It's unbelievable how you brought the Titanic to life here. We've come a long way from just reading about the details in a worn out old paperback book in the 1960s. It's pure art in motion.
This is why the Titanic has so many passionate fans: one never stops learning about her. My whole respect and gratitude to every member of the team. Blessings. 🙏💜
I think the the reason why we can't see saloon table lights in photos is because pretty much all the photos were taken with daylight natural light sufficently lighting the tables. Those sallon table lights were only used when natural light was insufficent to properly light the tables, like during an evening dinner. A simple yet logical answer.
I'm an audio-dominant, not a visual. I will defer to the visuals. The Titanic was planned with excruciating detail. If the lamps were, indeed, used, the planners would not drape the cord across one side of the table. This would be an aesthetic and safety issue. You could see what a problem this was when looking at some of the saloon pictures. Chairs nestled up to the small table confronted an electrical cord dangling. And aesthetics was paramount. However, I did not see any holes in the center of the table, which would accommodate the pesky electrical lamp cord. P.S. "Honor and Glory" is truly a Rembrandt, Smithsonian stuff.
@@kimjay481 well they do their best with the small ammount of resources they have. As for the tables, it is difficult to tell without actually seeing one up close. I think the best they could do right now is to look at a table with similar features.
I am glad to know that a letter from my countryman Ramón Artagaveytia is useful for the 'Titanic: Honor and Glory' Project. He was one of the three Uruguayans aboard the Titanic.
Guys, you are ultimately the best team of Titanic researchers. Please don't be put off by the minor inconsistencies. The job you've done is so grant. It's just colossal, gigantic! Thank you for all the patience, time, effort, professionalism and soul you put into this. You gave us - the Titanic lovers - a unique opportunity to walk down the halls and cabins, and boilers of the ship we've never seen in reality. And thank you for this additional yearly research - this is so captivating!
I would love to see all these spaces filled with the nice detail Gio adds to his renders. Table cloths, pillows, antimacassars, table lamps, rugs... and flowers, lots of flowers! And Palms Everywhere, grand staircase included!
Maybe in an effort to finish the game, it would be quicker to invent a time machine first so that you can go back and photograph everything and send it in a letter to your current self
The new Scotland Road is explained clearly why most of the people disliked it. It looks like an exterior crew area (like the well decks) turned inside the ship. Much more industrial than just a corridor. I would not be surprised if there will be evidence later for warning signs painted on the walls, like in the firemens tunnel. White corridors make so much sense that I already forgot they were oak in the earlier depictions. People tend to forget that the Titanic was a product of practical engineering, allowed easthetics only where it not decreased the functionality.
I already know I'm gonna hate the white A-Deck corridors, the revolving doors stand out too much with white walls, looks massively out of place. Accurate or not :D
Another mistake is in A-37: this cabin was occupied by Francis Browne, a trainee priest and, more importantly, the person who took most of the photos of the Titanic as a passenger. As a tribute, THG has placed a Vest Pocket Kodak in this cabin. However, it has now been established that Browne used film that does not fit this camera. This rules out the Vest Pocket Kodak, although it does not clarify which camera Browne actually used. It was certainly a more serious camera than the “VPK,” which was intended for snapshots. Perhaps a trivial detail, but could THG place a camera in A-37 that honors Browne’s work and the film format he used, such as a No. 3 Folding Pocket Kodak?
The white corridors makes 100% sense. Titanic's design is all about light. The windows were very cleverly designed to get as much light in as possible, and a white varnish would help brighten it up even more.
We have photos of Olympic's being natural oak in 1911 and 1920, but they were eventually painted green to match the new paint scheme for the Grand Staircase in 1933. There's also a watercolour sketch from 1912 that shows the aft corridor as natural oak.
@@Titanic_401 I wouldn't use that watercoulour painting for much since it its very sketchy and abstract. As for the photos we have from olympic they always barely appear, but yes, they do look oak. But the same applies to other spaces, like the boarding entrances, that remained oak on Olympic. Wouldn't be surprising if, along with the boarding entrances, they would also paint the corridors (with the same panneling style) white. Perhaps just an experiment, like with many other things on titanic. Also have to take in mind the enclosing of the A deck promenade, which would have made the foward corridor somewhat darker.
I had suspected that the A-deck corridors were white considering how nearly every other companionway was white panelled with lino tiles. I wouldn't be too surprised if many spaces usually depicted as oak panelled were white.
Surely how they were carved would hint if they'd get a white wash? Maybe someone that knows carvings would know if something was too detailed to paint and look good.
