He was lying out of his ass, I've noticed that most lol players would rather lie than actually try dota out. I watched a lol streamer(sneaky) that was doing a dota 2 patch review and quite a few people saying absurd things about dota but obviously haven't played it. My favourite one was someone saying he had thousands of hours and 6k mmr but says that dota didn't have mana and space management, then I pointed out that I play the spirit bros and managing mana is all I do when I play them, he say that he never rans out of mana when playing storm😂😅
Bro they copied CS as well like imagine building a company by stealing all the published Idea's and saying we are better and make it balanced and then all of a sudden some 14 yr old says Lol is better than DOTA Lmfao
League steals the best from Dota, Dota steals the worst from League like that god awful vision mechanic where you press Mars or NS ulti and it hinders vision only for you making fog of war not the same for every player in the team. Literally the worst mechanic in Dota from launch.
Let them LOL players try invoker, then let see how long it takes for them to master basic combo (tornado, meteor, blast) 😂😂😂 Not to mention there's different lift duration depens on the level of quas orb. 😂😂😂
depending on the playstyle. It doesn't need too much IQ to spam 2nd skill with Phylactery to kill people. If you want to unleash the whole potential of the hero then yeah, it's hard
I don’t think he was insinuating that saksa is bad at the game. I think his point was, just because you are at the top of the leaderboard on Dota, that does not mean your team is winning.
The thing that make people see or perceive LoL as a more fun or complex is how flashy that game is. Blinking somewhere hitting something then blinking again to hit another "skillshot" then some tornadoes then blinking again etc. And reason why LoL players think their heroes are more complex is their all heroes have combo of their own. If you do this, this skill gets cd reduction, if you do this tornado will appear and if you hit this skill something will explode and that makes LoL not really reliant on team and makes it easier to show off their "skill".
The thing I love with dota is it has a wider range of what the heroes do, in league all adcs are basically the same and when you introduce a new mechanic its absolutely busted and people complain sometimes with reason (viego passive, akshan rez, ksante being ksante). In dota heroes are more unique and since all have a very specific thing they do better than anyone or in a special way they all shine in different games, in league you can just one trick yone. Also yummi exists
Of what I know of league, and it's not much due to not liking the casual side of moba's, their meta's tend to revolve around 20-30 characters and the rest are all jokes or trash, but in dota it's very common for upwards of 2/3 of the roster to be played in professional tournaments, I think the last major had 100? out of 125? picked, quick check and it was 114/123 unique picks.
Dota 2 pros: team oriented Dota 2 cons: team oriented if you get a team of morons then womp womp, you will not win even if you have a 10k gold overfarm since a hero without a team will just get stunlocked and fucked in every orifice
Still one of the funniest shit league players complain about is turn rate as if instanly turning with every hero is "balanced" imagine if Gragas did take longer to turn he might be not as broken anymore but decent balancing and mechanics isn't what league players are used to
dota is hard its complex that doesnt mean its hard mechanically though. I smashed people in new player queue i join normal all draft and i get smashed by a dude with 1k ranked games and 5k normal games in my first normal draft game its like nice skill diff i guess.
I do believe the less reliance on skillshot aiming in dota really puts emphasis on the strategy aspect on the game while in lol you can get carried just by playing a difficult to master champion with mechanics alone because they're usually designed to lose by getting outplayed and not by bad positioning or other aspects outside of the fighting
I would take it but from a guy whose last major win would be from less then 15 years ago. Thanks for your input diamond, back to the retirement home now.
As a league player, that also plays dota, Dota heroes have muchh more fun abillities ! wtf how does thsi guy think that its boring when every hero in dota has quite unique abillities while in league recent champions are all like copies of the previous ones in some ways :/. When i compare dota and league heroes/champions i always say that League has better design (does not apply for every hero/champ) however i think dotas heroes have kits that i feel like areeee less restricted compared to league. I also disagree with some of your takes on league (league also has highgrounds & low grounds but it is not as advanced as dotas, but yeah its there even tho its hard to see whether your skillshot lands or not is based on where you shoot on those specific highground/lowground spots, there were other examples too but ig u just dont play league so its okay i agree with rest of the video tho
not true at all lmao. the only thing they made similar was adding arsenal mage(something like Invoker) to league. But in generall Riot game is still patching league around outplays and micro skills like dodging skillshots, meanwhile dota is still patched aorund macro.
Adding an arsenal mage with the aesthetics of grimstroke but 50% less cool... EVERYTHING league does, dota did it FIRST, Better and more of it basically for everything@@krzysztofputerko1943
You wish. It would eventually become a superior game if it was, because Rito at least kinda cares, whereas for Valve their own game is a bit of a liability, it seems. But it just isn't the case. League of oneshots and 20 kills (if that much) per game is getting more and more like itself with time, i.e. snoozefest. It's not a coincidence, but a result of deliberate balancing strategy. Deaths are more punishing than ever. Good ganks aren't as worthwhile as they used to be. One (arguably the only one, other than booba) thing that League had going for it was a lot of small and big skirmishes every game, the fun craziness, back when Dota got stuck in the afk farm Chinese meta for a few years. But DotA has since snapped out of it, whereas League, well...Let's just say I returned to DotA last year for the same reasons I left for League over ten years ago. And unlike DotA, League has no chance of ever coming back like that, because at this point you would need to dismantle the game back to its bones and reassemble it anew - roll back like 8 years of balancing decisions, items, champions, income system, everything. Because the ones League has now enforce and encourage carebear playstyle.
i hate that mechanic. it gives advantage to melee players who can deny almost instantly while range has to have a PhD to calculate how long it takes their missile to hit. not to mention every range champ has a different projectile speed. It only takes a little bit of a lead before enemy melee laners have more damage than you and can then deny every creep if they are good enough
@@bloodybones8783You are the representation of the comment tbh. Melee heroes as a backswing animation wich is the same as ranged. You only has to calculate the timings once then everything comes naturally. There is no advantage on this, except maybe some ranged heroes like Sniper wich are almost instant, but even then it just means his timing is faster, there is no advantage on this. I mean you said Melees has an advantage, like, they literally have to walk next to the creep to be able to hit them.
