CORRECTION - Cod Warzone has a 250fps cap enabled by default 🤡 After a retest, expect 240-265fps at 1440p low in the city, 300ish when further away. 1080p numbers 280fps -320fps are doable. CPU bound in a lot of cases. 1440p extreme will remain about the same as shown, occasionally going above 250
Same here it's basically the same I'm not gonna switch the dependable 7800x3d for this. Only ppl who are gonna build there first PC or have an older CPU.
I am still on my 4790K :P I will upgrade soon to AM5 but it's not worth buying the x3d chips with current prices, so might just go for 7500f and see if prices drops on 7800x3d at some point.
I've watched so many positive reviews on the Lancool 207 case and you're the only one that's somehow managed to make the back look like a nightmare bro 😂
Those cables will tuck round at the top neatly if they are long enough. I think it's just the PSU choice. 600mm length vs 700mm on something like a seasonic focus. That said, it's good information to know for someone looking to build in this case.
In @PcCentric's defense, Gamers Nexus also complained about the power supply cable space but they didn't think it was bad enough to bring the whole case down
I play in 4K and 1440p with a RTX 4090. I have a Ryzen 7 7800X3D. I don’t see a need to upgrade to the Ryzen 7 9800X3D, but let’s see what that Ryzen 9 9950X3D does… 16 cores 32 threads and 3D V-cache? If it has 3D V-cache on both CCDs, then I’ll be tempted to upgrade.
This is exactly what I wanted to see: a more "realistic" (if you can call owning a 4090 realistic) kind of benchmark. These and the 1080p "true" benchmarks complement each other, giving you a sense of how the CPUs truly compare against each other, but also what kind of real life performance you might expect out of them on your actual rig, in situations where you're more likely to be GPU bound. 1% and 0.1% lows are better though, and that can be significant.
@@jvlivsakamaxiaid lots of reviewer channels provide 1080p/1440p/4K data, just in a limited range of games to show the less difference a faster CPU makes at higher resolution. That was done ad infinitum to 5800x3D with caution on expectations at higher resolution. But chips like the 5800x3D have aged better because faster GPUs handle the higher resolutions better. The CPU test is about establishing ceiling framerates, to hit fps targets on later upgrades with later GPUs. Even then games are patched sometimes removing bottlenecks changing the "real life performance" available with a faster CPU and GPU
@@RobBCactive Absolutely. What I wanted to point out is "lower res" reviews alone may set an unrealistic expectation for uninformed consumers. Let's say "9800X3D is 20% faster than 7800X3D on average". Then you throw away your 7800X3D expecting huge gains, and are surprised by little to no improvement. Even with a 4090 you'd struggle to see a significant difference at this point in time. You'll probably need a 5090 to realize the full potential of that CPU, but then, why bother upgrading it now? Maybe when you get to upgrade your GPU, there's yet a new latest and greatest X3D chip. That's why both sets of data are valuable. They give you insight and the ability to manage expectations. An uplift percentage alone is kind of a liar.
@@jvlivsakamaxiaid well that "on average" depends on game selection, when x3D was first out a lot of game engines were bottle necked, including those would reduce the general performance boost, while excluding undersells the large boost seen in some games. I really don't need to see endless repetition of CPU results with GPU bottlenecks, referring new viewers to past videos makes sense. Uninformed consumers watching reviews are informing themselves, watching HUBs explanation of CPU game testing clears it up. As can be seen the comments people are drawing the wrong conclusions based on "realistic testing".
THANK YOU for showing actual real life resolutions. It is an absolute breath of fresh air over the others that show super low resolution to show off differences I'll never ever care about!!!
@Viex08 speak for yourself. I found it far more helpful than the videos showing low res bullshit. Why test a gaming cpu with a 4090 only to see how fast it can do some god-awful resolution?
@@Viex08 If you're only playing at 4K, this video helps plenty. Every other reviewer reviews at 1080p, there are few who review at 1440p and especially 4k.
Thanks, I'm not seeing enough performance increase to touch my 7800X3D 4090 combo, maybe about 6 months after the 5090 releases ill start shopping around again.
Thanks for adding the full benchmarks at 25:26 for 1440p while not running everything on low! In every other review I've seen they all run everything on low settings to test the ceiling of the CPU bottleneck or just include a limited amount of processor benchmarks for higher graphic settings.
Fantastic Review and Benchmarks comparing 1080p 1440p and 4k resolutions which shows that as I have 7800x3d and RTX 4090 I do not need the 9800x3d and will save my pennies for the 5090 and see how the 9900x3d does as I would like more productivity/rendering capabilities as well as Gaming - Thank You! Great Job Wells Done!
I got a 144Hz Monitor and RTX 2080, First Person games like Doom and Overwatch feels buttery smooth at 144 FPS. I can't imagine how games would look like at 180Hz.
Believe it or not but there is literally no difference between these two. You can't really see that or feel that but 144 Hz to 240 Hz or 144 Hz to 360 Hz are much more noticeable.
240 to 480 hz is definitely a difference but it is a diminishing return type of deal from 60-120 through 120-240 through 280-480 I have that new 4k dual mode oled Lg so speaking from my pov
144hz and beyond have no noticeable difference like from 60 to 144, maybe at 540hz but the most I've experienced was 360hz and I don't see any difference with 144 or 240
@@KingAlucard101 okay, but the gamers buying this $500 CPU are most likely going to pair it with a 4080 and 4090 in conjunction with a high refreshrate 1440p or 4K monitor. It can be faster when the CPU is stressed at 1080p, but we don't care about that. Gamers Nexus and LTT using 1080p sets an unrealistic benchmark for the people buying this CPU because in 99% of cases the CPU is going to be around 20-30% usage.
