@@mhausb6436 he says "Star War" then "Star War 2" etc instead of "Star WarS" and they aren't called 2, 3 etc. It's a deliberate misstatement, along with the ironic mention The Flintstones in Viva Rock Vegas and Robocop 3 as great films (they're not well regarded).
What great timing. I just took some pics with this type of film and was about to research how to develop it. Thanks for always investing the time to make these useful vids.
That Flic Film kit looks really good! I just ran through the FPP kit but it lacked a stop, prebath and stabaliser. Used 1tbs of baking soda and 1L of warm water did an excellent job! Excellent results I may have to pickup one of these kits!
Can you do some more 16mm bolex content? I just picked one up and am curious about its quirks and how to set focus, aperature, shutter, fun stuff like that. Thanks so much, this channel is amazing :)
I've been processing all of my color film (Including C-41 film) in ECN-2 for over a year. I semi-stand develop for 45 minutes at room temperature and I'm happy with the results.
anti-halation is NOT just used there, it is also used in LF sheet film, in this case, it stops back reflections off of the holder centre section from muddling the film with light, a bit like lens flare on a video camera!
@@ПавелПанин-ф2нmost people don't seem to realise that in many films (e.g. Fuji colour films) the antihalation layer is on the emulsion side of the film base and is washed out in processing - some other films have it on the backing side too - it is just that the remjet requires special treatment as it is additionally a mechanical protection layer
Great information. Bulk rolls of movie film are the future. I'm so tired of visiting retailers and seeing what's left of consumer and prosumer films out of stock ... and with few exceptions aren't even as good as this.
0:14 For a guy who looks a bit like a young George Lucas, it's horrifying to hear you refer to 'Star Wars' as 'Star War'. Haha! Fun video just the same, Noah. :)
In Europe, Silbersalz sells, develops and scans (with ECN-2 chems) for less than 20 EUR a roll. More than bulk-loading from 400' rolls and dev at home but sure less than other options (which usually involve having the films developed with C-41 chems
I shoot on Silbersalz35 (from Germany). Included in the priced is developing and highres scanning. It is actually cheaper for me than buying Portra and have it developed locally. Home developing looks interesting, but for me -maybe in the future 😊
Check out last weeks podcast episode of Analog Talk with Brandon and Brian Wright (brothers behind Cinestill) they briefly mention, but seem to imply that the new 400D is their first original chemical makeup film stock. That isn't their exact wording, but it was still a vague description, and I don't totally know what it might mean - but would also seem at conflict with their brand of 'cinema film' if it isn't actually... cinema film.
I believe it is some form of the Vision3 emulsion from Kodak, but not one that's just a simple rebrand. Cinestill has enough weight behind them at this point that they can probably afford to commission some sort of custom work from Kodak and even have the film changed to some degree. From there they might be working with even another manufacturer that's coating/finishing the film differently for them in some way. The halation characteristic certainly seems to imply that it's similar to the type of film they've been using at least.
$1 says it's 500D they're saying to rate at 400, not enough to do much either way. And then the same pre-process to remove remjet before rolling it up.
Hey there, awesome video, make me want to try ECN 2 processing now! Only thing I noticed though, is that @5:45, you mention 20c or 80f in terms of temp. 20c is more like ~68-70f.
Why do I feel like some movies shot on 35mm look sharper and cleaner than anything that I've been able to get in a still, even though the frame size in movies is way smaller than on still cameras? Is it the lenses? the development?
super excited about this !!! found 2000ft rolls for $288 that is less than 80 cents a 36exp roll !!!! how do you tell what the ISO is? it just sayus kodak vision 2383 bh 1870. ??? what ISO is that?
That’s motion picture print film and is a little different. Print film isn’t normally meant to be shot in a camera, but it technically can be it just doesn’t have a defined iso because of that. If you shoot it then try exposing it around 3 iso. It also does not have the remjet backing.
