Love your videos! You helped me decide between the Ariens Deluxe 28 and the Toro Power Max HD 928. Both units are built very solid. For me.......I am going with the Toro for the chute control, no shear pins, no additional support needed up front for the auger assembly, and the anti-clogging system. I've watched many of you videos with all the variuos brands. The video with you clearing your drive with the Toro 928 through 22 inchec of settled snow was very impressive! Thank you for producing such informative and detailed video reviews.
Correction! I ended up buying an Ariens Deluxe 30 instead! When I went to my dealer to look at the Toro and comparing it to the Ariens Deuxe 30. The deluxe 30 was $ 100 dollars more and you get hand warmers, 306 cc engine vs 265 cc on the Toro, plus a 2 inch bigger machine. The Toro has a lot of nice features and I would of been more than happy with it too! At the end of the day......I chose the Ariens. Being from Wisconsin ....I like the idea of supporting a home state company! I also like the fact that although manufactured in China. LCT engine headquarters is in the USA and they have their own manufacturing plant in China. I will tell you........The Ariens throws the snow! Very impressed! Wow! Have a snow storm coming tonight and whatever comes down.......I will be sending back up in the air tomorrow with my Ariens!
Great video. I just purchased a Toro 1030 and a common issue seems to be folks saying it's too fast on the lowest setting. I've only played with mine enough to confirm it all works but did notice it seems a bit quick in 1st gear. Your video does an excellent job of explaining how the speed is changed with the wheel moving on the disc and now I understand how it works and what's happening when you adjust the connecting rod length at the speed control lever. I think with a little tweaking I can slow it down a little without worrying about damaging anything. Thanks!
Great video. Really de-mystifies the inner workings. Shows that simple mechanical systems that have been used successfully for decades are still contenders for the new electric snowblowers.
Thank for this video, it is one of the best I've seen for simple/easy to understand explanations of the inner workings of this machine. You have so many great videos on snowblowers and i feel i've seen them all and have decided to purchase the toro 1030 Power Max HD thanks to your insight and knowledge.
That was an excellent video! Your review and explanation of the auto steering system convinced me to get a Toro Power Max this year. Thank you very much.
Paul, that's one of the best informative videos I have seen in a long time. I have always wondered how that discs system works. Because mine has never broke, I have not had to learn it. As a retired (23 years) automotive instructor and 19 year auto mechanic, I have learned and seen a lot of failures in mechanical equipment. You are great at explaining the system and possible failure areas. I amazed at your positive attitude as to how and why some systems fail and what to watch out for. Your years of experience speaks volumes. I wish more technicians spoke like you do about how and why some things break or are not designed correct at first. Engineers now days have a very short time to bring to manufacture and sometimes need to fine-tune on the run. Being understanding of the whole picture is a great start to getting situations resolved.
Thanks Johny, I don't mention it often - like you I have over 20 years experience training nuclear power plant electricians and their supervisors. That experience helps me see the detail and hopefully explain it well when discussing these machines.
I recently purchased the 1028 OHXE and watching your video gave me much more insight regarding the internal functions of the HD lineup and maintenance areas to monitor. I really enjoyed your video, very informative, thank you.
Fantastic video. Detailed engineering-oriented review that answered so many of my questions, especially those related to the automatic steering. Thanks for doing this video!
Paul, I'm on my second year with this 928 and have done everything to make sure this should drive straight. However no matter what I do it pulls to the right and I have a 250ft. driveway to clear. It's a real workout on the upper body constantly steering left to keep it straight. I am not the only one who has this problem as many others have also reported the same thing in reviews or questions on auto steer pulling you around. After talking to my dealer, double triple checking everything and setting up everything correctly, I noticed the axel and bearings on each side of the chassis slides from side to side as the bearings just float inside the chassis hole and are not bolted on like a competitors model. I told my dealer about my concern of the axel bearings not being very tight to the frame and asked why bearings were not bolted on when I noticed it after delivery and first time out while battling to keep it straight. He told me not to worry about the design and it wouldn't wear out like my 2001 MTD 1024 I inherited from my Grandfather (still runs strong but holes have elongated now and were round like my Toro when new). I really just noticed just how much this moves yesterday after clearing just 3" of snow from the driveway as it does go straighter in deeper snow but not much. I have 1/4 inch play in the axel (moving inside the bushing) plus 1/4 inch additional play in the bushing sliding in the frame hole if I hold the handles and move it left to right. So when driving straight the wheels are probably 1/2 inch farther to the left than they should be causing it to push right. I have a Toro Powershift 828 that never gave me a problem in 30 years of heavy New England snow fall until the last late 2018 storm 4" Heavy slush clean up finally caused the gears in the auger to go. Then bought the 928 thinking it would be just as good and better with more power. Everything else about this machine is great really but I wish I went with the 1028 when they still made them with the trigger steer and probably better or beefier axel set up. I know your not a fan of trigger steer and like auto turn but it also depends on what your needs are and how good you are at operating machinery. Bottom line, have you notice this in yours and if not can you please check your Toro HDs and see if they all move side to side as mine does or do you think it may be out of tolerance or maybe missing a clip inside to secure the Bearings? I am also experiencing the Click, Click, Click noise when backing up again, this happened first year but went away with a Clunk!. Now its back again and sounds worse, in looking at your exposed diagram of the auto turn I'm wondering if the gears inside are slipping and grabbing the next sprocket making the noise? Your opinion on this matter would be greatly appreciated as you are very highly respected to me and have probably watched every snow blower video you produced, probably 10 times on the 928HD videos. Thanks Paul!
1. I'm guessing you've watched this video so you know how it's supposed to look. 2. Take a picture of the nameplate on you snowblower or write the serial number down 3. Go to this link: www.toro.com/en/homeowner/snow-blowers/power-max-hd-928-oae-38840 4. Scroll down the page to the parts & manuals tab. Click on the number sequence that includes your serial number. 5. The click on parts. The click on the autoturn drive assembly. You can see two retaining clips, part 24 on the diagram. 6. Put your snowblower in the service position and remove the transmission covers. Check for loose parts on the covers when you remove them. 7. Check to see if those clips are in place.
@@PaulSikkema Thanks or confirming what I thought I should do as I noticed the retaining clips on the inside of bearings on one of your videos. If the clips are in place should it not have any play side to side? In other words did you notice the 928 you have to have any play in the axel or are they solid? Thanks again for your quick reply, we may be getting another small storm in a few days. Not many this year so far......
@@PaulSikkema Thank you again Paul, mine had more play than that when new so somethings up, going to check inside tomorrow. will let you know how I make out.
@@PaulSikkema I removed the transmission covers and the clips are in place. Everything looks to be assembled correctly and no parts missing. The side to side motion seems to be due to the frame not being as wide as the axel bearings inner flange and there is about 1/2" play till the flange hits the inside of the frame. Will have to talk to my dealer about it but would appreciate any input you have. Also the chain is kind of loose and there doesn't appear to be any adjustment for this?
Paul . .. I can't thank you enough for the time and work you put into your videos. We had researched the purchase of a new snow blower recently and your videos and detailed info on the workings of these machines is right up my alley. Based on it, we did purchase a Toro Power Max HD 928. But you also do the same with other brands and it is interesting to see both the differences and similarities of how each brand is made and performs.
Yes I do. Click on my name in the description below and it will take you to the main page. I have videos for Ariens, Troy-Bilt, Husqvarna, Cub Cadet, cordless electric snowthrowers and a few Chinese made brands.
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I bought this machine 3 weeks ago and finally used it today. I'm not fond of the auto steer. It doesn't want to stay straight on a paved driveway or sidewalk. It wants to steer left on its own. My last machine had triggers. It may be because of the 6 inches of very wet snow, almost like slush. The end of the driveway was all slush. I will say this machine does not clog. If it will throw this stuff 25ft, that is amazing. My neighbor was impressed.The augur handel will need adjusting because it will not stay down every time when trying to work one handed. This machine should be easy to use in real snow.
Hi Easy Ray, Did you assemble it yourself? Did a dealer or was it an associate at a retail store? Two things you want to check. 1. Make sure the tire pressure is the same in both tires. 2. Check the skid shoe adjustment so that both side are equal. I have two 1/4 inch thick boards about 12 inches long. I put one on each side under the scraper bar and then loosen the skid shoes. Let them drop to the ground and re-tighten them. The auto-steering drives a lot like a shopping cart. In the grocery store the cart is very easy turn. You can easily drive it with one hand. When you go out in the parking lot rocks, ruts and cracks in the pavement can cause the cart to want to wander and you need both hands to control it. So like the shopping cart you just can't let go and expect the auto-steering to go in a straight line - you'll have to hold it if the driveway has bumps, ruts and pieces sticking up. Personally, I like it because I don't have to remember to pull a trigger to make it turn. It just goes where I point it.
Hi Paul; I bought from a dealer so i'm a little disappointed. When I get a chance I'll adjust the skid shoes,Speed adjust, and one hand operation adjustment.Tires are ok. I'll try 1/4 inch on the skid shoes. Thanks for the great videos.
I am about ready to purchase a new snowblower but am undecided between the Toro 1030 OHAE or the Ariens 28 Deluxe SHO. which one do you think is the better machine?
Tough call. Both are excellent machines. Here are a few things to consider. 1. What size door will it go through. A 28 inch will go through a standard 32 inch garage side door. A 32 inch needs a 36 inch door. 2. Toro has the quick-stick chute control. To turn the chute on the Ariens you reach over the dash with your right hand. The deflector is separate. Some Toro owners complain the Quick-chute it too fast and the blue locking button is hard to use with gloved hands. Some short Ariens owners complain about having to reach over the dash to turn the chute. 3. Both use automatic steering - no levers to pull. (Ariens calls it auto-turn and had it first) 4. Both are very easy to use. Both have all the weight over the tires for the best traction. The Ariens is balanced just a little better and there is not as much force needed to lift the front when turning. 5. The Ariens has a little more power/size because it's a 28 inch/306cc verses the Toro 30 inch/302cc. 6. Both handle all types of snow very well and both off-load excess snow so the engine doesn't lug down in heavy/wet snow. Toro calls it Anti-Clog System, Ariens doesn't have a name for there's. (Look at some of my older videos where I go into how each brand does this.) 7. Which dealer do you like better. I always suggest buying from a local dealer with a service department than from a big box store or online. 8. You can change the Ariens belts yourself. Toro recommends you take it to a dealer to change the belts and doesn't have a procedure in the manual to show you how to do it.
@@PaulSikkema thank you for the reply. I agree buying from a local dealer over a big box store as the local dealer would probably be the one doing any warranty work if required. you made a good point about changing the belts on the toro and i will ask about that when i go there. my biggest concern is getting a machine that can blow snow a minimum of 40 ft. and up to 50 ft. as i have a large area in front of my garage that usualy drifts in up to 2 feet in front of the big doors. the only local dealer here sells both Toro and Ariens .
Hello our 926 OXE is a 2014 or 15 model, and its been real solid like you mentioned, the wheel clutch sprocket assemblies haven't given any problems at all. What we do have is some kind of very loud vibration squeal noise that comes from either pushing the unit without using the drive. Or even if its being driven it has this vibration squeal. Something there is getting dry and needs lube I just have to try and reproduce it with it in the service on its nose position. Great info and thanks
The first thing I would check is the clutch lever tension. When the unit is not running and the clutch lever is up the cable going down to the transmission case should be loose. The proper tightness is when you push down on the clutch handle the cable will tighten and the spring should expand about 3/8 to 1/2 inch. The next area I would check is the rubber tire and the friction plate it rides on. The rubber tire should be smooth. The friction plate should be clean. If the friction plate needs cleaning use rubbing alcohol to clean it and the rubber tire. DO NOT USE ANY FORM OF LUBRICATION ON THE FRICTION PLATE OR RUBBER TIRE. If the friction wheel is rough or has pieces missing it needs to be replaced. Since it's a squeal it's most likely not the chain or gears but You can rub grease on the chain and gears with your finger but don't use a lot and DON'T GET IT ON THE FRICTION PLATE!
