One of the earliest pre-2000s videos I ever saw on TH-cam that got me into the rabbit hole of obscure media, and introduced me to Japanese jazz fusion!
@@ReelyInteresting Is there .WAV available of this soundtrack? I'm looking for it for about 15 years! It would be nice if we could make software decoding of these tapes with help of Domesday86 project.
Going through my Grandfather's old AV mags, there was some crazy formats out there. It was kinda frustrating not being able to see any of them before youtube though.
I was just stunned in December of 1989 when I played this same demonstration tape from my Sony EDV-9500 VCR onto a Mitsubishi 35-inch CRT monitor. I had never even imagined I could produce such great image quality with my own equipment. I also had the pro version of the ED Beta camcorder with a 16X lens. I used this combo heavily for 4 years before I wore down the video heads and it was cost-prohibitive to have them replaced, especially since digital video and high-definition were not far in the future. However, I was able to shoot many good videos and used it a lot for sports and wildlife. Those videotapes, up to 34 years of age, were beyond playable, even if I had the equipment to do it, so recently, I finally packed the bunch of them and many VHS cassettes off to a landfill. Fortunately, I had much earlier digitized quite a few of them and still maintain them on hard-drives. My ED Beta setup cost me way too much money for consumer use, but for commercial videos, it was a very good poor-man's BetaCam.
I miss you! ED-Beta demo software There was a down-converted version of this HDVS version and D1. It was at me, but I couldn't find it. It's been over 35 years since I played it on ED-Beta's EDV-9000, but it's a great image quality. Thank you for always uploading Japanese software. It is the glory of the past. I liked Japan in the 1980s and 90s. There was a dream around this time. .. .. Crying. .. .. .. PS) The young woman in the video is her friend's cameraman's sister.
I freaking love it everything, the vibe (I grew up in the 80s), the old 80s footage, the images!!!!!!!! *Just read the description, this is originally from the 80's...WOW!
Someone with an ED Beta made me a BIs copy of this back in the day that I could play on my SLHF-870D. I might even still have it somewhere as I still have the Betamax.
What I think is almost more impressive is how stable the video is. Compare VHS of the late 90's with its signature wobble to ED Beta (especially at 9:09). Crazy that even 10 years after this, DVD still came up short with only do 480p @ 60Hz.
The 500 lines is analogue horizontal resolution, not vertical. All NTSC video is 480 lines vertically (486 for analogue). DVD is equivalent of about 410 horizontal lines for luminance, but 205 lines for chroma compared to ED Beta's 30 lines. DVD doesn't allow progressive scan above 30 fps, at 50 and 60 it's interlaced like the analogue formats. But it does allow 24/25/30p progressive scan with no interlacing/pulldown for smooth playback (with suitable displays) which the home tape formats could never do, along with anamorphic widescreen, digital surround sound, etc.
Oooh, the analog lines argument! This one is always fun! There is this great article about the calculation of lines of resolution and how it compares to pixels online. Its usually the first result if you Google "LinesofResolution.pdf". tl;dr 4:3 aspect ratio DVD (and standard rec. 601 compliant digital capture) has approximately 540 "lines of luma resolution", sliiiightly more than ED Beta (otherwise, the monoscope in this video would not have shown all 500 lines). Combined with the higher color sampling rate (4:2:0 vs. 4:0.5:0.5-ish) and all the nearly transparent implementations of the audio/metadata benefits Aaron mentioned, those little discs are a force to be reckoned with... However, the now-antiquated MPEG2 compression doesn't upscale that well. Also, the early analog to digital conversion of the day gave variable results. Rec. 601 was (and is) a fantastic, forward-thinking pathway to move from the analog to digital domain, but there was a LOT of leeway given to the hardware implementation, the mastering engineer, and the display device. ED Beta was a fantastic transitionary format that took many years to truly surpass, and my belief is that it took an all digital workflow to do so.
