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Argentina: "The British will probably just have to accept our invasion, it would be ridiculous to send troops that far away for a rock with barely anything on it." Britain: *laughs in Thatcher*
That idea wasn't quite as stupid given that other inlands the UK did gave up without a fight under the previous government thou those didn't have any population on it....
Argentines: "Come on, they won't sail over 13 thousand kilometers just to reclaim some useless tiny scraps of land in the middle of the ocean, we can just take the Malvinas." British: *Teleports behind you*
@@PilotTed Not really. Most of the soldiers deployed in the island was from the north of Argentina . All of the south army remain in positions in case of chilenian invasion. EDIT: And dont forget the crappy logistics of Argentina.
@@Va47i fun fact: many Argentines thought they were sending supplies (basic thing like canned food, sheets or chocolate) to the soldiers at the front, but in reality those supplies disappeared and the members of the military junta distributed them among themselves
"The comment section will be fun to read." As an Argentinian, I cannot stress how much I do love the unbiased way this video tackled this conflict. I'm used to see Spanish speaking videos be biased towards the Argentinian side and English speaking ones beign biased towards the British. But this one did make a very good job portraying the background of both sides.
I do wish he had mentioned what the argentine's actually did on the island, because they did some less then savory thing towards the local population. And it feels a bit odd to only mention the British's warcrime of sinking the ship, while ignoring the argentine warcrimes, which are directly relevant to the conflict.
@@rhysgoodman7628 Trade contracts are always hard to break. There are still contracts with Russia that are impossible to break, for example. Sorry but that's just how the world works. Otherwise it was over 200 years since Sweden had soldiers in a battle war. United nations still use Swedish soldiers in warzones. But they don't shoot unless they are shot at. Just peacekeeping forces.
From what i heard Vulcan already decommissioned. They even fix it with parts that came from junkyard and some crucial part already used as an ashtray...
@@evangelineirene6994 Vulcan 607 by Rowland White is a good book on the subject, and yes, one of the parts for the air to air refuelling system on one of the aircraft was in use as an ashtray before being put back into service.
Argentina: The British couldn't possibly recapture these islands all the way here! Britain: _HOLD MY TEA_ *[BASS BOOSTED RULE BRITANNIA PLAYS LOUDLY IN THE DISTANCE]*
Argentinian Soldier 1: “Wow that sea bird is big.” Argentinian Soldier 2: “Yeah, what is that? An Albatross?” *Avro Vulcan XM607: TARGET RUNWAY ACQUIRED!*
6th generation Falkland Islander here, utterly loved this song when I came across it, and a big fan of yours since! My local history is something I've been aiming to try and spread more, as a fair bit more happened around the Islands aside from '82. -The biggest was the action against the East Asia Squadron, of which the flagship (SMS Scharnhorst) has recently been rediscovered. When looking into ww1, this battle almost seems entirely overlooked, I only understood anything about it at the 100th anniversary event, which up to then I thought was just a general ww1 memorial, rather than something about a specific battle. As I'm in University doing Animation and such, I've been doing my best to learn how to replicate the ships involved and, as a bit of a pipe-dream, do something akin to the Bismarck music video. - There was even stuff going on around ww2, with HMS Ajax being stationed there until being called out to hunt the Admiral Graf Spee, HMS Cumberland was in Stanley to refit and thus couldn't join her. After that battle, HMS Exeter pulled in to repair before heading back to England, using metal salvaged from the SS Great Britain (Which could be sung about in itself given the recovery effort). I look forward to what you guys produce in future, keep up the fantastic work!
I learned of that battle recently, the german fleet clashed with the british detachment in the coast of Coronel in Chile, they sunk two british heavy cruisers and dispersed the rest of the fleet (apparently the first naval defeat of the royal navy since 1741), but instead of pressing the advantage the german admiral delayed his attack on the Falklands for 18 days, giving time for the british reinforcement to arribe, then they lost the battle at the Falklands and only the SMS Dresden manage to survive the battle and scape from the british ships until march of 1915, when they found it trying to get repairs and supplies in Juan Fernandez, were the ship still rest underwater. There are a lot of cool stories from those early days of WWI
Hi mate! I'm Argentinean, if you want to remain British NO ONE should try to kick you out of your home. I hope our politicians put their energy in making our country better and not trying to fuck others. Cheers mate
@@FranzFridl THIS is what we want to hear. Better fix your country because of what I heard that SA is in fucked up economically. Stay safe and God bless mate! Love fr. The Spanish Asians (Philippines)
@@ArayaPancho there's a lot of that sort of thing that sort of gets pushed to the way-side these days, unless you know what you're looking for and where to find it.
My mother was working in Boston as a US Navy officer recruiter when the Falklands War started. She knew an Argentinan-American officer who told her his abuelo told him to "come home and fight for La Patria" and he had to let him down gently. The General Belgrano is interesting. It was actually a US-built WWII-era Brooklyn-class light cruiser, originally USS Phoenix. It was present at Pearl Harbor and served extensively in the Pacific War. The official war zone was actually meant as a warning to third parties that the Brits couldn't guarantee the safety of noncombatants if they got too close to the islands, but Belgrano was very definitely a combatant and therefore a legitimate military target no matter where it was.
StarSword C I’ve heard the mission of the Belgrano was to bombard british surface vessels with its longer range guns, but a british sub stopped this by torpedoing her, and a fun fact, that torpedo was a type, which was used extensively in ww2
Even the Capitan of the Belgrano (who apparently didn't go down with his ship) claimed it was a lawful engagement for the same reasons you said above. The whole thing was just some politicians trying to stir up hatred.
@@willis32 there really isn't any valid argument that the engagement was unlawful. Their main argument is that the engagement was unlawful since the Belgrano was outside of the "warzone radius" but by that logic the Bismarck for example was unlawfully sunk, which it wasn't
i'm doing a presentation about the argentinian dictatorship for my spanish class, my teacher is very pro-argentinian. so i did a long part about how the british deserved to win that part and how the falklands are british territory because the inhabitants want it to be british (and i call the islands the falklands and not las malvinas in the presentation, it's gonna be fun) (i'll update this comment on the 26 of march to tell how it went) (another update: thanks for the support everyone ! i know it will end badly but i have to do it for the internet now lmao) (last edit:sadly i was hoping to be able to do that presentation even with the quarantine but it was definitly canceled because of the coronavirus, thanks to all of you for your support tho it was cool)
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My next door Neighbour, known him basically all my life, he fought in the Falklands, was trained as a medic there, and ever since he’s been a paramedic to this DAY, he’s still serving his country and the people in it. (My parents moved into this house when I was 2, back in 2002, and my family’ve been close to him and his ever since), he’s always been one hell of a role model to me.
petit poney du 77 he’s actually not as old as you’d think or anything. The guy’s an absolute mad lad, and not slowing down any time soon. Pretty sure he was quite young during the war. 20’s I reckon. But when he needs it I shall be there
We're the same age, and fighters on both sides have become an example to follow. I'm from Chubut (most cities here were Welsh settlements) and we've got veterans come to talk to our schools almost every year. They were young, under equipped and practically sent as cannon fodder for the dictatorship to gain political power. Both sides deserve respect and honor, so say hi to your neighbor for me ❤️
I learned more watching this video than going to school for 12 years and sat down in front to a teacher that her class was "Falklands bad, Malvinas good"
I'm Argentine and I have the need to excuse our country for this, I know this isn't a popular opinion in my country but supporting a war promoted by a military junta against people who didn't even want to be part of our country in barbaric. I hope one day our countries can forget and forgive.
La Guerra en si fue una excusa para mantenerse a flote. Quien ganase se mantendría en el poder unos años más. Tanto la Junta Militar como Thatcher eran bastante impopulares en esa época. Solo usaron las Malvinas como un tablero para hacerse ver mejores ante el público. De haber ganado Argentina la guerra, la Junta Militar hubiese durado unos cuantos años, posiblemente llegado a los '90.
Sea dicho de paso, las personas viviendo en las Islas ya perdonaron. Es más, son considerados británicos y pueden ser visitados por sus parientes argentinos. Asi que en cierta forma, todo esta en el pasado. CASI.
As a Briton, I’ve no grudge against anyone from Argentina; except for the Junta who forced the war between our two countries. Let’s let those who live on the Falkland Islands decide which country they want to be a part of. Until then; let bygones be bygones. Mate you don’t need to apologise for anything. 😊 🇬🇧🇫🇰🇦🇷☮️
@@jamesoakley4570 It's almost like USA with the Vietnam War. They don't remember the part where they lost it, only that they fought it. Similar thing happens to us.
In form Argentina, my father fought in the war and I can tell you my friend, this war was the last thing anyone in the population want it, they were send to hell to "take it back". The nationalism was at is pick everyone was giving away their jewels and stuff to raise money for the soldiers. Yes we where in disadvantage, people freezing, starving. Everything that was raise the junta keep it and sold it to other country. I know this for my parents. For us is a black spot in our history. The kids that die are not heroes, they are victims, Martyrs of the blind government and people that defend the war in 1982. The blood still flows in our memory. I'm not blaming the British, I'm blaming the government that send the kids and men of 16 year up to 50 to the slaughterhouse that was the Falklands.
The fuckers stole everything, they left the kids cold and hungry at the islands. A veteral went to my school many years ago and when he was captured he got a better treatment from the Brits than from his officers.
I've heard from a Argentinian woman (I'm Argentinian) that her mother was in a knitting club back in those days and they were brought yarn to knit the soldiers sweaters to endure the weather. She said it was the worst yarn that you can think of. It wouldn't keep you warm and it was really itchy.
Perhaps you should thank us. We actually gave you guys what you needed, you wouldn’t have risen up and brought down that awful dictatorship if we haven’t gone to war to reclaim the Falklands from them. And perhaps you’d be under a dictatorship even to this day, of course that Argentinian governments haven’t improved very much, but nonetheless, you can see how bad the president of Argentina is by how many mentions of the Falklands he makes, for instance Christina Kirchner.
"I'm not allowed to say how many planes joined the raid, but I counted them all out and I counted them all back. Their pilots were unhurt, cheerful and jubilant, giving thumbs up signs."- Brian Hanrahan on the British Sea Harriers
I think Argentina's claim is weak at best. It is entirely based on an old Spanish claim during the colonial era. As many of you may know the Spanish claimed a majority of the Americas as their own. But it was the British who actually colonized the previously uninhabited islands. Now if Argentina had managed to win the Falklands war (honestly an unlikely scenario) then I would say they earned it through right of conquest. In my opinion, the only two factors that matter when it comes to territory are what do the people invested in that region want and are the owners of that territory able to defend and control it.
my dudes.. that different audio volume (and source) of Indy's voice over the historical clips is grinding my gears.. but nice story (and music, of course)!
@@SabatonHistory no prob at all.))) btw. interresting fact i read somewhere: soldiers injured in Falkland war had a statistically higher survival chance of the injury they suffered, mainly because of that hellish cold weather - their metabolism slowed down and their comrades had more time to get them from battlefield to field hospitals..
