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Dueling Duos: Boeing 247 vs Douglas DC-2 | Curator on the Loose!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 เม.ย. 2023
- Matthew is back with another matchup. Usually, Dueling Duos features two fighter aircraft competing for the top, but this time he's looking at two innovative commercial planes: the Boeing 247 and the Douglas DC-2. Two airliners from the golden age of passenger flight, which one do you think wins the match?
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Great video. I'm lucky to be old enough to have spent a lot of time on DC-3's. My Dad was a Mechanic for Central Airlines in the early sixties and many times I got to deadhead around a three state, circuitous route as a kid of 9 or 10 while Dad was working his shift at English Field. Going to work with him in the morning was a great adventure. The final leg home was usually empty and the Pilots would call me up to the cockpit to ride the jump seat. The memories are so vivid. Pilot and Co-Pilot, all WW2 bomber vets, would fly under the weather with their windows wide open, smoking and flipping the butts out the window. You could smell whatever you were flying over. Sometimes an alfalfa field, most often a feedlot. We would get back to English Field about the time Dad's shift ended. I have to add that I was spoiled rotten by a beautiful Stewardess the whole way. Thanks for bringing this memory back to me. I have more stories about CV-580's.
Thanks for the heart warming story. Did you become a pilot?
Yes I did. Not an Airline Pilot though. Growing up, Dad always had a Cub, Taylorcraft, Champ or Tri-Pacer around. Don't fly anymore (too old) but I have a lot of great memories of slipping the surly bonds. Thanks for your comment.✈ @@JohnDoe-uc8xo
I took a bunch of photos of that 247 when it was at the restoration facility at KPAE. :-)
As a 32+ year pilot at American Airlines the story of the DC-2 is very interesting. I hope you cover how the CEO of American Airlines and Donal Douglas designed the DC-3 tougher over the phone. Love this channel.
Always loved the forward sloping windscreen on the 247! Keep those videos coming!!!
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Much appreciated, thx. Spurring me to make another foray north to visit again!
Really enjoyed this video and your presenting style.
i love these videos, plz MAKE MORE!!!
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Beautifull old planes. First saw the B.247 during restoration in 1980. My first DC2 I saw at Amsterdam in sep 1983 and the second was your DC2 during 1987 still in Douglas livery. During the years I was so lucky to photograph four of them. Love these old planes. Nice collection over there.
And the other airworthy DC-2 is stationed not far from where I live in the Netherlands. Can see it sometimes passing overhead when it's on a run with some charter passengers.
Really appreciate this video. Not many people know about the Boeing model 247.
I love seeing airplanes from my favorite era of aviation history!
Very enjoyable, thank you. Nice to see inside the 247!!
The 247 was probably originally designed to be a bomber. It's biggest disadvantage compared to the DC2 was the wing spars passing through the cabin.
I love this dude..."even w the commy hair cut...lol" Kidding, My daughters have long hair. Seriously though he had shourt hair and looked like a professional for a while.
how cool is that? ha!
Excellent stuff bro
GREAT video Mathhew as usual. The 247 is one of my favorites. In fact NWSM will be featuring a KLM DC-2 and a 247 in MacRobertson livery in our upcoming Air Racing display at the Museum of Flight. Is there any chance of a "Tale of Two Corsairs" video using museum's F2G and F4U-1? Sure love these videos.
My father was the last Capt. that flew that DC-3 to your museum. He's over 91 now has Alzheimer's. Does remember a little bit about it.
Does he still live in the area? We'd love to have him come down and see it in person.
@@museumofflight He lives currently in Southern California. 3 miles from Disneyland.
I'm sorry, but that is much too far for traveling for him. He is in good health but is very frail. He is not capable of doing much of anything on his own.
@@flyer5769 We're sorry to hear about his health, but glad he clearly has family who cares deeply for him.
@@museumofflight I couldn't find much video on your DC-3. Just head on view. Do you have any or could you shoot a little video of the side of the airplane so I can show my father. Anything I can play on my computer I can send to the TV for him to watch. Thank you very much.
@1:00 I could be mistaken, but I don't see an artificial horizon in the instrument panel; I see a speed indicator, a slip indicator, a vertical speed indicator, an altimeter, a dial I can't identify, on the bottom a compass, and directly in front of the pilot something that seems to be a radio direction indicator ...... no horizon.
Any plans to cover the Boeing 307 Stratoliner? Now that's an innovative plane that drew the short straw.
