Next time we lose the game having the lead at the 2 min warning can one of you guys ask Nick how he is evaluating his decision making? Be sure to throw the stats at him so he can’t hide from answering it. This is unacceptable. It can happen sometimes but this is ridiculous.
I like Hurts but the idea of Jalen needing to trust someone to this insane level to throw them the ball when they are wide open is more of an indictment on Hurts than the receivers. If the man is open, he needs to throw to them. If the guy drops it or whatever, it’s on them. But he needs to take what the defense gives him. Too many dropbacks go nowhere. And then you watch the all-22 and see the open players while it’s forced to AJ or Devonta. It’s frustrating to watch.
If you don't throw to them and let them make the mistakes then evaluation of players and player progression doesn't happen. Look at the Chiefs last year with all the drops and bad WR play. They kept at it though and when Mahomes was asked he said he's going to keep throwing to his guys. Some of those guys got better (Rasheed Rice) and others didn't and they let them go.
U can't gain trust unless u are given an opportunity! Hurts has to get his head out of his ass. He just doesn't throw Dallas goedert the ball enough. Hurts isn't using the talent around him good enough at all.
Reddick had a quiet start for 2022 also besides the thumb injured 2023 start. His first 2 games were quiet, then took off in week 3 if I remember correctly.
While it's true that Reddick wasn't getting sacks early, he also wasn't getting entirely blanked on the stat sheet. Britain Covey had more tackles than Bryce Huff on Monday night.
Huff is terrible go watch his jets film. The giys blocking him had terrible footwork! He got lucky on some of the sacks. I don't understand the scouting department thinking huff was good! And paid him 17 million. That's insane
Hurts is running more. I'm having trouble determining if he feels threatened in the backfield or if he's feeling more healthy than the end of last season.
Nick has no feel for the game. When it's all stats and no heart you start the game going for it instead of kicking the FG and getting the first points with momentum, and finish the game kicking a FG instead of going for it like they should have. Such a bad decision maker. As soon as the field goal team got sent out, I told my buddy we were getting ready to lose to Kirk freaking Cousins. No excuses for losing to Cousins and the Falcons! That said, we're gonna be playing with a big chip on our shoulder Sunday so Saints shouldn't be feeling too comfortable, even at home. I still don't think the Birds can win this game, especially after seeing how the Saints offense has looked the first 2 weeks, absolutely handling the Cowboys defense! I hope I'm wrong and that we at least keep it close.
Aggressiveness worked in 17 playoffs because nobody was expecting the eagles to be aggressive with Nick Foles. Most teams play safe and conservatively when the backup is in
The Football Scout TH-cam channel has a great video about Jalen Carter against Atlanta. Carter was disappointing at the wrong times during that game, but Atlanta has an all NFL OL opposite him. Jordan Davis didn't help the DL much because he was double blocked.
After watching the All 22, on the 4th & 4, 1st quarter, Moore did a great scheming Barkley and Goedert open for first downs, and Smith was open for a TD, Hurts unfortunately left a clean pocket early and didn’t see them.
Ok, so the Eagles were aggressive and closed out the GB game by a couple of passes to Smitty for first downs. You both praised it for being a "gutsy, aggressive playcall". Now, our RB drops a perfectly placed ball, and it's the coaches fault. You aren't judging play calls, you're judging play RESULTS 😂.
The right play was called, it's probably a touchdown, Saquon dropped the ball. If we run, don't get it and get stuffed on tush push, we're calling Nick conservative.
the defense isn’t as bad as the numbers say from a broad perspective we only gave up 15 points until that last drive kirk was under 200 yards passing + pretty decent in the redzone for the most part id say , switch to. 4-3 more & play more man we’ll be fine
Sure bud.. im still waiting for you people to tell me 7 other qbs playing better.. its week 2.. hurts literally threw a td that devontae didnt hold unto and a walk in td to saquon that he dropped.. but yea.. its hurts fault.. Mahomes has 4 picks.. its just he has a defense to help him as well.