@@marekschwarzmann1638 I have a very hard time to think that. In cold weather you bleed out faster. The medics was probebly superb, its was Para and commandos and that kind of unit normaly have better educated CLS due to the distance from surgery they are trained to figth from.
@@heinzg6375 better medical support - agree.. with the rest I respectfully disagree - cold slows body metabolism - even now doctors are putting people "on ice" to buy time to operate, so it makes sense more.. i am still searching for the source of my info...
My father told me about this. He met a man who fought in this war. A SAS who lost his best friend there. Told him that it messed him up big time. I had learned of this after I heard of this song. When you hear something like that, you look to things in a different light. Same with the song. Yes, the British won but it did cost them men. No matter how small the number was. For me, you learn that this wasn't so far away. It wasn't that long ago.
Sadly most Argentinians don't realize that as the political propaganda has been going strong since forever. However just by looking documentaries you can easily learn both sides view. Argentinian soldiers froze and starved to death as they defended their camps with rifle and knife against the SAS and the feared Gurkas. We must admit that the war was brutal on both sides and It surely left its marks on the people that fought the war. Here in Argentina most of our veterans cant even hear the sound of a helicopter or a firework without throwing themselves to the ground in panic.
@@martinsozola8526 That is rough. But it is sad that it is used propaganda. Even after forty years but that doesn't change much. But for those veterans, from what my dad told me, that SAS that lost his friend there, he isn't getting sleep either. A messy thing on politics when soldiers get involved.
Now this is a touchy topic. I am argentine, for the most part I agree with self-determination of the islanders. Even if the inhabitants did not origin in those islands, several generations have passed already, that cannot be factored out. Argentina has never had several generations of citizens born on those islands, and never actually made a serious attempt to gain control over the islands back in the day and just allowed the british to do it. It's fair to point out, however, that nations in general will change their stance towards self-determination or territorial integrity when it suits their interests, and may endorse or disregard those principles depending on the particular case (and both Argentina and Britain are guilty of this, regarding different issues). As it was mentioned, back in the day, recapturing the islands was a way for the argentine military government to attempt to distract the populace from inner problems using an outer enemy. Just a couple of years before, the Beagle Conflict took place with Chile, over a couple of even more irrelevant and unknown islands. The truth is, in Argentina this conflict is seen as a matter of national pride, a continuation of the old the conflict between european powers and the new world ex-colonies striving to make room for themselves in the world. Especially now, that hundreds of men have died directly or indirectly due to the war. All in all, I see the Falklands/Malvinas war as a conflict that should not have happened. Personally I do not harbor ill feelings towards the british people over it, however you will find plenty argentines who do. All I see is a conflict that led to loss of life, caused by unscrupulous men who saw in war a means to run away from the problems they had created in our country.
I can agree with you in that regard mate. Ultimately both the Junta and Thatcher saw the potential for a 'sucessfull war' to bolster their grip on power. Technically the whole british expedition probably wasted more time, lives and money than the Islands themselves were possibly worth. Geographically and historically the claim of the Argentinians made sense. However one cant disregard the Islanders right to self-determination.
Disappointed that the Vulcan strike wasn't mentioned, especially as the lyrics include "Harriers and Vulcan strikes at our command" One of the coolest and most daring bombing raids since WWII. Largely political again, but still, worth mentioning I think! 🤘😁🤘
Tacticaly it did not achieve anything, however strategically - it scared the hell out of Argentinians that British managed to get a nuclear bomber not only over islands, but they could get it over Argentina. And Vulcans were to be decomissioned anyway so it was not a waste. And it did actually managed to hit the runway, putting it out of commision for "fast jets" (akka fighter bombers) Supply craft could just land on the green next to it. (there is some who however argue that the cost of Victor tankers frame lifetime was not worth it...)
Paerigos it may not have achieved much but it opened up a load of new possibilities for the RAF, now that they could get nuclear bombs pretty much anywhere in the world just in case
@@fin4204 Given that like month after Falklands the Vulcans were decomissioned and any such bombing would have to be done trough use of the Valiants which still served but were not as good...
@Random1234 But the point was to deny use of the airfield to any fast jets capable of mounting a serious threat to the fleet at sea, which it achieved. It also scared the crap out of the Junta as it showed them that Argentina itself was within reach, at least theoretically. So they had to hold back a lot of forces to protect themselves. For a pretty much useless raid, that seems kind of successful to me.
The residents of the Falklands identify overwhelmingly as British and the islands also dont have an "indigenous" population so I think its pretty clear who has the right to claim that land.
Yeah I'd agree. Because if Argentinia owns the Island, they would own an Island full of british people that dont even know spanish... It doesnt really matter if Spain used to own the island, if there are no spaniards on it that could have Argentinian Nationalism.
@Michael Hicks In the End, the people didnt wanna be part of Argentinia. So in my view theres no way to justify ANYONES claim except the one of those who live there.
If Italy, for example, occupies an Indian Island, in the other side of the world, and colonizes it with its citizens, is it theirs? Is it their right to be there just because the inhabitants want to be Italians? Or should it return to India, which was the territory to which it was linked in the first place( and the logical choice by geographic reasons)
@@MiguelGarcia-si8qi Well, I'd say people make Countries. Lots of Colonies, including Argentinia itself, have declared themself independent of their original owners by own choice. Therefore Argentinia should respect if others choose to not do that, because the Falkland people too made a choice.
@@MiguelGarcia-si8qi if Italy did it over a hundred years ago, and the current inhabitants had been there for generations and made up most if not all the population. Especially if no inhabitants lived there original, and the ancestors arrived before the current country contesting it existed. Then yes they should belong to Italy.
The problem with Catalonia it's that it's suped divide some people want teams in in Spain and some people want independence, and the last Refefendum doesn't count, because there is a duck ton of evidencia that it was rigged, they let people vote more than once and shit like that
@@ComradePhoenix I mean, you do realize that the inhabitants of the islands are descended from the colonists that indeed illegally ocuppied the islands. It doesn't matter that they want to be British, by international law and by moral, ethical and logical standpoints, they should belong to the argentine people. Albeit not by war but by international law, of course
This war showed that smaller but intensively trained professional forces are superior over bigger army consisted of conscripts. Only really effective Argentinian forces were Air Forces. Again fully professional.
Yup, also the fiercest argentine Unit in the islands was the BIM, who where marines, most of them where professional soldiers, and fought until the last day of war....they even wanted to keep on fighting despite of the surrender....they where the last unit to surrender, and entered Pt. Stanley (A.K.A By war times Puerto Argentino) in a form of parade and with their weapons
Britain: *Playing politics at home, minding its own business* Argentina: "Hey Britain, can I borrow this toy?" Britain: "No, that's mine, stay away from it" Argentina: *Takes it anyway to improve its game of politics* Britain: "No."
@@jacobdewey2053 Thats not true, france, britain, spain, argentina, and the us had control over the islands even before 1900. The thing is that britain kick the ass of argentina 2 times for the islands ya know, that's more important i think. And in any case the falklanders want to be british and britain wants them.
Something you're missing is the Junta also planned to invade contested territory in Chile, but they knew Chile would fight back. On the other hand they thought it was highly unlikely that a diminished Britain would dare or care to do so. What they didn't count on is they messed with the wrong Prime Minister. Maybe if they had done so five years earlier or ten years later they'd have been right. I was in Britain when the task force came back, and it was a great welcome!
The most striking thing for me is the rational and civilised nature of the dialogue that has followed this video of a sensitive topic. A rare thing on TH-cam! Sabaton folk really are a decent bunch!
I think is worth mentioning that those Argentines pilots that was flying their old aircrafts almost at sea level to avoid radar detection.. had balls of steel
An interesting fact about the Falklands War is that the first strike by the brittish in retaking the Falklands was one of the longest bomber missions ever flown and the only time a brittish Vulcan bomber dropped bombs in anger.
They were a great plane that really only existed as a deterrent for most of their life. It's a pity 558 is no longer flying now. Was great while it lasted but so sad it's been grounded again. Closest I'll ever come to hearing something like it was seeing and hearing a B1.
a failed mission. 0 kills and the airfield kept working till the end of the war, the argies even dropped sand over one of the bomb cratter to make it look bigger for the british satellites...
@@lauxtilldeath Not really, it had the effect of keeping most of the Argentinian air defenses back to protect the mainland (what if the bomber slipped through and hit Argentina?). The practical damaging effect can only tell so much.
Thanks for making this video guys my uncle was master at arms on board the aircraft carrier HMS Hermes during the war. He'd previously served on HMS Sheffield which was sunk during the war.
Not really. The Falklands were not invaded and a local population was not oppressed. They're just a small British settlement with a small population who choose to remain British. They were illegally invaded by a Argentina (a foreign nation) who had no legal justification to invade, oppress the local population and cause the deaths of nearly 1000 people.
@@w-james9277 Dude, this is not Cyprus. And also, check your history books. The islands were discovered by Spanish adventurer around 1500. After that, they were part of the Spanish colony in America, later the vikingdom of Peru, and after the River Plate vikingdom (I really don't know how it's pronounce in English). They were actually invaded by Britain by 1980 (not the first English Invasion in pur country, those dated all the way to early 1800 up until last years of the previous century). The Falklands War is actually the only major victory and so far the only territory ever retained by British government. They are now considered a British colony since the inhabitants no longer want to be part of argentinian territory (no one can't blame them, honestly).
@@Death_Korps_Officer I have mate. In the 1700's they were contested Spain, Britain and France. All three nations withdrew as it was simply not worth fighting over. In the late 1800's british settlers arrived with no complaints from France or Spain and were established as a British colony a few months later with again, no complaints from any other nation.
I'm from Argentina, so I just wanted to say thank you for keeping it fair. I know Sabaton doesn't glorify war and that Indy always sticks to the facts, but thanks. It'd be really interesting to see (hear?) a song written from the other side. As I replied to someone else, I'd prefer if it were about the military junta and the disappeared, but that's just my take. In any case, keep up the great work, people!
They said they took the islands in 1833 from Spain... dude. They took them in 1833 from Argentinian born there living there. Just in case, the May Revolution was in 1810, not 1833. Say whatever about the criminals of the Junta, I'm with you, but they didn't come up with this. Argentina's claim comes from Manuel de Rosas times
@@Atoqwaman Man, I know this didn't start with the Junta, and there are tons of reasons why I think the Islands should be part of Argentina. My point's that the channel could've made this a "third world country decides to start a war with a potency and lost" kind of video but they didn't. I just wanted to thank them for keeping it as neutral as possible. On my end, I respect the desire of the people living there, whatever it is. I just want to have the best relationship possible with them, we're neighbors after all. Hopefully, they'll come around and think it's better to be part of the country that's next to them, instead of one that's far away, but that's up to our government making this country work and, of course, the people living on the Islands. And (just nit-picking here, but), as far as I know, what really matters is the Declaration of Independence, which was in 1816. Cheers from Buenos Aires!
