there. We are all what's left. And that Starless is not "people" - it literally looks like Profound Darkness kinda thing, phenomenon or whatever that sentient black hole was... Starless Darkness, maybe lol?
@@avinashrampersad1877 Well, Shiva did said that "as long as photons exist - "it" will never go away and will always return". And here we are.
They may be "dark" but they're not of the Profound Darkness. It's specifically said that they invaded from outside the galaxy.
Soooo ummm who said Helpha is a planet???
If you played Phantasy Star 3 and 4 you find out that there’s several “ships” (that do not look like our old fleet) that until you got outside looked like planets. We may in fact be one of those non oracle fleet ships…
I think our NGS characters are relate to the the guardian because we sneak up like the guardian did in base pso 2.
Something tells me Zephetto is hiding something about why the 3rd gen ARKS is working compared to the previous ones, he might have modeled our NGS character after the old legendary ARKS Guardian. So i guess our NGS character is a clone but thats just what i can put as headcanon until they made any confirmations.
"My wish has been fulfilled. The rest... is up to you. The future is yours."
Nice to see that the story is getting better, I stopped playing before the fire region got released because I was bored of the story but after watching this video I plan to play again.
I don't think we're done with Halpha just yet, considering the final cutscenes, and ep2 has us pushing back on the Starless that rock up on Halpha. I guess OG ARKS never truly considered there would be threats other than primordial darkness until it showed up at their doorstep. They let themselves go, and they (and the rest of the universe) paid the price.
I think he means 2nd Production version when he says Generation. Version 1 got obliterated, Version 2 survived long enough to make offspring. Version 3 is us.
just additional things here, keroppi:
Generation here is more like waves or models --> so it's not a literal generation. An experiment waves if you would. Wave 1, dead. Wave 2 --> Garoa or maybe Garoa's ancestor till Aina the last of her gen. Then comes us, the 3rd Gen RA9G3-T909, which is roughly deciphered as
RA9G3-T909
Resurgent ARKS 9(or maybe Sector 9) Generation 3 - Test Number 909.
Why i strongly believe in the Sector is because Zephetto was known as the commander. A commander, commands something, and i believe he's not the only one, hence multiple sectors makes sense to me. Especially since halpha is more like the Wet Dream of Flat Earther, you can see everything, surrounded by sea, with no visible boundaries. Which only means that either PSO2 somehow found a flat earth or we're in a simulation. Im betting on the latter.
Anyways, yeah, it's a frickin fun turn of events.
Maybe Sega did re-hire the pso2 base writer again, it hinted after chapter 4 stia especially on side stories, something different about the style of the writer going to tell us, in my opinion tho.
I have to say that maybe I got an advantage of starting NGS close to the Stia release and didn't have to wait too much to get to this point of the story that I didn't really felt too bored... that and ALSO that I did Oracle's side of it's story to keep myself busy during that time as well (started on October 2022 FYI... again), and oh boi... Chapter 5 really was a blast even if it was too short, sure, it starts with a modified Battle of Halphia Lake UQ but things escalate just as quick as the short chapter, I can't wait to see how this evolves in June, and there's still the question about if Garoa is really history or he's still somewhere in hiding... or anything, who really knows...
Anyone else feel like going through those biomes looked like the furniture options for the soon to be custom spaces? In retem specifically for sure
Kinda off topic but can you make a vid on Weapon badge 5 farming or just some quick tips on how to get them in 2023 ?😅 great work 👍
Just now it's feeling like we are on the ground floor of a cool new MMO.