@@AnalogResurgence holy crap iso three! What would happen if I were to shoot that at say ISO 25 in the camera? I don't think my camera goes below 25 But at that price it might be worth playing with even if I were limited to say tripod landscape shots That's enough for over 360 rolls of 36 exposure so that's a lot of film :-)
@@AnalogResurgence do you think if I shot it at 25 and then crank up the exposure compensation that would be enough? How would I calculate the shutter speed offset?
@@nerys71 Hello! Unless I'm misunderstanding. You don't need to set an ISO in a film camera like you do a digital camera, that is usually just there for you to remember what film you have IN the camera at the time. It may, on some film cameras that have built in metering adjust what the internal meter says. But I would advise getting a hand held light meter....you set IT to 3 ISO...and then meter your scene, and this way you can get an aperture and shutter speed you can set manually on your film camera to get a proper exposure. I hope this helps a bit....what film camera are you shooting, that might help us a bit to help you. Good Luck!! CC
I do not think a Morse tank will work for 16mm motion picture film. It works for black and white negative because of the longer developing times, which make it more forgiving. I tried black and white reversal in a morse tank, and it was a pain/did not work. The bleach step needs to be done quickly, or you trash the film, and it's hard to wind that much film quickly and evenly. So, I would go back to unspooling the 16mm into buckets 😆 But the last thing I want to say is, don't let me be a downer! The colour CN process may work totally fine in a Morse Tank. A Lomo style tank should totally work though. If I ever see one, I would definitely buy the Lomo. I have seen one, and they seem pretty janky though 🤔
If I'm not mistaken, the music belonged to HTV, not ITV. A version of it was first used in 1968, and it was abandoned in 1987. I doubt any remnant of the HTV company is too concerned about a jingle it stopped using 35 years ago. But anyway thanks for identifying it for me. th-cam.com/video/-agHZuB59N0/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/0oeBIGGxLbk/w-d-xo.html
I was looking for examples of people doing C41 in ECN but saw very few, it really seems to cause some heavy color shifts. It's doable though and I'll keep it in mind for a future video!
Yep.Seattle Film Works spooled re-cans and ends of ECN2 film into 35mm spools. Many many labs cursed their existence. One roll of this through a C41 machine required a full and complete tear-down of every bit of the machine-flushing the chemistry. cleaning the rollers by hand, etc. etc.
I have never developed color before so look this up before trusting me but as far as I understand yes, you just have to remove the remjet. Edit: I misread your comment, I thought you were asking about developing ECN 2 film in C41 chemistry.
C41 film doesn't have remjet so you don't have to deal with that at all. I was looking for examples of people doing C41 in ECN but saw very few, it really seems to cause some heavy color shifts. It's doable though and I'll keep it in mind for a future video!
What is Kodak 2383? I know there must be a reason why everyone uses the vision film but why not Kodak 2383? It seems to be way cheaper, but it has a different backing than rimjet, maybe that’s why? I just can’t find any information on this stuff, every time I look it up I can only find the technical papers on it, or videos and articles on people creating the 2383 look. Do you know anything more about this filmstock? Thank you!
It’s a color motion picture print stock! So it’s meant to be used for making a print from the negative. It can be shot as a color negative film, though it has a very low iso of around 6 so it’s much more limited in comparison to traditional camera stocks.
Quick note on home developing. Don't just pour the chemicals down the drain. Bring them to your local recycling centre and help fight the biodiversity crisis :)
0:14 You're joking, right? Have you ever even watched 'Star WarS' (not 'Star War')? Besides, the first 'Star Wars' movie as any true fan knows was just called 'Star Wars' originally and later became 'Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope' and 'The Empire Strikes Back' was never called 'Star Wars 2 or II' (that was 'Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan') and 'Return of the Jedi' was never 'Star Wars 3 or III' since 'Empire' and 'Jedi' were episodes V and VI respectively. Here endeth the lesson in valuable Star Wars nerd lore. :)
Made a small mistake at 5:43 in the video when talking about the temperature of the prebath. It should be roughly 70f, not 80!
