@@Kaheiyattsu221 you can't adapt when you die before you can. This thing just outsped and bootyfucked everything in sight with the click of a button. It ruined offense and stall alike because offense couldn't outsped it and was to frail to take it's hit while stall just took massive damage from the boltbeam coverage this thing got via terastalization.
@@Kaheiyattsu221 It's almost as if counters were incredibly specific and not always reliable therefore weren't a good idea or wasted a pokemon a lot that could hurt the focus of a team you wanted to actually use and made team building boring 😊
and didn't Houndstone fall down to OU after the banning of Last Respects? I assume they banned Last Respects either in reaction/in preperation for Swift Swim/Adaptability LR revenge sweeper Basculegion, and let Houndstone live but only be able to use LR in UBERs. Regieleki really just trolled everywhere
I’m pretty sure eleki is the fastest quickban in OU, it’s either that or marshadow. Also electrode got banned from ZU for acting as a leki at home with boltbeam and pivoting and shows how coverage can make or break a Pokémon which is pretty cool for electrode.
@@themiloyt3111 252+ SpA Life Orb Electrode-Hisui Electro Ball (150 BP) vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Skeledirge: 220-259 (53.5 - 63%) -- guaranteed 2HKO max spdef is one of dirges main sets so not only do you miss the ohko (and get willohexed) but also you do even worse against sub sets, where 2 shadow balls kill you by the time you break the sub one hit, hit it to 25% the next. And then there’s the horrible opportunity cost of running electrode when you could be using a mon that trades speed for a main attacking stat over 100 (or get more of both with booster valiant)
What we expected : Ice types will transcend their many weaknesses through Terastalization. What we actually got : Regieleki Terastalizing into ice to rain death and destruction on the opposition.
Ice is a "glass cannon" type - great offensive capabilities but awful defensive ones. Ice-type Pokemon fare A LOT better in fast sweeper roles than bulky ones
From what is left of all the animations we got in the old days of pokemon Stadium or colloseum. Nowadays we are lucky if the Pokemon barely moves on a physical attack.
As False Swipe Gaming said, sometimes speed IS everything. Even if you cut it's offenses down it'd still be stupid because it can basically always hit first, has set up moves first, and just can't be stopped now. You don't need overwhelming power if you ALWAYS get some value just by switching in. And it has that power anyways!
I know this is mostly for OU, but Ubers has a VERY Frustrating Combination up ahead. If Miraidon is such a threat, imagine comboing it alongside a BoltBeam Eleki that can even utilize the Electric Terrain Mirai sets up for even more Electric Power. Either way, at least the ban for it was done... but it'll show just how crazy this initial wave of mons will be.
My AV threads with wish support has been able to handle the duo pretty well till now. But yeah, it's kinda tough especially since Mirai also gets overheat.
Iron treads is already common in Ubers because of miraidon and regieleki doesn't like it. Also being a tera hog in Ubers is a lot worse of a drawback than it is in OU, because even with electric terrain I don't think regieleki is the best tera user almost all the time. Regieleki will be usable for sure but I don't think it will be so devastating.
Regieleki feels like it was balanced by its lack of coverage in exchange for it being the first Pokémon to have a higher base speed stat than Deoxys-Speed
I ran a fun set with Rapid Spin, Espeed, Explosion, and Wild Charge. It had Tera Normal to amp up its power if need be. The niche of just being able to Explode for momentum fit my first team really well, and its power was good. And then the very next day it got banned.
This is probably why they took away some old moves like Hidden Power in gen 8, if Hidden power still existed Leki could've thrown around HP ice at ground types and been much better at that time, but giving it an 80 BP STAB Ice-type attack with the tera mechanic? Yeah, that was obviously too much.
@@ascendant0879 Agree. GF also doesn’t really care about Singles so no need to "balance" something that only affects the single battles. Not to mention stuff like Zacian or Dracovish.
What I find incredible is that this electric demon was one of the many pre-HOME council votes for whether it should go straight to Ubers or not, and it missed the majority vote by 1 (6 Uber, 3 OU, 1 abstain), so it got to start in OU. How on earth did they not see this coming with Tera in the game? I guess it worked out since the fastest Pokemon ever gets the fastest ban ever, but still, nice job, lol.
They saw it coming, but they didn’t want to ban a Pokémon based entirely on theorymonning, especially since there is a process for dealing with overpowered Pokémon (ie emergency quickbans)
they definitely saw it coming, but were most likely going by the philosophy that it never proved it’s brokenness in an official ou tier and therefore we shouldn’t ban it until it has proven its power. they could afford to let it in for a day because SPL doesn’t start until Monday, so it won’t have any real repercussions in tournament
Flinchinator, one of the council members, outright said that they know its probably busted but they want to give it a chance in OU since its never actually been busted in any OU tier before. Since it really wasn't that good in gen 8 and was close to falling to UU.
And it is worth noting that the last vote, the abstain one, was by FlamingVicting who probably wanted to put it un Uber but refused by principle to decide to vote Uber before the mons were tested
We always did… Just not to the crippling extent you did my doubles friend (especially seeing as it was both the faster mon AND had speed control anyway).
The only way I am able to beat it is to bait it to use Volt Switch (or any other electric move) on you as you Tera Ground and kill it afterwards. But using a Tera only for Regieleki? Dont know what to think about that. It works tho :D
It sucks that, in VGC, worlds will be played in regulation D which allows all the Pokémon from Pokémon home into the format. Regieleki, being so insanely fast and strong, invalidates at least 85% of Pokémon just because it out speeds them even in tailwind or with a choice scarf, not to mention that regieleki has access to speed control in the form of electroweb which hits both targets and lowers their speed by one stage. It’s only base 55 but the fact that it’s STAB and boosted by transistor makes it deal way more damage than you would think
ngl a part of me wished pkm home didn't exist, at least rn. early s/v vgc and OU was so fun with all the chaos, new ideas for the new mons, etc. It was fun to not be forced to use old common comp staples (looking at you lando-t). not looking forward to OU, i'll be sticking to UU this gen just to avoid all the pkm from home
honestly cases like eleki are more of an indicator of how badly designed some overpowered Pokémon are and how bad generational gimmicks are in the long term. even though terrastalising is more interesting than the crap dynamax mechanic, gamefreak have proven time and again (even in this gen with with the likes of miraidon existing or last respects, rage fist being ludicrous with their max caps being way too high) that they are not good at balancing their game for PVP (heck their not even good at balancing their game from a single player perspective as well).