I have a 2080ti with a i9990k for 5 years now. I mainly play call of duty warzone, but frames have been dropping so bad recently. Should I wait for the 5090 to release or just buy a new rig right now to play warzone?
I have the 7800X3D. Love it. Although I play mostly Escape From Tarkov and the new video Pyurologie released showing the average FPS increasing by 30+ FPS on Streets of Tarkov (Online) at 1440P is pretty impressive. Still not going to upgrade but the 9800X3D does pack an even bigger punch than the 7800X3D's powerful one- at least in Escape From Tarkov.
Thanks you very much for these useful benchmarks! You are the only one showing results including 4K gaming. Now I don't feel the need to upgrade my 7900X to 9800X3D any more and waste money on just 10 fps boost.
Got the first one sold at Microcenter this morning at St. Davids. Going to mate it with QVL 8000Mt/s KLEVV DDR5, and MSI X870E CARBON MB. LETS ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@pkilljoy5797 I have seen that it gives a few more FPS as much as 10fps on certain games. This is my gamer and I use 5900x with 64gigs on a crosshair hero VIII. for my productivity PC. in a FD North Blk. The New 9800X3D and the 4080 Super go into my new Smoker!
If I had to guess closer to 3,000 to 3,500 dollars but I can put the parts into pc part picker and see how much it actually costs. Do you need help with a parts list?
Your charts are great. It's been hard to find data on 1440p gaming. I get that 1080p is what helps show the difference in cpu's, but many people looking for a new cpu are looking for 1440p gaming. Typical use case is a valid consideration. Very interesting, the 9800x and 9700x are enticing choices at 1440p. Solid average FPS and solid .1% lows. Those cpu's could be very attractive during Black Friday, if there's good deals. All while maintaining excellent productivity.
Bro, you won't see differences on 1440p on most games (only cpu heavy/bound games show significant differences regardless of resolution). There was an LTT video a while back showing that the graphs for at the time the 5800x3d + 3090 ti vs the current intel stack at time + 3090ti were pretty much the same on 1440p and 4k, it's only when you go at 1080p you begin to see major differences.
I was thinking about getting a new pc after the RTX5090 comes out, should I go for 9800X3D or Ultra 285K? (for streaming/gaming/editing) or 9950X? I'm on a 9900k with a 1080ti and they were amazing for almost 6 years now. Thanks!
Building my first PC, gonna do an ITX, and with the 7800 X3D price, I just bought this on Amazon this morning. Any tips from anyone for my build? Cooling? Bottleneck? Power Supply? Ill take any! Thankyou! Thankyou also for the content!
@@BlazedReefer ok and I would buy now unless if you have an electronics store near buy or if you want to wait until prices possibly come down but that can be months and if you need the extra power then sell the gpu you might buy now to put towards the new gpu
My PC died last week 😢 been my loyal companion for 8 years .. I have money saved up ready for a new one.. BUT is it worth investing in one right now and getting a 4090 or wait till the 5090 comes out early next year ? I can live with out one for a couple of months as have a steam deck to help with the gaming itch …
I know it's complete overkill for the vast majority of people but the RTX 4090 is a monster of a card. I think it will take another 2 or 3 generations of GPU's before we can truly appreciate how much performance that thing was offering for it's time.
Just bought a ryzen 7 9800 X3d but pairing it with a MSI MAG X870 TOMAHAWK WIFI Motherboard instead. Is this a good pairing or should I go for the the ASUS ROG X870E HERO in this video, which is over double the price?
Damn... not bad. I'm waiting to pair the up & coming RTX 5090 with possibly the Ryzen 9950X3D in 2 months time... but I will admit I'm jealous right now.
I actually think you got cod wrong and in general, I think you're not thinking about the game engine not being able to produce more than 250 fps, which is pretty common Im having that same issue with my 4090 and a fixed 7950x3D, I'm GPU bound in most my games and if not, then it seems the game engine is the limiting factor if all of my CPU cores, and my GPU aren't at 100% utilization. I think the 9800x3D might need a 5090 in the future to increase fps, because as of now, no gpu and game engine can beat the 9800x3D. None of your CPU cores hit 100% utilization, and your 4090 was at 90%. There was performance on the table, and I experience the same thing and can't go above 250 fps, and my settings says my fps is uncapped. I think the engine might be maxed out at 250 fps. I haven't played warzone bo6, I only played bo6 multiplayer
like me who has 7950x3d you are best waiting till next year for 9950x3d.........who the fk downgrades from 16 core to 8 why did you get the 7950x3d in the first place to do that......
@Anon1370 was doing video editing and using blender a lot for my job but recently changed job titles and no longer am needing my comp primarily for those tasks anymore and have been using it more for gamming of late I run games at 4k 240hz with a 4090 but was just wanting a few extra frames in games but I'll just wait till they drop 9950x3d and see if it's gonna be a massive improvement
Some people say they don't care about ray tracing, and that's why x7900xtx. But by that logic you may as well put everything on medium and just have a 1080ti. If you have a top tier GPU, you are likely playing modern games with ray tracing. It is worth turning on, and this is why AMDs next gen has a huge focus on this. AMD have conceded that they can't compete with Nvidia at the highest end. The x7900xtx is a much better value GPU, especially at £715 now compared to £1200 for a 4090. And especially if you mainly play COD or other AMD optimised games. However, if you really want true MAX settings for you monitor, then you'd unfortunately need a 4090, and make the savings elsewhere... Like even using a 14700k or DDR4 ram, last gen SSD, ATX form factor case, mobo etc. as this won't effect FPS/ game play, but will save you a few hundred £ to get the 4090... You have a solid card, in Jan the 5090 is revealed which will make use of pcie5. So you're never going to have the best for very long, and that money will do you more favours in Bitcoin than it will chasing the impossible dream.
