Positive Discrimination Debate | Katie Hopkins | Opposition
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The Motion: This House Believes Positive Discrimination Is The Best Solution To An Unequal Society.
Katie Hopkins continues the case for the opposition, as the fourth speaker of six in the debate.
The motion was defeated with 177 noes to 98 ayes.
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Say what you will about her, it’s not easy to hold your own in a room full of people who disagree with you. And she did it with humor, wit, and eloquence. Katie Hopkins is one brave woman.
Very charismatic speaker. I just watched the meat eating rights debate, and there was a lot of unhappy people commenting about it.
She's a national treasure
@@mediamisfits3805 She's a racist thundercunt
@@mediamisfits3805She's a racist
@@mediamisfits3805 She's a racist
These students believe in equality as soon as it applies to others.
If you think Katie struggles with inequality... freedom to offend, she has been really exploiting that one for her whole career.
Those students do NOT believe in equality - they believe in equity, which is a completely different thing - it's a marxist idea and they probably don't even know that - they probably wouldn't understand it or the ramifications of such an ideology if it slapped them in their faces.
Exactly brilliant comeback to point out their hypocrisy. They complain about black underrepresentation but would they give up THEIR seats to a black person? They believe in socialism, would they share THEIR grade marks with lower-achieving students? They virtue signal to feel better about themselves so they don't have to give up any of THEIR advantages, which thanks to affirmative action, are getting lesser and lesser.
The Hypocrisy or straight up irrational behavior is epic.
They believe only what benefits them. Accountability is their kryponite.
The ending was perfect "When you get paid twice the amount as the average wage, are you going to hand it back?" --- the answer is --- OF COURSE THEY WILL NOT!!!!
They want a system with a less wealth gap, the outcome is similar.
@@AT2336 History tells us the political systems with the smallest wealth gaps are dictatorships where 95% of the population is living at the brink of starvation. Sometimes more than 95%. Capitalism will never have smaller wealth gaps than the system the Khmer Rouge assembled in Cambodia. We'll never come close to that level of equalitarian society. You get what I mean?
But they will go out on the streets protesting for climate change, for Black Lives Matter and Defund the Police movements so they can feel they are part of the crowd and not an elite...So they can sleep better at night.
And despite their protestations, they're going to have employees, servants, cleaning people, cooks, janitors who do the jobs they don't want to do, and if everyone were "equal" there would be no people to do them. They're completely fake and this is only to "virtue signal" to feel good about themselves when they contribute to the very things they're complaining about.
They're very happy to hand out everybody else's money though.
Oh she's such a lovely Villain! I Love Katie! No.. she's not a Villain but its so very easy to turn her into the Ultimate Villain. Such Bravery, I envy her.
Is there any group more irritating than an American student studying in Europe?
Europeans studying at NYU in NYC, especially Film Majors.
+IbelongtoNYC Probably right to be fair.
Cameron J. Quinn was brilliant on University Challenge (2015-16 season, Oxford student representative and runner-up to Gonville & Caius, Cambridge). I've never had a problem with Americans who spend time over here, in fact; seeing things from a different perspective seems to bring the best out of them.
Ligerpride Yes! Western third wave feminist!
He gets up and says America is killing black people. Fuck that. That doesn't even deserve a response.
There was a lot of virtue signalling from the floor but you know they aren't handing their unequal pay back once they graduate.
Idiot. That stupid nazi feminist insulted the room like 3rd wavers do. Inequality and freedom of positive descrimination are not and was not the same debate here
You can look at my face and facebook or just insult me like 3rd wave feminists do. I will call whoever an idiot is that agrees her side of the arguement had any relevance to do with the debate, I am sorry but she is one of the reason that their team lost. Want to know my personal idea view? or spout insults till I conform. Because most likely my view is more libertarian than yours...
+ja goku Okay humour everyone. Why do we need 'positive discrimination'?
+ja goku "Inequality and freedom of positive descrimination are not and was not the same debate here" ... " ... why should we use positive descrimination in politics to write legislature to outlaw inequality...". In your own words you acknowledge that positive discrimination is linked in worldview to positive discrimination This complaint seems to unjustififed.
"not staying on topic while insulting the crowd unproffessionally is how come their debate team lost" ... "why stack her on the team to make the opposition lose is what I contest too here". I think you misjudge Katie Hopkins' wider intentions, who made the more lasting impact of all the debaters?