10F make a difference when it comes to developing color negs I guess :)
Noah: makes 15 minute video on film
All of us: STAR WAR
I literally was just thinking the same thing!!! Star war??? Lol
Haha, yeah, totally stole my attention
I don't get it. Please explain.
star war!!???!?!? wtf!?!? seriously? a channel about film.
@@mhausb6436 he says "Star War" then "Star War 2" etc instead of "Star WarS" and they aren't called 2, 3 etc. It's a deliberate misstatement, along with the ironic mention The Flintstones in Viva Rock Vegas and Robocop 3 as great films (they're not well regarded).
Thanks for linking to my reddit post. I hope I'll have to add many more labs in the future.
Thanks for putting that together!
What great timing. I just took some pics with this type of film and was about to research how to develop it. Thanks for always investing the time to make these useful vids.
That Flic Film kit looks really good! I just ran through the FPP kit but it lacked a stop, prebath and stabaliser. Used 1tbs of baking soda and 1L of warm water did an excellent job! Excellent results I may have to pickup one of these kits!
This is such a great channel. Just enough tech mixed with simple terminology and how it relates to the end goal: the art.
Nice! :)
So good that there is home ecn2 kits available! :)
Have a good week!
Can you do some more 16mm bolex content? I just picked one up and am curious about its quirks and how to set focus, aperature, shutter, fun stuff like that. Thanks so much, this channel is amazing :)
Will be waiting for super8 beast developing ECN2. Thanks for sharing !
Pushing film just posted a video on removing rem-jet with baking soda. Seems pretty cheap and very effective. So definitely a viable alternative
I've been processing all of my color film (Including C-41 film) in ECN-2 for over a year. I semi-stand develop for 45 minutes at room temperature and I'm happy with the results.
how many inversions do you do?
anti-halation is NOT just used there, it is also used in LF sheet film, in this case, it stops back reflections off of the holder centre section from muddling the film with light, a bit like lens flare on a video camera!
Pretty much every film stock (exept cinestill) has an anti-halation layer
@@ПавелПанин-ф2нmost people don't seem to realise that in many films (e.g. Fuji colour films) the antihalation layer is on the emulsion side of the film base and is washed out in processing - some other films have it on the backing side too - it is just that the remjet requires special treatment as it is additionally a mechanical protection layer
Great information. Bulk rolls of movie film are the future. I'm so tired of visiting retailers and seeing what's left of consumer and prosumer films out of stock ... and with few exceptions aren't even as good as this.
I've been using the FPP kit which they list as c41/ecn2 and it's great. I use it for everything without an issue.
Do you a prewash to remove the remjet?
@GasStationSushi. yes, small amount of baking soda and warm water, rinse once or twice.
Thanks Noah!
Thanks for your attention to detail!
One of my favourite TV shows that was shot on film is AMC’s The Killing
0:14 For a guy who looks a bit like a young George Lucas, it's horrifying to hear you refer to 'Star Wars' as 'Star War'. Haha! Fun video just the same, Noah. :)
Thanks for this video ... took away some of my fear of ECN film processing!!!
correction: dissolve powder completely prior topping water up to 500 ml
Don't forget that ORWO movie film in 35mm is coming this year.
In Europe, Silbersalz sells, develops and scans (with ECN-2 chems) for less than 20 EUR a roll. More than bulk-loading from 400' rolls and dev at home but sure less than other options (which usually involve having the films developed with C-41 chems
PS: they also ship outside Europe and VAT-free but I guess it may not be that practical to do so (but happy to be proved wrong!)
For the Australian viewers - 'Melbourne Film Supply' sells remjet remover.
Hey -- your movie list -- sounds familiar -- oh yeah, the AFI Top 25!!!! 🙂
I shoot on Silbersalz35 (from Germany). Included in the priced is developing and highres scanning. It is actually cheaper for me than buying Portra and have it developed locally. Home developing looks interesting, but for me -maybe in the future 😊
AllChrome Lab in Fernie BC develops ECN-2 film!