@lifeisfortheliving2070 15 TH RANKED QB..you're in love,I get youngster...its your generation..EVERYONE gets a trophy..GREG COSELL tells you...he can't PROCESS Quickly..LOW WONDERLIC SCORE..BREAKS CLEAN POCKETS..MISSES WRS RUNNING OPEN..I can never wear my Hurts jersey with pride..Mayfield,C.j.Stroud.. Mahommes...Rodgers...Stafford...Burrow..presscott..Allen..Goff..Murray..ALL CAN READ DEFENSES
If you listen to Greg Cosell, Hurts had receivers wide open all game but just wasn’t getting them the ball. He was taking off while under zero pressure, bypassing on first read calls.
Did the scrambling "work" if you only score 21 points and lose the game? I'm going to go with no, scrambling didn't work. I don't care how many yards you get running, you're the QB.
Finally someone said it. You can’t win in the modern NFL scoring 21 points. The Offense let the team down. This weekend 16 games were played. If you scored 21 Points, only 5 teams won with that score. You can’t score that low and expect to win. It’s on Hurts.
Hey we are talking about Huff and the rest of the front line. Do you think it is a combination of new scheme and decision making? Focusing on Huff, he now needs to figure out if he defending the run over the pass. Throw in play action, then you are playing slower. Again if you are not stopping the run, you have less totally pass options to just tee off on the pass rush. Not defending anyone here, but wondering if they are just playing slower. Brandon is a veteran, and Booker and Milton have had more snaps preseason. Are the other guys catching up, again only way you get better is through repetition. Don't laugh would Hunt be getting more playing time. Thoughts?
I don’t knw why the media and everyone is hell bent on making Nick wrong on that call. He’s the coach and if he feels like he wants to go against the analytics he should. Why are we so reliant on Analytics ?? Stats are not people
Wow. The commentary are really strong. Not what I expected. I don't have a good feeling about the rest of the season. Atlanta OL was able to block the Eagles DL/LBs. And the end of the game was a travesty. If they win against the Saints on the road I'll be surprised. There should have been more practice between Hurts and Barkley. Part of the game it looked to me like the Falcon DefCoord and the Defense anticipated what the Eagles Offense was going to do. And penalties show a lack of concentration of practice. The Eagles were ahead. Going for it on 4th would have pinned the Falcons in their end. They would have had further to go, and the clock would have continued (if they failed) and the Falcons would have had to use a timeout if they had any left.
When it comes to competitive advantage and Bechton.... if you guys "already know," he's the starter, and it's blatantly obvious, why waste a question on it and complain that they aren't saying it? They aren't announcing Jalen Hurts as the starting QB every practice.
Regarding the 4th down pass play... Jalen threw the ball *right to* a *wide open RB.* Not an OT, not even a FB; Saquon is a good receiver. Catch the darned ball!!!!
Holy heck, i didn't really need 10 minutes of we didn't agree with a coaching decision. He would've been a genius with a caught pass. Get to the real issues!
I don't really understand why *anyone* is debating the 4th down call when the unforgivable error was calling a play on *3rd* down that could, if it failed in the right (wrong?) way (which it did), stop the clock. Hand the damn thing off and if you want to do something unexpected, run the play to the side instead of up the middle. But, JHC, *throwing* the ball? Just a chucklehead call.
You guys said that he should’ve known before hand what to do…. And then you said there’s no way to know before hand what to do in all situations ? Contradicting points
Be careful what you wish for. When Julian Lorie takes control, analytics will rule the day big time. People wonder about Howie's staying power. That's the day that Howie will start sending out his resume. I don't think that's a good thing. Just saying.
you guys appear to be exasperated like all of us. this loss will linger just look at last year. nothing's changed. reality will set in the next two weeks when the eagles will realize keeping Sirianni was a major mistake.