@@MaxBurnHeart Yeah but it’s like once some Pokémon gets sent there then you never see them again due to better much more stronger options being available. From what I’ve experienced Regieleki is still hard counters by Fire/Steel/Ground which is quite prevalent in the Ubers tier.
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 Now that would be a nice concept to balance out the Ubers tier where everyone is definitely not “balanced” even among Anything Goes.
uh no.... not an oubl cuz its just gonna b Hyper offense oon steroids... the only mons that get banned are usually offense and that is gonna be broken by default
I'm quite surprised that not many people were willing to run Iron Treads, it's got the typing to not get destroyed by terablast ice, and it still has the usual stealth rock rapid spin stuff the phans have. While yes the typing is quite bad since the weaknesses consist of common types, it can be worked around with the rest of the 5 mons on the team to try and keep tread alive
You basically explained why not many people were willing. If it's got a lot of weaknesses to common types and you need to have the rest of your team compensate for that then you're already in a bad position before the match starts, as opposed to just using a pokemon that you don't need to have your team compensate for.
The moment treads dies though due to the whole weakness thing, you’re boned. Also the eleki user can easily just switch out on a predicted earthquake or such into a mon like corviknight and maintain momentum. Eleki if their user is competent is also almost never going in anyways unless it has an opportunity to do harm or do something like spread thunder wave. So most of the time it is treads coming in response to the threat of eleki, which causes problems for prediction and such. Furthermore treads does not like being blasted by STAB ice tera blast Eleki users might also get some funny ideas and switch to tera fighting or water
that actually surprises me with it's limited movepool and terastilization has ground or other resistant options. but with tera blast I guess it can have water or grass element
Boltbeam is almost perfect coverage. Electric +ice/steel are the only types to resist both. But neither of those has good mons nor stops volt switch so eleki just throws its STABs around and then if it hits something it doesn't like it just volt switches out and lets the other 5 mons in its team deal with it.
@@walaceandrade4046moon's ubers in natdex. It's a grossly different meta. So we tested it in ou first, and it got banned in like 26 hours. At least it does not stay for like half a year like certain fish, we should be grateful about this.
Electric-tera glastrier is something like a somewhat ballanced broken version of regieleki. All you need to run is max hp, max attack and the moves avalance tera blast protect and heavy slam while also running leftovers. Electric may not be great defensive typying but it is still better that mono ice.
idk if she counts as returning since she's only available in Legends but I've been having a lot of fun with Enamorus-Incarnate on the Showdown ladder :D
When making Regieleki, they really did say "Let's make someone faster than Deoxys Speed" "By 1 point like Pheromosa, right?" "... By 1 point, right? With offensive stats similar to Deoxys Speed...... Right...?"
@MidnightEmerald it got quick banned before it could make the tier unplayable sadge. I think it got banned from ubers faster than any previous ubers mon, tell me if I'm wrong sense it got banned in 42 hours after home release.
Honestly my favourite new Pokémon to use is swords dance rapid strike urshifu, you just click swords dance once then spam surging strikes. I’m just hoping there’ll be no sudden influx of Rocky helmet users because of it
Freezai needs to pin a comment explaining that Transistor's 1.5 boost got nerfed to 1.3 in Gen 9, but Smogon devs didn't realized until after Eleki got banned. (not that it would've made much of a difference, but still).
@@darthhydreigon820 u dont actually there had been many games where i just needed to predict around the threat of tera alone allowing to grap a free volt doing over fiftey to even bulkier mons like gholde. Also clod was on the decline. Also teraing on regieleki is sooo worth it. This is a mon that outspeed booster valiant.
Honestly? Eleki should have been Exhibit A in a case to ban _Tera Blast._ You can run Eleki without Blast, but it still has that Achilles Heel you mentioned, and with Great Tusk being Lando T 2 in a lot of people's minds, that's more than manageable. But Tera Blast on it is the "get out of counters free" card that Dynamax quickly became and got banned for in Gen 8. And it's the same deal going on that has Volcarona on the radar right now-without Blast, Volc offense gets walled hard by a consistent category of Pokémon (has Flash Fire and resists Bug). With Blast, it suddenly has 3 separate ways to get around various answers, and all 3 of those ways have wildly different counterplay. It's time we faced the truth-while Tera on its own is a manageable mechanic, Blast is a get out of jail free card for sweepers who were specifically balanced around a move like it never existing. Practically every offensive Pokémon can get around its biggest issues with the right type of Blast-sans Blast, Tinkaton gets dumpstered by Corviknight, but if Tinkaton picks up Electric Blast it can suddenly whip that Corviknight's ass on a moment's notice while gaining advantage against every bulky water that might also have been used to answer Gigaton Hammer. Tera Blast as a concept might have been okay at 40 BP to make it an effective non stab HP when in use at the end of the day, but at base 80 power is way too strong and reliable for getting sweepers out of being answered/interrupted. It needs gone yesterday.
my favorite pokemon when home released was tera electric cresselia. because it have no counters ( when tera ) and dark types ( except kingambit ) cannot OHKO her because of her bulk + recovery + coverage.
@@indiradevi6217 plus what I already said about not being able to do much in return, outside of something like body press I did also wanna go into more detail about ‘kinda’ but got lazy. I more so meant that it can switch in without immediately crumpling like a foil hat
I was so happy about regieleki coming into SV bc it is one of my favorite mons and my favorite Regi (aside from gigas), so the fact that it got banned so fast hit me like a truck
I'm really enjoying Chien-Pao now. There's just so many unique movesets that it can run. It can run Tera Dark Crunch, Tera Dark Throat Chop, Tera Dark Night Slash, Tera Ice Icicle Crash, Tera Ice Ice Spinner, Tera Ice Ice Shard, and even a Taunt Recover Snowscape Ice Spinner stall.
Now imagine in-lore what Eleki would be like without those rubber bands. The funny bouncing neuron would become a force of sheer murder killing Zacians at a passing, microsecond-speed glance.