@@adokapo Movies need to be remastered for UHD formats. Alot of movies are downgraded in quality because it's more practical to do so for UHD/4K movies that will only sell a few thousand discs.
heya, I really love your very high quality rips, I may have commented before on some of your other vids, you've really gotten me hard into jazz fusion and I find myself coming back to this and your other rips! ^_^ I wanted to chime in a lil on the rendition of Kiss by T-Square heard here, this is purely my educated speculation but I'm thinking what we're hearing here is an early work in progress of the track because the album the final one appears on is Yes, No (1988), with this video being from the year prior, it'd be reasonable to guess this may have been the state of the track as they were working on it at the time maybe with some touches to make it sound more professional. Many musicians then and also now like myself would tend to lay down the initial sketch or ideas of a track as a sequence with perhaps a few simple recorded elements and mixing before recording the final live parts and such, so that's my theory! Some credits of the tape if there are any might be able to say if it was the band's own work still hehe thanks for the magnificent videos! ^_^
ED Beta was at least in part throttled back by Sony who didn't want it to compete with their own BetacamSP format (with which it shared the same blank tapes). But if only they had sorted out the Chroma resolution and also released it in PAL with a TBC. The market they would actually have knocked out would have been Panasonic MII.
i find it weird when i set the video quality to 720p or higher, the east lines on the monochrome test pattern seems to flicker. but when i set it to 480p there's no flickering at all.
Well, my memory tells me that s-vhs never really took off. No one I knew had such a device. It was absent in video rental stores and till today I never came across a pre recorded s-vhs tape. Maybe it was a little more popular in the camcorder market, but definitely not everywhere. It was supposed to replace vhs at one point but failed.
I have an EDV-9500. Yeah, the luminance is out to 9.5mhz (B&W portion), but the Chrominance is still the sucky 450khz of bandwidth (300khz in the original VHS format). As you can see, colors are smeared, unfortunately. Sony could have used "direct color", or more technically, Baseband Color, or more realistically "Color Over", but that would have easily eaten into their Betacam product line. So sad ...
If you watch in 1080p or higher, the full chroma resolution is there since upscaling/preprocessing was performed using the original 4:2:2 master capture.
trees show the lack of luma resolution on your modern screen. no matter what ED beta was, this is SD. and i'm pretty sure than if a Beta SP copy of this video exist and was digitized like this one with the same saturation level, the first thing you'll notice is the lower luma resolution of Beta SP, and not the fact than color is in component form.
si pero grabará solo Super Beta, para Ed Beta necesitas cintas como las betacam SP que también de pueden usar en este modelo cubriendo los orificios correctos del cassette
ED Beta did not use the Beta-1 recording speed. Beta-2 was its fastest and best, but it also turned out recordings in the Beta-3 speed that were quite good. You could fit 4 hours and 35 minutes of video onto a 30-minute BetaCam SP tape. I think that most Ed-Beta camcorder users soon discovered that these BetaCam SP metal tapes were better than those that Sony sold with an ED Beta label and you got more recording time for your money. The tape speed that BetaCam SP recorders used was 6 times faster than Beta 2.
One of the earliest pre-2000s videos I ever saw on TH-cam that got me into the rabbit hole of obscure media, and introduced me to Japanese jazz fusion!
Yes! Same here! Videoholic1980sA's original upload made this tape a holy grail for me too!
@@ReelyInteresting Is there .WAV available of this soundtrack? I'm looking for it for about 15 years!
It would be nice if we could make software decoding of these tapes with help of Domesday86 project.
Going through my Grandfather's old AV mags, there was some crazy formats out there. It was kinda frustrating not being able to see any of them before youtube though.
This is called Japanese fusion? That’s some good music. According to Sound Hound, it’s T-Square. Can’t find these particular titles on Amazon.
21st century
I was just stunned in December of 1989 when I played this same demonstration tape from my Sony EDV-9500 VCR onto a Mitsubishi 35-inch CRT monitor. I had never even imagined I could produce such great image quality with my own equipment. I also had the pro version of the ED Beta camcorder with a 16X lens. I used this combo heavily for 4 years before I wore down the video heads and it was cost-prohibitive to have them replaced, especially since digital video and high-definition were not far in the future. However, I was able to shoot many good videos and used it a lot for sports and wildlife. Those videotapes, up to 34 years of age, were beyond playable, even if I had the equipment to do it, so recently, I finally packed the bunch of them and many VHS cassettes off to a landfill. Fortunately, I had much earlier digitized quite a few of them and still maintain them on hard-drives. My ED Beta setup cost me way too much money for consumer use, but for commercial videos, it was a very good poor-man's BetaCam.