Is there any benefit in me upgrading to the 7 9800X3D from a i7 9800k, if I game at 4k? I have a 4080 GPU and sometimes my CPU hit close to100% in games like Forza Motorsport.
You mean i7 9700K? You as well as I need to upgrade. I have an i7 9700K with RTX 3080. I find myself CPU limited in some games. One game for example is No Man's Sky even at 4K.
@@dwu9369 Yeah, sorry the Intel i7 9700K. I even cap my fps at 90 to 100 and still sometimes limited and some even crash! Should be a great upgrade - never going back to Intel!
i got my hands on a 9800X3D today i managed to get one from Scan for £449.99, the last part i needed for my new build i cant wait for it arrive tomorrow and start my build :).
Quick question .....I have an i5 4690 with GTX 1080. I'm not rich and can only upgrade one item. Either i5-12600KF CPU with ddr 4 and a new motherboard or MSI Gaming GeForce RTX 4070 12GB.
New CPU, new RAM, and new motherboard for sure. You're CPU limited big time. I can tell you from experience. I had a similar CPU and GPU generation. It was an i7 4820k, 16 GB DDR3, and 1080 Ti. The last game I attempted to play on that build was Assassin's Creed Origins and it was a bad experience from the get go. When i7 9700K launched, I upgraded to that with 32 GB DDR4, but kept the 1080 Ti. The game ran like butter.
Yay, a useful set of figures, thanks! Everyone else seems to be set on 1080p (or even 720p 500+fps) benchmarks which are no use to me whatsoever, I play at 4k and it's really helpful to know that the 7800 is just as quick as the 9800. I'm upgrading from a 10600K and was wondering whether to hold out for the 9900 or 9950, this suggests I'm unlikely to see a significant improvement at 4k gaming for the extra outlay so you've almost certainly saved me a couple hundred pound :)
You don't understand what the CPU gaming benchmarks are telling you. It's about telling you the ceiling fps rate you can expect with that CPU in particular games. So if you target solid 60Hz @4K then you can go to game benchmarks and see what CPUs manage that, in some games CPUs will struggle. If you want 120Hz @4K then your options are far more limited. That is a canary in a coal mine, especially when it's newer titles that need better CPUs than 10600K with a weak platform with just PCI3. You really going to run a high end GPU on PCIE3? The 3090 was already bottlenecked by that in 2020. Will future GPUs require a new CPU or is a 10600K going to see CPU bottlenecking more serious than that shown in this video. 90% GPU utilisation is only slight performance loss. The benchmarking was also compromised by using the AMD pre-install which is W11 23H2, when those reviewers who switched to 24H2 found a good performance increase in line with AMD's claims. What happens to your 4K gaming if you choose to use upscaling, then your game is working often at 1440p not 4K, many games secretly reduced game resolution for performance reasons then upscaled themselves, the manufacturers have improved on what was feasible for individual game devs to produce.
there was some talk about the cpu bottlenecking in certain games, I wandered if this were the case for a cpu like a 7900x3d? Do you think it would be smoothing out that bottleneck with more cores ?
I'm gearing up to build a pc in time for the new monster hunter, I've built in the past but I'm not very knowledgeable do you have nay recommendations of a place to go to talk to someone who is?
You can go as low as a b650 or a b650e or a x670 or x670e or x870 or x870e. Look at the hardware unboxed motherboard videos to see what you need for your pc and what is in your price range. My pc is an all white build and I went with the gigabyte aorus x870e motherboard and it is clean. This is more then what I need and I only paid 350 to 400 dollars. I gave my bro my nzxt b650e motherboard and corsair vengeance cl34 ram for his upgrade. I will also give him my 7800x3d when my 9800x3d arrives soon.
@pccentric I need your help. Im looking to build a pc specifically to play Warzone. ill be using a 4090 but i will also be live streaming so my question is what would be thw best CPU and mother board combo to use. Also i want to go with a white case what are the best qhite casea that offer thest astetics and cable managment in your opinion?
@@Rivstarit won’t. It has to get through customs, and half of the CPU have already been sold out. We won’t see in retailers (that’s no a pre-order system either) until at least the end of the month, November.
8:54 that's why I bought an XL case this time. Under the desk gone and forgotten, while mainteneance is much easier. 22:05 Also, none of the CPU cores are maxing out either, as well as the GPU not maxing.
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CORRECTION - Cod Warzone has a 250fps cap enabled by default 🤡 After a retest, expect 240-265fps at 1440p low in the city, 300ish when further away. 1080p numbers 280fps -320fps are doable. CPU bound in a lot of cases. 1440p extreme will remain about the same as shown, occasionally going above 250
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Hello sir, is EXPO enabled or disabled in the bios settings of this system? I would appreciate it if you could answer me, thank you.
@@BarisBilenEsport Enabled
@@PcCentric thank you sir
I have this case and a similar setup… my cable management is nice and clean. Everything is tied up sweet… I actually love this case..
I am glad I don't have to upgrade my 7800x3d.