Yeah i can see why lol. In SWSH the only thing that kept him balanced was the fact that his only reliable attacks were electric, so if the opponent brought out someone who could resist it or was immune, he was pretty much useless and you were forced to hard switch, giving the opponent a free turn. With terrastalization though he can just switch types to anything and use that tera blast thing and use his insane sp.atk stat to wipe out any counter he wants.
While I'm not sure it would be a great answer, there is one ground type pokemon that could do alright against Eleki if it ever comes to SV: Mamoswine. With Thick Fat and Ice Typing, it's a ground type that RESISTS ice and has great attack and bulk, so it could be enough for a niche. Sure Eleki could just switch to a different Tera Type, but that would greatly compromise it's coverage. Thick Fat makes Mamo neutral to Fire, Water would make it walled by water absorb clodsire and Storm Drain Gastrodon, Grass would be good against most grounds but not great for super effective coverage, Fighting would make it walled by Ghost/Ground types, and Steel is also not a great offensive type, especially with T-bolt. Eleki would very likely still get banned, but if Mamoswine was available at Home's release, it could've had a niche of checking Eleki.
I feel like game freak didn't think about what would happen if they added these pokemon, it power crept the game insanely quickly and the meta will never be the same
They did think, they deliberately made them more powerful so that people would have a reason to use the new designs instead of old ones. Which is fair, but holy fuck not like this.
Atta boy, Regieleki! That's why you're my favorite out of the bunch! 🤣 As for the question, I'm very excited to use my Rock Head Hisuian Arcanine. Head Smash, Wild Charge, Double Edge, and Flare Blitz. I love it. 💥w💥
Ursaluna looks like a better Tusk, ngl. It gets Belly Drum, Drain Punch, and STAB EQ plus Guts. Add Fighting Tera and it's amazing. I have a feeling that it might end up in Ubers.
There was no doubt Eleki would get banned quickly. Even in NatDex OU, which has a significantly higher power level than regular Gen 9 OU, it was banned to Ubers lmao
You forgot one decent counter. Pawmott. It has volt absorb to stop volt switch and a stab mach punch. With a life orb and adamant nature it near guarantees a one shot on any eleki that tries to tera blast you and you also have drain punch if they try to stall. And if they switch, that's a free revival blessing. That was my plan to deal with it but unfortunately by the time I got onto showdown it was already banned.
Tera Blast deals up to 75% without a Life Orb or Specs. Pawmot can only switch into it once per game and then you're in a 50/50: either it switches into something that doesn't care about mach punch and forces it out, making it unable to switch in for the remainder of the game. Or you predict a switch, use revival blessing and get taken out by Tera Blast. It's just not a stable answer at all, and with a Life Orb it's in OHKO range.
@@nicolaistuhlmuller8718 huh. Didn't know it was so squishy. But yeah the goal is to switch into electric moves and then threaten it out with mach punch.
I don't have much knowledge on the Ubers meta right now but I think Regieleki might end up as one of the best pokemon in ubers as well. Also a slight part of me wants to predict that this might be the first time a previous Non-Uber might go to AG.(I dunno I don't follow Nat Dex)
When you said Boltbeam I immediately thought of a rom hack called Pokemon Clover because they actually have a move called Boltbeam which is both Electric and Ice type at the same time (wish they would do more multi type moves like that)
So this is where it began, the new gimmick here powered up Regieleki so much that it got banned to AG in national dex. (it isn’t available in base game)
Let's be honest here. Regieleki was put in OU just for memes. Because, you know. It's so fast, it will be the fastest pokemon banned ever. Not only its movesets from the previous gen is still valid and as strong here, now it's also a terrifying sweeper with very limited counterplay. In short, everybody who had any idea what this pokemon's weakness was could predict it being too strong.
From the other side he now has the powers of a semi-legendary. Since recent generation commom pokemon could be stronger. But he got his Anime-style strength
Would have been cool if Eleki and Drago existed in Gen 3. It would be limited by Hidden Power and the choice of Ice vs Grass, and no Volt Switch. But with transistor it would still be stronger than zapdos.
With 95 base power Thunderbolt that was gonna disintegrate the metagame. Only needed Hidden power would be grass except if you account for Salamance and Flygon
The only Pokémon that can out speed it is Sand Rush Excadrill. Even if Regieleki has a Timid nature, it'll have 548 speed, while an Adamant Excadrill would have 550 while Sand is up. Or you can sacrifice some power to have 604 speed with Jolly Excadrill. This isn't a perfect counter though, like being neutral to Ice unless it goes for Tera Steel, and by doing that, you're no longer immune to Volt Switch.
Not the only one! Floatzel can do something similar- a max speed Regieleki, like you said, has 548 speed. Swift Swim Floatzel, even with an Adamant nature, reaches 658 speed in rain, and Liquidation is a guaranteed OHKO. It can't take a hit unfortunately, so can't switch in on any electric move- it can take a Tera Blast Ice, though (possible 3HKO), due to the type resistance and Floatzel's passable HP stat. If rain is down, it can at least get some solid damage off with Aqua Jet. Excadrill is probably a way better counter, since it's a lot bulkier (okay, I love Floatzel, but this thing cannot take hits at all) and immune to Electric, but Floatzel might theoretically be able to lure Regieleki in from less experienced users? I can't imagine most of those would be concerned about a water type when they've got the fastest mon in the game and supereffective STAB moves.
Wait it keeps STAB? I thought regieleki got electric STAB even without being electric type because of its ability, which gives it 1.5 boost, the same as the STAB boost
I don't remotely play pokemon anymore, but I'm just glad my boys the regis got their time in the sun, even if it was by Gamefreak making this busted menace
Honestly, what were Gamefreak thinking when they balanced Pokémon based on a lack of coverage moves, and then proceeded to let Pokémon change type to whatever and have a 80 damage move of any type in the very next generation.
Maybe some niche checks could be Rhyperior with lightning rod or Raichu lightning rod tera ground. But that still sounds like ur giving up more than gaining. With rhyperior your gunna want to run Pure Rock, (because special attack boosts are meaningless) and with Raichu tera ground is really only good in that situation. Which is like, you might as well take regielecki on you own if you have a Pokémon that is there for the sole purpose of countering him. It will be oppressive for sure.