@@romulansith Basically, people who the junta kidnapped, tortured, killed and got rid of the bodies for being "against the government". Here's the Wikipedia article, if you want to learn more: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War
someone is stealing something from you and has more powerful guns and attacks you... You fight. Even if you know you will lose. That is called honor. Something pirates don't know.
A friend of the family was a sailor aboard HMS Sheffield at the time it sank. It’s quite tragic as he suffers absolutely horrific PTSD from the event. But he is willing to talk about his actions during that time, and he’s a very interesting person.
I'm British and I really don't mind who the Falkland Islands belong to. But if the people living in the Falklands want to be British they have every right to be. They shouldn't have to be forced into Argentina
"Never in the history of war since 1914, have airmen faced such a terrifying conjunction of deadly obstacles. Not even the RAF in 1940 over London, or the Luftwaffe in 1945. Your courage has awed not only the Argentine people, but we are many in the world who are proud of you being our brother pilots." - Pierre Clostermann just in case you need material for a song ;)
Coming from a military family In Argentina where most of my father's friends were in the airforce and bombed the shit out of the British navy I must admit that the people in the islands decided to keep being part of Britain and that should be respected. In the other hand it should also be known that our airforce and infantry did the best they could under such a piece of shit power. Even tho our airforce was outdated we had our best pilots on those days and their tales are amazing to hear. Those pilots now are trying to train a new airforce even more outdated than before. Our infantry soldiers in the other hand where normal people picked up from their jobs by the draft. They starved and froze to death in their fox holes yet they kept fighting even with their own knives against highly skilled commandos and the very feared Gurkas. They will always be remembered as heroes and victims of one of our worst times in history. QDEP soldados desconocidos y reconocidos heroes de Malvinas (RIP unknown soldiers and known heroes of the Falklands)
martins ozola the Gurkhas didn’t do a whole lot of fighting and they were well pissed off when the Argentine forces surrendered cause they couldn’t fight!
Pay no mind to the Argentineans that are angry about the song, you know we are thousands more who would gladly sing along with you at any show you make here! Now, as an Argentinean, I have no problem saying that this war was a mistake and its to be blamed on Argentina. I had the pleasure to meet a British Ex-Officer who served in the war and he only said good things about the "Argies" he fought (I think he didn't want to try and start to argue, maybe). A lot of veterans also speak with a lot of respect about the other side. It was a political move, but the people that fought it acted as gentlemanly as they could. PS: It is also the only conflict where the FN FAL and the SLR (British FAL redesign to be built with the imperial unit system) face one another and I'm a bit let down you didn't talk about the Pucara plane!
Argentina: Britain is on its way out, they can’t possibly take all this effort to take three small islands back. Britain: YOU DON’T FUCK WITH THE IRON MAIDEN!
No mention of the fact that two-thirds of the Argentinian ground troops were conscripts, with no choice about being there, little training, and no combat experience. That may have worked when there were many hundreds of Argentinian soldiers directly threatening the governor's residence against the 80 Royal Marines assigned to defend the grounds, when peace without loss of life was still a hope, but it didn't work in the long run. The eventual Argentinian defence of Port Stanley rested upon dug-in positions held by twice as many troops as were brought to bear by the UK's fast attacking strategy. Historically, a dug-in defensive force is considered to have a 3-to-1 advantage over any attackers, yet the British troops defeated them by attacking at night. There was British air superiority at this time, and some artillery support, but that effect was limited because of concerns over where the Falkland Islander civilians might have been kept, as well as it being nighttime (swings and roundabouts). Ultimately, this battle showed that a professional army with practised tactics, a sound strategic focus and coherent political support beats an army without any of that. (Before anyone thinks to mention it, this says nothing about any professional army's ability to defeat a general insurrection. Professional armies only have the natural advantage when they can tempt or pin opponents to an open yet potentially decisive battle.)
I dont get why this is controversial? Argentina invades British Island, Britain sends forces to take island back. Its like punching someone and then getting mad that he punched back.
@Belagerungsmörser the Sheep No, they didn't. Argentina didn't exist at the time, Britain had a claim going back to the late 1600s, and British settlers were the only people on that island starting in the 1800s.
Anyone else find this episode rather disappointing? No mention of the black buck raids (world's longest bombing runs), skipping over the reclaiming of South Georgia and the South Sandwhich Islands, not enough on the sinking of ships and subs on both sides, no mention of the mine laying done by the Argentinian's which are still there today, no mentions of the hospital ships on both sides caring for ALL casualties, no mention of the planned SAS raids against Argentina and nothing about the battle of wireless ridge (only armoured battle in the war) I know the episode can't go on for hours and hours, but it really felt like a *lot* of detail was missed out here.
Dude by war standards this is Berly the equivalent of a small skirmish, no cities got bombed to dust, no massive casualties, no epic tank battles, the only real thing of note was how bad the Argentinians where when it came to Naval damage control, and how shit that generation of British warships was. Considering they haven't made a song about Enterprise, Montana, Warspite or even the battle off Samar I seriously recommend you be glad they even know of this conflict.
The Falkland Islands were not within the internationally accepted boundaries of Argentina! In fact, they are hundreds of miles outside of those boundaries.
@@alexhaywood3139 of course, argies tried to invade chilean soil some years before, and Galtieri said that after their victory on the Falklands they would take our south. Also the UK was one of our few friends at the time.
You can hear them coming, drinking mate , eating asados and claiming that they truly sunk the invencible and that the sinking of General Belgrano was a war crime. Is sad, but also my family over there is blind, the Argentinian government still uses this as a curtain for their economic and political problems.
@@FernandoSegovia701 weeeelll...they aren't *anymore* They were once part of our territory, geographicaly and politically speaking. And Gen. Belgrano's sinking was during a war, sooo...
@@FernandoSegovia701 It should be known the only reason Belgrano was sunk is due to Britain's claim that only ships that could pose a threat to the Royal Navy would be sunk outside the exclusion zone. Not to disrespect the men who lost their lives on the cruiser, they deserve to be remembered. If you wish a bit more on the loss and the controversy around it, will you please watch this video: th-cam.com/video/NW3R8Vmq01I/w-d-xo.html
If you read the divination correctly from the time period... the belgrano was flirting inside and outside of the zone taunting the British. They shot it within the zone and it sunk outside the zone. No war crime when someone is taunting a military power asking to be attacked for a political ploy
I am British (Scottish) and even work for a military contractor primally in service to the Royal Navy, so it's plain where my perspective lies. However, I would love to see not just Sabaton, but other media outlet and expressions experiment with the Argentinian perspective on this war. Only so much is understood over here about how Argentines felt and continue to feel about this. In 1982, they may have been enemies, but they we not the bad guys, I know it's not a simple as that. A song revolving around the ARA General Belgrano could work very well and that is a genuinely very interesting ship with a very interesting history. Shout out to an Argentine fans out there, our past belongs in the past, and we admire you and your nation. We salute you.
I don't see how this is a controversy. One side owns an island and the people are happy with being part of that country Another side takes it with military force and their justification is "i want it"
As a non-involved party (american) I'm with Indy and the idea of self determinism. The people of that land wanted to remain british and thus I feel the british were in the right to reinforce control over the land.
Americans were involved, you see, i know that the US educational system is bad, but Argentinians are Americans...because they live on the continent called America (shocking, i know). Also, 'murilards helped the British using their satelites and providing intel. They were involved.
America wanted to back the Argentina to enforce the Monroe doctrine, since Argentina was anti-communist and had other countries backing it, but since it was the Cold War they had to stay neutral.
Argentines: port Stanley airfield is ours, the british cannot dare to launch an air attack Avro Vulcan XM607: Its free real estate *OPERATION BLACKBUCK INTENSIFIES*
This morning I found out, that I may have watched too much Sabaton history and their music videos: I turned the TV on and TH-cam recommended me a video with Joakim's face on the thumbnail, and my almost 2-year-old daughter pointed at him and happily announced "Daddy! Other daddy!" I tried explaining, that "No, sweetie, that's not your daddy", but she looked confused. Should I be concerned? Anyone else facing the same issue here? 😂
Self-determination, if exercised, trumps all. If the people there wanted to remain part of Britain, then any action to force them to do otherwise, is a violation.
They had another referendum in 2013 and it was the same result, to remain British. Argentina said they didn't recognise the result because the islands were already theirs. Says a lot about them.
As I understand it, the Argentine claim is that the current population are not "native to the islands", which is quite frankly bullshit, since there was no native population when the Brits discovered the islands, nor was there anyone on the islands when the Brits began permanently inhabiting them.
@@ComradePhoenix the British did not discover the islands, the Dutch were the first to spot them and the French were the first to establish a colony there, then the British arrived, then the French part was thirsty to Spain and the British left the island, when Argentina won its independence in 1816 the islands were part of ARGENTINA and then it was occupied by the British in 1833 and they expelled the population that lived there and implanted English population
My Dad was in the Royal Air Force & I KNOW he served in this war. Anyway, I agree with the self-determination thing. The Falklanders wanted to stay part of the UK & should be allowed that say.
at 6:48 you marked Mount Pleasant Air Force Base on the Map... which was built after the retaking of the Islands... the main Airfield back in 1982 was between Stanley and Cape Pembroke, smaller grass strips where spread out throughout the Islands and the one at Darwin / Goose Green was a major argentine strongpoint attacked by 2 Para early after the Landings
It would have been nice if mention was made about the role of the Gurkhas in the land battles on the islands. Perhaps Sabaton may write a song about the Gurkhas fighting for the British in many of their wars.
as a Scottish socialist who hates Thatcher, the only thing she did that was good was defend the Falklands; The Falklanders wanted to remain British, were descended from British colonists, the island was previously uninhabited and Argentina's only claims are it's nearby and that a pope had split south america in half between Spain and Portugal and that argentina then inherited that claim somehow, which is like America trying to annex the the Rest of Ireland because it used to be controlled by Britain
@Belagerungsmörser the Sheep Britain discovered it, the French fought then for it, the Spanish tried to claim it and failed. If being in the same continental shelf is the claim them that would also apply to quite a lot of South America and has never taken precedence over self determination. The Argentine invasion was entirely saber-rattling from a failure fascist dictatorship.
My view on these situations is simple - listen to the people who live there. The Falklands want to be British, so they're British. Gibraltar wants to be British, so they're British. If they voted to leave us and join someone else (or go it alone for that matter) then we'd support that. When an external power comes in and says "we own this land", that's when we take issue.
Whilst I agree totally with you. What is interesting is a large majority of Gibraltar's population voted to remain in Europe. They do not want to be Spanish but did not want to loose the EU links.
@@archstanton6102 correct the people in Gibraltar did vote to remain in the EU yet they also stated they would rather honour the referendum than split ties with the rest of the united kingdom. Thats why i as a brit wouldnt support any deal with the EU that excludes Gibraltar and why i grow to dislike the EU more on a daily basis.