I've had mine for a bit with a 3070 my 7900xtx arrives today so excited. I didn't want to upgrade cpu after buying the gpu upgrade 😅
Same, waiting for the 11800X3D
Same here it's basically the same I'm not gonna switch the dependable 7800x3d for this. Only ppl who are gonna build there first PC or have an older CPU.
same here lmao i love my 7800x3d
nobody should upgrade CPUs every generation to begin with, tf.
Have just bought 9800X3D, at last I will upgrade from 4790K :D
same here upgraded from a 6 year old i9-9900k
My system was 9 years old i7 6700k
Upgrading from the 9900K.
@@aXDroptimus Can't wait to upgrade my 9900K as well
I am still on my 4790K :P I will upgrade soon to AM5 but it's not worth buying the x3d chips with current prices, so might just go for 7500f and see if prices drops on 7800x3d at some point.
I've watched so many positive reviews on the Lancool 207 case and you're the only one that's somehow managed to make the back look like a nightmare bro 😂
Nowhere else for the cables to go that dont end up in the lower fans :(
Those cables will tuck round at the top neatly if they are long enough.
I think it's just the PSU choice.
600mm length vs 700mm on something like a seasonic focus.
That said, it's good information to know for someone looking to build in this case.
@@PcCentrichello, just a question what do you do with the pc’s you build? I was looking to get one if you sell them😅
@@PcCentric Cable management could be easily solved with cable extensions
In @PcCentric's defense, Gamers Nexus also complained about the power supply cable space but they didn't think it was bad enough to bring the whole case down
I play in 4K and 1440p with a RTX 4090. I have a Ryzen 7 7800X3D. I don’t see a need to upgrade to the Ryzen 7 9800X3D, but let’s see what that Ryzen 9 9950X3D does… 16 cores 32 threads and 3D V-cache? If it has 3D V-cache on both CCDs, then I’ll be tempted to upgrade.
Bro has an infinite money generator farm 💀
@ I just have access to credit and a good paying job, as well.
Thanks for doing 1440p and 4K comparisons, none of the major review sites will show 1440p and 4K benchmarks anymore. You got a new subscriber.
Because 1440p and 4K are usually bottlenecked by the GPU, so you ain’t gonna see any difference over a 7800x3d
Finally a reviewer who did a 4k testing.
I wish he showed everything without any DLSS
Exactly! with this kind of test, hope he had included a native resolution testing.
4k testing THANK YOU!
This is exactly what I wanted to see: a more "realistic" (if you can call owning a 4090 realistic) kind of benchmark. These and the 1080p "true" benchmarks complement each other, giving you a sense of how the CPUs truly compare against each other, but also what kind of real life performance you might expect out of them on your actual rig, in situations where you're more likely to be GPU bound. 1% and 0.1% lows are better though, and that can be significant.
@@jvlivsakamaxiaid lots of reviewer channels provide 1080p/1440p/4K data, just in a limited range of games to show the less difference a faster CPU makes at higher resolution. That was done ad infinitum to 5800x3D with caution on expectations at higher resolution. But chips like the 5800x3D have aged better because faster GPUs handle the higher resolutions better.
The CPU test is about establishing ceiling framerates, to hit fps targets on later upgrades with later GPUs. Even then games are patched sometimes removing bottlenecks changing the "real life performance" available with a faster CPU and GPU
@@RobBCactive Absolutely. What I wanted to point out is "lower res" reviews alone may set an unrealistic expectation for uninformed consumers. Let's say "9800X3D is 20% faster than 7800X3D on average". Then you throw away your 7800X3D expecting huge gains, and are surprised by little to no improvement. Even with a 4090 you'd struggle to see a significant difference at this point in time. You'll probably need a 5090 to realize the full potential of that CPU, but then, why bother upgrading it now? Maybe when you get to upgrade your GPU, there's yet a new latest and greatest X3D chip.
That's why both sets of data are valuable. They give you insight and the ability to manage expectations. An uplift percentage alone is kind of a liar.
@@jvlivsakamaxiaid well that "on average" depends on game selection, when x3D was first out a lot of game engines were bottle necked, including those would reduce the general performance boost, while excluding undersells the large boost seen in some games.
I really don't need to see endless repetition of CPU results with GPU bottlenecks, referring new viewers to past videos makes sense.
Uninformed consumers watching reviews are informing themselves, watching HUBs explanation of CPU game testing clears it up. As can be seen the comments people are drawing the wrong conclusions based on "realistic testing".
realistically 0 fortnite players will play on epic / high graphics ever so that benchmark was kinda wasted
THANK YOU for showing actual real life resolutions. It is an absolute breath of fresh air over the others that show super low resolution to show off differences I'll never ever care about!!!
Because you benchmark CPU's at lower resolution. This video helps NOTHING at all
@Viex08 speak for yourself. I found it far more helpful than the videos showing low res bullshit. Why test a gaming cpu with a 4090 only to see how fast it can do some god-awful resolution?
@@Viex08 If you're only playing at 4K, this video helps plenty. Every other reviewer reviews at 1080p, there are few who review at 1440p and especially 4k.
@Viex08 This video helps me save money on buying a new CPU rather than watching TH-camrs who use 1080p to exaggerate the significant performance gains
@@andremessado7659 hehe and thats why i dont need to upgrade from my R5800X3D. I'll upgrade to 4k..so problem solved when playing 1080p^^.
Building the fastest computer ever and you've replaced the 28cl for 30cl because of Asthetics.
Bless you. I think you've just become one of us....
Can't have silver/white ram in a black build now can he
@Rivstar :D
Thanks, I'm not seeing enough performance increase to touch my 7800X3D 4090 combo, maybe about 6 months after the 5090 releases ill start shopping around again.