Regieleki getting banned at mach speed is pretty on brand
True, gotta put that speed to use somehow
From ou though.... its in ubers.....
Adapt ffs. Smogon full of cowards
@@Kaheiyattsu221 you can't adapt when you die before you can. This thing just outsped and bootyfucked everything in sight with the click of a button. It ruined offense and stall alike because offense couldn't outsped it and was to frail to take it's hit while stall just took massive damage from the boltbeam coverage this thing got via terastalization.
@@Kaheiyattsu221 It's almost as if counters were incredibly specific and not always reliable therefore weren't a good idea or wasted a pokemon a lot that could hurt the focus of a team you wanted to actually use and made team building boring 😊
Flutter Mane and Houndstone: It took less than 3 days for us to get banned.
Regieleki: ONE SECOND HAS PASSED
*distant zooming sounds
Gas gas gas
and didn't Houndstone fall down to OU after the banning of Last Respects? I assume they banned Last Respects either in reaction/in preperation for Swift Swim/Adaptability LR revenge sweeper Basculegion, and let Houndstone live but only be able to use LR in UBERs. Regieleki really just trolled everywhere
ZA WARDO
Later:
Miraidon, shadow calyrex: It’s kinda lonely in AG
Eleki: ONE HOUR HAS PASSED
I’m pretty sure eleki is the fastest quickban in OU, it’s either that or marshadow. Also electrode got banned from ZU for acting as a leki at home with boltbeam and pivoting and shows how coverage can make or break a Pokémon which is pretty cool for electrode.
It is the fastest quickban in OU history. It’s quite ironic considering it’s also the fastest Pokémon ever
It's actually kinda fire to see electrode doing well. I love electrode so much
Also Hisuian Electrode's Soundproof invalidates Skeledirge's Torch Song and since that flat fuck is slow, you can set up Agility and Electro Ball
@@im_happily_sadd3730 I legit believe this was the only reason it was even allowed in the first place
@@themiloyt3111 252+ SpA Life Orb Electrode-Hisui Electro Ball (150 BP) vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Skeledirge: 220-259 (53.5 - 63%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
max spdef is one of dirges main sets so not only do you miss the ohko (and get willohexed) but also you do even worse against sub sets, where 2 shadow balls kill you by the time you break the sub one hit, hit it to 25% the next. And then there’s the horrible opportunity cost of running electrode when you could be using a mon that trades speed for a main attacking stat over 100 (or get more of both with booster valiant)
What we expected : Ice types will transcend their many weaknesses through Terastalization.
What we actually got : Regieleki Terastalizing into ice to rain death and destruction on the opposition.
Ice is a "glass cannon" type - great offensive capabilities but awful defensive ones.
Ice-type Pokemon fare A LOT better in fast sweeper roles than bulky ones
@@Oscarus4250 yet they keep trying to make bulky ice types work with much fail
Congratulations Regieleki. You are the first ever UBER Regi, and the only one of the group considered good.
Regigigas is fuming rn
@@patrickburton1401 punching the air
After 5 turns
Draco is decent, right?
@@FlatlandsSurvivor that's true, but not broken in any means.
put some respect on my scarf tera dragon dragon energy redidrago
regieleki bouncing around is also the single most adorable animation in all of pokémon
I can see why you would like it.
Personally I like totodile's animation more.
skitty is more adorable
Thats why i named mine Happy Eleki. Hes just a tiny, happy electro guy and i love him
From what is left of all the animations we got in the old days of pokemon Stadium or colloseum.
Nowadays we are lucky if the Pokemon barely moves on a physical attack.
It's also why I love Spoink. Just silly little dudes bouncing around
As False Swipe Gaming said, sometimes speed IS everything. Even if you cut it's offenses down it'd still be stupid because it can basically always hit first, has set up moves first, and just can't be stopped now. You don't need overwhelming power if you ALWAYS get some value just by switching in.
And it has that power anyways!
Speed means nothing if you just get KOed on switch
@@CobaltCruiser If you're hard switching into an attack with Regieleki, we have a word for that. It's called "throwing".
Especially for special attackers. It's high time for a special intimidate
@@CobaltCruiser there is an entire archetype of pokemon dedicated to solving that problem, they're called pivots.
@@CobaltCruiser Volt switch apparently does not exist
I know this is mostly for OU, but Ubers has a VERY Frustrating Combination up ahead. If Miraidon is such a threat, imagine comboing it alongside a BoltBeam Eleki that can even utilize the Electric Terrain Mirai sets up for even more Electric Power.
Either way, at least the ban for it was done... but it'll show just how crazy this initial wave of mons will be.
My AV threads with wish support has been able to handle the duo pretty well till now. But yeah, it's kinda tough especially since Mirai also gets overheat.
Iron treads is already common in Ubers because of miraidon and regieleki doesn't like it. Also being a tera hog in Ubers is a lot worse of a drawback than it is in OU, because even with electric terrain I don't think regieleki is the best tera user almost all the time. Regieleki will be usable for sure but I don't think it will be so devastating.
@@doomknightsepulchure lets just scare everyone w/ scarf bird + tera fight eleki
We can just be glad the thing doesn’t have rising voltage anymore. Though it was definitely one of my favourite sets
@@joellim3434 If it had Rising Voltage... oh my god. Any non ground or ability immune to electric pokemon would be absolutely cooked.
Regieleki feels like it was balanced by its lack of coverage in exchange for it being the first Pokémon to have a higher base speed stat than Deoxys-Speed
That's what happens when a pokemon can theoretically change its typing to anything and use a stab move for said type
That cost Regieleki everything in Pokémon GO, since speed barely contributes to stats
As crazy as a lot of pokemon get
I'm still pro Tera
Yes, thank you, we all watched the video.
@@Grumpisaurusnot everyone get terablast, you only needed to not give him that move to make him way more balanced
Regieleki was so fast at climbing ranks in OU that he accidentally went into ubers
Edit:Thanks for the 163 likes guys
typical regieleki
He zoomed up the ranks too far. R.I.P (Rest In Piss)
@@unoriginal2552 well he did make some people piss themselves
I ran a fun set with Rapid Spin, Espeed, Explosion, and Wild Charge. It had Tera Normal to amp up its power if need be. The niche of just being able to Explode for momentum fit my first team really well, and its power was good.