I'm an Eagles fan, and I hate to say it, but they are gunna get smoked by the Saints. Our defense is horrible, and there isn't any way to improve it. Hope I'm wrong!!
look up Jalen Hurt's Superbowl stats and you'll see for yourself. He's not Patrick Mahomes but no one is. he's a dual threat QB with one of the best side-line deep balls in the league. he'll be fine, we just need an actual defence and Jalen just needs to get back trusting his pocket a bit more which we've seen him do.
Roob, roob roob, so no mention of the run scheme we were ill equipped to handle because of our own defensive scheme? Go watch Bo wolfs breakdown.. Out of position the whole game
When you have an elite QB that's actually worth 50 mill per season it doesn't matter what the name on the back of the WRs jersey is they still find a way to make the offense work and make those players better.... Hurts can't do that, he needs to be surrounded by talent in order to have any kind of success and even still he struggles. Hurts still throws across his body into double coverage while running... THATS A ROOKIE MISTAKE FFS
Question for you guys. We seen Sauce do it just 2 years ago, but how difficult is it for a corner to win DROY? What criteria may have to be hit? Thanks guys. Great show
Must win, prove it game. We all can see what needs to change . Lose next 2 weeks & it's Fire Nick watch. Can still save our season w a "W". Dallas sucks
If switching seats gets the team out of this funk I'm for it but otherwise I'll need you both in your assigned seats please and thank you 😂
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Why are they on the wrong sides?!? It's discombobulating :-)
Variety is the spice of life.
@@nathanhoffman20000 That's what i tell my wife when she found about my g/f but she didn't go for it.
Sides of what?
@@appnzllr The screen. Roob is usually on the right.
Next time we lose the game having the lead at the 2 min warning can one of you guys ask Nick how he is evaluating his decision making? Be sure to throw the stats at him so he can’t hide from answering it. This is unacceptable. It can happen sometimes but this is ridiculous.
I like Hurts but the idea of Jalen needing to trust someone to this insane level to throw them the ball when they are wide open is more of an indictment on Hurts than the receivers. If the man is open, he needs to throw to them. If the guy drops it or whatever, it’s on them. But he needs to take what the defense gives him. Too many dropbacks go nowhere. And then you watch the all-22 and see the open players while it’s forced to AJ or Devonta. It’s frustrating to watch.
If you don't throw to them and let them make the mistakes then evaluation of players and player progression doesn't happen. Look at the Chiefs last year with all the drops and bad WR play. They kept at it though and when Mahomes was asked he said he's going to keep throwing to his guys. Some of those guys got better (Rasheed Rice) and others didn't and they let them go.
This is exactly how I view it.
Throw the dam ball if the guys open. Even if it’s not AJ.
He CANT process Quickly..DROPS EYES IN POCKET,BREAKS CLEAN POCKETS..HOLDS BALL TOO LONG...DRIFTS TO HIS RIGHT I. THE POCKET...LOW WONDERLIC SCORE😢😮
U can't gain trust unless u are given an opportunity! Hurts has to get his head out of his ass. He just doesn't throw Dallas goedert the ball enough. Hurts isn't using the talent around him good enough at all.
He also isn't good enough to call plays which is OK but know that and work on it.
I have never realized that you guys sitting in the same room. 😂
The rent comes due this week for the Georgia boys
Brandon Graham sucked until year 4. Don't forget that.
@@JH-lb3kcnot typical way for things to go though. The lack of progress with these guys is concerning. Could be them, could be the coaching/scheme.
And they talked the same ish about Fletch that they’re talking about Davis
howie let those back back titles against fool him we coulda had kyle hamilton at 13 or whatever when we drafted the fat man
@@JH-lb3kcBG is exempt from any scrutiny 😂 for he forced the biggest fumble in our franchise history
Reddick had a quiet start for 2022 also besides the thumb injured 2023 start. His first 2 games were quiet, then took off in week 3 if I remember correctly.