I miss you!
ED-Beta demo software
There was a down-converted version of this HDVS version and D1.
It was at me, but I couldn't find it.
It's been over 35 years since I played it on ED-Beta's EDV-9000, but it's a great image quality.
Thank you for always uploading Japanese software. It is the glory of the past.
I liked Japan in the 1980s and 90s.
There was a dream around this time. .. .. Crying. .. .. ..
PS) The young woman in the video is her friend's cameraman's sister.
I love it when the videos come with some sweet J fusion.
Asia Country
I freaking love it everything, the vibe (I grew up in the 80s), the old 80s footage, the images!!!!!!!!
*Just read the description, this is originally from the 80's...WOW!
I read about this format in 2004, but I was never able to observe it until now! Thanks
Looks great! I have a few ED Betas in my collection.
Someone with an ED Beta made me a BIs copy of this back in the day that I could play on my SLHF-870D. I might even still have it somewhere as I still have the Betamax.
What I think is almost more impressive is how stable the video is. Compare VHS of the late 90's with its signature wobble to ED Beta (especially at 9:09). Crazy that even 10 years after this, DVD still came up short with only do 480p @ 60Hz.
The 500 lines is analogue horizontal resolution, not vertical. All NTSC video is 480 lines vertically (486 for analogue). DVD is equivalent of about 410 horizontal lines for luminance, but 205 lines for chroma compared to ED Beta's 30 lines.
DVD doesn't allow progressive scan above 30 fps, at 50 and 60 it's interlaced like the analogue formats. But it does allow 24/25/30p progressive scan with no interlacing/pulldown for smooth playback (with suitable displays) which the home tape formats could never do, along with anamorphic widescreen, digital surround sound, etc.
Oooh, the analog lines argument! This one is always fun! There is this great article about the calculation of lines of resolution and how it compares to pixels online. Its usually the first result if you Google "LinesofResolution.pdf".
tl;dr 4:3 aspect ratio DVD (and standard rec. 601 compliant digital capture) has approximately 540 "lines of luma resolution", sliiiightly more than ED Beta (otherwise, the monoscope in this video would not have shown all 500 lines). Combined with the higher color sampling rate (4:2:0 vs. 4:0.5:0.5-ish) and all the nearly transparent implementations of the audio/metadata benefits Aaron mentioned, those little discs are a force to be reckoned with...
However, the now-antiquated MPEG2 compression doesn't upscale that well. Also, the early analog to digital conversion of the day gave variable results. Rec. 601 was (and is) a fantastic, forward-thinking pathway to move from the analog to digital domain, but there was a LOT of leeway given to the hardware implementation, the mastering engineer, and the display device. ED Beta was a fantastic transitionary format that took many years to truly surpass, and my belief is that it took an all digital workflow to do so.
DVD looks totally unimpressive on papper still i can hardly any spot difference between HD and DVD on my 55 4k oled tv.
@@adokapo
Movies need to be remastered for UHD formats. Alot of movies are downgraded in quality because it's more practical to do so for UHD/4K movies that will only sell a few thousand discs.
This is fantastic!
love this version of T-Square's Kiss! sucks that it was never released outside of this ://
Incredible detail
Sharpness like this would only be seen on the HDV system in the second half of the 2000s. I know this from the texture of the leaves on the trees.
heya, I really love your very high quality rips, I may have commented before on some of your other vids, you've really gotten me hard into jazz fusion and I find myself coming back to this and your other rips! ^_^
I wanted to chime in a lil on the rendition of Kiss by T-Square heard here, this is purely my educated speculation but I'm thinking what we're hearing here is an early work in progress of the track because the album the final one appears on is Yes, No (1988), with this video being from the year prior, it'd be reasonable to guess this may have been the state of the track as they were working on it at the time maybe with some touches to make it sound more professional. Many musicians then and also now like myself would tend to lay down the initial sketch or ideas of a track as a sequence with perhaps a few simple recorded elements and mixing before recording the final live parts and such, so that's my theory! Some credits of the tape if there are any might be able to say if it was the band's own work still hehe
thanks for the magnificent videos! ^_^
I'm currently blazing my way through your channel and I LOVE everything on here. Any idea what the song is that starts around 7:30?