I would gladly do this but Honda snowblowers are just not sold here in the Midwest. The closet dealer that may have one is 150 miles away. I'll contact Honda again this year but so far (the last 10 years) they have not been willing to let me use one.
Great video Paul. I have the 1028 OHXE snowblower. The auger on mine doesn't want to spin when the handle is pressed down. The impeller does engage. I have narrowed the problem down to the auger gear case. Can I take the gear case apart and see if there is a worn out gear that I may be able to replace vs the over $500 cost of a new auger gear case? I pulled the 6 bolts out and do not know how to pry the gear case cover off and do not want to damage it so figured I would ask someone who appears to know quite a bit about these Toro snowblowers. Thanks.
Yes, you can take the gearcase apart but Toro does not show the parts inside the case. So if the gears are worn out I don't know if you can get them individually. It's worth taking the cover off and inspecting the internals - it may be something as simple as a loose drift pin. The gearcase top has a gasket. I use a flexible metal paint scraper to lift the cover. I drive the scraper into the gasket with a hammer until it looses up. If you can't get the new gasket use Permatex form-a-gasket to replace the old one. (Auto parts stores carry the Permatex)
Just to be clear. If you are adjusting the gap under the scraper bar you do that by adjusting the skid shoes on the sides of the housing. Just search TH-cam and there will be plenty of videos for that. If you actually want to adjust the scraper bar because it's worn. Tip the snowblower back up on it's handles. The bolts will be accessible then. Loosen all of them and pull the scraper bar down. Retighten all the bolts.
I was trying to reply to the video about what to do if the snow blower pulls to one side or the other or both. In that video you say release the skid adjustments and see if the scrapper bar is even and touching the ground. If not than loosen the bolts on the bar and pull it down until it touches the ground evenly. This is the part I couldn’t figure out? Thanks, Joel
There is no difference I'm aware of. There is no serial number differentiation on the parts page. Usually when they make a change they will list the serial numbers into sections. www.toro.com/en/parts/partdetails?id=50196&srsltid=AfmBOorrItMyX4CyuTzg7t8tf311qWHbUG6tqywpgKRaf_SQBwKp3zwx
Toro does not make a kit to put handwarmers on their snowblowers that didn't come from the factory. You need at least a 5 amp alternator to run handwarmers and since the 928 only has an LED light it may have just a 2 amp.
can you show me how to adjust my new 9/28 HD oxe so the machine will not move when the machine is idlingI It creeps in reverse. 2019 model. all I know is the left cable needs to be adjusted. Your video is detailed and very easy to understand.
Under the dash is a large black rod that goes from the shifter lever down to the transmission case. The connection of that bar to the shifter lever is threaded. Just remove the clip and turn the connector 2-3 turns one or the other. ( I think you turn it so the rod is shorter) Play with that until it no longer moves. If that doesn't work loosen/adjust the clutch cable just a little. It may be too tight and the friction disk is still pushing against the friction wheel.
I have the same unit and the auger stopped engaging after I hit an obstacle. I opened and noted the belt is too loose. I did not find any adjustment on it? Do I need to remove the spring clutch assembly to be able to remove the belt and install a new one. Thanks
Toro does not give instructions for changing the belts. The recommend taking it to your local dealer and have the mechanic change them. (They have split pulleys which are difficult to take apart and get back together. )
Thanks. I was able to remove the belt quite easily after removing the cover and the alignment bar held by two bolts, no need to do anything with the pulleys. I have ordered a new belt and hopefully should be able to put it back on the drive and auger pulleys. I did not see any belt adjustment option.
The idler pulley has a spring on to so the belt is under constant tension so the drive plate in the transmission is running all the time the engine is running.
Can you show us how to adjust a trigger steer and also the friction wheel? Sometimes my friction wheel when blowing wont want to engage until I rock the blower back and forth. Also the trigger on one side doesn't work so well any more. I already learned how to "split" the Toro in half and replaced the belts and fixed my auger case. Any help?
I'm guessing you have an older 928 with trigger steering? Here is the Toro Service manual that shows how to adjust the friction drive cable and trigger steering cables. The procedures start on Page 4-11. www.snowblowersdirect.com/manuals/toro-a3abea3ea6cade63e7900ef48d317cc2.pdf
@@PaulSikkema 1128OXE Powermax. Bought it in Fall 2009. Still like brand new due to my maintenance. LOVE IT. OK I will try to look in there. Thank you very much
If the snowblower has a light on it now - not bad. If it has no light now the alternator is not strong enough to handle a light. You'll need a bridge rectifier and a 35 watt or less LED. Your snowblower has a non-regulated a-c generator (alternator.) LED lights are DC current. So without the rectifier the light will flash. (You car has this built into the alternator) Just search TH-cam and there are a bunch showing you how to do it. Usually buy a bridge rect like this one because there is no soldering involved: amzn.to/3sgzUdO. Here is a sample of lights that work: amzn.to/3pCehmt
I'm buying an 826 oae and am a little concerned about no grease fitting on the auger shafts. I had a Simplicity that had them but seems everyone is cheating out now. I think Ariens is the only brand putting them on. I really like your videos.
The grease fittings are used to put grease on the shaft inside the auger. When a shear pin breaks you want the outside auger to spin freely. Cub Cadet/MTD has gone to plastic bushings on the auger shaft so they don't need the grease fittings. Toro doesn't need the grease fittings because they don't use shear pins like your Simplicity. If you lodge something in the auger the belt slips instead. The bolts on the front auger on the Toro 826 are NOT shear pins and actually grade 5 bolts.
Very informational video. Question for you: the big and smaller gears, I see some yellowish grease. But in your narrative, you say there's no need to apply any grease to them. So do I need to put grease to it once in a while?
Hi I've watched all the videos on snowblowers you have love them I have one question you might have an answer to the new PowerMax HD auger gearbox there's no shear pins what happens if you suck in a frozen newspaper or rock or something that causes the auger or impeller to stop does the engine kill or is there a clutch that disengages until you clear the problem or does it have both the clutch for clogs and the engine kill feature for a jam.
The drivetrain is tough enough to handle that kind of abuse. The belts will slip if you get something caught in it. The belts are tough enough to not burn up.
Hi Paul I am interested in the Toro Power Max and am wondering what the difference is between the 928 OAE in the video and the Power Max 826 OXE 26 in. 252cc Two-Stage Electric Start Gas Snow Blower. I live in Newburyport MA and we can get very little snow or a TON! I would like to clear our small driveway, huge icy dump pile from city plowing at end of driveway and use to clear pathways for dog in yard and pathways to shed and fence. My son thought the joystick would break more easily, but it looks like it is well made.
Hi Sarah, The 928 has considerably more capacity than the 826. The 928 will handle ANY snow you get in Newburyport including the Noreasters with their heavy/wet snowman snow. The 826 will handle most of the snows but it won't be as fast and it may have problems pushing through the big snow plow drifts. Of course with those big snows you can always take half-width passes and it will get the job done - just not as fast as the 928. I normally recommend the 928 or larger machine for your area but with your small driveway the 826 may be the best choice.
Thank you for this detailed view of the transmission area, Paul! I have owned a similar Power Max HD 826 OXE model for the past five years and have thoroughly enjoyed its capabilities. This past year, I am hearing a loud grinding or sheet metal rattling type noise coming from my Toro when the transmission is engaged from 1-6 while moving my snowblower from one location to another. The auger is not engaged when this noise is present, the sheet metal screws all appear to be tight, and the noise is also not present when moving the snowblower while the engine is running and the transmission is disengaged. Would you happen to have any idea what may be causing this noise?
If you don't feel confident in doing this please take it to your local dealer. I don't know off hand but: Prep it and tip it up on it's nose like I show in this video. Remove the bottom cover and as you are removing it look for loose nuts, bolts and other parts that fall out. If you find something figure out where it goes and if it's just loose or broken. Check the chain and see if it is hitting the shaft below it. You'll see polish marks from the chain. That could be the cause of the rattle. There is nothing wrong and ther is no way to tighten the chain. Wiggle the gears side to side, wiggle the shafts up and down. In other words, just look around for anything that is loose or broken. If you find something or you don't quite know what you are looking at write down (or take picture with your phone) the model and serial number. Go here and at the bottom of the page go to the parts section. Click on the serial number range for your snowblower and parts diagrams will pop up. Use them to see how it all fits together. www.toro.com/en-ca/homeowner/snow-blowers/power-max-826-oxe-37799
I just purchased the Toro Powermax 838 and the speed selector isn't connected to the rubber tire. I can't for the life of me figure out how it's supposed to connect. I have no speed selection and no reverse. Any ideas? Thank you.
Check out this assembly video: th-cam.com/video/bPt0giwWcWw/w-d-xo.html And just to be Mr. Obvious: If the gear selector on the dash moves the rod down to the back of the transmission case, with the engine running and you press the drive handle on the dash. If it tries to move but doesn't - check the cable tension on the left control. I show you how to adjust that tension in the video. If the problem is internal get the snowblower back to the dealer and let them check out the issue.
I have a 2016 toro 928 power HD love it, this year it smells like the choke is on and has a little skip running idle or full throttle. Any ideas? I’ve always ran non ethanol thanks for your time.
Put 2 tablespoons of Seafoam in a full tank of gas and run that through the snowblower. That should clean up the stutter. Also your local gas station may have changed the fuel and that's why it smells differently.
Have you found that taking weight off the front moving the axel location does cause the front to want to ride up more than it did in previous models? I am going to buy this same snow blower from a dealer just 2 miles up the rode from me. I own a house that sits on a corner lot that has a long driveway,a regular length sidewalk in the front but a half block long sidewalk on the side that the city snow plows like to fill up with wet and slushy snow from the street as thy drive by a 40 plus miles per hour. I just do not want to have to fight to keep the front end down by lifting up on the handles all winter long. Would adding weight to the front screw up the auto-turn system?