@Belagerungsmörser the Sheep When Scotland has a referendum that is in favour of Independence by all means, the last one was in 2014 and found 55% of Scots in favour of the union.
Sabaton makes a small mistake, i think. In the chourus: "Orders from the iron maiden, get the islands back". Thatcher were called the iron lady, not iron maiden.
Well, from what I remebmer, first of all, the Argentinian claim over the Falklands is based on the fact that Buenos Aires was the capital city of the Viceroyalty of the River Plate, but when the Argentinians rose against the Spanish, the capital city was moved Montevideo, and that was the last effective capital city of the Viceroyalty of the River Plate, so it could be argumented that the actual right of the islands should be Uruguayan, though it can also be denied since Montevideo was rather a de facto capital city. On other topic, about the sinking of the General Belgrano, which was outside the 200-mile radius; the British actually lifted that radius some days before the sinking of General Belgrano, plus the task of the ship was actually to attack british ships, it wasn't sailing back to base as originally claimed by the argentinians, this was said by the captain of the General Belgrano himself, Hector Bonzo in 2003. So for me, the sinking wasn't a war crime nor anything like that as considered by some argentinians but just another action in a war. That's up to one's opininon though. Keep up the good work, not only in Sabaton History but also in WW2 Week by Week, thanks for doing such things, it's just great. I hope I don't get any angry argentinians in the comments, in the end, they are my neighbours!, greetings from Uruguay!
As far as I see it, the Argentinians had a semblance of a claim prior to the Falklands war. But with the loss of that war they also lose their claim. If the question of ownership was in the air at all. There is no longer any doubt. A population that wishes to be British, the British owning the islands for longer than anyone else and finally the British winning a war fought solely over the ownership of the islands. This means simply that the Falkland islands are British and will only ever be British. Besides, the Argentine military is in such a pathetic and underfunded state currently that they couldn't try to take the islands even if they still had a claim.
My daughter (10 years old, and I) want a song about the Great Emu War (granted, the emus did retain control after their invasion). Or even just reword "Winged Hussars" into a song about the emus! 😀
I wonder if Dioudonne Saive envisioned a war where his rifle, the FAL, would be the official rifle on both sides. Although I have done a couple FAL episodes, I need to tackle a full history of the FAL at some point this year.
Heard it said that many brits took argentinian FALs as the british SLR only had (semi-)automatic fire selectors, while the argentinian FAL could fire in fully automatic.
@@lavrentivs9891 the Australian version was also only semi automatic if memory serves me correctly. However a little bit of ingenuity could make it full automatic with something extremely common and easy to find lol. I've held an FN-FAL and it was so comfortable. One of those guns you raise to your shoulder and your arm comes comfortably around with your hand around the trigger area. Same as I find with Mosin Nagants yet the Lee Enfield with standard stock is just too long and uncomfortable. Definitely not a gun that will end up in my collection.
@@michellemelville8979 Never used it myself sadly, my country went with the G3 (and later switched to the FN FNC in -86), though I'm quite fond of the G3 even if I miss the folding stock of the FNC.
@@lavrentivs9891 I never used it myself but back in the day where the army reserves were promoting themselves they had their training weapons available to handle. I've also been to the Lithgow firearms museum where I got to shoulder one as an adult and fell in love with it.
I'm argentinian and not upset with the song, but I think it would be really Nice another song with argentinian perspective. Our air force was under a clear disadvantage, even our pilots had to fly one meter over the sea for avoiding anti air defences. In ground our forces had equipment in bad conditios, the british had night vision. One of the most famous stories is from a soldier who fight defending his friend taking the rifle of the enemy and then with the knife
@@SabatonHistory I wasn't even thinking that big. I was thinking losing a few more destroyers or frigates and what it would do to public opinion back in Britain. What turned out to be a very beneficial war for Thatcher's popularity, could have been different and ended her political life much sooner.
@@NathansWargames They just bought _some_ of the existing inventory. They told the French something along the lines of _if you sell more of those to the argies we're going to have problems_ . Peru tried to buy more Exocets in lieu of Argentina but intel gathered both from Chile and the British themselves saw that coming from miles away when they discovered someone trying to acquire Exocet missiles with a Peruvian visa.
Since this song is written from the British side of the war, and we know there are other songs wrote in opposite sides, I wonder what song could come out from the argentinian side.
Being Argentinian I would prefer not to hear that. There sure are many military and Rock and Roll songs about it but most Argentinians know all of this war was part of a political show. One done by THE WORST dictatorship we ever had
@@dewolff6937 Actually there is a lot. The retake of the islands, General Belgrano's sinking, our own special troops making a beach landing, the defence of the main island, and finally the consequences of the war.
The dogfights? The Belgrano? The invasion? The way our government (I'm from Argentina) treated the soldiers who fought there after it was over? Personally, I'd prefer one about the junta, but it might be a bit of a stretch.
My Granddad was supposed to be on HMS Sheffield for the war but was absent due to breaking his ribs in a training exercise prior to the deployment. When the Sheffield was sunk, due to the chaos of war, he was listed as missing and my Nan got a telegram saying his status. She surprised the bereavement officer when she answered the door and told him that my Granddad was upstairs fixing a light. Kind of a funny story. Also a shocking loss of life to maintain a status quo.
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"The Empire Strikes Back"
Remo Reyes Prime Minister Vader: “ failure is’nt accepted!”
“GOTCHA!”- The Sun newspaper’s headline after the sinking of the Belgrano, 4th May 1982.
@@jesusisherelookbusy HMS Sheffield
@@romse9547 still lost the war tho
The empire strikes back with a second tsar bomba materialised by our goddess empress herself
Argentina: "The British will probably just have to accept our invasion, it would be ridiculous to send troops that far away for a rock with barely anything on it."
Britain: *laughs in Thatcher*
AlphaMikeOmega oil was only found there recently. But yeeeah Not a chance will the Brits let go of the island now
That idea wasn't quite as stupid given that other inlands the UK did gave up without a fight under the previous government thou those didn't have any population on it....
Argentines: "Come on, they won't sail over 13 thousand kilometers just to reclaim some useless tiny scraps of land in the middle of the ocean, we can just take the Malvinas."
British: *Teleports behind you*
Argentina: Why do I hear boss music and God Save the Queen in the distance?
Argentina: "No one's so crazy..."
Rest of the World: "Have you _met_ the Brits?!"
Rain and colder weather as a battlefield condition? Clearly the British couldn't lose then, as that is their natural habitat.
It is also Argentina's natural habitat
@@PilotTed then add that both sides used the same rifle. and it becomes yet more even.
@@PilotTed Not really. Most of the soldiers deployed in the island was from the north of Argentina . All of the south army remain in positions in case of chilenian invasion.
EDIT: And dont forget the crappy logistics of Argentina.
@@Va47i fun fact: many Argentines thought they were sending supplies (basic thing like canned food, sheets or chocolate) to the soldiers at the front, but in reality those supplies disappeared and the members of the military junta distributed them among themselves
Hardcore facts
"The comment section will be fun to read."
As an Argentinian, I cannot stress how much I do love the unbiased way this video tackled this conflict.
I'm used to see Spanish speaking videos be biased towards the Argentinian side and English speaking ones beign biased towards the British.
But this one did make a very good job portraying the background of both sides.
I do wish he had mentioned what the argentine's actually did on the island, because they did some less then savory thing towards the local population. And it feels a bit odd to only mention the British's warcrime of sinking the ship, while ignoring the argentine warcrimes, which are directly relevant to the conflict.
@@D-ragon-S I find the “neutral Swede” stereotype hilarious. They supplied most of Germany’s iron ore during WW2. 😂
@@rhysgoodman7628 Trade contracts are always hard to break.
There are still contracts with Russia that are impossible to break, for example.
Sorry but that's just how the world works.
Otherwise it was over 200 years since Sweden had soldiers in a battle war.
United nations still use Swedish soldiers in warzones. But they don't shoot unless they are shot at. Just peacekeeping forces.
@@D-ragon-S you forgot Indy right?
@@NeiasaurusCreations Sinking of the Belgrano was absolutely not a war crime
The bomber raids made by the Vulcans was pretty crazy. And an impressive feet of aerial refueling
"I counted them all out and I counted them all back."
From what i heard Vulcan already decommissioned. They even fix it with parts that came from junkyard and some crucial part already used as an ashtray...
@@evangelineirene6994 Vulcan 607 by Rowland White is a good book on the subject, and yes, one of the parts for the air to air refuelling system on one of the aircraft was in use as an ashtray before being put back into service.
@@evangelineirene6994 That's indeed the case. I'd recommend reading Vulcan 607 by Rowland White, it's amazing reading!
I wish the vulcans had done their real purpose and leveled the shitty beunos aries
Argentina: The British couldn't possibly recapture these islands all the way here!
Britain: _HOLD MY TEA_ *[BASS BOOSTED RULE BRITANNIA PLAYS LOUDLY IN THE DISTANCE]*
The 225677th Fragment of the Man-Emperor of Mankind as a British person I can confirm this is exactly what happened
As an argentinian I can confirm this aswell.
With a bunch of ships crashing against the waves with Jets flying over
Argentinian Soldier 1: “Wow that sea bird is big.”
Argentinian Soldier 2: “Yeah, what is that? An Albatross?”
*Avro Vulcan XM607: TARGET RUNWAY ACQUIRED!*
Some say this recording came from the Falklands just before the British reclaimed it: th-cam.com/video/U99hInNRhj0/w-d-xo.html
6th generation Falkland Islander here, utterly loved this song when I came across it, and a big fan of yours since!
My local history is something I've been aiming to try and spread more, as a fair bit more happened around the Islands aside from '82.
-The biggest was the action against the East Asia Squadron, of which the flagship (SMS Scharnhorst) has recently been rediscovered. When looking into ww1, this battle almost seems entirely overlooked, I only understood anything about it at the 100th anniversary event, which up to then I thought was just a general ww1 memorial, rather than something about a specific battle. As I'm in University doing Animation and such, I've been doing my best to learn how to replicate the ships involved and, as a bit of a pipe-dream, do something akin to the Bismarck music video.
- There was even stuff going on around ww2, with HMS Ajax being stationed there until being called out to hunt the Admiral Graf Spee, HMS Cumberland was in Stanley to refit and thus couldn't join her. After that battle, HMS Exeter pulled in to repair before heading back to England, using metal salvaged from the SS Great Britain (Which could be sung about in itself given the recovery effort).
I look forward to what you guys produce in future, keep up the fantastic work!
I learned of that battle recently, the german fleet clashed with the british detachment in the coast of Coronel in Chile, they sunk two british heavy cruisers and dispersed the rest of the fleet (apparently the first naval defeat of the royal navy since 1741), but instead of pressing the advantage the german admiral delayed his attack on the Falklands for 18 days, giving time for the british reinforcement to arribe, then they lost the battle at the Falklands and only the SMS Dresden manage to survive the battle and scape from the british ships until march of 1915, when they found it trying to get repairs and supplies in Juan Fernandez, were the ship still rest underwater. There are a lot of cool stories from those early days of WWI
Hi mate! I'm Argentinean, if you want to remain British NO ONE should try to kick you out of your home. I hope our politicians put their energy in making our country better and not trying to fuck others.