Check out last weeks podcast episode of Analog Talk with Brandon and Brian Wright (brothers behind Cinestill) they briefly mention, but seem to imply that the new 400D is their first original chemical makeup film stock. That isn't their exact wording, but it was still a vague description, and I don't totally know what it might mean - but would also seem at conflict with their brand of 'cinema film' if it isn't actually... cinema film.
I believe it is some form of the Vision3 emulsion from Kodak, but not one that's just a simple rebrand. Cinestill has enough weight behind them at this point that they can probably afford to commission some sort of custom work from Kodak and even have the film changed to some degree. From there they might be working with even another manufacturer that's coating/finishing the film differently for them in some way. The halation characteristic certainly seems to imply that it's similar to the type of film they've been using at least.
$1 says it's 500D they're saying to rate at 400, not enough to do much either way. And then the same pre-process to remove remjet before rolling it up.
Star War, Star War 2, Star War... 3... Robocop 3... dying laughing....
I kinda only like vision3 at night / indoors, the cast is pretty heavy for daytime stuff I always have to do pretty heavy correction
Hey there, awesome video, make me want to try ECN 2 processing now! Only thing I noticed though, is that @5:45, you mention 20c or 80f in terms of temp. 20c is more like ~68-70f.
A mistake on my part, I had meant to say about 70F. The prebath doesn’t need to be incredibly precise as long as it’s not very hot or cold!
I dont mean to nitpick, but 20°C is actually 68°F. I didn't run the rest of your conversions, but I don't want anybody to mess up their rolls.
5:43
A mistake on my part, I had meant to say about 70F. The prebath doesn’t need to be incredibly precise as long as it’s not very hot or cold!
Hi Noah
Great video learning a lot from your channel
Cheers
Andrew in Ottawa
I didn’t realise all those movies were shot on film. Even Star War 1-3?
1-3 where shot digital. 1 was one of the first movies ever shot on digital!
have you thought about finding a group art show to show off some off your photos you have some very good work here
Why do I feel like some movies shot on 35mm look sharper and cleaner than anything that I've been able to get in a still, even though the frame size in movies is way smaller than on still cameras? Is it the lenses? the development?
If I want to store, shoot, develop, process, and keep color movie film in the desert ( often 120 F. 50 C. ) , what handling should I use.
did you say star war?
super excited about this !!! found 2000ft rolls for $288 that is less than 80 cents a 36exp roll !!!! how do you tell what the ISO is? it just sayus kodak vision 2383 bh 1870. ??? what ISO is that?
That’s motion picture print film and is a little different. Print film isn’t normally meant to be shot in a camera, but it technically can be it just doesn’t have a defined iso because of that. If you shoot it then try exposing it around 3 iso. It also does not have the remjet backing.
@@AnalogResurgence holy crap iso three! What would happen if I were to shoot that at say ISO 25 in the camera? I don't think my camera goes below 25
But at that price it might be worth playing with even if I were limited to say tripod landscape shots
That's enough for over 360 rolls of 36 exposure so that's a lot of film :-)
@@nerys71 If exposed at 25iso then it will be very underexposed.
@@AnalogResurgence do you think if I shot it at 25 and then crank up the exposure compensation that would be enough? How would I calculate the shutter speed offset?
@@nerys71 Hello! Unless I'm misunderstanding. You don't need to set an ISO in a film camera like you do a digital camera, that is usually just there for you to remember what film you have IN the camera at the time.
It may, on some film cameras that have built in metering adjust what the internal meter says.
But I would advise getting a hand held light meter....you set IT to 3 ISO...and then meter your scene, and this way you can get an aperture and shutter speed you can set manually on your film camera to get a proper exposure.
I hope this helps a bit....what film camera are you shooting, that might help us a bit to help you.
Good Luck!!
