General History: HMS Orion - The Super Dreadnought
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2024
- The Orion-class were the first dreadnought battleship to be armed with a gun larger than 12-inches. This would, in addition to the necessary changes to mount that gun, prompt them to be called 'Super Dreadnoughts'. The 13.5-inch armed Orion would, as such, create a new naval race and a new kind of battleship.
Or an extension upon the existing dreadnoughts, depending on how you view it.
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As a youth, we had a family friend who, as a 16 year old boy, fought in Y turret of HMS Monarch at Jutland. Strange to think that was 107 years ago.
In third grade we had a teacher who told us that as a boy on the west coast of Jutland he heard the Jutland Battle.
Thanks for this presentation on the Orion class this squadron rarely gets mentioned.
The ' Orions' fired a total of 198 , 13.5 inch rounds and suffered no casualties at Jutland.
Great work!
the silliest thing about this particular class,
is the placement of the foremast *behind* the first funnel.
something that would lead to anyone in the fighting top
becoming smoked sailor.
The silliest thing about it is that they knew it was an issue back with the Dreadnought, and fixed it with the Bellerophon and St Vincent classes... only to forget about the issue and revert for the Colossus, Orion, and Lion classes, because... a boat handling derrick is apparently more important in a battleship than being able to spot the fall of your fire. Though they got the memo that it really WAS bad early enough in the construction of the King George V class ships to remedy the design oversight, and learned the lesson well enough to not play table tennis with the tripod mast placement any more in future classes of capital ships.
I guess a lesson is better learned late than never?
@@CelebmacilThe poor placement of the the stack vs. tower really came to a head in the HMS Lion battlecruiser as the number of boilers using the stack was double what was in the battleships. At full speed the tower was untenable and Lion had the tower moved forward. All future ships followed suit.
Yes. Another of my Old Friends from the Avalon Hill Jutland Game.
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I really appreciate this channel, while drachnifel is great at going into detail on specifics, it's a lot harder to find more general overviews on stuff on his channel
The interesting fact is that the RN moved from their much favoured and often used 13.5 inch gun down to a 12 inch gun for the later pre-Dreadnaughts. It can be argued that with the Orion class the RN was moving back to a calibre that it was comfortable with and of course the long lived,mighty and ridiculously accurate 15/42 was based on a bored out 13.5 inch gun
Well summarised for this class of inauspicious dreadnoughts
As it turns out bigger wasn`t better some 12 inch guns outperformed them. and were capable to fire much faster.the same happened years later with the Nelson-Class guns.
The leader of the turret farm trend.
Fantastic video, as usual my friend! Keep up the great content.
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HMS Empress of India had also mounted a 13.5 inch main armament.
Empree of India was a 13.5 inch battleship of the Iron Duke class😢
@@joemaloney1019 That ship was the Emperor of India , not Empress,
However. considerably less effective, These are the guns replaced by the 12" on the preDreadnoughts, replace at 1.5" increments by the 13.5" and 15" guns.
Part of the reason these ships saw so little action, is because the Germans didn’t want to come out and fight them. So, maybe they were effective after all.
By 1918 the Royal Navy numbered 1200 ships !
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I always thought these battleship were prettier than their successors as the hull was smooth sided with no cut in bulkheads for gun casements. I wonder if these got a interwar modernization such as the Italians did with their ships. Removal of the midships turret rebuilding the powerplant fir greater speed and insurance burning oil. Extention of the forcastle deck aft to the rear deck house giving room for a row of dp. Guns. Speaking of guns, the 13.5s would be traded in for 14 inch. With new superstructures the result would look very similar to HMS Queen Elizabeth after her WW2 modifications.
I really don't understand why they held on to wing turrets this long. Now I'm no engineer. But looking at HMS Dreadnaught's wing turrets, it has issues. Unless they were trying to start a new trend of having battleships fire only forward. But even that is problematic.
If I recall correctly from DK Brown’s books, it had to do with sighting hoods for the turrets. Even after the British adopted super firing gun turrets, they were limited in the ability of the upper turrets firing forward over the lower turrets. So, in order to have three or even two turrets directly forward, you needed wing turrets. Until the idea of the line of battle became firmly reestablished, wing turrets still made since for end on fire. I believe Brown states that it was not until Hood that British sights were not modified to eliminate issues with blast and end on fire when firing the super firing turrets.
The steam plant required the space amidships.
It was for a chase engagement, but partly also due to engineering constraints and coalition regarding blast effect on the lower turret in a superfiring position.
At least for Dreadnought and the St. Vincents, firing forward was, in fact, the reason for the wing turrets. They wanted to have as many barrels as possible in order to chase an enemy. Since superfiring turrets weren't yet en vogue, wing turrets were the solution. Another reason was that with the coal bunkers for the wing turrets would, in theory, be located further outboard and serve as additional armor. I've never though that this argument really made a great deal of sense, especially if the engagement occurred after the coal had been depleted, but there it is. It is mentioned specifically in Admiralty papers so they clearly though the idea possessed merit.
Un gran acorazado monocalibre de la segunda generación
Well...the "Supers in Being"? 😂
German ships reached 21 lnts on trial with best quality coal ( often imported from Wales) but,on operations, often lost a couple of knots because of the truly awful German rubbish.
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