@@KitsuneFaroe melee champs have the same very short animation time that makes it easier to deny creeps while ranged champs have vastly different times before their attack hits. That's an advantage especially in lower elo where most people are. Because of the deny mechanic, players have to choose between last hitting to get exp or harassing the enemy melee champ when he goes up which negates the disadvantage of melee having to walk up to kill creeps. The mechanic also incentivizes snow balling where the more damage your opponent does, the easier he can deny your creeps and put their enemy even more behind I'd rather have the game start with players trying to kill each other immediately instead of just farming waves.
@@bloodybones8783 u must never laned against a viper or razor as a melee lol. tbh everything u are talking about is overcome through knowledge and experience. I'm assuming from ur xp u were playing pos1 and getting dunked on by some fat melee pos3? thats quite normal in dota lanes. offlane heroes generally have great stats early and good abilities for pressuring enemies/securing creeps.
Please do make the video on how complex Dota is. I think it'd make for a fun 1h long essay that will get 1m views in first week. I believe in you Pewdiepie Channel
@@charlesc3894 except if they don't have those, they're considered the worst adc ever. And they almost always get rolled by a top player bc league doesn't understand what carry means most of the time
I say this with love, but i main melee carries in DOTA and i’d be hard pressed to call them radically different lmao, Jugg, Sven, Chaos Knight, and Wraith King basically have the same game plan as “run up to you and beat you to death”
@@dwiatmika9563 they all have a dash, they all have a skillshot, they all have a global mechanic ability. and if they don't, they will eventually get reworked to fit that format
@@NakedGhost3234 yeah , Now lets add flash spell to a champion who already have 2 dashes with low cooldown on their abilities and voila ! happy balanced gaming, Last time i dared to try league of legends got 3 types of ADHD
@@StarLight-zh5tn people don't even realise LoL is massively successful because more than half of it's playerbase are from the most densely populated area in the planet. There's been no Chinese TI winner in years because they don't dominate Dota like CIS and EU do. They all go to League instead because they suck ass strategically
7 days ago in one match Ancient 4-5 bracket, I had a literal 5 minute nonstop clash and ended with defeat but it was a glorious one. Hearing this kind of issue from a LoL player doesnt really have an impact
I really like that long fight Like 2 years ago i play omniknight and i use my ult 2 times its litterally like a battlefield we retreat they chase they retreat we chase And all of us buyback, it sure are glorious
@@bestiaalfin1061 i do.. when i land purge he die easily, but sometimes the cow charge me from other side of the world with invisibility and supa speedo and i die without able to press any button
I have to say as a league player who plays dota sometimes, dota is truly way more fun to play (yes, I'm the guy in your team who plays pos5 rubick and rushes dagon to assert dominance)
There was this league player i enjoyed watching before he quit. His game name was Imaqtpie. When sylas(a mage champ) came out this was his literal reaction to the hero spotlight -oh wow an amazing set of skills, an amazing regular skill that is a used to harass and also clear wave, an amazing regular skill that is used to dodge skillshots/create distance, an amazing regular skill that is used to gap close/CC, an amazing ultimate that deals shitton of damage to kill. he said all this in the most sarcastic way possible and proceeded to say he is tired of every new champ having the exact same style. thing is, riot knew ppl hated these same but different but still same champ releases and tried some unique releases (aphelios, kled, k'sante) and the result is insane memes. -Aphelios, basically a hero with aoe targeted echo slam that can deal 15k dmg in one hit. -ksante, bristleback with the slot and kite of pudge, ultimate of batrider and dmg of leshrac. -kled, basically Wraith King from Wish. u have 2 health bars, good spells health bar and shit spells health bar, if u survive and hit enemy enough or get a kill-assist, you get the good health bar back. edit: forgot to add the new invoker they have, basically a hero that has 10 dmg spells, just that all spells have different uwu wow animations, and the character is a korean femboy looking guy. any release they tried that was supposed to be unique flopped hard. they nerfed it until its unuseable or reverted the changes. the pro scene of league has such adhd players that hates any uncertainty that they removed gem of true sight from game and only sentries are allowed which dont actually show the enemy, just the shadow of it.
Ok, so I have played over 800 hours on both games with more time spent in league just because I like the design a bit more. I will say this: Dota is more complex and has a lot to offer and plays like chess, while League feels like a constant knife fight with everything being snappy and quick and teamfights never lasting longer than 10 seconds and decided in less than 5 seconds.
there's something wrong with you if you think that horribly looking LOL with trash animation and designs that fits WOW is better looking then dota. one of the main reasons why dota players dislike league is bad visuals
Dotas a watered down rts while league is a weird fighting game. Sounds about right. I'd prefer dota nowadays since I rather play slow and strategic than to lose all macro decisions off of my cold hands not able to pass the 0.2 sec reaction time check. Though, I would say the recent qol changes in dota don't give me that punishing but rewarding early game that it did 10 years ago.
But diamondprox is solely a jungler famous for playing extremely basic stat check champions (udyr shyvana) that have the most similarity to dotas basic heroes lol.
Dota has such a long history that has allowed complexity to build, I remember in early 2000s when I used to play DOTA all stars , I picked up DOTA2 18months ago and was very impressed with all the development the game has gone through yet still remaining true to its origins. It’s just as fun as it was before but with more content, very chess like
Am I really the only guy who has trouble trying to read every visuals their abilities display in LoL? It's like all of their abilities look the same here and there, it felt like trying to distinguish their visuals that has blended with its environment, I can't see what their abilities do until I die 3 secs later. Well before you decide to reply, I play Dota 2, thank you very much and I have tried to play League multiple times, but I just hate having to rely on pure instinct, reflexes, speed, and accuracy just to effectively kill someone in the game, that might as well be owning everyone.