Thanks for adding the full benchmarks at 25:26 for 1440p while not running everything on low! In every other review I've seen they all run everything on low settings to test the ceiling of the CPU bottleneck or just include a limited amount of processor benchmarks for higher graphic settings.
Perfect review, all I needed to know thanks
Fantastic Review and Benchmarks comparing 1080p 1440p and 4k resolutions which shows that as I have 7800x3d and RTX 4090 I do not need the 9800x3d and will save my pennies for the 5090 and see how the 9900x3d does as I would like more productivity/rendering capabilities as well as Gaming - Thank You! Great Job Wells Done!
I got a 144Hz Monitor and RTX 2080, First Person games like Doom and Overwatch feels buttery smooth at 144 FPS. I can't imagine how games would look like at 180Hz.
Believe it or not but there is literally no difference between these two. You can't really see that or feel that but 144 Hz to 240 Hz or 144 Hz to 360 Hz are much more noticeable.
240 to 480 hz is definitely a difference but it is a diminishing return type of deal from 60-120 through 120-240 through 280-480 I have that new 4k dual mode oled Lg so speaking from my pov
240hz
I have 144hz and 170hz monitor there is no difference. I heard that you need to double your current refresh rate to notice a difference.
144hz and beyond have no noticeable difference like from 60 to 144, maybe at 540hz but the most I've experienced was 360hz and I don't see any difference with 144 or 240
Good video with real use cases. The 7800X3D despite being older is holding up very well.
Got my hands on the 9800x3d today. I am upgrading from i9 12900k so my 4090 4k setup should be very happy
@F3RGZILLA i went from 12900k to 7800x3d, and in msfs2020 on triple screen, the performance gain was very noticeable. So yeah, good choice
Cheers Marcus and graph chap! Really really helpful video
Imagine the 9800X3D paired with upcoming 5090 = holy smokes.
lol soon as it comes out that the first thing where all gonna see!😂 and I can’t wait!
I want to see this, some games seem to have FPS limitations, so it may be fairly redundant
I mean they are literally FPS Capped
Well you'll be in 4K with a 5090 so having 9800X3D is not even necessary.
but you are a peasant amd fanboy... no 5090 for you
FINALLY..... some real world 1440p and 4K comparisons.
It's a CPU. Gaming At 4K will show GPU bottleneck not CPU bottleneck.
@@KingAlucard101 okay, but the gamers buying this $500 CPU are most likely going to pair it with a 4080 and 4090 in conjunction with a high refreshrate 1440p or 4K monitor. It can be faster when the CPU is stressed at 1080p, but we don't care about that. Gamers Nexus and LTT using 1080p sets an unrealistic benchmark for the people buying this CPU because in 99% of cases the CPU is going to be around 20-30% usage.
@@aHungiePanda 100% correct. The complete insanity benchmarking this CPU at 1080p is astonishing.
I have a 2080ti with a i9990k for 5 years now. I mainly play call of duty warzone, but frames have been dropping so bad recently. Should I wait for the 5090 to release or just buy a new rig right now to play warzone?
What is your budget? Buy the new rig now. I am telling you the new parts will be hard to find and buy unless if you live near an electronics store.
I have the 7800X3D. Love it. Although I play mostly Escape From Tarkov and the new video Pyurologie released showing the average FPS increasing by 30+ FPS on Streets of Tarkov (Online) at 1440P is pretty impressive. Still not going to upgrade but the 9800X3D does pack an even bigger punch than the 7800X3D's powerful one- at least in Escape From Tarkov.
Thanks you very much for these useful benchmarks! You are the only one showing results including 4K gaming. Now I don't feel the need to upgrade my 7900X to 9800X3D any more and waste money on just 10 fps boost.
So going from intel i7-14700k with a 4090 to the ryzen 7 9800X3d, should I not expect any difference really? I have a 4k oled 32’’ minitor
Yes there should be a difference and look at benchmark videos on youtube.
This is what I been waiting for
Just got one and will be coming from a Ryzen 5 3600x can’t wait to do my build this weekend.
What are your pc specs?
@ coming from a Ryzen 5 3600x w/ 2080 super, and going to a 9800x3d w 4080 super
@@Papicodone that will be a huge upgrade.
I’m using a 10700k, would it be ideal to upgrade? Also have a 4090.
Yes this will be a huge upgrade. Pick the 7800x3d or the 9800x3d.
Got the first one sold at Microcenter this morning at St. Davids. Going to mate it with QVL 8000Mt/s KLEVV DDR5, and MSI X870E CARBON MB.
LETS ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
why the 8000mt/s? Everything ive seen says 6000 is the way to go even on ryzen 9000
@@pkilljoy5797 I have seen that it gives a few more FPS as much as 10fps on certain games. This is my gamer and I use 5900x with 64gigs on a crosshair hero VIII. for my productivity PC. in a FD North Blk.
The New 9800X3D and the 4080 Super go into my new Smoker!
Great build! This is the Dell Alienware AW2725DF? Do you like better over the other 27’’ OLED monitors?
I have a 5800x paired up with a 7900 GRE running games at 1440p. Planning to upgrade, should I go for 7800x3d or the 9800x3d. Tia!
Whichever one fits in your budget.
What’s the cost of this entire build? I know I could look at each major component, but just wanted to make sure I’m not missing anything.
If I had to guess closer to 3,000 to 3,500 dollars but I can put the parts into pc part picker and see how much it actually costs. Do you need help with a parts list?
Your charts are great. It's been hard to find data on 1440p gaming. I get that 1080p is what helps show the difference in cpu's, but many people looking for a new cpu are looking for 1440p gaming. Typical use case is a valid consideration.