Toro and Ariens have "tweeked" their front auger, impeller and auger housing designs over the years so that none of these heavy duty machines ride up in snow. The ONLY time these machines will ride up is if you have a busted shear pin in the front auger and the machine can't get the snow into the unit. (All MTD made snow blowers with the 12 inch impeller and the 200 series Husqvarna will ride up if there is too much snow)
Hi Paul. I really appreciate this video. It seems like Toro has things figured out. Question. I recently purchased a Honda HSS1132ATD blower and we got to use it a few days ago for the first time. It’s a nice machine but the system that Honda uses to lift the housing and the sheer size of the machine was a bit of a bear. It was too much for my wife to use. I’ve seen your videos on the new Ariens track machines and they seem like they work well. The thing is, here in Western Michigan, I don’t know that I need an tracked machine. I’ve never had an issue with wheeled machines losing traction in my 20 years of using these machines. So, I sold my Honda today at a bit of a loss, after only having to for 3 weeks. Looking for a new machine and I’d like to stay with wheeled. With that being said, I have it down to a few options. With the cash I got on the sale, I can move to a wheeled Honda machine. HSS928ATD. I’m also looking at the Ariens Plat. 30 SHO, the Ariens Pro 28 Hydro EFI or the Toro 1028 OXHE. Here is the thing. Before my Honda, I was one those guys that had an Ariens Deluxe 28 SHO that I bought in 2018. It was a problem. I have a brand new concrete driveway and I have had massive issues with it steering left and right anytime it hit any frozen ice on the driveway. I sold it. I went thought the entire process and took it back to the dealer, they readjusted it, gave it back and still the same issues. This is why i am hesitant to get another auto-steer machine. Bottom line. I like Honda for the engine quality and the automotive style ignition. I don’t like the electric chute as it’s very slow. The engines are also detuned so they seem To struggle with the end of driveway stuff more than they should. A lot of guys have re-jetted the carbs on brand new machines, which seems to help. As far as Ariens, again, the auto steer is a bit scary for me. It didn’t work and I sold the machine that had it. I love the idea of auto-steer but don’t want to battle a machine to stay on track. Lastly, I like the hydro feature on all snowblowers. When you get to the end of the driveway, the standard machines all seem to be geared too high and go too fast in 1st gear on all of them. Which also makes me nervous with the Toro and one of the Ariens that I mentioned. The hydros are amazing as you can set them to literally barely crawl if you are going through some nasty stuff. All in all, I am wondering what you think of the four models that I mentioned with what I’ve explained. Any advice would be appreciated and I am thankful for all of the solid content that you put out. As an aside, and even thigh I don’t think I need one, all of the Ariens track machines are sold out in Western Michigan and my dealer has stated that Ariens can’t get any more. Seems like people like the system where it can be essentially a wheeled machine with the option of using the tracks for extra traction. But again, the auto-steer.
Of all the machines you are looking at I think the Toro 1028 will fit the best. 1. Even though it's a large frame snow blower it is balanced well and your wife will be able to use it. (She may have to get used to the trigger steering) 2. It will handle any snow you get including wet/heavy snow. 3. Yes, it is a friction drive but the Toro's 1st gear is very slow. It is a lot slower than the Deluxe 28 you had before. You will also find the Toro 1st gear is slow enough and handles the really "nasty stuff" a lot better than the Honda 928 - even though the Honda is a hydro. My second choice is the Ariens Pro 28 Hydro. It's a lot heavier and different than the Deluxe 28 and it doesn't wander around like the Deluxe 28's will if they are not adjusted right. It's a big snowblower but also balanced very well so your wife can use it.
inside Trans area looks similar to my 97 824 xl power throw, only difference looks to be gears and chain on opposite side vs same side like on mine, I love the toros, I have seen many problems with ariens around here, handles falling off or breaking off, gear boxes locking up etc, when I went to the simplicity dealer I was talking to there mechanic he told me not to buy simplicity and he recommended the toro snow blower over simplicity, I have an older 521 with 5.5 tech snow king on it, and a 824 power throw not much issues with either there durable. Great stuff and toro is great with parts even years and years later
Very informative! Watched both videos. Thinking about stopping at Eau Claire Lawn tomorrow to check this out, and possibly to Union Trailer to check out the Ariens. I used to work at EC Lawn, so maybe Tanya and Jason will give me a deal?
I just broke the link-drive rod on my 928 how do I replace it. Is there a trick to getting it off from the inside it broke off on the outside part#137-6157
I'm not a mechanic so I can't help. But I have some suggestions 1. If it's still under warranty take it to your local Toro dealer for repair. 2. If you got the extended warranty from Toro take it to your local Toro dealer for repair. 3. If are not mechanically inclined I suggest taking it to your local Toro dealer. 4. If you want to give it a try yourself check out DonyBoy73 th-cam.com/video/80pDb-ubZRs/w-d-xo.html 5. I usually look at the parts listing on Toro.com. The listing show how the parts go together. You'll need you model number off the nameplate to find the parts diagrams.
There are no grease fittings. Follow the maintenance schedule in your operator's manual. Here is a copy if you haven't bought the snow blower yet: manuals.toro.com/160980/index.html?rnd=0.37189325396545225#f8d7a914-409a-4253-9e93-d0b03e134d3a
Great video Paul..I ended up buying the same blower as you did...it runs great and throws snow like it has no end. One issue that just came up is that I'm getting a slight knocking noise when I backup the blower in reverse....it does it with or without the auger engagement ... It started the first time I took it out...it ran fine then started to make this noise about 20 minutes into the running of it...not sure where to go to look for this issue. It backs up fine...it just has that knocking sound..??
The one I have makes a slight noise when I backed it up the ramp into my shed. I asked my local dealer (who I trust) and he feels it may just be the friction drive wheel breaking in. (He tests his all his machines himself and it did make any noise when he ran it) The drive wheel is a rubber tire that runs against and aluminum plate and it sometimes takes a few uses before the tire is "scuffed" enough for it to run silent. If the noise gets louder or the machine starts to jerk call your dealer to see if he wants to look at it.
Ok I will keep an eye on it...the noise sounds like a clinking noise to me....not sure if it sounds like rubber / aluminum noise...Thanks for you reply..I'll keep you inform..@@PaulSikkema
Hi Paul...I've used the machine 2 more time since I last wrote about this knocking sound...and it still was happening..so I decide to take the covers off and check it out...nothing was found...so I started the machine up with the covers off and it was fine...so then I put the covers back on and still no noise???...then I took it down the drveway...NO NOISE...not sure what was going on...I did see some water under the blower...so I'm thinking maybe some ice was inside and melted out...we'll see...I will check back later...no added snow fall here in Maine in the last 2 weeks..
Great tutorial Paul. I've decided to get this particular machine due to your advice . One question : does the scraper bar need replacing and if so , could I do it myself ? Thanks
Yes, you can do it yourself but - Adjust your skid shoes so there is about 1/4 inch of clearance under the scraper. The snowblower will clear the snow well and the skid shoes will take all the wear. They are a lot cheaper to replace.
I finished filming yesterday - I now have about 26 inches of snow! I have to install curtain rods and closet shelves in a bedroom remodel this morning so hopefully I'll get the video out tomorrow or Sunday..
Yes! It's been on my list but my wife has had medical issues over the last two weeks. She's back home from the hospital this morning so give me a week and I'll get it done. I'll do videos of the Arctic Storm and the Storm models.
I worked in a toro shop part time for 25 years quit 6 years ago, great video. I gave my son my 20 year old 824. I just bought 826 oxe haven’t used it yet, how does the no shear pin work, I know something locks up did you do a video on that ? Thanks mike
Toro doesn't use shear pins because their auger, gearbox, and impeller are tough enough that you won't destroy them if you hit something. You'll just stall the engine.
He said on another video, that people requested it and thats why they went back. Honestly when the snow comes up and hits the top pitch the stiffer and harder it is the better the snow is going to fly. Plastic is usually pretty flimsey so steel is the way to go it doesn't beat back. Granted it comes down to how stiff the mechanism is that holds the pitch. As a ME I'm impressed by everything I see here in this video. Impressive.
10 years ago the plastic used by other manufactures had a lot of issues. Chutes popped off, dashes cracked and the chutes flopped around. Even today, the Chinese stuff is not on par with what we expect. The Toro Sub Zero Poly has always been a great material and you are correct - it's buyer perception that made them change to metal.
Thank you for the video! My blower when I use to put it in 6th gear I had to sprint behind it. Now, it barely moves. Reverse in 2nd gear barely moves also. Is this a result of a faulty cable in the drive train?
It may be your cable - check your owners manual on how to adjust the cable. If you lost your manual you can get one for your Toro at toro.com. If the cable adjustment is correct it can also be the friction disk. They do wear out. It's a fairly complex job on the Toro models so I suggest a dealer for the repair.
Very informative video. Question about the auger and ground clearance on my toro 1232. I Adjusted the skids to have the scraper bar at 1/8 inch of the ground. Doing that, I saw that the auger was pretty close to hit the ground + - 3/16 inch. I don't know if it is ok or not. Do you know what the clearance should be? Thanks,
This 928 is the same way. It's not and issue and actually helps to clear that last little bit of snow some other snow blowers just can't get. I also have the scraper bar set to 1/8 inch and when doing gravel it will pick up a rock once in a while but that is not an issue for me. ( I never point a snowblower at my windows or any person anyway...)
I found out that you can loosen the scraper bar and slide it down to give you more clearance under the auger if you want. Be sure to readjust the skid shoes when you are done. (I learn something new every day!)
@@PaulSikkema Found this porcedure on a old Power Max manual Page 20 www.toro.com/getpub/38010 Work very well for me on my new 1232. I think that Toro miss something by don't addressing this adjustment in the new model manual.
Thanks Paul for a great video. In your professional opinion, I am torn between this unit and the Ariens SHO 24. I am coming out of a Simplicity Signature Pro 1524, I absolutely hate the electric chute controls and the one trigger for turning. I gave my son my old Troy-Bilt 1026 and loved the steering of that unit. He loves that machine now and won't part with it. Thanks again!
Hi mp. This snow blower will have a lot less power for the size than the Ariens Platinum 24 SHO. If you liked all the power the old Simplicity had I suggest the Ariens. This unit and the Ariens both have automatic steering - no triggers or levers to pull!
this video shows you how to adjust the belts - you do it by adjusting the springs/cables in the back of the machine. Toro recommends that you take the snowblower into your authorized Toro dealer to replace the belts.
Toro uses a one piece frame for the snowblower. Toro does not publish how to replace the belts - they recommend taking the snowblower to your local dealer. That said, My go-to mechanic is DonBoy73. Here is his video on changing the belt. th-cam.com/video/0hZMDXOvcos/w-d-xo.html
Great job..lots of info here....I just bought this model last week at Home Depot...I'm looking forward to using it here in northern Maine this winter...our winters have been brutal the last 2 years.....I bought the factory tire chains...since I do a lot of snow removing in the back yard on grass for our dogs..My only issue was that this model did not come with hand warmers...I guess if they cannot be installed I will have to buy some thicker mittens. Paul do you have any opinions on the ARMORSkids shoes...I'm thinking about the HD skid models...I have a gravel stone / tar driveway and a larger grass area to clear out..
If you have a soft gravel driveway armorskids can help. Myself, I like the optional Toro poly skids. homedepot.sjv.io/xkox. Todays new snow blowers like this Toro and the Ariens are designed differently and don't have all the front weight that older snow blowers had. Because of that they don't dig in and tear up the turf or gravel near as much. I leave my grass long in the winter (3.5-4 inches) and I never have traction issues clearing a spot for the dogs.
Hi Paul. Great video! I just picked up a 928. I'm really excited to try it out but I have an issue. The impeller seems to be grinding against the two bolts attaching the rod that holds up snow shoot gear box. How much back and forth play should the impeller have on the impeller/auger shaft?
I don't know how much clearance it should have but that's not right. I would check with the dealer and he'll probably want to look at it to make to see if the bearing for the impeller/housing is mounted correctly.
@@PaulSikkema thanks so much for the reply! You were correct. One of the blades on the impeller was defective and welded at to much of an angle. They are ordering the part and should be good to go!
So Paul, Have you got a chance to use the 2018 928 Max HD this week after some more snow? I have a older Power Max 8 series and I need more power for the winters in Maine, still trying to decide between the 928 or 1028. Wish I could test drive the power steering. Seems you like the power steering more. I like the Ariens SHO ae well, but I love the single chute setup of the Toro's. So easy to use. Any more insight you can share would be appreciated. Thanks for your great reviews!
@@PaulSikkema OK, That's where I was leaning, especially after the heavy wet snow we got last night. I was blowing heavy slush this morning! 2 storms in the last couple of weeks! Toro dealer just got in some of the 928 and 1028 models, so I better move fast!