I feel that what they've done in Chapter 5 in NGS right now is the same thing that essentially they did in Classic PSO2 Episode one up to the Elder incident. If I remember correctly pretty much everything until then has just been.............talking getting to know the other ARKS operatives, the only other unique thing I can remember happening was finding Matoi and fighting the Mysterious Masked person. So I'm not surprised this is how it went with NGS, though I do think they did drag us on the ride all over Halpha for a bit too long
Note: I say specifically "up to the Elder incident" because if what I heard from the old JP players is correct, the Quna arc that came after that (but was still categorized as part of Episode 1) was added later in the middle of Episode 2 or something like that
I'm curious how long did it take them to finish episode 1 in base? And i suppose NGS taking longer is mainly thanks to having to design the open world environment being more of a struggle than the old instanced dungeons
@@Sharicite that I don't know. I only came back to the game in 2018 when I found out about tweaker and being able to play on the JP servers. Before that I was only able to play on the SG servers, which was not only horrible, but also like way behind in terms of content (JP just got Braver around that time, the SG server quite literally barely just began with Episode 1)
Edit: I just checked, it took almost exactly 1 year. PSO2 was released July 2012, Episode 2 was released 2013 also on July. Scope wise I think Classic and NGS is quite similar, Classic kinda had an edge from having somewhat procedurally generated levels, which makes going around the levels more unique each time.
@@Sharicite If memory severs me right Ep1 for base took about 9-15 months, I think during a interview Sakai even say he push the team a bit too hard given how much they pushed out that year 1.
The Core issues with NGS and I'm not justify any of the following actions I feel they were full mistakes on sega on all fronts
NGS drop way to early and came out barebone but given they had a drought for so long in base (I still think a side-story for Ep6 woulda help this) I understand why NGS came out when and how it did... however this retroactively has made a good bit of the updates deal with adding stuff that shoulda been at the start.
NGS didn't know what it wanted to be for the longest time, heck and while Chapter 5 was great I still not 100% sold it knows yet but ill hope on cope that is finally found it pace and ID
Lastly this is a bit of a Boomer rage baby JP gaijin statement but I feel Global got a bit spoiled as when they finally got the game they had ep1-3 (mind you took us about 4 years to see that) then got Ep4 3-4 months later follow by Ep5 and then Ep6 not so shortly after given this illusion that how content would normally drop for Phantasy star online 2 and that wasn't the case like ever.
@@thestrunzy5585 your last point is pretty much correct, Global players got a lot of content super fast compared to how it was originally in JP so their expectations are screwed when NGS dropped giving everyone the JP experience.
remember what Xio really is? He is a planet-size mothership of the PSO2 Ark fleet, we already have a planet spaceship in the lore of the base game.
corrupted emotion of ancient Photoner is what created dark photons and subsequently the first incarnation of Profound Darkness in the base game so yes strong emotion does interact with photon.
Its kinda funny that ending of the story mirrors that of Sonic Frontier's but oh well I mean they are both SEGA titles lol. The 909 is just a Test number 909 means we are like the 909th test subject since 0. We are the closest to the ARKS Defender Prime and when we defeated Zephetto, he confirmed that we had over 100% photon sensitivity which is probably on par or even above that of Base PSO2 Guardian which was formerly our own character. That just means we'll have to switch our defenses towards the Starless enemy and maybe the main Starless antagonist or Big Boss behind all those things happened 500 years ago will be revealed when the Day of Judgement arrives. By then I believe our story will be preparing against that threat and exploring outside of Halpha to seek other survivng ARKS to regroup.
I just realized something funny but even Base PSO2's story mirrors Chain Chronicles both being Sega's properties around the same time of release and both having the same plot beat and even twists (main character turns evil due to dead heroine)
Funny enough, I got the same vibe with Frontiers and New Genesis.
Every island in Frontiers having a big boss, which mirrors PSO2NGS' regions with their main Doll enemy, and a big threat at the end of it all that said big bosses were designed in response to.
And don't get me started on the designs of the islands and the regions.
...Huh.
Seeing as how dark falz in the base game was the manifestation of negative emotions turned into photons, the use of emotions in the plot would make sense.