Very interesting, the 9800x and 9700x are enticing choices at 1440p. Solid average FPS and solid .1% lows. Those cpu's could be very attractive during Black Friday, if there's good deals. All while maintaining excellent productivity.
Bro, you won't see differences on 1440p on most games (only cpu heavy/bound games show significant differences regardless of resolution). There was an LTT video a while back showing that the graphs for at the time the 5800x3d + 3090 ti vs the current intel stack at time + 3090ti were pretty much the same on 1440p and 4k, it's only when you go at 1080p you begin to see major differences.
Am I correct, you used a Be Quiet 850watts power supply using a rtx4090 video card? No issue encountered?
The lowest you can go is with an 850 watt power supply or maybe lower depending on the games you play and at what settings etc.
Hi, What type of cable are you using for your 4090? Is that the stock one, or an aftermarket? I'm looking for one now so, recommendations?
Is your build black or white? You can look at asiahorse cables.
Just bought the 9800X3D today to upgrade from my old 5900X.
Should definitely help the 4K gaming paired with my 4090.
If I want the 9800x3d should I buy it on release price or wait till Black Friday for lower price?
These literally just came out. They won't get cheaper till next year...
Wait until black friday or until prices lower.
Im more than happy with my 7700x 4070 super for the foreseeable
I was thinking about getting a new pc after the RTX5090 comes out, should I go for 9800X3D or Ultra 285K? (for streaming/gaming/editing) or 9950X?
I'm on a 9900k with a 1080ti and they were amazing for almost 6 years now.
Thanks!
The 9950x3d will be made just for you!
Or 9900X3D.
Or even a 14700K and some new games!
Just please not the intel ultras. Rushed TSMC manufacturing for Intel did more harm than good.
Depends on what resolution you play
@@PcCentric tyvm! Even if I intend to stream with the gpu this would be the better option over the 9800X3D?
@@lolcatmaroon I don't know much about the new processor, is there a 9900X3D in plans?
FInally a review that have 4k benchmarks, good job.
At 4k you benchmark the GPU not the CPU.
@@Viex08 says deluded amd fanboys, more fps for counter strike and fortnite LOL
@@cesaru3619Incorrect as usual. The intel soy cope is real.
I have not built a PC in a good few years, has installing an AMD CPU changed? Since Ryzen 5 5600X?
No I don't think so.
Really curious how does 7600x3d compare to these 2 in 2k and 4k gaming. It’s in more people’s budget and matter. Please do a video!
Look at youtube benchmarks videos.
I'm rocking a 7800x3d and works great! NVIDIA 4090 as well!
Building my first PC, gonna do an ITX, and with the 7800 X3D price, I just bought this on Amazon this morning.
Any tips from anyone for my build? Cooling? Bottleneck? Power Supply? Ill take any! Thankyou!
Thankyou also for the content!
What are your pc parts you bought so far?
So im building a new pc from fresh, would you recommend the 9800x3d over the 7800x3d or does the price not justify the differences?
What is your budget? I would go with the 9800x3d if the prices aren't to bad but if the prices are crazy go with the 7800x3d.
@MrAnimescrazy i already decided and ordered the 9800x3d lol
@@BlazedReefer nice and what are your pc specs?
@MrAnimescrazy im still building it pal so everything is new gen... debating waiting for the 50series GPU
@@BlazedReefer ok and I would buy now unless if you have an electronics store near buy or if you want to wait until prices possibly come down but that can be months and if you need the extra power then sell the gpu you might buy now to put towards the new gpu
im about to buy this cpu, im gonna be using a 4070 super with it, will it work properly ?
Yes.
@ thanks
My PC died last week 😢 been my loyal companion for 8 years .. I have money saved up ready for a new one.. BUT is it worth investing in one right now and getting a 4090 or wait till the 5090 comes out early next year ? I can live with out one for a couple of months as have a steam deck to help with the gaming itch …
I know it's complete overkill for the vast majority of people but the RTX 4090 is a monster of a card. I think it will take another 2 or 3 generations of GPU's before we can truly appreciate how much performance that thing was offering for it's time.
Just bought a ryzen 7 9800 X3d but pairing it with a MSI MAG X870 TOMAHAWK WIFI Motherboard instead. Is this a good pairing or should I go for the the ASUS ROG X870E HERO in this video, which is over double the price?
B650E strix is a good shout
Depends on the price but the x870 is more then good enough.
Damn... not bad. I'm waiting to pair the up & coming RTX 5090 with possibly the Ryzen 9950X3D in 2 months time... but I will admit I'm jealous right now.
I actually think you got cod wrong and in general, I think you're not thinking about the game engine not being able to produce more than 250 fps, which is pretty common Im having that same issue with my 4090 and a fixed 7950x3D, I'm GPU bound in most my games and if not, then it seems the game engine is the limiting factor if all of my CPU cores, and my GPU aren't at 100% utilization. I think the 9800x3D might need a 5090 in the future to increase fps, because as of now, no gpu and game engine can beat the 9800x3D.
None of your CPU cores hit 100% utilization, and your 4090 was at 90%. There was performance on the table, and I experience the same thing and can't go above 250 fps, and my settings says my fps is uncapped. I think the engine might be maxed out at 250 fps. I haven't played warzone bo6, I only played bo6 multiplayer
Is it worth upgrading from an i9-9900k? I rock it w a 3080 and game at 1440p
Is it worth the upgrade from 7950x3d to this chip or no
Upgrade from 16 cores to 8 ? Seems like a downgrade
I'd say wait for 9950X3D and check then
like me who has 7950x3d you are best waiting till next year for 9950x3d.........who the fk downgrades from 16 core to 8 why did you get the 7950x3d in the first place to do that......