Hey I bought the 928 yesterday. I ran it a little and when I shift it to 6 for walking it goes real slow. I mean real slow,I talked to a guy at work who has the same one and he said he can barely keep up with his. Just wondering what was up.
If the neutral is in the wrong place and the reverse is a lot faster than your neighbors then It sounds like the shift rod between the handle and the transmission case may need adjustment. If not, contact your dealer and have them take a look at it.
I enjoy your detail snowblower videos! My 22 year old MTD 10-26 is still going strong, but will one day be replace with either the Ariens or Toro. I like the 4 way shute control of the Toro but notice the Toro uses a single auger belt instead of a double belt system. The belt Toro uses doe looks pretty strong and might not be factor when comparing it to the double belt auger system. Do you have any thoughts on the belt systems used between the 2 brands. Thank you! MikeS
Toro uses twin belts on the 1232, 1428 and 1432. That said the belt on the 928 and 1028 are a lot stronger than the belts on other brands. I never hear of anyone breaking a belt from over loading it.
Great video. In the video you speak about both Toro and Ariens snow blowers. Are they made by the same company? If so which company is the parent company?
I'm sorry - I'll clarify, Toro and Ariens are two different manufactures. Both make the heavy-duty snow blowers. Ariens is just as popular as Toro. Ariens was the first to use the auto-steer and many people want to know how this one is different - if it is.
Look under the dash at the control rod that goes between the shifter and the transmission down below. There is a spot where you can lengthen or shorten that rod. Adjusting it will change the speed. Just keep in mind adjusting the rod also changes the neutral position and the top forward and reverse speeds. You'll have to play with that adjustment to get the speed you want in first gear and still have the neutral slot in the right position.
About 4 minutes and 25 seconds into a video you talk about the tensioner And how does a 16-in of a gap between the tensioner and the frame. Talking about if everything is adjusted properly. You said check it after 2 hours. But you never talk about how to fix it if it's not a 16th of an inch If it is touching the frame?
Looking at your video it appears the belt pulley attached to the tensioner has moved in the slot it is bolted into. Loosen that pulley and then slide it all the way closer to the belt. That should get everything back into alignment for you.
@@PaulSikkema thank you for the help!! but I'm confused as to where this bolt is you're referring to so I can move the pulley. You're not talking about the bolt that's actually on the tensioner correct?. One thing I noticed opening this machine up to expose the belts and the transmission It looks a little different setup than the ones you have shown on your videos. They even got rid of the chain in the transmission switching to an oversized auto steer combination gear that turns everything. I wish I knew what bolt You are mentioning. Also is that going to fix the tensioner banging up against the frame when I let go of the auger lever or is that normal? Because there is no gap..
It's the bolt that the attaches the pulley to the arm. The arm should have a slot. Loosen the bolt and push it all the way in the slot towards the belt. Tighten the bolt.
need to buy a new unit straight away. I live in northern NJ. would like your thoughts between the 3 stage and a 2 stage. also best 28" unit to buy. thank you in advance for your reply.
Hi Joseph, The Toro 928 or Ariens Deluxe 28 SHO are good snow blowers for your area. I talk about them and answer the 3X question in this article here: movingsnow.com/2017/twenty-best-snow-blowers-september-2017-snow-blower-best/
@@PaulSikkema decided on the Toro Power Max HD 928 OAE 28 in. 265 cc Two-Stage Electric Start Gas Snow Blower. Like the construction and impeller and auger 14" size. thanks for the imput
As always a great vid that really gets into the nuts and bolts of the beast. Great advice on how to put the unit in the service position and the precautions to take. I wish local dealers were as concerned about the housing finish when servicing machines. When storing your snow blowers with pneumatic tires for long periods of time, do you put the unit on blocks to relieve stress on the tires? Also what is that skeletonized beam between the friction disc plate and the belt on this Toro?
When I store a snow blower inside I don't block up the tires but if I have to store one outside in the summer I'll make sure the tires are sitting out of the dirt. Blocks of wood, on a paver, etc. The belt at the bottom of the picture is the auger/impeller belt. The piece above it is the carrier for the friction disk. That piece rocks towards the friction tire when you engage the drive handle.
Paul Sikkema Thanks for the response. Regarding the blocks for outside that makes sense. I garage mine or store in a shed and never put the machine on blocks to keep tires off floor as recommended in the manual for long-term storage. That is one beefy beam on this Toro. These New Toro Powermax HD’s seem to be built like tanks. It is nice to see that they stepped up the construction heft, though I’m sure the heavy use of polymers on the previous units performed fine. However as a consumer I like the substantial build quality. I think these new models will compete very well against Ariens. The potential Ariens customer can no longer say I don’t like the Toro units because they use too much plastic/polymers. All the best and please keep these great vids coming.
Hi Scott, The ST230P is a light/medium duty snow blower. The Toro Power Max HD 1028 is a heavy duty snow blower. To get a Husqvarna that comes close to the 1028 you would have to buy the ST330P. What's the difference? The ST230P uses a 12 inch impeller - the 1028 uses a 14 inch impeller. Capacity-wise the 1028 will have considerably more capacity and will throw the snow farther than the ST230P. The ST230P uses "standard" v-belts and it has a habit of breaking the impeller belt in heavy/wet snow. The 1028 uses a "horsepower" impeller belt that's much stronger and usually lasts many years before it wears out. The ST230P uses plastic parts in the dash/controls that tend to break more often than the heavier poly/metal parts in the dash of the 1028. Specifically the One-hand operation interlock on the 200 series Husqvarna like to break or wear out quickly. If you live in an area south of Interstate 80 the ST230P will do the job but if you live in an area that gets 80-200 inches a year or gets wet/heavy snow like Boston, Upstate New York, Upper Michigan Minneapolis, etc., the 1028 is a much better choice. You do get what you pay for with snow blowers and in this case the extra $400 you'll spend on the 1028 gives you a much heavier duty machine. Check out more on the 1028 here: homedepot.sjv.io/5kkMD
@@PaulSikkema , i like your web site and now i am looking at your youtube - looking good. Your recent link for the 1028 at homedepot gives me an error of "The link you clicked on is malformed. Contact the editor of the originating page."
Thank you Sir for the video, I like both the Toro and Ariens. My biggest concern is with the auto turn since I have a 120' gravel driveway. I know you said they fix their issues, but wouldn't be catching and constantly pulling or disengaging one of the wheel if I'm on gravel?
Hi Robin's Nest, My second drive is 250 feet and part gravel, part, grass and part dirt. Part of it has a 10 inch slope across the 8 foot wide drive. I can easily handle an Ariens on this driveway and in fact the AutoTurn makes the snow blower easier to control than the Troy-Bilt Arctic Storm I have here that uses trigger steering. The secret to the Ariens not pulling you around is how well it's balanced. Unlike most trigger steers, for example the Husvarna ST327P it has no front end weight to catch on the uneven surface and try to pull you around. Even though the front end is very light - the design of the auger housing keeps the front on the ground. It won't ride up like some other brands (If it does you have a broken shear pin) I expect this new Toro to act the same way as the new Ariens. If you are really concerned about the autosteer the Toro 1028 uses triggers to steer.
Or when you flip it on its nose you can take the gas cap off and put a plastic bag on the gas cap and titan the cap back down on the bag and then you wont have to drain the gas or run it out of gas
None, but if you MUST use it be very careful so you don't get it on the friction wheel and friction disk. Getting any overspray on those parts will cause the transmission to slip. In fact, don't spray it. Put it on a rag and wipe it on the parts you want to protect.
Those bolts in the auger shaft on Toros are not shear pins. They are not designed to break. Instead the auger belt slips if something gets stuck in the machine.
Oh thanks for the video I’m still confused here’s what I have I have the newest model for 1030 HD 307 cc 2020 it’s supposed to have trigger less power steering but I can’t figure out how that works I couldn’t find anything in writing or a video or if you have any input I would greatly appreciate it thank you.
If you don't have steering triggers under the handles and you have a red metal chute you have the latest model. As far as you, the operator is concerned the "power steering" works just like you car. In other words, grab the handles, turn the unit and it just goes where you point the snow blower. The automatic steering is actually an automatic locking differential. When you are in gear, going forward, both wheel have power to them to give you all the traction. When you turn the inside wheel automatically unlocks so you can turn the snow blower easily. (With a trigger steer machine when you want to turn you have to pull a trigger under the handle to unlock the axle.) Starting at minute 11:00 in this video I explain the component that makes this all work (behind the scenes) for you.
the best tutorial I have ever seen
Love your videos! You helped me decide between the Ariens Deluxe 28 and the Toro Power Max HD 928. Both units are built very solid. For me.......I am going with the Toro for the chute control, no shear pins, no additional support needed up front for the auger assembly, and the anti-clogging system.
I've watched many of you videos with all the variuos brands. The video with you clearing your drive with the Toro 928 through 22 inchec of settled snow was very impressive!
Thank you for producing such informative and detailed video reviews.
Correction! I ended up buying an Ariens Deluxe 30 instead!
When I went to my dealer to look at the Toro and comparing it to the Ariens Deuxe 30.
The deluxe 30 was $ 100 dollars more and you get hand warmers, 306 cc engine vs 265 cc on the Toro, plus a 2 inch bigger machine.
The Toro has a lot of nice features and I would of been more than happy with it too!
At the end of the day......I chose the Ariens. Being from Wisconsin ....I like the idea of supporting a home state company! I also like the fact that although manufactured in China. LCT engine headquarters is in the USA and they have their own manufacturing plant in China.
I will tell you........The Ariens throws the snow! Very impressed! Wow!
Have a snow storm coming tonight and whatever comes down.......I will be sending back up in the air tomorrow with my Ariens!
Great video. I just purchased a Toro 1030 and a common issue seems to be folks saying it's too fast on the lowest setting. I've only played with mine enough to confirm it all works but did notice it seems a bit quick in 1st gear. Your video does an excellent job of explaining how the speed is changed with the wheel moving on the disc and now I understand how it works and what's happening when you adjust the connecting rod length at the speed control lever. I think with a little tweaking I can slow it down a little without worrying about damaging anything.
Thanks!
Need to buy a new blower. Liked the looks and features of these Toros, and this video was very informative. Thank you for helping me make a decision.
Thank you for your two very informative videos on the Toro 928. I was able to buy one used ( but like new ) today. You're videos made up my mind.
Great video. Really de-mystifies the inner workings. Shows that simple mechanical systems that have been used successfully for decades are still contenders for the new electric snowblowers.
You are a great teacher with great videos. I like to learn how to fix it myself which I have before and your info is excellent
Thank for this video, it is one of the best I've seen for simple/easy to understand explanations of the inner workings of this machine. You have so many great videos on snowblowers and i feel i've seen them all and have decided to purchase the toro 1030 Power Max HD thanks to your insight and knowledge.
That was an excellent video! Your review and explanation of the auto steering system convinced me to get a Toro Power Max this year. Thank you very much.
Thanks for this video Paul. It really helped me to understand this new auto steer from Toro.
Paul, that's one of the best informative videos I have seen in a long time. I have always wondered how that discs system works. Because mine has never broke, I have not had to learn it. As a retired (23 years) automotive instructor and 19 year auto mechanic, I have learned and seen a lot of failures in mechanical equipment. You are great at explaining the system and possible failure areas. I amazed at your positive attitude as to how and why some systems fail and what to watch out for. Your years of experience speaks volumes. I wish more technicians spoke like you do about how and why some things break or are not designed correct at first. Engineers now days have a very short time to bring to manufacture and sometimes need to fine-tune on the run. Being understanding of the whole picture is a great start to getting situations resolved.