NGS Ash gotta be connected to OG Ash, they look similar, have the title of Guardian, and sneaking tendencies. I wouldn't be surprised if they brought back Matoi through time travel or in spirtual form as a support character
im gonna say it did anyone else gets crazy twisted casara vibes from zephettos phrasing and gestures. chapter 5 was soo good, we got answers about ourselves, halpha and a big bad all in one chapter, it really feels like were out of the prologue and about to step into something very good.
so as to the generations, at a guess i would assume zephetto is talking about a genetic template, with each sub number being a specific iteration (we are TG (somethnig)- 909) so the native halphanites are decendents of the surviving 2nd generation, our template is different to them, most likely picked from the strongest/most adaptable/photon sensetive people of the 2nd geenration, as he told the computer to do just that with our dna before he jetted of to blast the vanguard starless in his big boss suit.
In base game we were early 3rd gen, and latter 3rd genners came up with new classes and even scion classes. Can't help but think the soon-to-be 4th genners gonna bring scion classes with them after they gain their footing.
The Starless reminds me of Mass Effect Reapers
I interpreted zephetto's part as "I am not the evil guy, there are worse problems and now I'm going to dump them onto you! zehahahaha! *flies off*"
What I got is this.
1. We are a clone of the PSO2 3rd attempt. So is I am thinking all current meterons.
2. The others if you check are 2cd gen clones and their children since they survived Dark Falz 300 years ago.
3. The experiment has lasted for 500 so no idea where 1000 years came from as even Sega removed the 1000 reference on website.
4. I might be mistaken but he asked where 909 was. We are the only 909 unless I am mistaken.
Also since Dreamcast, I noticed a trend that anytime people get to a certain level of photons a catastrophe occurs to balance things out that is triggered by dispair.
In this line he caused the return of the starless by making our chars so powerful because ark folks are Stoopid.
I hope Lucian is our vessel; I miss being on a ship that sees into outer space. Plus I want the weaker civilians as far away from ark photon users as possible to keep them safe.
Zepetto (kinda) mentioned that Aina is 2nd generation, so my guess is Garoa is 2nd generation too, i think every starter of generation is created on lab, yeet onto halpha and able to procreate but unable to breakthough the photon sensitivity cap for their offspring,.(im not sure what gen Manon is tho) so i can guess that the 4th gen is going to be more powerful and i do kinda wonder if we are going to pass the torch (from our current character) to the new gen and create new character for the next episode.
I mean, oracle fleet is a planet on it's own
Would be pretty sick if one of the 4th gen clones was a copy of Matoi or Afin.
Here we go ! Higher and Higher !
I was also interested in learning more about the 909 thing and the generations. If we I guess are genetically grown like matrix style, it not far to we can also be cloned. Maybe Garoa could come back as the 4th gen Arks, being created stronger than before. It seems like things are getting to spicy for the pepper:)
I’m calling it, the starless is dark falz.
i like it when i look at other chapters it was our potential build up i think it was emotions and anything under it. how we get to other planets remember the girl said when she was opening the teleporter to go to the floating island "it a unlimited range teleporter" that means you can teleport any where from that teleporter.
Worse, the Starless can very much be something of an old enemy from base: The Photoners. Keep in mind, we know that many became a part of Xion, and we know that many were subsumed into the Profound Darkness. And the Photoners were considered assholes by and large. How likely is it that those who weren't subsumed into Shiva or became a part of Xion are now back?
I think ARKS doesn't really exist anymore outside Halpha, could be wrong by what Zephetto said everyone got fucked up by these starless including ARKS. So at best there's probably some other planets with people scattered around but they aren't ARKS, could be wrong but who knows. From what i understood the people in Halpha are just clones which explains why certain characters seem like 'copies' of another ones. Nadareh for a example might be a clone of Quna or something or Manon might be a Quna copy from a different generation.