There's actually something I noticed, which I believe to be incorrect. It's just a detail, but... I noticed in demos about the 1st class lounge that when you zoom in the big oval chandelier in the centre of the room, (you certainly did a wonderful job in reproducing the cut glass) but I noticed that the golden frame supporting it is flat and smooth, whereas it should be engraved. I also clearly noticed that at 1:46 in "The Final Hours of the Titanic" published in April. So I compared your chandelier with the Olympic's original one, displayed at Cutler's Hall in Sheffield. There are many pics out there that show all the incredible details of that wonderful chandelier (It seems to me that the frames between each piece of glass have some leaves motifs engraved). Again this is a small detail, but I always loved that chandelier so I immediately noticed it. I think this might be a great addition to the project, to make that chandelier even more realistic and historically accurate.
I would think the table lights would be powered by a socket sunk into the floor that's covered by a small hinged brass plate when not in use . . . the sort of thing you see in 'National Trust' houses in the UK - I shall try to find an example next time I visit one of the right era !
He still had the wrong model. There were old hints of the À la Carte restaurant possibly having lights with pink lampshades on the tables. Seems like they were used in both rooms.
3:51 Thank you for the inclusion of the photograph of Ramon Artagaveytia. I have read about him in a few Titanic-related books (including his survival in 1871 of a burning ship and his recurring nightmares) but the authors never included a photograph of him. So I’m seeing him for the first time in your video.
"I have watched Downton Abby... so clearly I'm now an expert on Edwardian table manners"~ Ok.. that was a great evening chuckle. Hey.. if you read this comment... one thing this old Coast Guardsman noticed was the ships forward binnacle. On either side you appropriately placed the masses for adjusting for any deviation caused by the ship to the compass... but... there isn't really any adjustment. There should be more than a hole for these masses as they need to actually be... well... adjusted. One thing you could do that might assist people in really geeking out on this small point is to perhaps get some images of the ship's compass on the wreck and see if you can see where these are actually adjusted to in the tracks. I have even sometimes seen it where one of these masses was turned upside down. Again, the purpose of them was to adjust for deviation... magnetic declination caused by the mass of the ship. They would do what ever they needed to to get this right. It would be fun to see them not only be able to be adjusted... but to actually be where they were on the actual titanic binnacle.
The work, detail, heart, precision and passion yall have invested into this is amazing. Id say release this version for the fans to enjoy until you fix what you have discovered is wrong. I cant speak for others but im fascinated with the beauty and depth, im curious to see what all has been done and to actually play it along with the sinking version would be amazing. I bet if you sold this people would buy it in support. I would for sure, I have been waiting for years to see this release. But I know how important it is to get accurate results...
As for mistakes, there seems to be typos still. I spotted one 'Gentelmen' sign in the C-Deck 1st class port side corridor between cabins C. 76 and C. 126. This is in the Final Demo 401.
Sunday dinners! Sunday dinners were back in a day a very important part of the week and still are today. There are even a pre WWI sunday dinner cookbooks written with complete menus. In her interviews, Edith Russsell mentions quite a few times gala dinner and how strict were WSL rules especially on sunday. Also if we compare other dinner menues, the sunday one really follows the traditional french menu with palate cleanser and game. Placing table lamps and flowers on special sunday dinners makes sense!
While I love the demo, one room that I found pretty inaccurate is the engine room. But that is me speaking as someone who is mariana trench deep into all the available pictures & drawings because I am modelling the engine myself. Your version is correct overall, there are just some inaccuracies in the details. But I also understand that this room might not be a priority and it is awesome that there is a fully discoverable 3D-model of it at all.
Interesting that you say the Turkish bath had mirrors placed behind the lattice for the portholes but was moved inboard, but considering how they backlight the interior stained glass in other parts of the ship might they have had some backlighting there to make up for the move and still keep the space lit as desired?
I can't believe James Cameron himself swam to the bottom of the ocean to recover one of Titanic's Dining Lamps for you guys. He's truly raising the bar.
I'm really not sure about the dress code. I think there are references to Titanic passengers wearing formal clothes. As in general, as far as I know in the interwar years at least, formal evening wear was required except on the first and last evening of the crossing.
Not disputing the table lamps, but would they have been used at all during the voyage if they weren't a permeant fixture at meals? If not then u could just leave them out. Unless the Titanic experience in T:HG is not set at any time during the voyage and it's just there to show off the ship at her absolute best?
I have always argued that titanic had table lamps in the dining salon. Lightbulbs were in their Infancy and dim compared to today’s bulbs. Granted they’d be removed for breakfast and lunch as daylight prevailed but in the evenings it was Edwardian etiquette to have evening lighting on the dining tables in the form of candles or lamps. It enhanced the table, food and ladies complexions. Glad to see them added.
On table lamps: having protruding plugs on floor would greatly limit how you could arrange tables. But if positioned in lines, you could have individual tables lined up over plugs, or one long banquet table over the plugs, but you would have to have such banquet tables over all such lines of plugs otherwise people would trip over them of some of them don't have a table over it. Having such plugs would preclude moving tables to the side to have some dancing in the middle for instance. If this had been a feature requested by "marketing", then one would think that any publicity shot of the ship would have featured lamps on each table . If there was a cord, how was it routed down? hole in centre of table? With a hole in middle, cable would be all neat and out of way, but changing tablecloth would ve a real hassle. Trying to figure out how they would manage such lamps might give a clue of what to look for in those photos.