Thanks Johny, I don't mention it often - like you I have over 20 years experience training nuclear power plant electricians and their supervisors. That experience helps me see the detail and hopefully explain it well when discussing these machines.
I recently purchased the 1028 OHXE and watching your video gave me much more insight regarding the internal functions of the HD lineup and maintenance areas to monitor. I really enjoyed your video, very informative, thank you.
Thank you Paul I always appreciate your knowledge of these machines..
Enjoyed both Toro 928 OAE snow blower video reviews. Very helpful. Thank you!
Fantastic video. Detailed engineering-oriented review that answered so many of my questions, especially those related to the automatic steering. Thanks for doing this video!
Paul, I'm on my second year with this 928 and have done everything to make sure this should drive straight. However no matter what I do it pulls to the right and I have a 250ft. driveway to clear. It's a real workout on the upper body constantly steering left to keep it straight. I am not the only one who has this problem as many others have also reported the same thing in reviews or questions on auto steer pulling you around. After talking to my dealer, double triple checking everything and setting up everything correctly, I noticed the axel and bearings on each side of the chassis slides from side to side as the bearings just float inside the chassis hole and are not bolted on like a competitors model. I told my dealer about my concern of the axel bearings not being very tight to the frame and asked why bearings were not bolted on when I noticed it after delivery and first time out while battling to keep it straight. He told me not to worry about the design and it wouldn't wear out like my 2001 MTD 1024 I inherited from my Grandfather (still runs strong but holes have elongated now and were round like my Toro when new). I really just noticed just how much this moves yesterday after clearing just 3" of snow from the driveway as it does go straighter in deeper snow but not much. I have 1/4 inch play in the axel (moving inside the bushing) plus 1/4 inch additional play in the bushing sliding in the frame hole if I hold the handles and move it left to right. So when driving straight the wheels are probably 1/2 inch farther to the left than they should be causing it to push right. I have a Toro Powershift 828 that never gave me a problem in 30 years of heavy New England snow fall until the last late 2018 storm 4" Heavy slush clean up finally caused the gears in the auger to go. Then bought the 928 thinking it would be just as good and better with more power. Everything else about this machine is great really but I wish I went with the 1028 when they still made them with the trigger steer and probably better or beefier axel set up. I know your not a fan of trigger steer and like auto turn but it also depends on what your needs are and how good you are at operating machinery. Bottom line, have you notice this in yours and if not can you please check your Toro HDs and see if they all move side to side as mine does or do you think it may be out of tolerance or maybe missing a clip inside to secure the Bearings? I am also experiencing the Click, Click, Click noise when backing up again, this happened first year but went away with a Clunk!. Now its back again and sounds worse, in looking at your exposed diagram of the auto turn I'm wondering if the gears inside are slipping and grabbing the next sprocket making the noise? Your opinion on this matter would be greatly appreciated as you are very highly respected to me and have probably watched every snow blower video you produced, probably 10 times on the 928HD videos. Thanks Paul!
1. I'm guessing you've watched this video so you know how it's supposed to look.
2. Take a picture of the nameplate on you snowblower or write the serial number down
3. Go to this link: www.toro.com/en/homeowner/snow-blowers/power-max-hd-928-oae-38840
4. Scroll down the page to the parts & manuals tab. Click on the number sequence that includes your serial number.
5. The click on parts. The click on the autoturn drive assembly. You can see two retaining clips, part 24 on the diagram.
6. Put your snowblower in the service position and remove the transmission covers. Check for loose parts on the covers when you remove them.
7. Check to see if those clips are in place.
@@PaulSikkema Thanks or confirming what I thought I should do as I noticed the retaining clips on the inside of bearings on one of your videos. If the clips are in place should it not have any play side to side? In other words did you notice the 928 you have to have any play in the axel or are they solid? Thanks again for your quick reply, we may be getting another small storm in a few days. Not many this year so far......
There should be very little play. This one only has about 1/8 inch at the most.
@@PaulSikkema Thank you again Paul, mine had more play than that when new so somethings up, going to check inside tomorrow. will let you know how I make out.
@@PaulSikkema I removed the transmission covers and the clips are in place. Everything looks to be assembled correctly and no parts missing. The side to side motion seems to be due to the frame not being as wide as the axel bearings inner flange and there is about 1/2" play till the flange hits the inside of the frame. Will have to talk to my dealer about it but would appreciate any input you have. Also the chain is kind of loose and there doesn't appear to be any adjustment for this?
Awesome video, thanks for the deep explanation on the auto steer!
Paul . .. I can't thank you enough for the time and work you put into your videos. We had researched the purchase of a new snow blower recently and your videos and detailed info on the workings of these machines is right up my alley. Based on it, we did purchase a Toro Power Max HD 928.
But you also do the same with other brands and it is interesting to see both the differences and similarities of how each brand is made and performs.
Yes I do. Click on my name in the description below and it will take you to the main page. I have videos for Ariens, Troy-Bilt, Husqvarna, Cub Cadet, cordless electric snowthrowers and a few Chinese made brands.
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I bought this machine 3 weeks ago and finally used it today. I'm not fond of the auto steer. It doesn't want to stay straight on a paved driveway or sidewalk. It wants to steer left on its own. My last machine had triggers. It may be because of the 6 inches of very wet snow, almost like slush. The end of the driveway was all slush. I will say this machine does not clog. If it will throw this stuff 25ft, that is amazing. My neighbor was impressed.The augur handel will need adjusting because it will not stay down every time when trying to work one handed. This machine should be easy to use in real snow.
Hi Easy Ray, Did you assemble it yourself? Did a dealer or was it an associate at a retail store?
Two things you want to check. 1. Make sure the tire pressure is the same in both tires. 2. Check the skid shoe adjustment so that both side are equal. I have two 1/4 inch thick boards about 12 inches long. I put one on each side under the scraper bar and then loosen the skid shoes. Let them drop to the ground and re-tighten them.
The auto-steering drives a lot like a shopping cart. In the grocery store the cart is very easy turn. You can easily drive it with one hand. When you go out in the parking lot rocks, ruts and cracks in the pavement can cause the cart to want to wander and you need both hands to control it. So like the shopping cart you just can't let go and expect the auto-steering to go in a straight line - you'll have to hold it if the driveway has bumps, ruts and pieces sticking up. Personally, I like it because I don't have to remember to pull a trigger to make it turn. It just goes where I point it.
Hi Paul; I bought from a dealer so i'm a little disappointed. When I get a chance I'll adjust the skid shoes,Speed adjust, and one hand operation adjustment.Tires are ok. I'll try 1/4 inch on the skid shoes.
Thanks for the great videos.
I am about ready to purchase a new snowblower but am undecided between the Toro 1030 OHAE or the Ariens 28 Deluxe SHO. which one do you think is the better machine?
Tough call. Both are excellent machines. Here are a few things to consider.
1. What size door will it go through. A 28 inch will go through a standard 32 inch garage side door. A 32 inch needs a 36 inch door.
2. Toro has the quick-stick chute control. To turn the chute on the Ariens you reach over the dash with your right hand. The deflector is separate. Some Toro owners complain the Quick-chute it too fast and the blue locking button is hard to use with gloved hands. Some short Ariens owners complain about having to reach over the dash to turn the chute.
3. Both use automatic steering - no levers to pull. (Ariens calls it auto-turn and had it first)
4. Both are very easy to use. Both have all the weight over the tires for the best traction. The Ariens is balanced just a little better and there is not as much force needed to lift the front when turning.
5. The Ariens has a little more power/size because it's a 28 inch/306cc verses the Toro 30 inch/302cc.
6. Both handle all types of snow very well and both off-load excess snow so the engine doesn't lug down in heavy/wet snow. Toro calls it Anti-Clog System, Ariens doesn't have a name for there's. (Look at some of my older videos where I go into how each brand does this.)
7. Which dealer do you like better. I always suggest buying from a local dealer with a service department than from a big box store or online.
8. You can change the Ariens belts yourself. Toro recommends you take it to a dealer to change the belts and doesn't have a procedure in the manual to show you how to do it.
@@PaulSikkema thank you for the reply. I agree buying from a local dealer over a big box store as the local dealer would probably be the one doing any warranty work if required. you made a good point about changing the belts on the toro and i will ask about that when i go there. my biggest concern is getting a machine that can blow snow a minimum of 40 ft. and up to 50 ft. as i have a large area in front of my garage that usualy drifts in up to 2 feet in front of the big doors. the only local dealer here sells both Toro and Ariens .
Both snowblowers will throw heavy, wet snow 40-50 feet.
Hello our 926 OXE is a 2014 or 15 model, and its been real solid like you mentioned, the wheel clutch sprocket assemblies haven't given any problems at all. What we do have is some kind of very loud vibration squeal noise that comes from either pushing the unit without using the drive. Or even if its being driven it has this vibration squeal. Something there is getting dry and needs lube I just have to try and reproduce it with it in the service on its nose position. Great info and thanks
The first thing I would check is the clutch lever tension. When the unit is not running and the clutch lever is up the cable going down to the transmission case should be loose. The proper tightness is when you push down on the clutch handle the cable will tighten and the spring should expand about 3/8 to 1/2 inch.
The next area I would check is the rubber tire and the friction plate it rides on. The rubber tire should be smooth. The friction plate should be clean. If the friction plate needs cleaning use rubbing alcohol to clean it and the rubber tire. DO NOT USE ANY FORM OF LUBRICATION ON THE FRICTION PLATE OR RUBBER TIRE. If the friction wheel is rough or has pieces missing it needs to be replaced.
Since it's a squeal it's most likely not the chain or gears but You can rub grease on the chain and gears with your finger but don't use a lot and DON'T GET IT ON THE FRICTION PLATE!
Thank you Paul....perfect video, well explained !!!!
Can you do an inside of a Honda snowblower!
I would gladly do this but Honda snowblowers are just not sold here in the Midwest. The closet dealer that may have one is 150 miles away. I'll contact Honda again this year but so far (the last 10 years) they have not been willing to let me use one.
Great video Paul. I have the 1028 OHXE snowblower. The auger on mine doesn't want to spin when the handle is pressed down. The impeller does engage. I have narrowed the problem down to the auger gear case. Can I take the gear case apart and see if there is a worn out gear that I may be able to replace vs the over $500 cost of a new auger gear case? I pulled the 6 bolts out and do not know how to pry the gear case cover off and do not want to damage it so figured I would ask someone who appears to know quite a bit about these Toro snowblowers. Thanks.
Yes, you can take the gearcase apart but Toro does not show the parts inside the case. So if the gears are worn out I don't know if you can get them individually.
It's worth taking the cover off and inspecting the internals - it may be something as simple as a loose drift pin.
The gearcase top has a gasket. I use a flexible metal paint scraper to lift the cover. I drive the scraper into the gasket with a hammer until it looses up. If you can't get the new gasket use Permatex form-a-gasket to replace the old one. (Auto parts stores carry the Permatex)
@@PaulSikkema Thank you for the response. I will give this a try.
Do you have a video showing how to adjust the scrapper bar? The bolts face the ground and are hard to get at.
Just to be clear. If you are adjusting the gap under the scraper bar you do that by adjusting the skid shoes on the sides of the housing. Just search TH-cam and there will be plenty of videos for that.
If you actually want to adjust the scraper bar because it's worn. Tip the snowblower back up on it's handles. The bolts will be accessible then. Loosen all of them and pull the scraper bar down. Retighten all the bolts.