And then the very next day it got banned.
Espeed on the fastest pokemon seems overkill
@@opo33333lets you play around sucker punch from Chien pao
Could be a decent set in Ubers once all the strong priority spammers are in there
Smogon sucks.
This is probably why they took away some old moves like Hidden Power in gen 8, if Hidden power still existed Leki could've thrown around HP ice at ground types and been much better at that time, but giving it an 80 BP STAB Ice-type attack with the tera mechanic? Yeah, that was obviously too much.
I think the cause and effect is the other way around - they decided to cut hidden power, and then realized they could design a mon like regieleki
I think it's a coincidence GameFreak doesn't really seem to balance their games like that 😂
@@ascendant0879 well balancing pokemon with now pokemon home would be very difficult, idk how many pokemon are usable rn but it must be quite a bit
@@hi28 Things were a lot more balanced just a few years ago.
@@ascendant0879 Agree. GF also doesn’t really care about Singles so no need to "balance" something that only affects the single battles. Not to mention stuff like Zacian or Dracovish.
It took 20 years but Regigigas finally made a child that is an Uber
What I find incredible is that this electric demon was one of the many pre-HOME council votes for whether it should go straight to Ubers or not, and it missed the majority vote by 1 (6 Uber, 3 OU, 1 abstain), so it got to start in OU. How on earth did they not see this coming with Tera in the game? I guess it worked out since the fastest Pokemon ever gets the fastest ban ever, but still, nice job, lol.
They saw it coming, but they didn’t want to ban a Pokémon based entirely on theorymonning, especially since there is a process for dealing with overpowered Pokémon (ie emergency quickbans)
they definitely saw it coming, but were most likely going by the philosophy that it never proved it’s brokenness in an official ou tier and therefore we shouldn’t ban it until it has proven its power. they could afford to let it in for a day because SPL doesn’t start until Monday, so it won’t have any real repercussions in tournament
Flinchinator, one of the council members, outright said that they know its probably busted but they want to give it a chance in OU since its never actually been busted in any OU tier before. Since it really wasn't that good in gen 8 and was close to falling to UU.
And it is worth noting that the last vote, the abstain one, was by FlamingVicting who probably wanted to put it un Uber but refused by principle to decide to vote Uber before the mons were tested
finch said that it may be busted but it has never been ou viable really so it was prob worth a try to see
Singles player finally get to feel our pain in vgc with how fast regieleki is
We always did…
Just not to the crippling extent you did my doubles friend (especially seeing as it was both the faster mon AND had speed control anyway).
the pain was people spamming that useless crap in SS UU
@@darthhydreigon820 regieleki best Mon ever
@@darthhydreigon820 it was uu for one month dude. It rose to OU till last tier shifts where it dropped to UU. No one spammed eleki more than a week.
The only way I am able to beat it is to bait it to use Volt Switch (or any other electric move) on you as you Tera Ground and kill it afterwards. But using a Tera only for Regieleki? Dont know what to think about that. It works tho :D
It sucks that, in VGC, worlds will be played in regulation D which allows all the Pokémon from Pokémon home into the format. Regieleki, being so insanely fast and strong, invalidates at least 85% of Pokémon just because it out speeds them even in tailwind or with a choice scarf, not to mention that regieleki has access to speed control in the form of electroweb which hits both targets and lowers their speed by one stage. It’s only base 55 but the fact that it’s STAB and boosted by transistor makes it deal way more damage than you would think
Yahh it was already great as speed control in doubles. I don't even play Pokemon anymore but I wouldn't be looking forward to it if I was.
ngl a part of me wished pkm home didn't exist, at least rn. early s/v vgc and OU was so fun with all the chaos, new ideas for the new mons, etc. It was fun to not be forced to use old common comp staples (looking at you lando-t). not looking forward to OU, i'll be sticking to UU this gen just to avoid all the pkm from home
True. Reg C was still not the best, but I liked the first format better.
honestly cases like eleki are more of an indicator of how badly designed some overpowered Pokémon are and how bad generational gimmicks are in the long term. even though terrastalising is more interesting than the crap dynamax mechanic, gamefreak have proven time and again (even in this gen with with the likes of miraidon existing or last respects, rage fist being ludicrous with their max caps being way too high) that they are not good at balancing their game for PVP (heck their not even good at balancing their game from a single player perspective as well).
@@Oh-Ho-Hello if you REALLY want to avoid the home Pokémon pu is for you
The fastest ban for the fastest mon. Its like poetry, it rhymes.
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shoutout to regice for being the second best ice type regi.
It’s crazy how some Pokémon get banned in OU but forgotten in Ubers. There may need to be another tier added.
Well, that's because Ubers are ban list first and tier second.
@@MaxBurnHeart Yeah but it’s like once some Pokémon gets sent there then you never see them again due to better much more stronger options being available. From what I’ve experienced Regieleki is still hard counters by Fire/Steel/Ground which is quite prevalent in the Ubers tier.
Ubers UU wen
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 Now that would be a nice concept to balance out the Ubers tier where everyone is definitely not “balanced” even among Anything Goes.
uh no.... not an oubl cuz its just gonna b Hyper offense oon steroids... the only mons that get banned are usually offense and that is gonna be broken by default
The first Regi to become Uber.
I'm quite surprised that not many people were willing to run Iron Treads, it's got the typing to not get destroyed by terablast ice, and it still has the usual stealth rock rapid spin stuff the phans have. While yes the typing is quite bad since the weaknesses consist of common types, it can be worked around with the rest of the 5 mons on the team to try and keep tread alive
And then Leki started running Tera water and The became a questionable answer.
You basically explained why not many people were willing. If it's got a lot of weaknesses to common types and you need to have the rest of your team compensate for that then you're already in a bad position before the match starts, as opposed to just using a pokemon that you don't need to have your team compensate for.
iron threads kinda mid tbh
The moment treads dies though due to the whole weakness thing, you’re boned.
Also the eleki user can easily just switch out on a predicted earthquake or such into a mon like corviknight and maintain momentum.