While it's true that Reddick wasn't getting sacks early, he also wasn't getting entirely blanked on the stat sheet. Britain Covey had more tackles than Bryce Huff on Monday night.
Huff is terrible go watch his jets film. The giys blocking him had terrible footwork! He got lucky on some of the sacks. I don't understand the scouting department thinking huff was good! And paid him 17 million. That's insane
Im getting vertigo see you both switch sides. 😵💫
I’m so tired of football staff pretending they understand how data works. There are infinite variables.
I disagree with the jalen take roob hes clearly opting to run more than trust a clean pocket even belicheck noticed that
Greg Cossell showed tape of Kellen schemed perfectly two free WR's and Jalen bailed out of the pocket- turning into a Wentz
Hurts is running more. I'm having trouble determining if he feels threatened in the backfield or if he's feeling more healthy than the end of last season.
@@appnzllrIMO he doesn't trust his arm as much as his legs when healthy.
Year 5
You guys realize AJ Brown isn’t on the field for him?
Nick has no feel for the game. When it's all stats and no heart you start the game going for it instead of kicking the FG and getting the first points with momentum, and finish the game kicking a FG instead of going for it like they should have. Such a bad decision maker. As soon as the field goal team got sent out, I told my buddy we were getting ready to lose to Kirk freaking Cousins. No excuses for losing to Cousins and the Falcons!
That said, we're gonna be playing with a big chip on our shoulder Sunday so Saints shouldn't be feeling too comfortable, even at home. I still don't think the Birds can win this game, especially after seeing how the Saints offense has looked the first 2 weeks, absolutely handling the Cowboys defense! I hope I'm wrong and that we at least keep it close.
Aggressiveness worked in 17 playoffs because nobody was expecting the eagles to be aggressive with Nick Foles. Most teams play safe and conservatively when the backup is in
who cares about other team similarities in these situations. Sirianni is a dope!
The Football Scout TH-cam channel has a great video about Jalen Carter against Atlanta. Carter was disappointing at the wrong times during that game, but Atlanta has an all NFL OL opposite him. Jordan Davis didn't help the DL much because he was double blocked.
So is our RB/qb
Woah, you guys are on different sides. This feels different.
After watching the All 22, on the 4th & 4, 1st quarter, Moore did a great scheming Barkley and Goedert open for first downs, and Smith was open for a TD, Hurts unfortunately left a clean pocket early and didn’t see them.
Hi Dave, Hi Reuben!
Hey Roob and Dave.
Any update on Sydney Brown?
He could be a guy that makes a positive impact on defense.
Ok, so the Eagles were aggressive and closed out the GB game by a couple of passes to Smitty for first downs. You both praised it for being a "gutsy, aggressive playcall". Now, our RB drops a perfectly placed ball, and it's the coaches fault. You aren't judging play calls, you're judging play RESULTS 😂.
Well said
ALL 22 TAPE EXPOSED HURTS,YET AGAIN😢
Nick's decisions are what's being judged. Too many RESULTS were CAUSED by bad decisions.
People are stupid. The players are paid to make plays. Barkley dropped the ball . It was terrible. My problem is go for it on the next play 4th down.
The right play was called, it's probably a touchdown, Saquon dropped the ball. If we run, don't get it and get stuffed on tush push, we're calling Nick conservative.
I'm tired of hearing excuses for Roseman
I’d like a friend who could always support me through ANYTHING like Roob! 😂🤞🏾😎
the defense isn’t as bad as the numbers say from a broad perspective we only gave up 15 points until that last drive kirk was under 200 yards passing + pretty decent in the redzone for the most part id say , switch to. 4-3 more & play more man we’ll be fine
All 22 EXPOSES HURTS, again..year 5😢
Sure bud.. im still waiting for you people to tell me 7 other qbs playing better.. its week 2.. hurts literally threw a td that devontae didnt hold unto and a walk in td to saquon that he dropped.. but yea.. its hurts fault.. Mahomes has 4 picks.. its just he has a defense to help him as well.