Dota is like a home-cooked meal, to League being a restaurant meal. In Dota, you have to make a lot of the fun, and a big part of it is looking at what you have ingredient-wise (enemy and team heroes) and then deciding what kind of seasonings you need (items) to help pull off the dish and make it satsifying. In League, there's pretty much a prescribed way that champions will be built, and a generally consistent pool of characters per lane. You're getting served a dish, and if you don't like it you should've ordered something else.
Yes dota doesn't have heroes that do 10000 different stuff (excluding Invoker), but they are very good at what few things they do, also every hero has a different abilities and capabilities, there are no 2 heroes that you can pick either and game will play out same way, in LOL whether you pick Lulu or Janna bears a minimal different, whether you pick Seraphine or Sona makes mostly no difference, don't even get me started on melee ad assassins who all play around diving deep killing squishy hero and running away with Duskblade passive, no two heroes in Dota have such identical playstyle. Plus Dota 2 this year is completely different game from Dota 2 from previous year, Valve updates game every year quite massively to keep it fresh, while LOL this year is the same game it was 5 years ago, there is no massive updates to game, map has only received trivial changes, items are soulless deprived of any identity (adc items exist on completely different level of identity crisis) while in Dota 2 every item is completely different from one another. Yes, Dota doesn't have a lot of skillshots, nor does it need more of them, game is fun and complex even in their absence.
The time Ceb play Legue of trash for a charity and 6 min in he made rage quit a player with 8k hours in LoL Ceb- I can smash the keyboard and get all the last hits...-
I feel like LoL Champ skills follow a very specific set of rules. Dota heroes are skills created around a hero concept, wich is why some heros can be inherently broken when their numbers get tweaked too much. But then again, everything in Dota is broken, so who cares?
You got me with the Rubick part "this is why the school shootings happen". Dude - I played most of my dota life as a support, barely any carry. When I decided to try League for real this time - I just said "no", because I couldn't figure out the teleportation scroll, not even the training 5vAI. And the amount of sweat, even in a training is just... I wanted to drive over my whole League team with a 7TP tank and impale them like Vlad the Impaler. That's why I stick to Dota - same garbage, same skills, same pro moments. Same faces and Mav - the newest humor and kind heart
@@Technasmaa personal anecdote of mine but one of my friends decided playing league on his first try, he said he was tired of dota i suppose he is 2.5k immortal, he mastered league in 1 week he said lmao,
@@Technasma i was like 9k mmr dota player, decided to play league, got to EUW master in like 50 days, and i still had 57% wr and could just grind all the way to chal, but the game is just shit. No VC = shit game. Just me, a guy with a brain, and 4 useless fuckers every game that can not comperhend what teamwork is. If a Chal league player ever tried playing dota, they would be unironically fucking hardstuck at 4k mmr for years.
he went easy in this vid, he used saksa as a winner ranking 60, TI3 highest mmr is around 7.2k dendi was 6.6-6.8k at the time, RGM won TI3 with 3.7k mmr also ana won ti8 with no mmr calibration(basically unranked)
bro i played dota1 9years dota2 3 years lol 12 years The amount of outplay that can be made in LOL is infinite compared to dota.. Dota is about counterplay and game knowledge. You can just learn and get good Lol is about outplay and reaction time while the game is waay more fast paced. Dota is a moba made like a strategy game. Lol is a moba made like a fighting game. But bro we are mortals...so let the numbers speak for themselves
But i get his point which has been discussed by many. LoL aren't "boring" because they don't have much reliance on skills having to hit the enemies every minutes or so (simply put, consideration towards skills cooldown). Meanwhile Dota has always been this moba that punish heavily when you miss your skills due to long cooldown or how a team's worth skill coordination means everything (due to combo or consideration of enemies counter initiative). Dota definitely is "boring" because of that complicated mechanics and higher level of consideration towards skill cooldown since if you can't always just activate your skills nonchalantly. For confirmation, i did play Dota 2 for several years but had never play LoL. I only watch a few LoL games only when my favorite streamers played it back then 😂
I've tried my hand at all three games: HoN, LoL, and Dota 2. I've even participated in tournaments for each of them. Based on my experience, I can confidently say that Dota 2 stands out as the most complex, enjoyable, and intense compared to HoN and LoL.
High ground, denying, invise, macro, couriers, having multiple units, the fact that heroes don't need to be played as 1 exact position, items actually have impact, disables( fear, sleep, any forms of stun...) and etc. and the other side: the actual working client, proper tutorial and freedom of learning inside the game, the visuals, the overall design. Like, are you playing moba or a really hentai version of it with no voice chat where you can't even pick your hero if you didn't buy it?
Saying DotA 2 lacks uniqueness and every hero is bland is so funny. That's literally quite the opposite. Every hero has vastly different playstyles... which you can alter and change with whatever items you choose. No DotA game ever goes the exact same way as the last. I'm not going to say LoL doesn't have uniqueness to their characters, I like league, but they reuse a lot of elements in their characters abilities.
Ive played dota 1,hon,lol,dota2,ml Let me tell you this,from dota 1 to hon and dota 2,its an upgraded graphic,the gameplay mechanic is the same But from dota/hon to lol/ml is completely downgrading yourself I get bored playing lol and ml after a few hours,its too easy
I watch a lot of LoL pro match and it's all about which CARRY can get more gold then the opposite CARRY, even in team fight it's hard for the team with under level CARRY to do a COMBACK unlike dota where you still can have a chance to win if your team doing a right combo or stunt lock.
As a wise person once said, "LoL is as easy to learn as checkers, but is played later like chess. Dota, on the other hand, is as hard to learn as chess at first, but later is played like checkers."