Eleki if their user is competent is also almost never going in anyways unless it has an opportunity to do harm or do something like spread thunder wave.
So most of the time it is treads coming in response to the threat of eleki, which causes problems for prediction and such. Furthermore treads does not like being blasted by STAB ice tera blast
Eleki users might also get some funny ideas and switch to tera fighting or water
@@richdon6233 even Terra water would get shutdown. Ice is only good for being 4x to a lot of checks. Terra blast is slightly weaker than you’d think.
Smogon: Ok let's start home forma-
Regieleki: alrightI'mOut
that actually surprises me with it's limited movepool and terastilization has ground or other resistant options. but with tera blast I guess it can have water or grass element
Tera Ice gives it basically perfect coverage. I think only Magnezone (Electric/Steel) and Frost Rotom (Electric/Ice) resists both.
This was banned in NatDex, a format so much wider... Idk how it could ever be ok in OU.
Boltbeam is almost perfect coverage. Electric +ice/steel are the only types to resist both. But neither of those has good mons nor stops volt switch so eleki just throws its STABs around and then if it hits something it doesn't like it just volt switches out and lets the other 5 mons in its team deal with it.
@@walaceandrade4046moon's ubers in natdex. It's a grossly different meta. So we tested it in ou first, and it got banned in like 26 hours. At least it does not stay for like half a year like certain fish, we should be grateful about this.
@@Gspoink yeah, not saying it shouldnt have been tested, just that i dont really see how someone would not expect it to be broken aswell.
You didn't need to ban Regieleki; just use Terra Ground Terra Blast Infiltrator Dragapult on each of your teams and you'll be fine. /s
Bro that’s the whole reason this thing got banned, you need some specific bs to Ko the guy
@@Bungger, that's why I wrote "/s" after my comment. It denotes that whatever you wrote is meant to be understood as sarcastic.
You're laughing but that's actually how some people argument against bans
@@lukasschmitz9030 didn't see that 🗿🗿
Don't forget about choice scarf lol
Electric-tera glastrier is something like a somewhat ballanced broken version of regieleki.
All you need to run is max hp, max attack and the moves avalance tera blast protect and heavy slam while also running leftovers.
Electric may not be great defensive typying but it is still better that mono ice.
Yo this set is actually fire
idk if she counts as returning since she's only available in Legends but I've been having a lot of fun with Enamorus-Incarnate on the Showdown ladder :D
When making Regieleki, they really did say "Let's make someone faster than Deoxys Speed"
"By 1 point like Pheromosa, right?"
"... By 1 point, right? With offensive stats similar to Deoxys Speed...... Right...?"
deo-s has 180 speed phero has 151 speed.
@@indiradevi6217 I'm referring to how Pheromosa outspeeds the other 150s by just 1 point
I suppose using a base 101 might have been better, idk
@@byeguyssry ah ok . I was just mentioning deo-s is faster than phero by a long shot. its caly who is 150 speed.
Regieleki's offensive stats are just 5 points higher than Deoxys Speed.
Calyrex shadow is about to make gen 9 ubers worse than miraidon ever made it.
it got quickbanned lol
@MidnightEmerald it got quick banned before it could make the tier unplayable sadge. I think it got banned from ubers faster than any previous ubers mon, tell me if I'm wrong sense it got banned in 42 hours after home release.
Regieleki is so fast it wanted to speedrun how fast a pokemon can get banned
Honestly my favourite new Pokémon to use is swords dance rapid strike urshifu, you just click swords dance once then spam surging strikes. I’m just hoping there’ll be no sudden influx of Rocky helmet users because of it
Watch out for leki.... its in ubers my guy. Only banned from ou.
Urshifu will be seeing ALOT of regieleki and miraidon
Punching glove works well with urshifu so rocky helmet won’t be a problem
that's the beauty of punching gloves tho, get a boost to your punch moves AND get an immunity to all contact affects while using punch moves
@@ChrisbieCream urshifu-rapid is OU, just like gen 8
pov slowbro next gen using you for free futureports
Freezai needs to pin a comment explaining that Transistor's 1.5 boost got nerfed to 1.3 in Gen 9, but Smogon devs didn't realized until after Eleki got banned. (not that it would've made much of a difference, but still).
Gets 1(one) coverage move.
Gets immediately banned. R.IP. THE FUNNIEST CLEANER.
Regieleki doesn't have to tera to be dangerous. Just the threat of it potentially tera'ing is often enough to scare ground types from coming in.
no u kinda have to tera otherwise smth like clodsire will just wall you
@@darthhydreigon820 u dont actually there had been many games where i just needed to predict around the threat of tera alone allowing to grap a free volt doing over fiftey to even bulkier mons like gholde. Also clod was on the decline. Also teraing on regieleki is sooo worth it. This is a mon that outspeed booster valiant.
@@darthhydreigon820 did you read what I said?
It unironically threatens ground types with the fear of violence
Honestly? Eleki should have been Exhibit A in a case to ban _Tera Blast._
You can run Eleki without Blast, but it still has that Achilles Heel you mentioned, and with Great Tusk being Lando T 2 in a lot of people's minds, that's more than manageable. But Tera Blast on it is the "get out of counters free" card that Dynamax quickly became and got banned for in Gen 8.
And it's the same deal going on that has Volcarona on the radar right now-without Blast, Volc offense gets walled hard by a consistent category of Pokémon (has Flash Fire and resists Bug). With Blast, it suddenly has 3 separate ways to get around various answers, and all 3 of those ways have wildly different counterplay.
It's time we faced the truth-while Tera on its own is a manageable mechanic, Blast is a get out of jail free card for sweepers who were specifically balanced around a move like it never existing. Practically every offensive Pokémon can get around its biggest issues with the right type of Blast-sans Blast, Tinkaton gets dumpstered by Corviknight, but if Tinkaton picks up Electric Blast it can suddenly whip that Corviknight's ass on a moment's notice while gaining advantage against every bulky water that might also have been used to answer Gigaton Hammer. Tera Blast as a concept might have been okay at 40 BP to make it an effective non stab HP when in use at the end of the day, but at base 80 power is way too strong and reliable for getting sweepers out of being answered/interrupted. It needs gone yesterday.