CC
I do not think a Morse tank will work for 16mm motion picture film. It works for black and white negative because of the longer developing times, which make it more forgiving. I tried black and white reversal in a morse tank, and it was a pain/did not work. The bleach step needs to be done quickly, or you trash the film, and it's hard to wind that much film quickly and evenly. So, I would go back to unspooling the 16mm into buckets 😆
But the last thing I want to say is, don't let me be a downer! The colour CN process may work totally fine in a Morse Tank. A Lomo style tank should totally work though. If I ever see one, I would definitely buy the Lomo. I have seen one, and they seem pretty janky though 🤔
Can we shoot the colour print film?
Star War
You’re going to get into trouble with ITV plc for using “Waterfall”, your intro/ident music from HTV.
If I'm not mistaken, the music belonged to HTV, not ITV. A version of it was first used in 1968, and it was abandoned in 1987. I doubt any remnant of the HTV company is too concerned about a jingle it stopped using 35 years ago. But anyway thanks for identifying it for me.
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What happens if one develops color negative film designed to be developed with c41 chemicals... with ECN2? Like Ultramax 🤔
I was looking for examples of people doing C41 in ECN but saw very few, it really seems to cause some heavy color shifts. It's doable though and I'll keep it in mind for a future video!
This processing kit would work with the expired SFW film, right?
Yep.Seattle Film Works spooled re-cans and ends of ECN2 film into 35mm spools. Many many labs cursed their existence. One roll of this through a C41 machine required a full and complete tear-down of every bit of the machine-flushing the chemistry. cleaning the rollers by hand, etc. etc.
Can you cross process standard C41 photography film in the ECN2 process for a flatter negative?
Probably yes.
I have never developed color before so look this up before trusting me but as far as I understand yes, you just have to remove the remjet.
Edit: I misread your comment, I thought you were asking about developing ECN 2 film in C41 chemistry.
C41 film doesn't have remjet so you don't have to deal with that at all. I was looking for examples of people doing C41 in ECN but saw very few, it really seems to cause some heavy color shifts. It's doable though and I'll keep it in mind for a future video!
did anyone tried c41 film developed in ecn?
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What is Kodak 2383? I know there must be a reason why everyone uses the vision film but why not Kodak 2383? It seems to be way cheaper, but it has a different backing than rimjet, maybe that’s why?
I just can’t find any information on this stuff, every time I look it up I can only find the technical papers on it, or videos and articles on people creating the 2383 look.
Do you know anything more about this filmstock? Thank you!
It’s a color motion picture print stock! So it’s meant to be used for making a print from the negative. It can be shot as a color negative film, though it has a very low iso of around 6 so it’s much more limited in comparison to traditional camera stocks.
@@AnalogResurgence thank you so much for the quick reply, you’re the best!
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I think that TH-cam videos from Canada automatically get demonitized if anyone says "Star Wars" correctly.... 🙂
@@aengusmacnaughton1375 oh that’s hilarious
Quick note on home developing. Don't just pour the chemicals down the drain. Bring them to your local recycling centre and help fight the biodiversity crisis :)
You can't say "Star War" and act as if nothing happened there. Something big happened...!
I'm a pretty big Star War fan!
0:14 You're joking, right? Have you ever even watched 'Star WarS' (not 'Star War')?
Besides, the first 'Star Wars' movie as any true fan knows was just called 'Star Wars' originally and later became 'Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope' and 'The Empire Strikes Back' was never called 'Star Wars 2 or II' (that was 'Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan') and 'Return of the Jedi' was never 'Star Wars 3 or III' since 'Empire' and 'Jedi' were episodes V and VI respectively.
Here endeth the lesson in valuable Star Wars nerd lore. :)
A moment of silence for your fingers for typing all that. 😔🙏🏽
Maybe he’s more of a fan of star treks
Think it may have been a joke
@@okok72277 Yeah for sure. I know Noah was kidding around. That's why I ended my comment with a smiley face. :)
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