I was trying to reply to the video about what to do if the snow blower pulls to one side or the other or both. In that video you say release the skid adjustments and see if the scrapper bar is even and touching the ground. If not than loosen the bolts on the bar and pull it down until it touches the ground evenly. This is the part I couldn’t figure out?
Thanks,
Joel
Hi Paul , is there any difference between 2018 model 928 And 2021 model 928 ? Same machine as in this video. Thanks
There is no difference I'm aware of. There is no serial number differentiation on the parts page. Usually when they make a change they will list the serial numbers into sections.
www.toro.com/en/parts/partdetails?id=50196&srsltid=AfmBOorrItMyX4CyuTzg7t8tf311qWHbUG6tqywpgKRaf_SQBwKp3zwx
Thanks Paul
Excellent promotional video!
Any day my Auto Turn will arrive here!
Someone else will get 9 more years out of my 2013 Compact 24 with the Briggs!
You are so convincing asking the questions. I fell asleep and started answering you while the video was playing on my phone in my lap.
Hopefully Ariens figured out the light positioning this time. I added an led light to replace the dashboard light on the Compact from 2013.
Thanks for the video I have the 824 model ,so far so 👍
Thanks for the VERY informative video. It clears up a lot of old info on the inet.
Hey Paul, it looks as though Toro’s rods are galvanized so they don’t rust? Also the bracket is Aluminum so it doesn’t rust either? Thanks
Hey Paul is it possible to have hand warmers installed on this Toro 928 ? Thanks
Toro does not make a kit to put handwarmers on their snowblowers that didn't come from the factory.
You need at least a 5 amp alternator to run handwarmers and since the 928 only has an LED light it may have just a 2 amp.
Thanks Paul looks like I will just purchase a good pair of gloves lol
can you show me how to adjust my new 9/28 HD oxe so the machine will not move when the machine is idlingI It creeps in reverse. 2019 model. all I know is the left cable needs to be adjusted. Your video is detailed and very easy to understand.
Under the dash is a large black rod that goes from the shifter lever down to the transmission case. The connection of that bar to the shifter lever is threaded. Just remove the clip and turn the connector 2-3 turns one or the other. ( I think you turn it so the rod is shorter) Play with that until it no longer moves.
If that doesn't work loosen/adjust the clutch cable just a little. It may be too tight and the friction disk is still pushing against the friction wheel.
Excellent overview. Thanks
I have the same unit and the auger stopped engaging after I hit an obstacle. I opened and noted the belt is too loose. I did not find any adjustment on it? Do I need to remove the spring clutch assembly to be able to remove the belt and install a new one.
Thanks
Toro does not give instructions for changing the belts. The recommend taking it to your local dealer and have the mechanic change them. (They have split pulleys which are difficult to take apart and get back together. )
Thanks. I was able to remove the belt quite easily after removing the cover and the alignment bar held by two bolts, no need to do anything with the pulleys. I have ordered a new belt and hopefully should be able to put it back on the drive and auger pulleys. I did not see any belt adjustment option.
The idler pulley has a spring on to so the belt is under constant tension so the drive plate in the transmission is running all the time the engine is running.
Great video. I just purchased a used 11280XE. Good to know that it's a durable unit.
Can you show us how to adjust a trigger steer and also the friction wheel? Sometimes my friction wheel when blowing wont want to engage until I rock the blower back and forth. Also the trigger on one side doesn't work so well any more. I already learned how to "split" the Toro in half and replaced the belts and fixed my auger case. Any help?
I'm guessing you have an older 928 with trigger steering? Here is the Toro Service manual that shows how to adjust the friction drive cable and trigger steering cables. The procedures start on Page 4-11. www.snowblowersdirect.com/manuals/toro-a3abea3ea6cade63e7900ef48d317cc2.pdf
@@PaulSikkema 1128OXE Powermax. Bought it in Fall 2009. Still like brand new due to my maintenance. LOVE IT. OK I will try to look in there. Thank you very much
@@PaulSikkema subscribed big fella!
@@PaulSikkema By the way how difficult is it to buy a LED light and hook it up to the original wiring for better light?
If the snowblower has a light on it now - not bad. If it has no light now the alternator is not strong enough to handle a light.
You'll need a bridge rectifier and a 35 watt or less LED. Your snowblower has a non-regulated a-c generator (alternator.) LED lights are DC current. So without the rectifier the light will flash. (You car has this built into the alternator) Just search TH-cam and there are a bunch showing you how to do it.
Usually buy a bridge rect like this one because there is no soldering involved: amzn.to/3sgzUdO.
Here is a sample of lights that work: amzn.to/3pCehmt
I'm buying an 826 oae and am a little concerned about no grease fitting on the auger shafts. I had a Simplicity that had them but seems everyone is cheating out now. I think Ariens is the only brand putting them on. I really like your videos.
The grease fittings are used to put grease on the shaft inside the auger. When a shear pin breaks you want the outside auger to spin freely. Cub Cadet/MTD has gone to plastic bushings on the auger shaft so they don't need the grease fittings.
Toro doesn't need the grease fittings because they don't use shear pins like your Simplicity. If you lodge something in the auger the belt slips instead. The bolts on the front auger on the Toro 826 are NOT shear pins and actually grade 5 bolts.
Very informational video. Question for you: the big and smaller gears, I see some yellowish grease. But in your narrative, you say there's no need to apply any grease to them. So do I need to put grease to it once in a while?
You don't have to but you can if you want. Be sure to use very little grease and do not get it on the friction disk or friction wheel.
Hi I've watched all the videos on snowblowers you have love them I have one question you might have an answer to the new PowerMax HD auger gearbox there's no shear pins what happens if you suck in a frozen newspaper or rock or something that causes the auger or impeller to stop does the engine kill or is there a clutch that disengages until you clear the problem or does it have both the clutch for clogs and the engine kill feature for a jam.
The drivetrain is tough enough to handle that kind of abuse. The belts will slip if you get something caught in it. The belts are tough enough to not burn up.
Hi Paul I am interested in the Toro Power Max and am wondering what the difference is between the 928 OAE in the video and the Power Max 826 OXE 26 in. 252cc Two-Stage Electric Start Gas Snow Blower. I live in Newburyport MA and we can get very little snow or a TON! I would like to clear our small driveway, huge icy dump pile from city plowing at end of driveway and use to clear pathways for dog in yard and pathways to shed and fence. My son thought the joystick would break more easily, but it looks like it is well made.
Hi Sarah, The 928 has considerably more capacity than the 826. The 928 will handle ANY snow you get in Newburyport including the Noreasters with their heavy/wet snowman snow. The 826 will handle most of the snows but it won't be as fast and it may have problems pushing through the big snow plow drifts. Of course with those big snows you can always take half-width passes and it will get the job done - just not as fast as the 928. I normally recommend the 928 or larger machine for your area but with your small driveway the 826 may be the best choice.
Thank you for this detailed view of the transmission area, Paul! I have owned a similar Power Max HD 826 OXE model for the past five years and have thoroughly enjoyed its capabilities. This past year, I am hearing a loud grinding or sheet metal rattling type noise coming from my Toro when the transmission is engaged from 1-6 while moving my snowblower from one location to another. The auger is not engaged when this noise is present, the sheet metal screws all appear to be tight, and the noise is also not present when moving the snowblower while the engine is running and the transmission is disengaged. Would you happen to have any idea what may be causing this noise?
If you don't feel confident in doing this please take it to your local dealer.
I don't know off hand but:
Prep it and tip it up on it's nose like I show in this video.
Remove the bottom cover and as you are removing it look for loose nuts, bolts and other parts that fall out. If you find something figure out where it goes and if it's just loose or broken.
Check the chain and see if it is hitting the shaft below it. You'll see polish marks from the chain. That could be the cause of the rattle. There is nothing wrong and ther is no way to tighten the chain.
Wiggle the gears side to side, wiggle the shafts up and down. In other words, just look around for anything that is loose or broken.
If you find something or you don't quite know what you are looking at write down (or take picture with your phone) the model and serial number.
Go here and at the bottom of the page go to the parts section. Click on the serial number range for your snowblower and parts diagrams will pop up. Use them to see how it all fits together. www.toro.com/en-ca/homeowner/snow-blowers/power-max-826-oxe-37799
@@PaulSikkema Thank you, Paul. I will take a look around and see what I can find.
I just purchased the Toro Powermax 838 and the speed selector isn't connected to the rubber tire. I can't for the life of me figure out how it's supposed to connect. I have no speed selection and no reverse. Any ideas? Thank you.
Check out this assembly video: th-cam.com/video/bPt0giwWcWw/w-d-xo.html
And just to be Mr. Obvious: If the gear selector on the dash moves the rod down to the back of the transmission case, with the engine running and you press the drive handle on the dash. If it tries to move but doesn't - check the cable tension on the left control. I show you how to adjust that tension in the video.
If the problem is internal get the snowblower back to the dealer and let them check out the issue.
I have a 2016 toro 928 power HD love it, this year it smells like the choke is on and has a little skip running idle or full throttle. Any ideas? I’ve always ran non ethanol thanks for your time.
Put 2 tablespoons of Seafoam in a full tank of gas and run that through the snowblower. That should clean up the stutter.
Also your local gas station may have changed the fuel and that's why it smells differently.
Have you found that taking weight off the front moving the axel location does cause the front to want to ride up more than it did in previous models? I am going to buy this same snow blower from a dealer just 2 miles up the rode from me. I own a house that sits on a corner lot that has a long driveway,a regular length sidewalk in the front but a half block long sidewalk on the side that the city snow plows like to fill up with wet and slushy snow from the street as thy drive by a 40 plus miles per hour. I just do not want to have to fight to keep the front end down by lifting up on the handles all winter long. Would adding weight to the front screw up the auto-turn system?
Toro and Ariens have "tweeked" their front auger, impeller and auger housing designs over the years so that none of these heavy duty machines ride up in snow.
The ONLY time these machines will ride up is if you have a busted shear pin in the front auger and the machine can't get the snow into the unit.
(All MTD made snow blowers with the 12 inch impeller and the 200 series Husqvarna will ride up if there is too much snow)
Great video!
Great job with the video. Thanks!
Very helpful. Are both auger & impeller 14”? I am finding conflicting info on-line; some say impeller is 12”. Thank you.
The PowerMax HD uses a 14 inch impeller and 14 inch Auger
Thanks Paul.
Hi Paul. I really appreciate this video. It seems like Toro has things figured out.
Question. I recently purchased a Honda HSS1132ATD blower and we got to use it a few days ago for the first time. It’s a nice machine but the system that Honda uses to lift the housing and the sheer size of the machine was a bit of a bear. It was too much for my wife to use. I’ve seen your videos on the new Ariens track machines and they seem like they work well. The thing is, here in Western Michigan, I don’t know that I need an tracked machine. I’ve never had an issue with wheeled machines losing traction in my 20 years of using these machines.
So, I sold my Honda today at a bit of a loss, after only having to for 3 weeks. Looking for a new machine and I’d like to stay with wheeled.
With that being said, I have it down to a few options. With the cash I got on the sale, I can move to a wheeled Honda machine. HSS928ATD. I’m also looking at the Ariens Plat. 30 SHO, the Ariens Pro 28 Hydro EFI or the Toro 1028 OXHE.