Specially defensive Iron Treads is looking mighty appealing right about now
my favorite pokemon when home released was tera electric cresselia.
because it have no counters ( when tera ) and dark types ( except kingambit ) cannot OHKO her because of her bulk + recovery + coverage.
It's very easy to counter though, Taunt, Toxic or just boosting your stats easily breaks it.
So funnily enough seaking and lanturn are now the only Pokémon that counter Regieleki without terastallisation! (even though it doesn't exist)
Magnezone kinda worked in sponging hits, but it couldn’t reliably threaten Eleki back
@@featdirty1127 issue is zone is much frailer than other two. on special side.
@@indiradevi6217 plus what I already said about not being able to do much in return, outside of something like body press
I did also wanna go into more detail about ‘kinda’ but got lazy. I more so meant that it can switch in without immediately crumpling like a foil hat
I've loved using an agility, tera fairy, draining kiss magearna because soul heart lets it snowball against against teams without counters
Why agility and not switch gear? Since the latter makes stored power scale quicker.
Just shift gear bro
Never forget the RevEleki, i.e. Choice Band Explosion Eleki to lure ground types
Regigigas: remember son, losing to ground types is gay.
Regieleki: yes father.
Quagsire: "You hear something?"
I was so happy about regieleki coming into SV bc it is one of my favorite mons and my favorite Regi (aside from gigas), so the fact that it got banned so fast hit me like a truck
Remember when finch was defending eleki OU saying that natdex isn't the same as OU and then proceeded to quickban it in less than 2 days
I'm really enjoying Chien-Pao now. There's just so many unique movesets that it can run. It can run Tera Dark Crunch, Tera Dark Throat Chop, Tera Dark Night Slash, Tera Ice Icicle Crash, Tera Ice Ice Spinner, Tera Ice Ice Shard, and even a Taunt Recover Snowscape Ice Spinner stall.
Personally I'm a big fan of Tera Ice Specs Blizzard
Regieleki is now a better ice type than its cousin Regice :)
Damn, you’re not wrong but damn.
@@lazydelibirdit’s worse when you realize regice has electric coverage
The first regi to be uber, Regigigas must be proud
Now imagine in-lore what Eleki would be like without those rubber bands. The funny bouncing neuron would become a force of sheer murder killing Zacians at a passing, microsecond-speed glance.
Yeah i can see why lol. In SWSH the only thing that kept him balanced was the fact that his only reliable attacks were electric, so if the opponent brought out someone who could resist it or was immune, he was pretty much useless and you were forced to hard switch, giving the opponent a free turn. With terrastalization though he can just switch types to anything and use that tera blast thing and use his insane sp.atk stat to wipe out any counter he wants.
I’m loving RestTalk Luna, such longevity, bulk and power. Yes, Corvi blocks mono Normal+Ground coverage, but it’s nothing that Eject Button Galarian Slowking into Specs Magnezone can’t solve
Regice is now the second best ice type regi
While I'm not sure it would be a great answer, there is one ground type pokemon that could do alright against Eleki if it ever comes to SV: Mamoswine. With Thick Fat and Ice Typing, it's a ground type that RESISTS ice and has great attack and bulk, so it could be enough for a niche. Sure Eleki could just switch to a different Tera Type, but that would greatly compromise it's coverage. Thick Fat makes Mamo neutral to Fire, Water would make it walled by water absorb clodsire and Storm Drain Gastrodon, Grass would be good against most grounds but not great for super effective coverage, Fighting would make it walled by Ghost/Ground types, and Steel is also not a great offensive type, especially with T-bolt.
Eleki would very likely still get banned, but if Mamoswine was available at Home's release, it could've had a niche of checking Eleki.
Well see, that requires thinking.
I feel like game freak didn't think about what would happen if they added these pokemon, it power crept the game insanely quickly and the meta will never be the same
They did think, they deliberately made them more powerful so that people would have a reason to use the new designs instead of old ones. Which is fair, but holy fuck not like this.
Atta boy, Regieleki! That's why you're my favorite out of the bunch! 🤣
As for the question, I'm very excited to use my Rock Head Hisuian Arcanine. Head Smash, Wild Charge, Double Edge, and Flare Blitz. I love it. 💥w💥
Tbh I'd probably run Extremespeed over Double Edge but the rest sounds super fun
Ursaluna looks like a better Tusk, ngl. It gets Belly Drum, Drain Punch, and STAB EQ plus Guts. Add Fighting Tera and it's amazing. I have a feeling that it might end up in Ubers.
Ursaluna doesn't have the support potential of Tusk or Lando though, which is what they are mostly played for.
i like how the ban is the way i learn home is finally working.
There was no doubt Eleki would get banned quickly. Even in NatDex OU, which has a significantly higher power level than regular Gen 9 OU, it was banned to Ubers lmao
"Only Arctozolt has ever had electric and ice STAB before." Rotom-Frost is over crying in the corner right now.
What do you mean?
Ah yes, base 70% accuracy ice coverage
It looks pretty fuckin cool when it terrastalizes you gotta admit
You forgot one decent counter. Pawmott. It has volt absorb to stop volt switch and a stab mach punch. With a life orb and adamant nature it near guarantees a one shot on any eleki that tries to tera blast you and you also have drain punch if they try to stall. And if they switch, that's a free revival blessing.
That was my plan to deal with it but unfortunately by the time I got onto showdown it was already banned.
Tera Blast deals up to 75% without a Life Orb or Specs. Pawmot can only switch into it once per game and then you're in a 50/50: either it switches into something that doesn't care about mach punch and forces it out, making it unable to switch in for the remainder of the game.
Or you predict a switch, use revival blessing and get taken out by Tera Blast. It's just not a stable answer at all, and with a Life Orb it's in OHKO range.
@@nicolaistuhlmuller8718 huh. Didn't know it was so squishy. But yeah the goal is to switch into electric moves and then threaten it out with mach punch.
I don't have much knowledge on the Ubers meta right now but I think Regieleki might end up as one of the best pokemon in ubers as well.