@@JWRogersPS Thanks, if tables are bolted down, then having plugs becomes much more feasible because you truly have a fixed configuration of dining room.
For me it's about 2nd Class. The library seems a "copy and paste" of Olympic's. You guys have found that Britannic had a different wood paneling pattern. I truly believe that the pattern that was going to be used on Britannic was the same used on Titanic as it was short lived, so would be something "new". About D deck aft staircase foyer - Those closed doors leading to the corridor and cabins don't make sense. If 1st Class had open on the top of the *Grand Staircase* so why would *2nd class* have it closed? Did Lawrence Beesley mentioned a door on the corridor of his cabin? Well, I don't know. I believe it was open and the corridor spaces between the staircase foyer were just like 1st class staircase on E deck.
In the time it’s taken to make this game is the time people could have probably built the olympic class trio in real life 😂 (no hate tho the dedication and passion is very admirable)
What I further wonder is are there cues I'm missing because I've never been on a ship? All I've ever heard about is some carpet pattern in fish that swim to the bow on a modern cruise ship.
Its hard enough figureing out how an area looked with a decent number of photos. I like studying local history so often have the luxury of a decent number of photos, even footage but even then its often not enough. Theres always blind spots even in a moderately well photographed area. The popular angle photo is a common blessing and a curse. Some cases you have no clue where in the area the photo was taken or if it is even of that area.
@@ThunderClawShocktrixInterior wreck exploration found the remnants of the piano in the starboard corner no doubt. Nothing that would necessitate a NDA.
So, the real tough dilemma is to hazard a guess at when THG will be released as a finished game! All the sound effects have to be completed yet from door hinges to footsteps along different surfaces in different spaces and places. Then of course all of the passengers have to be modelled unless R.M.S Titanic is going to be a ghost ship!..plus all and any finer elements of detail such as over-head light bulbs all have to be changed and rendered in. So quite a lot of work yet that could be another 24 months of programming! _2026 THG Goes Gold!_ (released.......maybe!)
Really interesting! Is there any evidence that the soft iron correctors on the compass were red and green? In my experience they are usually black or unpainted when they are manufactured and get painted by the crew later on. This serves no purpose as the correctors are interchangeable and sometimes one or both are removed depending on the deviations during a compass swing. 😊
Interesting. I wonder how something as long as Scotland Road could be adjusted for Kyle's hull in the final game. I can see minor adjustments to existing rooms but, would Scotland Road's model have to be redone entirely? Just curious.
Hmmm. The render of Olympic's à la carte restaurant in her first season shows the large light fixture with the center being open whereas a beam and columns now bisect the space and all light fixtures are the same. Was the model based on the artist's rendering in promotional material, or was this the original layout before the restaurant was extended?
once the video game is officially released would you guys ever make all of your research public? I'd love to look at all of it I may never sleep again! ❤
I've asked this before. What definitive proof (if any) exists for the 1st class smoking room upholstery being green? I know Olympic's was green with tan tiled floors and titanic had red/blue tiles but I've seen in quite a few documentaries, tv shows, recreations, etc that Titanic had red or burgundy upholstery..?. It would look better with the tiles IMO and since there was green upholstery in many other public spaces, it would look nice to have some diversity in interior design Just mainly curious. I am in no way criticizing the fine work your team does. Thanks! Oh, and the white painted lounge corridor walls? I'm really digging that change. I think it makes complete sense making Titanic more modern and the lighting issue. Well done.
Im pretty sure that in a hidden corner somewhere, James Cameron secretly watches his and feels vindicated over their being lamps on the 1st class dining scenes to illuminate his film
Unless a deep dig of the remnants of the saloon is possible (like in actually digging through the sediment and debris) judging by the only known photograph of the Titanic's saloon there were no lamps installed.
@@Garsons-oq4lhthat photograph was taken during breakfast on the 11th. There would be no need for lamps to be used in broad daylight. It is still highly possible that there were lamps, however were only brought out on occasion.
@@TitanicLover401It makes no lick of sense to wait until dinner to cart out lamps for each table. Why not just leave them out as they needn't be turned on during breakfast and lunch. But the answer lies within the wreck. I don't believe any sets of lamps belonging to a saloon have been photographed or recovered though.