Cheers mate
@@FranzFridl THIS is what we want to hear.
Better fix your country because of what I heard that SA is in fucked up economically. Stay safe and God bless mate!
Love fr. The Spanish Asians (Philippines)
Hi! I'm an Argie, and I legit hope you achieve your goal with your project and to get to see it one day, it sounds really interesting!
@@ArayaPancho there's a lot of that sort of thing that sort of gets pushed to the way-side these days, unless you know what you're looking for and where to find it.
My mother was working in Boston as a US Navy officer recruiter when the Falklands War started. She knew an Argentinan-American officer who told her his abuelo told him to "come home and fight for La Patria" and he had to let him down gently.
The General Belgrano is interesting. It was actually a US-built WWII-era Brooklyn-class light cruiser, originally USS Phoenix. It was present at Pearl Harbor and served extensively in the Pacific War.
The official war zone was actually meant as a warning to third parties that the Brits couldn't guarantee the safety of noncombatants if they got too close to the islands, but Belgrano was very definitely a combatant and therefore a legitimate military target no matter where it was.
I realized instantly it was a WW2 US ship. But I first look at the bridge, and started thinking it's a Baltimore class or a Cleveland class.
StarSword C I’ve heard the mission of the Belgrano was to bombard british surface vessels with its longer range guns, but a british sub stopped this by torpedoing her, and a fun fact, that torpedo was a type, which was used extensively in ww2
@@onelyone6976 yes as the bow breaking torpedoes that the sub was armed with were unreliable
Even the Capitan of the Belgrano (who apparently didn't go down with his ship) claimed it was a lawful engagement for the same reasons you said above. The whole thing was just some politicians trying to stir up hatred.
@@willis32 there really isn't any valid argument that the engagement was unlawful. Their main argument is that the engagement was unlawful since the Belgrano was outside of the "warzone radius" but by that logic the Bismarck for example was unlawfully sunk, which it wasn't
i'm doing a presentation about the argentinian dictatorship for my spanish class, my teacher is very pro-argentinian. so i did a long part about how the british deserved to win that part and how the falklands are british territory because the inhabitants want it to be british (and i call the islands the falklands and not las malvinas in the presentation, it's gonna be fun) (i'll update this comment on the 26 of march to tell how it went) (another update: thanks for the support everyone ! i know it will end badly but i have to do it for the internet now lmao) (last edit:sadly i was hoping to be able to do that presentation even with the quarantine but it was definitly canceled because of the coronavirus, thanks to all of you for your support tho it was cool)
Good luck, tell us how it goes
Good luck passing that presentation.
Tactical dot .
petit poney du 77 I will pray for your grade
I'm at the edge of the seat waiting for your update. I would pay to be in that class to see your teacher's reaction.
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Thank you Shrek, very cool
Hahahahaha, that's the best comment I've ever read in any comment section! 😂
(If it pleases you to know. I’m also Scottish. So can do a good Shrek voice)
My next door Neighbour, known him basically all my life, he fought in the Falklands, was trained as a medic there, and ever since he’s been a paramedic to this DAY, he’s still serving his country and the people in it. (My parents moved into this house when I was 2, back in 2002, and my family’ve been close to him and his ever since), he’s always been one hell of a role model to me.
take good care of him, veterans deserve it
petit poney du 77 he’s actually not as old as you’d think or anything. The guy’s an absolute mad lad, and not slowing down any time soon. Pretty sure he was quite young during the war. 20’s I reckon. But when he needs it I shall be there
God save the Queen
de wolff Rule Britannia!
We're the same age, and fighters on both sides have become an example to follow. I'm from Chubut (most cities here were Welsh settlements) and we've got veterans come to talk to our schools almost every year. They were young, under equipped and practically sent as cannon fodder for the dictatorship to gain political power. Both sides deserve respect and honor, so say hi to your neighbor for me ❤️
I learned more watching this video than going to school for 12 years and sat down in front to a teacher that her class was "Falklands bad, Malvinas good"
I'm Argentine and I have the need to excuse our country for this, I know this isn't a popular opinion in my country but supporting a war promoted by a military junta against people who didn't even want to be part of our country in barbaric. I hope one day our countries can forget and forgive.
La Guerra en si fue una excusa para mantenerse a flote. Quien ganase se mantendría en el poder unos años más. Tanto la Junta Militar como Thatcher eran bastante impopulares en esa época. Solo usaron las Malvinas como un tablero para hacerse ver mejores ante el público. De haber ganado Argentina la guerra, la Junta Militar hubiese durado unos cuantos años, posiblemente llegado a los '90.
Sea dicho de paso, las personas viviendo en las Islas ya perdonaron. Es más, son considerados británicos y pueden ser visitados por sus parientes argentinos. Asi que en cierta forma, todo esta en el pasado. CASI.
As a Briton, I’ve no grudge against anyone from Argentina; except for the Junta who forced the war between our two countries. Let’s let those who live on the Falkland Islands decide which country they want to be a part of. Until then; let bygones be bygones.
Mate you don’t need to apologise for anything. 😊 🇬🇧🇫🇰🇦🇷☮️
Well our Government never ever bring up the Islands. Its ur government who wont let it go.
@@jamesoakley4570 It's almost like USA with the Vietnam War. They don't remember the part where they lost it, only that they fought it. Similar thing happens to us.
In form Argentina, my father fought in the war and I can tell you my friend, this war was the last thing anyone in the population want it, they were send to hell to "take it back". The nationalism was at is pick everyone was giving away their jewels and stuff to raise money for the soldiers. Yes we where in disadvantage, people freezing, starving. Everything that was raise the junta keep it and sold it to other country. I know this for my parents. For us is a black spot in our history. The kids that die are not heroes, they are victims, Martyrs of the blind government and people that defend the war in 1982. The blood still flows in our memory.
I'm not blaming the British, I'm blaming the government that send the kids and men of 16 year up to 50 to the slaughterhouse that was the Falklands.
The fuckers stole everything, they left the kids cold and hungry at the islands. A veteral went to my school many years ago and when he was captured he got a better treatment from the Brits than from his officers.
I've heard from a Argentinian woman (I'm Argentinian) that her mother was in a knitting club back in those days and they were brought yarn to knit the soldiers sweaters to endure the weather. She said it was the worst yarn that you can think of. It wouldn't keep you warm and it was really itchy.
I wish some of my countrymen would realize this about our government
Perhaps you should thank us. We actually gave you guys what you needed, you wouldn’t have risen up and brought down that awful dictatorship if we haven’t gone to war to reclaim the Falklands from them. And perhaps you’d be under a dictatorship even to this day, of course that Argentinian governments haven’t improved very much, but nonetheless, you can see how bad the president of Argentina is by how many mentions of the Falklands he makes, for instance Christina Kirchner.
"I'm not allowed to say how many planes joined the raid, but I counted them all out and I counted them all back. Their pilots were unhurt, cheerful and jubilant, giving thumbs up signs."- Brian Hanrahan on the British Sea Harriers
God save the Queen
yeah... a lot of harrier were down in the island skyes
I think Argentina's claim is weak at best. It is entirely based on an old Spanish claim during the colonial era. As many of you may know the Spanish claimed a majority of the Americas as their own. But it was the British who actually colonized the previously uninhabited islands. Now if Argentina had managed to win the Falklands war (honestly an unlikely scenario) then I would say they earned it through right of conquest. In my opinion, the only two factors that matter when it comes to territory are what do the people invested in that region want and are the owners of that territory able to defend and control it.
si si, ya te vimos
Best statement here.
my dudes.. that different audio volume (and source) of Indy's voice over the historical clips is grinding my gears.. but nice story (and music, of course)!
Sorry we had to fix a mistake in the script and redo the audio in those two places. I hope you can still enjoy the episode :)
@@SabatonHistory no prob at all.))) btw. interresting fact i read somewhere: soldiers injured in Falkland war had a statistically higher survival chance of the injury they suffered, mainly because of that hellish cold weather - their metabolism slowed down and their comrades had more time to get them from battlefield to field hospitals..
@@marekschwarzmann1638 I have a very hard time to think that. In cold weather you bleed out faster. The medics was probebly superb, its was Para and commandos and that kind of unit normaly have better educated CLS due to the distance from
surgery they are trained to figth from.
@@heinzg6375 better medical support - agree.. with the rest I respectfully disagree - cold slows body metabolism - even now doctors are putting people "on ice" to buy time to operate, so it makes sense more.. i am still searching for the source of my info...
@@marekschwarzmann1638 Yes if its not a loss of blod that patient has problem with.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4340833/
I’ll have my father listen to this song one day. He was a Royal Marine who fought in this war.
Do it now
I recommend GhostDog780430's video of the song, adds a bit of contemporary video.
Tell me what he thinks of it
Like many British soldiers... They Feel shame for participating in an non honorable robbery against an almost defenseless country...
Far Altright Seems rather stupid for a “defenceless” country to invade the territory of a major power.
My father told me about this. He met a man who fought in this war. A SAS who lost his best friend there. Told him that it messed him up big time. I had learned of this after I heard of this song.
When you hear something like that, you look to things in a different light. Same with the song. Yes, the British won but it did cost them men. No matter how small the number was. For me, you learn that this wasn't so far away. It wasn't that long ago.
Evert De Rijke
True ey my dear Evert !!!
Lovely greetings Alex 🤘🏻
Sadly most Argentinians don't realize that as the political propaganda has been going strong since forever. However just by looking documentaries you can easily learn both sides view. Argentinian soldiers froze and starved to death as they defended their camps with rifle and knife against the SAS and the feared Gurkas. We must admit that the war was brutal on both sides and It surely left its marks on the people that fought the war. Here in Argentina most of our veterans cant even hear the sound of a helicopter or a firework without throwing themselves to the ground in panic.
@@martinsozola8526 That is rough. But it is sad that it is used propaganda. Even after forty years but that doesn't change much. But for those veterans, from what my dad told me, that SAS that lost his friend there, he isn't getting sleep either. A messy thing on politics when soldiers get involved.
Now this is a touchy topic.
I am argentine, for the most part I agree with self-determination of the islanders.
Even if the inhabitants did not origin in those islands, several generations have passed already, that cannot be factored out. Argentina has never had several generations of citizens born on those islands, and never actually made a serious attempt to gain control over the islands back in the day and just allowed the british to do it.
It's fair to point out, however, that nations in general will change their stance towards self-determination or territorial integrity when it suits their interests, and may endorse or disregard those principles depending on the particular case (and both Argentina and Britain are guilty of this, regarding different issues).
As it was mentioned, back in the day, recapturing the islands was a way for the argentine military government to attempt to distract the populace from inner problems using an outer enemy. Just a couple of years before, the Beagle Conflict took place with Chile, over a couple of even more irrelevant and unknown islands.