"In your own words you acknowledge that positive discrimination is linked in worldview to positive discrimination" I guess you ment inequality instead of positive descrimination. I think the complaint speaks for itself because I thought her approach against the proposal was at the wrong angle. Instead of treating the crowd like childeren and repeating the same sentence 11 times while touching a random student, instead of listening to him after insulting the way he is dressed ruined their chances of winning. Her intentions which will prove my complaint justified, are stupid because we all know inequality is a fantastic thing brought upon through positive descrimination. Imagine if open positive descrimination against the church was outlawed until now and not practiced, the inquisition and salem witch trials would still be going on today, such as the world thinking the earth is flat etc. No one likes hearing their grimm for not donating their money to the poor after they graduate college in any context however thoughts about science and arts being suppressed still unless positive descrimination was done by hystorical figures would have been a much greater point that wouldn't have killed their chance of winning the debate. I think she is too dykie yes. I watched them all but hers first, and all of them had just bad reasoning in my opinion however the opposition had the worst reasoning due to why they lost. Seems like the first girl proposal was a social justice warrior so I hate that crap. and I watched alot of these debates at one time but I can't pinpoint the others just seemed like all 6 were morally wrong on the grounds of Gospel sense, "God is Just, not negative or positive". I don't wanna hear saying blacks don't have the same chance to get into college on proposal side and thats why we should be able to positive descriminate against them and I also don't wanna hear about inequality because of that same reason. inequality with actual examples but the proposal struck gold in this middle class sympothisers. AKA they could not take the heat from Katie Hopkins. I agree with her statements, however I do not like her as a person, but her idea was great one on one. She was trying to get a room to agree with her and I felt she was an idiot with the way she approached that. I do not beleive law makers should be the ones positively descriminating like the opposition, i beleive the people should have a right too
Will you give it back? No, no you won’t, and most don’t even give charitably.....love this woman
Theyre having fun for the first time in their lives
Katie really commands this room, and they don't even know it.
I like Katie, she takes a brave stance, she is not afraid to have a difficult discussion with people who are hard to have conversations with. Health, equality, positive discrimination, and she is authentic. She just points out the reality that they already exist in. Life is not equal, fair, it never has been, and it never will be. I think she just wants to help these kids avoid making bad decisions. And for that I applaud her.
Positive discrimination is actually unlawful. It's not positive for the people it discriminates against, ie: the indigenous people.
@@JohnSmith-vy4lh The OU are really scrapping the barrel inviting scum newspaper employees. She has nothing whatsoever to offer, and she doesn't realise people are laughing at her not with her.
If there ever was a useless eater, she is it lol.
@@JohnSmith-vy4lh give an example
@@girlsdrinkfeck Two people going for the same job. One black and the other white.
If they are of the same ability, the black person will get the job.
My sister who has many secretarial qualifications including all the computer diplomas you could wish for and great references, can't even get an interview for a receptionist job in 4 years. Yet the town is full of immigrant receptionists who can barely speak English.
My sister has to live off a 30 hours a week cleaning job now.
This is down to DEI and ESG and the Kalergi plan..
Positive discrimination is an oxymoron, and in of it's self discriminatory.
@@JohnSmith-vy4lh they're scared of being fined for racial descrimination. Only racists bring up race. Trump rarely mentioned race. Yet bidens admin loves to
I love Katie Hopkins... Absolute legend.. Students are so ignorant to what's actually going on...
I know. We think that these children are superior to us but they are so simple minded
They're educated that way and don't ask any questions.
She gets a 10/10 purely for calling Lord Sugar an "absolute twat".
@John Edwards because his name is Lord Allen Sugar he has a title like Mr or Dr
I used to really dislike this woman, but the more I see of her the more I like her.
She's very entertaining and I love how she deals with the special snowflakes who seem to be running universities these days.
I disagree with her on many things, but that's the beauty of not being an ideologue (which a lot of university students seem to be these days). I can disagree with another person and not resort to calling them a "racist" or a "sexist" or a "misogynist" for not agreeing with me or my ideology.
That's an extremely good opinion and comment. Put very nicely. That's pretty much the way I feel, too.
I agree with you on everything you wrote.
Hugh Mungus yoire a fucking idiot
+Thirsa Lazarus, in the UK we have the section 5 of the Public Order Act so no, it shouldn't happen, especially at a prestige university like Oxford.
In fairness she has improved over time. She really did used to be quite left field and out of place and... well... random. But now, she is still those things, she's become better at working it so she really has improved.
Equality is about EQUALITY OF CHANCES , EQUALITY in front of the law, etc.
As Jordan Peterson said, it's about equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome.
This is probably the only time I will say .........
I'm with Her!
UnathiGX
Doesn't make no difference to her! 😂
Watch a few more and you might say it again
Katie rules! She’s taken such an undeserved beating in the past. It’s good to see her being welcomed to speak in places like this. There’s hope yet
Oxford really did a bad job here at representing themselves. Slight lost of respect. They lost sight of what the argument was and really didnt let the speaker speak. She made a really good point when she said that no one in that room wanted to be equal, they all want to be better. That was a very true statement. But instead of people having a objective and productive exchange of ideas and conversation, they just took jabs at the speaker because they didnt agree. Oxford embarassed themselves here IMO
Exactly. Them being there was the point. If they didn't care about being better and getting ahead, they wouldn't be at Oxford. Not sure why anyone thinks that equality is possible. It's not.