@@Garsons-oq4lh White Star Line operated their ships with tradition and formality in mind. Tables were dressed differently for each meal, menus changed every day, and certain accommodations would be made for special events or occasions. The lamps likely would not have been a feature on the table every night. It is more likely that they would have been brought up for more formal occasions, like a Sunday dinner, a holiday, celebrations for the company or captain, etc. Simply leaving an item on display that was only meant for special occasions for the sake of saving the stewards a few minutes of work is actually the most unlikely scenario. The late Edwardian era still experienced a lot of pomp and circumstance. So things that may seem impractical or excessive were considered the norm in these upper class circles.
@@Garsons-oq4lh and the reason there are no photos of lamps from the saloon is because if Titanic had used lamps for that Sunday’s dinner then the stewards would have already removed them and put them back into storage by the time the Iceberg struck. We know this because testimony revealed that the stewards had just finished preparing the tables for breakfast the next morning around or just shortly after the collision. We also believe that the storage locker that allegedly stored the lamps was located below D deck, on E deck and therefore no exploration of the saloon would yield any useful information. This locker of sorts was discovered in a set of plans. I hope you found this information useful!
I really like the attention to detail and that you guys are changing things as new information comes out. The attention to detail is amazing... but it's also a little detrimental. If you really spend too much time arguing over what shade of white some walls are, that's time taken away from activities that could be done that will actually get the game released. Wouldn't it be far more rewarding to focus on what's important--getting the game actually out into the hands of the public--and you can update stuff later via game patches? No wonder this has been taking so long to release. Also, people totally understand these aren't really mistakes, they were decisions made, and can always be modified. :)
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It's unbelievable how you brought the Titanic to life here. We've come a long way from just reading about the details in a worn out old paperback book in the 1960s. It's pure art in motion.
Well said. These guys are incredible artists...
This is why the Titanic has so many passionate fans: one never stops learning about her. My whole respect and gratitude to every member of the team. Blessings. 🙏💜
My fav quote by Endora from Bewitched,
"That's a human being for you. Spend most of their lives running around in circles for a series of nothing."
I think the the reason why we can't see saloon table lights in photos is because pretty much all the photos were taken with daylight natural light sufficently lighting the tables.
Those sallon table lights were only used when natural light was insufficent to properly light the tables, like during an evening dinner.
A simple yet logical answer.
I'm an audio-dominant, not a visual. I will defer to the visuals. The Titanic was planned with excruciating detail. If the lamps were, indeed, used, the planners would not drape the cord across one side of the table. This would be an aesthetic and safety issue. You could see what a problem this was when looking at some of the saloon pictures. Chairs nestled up to the small table confronted an electrical cord dangling. And aesthetics was paramount. However, I did not see any holes in the center of the table, which would accommodate the pesky electrical lamp cord. P.S. "Honor and Glory" is truly a Rembrandt, Smithsonian stuff.
@@kimjay481 well they do their best with the small ammount of resources they have.
As for the tables, it is difficult to tell without actually seeing one up close. I think the best they could do right now is to look at a table with similar features.
Agreed 👍
@@kimjay481Could it be under the table covers?
Our grandchildren will be watching TH-cam 50 years from now still watching "Titanic honor and glory game updates" with no game.
We got GTA 6 before Titanic Honor and Glory 😅
I've been watching ever since it was Titanic: Lost in the Darkness. 13 years.
"it's been 84 years" 😂😂
I don't think it's supposed to be a game at this point. Just more and more realistic Titanic sinking more and more realistically.
They should just release it as is and update it like they do many other games now.
I am glad to know that a letter from my countryman Ramón Artagaveytia is useful for the 'Titanic: Honor and Glory' Project. He was one of the three Uruguayans aboard the Titanic.
Guys, you are ultimately the best team of Titanic researchers. Please don't be put off by the minor inconsistencies. The job you've done is so grant. It's just colossal, gigantic! Thank you for all the patience, time, effort, professionalism and soul you put into this. You gave us - the Titanic lovers - a unique opportunity to walk down the halls and cabins, and boilers of the ship we've never seen in reality. And thank you for this additional yearly research - this is so captivating!
I would love to see all these spaces filled with the nice detail Gio adds to his renders. Table cloths, pillows, antimacassars, table lamps, rugs... and flowers, lots of flowers! And Palms Everywhere, grand staircase included!
Once I'm done with building my time machine, you'll have a lot of minor things to adjust
Maybe in an effort to finish the game, it would be quicker to invent a time machine first so that you can go back and photograph everything and send it in a letter to your current self
I will trust that you will deliver the truest and most accurate depiction of R.M.S Titanic that is humanly possible...and Thank You for your efforts.
TITANIC UNIVERSITY IS BACK LFG
Yea!!!
The new Scotland Road is explained clearly why most of the people disliked it. It looks like an exterior crew area (like the well decks) turned inside the ship.
Much more industrial than just a corridor. I would not be surprised if there will be evidence later for warning signs painted on the walls, like in the firemens tunnel.