Saksa is the worst player to use in that example. Sure he was rank 60 at that time, but at one point the rank 1,2 and 3 spots were saksa, fakesaksa, and fakefakesaksa
man i remember playing dota when i was very young XD i didn't know how to move, always trying to use wasd But when i learnt to play i always played against bots, and loved broodmother, lifestealer and chen. I played at those times when broodmother becomes invisible in her web.. so yeah long fucking time, and even there's a stat of when you played for first time, i don't remember the date but yeah.. i am shy that players might see it and be like "oh, this one's a veteran" when in reality i didn't touch the game in years 🤣
I will say that without a shadow of a doubt that DotA is a much more complex game when compared to LoL, however League has better R34 so they win I guess
Fot me personally, most of lol champion are designed with skill combo in mind, like each champ have a complete skill set, and they can do war alone, things like you cast skill 1 hit enemy, use skill 2 thay have 2s CD if it hit it reduce skill 1 CD, and of every skill hit you gain some sort of stack, if stack full and cast ult it reset and reduce CD of skill 1 and 2 That kind of stuff But in dota its not the case, yes some hero have complete combo on its own, but usually each skill can be use for other thing outside of combo, it have other utility on its own and this utility usually the one mostly used rather then pulling off combo on team war alone Well i not playing for over 5 years so idk, last new hero i still play is grimstroke I think this the reason why lol apear more flashy and snapy in their fight
🤣 League player will lose their mind just try pressing all the buttons.League is all about who press dash button faster and dodging each others skills i have played both and dota is more complex and has diverse hero skills
I dont understand how anyone can say that dota heroes are boring. Dota makes every hero really unique and interesting through the use of what league players call "overpowered" abilities. Every hero has their own gimmick which makes them seem overpowered in theory, but it makes them fun. Meanwhile league heroes end up seeming like copies/knock offs of each other. Often, no matter the situation, one hero is just a better version of another. The devs wont experiment with cool mechanics in fear of the community complaining about how difficult or unfair they are.
Dota is more complex but sucks to play so what is the point of complexity? League is fun and attracts a lot more players making it more competitive than dota
For me dota has just more heritage as game series, since i played little warcraft and dota 1 when i was teen. League as an idea does not feel the same. Never tried it though. However i realy liked HoN between dota1 and 2.
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"Rubick" is a boring hero? He plays the same every game?
He was lying out of his ass, I've noticed that most lol players would rather lie than actually try dota out. I watched a lol streamer(sneaky) that was doing a dota 2 patch review and quite a few people saying absurd things about dota but obviously haven't played it. My favourite one was someone saying he had thousands of hours and 6k mmr but says that dota didn't have mana and space management, then I pointed out that I play the spirit bros and managing mana is all I do when I play them, he say that he never rans out of mana when playing storm😂😅
prolly he doesn't use his ulti
So boring they had to steal his ult for sylas
@@saidrakhmiddin9860 And skills too. Don't use your skills and you will never run out of mana 4Head
My reason why I think dota sucks compared to league is because I cant get out of guardian.
LoL still copies Dota 2 with their new offbrand Invoker champ💀
and people still saying League is harder and more complex while still copying Dota...
And they've been crying about it how hard to master it 😂 BS walmart invoker
Bro they copied CS as well like imagine building a company by stealing all the published Idea's and saying we are better and make it balanced and then all of a sudden some 14 yr old says Lol is better than DOTA Lmfao
League steals the best from Dota, Dota steals the worst from League like that god awful vision mechanic where you press Mars or NS ulti and it hinders vision only for you making fog of war not the same for every player in the team. Literally the worst mechanic in Dota from launch.
@@someoneelse5505 leagues is ass. Period.
Let them LOL players try invoker, then let see how long it takes for them to master basic combo (tornado, meteor, blast) 😂😂😂
Not to mention there's different lift duration depens on the level of quas orb. 😂😂😂
Very unbiased reporting! that‘s how i like my journalism. well done mav ❤
? dota2 >>>> league of larvas
@@eriksen59 Sigma 2 vs league of lgbt
@@lbatsul123dead game vs moba game
@@boiscooka232 Just because many woke people play a game doesnt make it "alive". Just because you don't play a game it doesnt mean is "dead"
@@lbatsul123dead cuz only good thing about it(TI prize pool) is dead
I like how he mentioned that Rubick is a rather simple hero ... lol
oh yeah, the only thing easier than rubick is Chen
It might be if you hapen to be player such as Topson.
U need to master every hero to be a master of grandmagus
That's what new players with little game knowledge usually say.
depending on the playstyle. It doesn't need too much IQ to spam 2nd skill with Phylactery to kill people. If you want to unleash the whole potential of the hero then yeah, it's hard
1:55 My guy, at one point Saksa was rank 1, 2 and 3 with different accounts on the EU leaderboards
I don’t think he was insinuating that saksa is bad at the game. I think his point was, just because you are at the top of the leaderboard on Dota, that does not mean your team is winning.
The thing that make people see or perceive LoL as a more fun or complex is how flashy that game is. Blinking somewhere hitting something then blinking again to hit another "skillshot" then some tornadoes then blinking again etc. And reason why LoL players think their heroes are more complex is their all heroes have combo of their own. If you do this, this skill gets cd reduction, if you do this tornado will appear and if you hit this skill something will explode and that makes LoL not really reliant on team and makes it easier to show off their "skill".
Daymn...that sounds Just like Mobile Legend lol...
If combos make a game complex then every fighting game would casually shit on LOL
@@kiro253 yea it is, thats exactly what mlbb took from the equation
@@kiro253 well, it is, coz mlbb based on lol (they even stealed some of the map assets at the beginning of game live :) )
league is hard because you need 1 million apm to win the game
dota is hard because you need 1 million words per minute to win the trashtalk
actually if you want to play high apm, Dota has heroes for it that LoL could only dream of.
@@ddenozormeepo.
there's less trash talk in LoL because everyone surrenders after the first little thing goes wrong
while on the other hand, Dota holds you hostage in an unwinnable game you don't want to play. Hard to say what's better.@@mahatmasloth6543
@@mahatmasloth6543yeah cuz dota doesn’t have ff
When the LoL player didn't hit a close-quarter skill, imagine this guy trying to hit an enemy using Mirana's 2nd skill 🤣
don't forget about the enemy movement too, you can kite a lot of skills just in front of their owners
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The thing I love with dota is it has a wider range of what the heroes do, in league all adcs are basically the same and when you introduce a new mechanic its absolutely busted and people complain sometimes with reason (viego passive, akshan rez, ksante being ksante). In dota heroes are more unique and since all have a very specific thing they do better than anyone or in a special way they all shine in different games, in league you can just one trick yone. Also yummi exists
I still can’t believe how tall saksa is. Bro is a giant.