Here is the thing. Before my Honda, I was one those guys that had an Ariens Deluxe 28 SHO that I bought in 2018. It was a problem. I have a brand new concrete driveway and I have had massive issues with it steering left and right anytime it hit any frozen ice on the driveway. I sold it. I went thought the entire process and took it back to the dealer, they readjusted it, gave it back and still the same issues. This is why i am hesitant to get another auto-steer machine.
Bottom line. I like Honda for the engine quality and the automotive style ignition. I don’t like the electric chute as it’s very slow. The engines are also detuned so they seem
To struggle with the end of driveway stuff more than they should. A lot of guys have re-jetted the carbs on brand new machines, which seems to help.
As far as Ariens, again, the auto steer is a bit scary for me. It didn’t work and I sold the machine that had it. I love the idea of auto-steer but don’t want to battle a machine to stay on track.
Lastly, I like the hydro feature on all snowblowers. When you get to the end of the driveway, the standard machines all seem to be geared too high and go too fast in 1st gear on all of them. Which also makes me nervous with the Toro and one of the Ariens that I mentioned. The hydros are amazing as you can set them to literally barely crawl if you are going through some nasty stuff.
All in all, I am wondering what you think of the four models that I mentioned with what I’ve explained.
Any advice would be appreciated and I am thankful for all of the solid content that you put out. As an aside, and even thigh I don’t think I need one, all of the Ariens track machines are sold out in Western Michigan and my dealer has stated that Ariens can’t get any more. Seems like people like the system where it can be essentially a wheeled machine with the option of using the tracks for extra traction. But again, the auto-steer.
Of all the machines you are looking at I think the Toro 1028 will fit the best.
1. Even though it's a large frame snow blower it is balanced well and your wife will be able to use it. (She may have to get used to the trigger steering)
2. It will handle any snow you get including wet/heavy snow.
3. Yes, it is a friction drive but the Toro's 1st gear is very slow. It is a lot slower than the Deluxe 28 you had before. You will also find the Toro 1st gear is slow enough and handles the really "nasty stuff" a lot better than the Honda 928 - even though the Honda is a hydro.
My second choice is the Ariens Pro 28 Hydro. It's a lot heavier and different than the Deluxe 28 and it doesn't wander around like the Deluxe 28's will if they are not adjusted right. It's a big snowblower but also balanced very well so your wife can use it.
@@PaulSikkema /Thank you. I am headed to a few dealers tomorrow to spend some cash and I appreciate the insight. Take care.
inside Trans area looks similar to my 97 824 xl power throw, only difference looks to be gears and chain on opposite side vs same side like on mine, I love the toros, I have seen many problems with ariens around here, handles falling off or breaking off, gear boxes locking up etc, when I went to the simplicity dealer I was talking to there mechanic he told me not to buy simplicity and he recommended the toro snow blower over simplicity, I have an older 521 with 5.5 tech snow king on it, and a 824 power throw not much issues with either there durable. Great stuff and toro is great with parts even years and years later
Very informative! Watched both videos. Thinking about stopping at Eau Claire Lawn tomorrow to check this out, and possibly to Union Trailer to check out the Ariens. I used to work at EC Lawn, so maybe Tanya and Jason will give me a deal?
How can change the Traction Drive Assembly is broken
I'm not a mechanic so I suggest heading over to Donyboy73. Search there for the repair.
I just broke the link-drive rod on my 928 how do I replace it. Is there a trick to getting it off from the inside it broke off on the outside
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I'm not a mechanic so I can't help. But I have some suggestions
1. If it's still under warranty take it to your local Toro dealer for repair.
2. If you got the extended warranty from Toro take it to your local Toro dealer for repair.
3. If are not mechanically inclined I suggest taking it to your local Toro dealer.
4. If you want to give it a try yourself check out DonyBoy73 th-cam.com/video/80pDb-ubZRs/w-d-xo.html
5. I usually look at the parts listing on Toro.com. The listing show how the parts go together. You'll need you model number off the nameplate to find the parts diagrams.
On this model is there any grease fitting on auger shaft or is it sealed and what maintenance should I perform?
There are no grease fittings. Follow the maintenance schedule in your operator's manual. Here is a copy if you haven't bought the snow blower yet: manuals.toro.com/160980/index.html?rnd=0.37189325396545225#f8d7a914-409a-4253-9e93-d0b03e134d3a
Great video Paul..I ended up buying the same blower as you did...it runs great and throws snow like it has no end. One issue that just came up is that I'm getting a slight knocking noise when I backup the blower in reverse....it does it with or without the auger engagement ... It started the first time I took it out...it ran fine then started to make this noise about 20 minutes into the running of it...not sure where to go to look for this issue. It backs up fine...it just has that knocking sound..??
The one I have makes a slight noise when I backed it up the ramp into my shed. I asked my local dealer (who I trust) and he feels it may just be the friction drive wheel breaking in. (He tests his all his machines himself and it did make any noise when he ran it) The drive wheel is a rubber tire that runs against and aluminum plate and it sometimes takes a few uses before the tire is "scuffed" enough for it to run silent. If the noise gets louder or the machine starts to jerk call your dealer to see if he wants to look at it.
Ok I will keep an eye on it...the noise sounds like a clinking noise to me....not sure if it sounds like rubber / aluminum noise...Thanks for you reply..I'll keep you inform..@@PaulSikkema
Hi Paul...I've used the machine 2 more time since I last wrote about this knocking sound...and it still was happening..so I decide to take the covers off and check it out...nothing was found...so I started the machine up with the covers off and it was fine...so then I put the covers back on and still no noise???...then I took it down the drveway...NO NOISE...not sure what was going on...I did see some water under the blower...so I'm thinking maybe some ice was inside and melted out...we'll see...I will check back later...no added snow fall here in Maine in the last 2 weeks..
Great tutorial Paul. I've decided to get this particular machine due to your advice . One question : does the scraper bar need replacing and if so , could I do it myself ? Thanks
Yes, you can do it yourself but - Adjust your skid shoes so there is about 1/4 inch of clearance under the scraper. The snowblower will clear the snow well and the skid shoes will take all the wear. They are a lot cheaper to replace.
@@PaulSikkema thanks !
Hi Paul
When are you going to show us the Toro in action or have you already.
I finished filming yesterday - I now have about 26 inches of snow! I have to install curtain rods and closet shelves in a bedroom remodel this morning so hopefully I'll get the video out tomorrow or Sunday..
Paul Sikkema Thank you. Looking forward to it.
Can we get a look inside the Troy bilt / MTD?
Thanks!
Yes! It's been on my list but my wife has had medical issues over the last two weeks. She's back home from the hospital this morning so give me a week and I'll get it done. I'll do videos of the Arctic Storm and the Storm models.
Did you ever make a vid on the Troy-Bilts? Can't find it..
th-cam.com/video/C53RSZatG6g/w-d-xo.html
I worked in a toro shop part time for 25 years quit 6 years ago, great video. I gave my son my 20 year old 824. I just bought 826 oxe haven’t used it yet, how does the no shear pin work, I know something locks up did you do a video on that ? Thanks mike
Toro doesn't use shear pins because their auger, gearbox, and impeller are tough enough that you won't destroy them if you hit something. You'll just stall the engine.
Question. Why did they go back to the metal chute after praising the plastic?
He said on another video, that people requested it and thats why they went back. Honestly when the snow comes up and hits the top pitch the stiffer and harder it is the better the snow is going to fly. Plastic is usually pretty flimsey so steel is the way to go it doesn't beat back. Granted it comes down to how stiff the mechanism is that holds the pitch. As a ME I'm impressed by everything I see here in this video. Impressive.
10 years ago the plastic used by other manufactures had a lot of issues. Chutes popped off, dashes cracked and the chutes flopped around. Even today, the Chinese stuff is not on par with what we expect. The Toro Sub Zero Poly has always been a great material and you are correct - it's buyer perception that made them change to metal.
Thank you for the video! My blower when I use to put it in 6th gear I had to sprint behind it. Now, it barely moves. Reverse in 2nd gear barely moves also. Is this a result of a faulty cable in the drive train?
It may be your cable - check your owners manual on how to adjust the cable. If you lost your manual you can get one for your Toro at toro.com. If the cable adjustment is correct it can also be the friction disk. They do wear out. It's a fairly complex job on the Toro models so I suggest a dealer for the repair.
Very informative video. Question about the auger and ground clearance on my toro 1232. I Adjusted the skids to have the scraper bar at 1/8 inch of the ground. Doing that, I saw that the auger was pretty close to hit the ground + - 3/16 inch. I don't know if it is ok or not. Do you know what the clearance should be?
Thanks,
This 928 is the same way. It's not and issue and actually helps to clear that last little bit of snow some other snow blowers just can't get. I also have the scraper bar set to 1/8 inch and when doing gravel it will pick up a rock once in a while but that is not an issue for me. ( I never point a snowblower at my windows or any person anyway...)
I found out that you can loosen the scraper bar and slide it down to give you more clearance under the auger if you want. Be sure to readjust the skid shoes when you are done. (I learn something new every day!)
@@PaulSikkema Found this porcedure on a old Power Max manual
Page 20
www.toro.com/getpub/38010
Work very well for me on my new 1232. I think that Toro miss something by don't addressing this adjustment in the new model manual.
Another question can you shift while moving or do you have to disengage the drive wheel to change to a faster or slower forward gear
You should stop your movement when shifting a friction disk transmission. Only the hydrostatic transmissions can be shifted on the fly.
Would it hurt to put white lithium grease on the chains?
Yes, Lithium grease is a good choice. I have a can of marine axle grease that I use.
Thanks again Paul, great in depth video very informative.
Thanks Paul for a great video. In your professional opinion, I am torn between this unit and the Ariens SHO 24. I am coming out of a Simplicity Signature Pro 1524, I absolutely hate the electric chute controls and the one trigger for turning. I gave my son my old Troy-Bilt 1026 and loved the steering of that unit. He loves that machine now and won't part with it. Thanks again!
Hi mp. This snow blower will have a lot less power for the size than the Ariens Platinum 24 SHO. If you liked all the power the old Simplicity had I suggest the Ariens. This unit and the Ariens both have automatic steering - no triggers or levers to pull!
Like to see a video on changing/adjusting the belts, thanks
this video shows you how to adjust the belts - you do it by adjusting the springs/cables in the back of the machine.
Toro recommends that you take the snowblower into your authorized Toro dealer to replace the belts.
I'm very mechanical minded.why a dealer R & R for belts.
Does the blower need to be split to do so.?
Thanks great channel!!
Toro uses a one piece frame for the snowblower. Toro does not publish how to replace the belts - they recommend taking the snowblower to your local dealer. That said,
My go-to mechanic is DonBoy73. Here is his video on changing the belt. th-cam.com/video/0hZMDXOvcos/w-d-xo.html
Thanks Paul !
Appreciate the response,in the process of watching all your S Blower vids,good stuff!
Great job..lots of info here....I just bought this model last week at Home Depot...I'm looking forward to using it here in northern Maine this winter...our winters have been brutal the last 2 years.....I bought the factory tire chains...since I do a lot of snow removing in the back yard on grass for our dogs..My only issue was that this model did not come with hand warmers...I guess if they cannot be installed I will have to buy some thicker mittens. Paul do you have any opinions on the ARMORSkids shoes...I'm thinking about the HD skid models...I have a gravel stone / tar driveway and a larger grass area to clear out..
If you have a soft gravel driveway armorskids can help. Myself, I like the optional Toro poly skids. homedepot.sjv.io/xkox.
Todays new snow blowers like this Toro and the Ariens are designed differently and don't have all the front weight that older snow blowers had. Because of that they don't dig in and tear up the turf or gravel near as much. I leave my grass long in the winter (3.5-4 inches) and I never have traction issues clearing a spot for the dogs.