Darth Francium
So, Hopkins caught you with her strawman/presumptive fallacy. It's about equal OPPORTUNITY, not trying to make everyone equal/the same
Just Me
The concept of Social Darwinism has been around for a very long time I think you will find. Im interested to know what your ideas/ suggestions to change society into one that is culturally Darwinian? This woman would have thrown Stephen Hawkings on the scrapheap, great for evolution!?
G M
Well put! Hopkins arguments are full of straw, positive discrimination is there not to make everyone the same, but to offer the same opportunities
Just Me
Let me get this straight - Your saying that Liberals have been going against nature and its ruined the planet/civilisation? Have you not considered that going against nature/conquering it is why your sat now in front of a computer instead of a cave scratching on a piece of slate. By your reckoning, man shouldnt fly because he was not born with wings. Also we have reached a point where we can change nature through DNA. Maybe someday soon you will be able to grow a pair of wings through genetic modification. As for "survival of the dumbest"????? can you explain what you mean by "dumb" because its a very subjective concept, IE: Hopkins hero Trump could be considered "dumb". You need to expand and be more precise with your argument.
The kid in the green shirt is a great example of the new progressives: Shout and yell over people who they don't agree with to make sure opposing viewpoints are not heard.
Kenneth Dillard
You just described Katie Toffkins professional trolling MO perfectly!
She. Literally. Asked. For. People. To. Talk.
Kenneth Dillard kinda like Katie
He needed to be punched in the face, and spend the rest of the semester in Intensive Care.
And if that doesn't work there's always the Covid option.
´When you get paid twice the amount of the average wage, are you going to hand it back?` This final sentence provides lots of food for thought ... brilliant speaker .. might not agree with all that was said but she certainly hit the nail with her last sentence.
I love this speech so much! So true, let people fail, find their own way, fight to succeed. Nobody is the same, that is literally impossible
indeed ,it is ironic humans want a 100% fair society thats a socialistic world like many insects have .... but ill born or stupid individuals often die or are killed by their society for not achieving the minimal
Oxford elitists attacking her is precious.
'Positive discrimination' is an oxymoron, a contradiction, plain and simple. Fighting discrimination with discrimination is like fighting fire with fire!
J. P. Absolutely
Rambo is coming for u😂😂😂
Equity is a better word
Removing Barriers in order for everyone to have equal access
Candy Cane fuck equality
Interesting how she uses humour to deflect questions when she is challenged
LFC YNWA Bad humour. Her only strength is that she is so utterly self righteous that she has the confidence to mock others on anything other than the arguments they are making in a debate. A complete waste of intelligent people’s time.
@@lolly8624 Seems that she talks about accepting perspective meaning her perspective but refuses to openly engage with the perspectives of others by way of deflection through humour. She asks others to get involved but brings it back to her view without any consideration or comments on the views of others. False dialogue really. She can't control a debate but only a room through arrogance and showmanship. Subjectively powerful but objectively transparent. She might think she can control a debate but she's the horse being brought to water by her own choice and doesn't seem to be drinking it. (The horse being her and the water being a debate)
Charlotte Johnson you are a donkey
@@roelinamackintosh5376 Smart and strong then! thanks for that. Have a nice day
@@lolly8624 This isn't a press conference. She's there to push her point and she did it well. They come with a bunch of "gotcha" questions --- many that would take a long explanation as to why they are actually wrong.
Her closing thought was so spot on!
you have to give credit to Katie Hopkins for her bravery.
Shes a great speaker.
She's mint you Brain Dead pricks
@@ozking842 OK my first name is Brendan WHICH MY FATHER BEING IRISH AND MYSELF HAVING BROUGHT PROPERTY WHERE MY DAD WAS BORN MAKES ME VERY VERY PROUD. So can you tell me what is the point of you putting a LINK to somebody I DON'T KNOW 😂😂😂
@@ozking842 acting hard behind the keyboard, meet me and show me how hard you really are and call me a paedophile to my face
So was herr Hitler
@johneddison5906 so to you every great speaker that says something you disagree with is Hitler? 😂 your ignorance set you up for that one Jonny
I agree with about 10% of what she says, but I love her fearlessness, sense of humor, and the unrelenting bitchiness. I think she's crazy, but fabulous.
LovelyReba
Which 10%? The 10% where she states that people like Stephen Hawkings should be "left to die" or just her overall un-british immodesty?
@@wordscontrolminds well said,the way she equated low IQ with the Question about black Americans receiving healthcare was shockingly! I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that,or how she inferred that those less able physically or intellectually should "be allowed to fail"...you know sounds very much like the ideas that directly led to people deemed to be of less intelligence,or of being a burden, becoming victims of so called "euthanasia" from the Nazis...(yes I'm sorry to mention Nazis, but I think it's important to point this out,these ideas are dangerous,our history shows us that),and yes those ideas would have taken Stephen Hawking and his amazing scientific mind from the world,and so many others. Having said all that, I'll now say this...debate is good, don't stop people from debating,it shines a light on the roots of their ideas and gives a chance to openly debate,where society can then as a collective but democratically decide on something,if we take away debate and hearing views we disagree with we take that away....so debate and free speech is vital.
cbeartv00 bless you! Humanity itself is under threat from robots like Hopkins, it’s time to kick back against talentless media parasites like her. Soon come!