Of what I know of league, and it's not much due to not liking the casual side of moba's, their meta's tend to revolve around 20-30 characters and the rest are all jokes or trash, but in dota it's very common for upwards of 2/3 of the roster to be played in professional tournaments, I think the last major had 100? out of 125? picked, quick check and it was 114/123 unique picks.
This is a really good comment
Sign of a Balanced game
And you didn't even mention turn rate animation.
Dota 2 pros: team oriented
Dota 2 cons: team oriented
if you get a team of morons then womp womp, you will not win even if you have a 10k gold overfarm since a hero without a team will just get stunlocked and fucked in every orifice
I prefer my adult.dota Team over some 12yo lol players
man i love pewdiepie
as a person who's never really played either I agree
Top tier journalism
Still one of the funniest shit league players complain about is turn rate as if instanly turning with every hero is "balanced" imagine if Gragas did take longer to turn he might be not as broken anymore but decent balancing and mechanics isn't what league players are used to
i laugh so much on this video habibi great job. lets celebrate with a tea
Love the bashing of LOL in this episode, my buddies thats play LOL tried Dota wit me and its too hard for them lmao
dota is hard its complex that doesnt mean its hard mechanically though. I smashed people in new player queue i join normal all draft and i get smashed by a dude with 1k ranked games and 5k normal games in my first normal draft game its like nice skill diff i guess.
I do believe the less reliance on skillshot aiming in dota really puts emphasis on the strategy aspect on the game while in lol you can get carried just by playing a difficult to master champion with mechanics alone because they're usually designed to lose by getting outplayed and not by bad positioning or other aspects outside of the fighting
Me when less than 50 heroes' kit doesn't let me get a 10 kill streak in the first 5 minutes
I would take it but from a guy whose last major win would be from less then 15 years ago. Thanks for your input diamond, back to the retirement home now.
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note: diamondprox has only played DotA Allstars and not DotA 2
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LoL is just a much simpler game, the skillshots in LoL doesnt require much skill as well.
HAHAHAH LMAO I LAUGHED HARD ON THIS ONE
As a nightstalker main like i literary can only play in half of the game 😂 if being literally bat man is not unique idk what is!
video nailed masterfully!
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As a league player, that also plays dota, Dota heroes have muchh more fun abillities ! wtf how does thsi guy think that its boring when every hero in dota has quite unique abillities while in league recent champions are all like copies of the previous ones in some ways :/. When i compare dota and league heroes/champions i always say that League has better design (does not apply for every hero/champ) however i think dotas heroes have kits that i feel like areeee less restricted compared to league.
I also disagree with some of your takes on league (league also has highgrounds & low grounds but it is not as advanced as dotas, but yeah its there even tho its hard to see whether your skillshot lands or not is based on where you shoot on those specific highground/lowground spots, there were other examples too but ig u just dont play league so its okay i agree with rest of the video tho
This days League is clearly trying to become Dota 2. Guess we know who the superior being is.
not true at all lmao. the only thing they made similar was adding arsenal mage(something like Invoker) to league.
But in generall Riot game is still patching league around outplays and micro skills like dodging skillshots, meanwhile dota is still patched aorund macro.
Adding an arsenal mage with the aesthetics of grimstroke but 50% less cool...
EVERYTHING league does, dota did it FIRST, Better and more of it basically for everything@@krzysztofputerko1943
i mean league did originated from dota itself, do people even know the pendragon incident?
You wish. It would eventually become a superior game if it was, because Rito at least kinda cares, whereas for Valve their own game is a bit of a liability, it seems.
But it just isn't the case. League of oneshots and 20 kills (if that much) per game is getting more and more like itself with time, i.e. snoozefest. It's not a coincidence, but a result of deliberate balancing strategy. Deaths are more punishing than ever. Good ganks aren't as worthwhile as they used to be. One (arguably the only one, other than booba) thing that League had going for it was a lot of small and big skirmishes every game, the fun craziness, back when Dota got stuck in the afk farm Chinese meta for a few years. But DotA has since snapped out of it, whereas League, well...Let's just say I returned to DotA last year for the same reasons I left for League over ten years ago.
And unlike DotA, League has no chance of ever coming back like that, because at this point you would need to dismantle the game back to its bones and reassemble it anew - roll back like 8 years of balancing decisions, items, champions, income system, everything. Because the ones League has now enforce and encourage carebear playstyle.
DOTA 2 and LOL are different, dont compare an adult and a child.
A lot league players cry because they got no XP when enemy players keep denying their creeps
i hate that mechanic. it gives advantage to melee players who can deny almost instantly while range has to have a PhD to calculate how long it takes their missile to hit. not to mention every range champ has a different projectile speed.
It only takes a little bit of a lead before enemy melee laners have more damage than you and can then deny every creep if they are good enough
@@bloodybones8783You are the representation of the comment tbh. Melee heroes as a backswing animation wich is the same as ranged. You only has to calculate the timings once then everything comes naturally. There is no advantage on this, except maybe some ranged heroes like Sniper wich are almost instant, but even then it just means his timing is faster, there is no advantage on this.
I mean you said Melees has an advantage, like, they literally have to walk next to the creep to be able to hit them.
@@KitsuneFaroe melee champs have the same very short animation time that makes it easier to deny creeps while ranged champs have vastly different times before their attack hits. That's an advantage especially in lower elo where most people are. Because of the deny mechanic, players have to choose between last hitting to get exp or harassing the enemy melee champ when he goes up which negates the disadvantage of melee having to walk up to kill creeps. The mechanic also incentivizes snow balling where the more damage your opponent does, the easier he can deny your creeps and put their enemy even more behind
I'd rather have the game start with players trying to kill each other immediately instead of just farming waves.