@@Anon1370
Quite literally
I'm waiting for 9950x3d because games I play are more CPU dependent usually and I plan on doing video editing
@Anon1370 was doing video editing and using blender a lot for my job but recently changed job titles and no longer am needing my comp primarily for those tasks anymore and have been using it more for gamming of late I run games at 4k 240hz with a 4090 but was just wanting a few extra frames in games but I'll just wait till they drop 9950x3d and see if it's gonna be a massive improvement
@@connernickol4820
I'd wait also because by then the 9800X3D price could drop a bit
Also mind you game optimization plays a huge role, some games play butter smooth, and some games stutters even on the most high end CPU and GPU
I have a 4090 i9 14900k Intel should I switch to ryzen 9800X3D for gaming or is the Intel fine ?
Did you flash the bios? Or it just worked
what's your monitor btw ?
Never thought I'd switch from intel to amd, but I have a 10900k and it's time to upgrade. The 9800 looks like the only option here.
Legend
How much did you spend for the wole pc?
Do you want to buy the pc parts?
Best man!
I am running a 7800x3d and a 7900xtx, is the 4090 that much better?
For 1440p no need to switch to 4090, FOR 4k 4090 would be better. However, 7900xtx is a great card. Just be happy with it and dont waste your money.
Some people say they don't care about ray tracing, and that's why x7900xtx.
But by that logic you may as well put everything on medium and just have a 1080ti.
If you have a top tier GPU, you are likely playing modern games with ray tracing.
It is worth turning on, and this is why AMDs next gen has a huge focus on this. AMD have conceded that they can't compete with Nvidia at the highest end.
The x7900xtx is a much better value GPU, especially at £715 now compared to £1200 for a 4090. And especially if you mainly play COD or other AMD optimised games.
However, if you really want true MAX settings for you monitor, then you'd unfortunately need a 4090, and make the savings elsewhere... Like even using a 14700k or DDR4 ram, last gen SSD, ATX form factor case, mobo etc. as this won't effect FPS/ game play, but will save you a few hundred £ to get the 4090...
You have a solid card, in Jan the 5090 is revealed which will make use of pcie5. So you're never going to have the best for very long, and that money will do you more favours in Bitcoin than it will chasing the impossible dream.
i have the 7950x3d do i need upgrade or no? i have a RTX 4090
No but look at comparisons of the 7950x3d vs the 9800x3d.
To play at 4K resolution with an RTX 4090, is it worth changing my Ryzen 7 5800X for this 9800X3D?
Yes you with see a big upgrade in performance.
Is there any benefit in me upgrading to the 7 9800X3D from a i7 9800k, if I game at 4k? I have a 4080 GPU and sometimes my CPU hit close to100% in games like Forza Motorsport.
You mean i7 9700K? You as well as I need to upgrade. I have an i7 9700K with RTX 3080. I find myself CPU limited in some games. One game for example is No Man's Sky even at 4K.
@@dwu9369 Yeah, sorry the Intel i7 9700K. I even cap my fps at 90 to 100 and still sometimes limited and some even crash! Should be a great upgrade - never going back to Intel!
Yes upgrade to the 7800x3d or the 9800x3d.
Big thumbs up for not forgetting about the COD bros. 😁
How is the experience playing 1440p on a 4k monitor, is it pixilated or its okay?
It can be blurry I guess depending on the settings and the games you play.
Good job SKELETON boy!!!!
I just upgraded from a R7 3700x to a R5 7600X3D for my 4070 super and it’s the best upgrade for my build
That is a huge upgrade.
Is 7800x3d a bottleneck to 4090? Just asking
GPU will probably be a bottleneck at 1080p yes,.1440p and upwards i would say no
i got my hands on a 9800X3D today i managed to get one from Scan for £449.99, the last part i needed for my new build i cant wait for it arrive tomorrow and start my build :).
What are your pc specs?
@@MrAnimescrazy
MSI AMD MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI AM5 DDR5 ATX Gaming Motherboard
AMD Ryzen™ 7 9800X3D, AM5, Zen 5, 8 Core, 16 Thread, 4.7GHz, 5.2GHz Turbo, 104MB Cache, PCIe 5.0, 120W, CPU
XFX AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX Speedster MERC 310 Graphics Card for Gaming - 24GB
G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO RGB 32GB DDR5 6000MHz RAM Desktop Memory for Gaming
Samsung 990 PRO NVMe M.2 SSD, 2 TB, PCIe 4.0, 7,450 MB/s read, 6,900 MB/s write
2TB WD Black SN770 M.2 (2280) PCIe 4.0 (x4) NVMe SSD, 5150MB/s Read, 4850MB/s Write
Thermalright Frozen Prism 360 White ARGB AIO Water Cooler,Liquid CPU Cooler
Corsair RM1000e (2023) Fully Modular Low-Noise ATX Power Supply
NZXT H7 Flow RGB Case
I’ve got a 4080 super with i7 14700 . Should I upgrade to the i7 14700k?
No u don't have too. Lock the performance cores out and game your heart out bruh. U have a great combo there
Any MX-6 Thermal Compound between CPU and cooler?
Quick question .....I have an i5 4690 with GTX 1080. I'm not rich and can only upgrade one item.
Either i5-12600KF CPU with ddr 4 and a new motherboard or MSI Gaming GeForce RTX 4070 12GB.