The truth is, in Argentina this conflict is seen as a matter of national pride, a continuation of the old the conflict between european powers and the new world ex-colonies striving to make room for themselves in the world. Especially now, that hundreds of men have died directly or indirectly due to the war.
All in all, I see the Falklands/Malvinas war as a conflict that should not have happened. Personally I do not harbor ill feelings towards the british people over it, however you will find plenty argentines who do. All I see is a conflict that led to loss of life, caused by unscrupulous men who saw in war a means to run away from the problems they had created in our country.
I can agree with you in that regard mate. Ultimately both the Junta and Thatcher saw the potential for a 'sucessfull war' to bolster their grip on power. Technically the whole british expedition probably wasted more time, lives and money than the Islands themselves were possibly worth.
Geographically and historically the claim of the Argentinians made sense.
However one cant disregard the Islanders right to self-determination.
I'm from Argentina too and i think the islands are better off with England.Can
you imagine the islands infected with peronism? with villas miserias?
No hubo héroes, solo victimas.
Así es, amigo, como tendríamos que ver la guerra todos los argentinos, saludos desde Misiones.
@@Astragolden Te imaginas... acá los llaman los pibes de la guerra, como si fuera que no hubo voluntarios.
Disappointed that the Vulcan strike wasn't mentioned, especially as the lyrics include "Harriers and Vulcan strikes at our command" One of the coolest and most daring bombing raids since WWII. Largely political again, but still, worth mentioning I think! 🤘😁🤘
Tacticaly it did not achieve anything, however strategically - it scared the hell out of Argentinians that British managed to get a nuclear bomber not only over islands, but they could get it over Argentina.
And Vulcans were to be decomissioned anyway so it was not a waste.
And it did actually managed to hit the runway, putting it out of commision for "fast jets" (akka fighter bombers)
Supply craft could just land on the green next to it.
(there is some who however argue that the cost of Victor tankers frame lifetime was not worth it...)
Paerigos it may not have achieved much but it opened up a load of new possibilities for the RAF, now that they could get nuclear bombs pretty much anywhere in the world just in case
@@fin4204 Given that like month after Falklands the Vulcans were decomissioned and any such bombing would have to be done trough use of the Valiants which still served but were not as good...
The only conflict I think the Avro Vulcan were actually used in.
@Random1234 But the point was to deny use of the airfield to any fast jets capable of mounting a serious threat to the fleet at sea, which it achieved. It also scared the crap out of the Junta as it showed them that Argentina itself was within reach, at least theoretically. So they had to hold back a lot of forces to protect themselves. For a pretty much useless raid, that seems kind of successful to me.
The residents of the Falklands identify overwhelmingly as British and the islands also dont have an "indigenous" population so I think its pretty clear who has the right to claim that land.
Yeah I'd agree. Because if Argentinia owns the Island, they would own an Island full of british people that dont even know spanish...
It doesnt really matter if Spain used to own the island, if there are no spaniards on it that could have Argentinian Nationalism.
@Michael Hicks In the End, the people didnt wanna be part of Argentinia. So in my view theres no way to justify ANYONES claim except the one of those who live there.
If Italy, for example, occupies an Indian Island, in the other side of the world, and colonizes it with its citizens, is it theirs? Is it their right to be there just because the inhabitants want to be Italians? Or should it return to India, which was the territory to which it was linked in the first place( and the logical choice by geographic reasons)
@@MiguelGarcia-si8qi Well, I'd say people make Countries. Lots of Colonies, including Argentinia itself, have declared themself independent of their original owners by own choice. Therefore Argentinia should respect if others choose to not do that, because the Falkland people too made a choice.
@@MiguelGarcia-si8qi if Italy did it over a hundred years ago, and the current inhabitants had been there for generations and made up most if not all the population. Especially if no inhabitants lived there original, and the ancestors arrived before the current country contesting it existed. Then yes they should belong to Italy.
I mean, I have got plenty of stuff to do but *HELL NO SABATON HISTORY RELEASED A NEW VIDEO* (more like hell yes!)
I think it's fairly straightforward.
The citizens of the Falklands wished to remain British. Therefore, the Falklands are British soil.
So Crimea is Russian and Catalonia should be indempendent?
@@KoaFidCZ Transplanted populations do not count, and Catalonia should be independent if its native residents want it.
The problem with Catalonia it's that it's suped divide some people want teams in in Spain and some people want independence, and the last Refefendum doesn't count, because there is a duck ton of evidencia that it was rigged, they let people vote more than once and shit like that
@@ComradePhoenix I mean, you do realize that the inhabitants of the islands are descended from the colonists that indeed illegally ocuppied the islands. It doesn't matter that they want to be British, by international law and by moral, ethical and logical standpoints, they should belong to the argentine people. Albeit not by war but by international law, of course
@@MiguelGarcia-si8qi the un saya over wise. So long as the inhabitants want to remain British they will. Politics or war regardless.
*Sees Back in Control in the title*
Whew, the comments section is going to be as lit as General Belgrano after being torpedoed by HMS Conqueror
I also get that sinking feeling too.
I'll show myself out.
As an argentinian *Hey!*
As a meme lover *Ok, that was good*
I’ll announce it on BBC
Spicy! Haha!
H982 FKL.- Top Gear Mad Lads.
This war showed that smaller but intensively trained professional forces are superior over bigger army consisted of conscripts.
Only really effective Argentinian forces were Air Forces. Again fully professional.
there is a few proof of that before.
Yup, also the fiercest argentine Unit in the islands was the BIM, who where marines, most of them where professional soldiers, and fought until the last day of war....they even wanted to keep on fighting despite of the surrender....they where the last unit to surrender, and entered Pt. Stanley (A.K.A By war times Puerto Argentino) in a form of parade and with their weapons
Britain: *Playing politics at home, minding its own business*
Argentina: "Hey Britain, can I borrow this toy?"
Britain: "No, that's mine, stay away from it"
Argentina: *Takes it anyway to improve its game of politics*
Britain: "No."
Technically Britain took the islands first centuries ago.
@@ARandomAccount110 Argentina never owned it and has no legitimate claim to the islands
@@jacobdewey2053 Thats not true, france, britain, spain, argentina, and the us had control over the islands even before 1900.
The thing is that britain kick the ass of argentina 2 times for the islands ya know, that's more important i think.
And in any case the falklanders want to be british and britain wants them.
Something you're missing is the Junta also planned to invade contested territory in Chile, but they knew Chile would fight back. On the other hand they thought it was highly unlikely that a diminished Britain would dare or care to do so. What they didn't count on is they messed with the wrong Prime Minister. Maybe if they had done so five years earlier or ten years later they'd have been right.
I was in Britain when the task force came back, and it was a great welcome!
the funniest is that they gave the prime minister the best excuse to give money for a military action.
The most striking thing for me is the rational and civilised nature of the dialogue that has followed this video of a sensitive topic. A rare thing on TH-cam! Sabaton folk really are a decent bunch!
And this is why my English teacher and my Spanish teacher had a fight in the hallway.
I think is worth mentioning that those Argentines pilots that was flying their old aircrafts almost at sea level to avoid radar detection.. had balls of steel
And with barely enough fuel to go, strike, and come back. If they delayed 1 minute, they were fucked
This earned them the respect of the RAF and the Navy air service.
@@elrusito5034 Delayed by ONE minute....... You civilian idiot
@@elrusito5034 actually they had to refuel midway both ways. The British never found the Argentinian fuel tankers.
An interesting fact about the Falklands War is that the first strike by the brittish in retaking the Falklands was one of the longest bomber missions ever flown and the only time a brittish Vulcan bomber dropped bombs in anger.
They were a great plane that really only existed as a deterrent for most of their life. It's a pity 558 is no longer flying now. Was great while it lasted but so sad it's been grounded again. Closest I'll ever come to hearing something like it was seeing and hearing a B1.
a failed mission. 0 kills and the airfield kept working till the end of the war, the argies even dropped sand over one of the bomb cratter to make it look bigger for the british satellites...
@@lauxtilldeath Not really, it had the effect of keeping most of the Argentinian air defenses back to protect the mainland (what if the bomber slipped through and hit Argentina?). The practical damaging effect can only tell so much.
I came to say that the Falkland islands are Cold, Wet and Miserable
*JUST LIKE HOME*
I was thinking the same thing when they described conditions on the ground that the British would be accustomed to it.
Thanks for making this video guys my uncle was master at arms on board the aircraft carrier HMS Hermes during the war. He'd previously served on HMS Sheffield which was sunk during the war.
The melody of Back in Control reminds me a lot of Aces High by Iron Maiden. Referring to Thatcher as "the Iron Maiden" makes it obvious.
That was her nickname dude.
@@EnderMan314-USA It was Iron Lady - not Iron Maiden.
Oh wow a sabaton song I've never actually heard how surprising
The Empire Strikes Back
Pretty much.
@@Death_Korps_Officer There was a T shirt that circulated at the time, Falklands '82 The Empire Strikes Back.
Not really. The Falklands were not invaded and a local population was not oppressed. They're just a small British settlement with a small population who choose to remain British. They were illegally invaded by a Argentina (a foreign nation) who had no legal justification to invade, oppress the local population and cause the deaths of nearly 1000 people.
@@w-james9277 Dude, this is not Cyprus. And also, check your history books. The islands were discovered by Spanish adventurer around 1500. After that, they were part of the Spanish colony in America, later the vikingdom of Peru, and after the River Plate vikingdom (I really don't know how it's pronounce in English). They were actually invaded by Britain by 1980 (not the first English Invasion in pur country, those dated all the way to early 1800 up until last years of the previous century). The Falklands War is actually the only major victory and so far the only territory ever retained by British government. They are now considered a British colony since the inhabitants no longer want to be part of argentinian territory (no one can't blame them, honestly).
@@Death_Korps_Officer I have mate. In the 1700's they were contested Spain, Britain and France. All three nations withdrew as it was simply not worth fighting over. In the late 1800's british settlers arrived with no complaints from France or Spain and were established as a British colony a few months later with again, no complaints from any other nation.
I'm from Argentina, so I just wanted to say thank you for keeping it fair. I know Sabaton doesn't glorify war and that Indy always sticks to the facts, but thanks.
It'd be really interesting to see (hear?) a song written from the other side. As I replied to someone else, I'd prefer if it were about the military junta and the disappeared, but that's just my take.
In any case, keep up the great work, people!
They said they took the islands in 1833 from Spain... dude. They took them in 1833 from Argentinian born there living there.
Just in case, the May Revolution was in 1810, not 1833.
Say whatever about the criminals of the Junta, I'm with you, but they didn't come up with this.
Argentina's claim comes from Manuel de Rosas times
@@Atoqwaman Man, I know this didn't start with the Junta, and there are tons of reasons why I think the Islands should be part of Argentina. My point's that the channel could've made this a "third world country decides to start a war with a potency and lost" kind of video but they didn't. I just wanted to thank them for keeping it as neutral as possible.
