Unfortunately, our island John Locke was being manipulated to this outcome for a long time. Who told Richard to tell John, during the flashes, that he was going to have to die? Flocke did. And we've already learned that something else, not Jacob, had been occupying the cabin for quite a while. John was being used, even moreso than Ben..
YES! i always loved how in this episode you go from the most evil terry face to the sweetest terry face you have ever seen. O Quinn is an AMAZING actor. and also who ever knew the monster would be so chatty?? and also, Richard knew exactly who MiB was after the chains quote.....
For the viewer, season 6 separates the journeyman and the faithless. Remember when you were concerned about time travel being introduced and if it would work? You know how that turned out, so embrace the process of the final season, and it will all come together.
"I don't understand" Well, if Locke said it himself, we can conclude that he didn't understand what he was involved in, namely the island. That puts the final nail in his coffin for me. I who would never have followed him. RIP John.
Yeah the show finally gets to its major villain. I love that the final season starts to get into the core mythology - the monster is a major part of the Lost mythos since the Pilot in Season 1. I am so happy they came back to that as the main villain for the show and how it is connected to Locke, how it has been playing a long game through all the seasons preparing all the right parts of his plan - he needed to have the right person to embody and the right person to kill Jacob - his nemesis. All of Locke’s visions/dreams or encounters with the monster, or equally Eko’s encounters with the monster, or Ben’s, or any character that saw a person or thing on the island that shouldn’t technically be there - it could all be viewed as this character deciding which chess pieces it wanted to use for its plan. Looking at each piece and testing them, making them believe the thing it showed to them were maybe for some greater purpose. It completely reframes the show. I can’t wait to see you react to the rest of the season!
"Good to see you out of those chains” might be an iconic line, but when he said I WANT TO GO HOME and put this face expression, that is one of the most epic moments in LOST, change my mind! It's not only about Terry, but in general LOST has one of the best casts in TV history ever ❤
Can we also please just appreciate Michael Giacchino's wonderful score this season? Sure it's been such a huge part of the show thus far but in season 6 he really ramps it up, in my opinion, creating truly beautiful themes for certain locations and characters, especially the LAX theme and also Locke's flash-sideways theme which we first hear in this episode during the scene between Locke and Jack. After 5 seasons he could easily just have used certain themes from before but he didn't. Big up Giacchino! Truly fantastic stuff. 🙌🏻
Shout out to season 1 when Sayid, Sawyer and Shannon shot off the fireworks to triangulate the signal. The Others at the temple must have freaked out since that's their emergency signal.
Juliet's "it worked" part is a detail that is understood later, but you may forget that detail and it's okay. I'll remind you when it happens, because the first time I saw the show I forgot or didn't notice it
At this point, when I first watched the show, I was under the assumption, that all the little changes in the flashsideways are because island was nuked in the past (e.g.Desmond is on the plane, Hurley's "curse") and there was no magical touch from Jacob to influence our characters in this timeline. So I personally cared, because these are basically the same people we know. I'm not saying if I was right or wrong, because spoilers, only that I love how everything comes together in the end.
Class reaction again, bro. By the way, I totally get your initial reservations to these strange new flash-sideways but it's definitely worth paying attention to them.
The flash sideways are important, imo they are even more important than what is happening on the island but i get what you are say, just enjoy and let the mystery be
I don't know if you noticed but the interpreter is John Hawkes. He was the store clerk in "from dusk till dawn" and he also got possessed by the ghost of the student in buffy. The murder suicide in the 50's
The scene between Jack and Locke at the airport is one of my favorites, this Jack is clearly different, he is not as rational as the one we know. I feel that in this season the level of acting of Jack, Sawyer, Locke, Kate and Ben are perfect. It's good that you remember Juliet's "it worked", it will be very important.
Its very difficult to talk about the flash sideways without spoiling things but have faith that it will come together (although it will take a while to get there) and although it may not seem like theres a reason to care about the new versions of the characters there is.