With the generation thing, i think if a second generation reproduces the offspring is still second generation. The 3rd was probably the third attempt that Zephetto did by perfecting the cloning formula or something, i don't remember if Aina was 909 as well i'm suspecting she's a clone of Matoi maybe, but Garoa was also very powerful from what people said in the story to the point he cut through dolls like they were butter so maybe he was also a 909 from the 2nd generation. But if she is 909 i think that's clear evidence that 909 is our pso2's character DNA or something.
The way I see it, not all of Oracle was lost. Zephetto mentioned that after the Starless attacked, everyone other than Resurgent ARKS just forgot and move on... implying that there are MORE elements of the Oracle Fleet that survived, but didn't share Zephetto's vision.
Many spoilers for Base Story ahead, but the quick summary is that the Oracle Fleet has a very long history of surviving having its unprepared ass handed to it.
You might recall that Oracle is often infamously horrible in space battles. Easily dozens, if not hundreds, of ARKS City-Ships (I sometimes think of them as rough equivalents to Asuryani "Craftworlds" because they haven't got much weaponry or built-in defenses but carry entire populations in space) are wiped out in the Base Game's [Elder] battle, not to mention the Photoners effectively more than halving the strength of ARKS in the opening battle alone. The Starless don't seem to be nearly as impactful as the Photoners due simply to scale - the restoration of Shiva alone generated a physics-defying singularity that was on track to consuming at least two universes, not to mention that the Photoners were able to effectively wage war across two universes. And in the beginning, mostly win, across those universes. Compared to the Starless, whose cost in lives numbers less than a trillion and only menaced 50 star systems... the Starless seem pretty tame.
The "old ARKS" that Zephetto is trying to emulate has had its ass handed to it countless times already, including the Oracle Fleet. It seems unlikely to me that the Starless obliterated all of ARKS' space power if their kill count and scope of influence is so low.
This next part is comparing apples and oranges, though.
50 star systems is like saying that they obliterated a faction just larger than the size of the UNSC (the UNSC has, what, 32 confirmed star systems, likely more unconfirmed (but not by much), and now, holdings on Forerunner constructs such as the Ark (which to our knowledge is still being contested)), or a less than half of the United Federation of Planets near TNG times (IIRC), or something similar. It's an achievement to be sure, but in the scope of science fiction, that's really underwhelming, especially when Base PSO2 had you save the entire universe several times.
I don't remember of Zephetto said "50" or another number.
Of course, most of Oracle's population lived on city-ships, and any significant fraction of the Oracle Fleet and its associated planets probably has more people than the entire UNSC, even accounting for human population growth over five centuries - the higher the quality of life, the slower the birth rate seems to get. Thus, comparison to the UNSC is probably not fair, but the UNSC didn't control that many planets.
As it that wasn't bad enough, there are cases where sci-fi factions with even less power and influence than your Base game adversaries cause more damage than the Starless did overall, but in the span of a single battle (for reference, the Yuuzhan-Vong War in Star Wars Legends was fought exclusively in one galaxy, and had 365 trillion deaths on the defenders' side alone; even accounting for the Milky Way being smaller than the Star Wars galaxy (assuming Oracle was stationed in the Milky Way), the planet Coruscant has a larger population (1 trillion) than died to the Starless (hundreds of billions), i.e. when the Vong rendered Coruscant unlivable, they killed more people in one battle than the Starless did in a war, while the Vong are much less of a threat than the Profound Darkness or the Photoners ever were, threatening only one galaxy at a time rather than one or multiple universes).
I'm more interested in what happened to the Mothership, since those are much harder to replace, as well as being one of ARKS' greatest tactical advantages.
I'm also losing my mind over the fates of Base game characters that I've grown attached to, some of whom I hold as personal role models and others I'd viewed as close friends...
TL;DR: Zephetto's speech implies that some fraction of ARKS survived that ISN'T included in his own Resurgent ARKS faction. The Oracle Fleet has suffered near-total destruction before, at the hands of greater threats, so it wouldn't be unreasonable that in the 500 years since the last Judgment Day, Oracle (or some new interstellar organization) has at least partially rebuilt itself.