On my end, I respect the desire of the people living there, whatever it is. I just want to have the best relationship possible with them, we're neighbors after all. Hopefully, they'll come around and think it's better to be part of the country that's next to them, instead of one that's far away, but that's up to our government making this country work and, of course, the people living on the Islands.
And (just nit-picking here, but), as far as I know, what really matters is the Declaration of Independence, which was in 1816.
Cheers from Buenos Aires!
ive heard little about this, who are the disappeared that you refer to?
@@romulansith Basically, people who the junta kidnapped, tortured, killed and got rid of the bodies for being "against the government". Here's the Wikipedia article, if you want to learn more: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War
someone is stealing something from you and has more powerful guns and attacks you... You fight. Even if you know you will lose. That is called honor. Something pirates don't know.
A friend of the family was a sailor aboard HMS Sheffield at the time it sank. It’s quite tragic as he suffers absolutely horrific PTSD from the event. But he is willing to talk about his actions during that time, and he’s a very interesting person.
Interesting episode on a really good song!
Thanks!
I'm British and I really don't mind who the Falkland Islands belong to. But if the people living in the Falklands want to be British they have every right to be. They shouldn't have to be forced into Argentina
"Never in the history of war since 1914, have airmen faced such a terrifying conjunction of deadly obstacles. Not even the RAF in 1940 over London, or the Luftwaffe in 1945.
Your courage has awed not only the Argentine people, but we are many in the world who are proud of you being our brother pilots." - Pierre Clostermann
just in case you need material for a song ;)
you missed the fact that argentina tried to invade chile before they invaded the falklands. but was stoped by the pope of the time.
Coming from a military family In Argentina where most of my father's friends were in the airforce and bombed the shit out of the British navy I must admit that the people in the islands decided to keep being part of Britain and that should be respected.
In the other hand it should also be known that our airforce and infantry did the best they could under such a piece of shit power.
Even tho our airforce was outdated we had our best pilots on those days and their tales are amazing to hear. Those pilots now are trying to train a new airforce even more outdated than before. Our infantry soldiers in the other hand where normal people picked up from their jobs by the draft. They starved and froze to death in their fox holes yet they kept fighting even with their own knives against highly skilled commandos and the very feared Gurkas. They will always be remembered as heroes and victims of one of our worst times in history. QDEP soldados desconocidos y reconocidos heroes de Malvinas (RIP unknown soldiers and known heroes of the Falklands)
The fighting spirit of Argentina troops is well know here in British military circles, and they are well respected.
In a way though it did save lives as if the Argentine gov was more competent the fight could of been allot harder and thus more deaths.
@@harryb8945 also we are a bunch of crazy fuckers
Actually the Gurkhas arrived after the fighting had stopped.
martins ozola the Gurkhas didn’t do a whole lot of fighting and they were well pissed off when the Argentine forces surrendered cause they couldn’t fight!
Pay no mind to the Argentineans that are angry about the song, you know we are thousands more who would gladly sing along with you at any show you make here!
Now, as an Argentinean, I have no problem saying that this war was a mistake and its to be blamed on Argentina.
I had the pleasure to meet a British Ex-Officer who served in the war and he only said good things about the "Argies" he fought (I think he didn't want to try and start to argue, maybe). A lot of veterans also speak with a lot of respect about the other side.
It was a political move, but the people that fought it acted as gentlemanly as they could.
PS: It is also the only conflict where the FN FAL and the SLR (British FAL redesign to be built with the imperial unit system) face one another and I'm a bit let down you didn't talk about the Pucara plane!
This song together with Counterstrike and Into the fire are for me the best Sabaton songs ever. That's what the old Swedish War Machine is about.
Fun fact, im from Argentina and this was the first song of sabaton i heard, love your songs btw
XD
Must have been intreasting
@@cristianvillanueva8782 indeed
Argentina: Britain is on its way out, they can’t possibly take all this effort to take three small islands back.
Britain: YOU DON’T FUCK WITH THE IRON MAIDEN!
Great video! Love from Argentina
It would be amazing to hear the song from Argentinian perspective and compare both.
I tend to study history through the arms that are used and I find it interesting that during the Falklands War both sides used the FN FAL.
Hello I know this is a old video but yesterday was the liberation day of the Falkland Islands.
No mention of the fact that two-thirds of the Argentinian ground troops were conscripts, with no choice about being there, little training, and no combat experience. That may have worked when there were many hundreds of Argentinian soldiers directly threatening the governor's residence against the 80 Royal Marines assigned to defend the grounds, when peace without loss of life was still a hope, but it didn't work in the long run.
The eventual Argentinian defence of Port Stanley rested upon dug-in positions held by twice as many troops as were brought to bear by the UK's fast attacking strategy. Historically, a dug-in defensive force is considered to have a 3-to-1 advantage over any attackers, yet the British troops defeated them by attacking at night. There was British air superiority at this time, and some artillery support, but that effect was limited because of concerns over where the Falkland Islander civilians might have been kept, as well as it being nighttime (swings and roundabouts). Ultimately, this battle showed that a professional army with practised tactics, a sound strategic focus and coherent political support beats an army without any of that.
(Before anyone thinks to mention it, this says nothing about any professional army's ability to defeat a general insurrection. Professional armies only have the natural advantage when they can tempt or pin opponents to an open yet potentially decisive battle.)
I dont get why this is controversial? Argentina invades British Island, Britain sends forces to take island back. Its like punching someone and then getting mad that he punched back.
@Belagerungsmörser the Sheep actually they didn’t steal it they colonized it before the Argentines even existed so they were merely taking it back.
@Belagerungsmörser the Sheep No, they didn't. Argentina didn't exist at the time, Britain had a claim going back to the late 1600s, and British settlers were the only people on that island starting in the 1800s.
Anyone else find this episode rather disappointing? No mention of the black buck raids (world's longest bombing runs), skipping over the reclaiming of South Georgia and the South Sandwhich Islands, not enough on the sinking of ships and subs on both sides, no mention of the mine laying done by the Argentinian's which are still there today, no mentions of the hospital ships on both sides caring for ALL casualties, no mention of the planned SAS raids against Argentina and nothing about the battle of wireless ridge (only armoured battle in the war)
I know the episode can't go on for hours and hours, but it really felt like a *lot* of detail was missed out here.
Dude by war standards this is Berly the equivalent of a small skirmish, no cities got bombed to dust, no massive casualties, no epic tank battles, the only real thing of note was how bad the Argentinians where when it came to Naval damage control, and how shit that generation of British warships was.
Considering they haven't made a song about Enterprise, Montana, Warspite or even the battle off Samar I seriously recommend you be glad they even know of this conflict.
Every time Indy Neidell says his name, i understand "I'm in denial " :D
Oh God, now I'm going to hear it that way every time!!!😂
The British had night vision goggles and this was one of the biggest advantages the British infantry had
The Falkland Islands were not within the internationally accepted boundaries of Argentina! In fact, they are hundreds of miles outside of those boundaries.
As an English sailor who's father served in the Falklands, I absolutely love this song and honestly it feels so personal to hear this song
0 dislikes, I am so proud.
Edit: This comment was relevant for whole 10 minutes.
As long as Sabaton continues to make new songs and albums, Sabaton History shall live a thousand years!
Falklands are British
Greetings from Chile my fellow tea loving friends.
Tea > Mate, this war ended that debate forever.
Also Chile helped the British win that conflict by sharing their radar information and allowing the British to refuel on Chilean land.
@@alexhaywood3139 of course, argies tried to invade chilean soil some years before, and Galtieri said that after their victory on the Falklands they would take our south.
Also the UK was one of our few friends at the time.
Greetings from the UK my fellow tea lover
Greetings Prussian from Britain
Salutations and thank you very much for your support
One of my favorite songs from sabaton. Great to see this finally getting its episode.
You can hear them coming, drinking mate , eating asados and claiming that they truly sunk the invencible and that the sinking of General Belgrano was a war crime.
Is sad, but also my family over there is blind, the Argentinian government still uses this as a curtain for their economic and political problems.
The Falklands aren't Argentine but sinking a ship outside of the exclusion zone IS a war crime by definition from the Geneva convention
@@FernandoSegovia701 weeeelll...they aren't *anymore* They were once part of our territory, geographicaly and politically speaking. And Gen. Belgrano's sinking was during a war, sooo...
@@FernandoSegovia701 It should be known the only reason Belgrano was sunk is due to Britain's claim that only ships that could pose a threat to the Royal Navy would be sunk outside the exclusion zone. Not to disrespect the men who lost their lives on the cruiser, they deserve to be remembered. If you wish a bit more on the loss and the controversy around it, will you please watch this video: th-cam.com/video/NW3R8Vmq01I/w-d-xo.html
@@FernandoSegovia701
Exactly where in the Geneva Convention declares that an attack from a military ship to another military ship is a war crime?
If you read the divination correctly from the time period... the belgrano was flirting inside and outside of the zone taunting the British. They shot it within the zone and it sunk outside the zone.
No war crime when someone is taunting a military power asking to be attacked for a political ploy
Im surprised you did not cover the Vulcan/Valiant Bombrun, In its self was quite a feat to prepare and execute.
The Falklands War, AKA the Empire Strikes Back.
I am British (Scottish) and even work for a military contractor primally in service to the Royal Navy, so it's plain where my perspective lies. However, I would love to see not just Sabaton, but other media outlet and expressions experiment with the Argentinian perspective on this war. Only so much is understood over here about how Argentines felt and continue to feel about this. In 1982, they may have been enemies, but they we not the bad guys, I know it's not a simple as that. A song revolving around the ARA General Belgrano could work very well and that is a genuinely very interesting ship with a very interesting history. Shout out to an Argentine fans out there, our past belongs in the past, and we admire you and your nation. We salute you.
I don't see how this is a controversy.
One side owns an island and the people are happy with being part of that country
Another side takes it with military force and their justification is "i want it"
That is a conquest war in a nutshell
Glad to finally get this one. This is the song that introduced me to Sabaton
As a non-involved party (american) I'm with Indy and the idea of self determinism. The people of that land wanted to remain british and thus I feel the british were in the right to reinforce control over the land.
Americans were involved, you see, i know that the US educational system is bad, but Argentinians are Americans...because they live on the continent called America (shocking, i know).
Also, 'murilards helped the British using their satelites and providing intel. They were involved.
@John Wood south and north are part of the former continent america. Thank teddy for breaking them in two
America wanted to back the Argentina to enforce the Monroe doctrine, since Argentina was anti-communist and had other countries backing it, but since it was the Cold War they had to stay neutral.
@@compatriot852 not america, the US. it's annoying to see citizen from the US claiming themself as american.
Been watching a lot of Mark Felton on the Falklands and now you guys pop up. Nice.