Yeah, Terry O’Quinn has was a blessing in this series. Deserving of his Emmy and multiple nominations. One of my favorite scenes in the entire series was when Flock was talking to Ben in the statue about going home; the way he moves in and out of the shadows was super cool. Get ready for more incredible acting from him for the rest of the series.
it's an Anch, an ancient Egyptian hieroglyph representing life... FYI Vinnie Vincent, Ace Frehley's replacement, wore the Anch makeup and was called the Anch Warrior 👍
FLocke is awesome. Dogan is also one of my favorite characters. He holds his cards close. The LAX side is very cool. I remember when I first saw it. So good!
Now that you know that The Ankh was an important symbol to The Others, let's talk about Paul the Dharma guy who got killed by The Others in 1974. There is speculation that he was an Other sent to spy on Dharma but he married one and got her pregnant. The Others seemed like they were trying to kidnap Paul's wife and unborn child, but Paul resisted and got killed. The evidence for this is that Paul had an Ankh necklace that he was very fond of. This is the biggest clue that he may have been an Other. Also Richard insisted on taking Paul's body probably to give it an Others' funeral. Paul's child Ethan was indoctrinated into The Others at some time probably because they felt he already was one by birth. What actually happened to Paul and his wife that day and why Richard took his body are unsolved mysteries of LOST but this is the most common theory.
Happy New Year Ellie. 2025 has arrived down under. As for the rest of us, it is only hours away. Your LOST reactions are among my best memories of 2024. Have a blessed New Year and continue to smash Season 6. As Hurley said to Ceasar on the Ajira flight, Dude, you might wanna fasten your seatbelt.
Patience, young Padawan. No spoilers, but the flashsideways will come together and make sense, mate. Also, remember what message did Miles deliver to James from Juliette? 😉
That's an Ankh, a cross, that was in Jacob's guitar case. Represents all aspects of life. Incl immortality and reincarnation. 15:15 How could Jacob have had anything to do with Christian's coffin, from Sydney? 🤔 24:44 There's been no resurrection thus far, in Lost.
One of my favorite themes of the show is jack’s father in the coffin. This show has so many Jesus themes but it does it in such a brilliant way. The fact that, throughout the course of the entire show, Jack is still trying to bury his father. And when he finds the coffin in the first season, the coffin is like… empty (like the empty tomb). Anyway. Its too good
@mikeonthebox Season 6 introduced a new narrative technique - the flash sideways. Like flashbacks and flash forwards, flash sideways intercut into episodes' main action a secondary storyline, which covered the centric characters at a different time
@@jagwolf8079 I guess I'll have to go read on the Lostpedia to see what I forgot. But them showing the flight the same way as Episode 1 Season 1 always made me think we are back on day 1.
@@mikeonthebox [Spoilers ahead] Yes it looks like season 1 episode 1, but it's not the same. Chronologically speaking, the flash sideways occur somewhere in time after the events on the Island of season 6. The flash sideways are basically the Epilog of the show.
Elie, do you really think Locke actually went on the walkabout? I always though of it as he lying about it. Never thought about it actually happening. We know Locke lies a lot so.
That expression on “Lockes” face was so incredibly evil. I was wondering if you would point that out. You definitely didn’t disappoint. Like I mentioned with Jacob and the look in his eyes. This MIB character is the complete opposite. Once again emphasizing Good vs Evil and Light vs Darkness.
I think Terry O’Quinn won the Emmy for playing Locke in season three. But the only reason he didn't win for season 6 was because of Bryan Cranston and Vince Gilligan.
Off but on topic, something to keep in mind with Marvel right now is that (in the comics) Secret Wars ends with the total end OF the multiverse, so this phase is being 'reset' soon enough & then we'll KNOW-know who they've brought back or kept dead.
@dfunkt2291 tbh I don't know any/much DCEU at all but if that's what it sounds like, I'm guessing yes. Although I can't attest as to what came first in comic-history.
Agreed. He purposely tells Ben that the something about him that was admirable is that "he knew how pathetic his life was".. No, what made John Locke admirable is that he "believed" in the island (not saying anything more than that for now). The 1 other thing I always try to clear up for Losties is the "myth" that John Locke was a man of faith...this is incorrect. Faith is something you believe in without 'proof' or 'evidence', Locke never had to put his faith in the island, because the island gave him his legs back the moment they crashed.