@@bloodybones8783 u must never laned against a viper or razor as a melee lol. tbh everything u are talking about is overcome through knowledge and experience. I'm assuming from ur xp u were playing pos1 and getting dunked on by some fat melee pos3? thats quite normal in dota lanes. offlane heroes generally have great stats early and good abilities for pressuring enemies/securing creeps.
@@bloodybones8783 Tell me you're trash at dota without telling me you're trash at dota
Please do make the video on how complex Dota is. I think it'd make for a fun 1h long essay that will get 1m views in first week. I believe in you Pewdiepie Channel
whos mike and how he's relevant to pewdiepie channel?
@@justsightseeing1 i corrected my mistake
If u wanna look league and dota comparison complexity video go check tzar potato
1h too short.
It will take more than one hour, my friend. If you know russian, you can watch Boroda4 vids where he digs deep into Dota mechanics.
When someone says league is more diverse List adc champs skill set
Always have a dash, a wave clear.
LOL
@@charlesc3894 except if they don't have those, they're considered the worst adc ever. And they almost always get rolled by a top player bc league doesn't understand what carry means most of the time
I say this with love, but i main melee carries in DOTA and i’d be hard pressed to call them radically different lmao, Jugg, Sven, Chaos Knight, and Wraith King basically have the same game plan as “run up to you and beat you to death”
@@thechozopandash the main weakness of melee carry is they prone to get kited and mostly spell immunity dependant
@@spacetator69 ksante
I learnt russian language from playing CSGO and Dota2... it clearly shows which game is superior... thats right its NFS MostWanted 2005
Underground 2 is better
dota is more about decision making
league is more about fast reactions and "style" stuff teenagers care about
I find league is very boring, every hero design is literally the same, lack of uniqueness
@@dwiatmika9563 they all have a dash, they all have a skillshot, they all have a global mechanic ability. and if they don't, they will eventually get reworked to fit that format
@@NakedGhost3234I know right, the game is an isometric overwatchlike shooter arcade, not a moba.
@@NakedGhost3234 yeah , Now lets add flash spell to a champion who already have 2 dashes with low cooldown on their abilities and voila ! happy balanced gaming, Last time i dared to try league of legends got 3 types of ADHD
@@StarLight-zh5tn people don't even realise LoL is massively successful because more than half of it's playerbase are from the most densely populated area in the planet. There's been no Chinese TI winner in years because they don't dominate Dota like CIS and EU do. They all go to League instead because they suck ass strategically
7 days ago in one match Ancient 4-5 bracket, I had a literal 5 minute nonstop clash and ended with defeat but it was a glorious one. Hearing this kind of issue from a LoL player doesnt really have an impact
I really like that long fight
Like 2 years ago i play omniknight and i use my ult 2 times its litterally like a battlefield we retreat they chase they retreat we chase
And all of us buyback, it sure are glorious
I mean, if he finds 3-5 kills on a single pro match enjoyable... He's not entitled for an opinion.
What
@@sysnico8691 pro lol matches usually end up with ~20 kills total before one team surrends
@@赴大家惡化不得好死時and?
The only thing that's better on league than dota is that league doesnt have spirit breaker and primal beast
Just play SD, its funny to see that madlads turn into disabled Cows.
@@bestiaalfin1061 i do.. when i land purge he die easily, but sometimes the cow charge me from other side of the world with invisibility and supa speedo and i die without able to press any button
I miss Old techies 🙈
@@EramPrinceI miss the oldest iteration that you can walk towards them and they run away thinking you're suicide bombing
@@maunabesanikahe's called the spirit breaker for a reason 😂😊
I have to say as a league player who plays dota sometimes, dota is truly way more fun to play (yes, I'm the guy in your team who plays pos5 rubick and rushes dagon to assert dominance)
Based
dagon rush as pos 5 is the ultimate move on every hero lmao
@@krzysztofputerko1943 the only respectable item rush
The pos5 i want in my team
Nah youshould have bought midas... Then dagon 5, and a freebie obs ward so you can say you are warding
He didn't want to shit in others playing games and made this video, now imagine if he really wanted to shit in others playing games 😂
Mav is an absolute legend 😂
If Dota is trash, I'd still play it than LoL. LoL players can't take the heat of Dota toxicity lmao. No VC is no fun.
There was this league player i enjoyed watching before he quit. His game name was Imaqtpie. When sylas(a mage champ) came out this was his literal reaction to the hero spotlight
-oh wow an amazing set of skills, an amazing regular skill that is a used to harass and also clear wave, an amazing regular skill that is used to dodge skillshots/create distance, an amazing regular skill that is used to gap close/CC, an amazing ultimate that deals shitton of damage to kill.
he said all this in the most sarcastic way possible and proceeded to say he is tired of every new champ having the exact same style.
thing is, riot knew ppl hated these same but different but still same champ releases and tried some unique releases (aphelios, kled, k'sante) and the result is insane memes.
-Aphelios, basically a hero with aoe targeted echo slam that can deal 15k dmg in one hit.
-ksante, bristleback with the slot and kite of pudge, ultimate of batrider and dmg of leshrac.
-kled, basically Wraith King from Wish. u have 2 health bars, good spells health bar and shit spells health bar, if u survive and hit enemy enough or get a kill-assist, you get the good health bar back.
edit: forgot to add the new invoker they have, basically a hero that has 10 dmg spells, just that all spells have different uwu wow animations, and the character is a korean femboy looking guy.
any release they tried that was supposed to be unique flopped hard. they nerfed it until its unuseable or reverted the changes. the pro scene of league has such adhd players that hates any uncertainty that they removed gem of true sight from game and only sentries are allowed which dont actually show the enemy, just the shadow of it.