*The Federation, at the referenced time, had 110-130 member states, each one possibly accounting for several star systems.
I think we are clones if you remember the scene before you go fight the final boss there was a room full of pods and Aina try looking in one but never got the chance I think that's the fourth generation keep up the good work
I still think Halpha is itself an ARKS ship.
Yes we see the planet horizon on Leciel, but that could be an illusion, or this is a new class of exceptionally huge ARKS ship or Mothership Xiao itself.
Alternatively… Halpha’s map kinda resembles Parma’s from the original Phantasy Star.
So we’re in the Algol system and this is a prequel.
As well,there's a couple of easter eggs where you can hear 2 tunes from the original first Phantasy Star,for those that can remember that far back(played it so many times it was easy to figure it out.)
@@vickerswedge7939 I know the Motavia theme on top of the pyramid in Retem. What’s thr other one?
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The NGS story link to the original pso2 after a thousand years has pass. A sad story.😢
Ps: looking forward to the next story.❤ (seeing the whole oracle fleet destroy by the enemy "Starless", I feel sad, lost, cry, angry ..... and furious! Everyone from the old pso2 is gone, matoi, patti, tia. Can't wait to smash those "Starless" thing!👿)
I swear, if the story end up as a cycle. I would not be surprised, just curious as to how the cycle work. Is it destined for something to try and destroy the universe, and someone is destined to stop it.
It's time to go beyond the skies baby!
Anyone notice how the name Zephetto sounds like Geppetto, his "monsters" are called DOLLS, those Leciel operators act like lifeless puppets, and those new monsters are called "marioness" which sounds like marionette?
So is the next new story character gonna be a robot boy with a long nose wearing lederhosen?
Edit: and anyone notice how Zephetto's English voice sounds kinda like Regius?
I remember the New Year's letter mentioning introducing new "classes" in 2023. Makes me wonder if the Resurgent Arks will have classes different to how what we currently have. Are Resurgents the new scions?
If I remember correctly that was a mistranslation and the original only meant “a new class”, this isn’t uncommon as in the last headline The Dev team answer to why the class was named Slayer was based on “Luster couldn’t be used as a subclass”… which was a mistranslation from “Luster couldn’t use a subclass”
Hopefully they just improve and add onto multi weapons so we can build our own versions of scions
i smell profound darkness is the starlesss this pink aura in the story picture of oracle being destroyed remind me of it
I'm still clinging to my idea that Halpha is the wreckage of one of the Oracle motherships. Remember, the original motherships, Xion and Xiao, _were_ water planets, which the motherships were built around. The little island zones of Halpha have always looked to me like they were built from a wrecked mothership, _especially_ all of the mechanical bits in Retem, like the city itself.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Starless were more remnants of the Photoners, or some other failed experiment of Luther back in the good old days. The entire cloning/generation situation though sounds very much like they are trying to replicate the Guardian or Matoi from the base game. Remember, both of you in the original game were experimental life forms, manufactured to be incredibly powerful. It would not surprise me at all if the Zephetto was trying to recreate Luther's research that made the Guardian in the base game, here called "Arks Defender Prime."
The one thing I _really_ want to know though.. How exactly are they introducing Dark Falz into this environment? That sounds like a really bad idea that cannot work well.
I’m hoping against hope that we’re finally going into space. But my current thoughts on how we get up there is through Resurgent Arks. The group Zephetto mentioned. I’m thinking due to his recent actions on Halpha RA comes down to see wassup then we gain the ability to space travel through them. Hopefully the beginning of EP2 or Ultra Evolution is a bit meatier than what we have received so far. Cuz while CHP5 was awesome it still was a bit short in my opinion.
6:30 and you can leave Luciel up there and keep Dools coming to Halpha as an excuse to train new generation of Arks, (new players).