Tiger stripes: You run I con in S6? Wowza lots of fixation/criticizing stubbornness (Jack) as something so negative vs the back drop of murderers, liars, cons defined by selfish flaws that inflicts damage or injures others because of their actions. . Interesting juxtapositions vs stubbornness. There is a larger narrative in play. Stay the course and the new directions on this island of misfit toys.
Last episode Sayid asks Hurley: “When I die, what do you think will happen to me?” Sayid then goes on to say all the bad he has done and then says, “Wherever I’m going it can’t be pleasant.” This episode he is pronounced dead. Then in the final scene he opens his eyes. He seemingly comes back to life. Another question is, what did he come back to? I mean, where is he at? Something Charlotte said when the Island was skipping through time comes to mind. She said, “This place is Death!” I can’t help but ask again, what did Sayid come back to?
Terry's performance is undoubtedly great, but it's unfortunate how he managed to be the villain in the last series. I remember very well in the discussion forums the information that Terry O'Quinn was against his character being killed off, he conditioned his participation in season 4 to giving another twist to the story, and even more, he negotiated to stay as the villain for season 6, taking the role away from Titus Welliver. It would have been great to see him as the final villain.
Lost: WAY too many episodes. WAY too many seasons. WAY too much cheesy music. WAY too many questions unanswered. The Leftovers was Lindeloffs apology and correction for Lost. That's all
You totally right about the characters of the alternative timeline. They are not the same. And for me is a weak point of the season. Why we should care about them, lets back to the island where our old losties are and things matter. It will pick up eventually but for me it drags the season a lot. Love to see you still loving it. As a rewatch is a pretty fun experience to see these episodes knowing how things wraps up.
I personally love the Flash sideways with how it all comes together. The split timeline of the show has become a staple, at this point we didn't need anymore flashbacks, flashforwards are done with, think this was a fun way to keep the format but the on island stuff has always been the core of the show.
@@thesimpsons17 I think is a good idea on paper. But as a viewer my thoughts until almost the end was, where are they going with this?. I appreciate the intention though. I will say more when it ends
He wasn't completely wrong though. John was as guilty as Jack of not being able to meet in the middle. So desperate to achieve a special purpose that his tunnel vision led him to being used by MiB since way back. It's very sad. But his purpose was to inspire by his failures... so Jack could find the balance.
Unfortunately, our island John Locke was being manipulated to this outcome for a long time. Who told Richard to tell John, during the flashes, that he was going to have to die? Flocke did. And we've already learned that something else, not Jacob, had been occupying the cabin for quite a while. John was being used, even moreso than Ben..
YES! i always loved how in this episode you go from the most evil terry face to the sweetest terry face you have ever seen. O Quinn is an AMAZING actor.
and also who ever knew the monster would be so chatty?? and also, Richard knew exactly who MiB was after the chains quote.....
He's phenomenal, Terry deserves so much praise for his amazing work on the show and Season 6 is my personal favourite from him, fantastic stuff
@@thesimpsons17 Terry turned his acting skills up 12 notches in season 6. It's absolutely incredible.
For the viewer, season 6 separates the journeyman and the faithless.
Remember when you were concerned about time travel being introduced and if it would work?
You know how that turned out, so embrace the process of the final season, and it will all come together.
4:46 The arm Vincent had was Roger’s from the dharma van.
It only took over 5 Seasons. When a spinal surgeon Jack Shephard meets a spinal injured John Locke.
Happy New Year, Elie! I wish you to always remain so energetic and positive. And thank you for all your reactions!
THANK YOUUU SO MUCH, BLESSINGS BRO! 🙏💙🎉
"I don't understand" Well, if Locke said it himself, we can conclude that he didn't understand what he was involved in, namely the island. That puts the final nail in his coffin for me. I who would never have followed him. RIP John.
Ellie, I totally understand your thinking on the sideways characters. All I can say is you will care🫣
Love this show, but i never cared about the sideways stuff. Except for one aspect... its just filler.
@robertcorbett9455 not at all. It's all character development
@@notoriousbmc1 The more you watch it, the more you realize just how deep the sideways is.
I didnt care much about the sideways on first watch. On subsequent watches they are awesome.
The sideways are my favourite part of Season 6.
Yeah the show finally gets to its major villain.