Thanks for reply...I will look into the Toro poly skids....Overall I think I will try the new blower out first and see how it does..
Hi Paul. Great video! I just picked up a 928. I'm really excited to try it out but I have an issue. The impeller seems to be grinding against the two bolts attaching the rod that holds up snow shoot gear box. How much back and forth play should the impeller have on the impeller/auger shaft?
I don't know how much clearance it should have but that's not right. I would check with the dealer and he'll probably want to look at it to make to see if the bearing for the impeller/housing is mounted correctly.
@@PaulSikkema thanks so much for the reply! You were correct. One of the blades on the impeller was defective and welded at to much of an angle. They are ordering the part and should be good to go!
So Paul, Have you got a chance to use the 2018 928 Max HD this week after some more snow? I have a older Power Max 8 series and I need more power for the winters in Maine, still trying to decide between the 928 or 1028. Wish I could test drive the power steering. Seems you like the power steering more. I like the Ariens SHO ae well, but I love the single chute setup of the Toro's. So easy to use. Any more insight you can share would be appreciated. Thanks for your great reviews!
I got NO SNOW up here in Wisconsin!!!! Personally, I think you need as much power as you can get in Maine. So I suggest the 1028.
@@PaulSikkema OK, That's where I was leaning, especially after the heavy wet snow we got last night. I was blowing heavy slush this morning! 2 storms in the last couple of weeks! Toro dealer just got in some of the 928 and 1028 models, so I better move fast!
Hey I bought the 928 yesterday.
I ran it a little and when I shift it to 6 for walking it goes real slow. I mean real slow,I talked to a guy at work who has the same one and he said he can barely keep up with his.
Just wondering what was up.
If the neutral is in the wrong place and the reverse is a lot faster than your neighbors then It sounds like the shift rod between the handle and the transmission case may need adjustment.
If not, contact your dealer and have them take a look at it.
@@PaulSikkema Yes I believe your right. Thank you very much. And the video was great
I'm looking at buying a new Toro style blower in a next week I watch both your videos and I'm impressed with their design..
I enjoy your detail snowblower videos! My 22 year old MTD 10-26 is still going strong, but will one day be replace with either the Ariens or Toro. I like the 4 way shute control of the Toro but notice the Toro uses a single auger belt instead of a double belt system. The belt Toro uses doe looks pretty strong and might not be factor when comparing it to the double belt auger system. Do you have any thoughts on the belt systems used between the 2 brands. Thank you! MikeS
Toro uses twin belts on the 1232, 1428 and 1432. That said the belt on the 928 and 1028 are a lot stronger than the belts on other brands. I never hear of anyone breaking a belt from over loading it.
@@PaulSikkema Thank you sir! That is good to know your opinion on the belts used. Thank you!
Great video. In the video you speak about both Toro and Ariens snow blowers. Are they made by the same company? If so which company is the parent company?
I'm sorry - I'll clarify, Toro and Ariens are two different manufactures. Both make the heavy-duty snow blowers. Ariens is just as popular as Toro. Ariens was the first to use the auto-steer and many people want to know how this one is different - if it is.
I just bought one of these and it is way too fast in first gear. Can I adjust this somehow or is that normal?
Look under the dash at the control rod that goes between the shifter and the transmission down below. There is a spot where you can lengthen or shorten that rod. Adjusting it will change the speed. Just keep in mind adjusting the rod also changes the neutral position and the top forward and reverse speeds. You'll have to play with that adjustment to get the speed you want in first gear and still have the neutral slot in the right position.
@@PaulSikkema That did the trick. Thanks!
thank you paul that was a great video
About 4 minutes and 25 seconds into a video you talk about the tensioner And how does a 16-in of a gap between the tensioner and the frame. Talking about if everything is adjusted properly.
You said check it after 2 hours. But you never talk about how to fix it if it's not a 16th of an inch If it is touching the frame?
Looking at your video it appears the belt pulley attached to the tensioner has moved in the slot it is bolted into. Loosen that pulley and then slide it all the way closer to the belt. That should get everything back into alignment for you.
@@PaulSikkema thank you for the help!! but I'm confused as to where this bolt is you're referring to so I can move the pulley.
You're not talking about the bolt that's actually on the tensioner correct?.
One thing I noticed opening this machine up to expose the belts and the transmission It looks a little different setup than the ones you have shown on your videos.
They even got rid of the chain in the transmission switching to an oversized auto steer combination gear that turns everything.
I wish I knew what bolt You are mentioning.
Also is that going to fix the tensioner banging up against the frame when I let go of the auger lever or is that normal? Because there is no gap..
It's the bolt that the attaches the pulley to the arm. The arm should have a slot. Loosen the bolt and push it all the way in the slot towards the belt. Tighten the bolt.
Thank you for the video. By the way, do you live close to Cleveland ? I'd love you to take a look at my 828 xle that I've have since 2012. 😄
No, I currently live in Clinton, IA. I remember an 8268 LXE. It had the one piece frame.
need to buy a new unit straight away. I live in northern NJ. would like your thoughts between the 3 stage and a 2 stage. also best 28" unit to buy. thank you in advance for your reply.
Hi Joseph, The Toro 928 or Ariens Deluxe 28 SHO are good snow blowers for your area. I talk about them and answer the 3X question in this article here: movingsnow.com/2017/twenty-best-snow-blowers-september-2017-snow-blower-best/
@@PaulSikkema decided on the Toro Power Max HD 928 OAE 28 in. 265 cc Two-Stage Electric Start Gas Snow Blower. Like the construction and impeller and auger 14" size. thanks for the imput
I bought the 928. I think the one he is showing is a 2019. steel shoot
Nice video
As always a great vid that really gets into the nuts and bolts of the beast. Great advice on how to put the unit in the service position and the precautions to take. I wish local dealers were as concerned about the housing finish when servicing machines. When storing your snow blowers with pneumatic tires for long periods of time, do you put the unit on blocks to relieve stress on the tires? Also what is that skeletonized beam between the friction disc plate and the belt on this Toro?
When I store a snow blower inside I don't block up the tires but if I have to store one outside in the summer I'll make sure the tires are sitting out of the dirt. Blocks of wood, on a paver, etc.
The belt at the bottom of the picture is the auger/impeller belt. The piece above it is the carrier for the friction disk. That piece rocks towards the friction tire when you engage the drive handle.
Paul Sikkema Thanks for the response. Regarding the blocks for outside that makes sense. I garage mine or store in a shed and never put the machine on blocks to keep tires off floor as recommended in the manual for long-term storage. That is one beefy beam on this Toro. These New Toro Powermax HD’s seem to be built like tanks. It is nice to see that they stepped up the construction heft, though I’m sure the heavy use of polymers on the previous units performed fine. However as a consumer I like the substantial build quality. I think these new models will compete very well against Ariens. The potential Ariens customer can no longer say I don’t like the Toro units because they use too much plastic/polymers. All the best and please keep these great vids coming.
Awesome video - I’m deciding between the 1028 and the husqvarna ST230P. Is one better than the other in your opinion?
Hi Scott, The ST230P is a light/medium duty snow blower. The Toro Power Max HD 1028 is a heavy duty snow blower. To get a Husqvarna that comes close to the 1028 you would have to buy the ST330P. What's the difference?
The ST230P uses a 12 inch impeller - the 1028 uses a 14 inch impeller. Capacity-wise the 1028 will have considerably more capacity and will throw the snow farther than the ST230P. The ST230P uses "standard" v-belts and it has a habit of breaking the impeller belt in heavy/wet snow. The 1028 uses a "horsepower" impeller belt that's much stronger and usually lasts many years before it wears out. The ST230P uses plastic parts in the dash/controls that tend to break more often than the heavier poly/metal parts in the dash of the 1028. Specifically the One-hand operation interlock on the 200 series Husqvarna like to break or wear out quickly.
If you live in an area south of Interstate 80 the ST230P will do the job but if you live in an area that gets 80-200 inches a year or gets wet/heavy snow like Boston, Upstate New York, Upper Michigan Minneapolis, etc., the 1028 is a much better choice.
You do get what you pay for with snow blowers and in this case the extra $400 you'll spend on the 1028 gives you a much heavier duty machine. Check out more on the 1028 here: homedepot.sjv.io/5kkMD
@@PaulSikkema , i like your web site and now i am looking at your youtube - looking good. Your recent link for the 1028 at homedepot gives me an error of "The link you clicked on is malformed. Contact the editor of the originating page."
Thank you Sir for the video, I like both the Toro and Ariens. My biggest concern is with the auto turn since I have a 120' gravel driveway. I know you said they fix their issues, but wouldn't be catching and constantly pulling or disengaging one of the wheel if I'm on gravel?
Hi Robin's Nest, My second drive is 250 feet and part gravel, part, grass and part dirt. Part of it has a 10 inch slope across the 8 foot wide drive. I can easily handle an Ariens on this driveway and in fact the AutoTurn makes the snow blower easier to control than the Troy-Bilt Arctic Storm I have here that uses trigger steering. The secret to the Ariens not pulling you around is how well it's balanced. Unlike most trigger steers, for example the Husvarna ST327P it has no front end weight to catch on the uneven surface and try to pull you around. Even though the front end is very light - the design of the auger housing keeps the front on the ground. It won't ride up like some other brands (If it does you have a broken shear pin)
I expect this new Toro to act the same way as the new Ariens. If you are really concerned about the autosteer the Toro 1028 uses triggers to steer.
Or when you flip it on its nose you can take the gas cap off and put a plastic bag on the gas cap and titan the cap back down on the bag and then you wont have to drain the gas or run it out of gas
Gears are what looks like 50% GF nylon, and in the setup even if they do break at some point, replacement looks like a piece of cake
The gears are metal
@@PaulSikkema I mean the chute gears
My name is Jorma I run small lawn and snow removal. I use a toro power max 724 oe
So what parts get fluid film?
None, but if you MUST use it be very careful so you don't get it on the friction wheel and friction disk. Getting any overspray on those parts will cause the transmission to slip. In fact, don't spray it. Put it on a rag and wipe it on the parts you want to protect.
Look inside an ariens
Please go to my main channel page: th-cam.com/users/paulsikkema. I have "look inside" videos there for the Deluxe, Platinum and Pro models.
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The 1 bad thing about a lot of snowblowers0
They don't have grease fittings on the auger shafts. T!at can't be a good thing.
Those bolts in the auger shaft on Toros are not shear pins. They are not designed to break. Instead the auger belt slips if something gets stuck in the machine.
Oh thanks for the video I’m still confused here’s what I have I have the newest model for 1030 HD 307 cc 2020 it’s supposed to have trigger less power steering but I can’t figure out how that works I couldn’t find anything in writing or a video or if you have any input I would greatly appreciate it thank you.
If you don't have steering triggers under the handles and you have a red metal chute you have the latest model.
As far as you, the operator is concerned the "power steering" works just like you car. In other words, grab the handles, turn the unit and it just goes where you point the snow blower.
The automatic steering is actually an automatic locking differential. When you are in gear, going forward, both wheel have power to them to give you all the traction. When you turn the inside wheel automatically unlocks so you can turn the snow blower easily. (With a trigger steer machine when you want to turn you have to pull a trigger under the handle to unlock the axle.)
Starting at minute 11:00 in this video I explain the component that makes this all work (behind the scenes) for you.
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Ariens Guts modified. Go figure!
Copying a design is the sincerest form of flattery. DR Power even added dual impeller belts on their Chinese made snowblowers.