30 years later, we'd all be carrying better cameras in our pockets. What will we have 30 years from now?
ED Beta was at least in part throttled back by Sony who didn't want it to compete with their own BetacamSP format (with which it shared the same blank tapes). But if only they had sorted out the Chroma resolution and also released it in PAL with a TBC. The market they would actually have knocked out would have been Panasonic MII.
i find it weird when i set the video quality to 720p or higher, the east lines on the monochrome test pattern seems to flicker. but when i set it to 480p there's no flickering at all.
Good observation! That's an artifact from deinterlacing the video which is why it only appears at 60p settings!
S-VHS was everywhere after awhile, saying it didn't gain significant marketshare seems a little different than what my memory tells me
It was only ever the higher end decks that supported it, and commercial S-VHS tapes were never a thing really
@@AaronSmart.online I had tons of them, they were right at any local store. Midrange decks to high end had it, never cheap ones.
S-VHS eventually started appearing on midrange, more affordable decks, but it was never on the volume-sales cheap decks.
@@dunebasher1971 Right, I never meant that, but it seemed like it was everywhere after awhile back in the day.
Well, my memory tells me that s-vhs never really took off. No one I knew had such a device. It was absent in video rental stores and till today I never came across a pre recorded s-vhs tape.
Maybe it was a little more popular in the camcorder market, but definitely not everywhere. It was supposed to replace vhs at one point but failed.
Omg so NICE
I have an EDV-9500. Yeah, the luminance is out to 9.5mhz (B&W portion), but the Chrominance is still the sucky 450khz of bandwidth (300khz in the original VHS format). As you can see, colors are smeared, unfortunately. Sony could have used "direct color", or more technically, Baseband Color, or more realistically "Color Over", but that would have easily eaten into their Betacam product line. So sad ...
Man, what's the background music? Can't put my finger on it, sounds real familiar
it's a different version of T-Square - Kiss on 2:00
as for 0:53, i'm not sure :(
ED Beta machines are probably rare nowadays. I wonder if there are ED Betamax machines in the United States...
ED-Beta was NTSC-only, so it's inevitable that it was sold in the US market.
I still have one
Why is there always a small black matte bar on the left side that doesn't reach to the top nor to the bottom?
Looks like a prosumer variant of Betacam SP (500 lines vs. 340 lines)
Does anyone know what camera is being used for this video? Stunning image!
The trees show the limited chroma resolution, although TH-cam's 4:2:0 subsampling also loses information.
If you watch in 1080p or higher, the full chroma resolution is there since upscaling/preprocessing was performed using the original 4:2:2 master capture.
@@ReelyInterestingThe players play it as Chroma 4:2:2, right? If so, why does TH-cam require 1080P and above?
@@EFIShell TH-cam and most streaming services are 4:2:0, like DVD and Blu-Ray.
@@ReelyInteresting Is there any reason why this is so?
trees show the lack of luma resolution on your modern screen.
no matter what ED beta was, this is SD.
and i'm pretty sure than if a Beta SP copy of this video exist and was digitized like this one with the same saturation level, the first thing you'll notice is the lower luma resolution of Beta SP, and not the fact than color is in component form.
that's sharp
Qué tipo de cintas usa un vídeo ED Beta?. Son cintas de. Metal?. Pueden usar cintas de Beta normales?.
si pero grabará solo Super Beta, para Ed Beta necesitas cintas como las betacam SP que también de pueden usar en este modelo cubriendo los orificios correctos del cassette
Wooooooooo
Is this a recording in the 2nd speed?
ED Beta did not use the Beta-1 recording speed. Beta-2 was its fastest and best, but it also turned out recordings in the Beta-3 speed that were quite good. You could fit 4 hours and 35 minutes of video onto a 30-minute BetaCam SP tape. I think that most Ed-Beta camcorder users soon discovered that these BetaCam SP metal tapes were better than those that Sony sold with an ED Beta label and you got more recording time for your money. The tape speed that BetaCam SP recorders used was 6 times faster than Beta 2.
OwO
Betamax IS better