I love that the final season starts to get into the core mythology - the monster is a major part of the Lost mythos since the Pilot in Season 1.
I am so happy they came back to that as the main villain for the show and how it is connected to Locke, how it has been playing a long game through all the seasons preparing all the right parts of his plan - he needed to have the right person to embody and the right person to kill Jacob - his nemesis.
All of Locke’s visions/dreams or encounters with the monster, or equally Eko’s encounters with the monster, or Ben’s, or any character that saw a person or thing on the island that shouldn’t technically be there - it could all be viewed as this character deciding which chess pieces it wanted to use for its plan. Looking at each piece and testing them, making them believe the thing it showed to them were maybe for some greater purpose. It completely reframes the show.
I can’t wait to see you react to the rest of the season!
"Good to see you out of those chains” might be an iconic line, but when he said I WANT TO GO HOME and put this face expression, that is one of the most epic moments in LOST, change my mind!
It's not only about Terry, but in general LOST has one of the best casts in TV history ever ❤
Can we also please just appreciate Michael Giacchino's wonderful score this season? Sure it's been such a huge part of the show thus far but in season 6 he really ramps it up, in my opinion, creating truly beautiful themes for certain locations and characters, especially the LAX theme and also Locke's flash-sideways theme which we first hear in this episode during the scene between Locke and Jack. After 5 seasons he could easily just have used certain themes from before but he didn't. Big up Giacchino! Truly fantastic stuff. 🙌🏻
As others have said.. I get your sentiments with the flash sideways but trust the process.. you will care. :D Happy New Year!!
Happy New Year Losties. Let's go!
Man, that Jack and Locke scene at the airport is so good.
Shout out to season 1 when Sayid, Sawyer and Shannon shot off the fireworks to triangulate the signal. The Others at the temple must have freaked out since that's their emergency signal.
Juliet's "it worked" part is a detail that is understood later, but you may forget that detail and it's okay. I'll remind you when it happens, because the first time I saw the show I forgot or didn't notice it
Cool thing about the Temple is that is was on Danielle's map in season 1
Seeing Richard scared is unnerving. He’s always the guy that seems to know what’s going on. Protect Richard at all costs.
At this point, when I first watched the show, I was under the assumption, that all the little changes in the flashsideways are because island was nuked in the past (e.g.Desmond is on the plane, Hurley's "curse") and there was no magical touch from Jacob to influence our characters in this timeline. So I personally cared, because these are basically the same people we know. I'm not saying if I was right or wrong, because spoilers, only that I love how everything comes together in the end.
I love how Miles says "It doesn't work like that." He still hasn't realized that the island seems to boost his powers.
Class reaction again, bro.
By the way, I totally get your initial reservations to these strange new flash-sideways but it's definitely worth paying attention to them.
Now that we’ve seen Sayid come back from the dead, we now know dead is not necessarily dead. The question is, who or what brought him back to life 🤔
The flash sideways are important, imo they are even more important than what is happening on the island but i get what you are say, just enjoy and let the mystery be
The flash sideways will all come together, just have patience young grasshopper
They are saying it all straight away! Everyone of them.
I don't know if you noticed but the interpreter is John Hawkes. He was the store clerk in "from dusk till dawn" and he also got possessed by the ghost of the student in buffy. The murder suicide in the 50's
He was also in Me and you and everyone we kno, brilliant film
The scene between Jack and Locke at the airport is one of my favorites, this Jack is clearly different, he is not as rational as the one we know.
I feel that in this season the level of acting of Jack, Sawyer, Locke, Kate and Ben are perfect.
It's good that you remember Juliet's "it worked", it will be very important.
I'm finally caught up! Both exciting and sad that its almost over
Well, want to try to help out in the multiverse thing.
On Lost you had:
- Flash Backs;
- Flash Forwards
- & now you have Flash Sideways
;)
Its very difficult to talk about the flash sideways without spoiling things but have faith that it will come together (although it will take a while to get there) and although it may not seem like theres a reason to care about the new versions of the characters there is.