I think you mean the 247 switched to the R-1340, not 1430 😅
Good presentation. Last bit mentioned the request for a modification for sleeper berths. Possible to provide info on the DST result which became the legendary DC-3? I suspect that the DC-3 will become the first 100 year airframe in use.
Please don't forget to give love to the DC-3/R4D (the Navy version) of which became the backbone for Douglas and the airlines.
👍 Good video.
The exposed wheels minimized the damage to the belly!
I want to know about that fully automatic, blind landing in 1947!!!
@6:14 ".. it gets kind of cool.." H The previous 'how cool is that' warmed up , we need some cooling off again.
I love how the Boeing 247 looks like the early B17.
Enjoyed the video!
For a great DC-2 story, read Fate is the Hunter by Ernest Gann.
The winner of the 1934 London to Melbourne air race was a purpose build De Havilland Comet racer and 3rd was a Boeing 247D. How appropriate.
4:52 where and when was that video taken?
That's Seattle circa 1933! The footage is from The Floyd R. Daniel Boeing Collection, which is part of The Museum of Flight's archives. The entire video, and other pieces of that collection, are available online for free in our Digital Collection: digitalcollections.museumofflight.org/items/show/48269
@@museumofflight Awesome! Thanks.
Vi, there. Noche chat about the Boeing 247. Sorry tu ser rhat you forgot yo.mention that 10 of them were flown by Colombian Scadta (later Avianca), second oldest airline un the world.....
Douglas were 'thought' to have stolen Boeing's expensive NACA wind tunnel data for the low drag engine nacelles.
Interesting, just curious where you saw this claim? I'm researching the 247 and DC-2 and am looking for interesting details like this to investigate.
@@patrickrodwell4394 In a very comprehensive history of the 747 covering the earliest days of Boeing, I read it about 20-30 years ago.
Variable pitch propeller, not variable speed propeller....
you are wrong:
the first fully automatic blind landling was not performed in 1945 with the Boeing 247.
It took place with Junkers Ju52 arround 1943 with Siemens automatic blind landing system developed from Siemens K4ü Autopilot. ( by the way "autopilot" was a registered trademark of Siemens)
Thank you for your comment. We reviewed several books in our library on the subject after you mentioned this and found no mention of a 1943 Junkers flight. Do you have a source that we can consult for more information?
We did find that on August 23, 1937, a Fokker Y1C-14B took off from Wright Field and automatically intercepted four radio beacons. It initiated a descent and landed at nearby Patterson Field, where it came to a stop, all without any pilot inputs. Captains George Vernon Holloman and Carl Joseph Crane were awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross and the Mackay Trophy for their achievement. However, this was not the first completely automatic orbit, approach, and blind landing that we were referring to, which as far as we could find did indeed happen with a my statement about the 257 making the first fully automatic landing was partially correct. A 247 (coded DZ203) flying with the Telecommunications Flying Unit of the Telecommunications Research Establishment at RAF Defford in January 1945.
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pls. contact Siemens Historical Institute in Berlin, Mr. Christoph Frank.
Among a large number of historic files they have got a 35mm movie as documentation of development and test flihgts/landings , titeled "Automatische Blindlandung"
as add on information:
the automatic blind landing system was a combination of the Lorenz-UKW-Barke + Siemens 3 axis autopilotsystem + elektrischer Feinhöhenmesser (electronic high precisition altitude meter).
When crossing the outer marker at a certain altitude you only nerd to switch the Autopilot to "landing"....
this morning I post some other information. But I can't see these here????
Seems, that my previous comment is lost..😢
For more information please contact Siemens Historical Institut in Berlin, Mr. Christoph Frank.
They have got a hell of documents on this Subjekt. And there is a 35mm movie of development and testing the blind landing system. => "Die Blindlandung".
Some basic information you will find in the Internet im combination with Siemens Autopilot and Siemens-Kurssteuerung.
Avionics at Siemens until end of WW2 have been under the brand SAM as well as Luftfahrtgerätewerk (LGW) Hackenfelde .
Furthermore pls. refer to the publishing house Bernard&Gräve => Geschichte der Deutschen Luftfahrt. Published in cooperation with Deutsches Museum at Munich.
One of these books is focused on avionics as well as autopilotsystem. It describes the automatic landing system too. I guess it was written by Mr..Trenkle
Siemens Historical Institute,Berlin,Mr. Christoph Frank
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