New CPU, new RAM, and new motherboard for sure. You're CPU limited big time. I can tell you from experience. I had a similar CPU and GPU generation. It was an i7 4820k, 16 GB DDR3, and 1080 Ti. The last game I attempted to play on that build was Assassin's Creed Origins and it was a bad experience from the get go. When i7 9700K launched, I upgraded to that with 32 GB DDR4, but kept the 1080 Ti. The game ran like butter.
Is this worth upgrading to if i have an i7 10700k? I have an rtx 4090 and I always go for 4k.
yes
Go and buy an oled monitor is gona make your gaming experience better than any cpu
Yes this will be a big upgrade.
does it make sense to switch to the 9800x3d from a 5950x? paired with a rtx 4080 Super on 1440p gaming?
Yes that will be a huge upgrade.
Yay, a useful set of figures, thanks! Everyone else seems to be set on 1080p (or even 720p 500+fps) benchmarks which are no use to me whatsoever, I play at 4k and it's really helpful to know that the 7800 is just as quick as the 9800. I'm upgrading from a 10600K and was wondering whether to hold out for the 9900 or 9950, this suggests I'm unlikely to see a significant improvement at 4k gaming for the extra outlay so you've almost certainly saved me a couple hundred pound :)
You don't understand what the CPU gaming benchmarks are telling you. It's about telling you the ceiling fps rate you can expect with that CPU in particular games. So if you target solid 60Hz @4K then you can go to game benchmarks and see what CPUs manage that, in some games CPUs will struggle. If you want 120Hz @4K then your options are far more limited. That is a canary in a coal mine, especially when it's newer titles that need better CPUs than 10600K with a weak platform with just PCI3. You really going to run a high end GPU on PCIE3? The 3090 was already bottlenecked by that in 2020. Will future GPUs require a new CPU or is a 10600K going to see CPU bottlenecking more serious than that shown in this video. 90% GPU utilisation is only slight performance loss. The benchmarking was also compromised by using the AMD pre-install which is W11 23H2, when those reviewers who switched to 24H2 found a good performance increase in line with AMD's claims.
What happens to your 4K gaming if you choose to use upscaling, then your game is working often at 1440p not 4K, many games secretly reduced game resolution for performance reasons then upscaled themselves, the manufacturers have improved on what was feasible for individual game devs to produce.
Can I suggest adding Iracing and Assetto Corza Competizione pls. Thanks !
there was some talk about the cpu bottlenecking in certain games, I wandered if this were the case for a cpu like a 7900x3d? Do you think it would be smoothing out that bottleneck with more cores ?
Maybe.
I'm gearing up to build a pc in time for the new monster hunter, I've built in the past but I'm not very knowledgeable do you have nay recommendations of a place to go to talk to someone who is?
Yes here on youtube. What is your budget?
My brother you didn’t use thermal paste. Does the cpu not need it?
Going to be building a 5090 and 9800x3d pc. What motherboard should I be looking at. Prefer to not spend 700 dollars on a mobo
You can go as low as a b650 or a b650e or a x670 or x670e or x870 or x870e. Look at the hardware unboxed motherboard videos to see what you need for your pc and what is in your price range. My pc is an all white build and I went with the gigabyte aorus x870e motherboard and it is clean. This is more then what I need and I only paid 350 to 400 dollars. I gave my bro my nzxt b650e motherboard and corsair vengeance cl34 ram for his upgrade. I will also give him my 7800x3d when my 9800x3d arrives soon.
@pccentric I need your help. Im looking to build a pc specifically to play Warzone. ill be using a 4090 but i will also be live streaming so my question is what would be thw best CPU and mother board combo to use. Also i want to go with a white case what are the best qhite casea that offer thest astetics and cable managment in your opinion?
Do you still need help with white parts?
Finally I can upgrade from my i7 8700k
Yes this will be a huge upgrade.
When will it be up online in the UK?
Tomorrow
@@Rivstarit won’t. It has to get through customs, and half of the CPU have already been sold out. We won’t see in retailers (that’s no a pre-order system either) until at least the end of the month, November.
I’m a Warzone addict only reason I’m upgrading is for the game lol! Damnit
Buddy total cost for this supereme build???
If I had to guess 3,000 or more dollars. I can put the parts into pc part picker to see the actual cost. Do you need help?
I plan to switch from my 5950x. currently using the rtx 3080. I think its holding the GPU back a bit. struggles with 1% lows
This will be a big upgrade.
why would you use DLSS and expect there is no bottle necks????
8:54 that's why I bought an XL case this time. Under the desk gone and forgotten, while mainteneance is much easier.
22:05 Also, none of the CPU cores are maxing out either, as well as the GPU not maxing.
is it possible to have all 4 m.2 drive active?
Yes
My 7800X3D is safe that's all I needed to know.
04:47 cooling pad sticker is intact
Listening to him w my eyes closed reminds me a lot of NotapplicableF1 and I think I'm going crazy
I think it’s finally time to upgrade from my 3400G
Yes this will be a huge upgrade.
Wonder how this would compare to the fastest gaming PC from 10 years ago.
How much money is that to build
3,000 or more dollars if I had to guess.
so as i have a 78003d is it worth to upgrand to the 9800x3d
no its not worth upgrading. Your paying the same money as your 7800X3D for only 11% more performance.
The lows better u shud if u have maneyh
only if you like wasting money and want abit better 1% lows
@@Anon1370 You can even cap your fps to 2/3 of your max fps or at least 80-85% of your max fps. You will get better 1% and 0.1% lows.