Yeah, Terry O’Quinn has was a blessing in this series. Deserving of his Emmy and multiple nominations. One of my favorite scenes in the entire series was when Flock was talking to Ben in the statue about going home; the way he moves in and out of the shadows was super cool. Get ready for more incredible acting from him for the rest of the series.
it's an Anch, an ancient Egyptian hieroglyph representing life... FYI Vinnie Vincent, Ace Frehley's replacement, wore the Anch makeup and was called the Anch Warrior 👍
FLocke is awesome. Dogan is also one of my favorite characters. He holds his cards close. The LAX side is very cool. I remember when I first saw it. So good!
“What happened?” Sayid woke up n remembered he was actually from London
Now that you know that The Ankh was an important symbol to The Others, let's talk about Paul the Dharma guy who got killed by The Others in 1974. There is speculation that he was an Other sent to spy on Dharma but he married one and got her pregnant. The Others seemed like they were trying to kidnap Paul's wife and unborn child, but Paul resisted and got killed. The evidence for this is that Paul had an Ankh necklace that he was very fond of. This is the biggest clue that he may have been an Other. Also Richard insisted on taking Paul's body probably to give it an Others' funeral. Paul's child Ethan was indoctrinated into The Others at some time probably because they felt he already was one by birth. What actually happened to Paul and his wife that day and why Richard took his body are unsolved mysteries of LOST but this is the most common theory.
I was gonna crash out...but here we go.
Happy New Year Ellie. 2025 has arrived down under. As for the rest of us, it is only hours away. Your LOST reactions are among my best memories of 2024. Have a blessed New Year and continue to smash Season 6. As Hurley said to Ceasar on the Ajira flight, Dude, you might wanna fasten your seatbelt.
Thank you so much, God bless you, bro! Happy New Year! 🎊
Patience, young Padawan. No spoilers, but the flashsideways will come together and make sense, mate. Also, remember what message did Miles deliver to James from Juliette? 😉
That's an Ankh, a cross, that was in Jacob's guitar case. Represents all aspects of life. Incl immortality and reincarnation.
15:15 How could Jacob have had anything to do with Christian's coffin, from Sydney? 🤔
24:44 There's been no resurrection thus far, in Lost.
One of my favorite themes of the show is jack’s father in the coffin. This show has so many Jesus themes but it does it in such a brilliant way. The fact that, throughout the course of the entire show, Jack is still trying to bury his father. And when he finds the coffin in the first season, the coffin is like… empty (like the empty tomb). Anyway. Its too good
Mib: I want to go home 😐🙁☹😠😡
lmfao
the locke scene tho 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Let’s go!
We have finaly reached the flash sideways.
Sideways? They are flashbacks. The island is on 2007 and the flashes are 2004.
@mikeonthebox Season 6 introduced a new narrative technique - the flash sideways. Like flashbacks and flash forwards, flash sideways intercut into episodes' main action a secondary storyline, which covered the centric characters at a different time
@@mikeonthebox oh, they're definitely NOT flashbacks! we can't discuss this yet, but those flashes are not 2004...
@@jagwolf8079 I guess I'll have to go read on the Lostpedia to see what I forgot. But them showing the flight the same way as Episode 1 Season 1 always made me think we are back on day 1.
@@mikeonthebox
[Spoilers ahead]
Yes it looks like season 1 episode 1, but it's not the same.
Chronologically speaking, the flash sideways occur somewhere in time after the events on the Island of season 6.
The flash sideways are basically the Epilog of the show.
21:07 Because Jacob is dead.
yep yep. that has quite a few ripple effects lol
Also: Happy New Year everyone 🎉❤🎉 Can't believe I made it to 2025 😅😂
Elie, do you really think Locke actually went on the walkabout? I always though of it as he lying about it. Never thought about it actually happening. We know Locke lies a lot so.
Yeah, I agree with this. Locke was just fantasizing.
Once again, Netflix split a two hour episode into two parts.
So it actually would have been proper to watch this one back to back.
That ain't Netflix though, it's always been like that since the DVD/Blu-ray was released.
That expression on “Lockes” face was so incredibly evil. I was wondering if you would point that out. You definitely didn’t disappoint. Like I mentioned with Jacob and the look in his eyes. This MIB character is the complete opposite. Once again emphasizing Good vs Evil and Light vs Darkness.
"He was the only one of them that didn't want to leave". Is one of those things that's just not true, Rose wants to stay on the island forever.