@@cBearTV-
You missed the irony in Hopkin's presentation. She is controversial deliberately to make people, shock people, so that they go away thinking and discussing the issues she introduces as relevant today.
@@wordscontrolminds How did you conclude that's what she meant?
"Sit down" "you're boring me already"... great counter argument
well it's not like she's known for her wit. the irony here is that we have someone who doesn't know one of the most populated country is a location, and made a fool out of herself on TV for criticising people who have geographical name while she names her child after said country.
I'm looking forward to the day when we let allow the intellectually weak people like Karen Hopskin to fail. oh wait, she already has.
@Dorian Mode _yawn_ What a lame, outdated, & regurgitated playground insult from an anti-intellectual who most likely flunked high school and has since borne resentment against the intellectuals. As expected from someone who treats books so casually. Try again, kid.
@Dorian Mode I'm obviously referring to the bookworms--whom you mocked--as "intellectuals". Are you missing the top of your brain that something as obvious as that actually flew over you? Ah, no wonder you're a high school drop out. You couldn't even copy a sentence properly. It's "one of the most populated country", not "one of the most populated county". Country is not the same as county. You literally have a copy-and-paste feature built into the browser and you're actually that inept you end up making such a ridiculous blunder. I'm sorry if you're too stupid to comprehend those simple sentences. Maybe if you didn't have such a disdain for books or if people like you and Hopkins had stayed in school, you folks would've known India is a geographical location. LOL! It's funny that you expect me to reply within a given time frame when you pretty much had to look around in your basement for your brain for days before coming up with a response--a lame response nonetheless. 😂
@@GrammeStudio she so eloquently NAILED IT.... those kids to NOT want equality. And no, this isn't a press conference. She's not obligated to answer every "gotcha" question. She's incredibly witty BTW. She's actually known for it. And it was on display today.
@Bill Laswell Does the 'Beano' annual qualify as a book?
I used to buy into the media propaganda and hated Katie Hopkins too, but after hearing her speak, my mind has changed - though not totally.
I still think she's unpleasantly brutal and unrestrained, but I see her as a backlash against an increasingly toxic society, and she's violently trying to grab the wheel from a weak, incompetent driver in the form of political correctness that's gonna crash spectacularly. She does come across as intelligent and charismatic despite this however, and I suspect that the nastier elements of her personality are a reaction to what she sees around her, and a necessary evil in changing it for the better, rather than who she is at her core.
...either that or I'm completely wrong and she really IS a female Vlad the Impaler, a dark, vicious individual that is sadly needed today to fight a greater evil, much as the man himself did with the Ottoman Empire.
Arrogant people like 👍 to control people with politeness . They love 💘 too act superior especially to boost their self esteem. They love attention and act like they are important. Smugness is a sign of arrogance. At least Katie says what she think. does not pretend she's perfect. People more self absorbed a like to act high and mighty. Criticise and laugh at people to feel superior.
I'd go with the latter tbh
Marie Williams I think she is brave and stands up for the liberty that my father and many others gave their lives to win in WWll
One day, you might find that that which you just referred to as "dark"
Is actually the blinding light of Love...
Yeah, maybe a bit soppy, however it's the vein in which the *many* classics she referred were written.
We stand on the shoulders of Giants bro.
@Ruddy Bakewell no I'm a reversed snob . I hate snobs people who act like they are perfect and more important than everyone else. They are hypocrites and think they can act better than everyone else.
She is a great woman in my opinion. She got guts and no fear to say things,very bold statements..
+christopher Pauly Well that's your opinion .
because she is right..
+Christopher Pauly - Her fans, like myself, agree with what she is saying. We don't see it as BS. However, seeing as you know better, perhaps you should get your own column in a newspaper (not sure if she still does that or not) and also be the public speaker educating all of us instead of commenting from your keyboard. The world has done a pretty good job of making it this far making snap judgements, does it really need to change so drastically?
agree
She hates u cause you’re brown so you’re the idiot here
She crazy enough for me to love her
+Darren R They're good at charisma aren't they sociopaths
+roma invicta I don't reckon. The Stepford students here are a bit lacking in personality.
Darren R ..... crazy, bigoted. She laughed at the dead poor kids shoes. Shame on all you wankers who liked the above comment.
peter jones ..... she'd let you drown. Still fuck ?
Do you know how many times I've remembered your comment in these 2 years? xD
Every time I see her being crazy, I repeat ur comment in my head.