White corridors make so much sense that I already forgot they were oak in the earlier depictions. People tend to forget that the Titanic was a product of practical engineering, allowed easthetics only where it not decreased the functionality.
I already know I'm gonna hate the white A-Deck corridors, the revolving doors stand out too much with white walls, looks massively out of place. Accurate or not :D
Maybe the door frame should be white on the corridor side as well? Potentially, also, the window frames in the corridor should remain oak color.
Same here. Unpainted wood looks far better in that space, any practical considerations and 1912 preferences by H&W aside.
I feel like the guy who wrote the letter could have been referring to the white corridors outside the cabins 🤔
Eh, still looks nice
As an architect I must say, that is a correct method to highlight the desired direction of movement.
I really like this kind of video. You rarely hear about this level of detail.
Another mistake is in A-37: this cabin was occupied by Francis Browne, a trainee priest and, more importantly, the person who took most of the photos of the Titanic as a passenger. As a tribute, THG has placed a Vest Pocket Kodak in this cabin. However, it has now been established that Browne used film that does not fit this camera. This rules out the Vest Pocket Kodak, although it does not clarify which camera Browne actually used. It was certainly a more serious camera than the “VPK,” which was intended for snapshots. Perhaps a trivial detail, but could THG place a camera in A-37 that honors Browne’s work and the film format he used, such as a No. 3 Folding Pocket Kodak?
The white corridors makes 100% sense. Titanic's design is all about light. The windows were very cleverly designed to get as much light in as possible, and a white varnish would help brighten it up even more.
Also consider how Cunard's response to the Olympic class was the pretty much white everywhere Aquitania.
True! But this one corridor, directly at the windows, heavily carved and fitting to the Dining room... not sure about it..
Interesting how even Ken Marshall has painted these A deck corridors white back in the day. I don't know why people now take the oak as fact....
I will say they look nicer in oak but I can see the practical reason to have them white
We have photos of Olympic's being natural oak in 1911 and 1920, but they were eventually painted green to match the new paint scheme for the Grand Staircase in 1933. There's also a watercolour sketch from 1912 that shows the aft corridor as natural oak.
@@Titanic_401 I wouldn't use that watercoulour painting for much since it its very sketchy and abstract. As for the photos we have from olympic they always barely appear, but yes, they do look oak. But the same applies to other spaces, like the boarding entrances, that remained oak on Olympic. Wouldn't be surprising if, along with the boarding entrances, they would also paint the corridors (with the same panneling style) white. Perhaps just an experiment, like with many other things on titanic. Also have to take in mind the enclosing of the A deck promenade, which would have made the foward corridor somewhat darker.
I had suspected that the A-deck corridors were white considering how nearly every other companionway was white panelled with lino tiles. I wouldn't be too surprised if many spaces usually depicted as oak panelled were white.
Surely how they were carved would hint if they'd get a white wash? Maybe someone that knows carvings would know if something was too detailed to paint and look good.
Dining room looks amazing with the lamps!
There's actually something I noticed, which I believe to be incorrect. It's just a detail, but... I noticed in demos about the 1st class lounge that when you zoom in the big oval chandelier in the centre of the room, (you certainly did a wonderful job in reproducing the cut glass) but I noticed that the golden frame supporting it is flat and smooth, whereas it should be engraved. I also clearly noticed that at 1:46 in "The Final Hours of the Titanic" published in April. So I compared your chandelier with the Olympic's original one, displayed at Cutler's Hall in Sheffield. There are many pics out there that show all the incredible details of that wonderful chandelier (It seems to me that the frames between each piece of glass have some leaves motifs engraved). Again this is a small detail, but I always loved that chandelier so I immediately noticed it. I think this might be a great addition to the project, to make that chandelier even more realistic and historically accurate.
👏👏 I really enjoy these videos. Sometimes explaining Titanic is necessary beyond just seeing the space.
I would think the table lights would be powered by a socket sunk into the floor that's covered by a small hinged brass plate when not in use . . . the sort of thing you see in 'National Trust' houses in the UK - I shall try to find an example next time I visit one of the right era !
About the dining saloon table lamps, maybe they weren't delivered on time therefore would not be in use. The model might still be OK without them.
You are doing a great job! Please don‘t stop and take your time. Its worth it!
This is awesome, I've always wondered about the challenges in building an accurate digital replica. This is an excellent explanation!
James Cameron... i was right about the tablelamps question
What were you right about?
He still had the wrong model. There were old hints of the À la Carte restaurant possibly having lights with pink lampshades on the tables. Seems like they were used in both rooms.
It is a pity that this project was born out of a video game project. You guys do so much legitimate historic research; you deserve more respect.
3:51 Thank you for the inclusion of the photograph of Ramon Artagaveytia. I have read about him in a few Titanic-related books (including his survival in 1871 of a burning ship and his recurring nightmares) but the authors never included a photograph of him. So I’m seeing him for the first time in your video.