LoL requires accuracy
Dota requires creativity
Ok, so I have played over 800 hours on both games with more time spent in league just because I like the design a bit more. I will say this: Dota is more complex and has a lot to offer and plays like chess, while League feels like a constant knife fight with everything being snappy and quick and teamfights never lasting longer than 10 seconds and decided in less than 5 seconds.
there's something wrong with you if you think that horribly looking LOL with trash animation and designs that fits WOW is better looking then dota. one of the main reasons why dota players dislike league is bad visuals
If a Teamfight Takes 5 Seconds you Game is bad
Dotas a watered down rts while league is a weird fighting game. Sounds about right.
I'd prefer dota nowadays since I rather play slow and strategic than to lose all macro decisions off of my cold hands not able to pass the 0.2 sec reaction time check. Though, I would say the recent qol changes in dota don't give me that punishing but rewarding early game that it did 10 years ago.
But diamondprox is solely a jungler famous for playing extremely basic stat check champions (udyr shyvana) that have the most similarity to dotas basic heroes lol.
You forgot xz 😂 the dude picks the most basic shit in pro scene
if you want to learn how to ruin someone's life. Play DotA2. Toxicity at its finest 🤣🤣 and that's why I love this game
Dota has such a long history that has allowed complexity to build, I remember in early 2000s when I used to play DOTA all stars , I picked up DOTA2 18months ago and was very impressed with all the development the game has gone through yet still remaining true to its origins. It’s just as fun as it was before but with more content, very chess like
highly disagree with Saksa part of being top 60 only. He was Rank1 with his main and Rank2 with his smurf account at 1 point.
Its funny how most Dota players can play League with little issues, but League players are overwhelmed when they try Dota.
Am I really the only guy who has trouble trying to read every visuals their abilities display in LoL? It's like all of their abilities look the same here and there, it felt like trying to distinguish their visuals that has blended with its environment, I can't see what their abilities do until I die 3 secs later.
Well before you decide to reply, I play Dota 2, thank you very much and I have tried to play League multiple times, but I just hate having to rely on pure instinct, reflexes, speed, and accuracy just to effectively kill someone in the game, that might as well be owning everyone.
Dota is like a home-cooked meal, to League being a restaurant meal. In Dota, you have to make a lot of the fun, and a big part of it is looking at what you have ingredient-wise (enemy and team heroes) and then deciding what kind of seasonings you need (items) to help pull off the dish and make it satsifying.
In League, there's pretty much a prescribed way that champions will be built, and a generally consistent pool of characters per lane. You're getting served a dish, and if you don't like it you should've ordered something else.
League is fast food
was just thinking about how there's nothing like sf in league.
hello my friend. Make more videos just discover you. And this is high level content
league is for the new generation of tik tok users who cant play a match that lasts longer than 10 minutes.*cough* ff 2min *cough*
Eu but somehow most matches go 30+ mins
i would play dota again if everyone wasnt an ass lol, its worse then league
LoL is a scuffed copy pasta from dota. Period.
I played League, then switch to Dota. Both game sucks, sucks my sanity and drain my wallet >:((((((
League players hating on dota are gay
they copied invoker. who's boring now.
Yes dota doesn't have heroes that do 10000 different stuff (excluding Invoker), but they are very good at what few things they do, also every hero has a different abilities and capabilities, there are no 2 heroes that you can pick either and game will play out same way, in LOL whether you pick Lulu or Janna bears a minimal different, whether you pick Seraphine or Sona makes mostly no difference, don't even get me started on melee ad assassins who all play around diving deep killing squishy hero and running away with Duskblade passive, no two heroes in Dota have such identical playstyle. Plus Dota 2 this year is completely different game from Dota 2 from previous year, Valve updates game every year quite massively to keep it fresh, while LOL this year is the same game it was 5 years ago, there is no massive updates to game, map has only received trivial changes, items are soulless deprived of any identity (adc items exist on completely different level of identity crisis) while in Dota 2 every item is completely different from one another. Yes, Dota doesn't have a lot of skillshots, nor does it need more of them, game is fun and complex even in their absence.
3 games of dota take me out for a day 😂😂😂
The time Ceb play Legue of trash for a charity
and 6 min in he made rage quit a player with 8k hours in LoL
Ceb- I can smash the keyboard and get all the last hits...-
I feel like LoL Champ skills follow a very specific set of rules. Dota heroes are skills created around a hero concept, wich is why some heros can be inherently broken when their numbers get tweaked too much. But then again, everything in Dota is broken, so who cares?
New channel but no content.....feelsbadman
You got me with the Rubick part "this is why the school shootings happen".
Dude - I played most of my dota life as a support, barely any carry.
When I decided to try League for real this time - I just said "no", because I couldn't figure out the teleportation scroll, not even the training 5vAI. And the amount of sweat, even in a training is just... I wanted to drive over my whole League team with a 7TP tank and impale them like Vlad the Impaler.
That's why I stick to Dota - same garbage, same skills, same pro moments. Same faces and Mav - the newest humor and kind heart
If a regular dota player starts playing league they would be winning a decent game but on the other hand, LOL.
They wouldnt be winning a decent game 😂
@@Technasmaa personal anecdote of mine but one of my friends decided playing league on his first try, he said he was tired of dota i suppose he is 2.5k immortal, he mastered league in 1 week he said lmao,
@@arnodorian1620 mastered??? 😆
@@arnodorian1620 what do you mean mastered, like he installed it and won tutorial??? 😆
@@Technasma i was like 9k mmr dota player, decided to play league, got to EUW master in like 50 days, and i still had 57% wr and could just grind all the way to chal, but the game is just shit.
No VC = shit game.
Just me, a guy with a brain, and 4 useless fuckers every game that can not comperhend what teamwork is.
If a Chal league player ever tried playing dota, they would be unironically fucking hardstuck at 4k mmr for years.
Wait what Nepo plays Dota? Nice to know. I wonder what will happen If Magnus play Dota 2. I think he will create a way to do 1v5. 😂
Dota is for high IQ
he went easy in this vid, he used saksa as a winner ranking 60, TI3 highest mmr is around 7.2k dendi was 6.6-6.8k at the time, RGM won TI3 with 3.7k mmr
also ana won ti8 with no mmr calibration(basically unranked)
Dota 2 is the best MOBA game - said a DOTA2 player...