One of those things that just stick in your head for years. xD
we need more Katie Hopkins in this World rn
What an extraordinary woman. I absolutely *love* how she presents herself and her views here. Our society may have lost all its balls, but here you can see where they went.
Love her final point about them sitting in one of the top educational establishments with hopes of earning lucrative salaries and asking if they would want to hand back half of their cash for equality.
Great performance and argument!
.. what argument .. ?
This presentation format is fun! Katie managed it well.
Is everyone going to ignore that fact she did not really answer these questions?
I suppose there wasn't time for that ,please do be kind , we're all unequal . Salisbury Park.
Yes. Basically she would not have had the time to make her point if she had answered every question in the room. She had to cherry pick because of the nature of the debate. Did you notice how she gave more weight to hand-clapped questions?
@@jeffharmed1616 only the future will tell if she was right or wrong regarding her endeavors. She's English and has her concerns. My country is beautiful and great.
Her job really isn't to answer questions. This isn't a press conference. She had one goal, get her point across. She did that brilliantly. And the answer is NO!! (those kids will NOT be donating half their salary to charity to be equal).
Wow I agree with every word she's saying! We need more people like her in the world
You agree with how she said it's good that int the US 100,000 black people die prematurely every year simply due to their skin colour?
You want ''the sick to die''......
@@chipbuttytime3396 if u believe in a socialism nation, the sick to die yes , thats how it is in the insect kingdom and theyre 100% socialism , seems lefties cant get to grasp this concept
Oxford Union where the arguments don't matter the clothes you wear are key and the things you say aren't listened to
*****
TOO LATE YOU MICRO AGGRESSED ME! NOW IT MAKES IT OK IF I ATTACK YOU.................
Goose, are you one of those MGTOWs, those long suffering haters of females, those that where the arguments run thin, the ad hominem attacks begin?
Jason Kelley why even have her on!
The Bravest, Smartest And Most Daring DAME In The Whole Of Britain. Since The Honorable Margret Thatcher !
Love to see her as Speaker of the House 😂
Love to see her as pm.
I love how Katie at the end called out their liberal virtue signaling
Loved this. This was funnier than ANY of the actual joke debates they've done
SelfReferencingName
Is it weird that I was hard the majority of the video?
The skeleton of her argument made sense and I agree with it - about wanting to be/have the best and the competition and ultimately the improvement that generates is (mostly) a good thing. How she goes about saying what she does is why I don't really like her. Letting the sick just die or giving up on those with learning difficulties etc is not a good thing, people with advantages should help those less fortunate because that's how the world is made to be a better place - supporting your fellow man in the aim of a better future. Thank you for listening to my TED talk have a nice day
"When you speak the truth, words flow more easily"
Master Oogway!
In her closing statement she nails the truth .
People with degrees from Oxford must carry that banner the rest of their life and
assume they should get paid more than someone who got their degree from a lower level institution .
When she doesn't like a question she tells that individual to "sit down".
The trouble was that most of the questions from the audience were just idealistic retorts.
Why waste time with an ideot. With Limited time to get your points across... With equality you'd have to answer the ideots question and that in its nature is inefficient by wasting time... Therefore ignore the ideot and not waste time. Its common sense to ignore the ideot. If the ideot had common sense, the ideot wouldnt ask the question. I kinda contradicted myself by answering this... Oh well I had fun lol 😂
PAY ATTENTION IDIOT - she told them to sit down before they opened their mouths! Doh!!!!
@@PROTOHYPE.0088 its idiot. Not ideot. Idiot!
@@nuttysquirrel8574 its all part of the show
Katie: "feel free to interact and pipe up"
Also Katie: "SIT DOWN"
right? the irony of someone who doesn't know India is a location talking about low IQ. LOL!
@Cliff Smith Brilliantly so. Amazing.
There's no such thing as "positive" discrimination. Discrimination is still discrimination end of.
Lol.. a wheelchair user having a pass to use a elevator in school is an example of positive discrimination
@@hiimannie6967 No it isn't.
Happy birthday Katie.
She has the nerve to criticize the fashion sense of others and talk about the lower classes while she wears that glittering silver high water pant suit with spray painted clog sneakers. Love it!
I think Katie is a force as she just doesn’t care.
I think she dressed for the occasion: the majority of the audience was a bunch of virtue signallers with mommy issues and low IQ. That's how I would dress for that situation. She was kind enough not to bring the clown mask.
Inequality promotes competition and a desire to improve. Competition produces a better product or service. If we watch a sporting event we don't want it to end in a tie score. We expect one opponent to win and the other to not win. Everyone can't win. We need more Katie Hopkins on this planet!
Katie melted these snowflakes in the first minute! She did an even better job than wiping the cambridge illiberals out! Love it!
the only good job she did was complaining about their outfits like a Karen while she's dressed inappropriately like she's about to go to a dancing party with those glitter.
@Dorian Mode Thinking isn't your favourite thing to do, is it?