Thats really linked with emotional. That's why sega made players so emotional these 2 years and tried to help them get stronger . If today you are still playing this game and yes you had reached the expectation for this new arks generation 🎉
I find it very hard to believe that the “Starless” just somehow utterly destroyed Base PSO2 Arks? They were so technologically advanced and they had so many OP/Intelligent/Very Strong Characters including the two main characters which was our character and Matoi. We defeated Shiva she was basically GOD in that universe and we by a miracle defeated her. Almost everything in Base PSO2 was way more impressive than anything I’ve seen in New Genesis in terms of there Power capabilities through gameplay and cutscenes.
And then they were nerfed because Casra is a pacifist dumbass who wanted to disarm all photon weaponry in his epilogue in EP6.
Zephetto states that they were weakened by centuries of peace and unprepared for a new invasion.
my only question is what is the starless and how the hell waz the oracle fleet wiped so easily
If it's a experiment, who's to say there aren't other experiments going on 🙂
Basically Zephetto is the Jailer but done right.
Ok, I’ll have to come back. How recently was this added? It felt like a surprise to suddenly be called to fight Dark Falz outside of its urgent quest. I grinded my way to 3120 battle power because a veteran player friend wanted to train me up into their raid partner I think. I also like that my theory of the Dollz was correct.
Strong Phantasy Star III: Generations of Doom vibes.
I have so many more questions after this
The planet itself looks mechanical, so “wandering earth” theory isn’t unlikely.
I’m gassed it feels like base phantasy star story again❤
BUT Lacial is the control center of Halpha. You cant just take it away. Thats what they were saying in the Story that Lacial controls everything on Halpha. You cant just take it away from Halpha. The planet will be screwed. UNLESS they do something else and make maybe like Lost Kvaris the Control Center of the planet as it was all this technology as it had the long range teleported to Lacial.
They gotta start paying you for advertising because I wasn't even gonna play the new story missions because I didn't think they were gonna hold any weight LoL loved it tho
The Starless give Anit Spiral vibes...
Its feel like play original Pso2 again. I kinda happy…
>Inb4 we have Reverse Isekai with Hitsugi 2.
I have mixed feelings about this.
On the one hand, this is amazing. The story is finally picking up, a threat is established, despite the lackluster character development we've been getting we're finally starting to see just a hint of it, especially with the pacing and how everything was handled up to that point. All of these ideas and concepts too just seem so cool, but that's assuming this is its own story and not connected to Base game, which it seems like they said in advertising like PSO2 Comi that it is.
My problem with that is that Base felt like a well, completed story already on its own. All the hard work, all the character development (I only finished up to Episode 5 but even then a lot has happened), I mean even the threat itself was massive and yet we banded together and united ARKS and reformed it even to withstand any future threats that would hit, exactly like the Starless. So, if what Zephetto is saying is true, that the Oracle fleet of Base got wiped and billions of soldiers were lost and such, that just seems...odd.
You're telling me that over the period of peace, ARKS got lazy and too dependent on this technology and as such was wiped clean? All of the characters who were going to work towards a better future and re-shape ARKS in base to a much stronger and more united front? And yes, even removing those who couldn't live past 500 years or died by natural means, the ARKS crew of Base was already in the process of training and helping the next generation (not through experiments) to be prepared for something as powerful as the Falz in the event that the older members stepped down.
It also just seems doesn't seem right for them to get lazy over a period of peace because in a sense, (SPOILERS for anyone who hasn't done episode 2 and such in Base), Luther himself was a perfect example of everyone just being lazy, which allowed him to slip in and perform as many experiments and such as he liked to get to Xion and eventually turn ARKS into his plaything.
We haven't even considered all the allies met on these other planets and systems that supposedly got decimated, and the Falz were capable of doing just that and we somehow came out on top. The Ashmaiden, Xiao, Mother's Earthguides, there's just too much that has to be answered for them to say these Starless came and just wiped them all out clean, or that they suffered catastrophic destruction on a massive scale because they were too lazy during the period of peace.