LoL player couldn't deny
😂🤣
i mean, theres a custom map "league vs Dota" and see which game is better,
DOTA STILL BETTER THO
bro i played
dota1 9years
dota2 3 years
lol 12 years
The amount of outplay that can be made in LOL is infinite compared to dota..
Dota is about counterplay and game knowledge. You can just learn and get good
Lol is about outplay and reaction time while the game is waay more fast paced.
Dota is a moba made like a strategy game. Lol is a moba made like a fighting game.
But bro we are mortals...so let the numbers speak for themselves
Of course he'll talk trash about Dota, cuz he plays the copy of it.🤣
But i get his point which has been discussed by many. LoL aren't "boring" because they don't have much reliance on skills having to hit the enemies every minutes or so (simply put, consideration towards skills cooldown). Meanwhile Dota has always been this moba that punish heavily when you miss your skills due to long cooldown or how a team's worth skill coordination means everything (due to combo or consideration of enemies counter initiative). Dota definitely is "boring" because of that complicated mechanics and higher level of consideration towards skill cooldown since if you can't always just activate your skills nonchalantly.
For confirmation, i did play Dota 2 for several years but had never play LoL. I only watch a few LoL games only when my favorite streamers played it back then 😂
I've tried my hand at all three games: HoN, LoL, and Dota 2. I've even participated in tournaments for each of them. Based on my experience, I can confidently say that Dota 2 stands out as the most complex, enjoyable, and intense compared to HoN and LoL.
Lol = Mobile legends pc version (just click whatever you got first to kill enemy)
High ground, denying, invise, macro, couriers, having multiple units, the fact that heroes don't need to be played as 1 exact position, items actually have impact, disables( fear, sleep, any forms of stun...) and etc.
and the other side: the actual working client, proper tutorial and freedom of learning inside the game, the visuals, the overall design. Like, are you playing moba or a really hentai version of it with no voice chat where you can't even pick your hero if you didn't buy it?
Saying DotA 2 lacks uniqueness and every hero is bland is so funny.
That's literally quite the opposite. Every hero has vastly different playstyles... which you can alter and change with whatever items you choose. No DotA game ever goes the exact same way as the last. I'm not going to say LoL doesn't have uniqueness to their characters, I like league, but they reuse a lot of elements in their characters abilities.
Ive played dota 1,hon,lol,dota2,ml
Let me tell you this,from dota 1 to hon and dota 2,its an upgraded graphic,the gameplay mechanic is the same
But from dota/hon to lol/ml is completely downgrading yourself
I get bored playing lol and ml after a few hours,its too easy
I watch a lot of LoL pro match and it's all about which CARRY can get more gold then the opposite CARRY, even in team fight it's hard for the team with under level CARRY to do a COMBACK unlike dota where you still can have a chance to win if your team doing a right combo or stunt lock.
As a wise person once said, "LoL is as easy to learn as checkers, but is played later like chess. Dota, on the other hand, is as hard to learn as chess at first, but later is played like checkers."
magnus carlsen is have literally 2 dota heroes in his name wtf lol
Saksa is the worst player to use in that example. Sure he was rank 60 at that time, but at one point the rank 1,2 and 3 spots were saksa, fakesaksa, and fakefakesaksa
man i remember playing dota when i was very young XD i didn't know how to move, always trying to use wasd
But when i learnt to play i always played against bots, and loved broodmother, lifestealer and chen.
I played at those times when broodmother becomes invisible in her web.. so yeah long fucking time, and even there's a stat of when you played for first time, i don't remember the date but yeah.. i am shy that players might see it and be like "oh, this one's a veteran" when in reality i didn't touch the game in years 🤣
League is checkers
Dota is chess.
League is for kids who can’t play REAL mechanics.
I will say that without a shadow of a doubt that DotA is a much more complex game when compared to LoL, however League has better R34 so they win I guess
Saksa being not top tier isn’t a regular thing. A year back he had 3 of his accounts at 1,2,3. Saksa, fakesaksa, fakefakesaksa lmao
Fot me personally, most of lol champion are designed with skill combo in mind, like each champ have a complete skill set, and they can do war alone, things like you cast skill 1 hit enemy, use skill 2 thay have 2s CD if it hit it reduce skill 1 CD, and of every skill hit you gain some sort of stack, if stack full and cast ult it reset and reduce CD of skill 1 and 2
That kind of stuff
But in dota its not the case, yes some hero have complete combo on its own, but usually each skill can be use for other thing outside of combo, it have other utility on its own and this utility usually the one mostly used rather then pulling off combo on team war alone
Well i not playing for over 5 years so idk, last new hero i still play is grimstroke
I think this the reason why lol apear more flashy and snapy in their fight
What abt invoker…leagues is like mobile legends…dota way more complex and versatile
🤣 League player will lose their mind just try pressing all the buttons.League is all about who press dash button faster and dodging each others skills i have played both and dota is more complex and has diverse hero skills
I dont understand how anyone can say that dota heroes are boring. Dota makes every hero really unique and interesting through the use of what league players call "overpowered" abilities. Every hero has their own gimmick which makes them seem overpowered in theory, but it makes them fun. Meanwhile league heroes end up seeming like copies/knock offs of each other. Often, no matter the situation, one hero is just a better version of another. The devs wont experiment with cool mechanics in fear of the community complaining about how difficult or unfair they are.
League player when they realized mobile legend exists:
Yeyyy i finally can win an argument .
Lmao pugde skill shot is legend , and mars spear arena combo , clockwerk ult , mirana , lina W ,...
Dota is more complex but sucks to play so what is the point of complexity? League is fun and attracts a lot more players making it more competitive than dota
TLDR : any games or heroes are good, but player problem. simple as that.
For me dota has just more heritage as game series, since i played little warcraft and dota 1 when i was teen. League as an idea does not feel the same. Never tried it though. However i realy liked HoN between dota1 and 2.