@@GrammeStudio No punctuation and an incomplete sentance. you must be American. Spin on the polony.
@Bill Laswell It's a septic (tank - yank).
@@ultravires987 That was one sentence. Too bad you have an attention span of a fruit fly to need punctuation for that. "you must be American"? no article, eh? speak for yourself, American. "sentance"? LOL! What an irony.
her last point is the only point that needs to be made.
people whine about inequality but just want the state to sort it out on their behalf - tax the 'evil rich' and give to the 'unfortunate poor'
why not could out the middle man and give your money to the poor then? people want equality unless it's their money being stolen (taxed) and given away.
This monstrosity is an abomination
Invalid point ! The rich are only rich because they exploit poor .many of the ppl who say tax the rich more are poor
Just Me, another troll on Putins payroll.
You have just copied and pasted the same comment you made above.....
She didn't give an argument for a debate, she gave an after-dinnre rant at a restaurant.
+Ohloveeh She did, and she knows it.
+Ohloveeh She was actually the only person in the room who stuck to the point being discussed, i.e. whether there should be so called "positive discrimination". Everyone else was trying to argue with her about negative discrimination.
That black guy said the dumbest shit.
“If everybody’s somebody, then no one’s anybody!” 🎶
Growing up through high school I used to be an ideologue calling for the socialist utopia but as I get older Katie Hopkins' core argument here holds true - The more money I EARN the more I want to ensure it remains mine and the more I believe in meritocracy. I come from Elgin, a predominantly working-class town in the north-east of Scotland. I could have went to university but decided to go down the apprenticeship route. I am now working within the whiskey industry and through listening to people like Katie, Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro I am the most motivated I have ever been. Complete U-turn from my ultra leftist teenage years and I'm glad the change was made, things make more sense when you come to terms with the unfairness of life. Nobody necessarily wishes to perpetuate unfair and deliberate inequality but the acknowledgement of its reality is ultimately what brings the best out in people, not all the time, but a good portion of the time and I sure as hell want to be part of it. Don't agree with every one of Katie's opinions but a point was well made here and I appreciate the no-holds-barred approach to speaking.
I used to be an anarchist, but I'm alright NAOOW!
I like Katie Hopkins, she's refreshingly honest and brave.
This b**** is raw. Love her.
I think you mean b**** and I think you mean idiotic*
Sean L. is a Russian troll account. They are easy to spot as they all have virtually the same ( if any) content on their channel, with virtually no subscribers and their inability to make a cohesive statement of facts is blatant. They usually just string together a few right wing slogans and almost never respond! I try not to waste time responding to them, just reply by pasting the name ie: Sean L. and adding - "Russian troll account"
+wordcontrolminds pretty much
wordscontrolminds LMAO snowflakes are funny
@@wordscontrolminds Find professional help you schizoid
when I hear the word "equality" my brain automatically translates it to "I exist, so you better give me stuff"
The truth!
I honestly agree with her on Equity/fairness over Equality.
jordan licup I don’t think she agrees with herself
She's pretty epic, really. I keep thinking her attitude and self riteous veneer is going to cave with everyone ganging up on her but she simply fires back unimpeded.
Mountains are epic, she’s a fucking cow pat with a microphone
She made an excellent point here, equality isn't as good as it seems in reality.
Andrew Towell you do have to admit that when someone gets paid millions for kicking a ball round a pitch whearas a nurse gets 30 grand a year then it's a bit too unequal and a bit insane to put it lightly
Of course, just as when you've been searching for something your entire life you get and it's really quite underwhelming, our ideas of things are very hyped up. Doesn't mean equality isn't necassery or isn't needed. Try running a truly functioning and fair soceity without it
I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed, I’m a highschool dropout and doing a trade, but I love katie hopkins and think she’s mostly right. I could never be a doctor or a scientist, I have other strengths that I should focus on if I want to contribute anything to society. (Eg. doing a trade)
J-Dog Robert there is too much inequality though and too much non meritocratic inequality which is not fair at all and I'm not sure if society is functioning very well with it. It's very inefficient in fact when most big companies can get away with what they want such as not paying taxes or destroying the environment. Furthermore, it is damaging to you for example Mac Donalds burgers being purposefully engineered to be addictive but being extremely unhealthy as a consequence. Society would be far better without the degree of inequality we have
Steph and don't put yourself down like that! I'm sure you could've done well if you had done more work or something or if you enjoyed it; not because you're stupid or something. There is very little correlation between achievement and intelligence, people with low iq are known to get A*s and stuff. It's not like I'm saying this because I did badly in school, I did pretty well and still am improving but it doesn't make me intelligent. And it's kinda bullshit that I have to pay over 9k a year to study maths. The system is clearly rigged for the richest to go to the top and the poorest to go to the bottom regardless of intelligence.
There's no greater form of inequality than trying to make unequal things equal.
well done katie, you put the academics in their place!!