This was fascinating! It'll be weird to see the finished product with the new changes. It'll be like seeing the ship for the first time again.
Cheers guys! Thanks for all your hardwork and research
Gosh, that titanic model in full open sunlight right at the start just looks so good.
Great video. So grateful for those who put all the work in.
Awesome video...this is how research works, always improving. Great narration as well.
"I have watched Downton Abby... so clearly I'm now an expert on Edwardian table manners"~
Ok.. that was a great evening chuckle.
Hey.. if you read this comment... one thing this old Coast Guardsman noticed was the ships forward binnacle.
On either side you appropriately placed the masses for adjusting for any deviation caused by the ship to the compass... but... there isn't really any adjustment.
There should be more than a hole for these masses as they need to actually be... well... adjusted.
One thing you could do that might assist people in really geeking out on this small point is to perhaps get some images of the ship's compass on the wreck and see if you can see where these are actually adjusted to in the tracks.
I have even sometimes seen it where one of these masses was turned upside down. Again, the purpose of them was to adjust for deviation... magnetic declination caused by the mass of the ship. They would do what ever they needed to to get this right.
It would be fun to see them not only be able to be adjusted... but to actually be where they were on the actual titanic binnacle.
Im just happy to see the return of TU! 🤗
What is TU?
@@GabrielNeves-gf9ie Titanic University. They used to make videos discussing Titanic facts, this series of videos is called Titanic University.
The work, detail, heart, precision and passion yall have invested into this is amazing. Id say release this version for the fans to enjoy until you fix what you have discovered is wrong. I cant speak for others but im fascinated with the beauty and depth, im curious to see what all has been done and to actually play it along with the sinking version would be amazing. I bet if you sold this people would buy it in support. I would for sure, I have been waiting for years to see this release. But I know how important it is to get accurate results...
Matt makes the best THG videos!
i have missed these videos, another outstanding addition! i can't wait for more :)
As for mistakes, there seems to be typos still. I spotted one 'Gentelmen' sign in the C-Deck 1st class port side corridor between cabins C. 76 and C. 126. This is in the Final Demo 401.
Sunday dinners! Sunday dinners were back in a day a very important part of the week and still are today. There are even a pre WWI sunday dinner cookbooks written with complete menus. In her interviews, Edith Russsell mentions quite a few times gala dinner and how strict were WSL rules especially on sunday. Also if we compare other dinner menues, the sunday one really follows the traditional french menu with palate cleanser and game. Placing table lamps and flowers on special sunday dinners makes sense!
While I love the demo, one room that I found pretty inaccurate is the engine room. But that is me speaking as someone who is mariana trench deep into all the available pictures & drawings because I am modelling the engine myself. Your version is correct overall, there are just some inaccuracies in the details. But I also understand that this room might not be a priority and it is awesome that there is a fully discoverable 3D-model of it at all.
Kyle mentionned a week ago that it was not accurate at all and should not be taken as "their" version
What they made currently is just a placeholder, they'll pretty much remake the entire engine room eventually
Kyle said that it was made in about 14 days, is innacurate, and that when he gets up to do it for real for THG it's going to take many months.
Thank you guys for all the answers, I wasn't aware of that! It looks awesome for a placeholder! I am so excited to see the final version.
The Scotland road with the 3rd class open spaces is my favorite part of the ship in P401 and i'm scared how it will look after the changes...
Ran it for the 1st time. Really hope the bow section will be accessible in the next update! It's the final part I wish to explore.
Interesting that you say the Turkish bath had mirrors placed behind the lattice for the portholes but was moved inboard, but considering how they backlight the interior stained glass in other parts of the ship might they have had some backlighting there to make up for the move and still keep the space lit as desired?
I can't believe James Cameron himself swam to the bottom of the ocean to recover one of Titanic's Dining Lamps for you guys. He's truly raising the bar.
I'm really not sure about the dress code. I think there are references to Titanic passengers wearing formal clothes. As in general, as far as I know in the interwar years at least, formal evening wear was required except on the first and last evening of the crossing.
Thanks for correcting the lighting. The original demo had 21st century led style not the low wattage incandescent bulb glow using now.
Not disputing the table lamps, but would they have been used at all during the voyage if they weren't a permeant fixture at meals? If not then u could just leave them out. Unless the Titanic experience in T:HG is not set at any time during the voyage and it's just there to show off the ship at her absolute best?
Looking forward to the new changes to come. Thanks, and keep up the great works! :)
I have always argued that titanic had table lamps in the dining salon. Lightbulbs were in their Infancy and dim compared to today’s bulbs. Granted they’d be removed for breakfast and lunch as daylight prevailed but in the evenings it was Edwardian etiquette to have evening lighting on the dining tables in the form of candles or lamps. It enhanced the table, food and ladies complexions. Glad to see them added.