@lifeisfortheliving2070 15 TH RANKED QB..you're in love,I get youngster...its your generation..EVERYONE gets a trophy..GREG COSELL tells you...he can't PROCESS Quickly..LOW WONDERLIC SCORE..BREAKS CLEAN POCKETS..MISSES WRS RUNNING OPEN..I can never wear my Hurts jersey with pride..Mayfield,C.j.Stroud.. Mahommes...Rodgers...Stafford...Burrow..presscott..Allen..Goff..Murray..ALL CAN READ DEFENSES
@@lifeisfortheliving2070That interception was beautiful. All they needed was 15 yds to allow Jake to win the game but Jalen has to play Hero ball.
Did we switch into a parallel universe? Why is Ruben Frank on the left 😅
Hey, sit back on the right chairs
I want to hear more about Roob and OJs friendship lol. That’s so random.
The fact Roob went to see Dinosaur jr ❤️
If you listen to Greg Cosell, Hurts had receivers wide open all game but just wasn’t getting them the ball. He was taking off while under zero pressure, bypassing on first read calls.
I’ve seen this idea on the Twitter sphere.
Jalen Carter moved to the edge and Milton Williams started as DT, thoughts?
Jalen Carter hasn’t been special since the 1st half of last season. I absolutely think he’s regressed
Why?
Why did Howie keep sweat over reddick ??? I seriously can’t believe it !!!!
Did the scrambling "work" if you only score 21 points and lose the game? I'm going to go with no, scrambling didn't work. I don't care how many yards you get running, you're the QB.
Finally someone said it. You can’t win in the modern NFL scoring 21 points. The Offense let the team down.
This weekend 16 games were played. If you scored 21 Points, only 5 teams won with that score. You can’t score that low and expect to win. It’s on Hurts.
Hes a 3rd round qb,taken in the 2nd round,LEARNING ON THE JOB...YEAR 5
@@TheodoreNicklas he’s still a kid 🤣
Hey we are talking about Huff and the rest of the front line. Do you think it is a combination of new scheme and decision making? Focusing on Huff, he now needs to figure out if he defending the run over the pass. Throw in play action, then you are playing slower. Again if you are not stopping the run, you have less totally pass options to just tee off on the pass rush. Not defending anyone here, but wondering if they are just playing slower. Brandon is a veteran, and Booker and Milton have had more snaps preseason. Are the other guys catching up, again only way you get better is through repetition. Don't laugh would Hunt be getting more playing time. Thoughts?
Nicks comments and excuses concern me...Question, Will we lose worse than Dallas ?
I guarantee we won’t lose more than you’ve been a loser you’re entire disappointing life
I don’t knw why the media and everyone is hell bent on making Nick wrong on that call. He’s the coach and if he feels like he wants to go against the analytics he should. Why are we so reliant on Analytics ?? Stats are not people
Wow. The commentary are really strong. Not what I expected.
I don't have a good feeling about the rest of the season. Atlanta OL was able to block the Eagles DL/LBs. And the end of the game was a travesty. If they win against the Saints on the road I'll be surprised. There should have been more practice between Hurts and Barkley. Part of the game it looked to me like the Falcon DefCoord and the Defense anticipated what the Eagles Offense was going to do. And penalties show a lack of concentration of practice.
The Eagles were ahead. Going for it on 4th would have pinned the Falcons in their end. They would have had further to go, and the clock would have continued (if they failed) and the Falcons would have had to use a timeout if they had any left.
Nick not being aggressive the couple late drives and not going for it in the Super Bowl cost us the game. He doesn’t know what he wants.
If Huff doesn't turn it around fast then letting Reddick go and paying Huff os going to look lole one of the dumbest decisions Howie has ever made.
Nah. Howie’s claim to fame is having the largest dead cap hit in NFL history, from Wentz.