Also a slight part of me wants to predict that this might be the first time a previous Non-Uber might go to AG.(I dunno I don't follow Nat Dex)
This shows how strong boltbeam coverage is
When you said Boltbeam I immediately thought of a rom hack called Pokemon Clover because they actually have a move called Boltbeam which is both Electric and Ice type at the same time (wish they would do more multi type moves like that)
I’m looking forward to seeing how the meta adapts to the returning and hisuian Pokémon
One of the regis finally made it into ubers
I have never been so proud in my life
Bruh, can I exist without scrutiny. This time it's not something I did by myself
So this is where it began, the new gimmick here powered up Regieleki so much that it got banned to AG in national dex. (it isn’t available in base game)
Who else was waiting for this? Let's go!!
3:40
Then we have me having Ice Tera Pikachu as my OC in a play-through where it was pretty good even late game
A moment of silence for VGC as they don't have quick bans...
REGIELEKI SWEEP
"How Tera continues to be broken and it's victims mount"
Let's be honest here. Regieleki was put in OU just for memes. Because, you know. It's so fast, it will be the fastest pokemon banned ever.
Not only its movesets from the previous gen is still valid and as strong here, now it's also a terrifying sweeper with very limited counterplay. In short, everybody who had any idea what this pokemon's weakness was could predict it being too strong.
I remember people talking about this when Tera was first announced not even knowing if Eleki would be introduced into S/V
I'm so proud of my boy, finally a regi in ubers. i know his ass will wreck havoc up there if you pair him up with miraidon.
From the other side he now has the powers of a semi-legendary. Since recent generation commom pokemon could be stronger.
But he got his Anime-style strength
Would have been cool if Eleki and Drago existed in Gen 3. It would be limited by Hidden Power and the choice of Ice vs Grass, and no Volt Switch. But with transistor it would still be stronger than zapdos.
With 95 base power Thunderbolt that was gonna disintegrate the metagame. Only needed Hidden power would be grass except if you account for Salamance and Flygon
@@antoinepolnareff8970 mence takes over seventy with tbolt.
@@indiradevi6217 Yeah, but can Okho him
@@antoinepolnareff8970 so what. u cant say rayquaza-mega is not broken because weavile revenge kills it.
@@indiradevi6217 The problem is that you would want him being at OkHo range
0:17 And let’s just ignore Shedinja being in AG due to Wonder Guard…after being able to import one from Sword and Shield.
That's National Dex, not regular OU.
So what I'm hearing is I should start prepping a bunch of tera ice regieleki to sell
If only there was a little friend shaped Pokémon that could completely wall regieleki
Pawmot? That boy takes like 60% if it switches into tera blast
what, I was told terastalization was a perfectly fair and balanced mechanic
I just realized that terrestrial pokemon is basically hidden power but you pick it and get stab. Kinda wish serperior was in this game now.
Remember when everyone was watching an RU game before the servers on showdown switched to allow home mons in gen 9
I am losing it with that Tapu Lele Pons pun.
The only Pokémon that can out speed it is Sand Rush Excadrill.
Even if Regieleki has a Timid nature, it'll have 548 speed, while an Adamant Excadrill would have 550 while Sand is up.
Or you can sacrifice some power to have 604 speed with Jolly Excadrill.
This isn't a perfect counter though, like being neutral to Ice unless it goes for Tera Steel, and by doing that, you're no longer immune to Volt Switch.
Not the only one! Floatzel can do something similar- a max speed Regieleki, like you said, has 548 speed. Swift Swim Floatzel, even with an Adamant nature, reaches 658 speed in rain, and Liquidation is a guaranteed OHKO. It can't take a hit unfortunately, so can't switch in on any electric move- it can take a Tera Blast Ice, though (possible 3HKO), due to the type resistance and Floatzel's passable HP stat.
If rain is down, it can at least get some solid damage off with Aqua Jet. Excadrill is probably a way better counter, since it's a lot bulkier (okay, I love Floatzel, but this thing cannot take hits at all) and immune to Electric, but Floatzel might theoretically be able to lure Regieleki in from less experienced users? I can't imagine most of those would be concerned about a water type when they've got the fastest mon in the game and supereffective STAB moves.
regileki was so fast he broke the record for fastest ban
I hope we get a battle tower in the DLC just for the sheer destruction
YES new freezai video so hype I caught it quick
“Surprising absolutely no one..” - Freezai
“AND TO THE SURPRISE OF ABSOLUTELY NOBODY!” - TCNick3
Tera really shouldn't let mons keep the stab they forsook for their new typing. Doesn't even thematically make sense for it to be that way
Wait it keeps STAB? I thought regieleki got electric STAB even without being electric type because of its ability, which gives it 1.5 boost, the same as the STAB boost
Agreed
@@connortg5 Yeah it keeps STAB. The 1.5x boost from Transistor is on top of the STAB boost
@@tomcrawley3343 Honestly that's criminal.
@@tomcrawley3343 damn
Yeah, I think everyone knew this would happen. It wasn't a question of if, but how fast
Regieleki really used agility 6 times with choice scarf said "kachow" and zoomed out of ou
Regieleki speedrunning getting banned.
Can't wait for the better Bundle in VGC to be everywhere
I don't remotely play pokemon anymore, but I'm just glad my boys the regis got their time in the sun, even if it was by Gamefreak making this busted menace
I love Kyogre he is a beast with drizzle thunder and earthquake
Honestly, what were Gamefreak thinking when they balanced Pokémon based on a lack of coverage moves, and then proceeded to let Pokémon change type to whatever and have a 80 damage move of any type in the very next generation.
Gen 9 meat can pretty much be summed up as. You didn't have to ask on if you COULD you do it, rather SHOULD you do it.
Maybe some niche checks could be Rhyperior with lightning rod or Raichu lightning rod tera ground. But that still sounds like ur giving up more than gaining.
With rhyperior your gunna want to run Pure Rock, (because special attack boosts are meaningless) and with Raichu tera ground is really only good in that situation. Which is like, you might as well take regielecki on you own if you have a Pokémon that is there for the sole purpose of countering him.
It will be oppressive for sure.
Regieleki was banned so Landorus-T may live.
Unfortunate that it will lose the coverage of boltbeam in gen 10 and come back to OU...
I come from the future. In Gen 10, they will give Regieleki Ice Beam and Rising Voltage again.