You're welcome
Argentines: port Stanley airfield is ours, the british cannot dare to launch an air attack
Avro Vulcan XM607: Its free real estate
*OPERATION BLACKBUCK INTENSIFIES*
The logistics behind that operation though. Probably had the Junta pissing their pants when they realized that the British were capable off that.
My father did not go to war but was close to going. Now we both hear Sabaton every time we can. The best fucking band
This morning I found out, that I may have watched too much Sabaton history and their music videos: I turned the TV on and TH-cam recommended me a video with Joakim's face on the thumbnail, and my almost 2-year-old daughter pointed at him and happily announced "Daddy! Other daddy!" I tried explaining, that "No, sweetie, that's not your daddy", but she looked confused. Should I be concerned? Anyone else facing the same issue here? 😂
If you raised her right she would already have Joakim's facial hair
As much as I like his facial hair, I'm actually quite happy with my daughter's beardless face 😄
Metalhead Mom but does her father/your partner have Joakim’s facial hair is the real question 😂
@@trollofduty007 I have to admit, that I once did suggest that as a half-joke, but no 😄
If it comes to it just compromise, let her call him ”tank daddy”.
I cant belive I havent found this chanel earlier. Good job!
Self-determination, if exercised, trumps all. If the people there wanted to remain part of Britain, then any action to force them to do otherwise, is a violation.
I agree. The population has repeatedly left clear they want to remain British. I think that's all what matters.
They had another referendum in 2013 and it was the same result, to remain British. Argentina said they didn't recognise the result because the islands were already theirs. Says a lot about them.
As I understand it, the Argentine claim is that the current population are not "native to the islands", which is quite frankly bullshit, since there was no native population when the Brits discovered the islands, nor was there anyone on the islands when the Brits began permanently inhabiting them.
@@ComradePhoenix exactly the only natives are the penguins lol
@@ComradePhoenix the British did not discover the islands, the Dutch were the first to spot them and the French were the first to establish a colony there, then the British arrived, then the French part was thirsty to Spain and the British left the island, when Argentina won its independence in 1816 the islands were part of ARGENTINA and then it was occupied by the British in 1833 and they expelled the population that lived there and implanted English population
My Dad was in the Royal Air Force & I KNOW he served in this war. Anyway, I agree with the self-determination thing. The Falklanders wanted to stay part of the UK & should be allowed that say.
at 6:48 you marked Mount Pleasant Air Force Base on the Map... which was built after the retaking of the Islands... the main Airfield back in 1982 was between Stanley and Cape Pembroke, smaller grass strips where spread out throughout the Islands and the one at Darwin / Goose Green was a major argentine strongpoint attacked by 2 Para early after the Landings
I absolutely love this song. I know these song aren’t meant to be about who was better than the other but this makes me feel proud to be British.
It would have been nice if mention was made about the role of the Gurkhas in the land battles on the islands. Perhaps Sabaton may write a song about the Gurkhas fighting for the British in many of their wars.
as a Scottish socialist who hates Thatcher, the only thing she did that was good was defend the Falklands; The Falklanders wanted to remain British, were descended from British colonists, the island was previously uninhabited and Argentina's only claims are it's nearby and that a pope had split south america in half between Spain and Portugal and that argentina then inherited that claim somehow, which is like America trying to annex the the Rest of Ireland because it used to be controlled by Britain
@Belagerungsmörser the Sheep Britain discovered it, the French fought then for it, the Spanish tried to claim it and failed. If being in the same continental shelf is the claim them that would also apply to quite a lot of South America and has never taken precedence over self determination. The Argentine invasion was entirely saber-rattling from a failure fascist dictatorship.
The map sections in the video showed the basic flow of battle better then countless shows about the war
My view on these situations is simple - listen to the people who live there. The Falklands want to be British, so they're British. Gibraltar wants to be British, so they're British. If they voted to leave us and join someone else (or go it alone for that matter) then we'd support that.
When an external power comes in and says "we own this land", that's when we take issue.
Whilst I agree totally with you. What is interesting is a large majority of Gibraltar's population voted to remain in Europe.
They do not want to be Spanish but did not want to loose the EU links.
Nik Turk i remember hearing about that. It’ll be... interesting to see what comes of it
@@archstanton6102 correct the people in Gibraltar did vote to remain in the EU yet they also stated they would rather honour the referendum than split ties with the rest of the united kingdom. Thats why i as a brit wouldnt support any deal with the EU that excludes Gibraltar and why i grow to dislike the EU more on a daily basis.
@Belagerungsmörser the Sheep we asked if they wanted independence, they said no. Wee Jimmy Krankie can get fucked.
@Belagerungsmörser the Sheep When Scotland has a referendum that is in favour of Independence by all means, the last one was in 2014 and found 55% of Scots in favour of the union.
Sabaton makes a small mistake, i think.
In the chourus: "Orders from the iron maiden, get the islands back".
Thatcher were called the iron lady, not iron maiden.
Been waiting for this one 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
The Bombing of Port Stanley airfield was an incredible feat, wished you could have spared a moment for it. That said, another great episode.
The empire indeed does strike back.
I was in HMS Hermes and must say I really enjoyed the song and Sabaton compositions
Well, from what I remebmer, first of all, the Argentinian claim over the Falklands is based on the fact that Buenos Aires was the capital city of the Viceroyalty of the River Plate, but when the Argentinians rose against the Spanish, the capital city was moved Montevideo, and that was the last effective capital city of the Viceroyalty of the River Plate, so it could be argumented that the actual right of the islands should be Uruguayan, though it can also be denied since Montevideo was rather a de facto capital city.
On other topic, about the sinking of the General Belgrano, which was outside the 200-mile radius; the British actually lifted that radius some days before the sinking of General Belgrano, plus the task of the ship was actually to attack british ships, it wasn't sailing back to base as originally claimed by the argentinians, this was said by the captain of the General Belgrano himself, Hector Bonzo in 2003. So for me, the sinking wasn't a war crime nor anything like that as considered by some argentinians but just another action in a war. That's up to one's opininon though.
Keep up the good work, not only in Sabaton History but also in WW2 Week by Week, thanks for doing such things, it's just great.
I hope I don't get any angry argentinians in the comments, in the end, they are my neighbours!, greetings from Uruguay!
¿no tenes suficiente con Gardel, el mate y el dulce de leche? ¿qué sigue? ¿Querés Entre Rios?
No tranquilo, era una joda :)
Saludos vecino!!
write an album called "versus" every subject has two songs from each side of a conflict or historical event.
As far as I see it, the Argentinians had a semblance of a claim prior to the Falklands war. But with the loss of that war they also lose their claim. If the question of ownership was in the air at all. There is no longer any doubt. A population that wishes to be British, the British owning the islands for longer than anyone else and finally the British winning a war fought solely over the ownership of the islands. This means simply that the Falkland islands are British and will only ever be British. Besides, the Argentine military is in such a pathetic and underfunded state currently that they couldn't try to take the islands even if they still had a claim.
My daughter (10 years old, and I) want a song about the Great Emu War (granted, the emus did retain control after their invasion). Or even just reword "Winged Hussars" into a song about the emus! 😀
I’ll like that
I wonder if Dioudonne Saive envisioned a war where his rifle, the FAL, would be the official rifle on both sides. Although I have done a couple FAL episodes, I need to tackle a full history of the FAL at some point this year.
Milsurp Mike Channel If He were alive I’m pretty sure he’d probably be a bit confused to say the least.
Heard it said that many brits took argentinian FALs as the british SLR only had (semi-)automatic fire selectors, while the argentinian FAL could fire in fully automatic.
@@lavrentivs9891 the Australian version was also only semi automatic if memory serves me correctly. However a little bit of ingenuity could make it full automatic with something extremely common and easy to find lol.
I've held an FN-FAL and it was so comfortable. One of those guns you raise to your shoulder and your arm comes comfortably around with your hand around the trigger area. Same as I find with Mosin Nagants yet the Lee Enfield with standard stock is just too long and uncomfortable. Definitely not a gun that will end up in my collection.
@@michellemelville8979 Never used it myself sadly, my country went with the G3 (and later switched to the FN FNC in -86), though I'm quite fond of the G3 even if I miss the folding stock of the FNC.
@@lavrentivs9891 I never used it myself but back in the day where the army reserves were promoting themselves they had their training weapons available to handle. I've also been to the Lithgow firearms museum where I got to shoulder one as an adult and fell in love with it.
I'm argentinian and not upset with the song, but I think it would be really Nice another song with argentinian perspective. Our air force was under a clear disadvantage, even our pilots had to fly one meter over the sea for avoiding anti air defences. In ground our forces had equipment in bad conditios, the british had night vision. One of the most famous stories is from a soldier who fight defending his friend taking the rifle of the enemy and then with the knife
I bet the British are really thankful the Argentinians couldnt get more Exocet missiles or that war may have gone very differently.
True. Losing one aircraft-carrier to such an attack would have jeopardized the whole mission.
@@SabatonHistory I wasn't even thinking that big. I was thinking losing a few more destroyers or frigates and what it would do to public opinion back in Britain. What turned out to be a very beneficial war for Thatcher's popularity, could have been different and ended her political life much sooner.
The Brits bought all the exocet missiles that was on the market at the time ( cost a lot too ) so the Argentines couldn't replenish them
@@NathansWargames They just bought _some_ of the existing inventory. They told the French something along the lines of _if you sell more of those to the argies we're going to have problems_ .
Peru tried to buy more Exocets in lieu of Argentina but intel gathered both from Chile and the British themselves saw that coming from miles away when they discovered someone trying to acquire Exocet missiles with a Peruvian visa.
Just got my ticket today to see you guys in Bucharest in August. Can't wait! Thank you so much for coming :D
Since this song is written from the British side of the war, and we know there are other songs wrote in opposite sides, I wonder what song could come out from the argentinian side.
Not much is there
Being Argentinian I would prefer not to hear that. There sure are many military and Rock and Roll songs about it but most Argentinians know all of this war was part of a political show. One done by THE WORST dictatorship we ever had
@@martinsozola8526 Supongo que es un motivo válido.
@@dewolff6937 Actually there is a lot. The retake of the islands, General Belgrano's sinking, our own special troops making a beach landing, the defence of the main island, and finally the consequences of the war.
The dogfights? The Belgrano? The invasion? The way our government (I'm from Argentina) treated the soldiers who fought there after it was over?
Personally, I'd prefer one about the junta, but it might be a bit of a stretch.
There some small problems with Indy Neidell's voice, like in 2:23. Is any chance that this can be corrected? On the said of the content, it is great.
My Granddad was supposed to be on HMS Sheffield for the war but was absent due to breaking his ribs in a training exercise prior to the deployment. When the Sheffield was sunk, due to the chaos of war, he was listed as missing and my Nan got a telegram saying his status. She surprised the bereavement officer when she answered the door and told him that my Granddad was upstairs fixing a light. Kind of a funny story. Also a shocking loss of life to maintain a status quo.
Only thing that would have made this funnier would be if your Grandad was the one opening the door to the officer.