The water in the temple is dark and has no healing power. Is it because Jacob has died?🤔
Sayid has revived. How is this possible?
That evil face should have won the Emmy right there 👹
Similar scenes, Jack is trying to reanimate Charly and now Sayid... in both, Kate says, "leave him, he is dead". She was always wrong .
❤
I think Terry O’Quinn won the Emmy for playing Locke in season three. But the only reason he didn't win for season 6 was because of Bryan Cranston and Vince Gilligan.
Off but on topic, something to keep in mind with Marvel right now is that (in the comics) Secret Wars ends with the total end OF the multiverse, so this phase is being 'reset' soon enough & then we'll KNOW-know who they've brought back or kept dead.
So it's Marvel's version of DC crisis on infinite earths kind of shenanigans?
@dfunkt2291 tbh I don't know any/much DCEU at all but if that's what it sounds like, I'm guessing yes. Although I can't attest as to what came first in comic-history.
It pains me to hear Flocke describe Locke as pathetic.
What a jerk.
Agreed. He purposely tells Ben that the something about him that was admirable is that "he knew how pathetic his life was".. No, what made John Locke admirable is that he "believed" in the island (not saying anything more than that for now). The 1 other thing I always try to clear up for Losties is the "myth" that John Locke was a man of faith...this is incorrect. Faith is something you believe in without 'proof' or 'evidence', Locke never had to put his faith in the island, because the island gave him his legs back the moment they crashed.
I realize now why so many people have hard time with s6 after watching the whole show, even many times. S6 plot is most confusing in every story arc.
Dogan! Hiroyuki Sanada!!!
Tiger stripes: You run I con in S6?
Wowza lots of fixation/criticizing stubbornness (Jack) as something so negative vs the back drop of murderers, liars, cons defined by selfish flaws that inflicts damage or injures others because of their actions. . Interesting juxtapositions vs stubbornness. There is a larger narrative in play. Stay the course and the new directions on this island of misfit toys.
Hell yeah!!! I already clicked like but I’ll watch it in just a minute hahaha
Fake Locke talks to the dead like Miles, Jacob talks to the dead like Hurley.
Last episode Sayid asks Hurley: “When I die, what do you think will happen to me?” Sayid then goes on to say all the bad he has done and then says, “Wherever I’m going it can’t be pleasant.”
This episode he is pronounced dead. Then in the final scene he opens his eyes. He seemingly comes back to life. Another question is, what did he come back to? I mean, where is he at?
Something Charlotte said when the Island was skipping through time comes to mind. She said, “This place is Death!”
I can’t help but ask again, what did Sayid come back to?
Terry's performance is undoubtedly great, but it's unfortunate how he managed to be the villain in the last series. I remember very well in the discussion forums the information that Terry O'Quinn was against his character being killed off, he conditioned his participation in season 4 to giving another twist to the story, and even more, he negotiated to stay as the villain for season 6, taking the role away from Titus Welliver. It would have been great to see him as the final villain.
Lost:
WAY too many episodes.
WAY too many seasons.
WAY too much cheesy music.
WAY too many questions unanswered.
The Leftovers was Lindeloffs apology and correction for Lost.
That's all
You totally right about the characters of the alternative timeline. They are not the same. And for me is a weak point of the season. Why we should care about them, lets back to the island where our old losties are and things matter. It will pick up eventually but for me it drags the season a lot. Love to see you still loving it. As a rewatch is a pretty fun experience to see these episodes knowing how things wraps up.
I personally love the Flash sideways with how it all comes together. The split timeline of the show has become a staple, at this point we didn't need anymore flashbacks, flashforwards are done with, think this was a fun way to keep the format but the on island stuff has always been the core of the show.
@@thesimpsons17 I think is a good idea on paper. But as a viewer my thoughts until almost the end was, where are they going with this?. I appreciate the intention though. I will say more when it ends
I Will not stand for Flocke's disrespect towards the GOAT John Locke
He wasn't completely wrong though. John was as guilty as Jack of not being able to meet in the middle. So desperate to achieve a special purpose that his tunnel vision led him to being used by MiB since way back. It's very sad. But his purpose was to inspire by his failures... so Jack could find the balance.