Only way to know is to dig through the remnants of the saloon. Dig deep within the sediment and debris. There lies the answer.
James Cameron believed the table lamps were bunk, and Ken Marshall consulted to that effect. He did it because he needed more lighting for the scenes
'Painting the wood in Unreal is easy!' Does that mean we'll get Green Olympic at some point? 😆 J/K!
I think the world would prefer to forget that Olympic was vandalized by its own builders that way! 😉
@@rrice1705 And ironically it lost so much popularity afterwards that they scrapped the ship 2 years later.
TU is the best! More please!
What are the chances that Titanic's swimming pool looked more like the one on "Brittanic" rather than the plain spartan pool on Olympic?
That Turkish Bath render looks incredible!
On table lamps: having protruding plugs on floor would greatly limit how you could arrange tables. But if positioned in lines, you could have individual tables lined up over plugs, or one long banquet table over the plugs, but you would have to have such banquet tables over all such lines of plugs otherwise people would trip over them of some of them don't have a table over it. Having such plugs would preclude moving tables to the side to have some dancing in the middle for instance. If this had been a feature requested by "marketing", then one would think that any publicity shot of the ship would have featured lamps on each table . If there was a cord, how was it routed down? hole in centre of table? With a hole in middle, cable would be all neat and out of way, but changing tablecloth would ve a real hassle. Trying to figure out how they would manage such lamps might give a clue of what to look for in those photos.
The tables were bolted to the deck.
@@JWRogersPS Thanks, if tables are bolted down, then having plugs becomes much more feasible because you truly have a fixed configuration of dining room.
Wait wait wait .... An ROV has seen down Scotland Road?!
Yeah, it went down to the entrance of boiler room 6, looking into it but not entering it because of optical cable signal problems that fed the rov
6:13 700 YEARS AGO 😮😮
Your doing great Matt!!
If you're going to add table lamps in the dining saloon, please use the same design that was in the 1997 movie.
For me it's about 2nd Class. The library seems a "copy and paste" of Olympic's. You guys have found that Britannic had a different wood paneling pattern. I truly believe that the pattern that was going to be used on Britannic was the same used on Titanic as it was short lived, so would be something "new". About D deck aft staircase foyer - Those closed doors leading to the corridor and cabins don't make sense. If 1st Class had open on the top of the *Grand Staircase* so why would *2nd class* have it closed? Did Lawrence Beesley mentioned a door on the corridor of his cabin? Well, I don't know. I believe it was open and the corridor spaces between the staircase foyer were just like 1st class staircase on E deck.
LONG LIVE TITANIC HONOR AND GLORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
can’t believe Titanic SOS got this right 9:04
In the time it’s taken to make this game is the time people could have probably built the olympic class trio in real life 😂 (no hate tho the dedication and passion is very admirable)
Its true! The olympic class took 7 years and 0 months to be completed and with technology now, we could complete it even faster
Was he reffering to the Lounge Hallway tho, i know it seems that way, but titanic had so many corridors in white
One thing the model shows me more or better than 1997 movie is how lost you could get in those corridors.
What I further wonder is are there cues I'm missing because I've never been on a ship? All I've ever heard about is some carpet pattern in fish that swim to the bow on a modern cruise ship.
What about the capstans? Where they green?
Its hard enough figureing out how an area looked with a decent number of photos. I like studying local history so often have the luxury of a decent number of photos, even footage but even then its often not enough. Theres always blind spots even in a moderately well photographed area. The popular angle photo is a common blessing and a curse.
Some cases you have no clue where in the area the photo was taken or if it is even of that area.
Why would the reason(s) behind moving a piano be "classified"?
upcoming video, NDA, wreck data
@@ThunderClawShocktrixInterior wreck exploration found the remnants of the piano in the starboard corner no doubt. Nothing that would necessitate a NDA.
That's classified.
Brilliant video!
So, the real tough dilemma is to hazard a guess at when THG will be released as a finished game! All the sound effects have to be completed yet from door hinges to footsteps along different surfaces in different spaces and places. Then of course all of the passengers have to be modelled unless R.M.S Titanic is going to be a ghost ship!..plus all and any finer elements of detail such as over-head light bulbs all have to be changed and rendered in. So quite a lot of work yet that could be another 24 months of programming! _2026 THG Goes Gold!_ (released.......maybe!)
Project 401 might come out in around a year, but the full Titanic Honour & Glory will likely come out in 10 years or so
3:30 When was Professor Mcgonagall part of Titanic?
That’s Violet Crawley (the Dowager Countess) in Downton Abbey.
Really interesting! Is there any evidence that the soft iron correctors on the compass were red and green? In my experience they are usually black or unpainted when they are manufactured and get painted by the crew later on. This serves no purpose as the correctors are interchangeable and sometimes one or both are removed depending on the deviations during a compass swing. 😊
Piano Classified because of moving it to starboard side? Am I'm missing something?