Notice JD hasn't spoke to media 🤔
When it comes to competitive advantage and Bechton.... if you guys "already know," he's the starter, and it's blatantly obvious, why waste a question on it and complain that they aren't saying it? They aren't announcing Jalen Hurts as the starting QB every practice.
Regarding the 4th down pass play... Jalen threw the ball *right to* a *wide open RB.* Not an OT, not even a FB; Saquon is a good receiver.
Catch the darned ball!!!!
Holy heck, i didn't really need 10 minutes of we didn't agree with a coaching decision. He would've been a genius with a caught pass. Get to the real issues!
Dang roob showed his age on that one sheesh
Nicks bad call is forgivable. His intransigence and refusal to learn is not.
Hurts still doesn't look comfortable reading/throwing from the pocket. Idk if its playcalling, the WRs, or what but something ain't right
I don't really understand why *anyone* is debating the 4th down call when the unforgivable error was calling a play on *3rd* down that could, if it failed in the right (wrong?) way (which it did), stop the clock. Hand the damn thing off and if you want to do something unexpected, run the play to the side instead of up the middle. But, JHC, *throwing* the ball? Just a chucklehead call.
He wasn’t trying to vindicate himself, he was simply explaining his total f up.
Personally I have total faith moving forward in a good season, but I get it. Bad call there.
You guys said that he should’ve known before hand what to do…. And then you said there’s no way to know before hand what to do in all situations ?
Contradicting points
Be careful what you wish for. When Julian Lorie takes control, analytics will rule the day big time. People wonder about Howie's staying power. That's the day that Howie will start sending out his resume. I don't think that's a good thing. Just saying.
you guys appear to be exasperated like all of us. this loss will linger just look at last year. nothing's changed. reality will set in the next two weeks when the eagles will realize keeping Sirianni was a major mistake.
I'm an Eagles fan, and I hate to say it, but they are gunna get smoked by the Saints. Our defense is horrible, and there isn't any way to improve it. Hope I'm wrong!!
Thanks guys. Think that Seatle sb should be enough u run. Tbh we need to see this team without nick.vic sounds like nick coached him what to say
Jalen doesnt see Dallas and the coaching doesnt use him like they should. Hes been eaisted imo
Roob whipping out the ear plugs was so wholesome. Roob is really the goat
Do you think Hurts is the answer at QB.I mean for real,is he a superbowl QB.
look up Jalen Hurt's Superbowl stats and you'll see for yourself. He's not Patrick Mahomes but no one is. he's a dual threat QB with one of the best side-line deep balls in the league. he'll be fine, we just need an actual defence and Jalen just needs to get back trusting his pocket a bit more which we've seen him do.
Don't worry boys Eagles will win 15 12 and dominate the game.😅
Roob, roob roob, so no mention of the run scheme we were ill equipped to handle because of our own defensive scheme? Go watch Bo wolfs breakdown.. Out of position the whole game
When you have an elite QB that's actually worth 50 mill per season it doesn't matter what the name on the back of the WRs jersey is they still find a way to make the offense work and make those players better.... Hurts can't do that, he needs to be surrounded by talent in order to have any kind of success and even still he struggles. Hurts still throws across his body into double coverage while running... THATS A ROOKIE MISTAKE FFS
Question for you guys. We seen Sauce do it just 2 years ago, but how difficult is it for a corner to win DROY? What criteria may have to be hit? Thanks guys. Great show
Talk about offsides
Why are we still talking about this?
Saints gonna score 800 points
Saints 42 Eagles 17
get rid of kneel down stats. dopey Dave lives!!!!!!
Tough, listen doom, and gloom again, especially the beginning.
Can we stop talking about the call?
There picking up from last year
I need a win on Sunday so that I can get the taste of that loss out of my mouth
two problems with this team: Howie and Sirianni
Can't wait to see the Saints break the record for points against this completely terrible franchise
Immersion broken at 44:13😂
Must win, prove it game. We all can see what needs to change . Lose next 2 weeks & it's Fire Nick watch. Can still save our season w a "W". Dallas sucks