I just, really hope they have a way to either make this its own story, or do a superb job of connecting it to base without undermining everything that happened in that game, and all the completed character development that was there, because this is a REALLY cool concept! I love how this idea could go, with second generation Meteorns and third generation Meteorns, Experiment 909, all of that.
No no, Central city is just a part of a big ship which is underneath the ground of Central City.
The "cannon" they have is just a gun that is on top of it.
They need sephiroth to travel the stars just like his mother did long ago..
So… at the end of PSO2… if us the guardian beat what was practically the entropy of the entire universe… HOW STRONG ARE THE STARLESS?!? Also, it’s hecka sad that Matoi, and everyone friend we made along the way may be dead now 😢😔
Plot twist: Matoi and friends became the Starless.
If I recall, didn't the Starless attack years after PSO2? Odds are if they did, everyone had likely aready passed from old age.
They were powerful, not immortal.
There's also the fact that Zephetto stated that Arks was nowhere near as strong as they were when the falspawn were the biggest problem.
I wish after we completed the new story we got some new stuff available after like a new area and enemies.
I’m thinking that is coming this summer with the “ultra” upgrade or whatever they are calling it!
Basically the whole story is that some dude was grooming us the whole time.
Indeed, things did escalate quickly, and now the story finally feels like we matter for once. Can't wait to see what's next.
As for Halpha, we did get a set up for us roaming through space on a "planet ship" as we now know there's at least one long range teleporter in Lost Central. If you consider Leciel to be the "bridge", then we're definitely on a planet ship.
So, now that Zephetto is gone, can Casts get some of those plans for his parts?🙏🏿
Also, keep in mind that we've had Mining Rig Defense for many of the regions in Halpha. Such major mining that we need to defend for awhile so the mining rigs can get what it needs. Perhaps all of that was to gather supplies to aid in constructing something in some future chapter? I kinda stole this theory from someone else
Kero you like new story ngs
11:22 I think Generation is used poorly here. It's clearly more like a model type, as Zephetto clearly calls the Generation 2 and Generation 3 characters models. Aina is referred to as a Generation 2 model, and we are referred to as a Generation 3 model. So less of a generational thing, and more like a model. I think it's a translation issue, as Kishimoto calls Sonic Frontiers the third generation of Sonic the Hedgehog, even though it's not really a generation. I'm going to take a wild stab at this and say that the word used is being mistranslated, and can mean generation in certain contexts, but I think Pillar or something like that would be better used. After all, Sega says that Classic Sonic is the first Generation, along with throwing the Adventure games into it. The Boost games are the second Generation, and the games following in the style of Frontiers is the third Generation. It doesn't really make sense with the word Generation, but if you use pillar or format or something of the like, it makes much more sense. Hope that helps clear things up!
So Garoa and Aina are both 2nd generation, because Aina is a 3rd generation *clone.* She is instead a natural offspring of the 2nd generation. She doesn't have the features of 3rd gen clones. I got confused by that too, at first, but then I realized a child of a 2nd gen wouldn't be a 3rd gen subject.
I'm expecting for Shiva to return =))
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I feel like we won't be leaving Halpha for the immediate future
The reason for the super slow release pace is that they released super early when the game shouldve released with most of the regions already finished, instead they had to spend all this time playing catch up. Throwing Halpha away and going to a whole new planet after all that would be a huge waste, and I think would probably result in the same super slow paced release schedule we've had so far. I think whats most likely to happen is that all the DOLLs enemies will be replaced by Starless and then the already existing assets for Halpha will be used for more instanced story content.
Basically the story ends with the mastermind of this grand experiment(or genocide) dies. And another baddie takes his place. With the floating island destroyed (or so it seams), we are STILL fighting DOLLs???🙄 Does that make sense to anyone? 🤔 OR we get another expansion...? Space battles on another planet? Or we go full on planet defense with different monsters? 😒 next PSO3??