I always enjoy hearing her talk. Can't wait to hear her speak in person one day. I hope she comes to the East Coast of the U.S. to talk.
I love this girl she's really on to something. Very clear headed.
That self-reflecting question she asked them at the end was amazing and telling
"Is he ok?" Love it! And then point of order? OMG!
Great fun and very funny a bit more respect for Hopkins as she gets older...
The man at 10:25 saying she shouldn't touch a member of the audience is exactly what is wrong with society. It was only a joke, she wasn't trying to stab him.
Go Katie ! Even here there are MORONS , they need to be brought back to reality. In my book , there is almost nothing to top a good dose of COMMON SENSE _ in all things !
It's frightening to think these people are the future. Thanks Katie for calling them out on their privileged HYPOCRISY.
Was this filmed at Hogwarts?
+Mcarthur Rich No, but some of 'Harry Potter' was filmed at Oxford :)
It is hard to belive this is Oxford , what happend ? I give credit to Kate for trying to debate .
Excellent. Agreed in full.
She schooled them beautifully
Brilliant! Absolutely brilliant argument put forward by Katie Hopkins!
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Opinions are not arguments, esp when delivered like a sgt major from the SS. Opinions are ten a penny, everyone has one, just like we all have an arsehole, except hers stinks.
Both sides are ridiculous in this, the only difference is that Katie Hopkins ridiculousness is funny
I'd just like to say, i love Katie's sparkly suit and metallic silver shoes!
She is a very very good speaker, although I think she is wrong on many things she puts her point across very well and she has an extremely witty humour which makes you want to empathise with her point of view. She likes to use self deprecation which makes it difficult for people to insult her and she is not easily offended unlike the lefty's who cant fathom the idea of someone disagreeing with them. Overall I think she is morally incorrect here, life is a special thing, it shouldn't be about having an 'elite society' and weeding out the weak, it should be about making the most out of the time you have and helping your fellow man.
If 25% of the population produce children who will enter Universities and will prosper and reach the highest standards in the Ivy League Universities then they are our industrialists, scientists, surgical consultants, judges and hopefully our future ministers of state. The present barmy trend of aiming at 50% of all children getting a university education by lowering entry qualifications and allowing them to take Mickey Mouse courses like Media Studies, Golf Course Management and a whole lot of other daft subjects, is irresponsible and totally irrelevant to the economy. Apprenticeships in the craft industries would be the best option for most school leavers and would provide us with a home produced skilled workforce instead of us having to import craftsmen from abroad to fill the skills shortage. There will always be an elite layer in the population and there will always be those who cannot achieve their standard of education, creativity and entreprenurial and management skills. Inequality has always existed and always will. That is how societies work efficiently. Look at bee or ant colonies as just two of thousands of lower animal societies. They have an heirarchy and they are extremely efficient. make universitiy education available for the elite who are capable of benefiting from it. The average people should follow a trade. The educationally challenged few who are left can do the labouring jobs or enter the service industry
10:15!!!! GET A FU****G GRIP PAL SHE HAS'NT GOT THE PLAGUE!!!
If someone doesn't want to be touched, then they shouldn't get touched, shut the fuck up
8:07 Men couldn't vote either 100 years ago, dunce.
Andybaby yeah they could
It was property owners.
In Australia in 1854, a miners' protest about the licence fee and their political rights resulted in a rebellion in which both soldiers and miners died. Following the rebellion, a number of the miners' demands were met, including their right to vote. Men had to fight and die for their right to vote as much as women had to. During the 1880s, the women's suffragette movement gained momentum. This movement was based on the belief that democracy, in its truest form, could not be achieved until women had the same electoral rights as men. In 1894, the South Australian Parliament agreed and the remaining colonies gradually came to the same view.
Leading by example, Australia helped to pioneer the recognition of women's suffrage internationally.
In 1924, to improve the low rates of voter turnout, amendments to the Commonwealth Electoral Act 1918 were made. Compulsory voting was introduced and this resulted in a dramatic increase in voter turnout at the following election.
Isn't it interesting that once given the right, that they needed compulsory voting to get people to be involved? So much for equality.
We could ALL learn a bit from her. How to take criticism and deal with negative feelings towards us. No Snowflakes!
Nobody has more right to breath oxygen more than anyone else
I've become a fan of Katie Hopkins!
Ambrose Rodriguez then wtf is wrong with you
Good luck to you Ambrose keep supporting the vermin
I know she is so cool
Shes got bigger balls than a lot of men !!! Go katie u are a star
Very impressive performance from Katie i didn't realist she was such i realist.
Why is she commenting on what people are wearing instead of answering their questions?
Thanks Katie Hopkins. Everytime I solve a problem, I know what the problem was to begin with!
I LOVE THIS WOMAN. I WISH MORE WOMEN WERE LIKE HER! SHE IS SO BRAVE AND SO RIGHT!
As a man see would put me in my place.ha ha .