Interesting. I wonder how something as long as Scotland Road could be adjusted for Kyle's hull in the final game. I can see minor adjustments to existing rooms but, would Scotland Road's model have to be redone entirely? Just curious.
Perfect plug location to charge my phone :)
What is the rendition to Waltz of the flowers? I’ve been watching the sinking over and over again to listen to it lol
Hmmm. The render of Olympic's à la carte restaurant in her first season shows the large light fixture with the center being open whereas a beam and columns now bisect the space and all light fixtures are the same. Was the model based on the artist's rendering in promotional material, or was this the original layout before the restaurant was extended?
It's a shame we don't have access to a TARDIS so we can find out once and for all what it looked like.
It will most likely take 20 more years to finish this game
As a game artist I’ve wanted to work on this project for years
Fabulous
Jeez, all you experts!
Okay now I want to know about that piano
The new staircase design... makes me tremble!
once the video game is officially released would you guys ever make all of your research public? I'd love to look at all of it I may never sleep again! ❤
When the heck can I play this freaking game?
How do I download the game and what are the computer and Windows specifications? I want a download site for it.
I've already found an historical inconsistency: Zapp Brannigan wasn't shown as the captain.
Ok , but what is professor McGonagal is doing in Titanic ?😮
I salute you!
Yay, another distraction and no news. Classic THAG.
ummmm shut up
@@funbricks1 Denial much? ;)
@@WhatALoadOfTosca no they literally are fixing things that people have been asking them to fix
Thanks I HATE the white lounge corridor 😭 lol
I've asked this before. What definitive proof (if any) exists for the 1st class smoking room upholstery being green? I know Olympic's was green with tan tiled floors and titanic had red/blue tiles but I've seen in quite a few documentaries, tv shows, recreations, etc that Titanic had red or burgundy upholstery..?. It would look better with the tiles IMO and since there was green upholstery in many other public spaces, it would look nice to have some diversity in interior design Just mainly curious. I am in no way criticizing the fine work your team does. Thanks!
Oh, and the white painted lounge corridor walls? I'm really digging that change. I think it makes complete sense making Titanic more modern and the lighting issue. Well done.
Im pretty sure that in a hidden corner somewhere, James Cameron secretly watches his and feels vindicated over their being lamps on the 1st class dining scenes to illuminate his film
Unless a deep dig of the remnants of the saloon is possible (like in actually digging through the sediment and debris) judging by the only known photograph of the Titanic's saloon there were no lamps installed.
@@Garsons-oq4lhthat photograph was taken during breakfast on the 11th. There would be no need for lamps to be used in broad daylight. It is still highly possible that there were lamps, however were only brought out on occasion.
@@TitanicLover401It makes no lick of sense to wait until dinner to cart out lamps for each table. Why not just leave them out as they needn't be turned on during breakfast and lunch. But the answer lies within the wreck. I don't believe any sets of lamps belonging to a saloon have been photographed or recovered though.
@@Garsons-oq4lh White Star Line operated their ships with tradition and formality in mind. Tables were dressed differently for each meal, menus changed every day, and certain accommodations would be made for special events or occasions. The lamps likely would not have been a feature on the table every night. It is more likely that they would have been brought up for more formal occasions, like a Sunday dinner, a holiday, celebrations for the company or captain, etc. Simply leaving an item on display that was only meant for special occasions for the sake of saving the stewards a few minutes of work is actually the most unlikely scenario. The late Edwardian era still experienced a lot of pomp and circumstance. So things that may seem impractical or excessive were considered the norm in these upper class circles.
@@Garsons-oq4lh and the reason there are no photos of lamps from the saloon is because if Titanic had used lamps for that Sunday’s dinner then the stewards would have already removed them and put them back into storage by the time the Iceberg struck. We know this because testimony revealed that the stewards had just finished preparing the tables for breakfast the next morning around or just shortly after the collision. We also believe that the storage locker that allegedly stored the lamps was located below D deck, on E deck and therefore no exploration of the saloon would yield any useful information. This locker of sorts was discovered in a set of plans. I hope you found this information useful!
So what you are telling me is their still is a hole bunch of table lamps in some lockers on the wreck of the titanic.
I really like the attention to detail and that you guys are changing things as new information comes out. The attention to detail is amazing... but it's also a little detrimental.
If you really spend too much time arguing over what shade of white some walls are, that's time taken away from activities that could be done that will actually get the game released. Wouldn't it be far more rewarding to focus on what's important--getting the game actually out into the hands of the public--and you can update stuff later via game patches? No wonder this has been taking so long to release.
Also, people totally understand these aren't really mistakes, they were decisions made, and can always be modified. :)
Oh Gio... (sigh)
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the cherub it's not correct..totally different
fix it along the way just release the entire voyage already