She is an English hero. Not afraid of honesty and frank speaking, so doesn't have to adopt a popularist liberal narrative like all weaklings do in society. Positive discrimination is discrimination. If you make allowances for one section of a community (positively discriminate), then you are discriminating against others. If that's allowed to happen standards would fall. People need to get their head round equality. It should mean that 'if' a person is able to be equal, then they should be treated equal. But if a person is not able, then why should they be given consideration above a person who has put in the hard work. Equality already exists, e.g all people who have the right experience, skills and qualifications for a job, will be given equal consideration and treatment. But the Liberal PC brigade, want certain sections of the community to receive the same consideration without such personal and professional qualities. That's absurd and will lead to the degradation of any society that allowed it.
Why don't we just euthanise anyone with "IQs" below 80? Isn't that what you and hook face are espousing?
Dont be so absurd. People of all IQs are equal, but positive discrimination makes some more equal than others.
The reason it's an interesting issue, is because the idea that "everyone is equal" and "equality already exists" doesn't actually reflect on reality. Women and minority groups are few and far between when it comes to things like high ranking business positions. If your logic is correct and everyone is treated completely equally, this would not be the case. For example, some may choose not to apply for a position or university place because they do not think they will get in, often partially based on experience they've had regarding their ethnic background or gender, whilst also not seeing much of their own gender or ethnicity in that field. This is a vicious cycle in many cases. Interviewers have also been found to have subtle bias's when it comes to how they perceive potential employees, favouring those who are white, male and or have a private school education demeanor of confidence. In this sense, the aim of positive discrimination is to be a temporary boost to certain groups, in order to create a truly representative array of people in every role or job artificially. This does sound ridiculous, but it is done to break a cycle that creates real inequality that is very much palpable if you look around. It's not favouring one group over another as a moral stance, it's doing so with a means to an end, a temporary bandage to kick start representative diversity. I understand that this is a contentious issue, but I urge you to look again at the pragmatic side of this argument and the real reasons why it is argued for.
I see your argument, but there are practical examples if positive discrimination where allowances are made not just to encourage diverse applicants, but to change the very basic requirements that are considered necessary to perform a particular job. I.e foreign taxi drivers allowed to pass a lower standard knowledge test to gain a license. And years ago, changing the height requirements for police officers, so as to encourage more females. I dont mind standards changing if its in the best interests of the role. But not for political correctness. Thats ludicrous.
This is an issue that positive discrimination has, it works far worse when you justify concrete rules with it as it draws a line that is always contestable. If a job truly requires a certain biology, like height or weight, I can see why editing that standard is dangerous. However, when it comes to things like education and business, things that are supposedly based on merits, women and minority groups are locked in a cycle that's very difficult to remove artificially without seeming bias in favour of them, whether that's feminism or black lives matter or whatever. It makes certain causes seem racist or sexist, when they are trying to rebalance things. I do see your point of view, this is a difficult topic with some very abstract concepts so finding a hard line to sit on without criticism is very difficult.
There's no equality and will never be because we are humans and its nature. Stronger is the winner. We try to be better, try to overcome our greed, jealousy but it's not possible to wipe it out from our nature because we would fail. We would be used by others. Life is NOT equal. Totally agree with her!!👍
The last 30 seconds is all you need to hear.
Ayn Rand is grinning from ear to ear somewhere.
I LOVE THIS WOMAN............BIGGER BALLS THAN ANY MAN I KNOW.....COULD DO WITH HER IN GOVERNMENT.....WHOLE COUNTRY IS BEING PUSSIFIED
+Black British if Katie Hopkins owned a boarding house / B&B in the '50s - '70s she'd have signs up in the window saying "No Blacks, Irish or Dogs". Old attitude, new "enemies".
@@EmilyRose1 those little delicate balls fuck you up for 9 months and leave you howling in agony, seems like they ate the more powerful... lol.
She really knows how to command an audience lol!
she's just straight being rude
@@bhimpaldagar2825 its funny and gets her point across, the opposition are ready waiting and closely listening to something to get offended about, which directly makes them listen to her argument. Its just a clever move
@@bhimpaldagar2825 Not at all. That's the format. You have 10 minutes or whatever. This isn't a press conference and she's not obligated to go down ever "rabbit hole" presented by the snobby students. The BEST part is these kids NEED someone to smack them in the mouth (figuratively speaking of course) as they have people telling them how brilliant they are 24/7. She humbled them.
Its easy to command an audience when you're staying things like that. Was food for thought though.
She made the great point in the last 5 second of the video.
No sit down your too scruffy..... hilarious 😂😂😂
Loved Katie from the beginning. She's one of my heroes.
Re-evaluate your life choices for your sake lol.
mine too. she taught me that i'm not a victim. modern feminists want us to feel like victims and hold us down.
man up, as hopkins would say and seize the world!
Why TF did I get a impeach trump ad?? I love my POTUS
321 people need to sit down