PHONE CAUGHT FIRE ONBOARD | Jetblue Crew Praised for their Job!
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Lithium battery fire... probably the thing I fear most. The most uncontainable fire that you can find on an airplane right now?
The crazy modern powerbanks from dodgy manufacturers are my nightmare. Massive electrical storage and no proper QA.
@@OCinneide You just know how to make people's stomachs drop. You never know what other people have in the bags they throw around on the plane.
And the govt wants to mandate us to use battery powered cars…rolling min nukes
It makes me nervous on planes, and when I’m driving through a bridge tunnel I don’t know what the protocol is if an electric vehicle catches fire because those are notoriously hard to put out and burn extremely hot
I thought the go to recommendation for a lithium battery fire was a bucket of sand, not water. I expected that by now there would be a bucket of sand on every flight just in case. I mean I'd also expect that every flight would have an epi-pen on board but apparently that's only about 70% of flights currently.
That is the most professional handling of an emergency I have heard in quite a while. Well done by everyone.
Especially by US ATC.
That's a nice and solid MAYDAY call
Not 3, but 4 times
It's obviously bad that it happens, but it is nice to hear the actual MAYDAY call rather than faffing around with the all-too-likely alternative of 'declaring emergency' being mentioned somewhere in the middle of a transmission in basically a conversational tone.
@@Tilion462 Yeah I believe this is a perfect example of why it is important to correctly call 'MAYDAY' on the radio. When the pilot does this, it immediately grabs everyone's attention amidst the noisy and busy radio communications.
@@VASAviation Just to be safe, let's call it out one more time.
It seems like we're hearing more "international style" MAYDAY calls in the videos. I wonder if pilots are watching these and other videos and have decided to change their approach if/when it happens to them.
Gotta love waypoint NIMOY...Live long and prosper!
OT - I heard this thing yesterday on a YT Shorts or Tik Tok facts series. JFK in 1965 took a cab to his hotel during the DNC? He couldn't pay at the car, so the taxi driver went with him or followed him inside until he was paid. The taxi driver was Leonard Nimoy. I'll find the clip for anyone if you need it. There were 3 or 4 stories on it so it may not Google.
He was from Boston
OT - I heard this thing yesterday on a YT Shorts series. JFK in 1965 took a cab to his hotel during the DNC? He couldn't pay at the car, so the taxi driver went with him or followed him inside until he was paid. The taxi driver was Leonard Nimoy. I'll find the clip for anyone if you need it. There were 3 or 4 stories on it so it may not Google.
Amazing to see the tone shift from everyone once mayday is called. United and jetblue 1833 went from joyal talk to short and sharp. The crew and atc did well..
United and Jetblue 1833 were on a different frequency than the emergency when it was declared. United actually never got in the same frequency as JBU988.
The Jetblue 988 acted really according to the textbook.
@@VASAviation Ah my bad.. i thought they were in the same frequency..
Time and time I am impressed with the ability of ATC to keep tabs on so many different flights and manage emergencies. Well done everyone involved!
Excellent job-clear communication, immediate action, no need to repeat information. Pilots and ATC really brought their A game today.
Wow JetBlue 1833 has a strong bahstan accent
😂😂😂
110% chance homeboy lives within 10 miles of Logan lol
Actually, it is a Dorchester accent from South Boston, aka "Southy". I used to live there. Couldn't understand anybody.
Didn’t know Bill Burr was a pilot 😂
@@johnzoccomusiche’s a helicopter pilot and talks about it in his bits and podcast.
I used to work with Lithium (not Li-Ion) batteries. One thing you don't realise about lithium batteries (and isn't conveyed in videos) is that the smoke they are pouring out contains a gas called Lithium Dioxide. Outdoors it disperses with a "peeyew!". Inside a plane cabin? If that's not contained quickly, you've got 100 people with breathing problems. And I don't mean a light cough. When we had a bunch of lithium batteries short out, we had to close the factory for the rest of the day due to the outgassing. And we'd put the errant batteries in oil.
It likely helps airplanes exchange their air frequently, but any level is still not good
I had a slightly battered but still usable power charger... what saved my life was that somehow an optical smoke alarm did pick up the fumes it emitted?! it was not visible to the eye at all. all i noticed was that i felt slightly sick, and could barely stand... i thought i had the flu. but when the smoke alarm went off and i had no better idea, i turned off electricity and started checking devices one by one. and i found the culprit. once i opened all windows i felt healthy again.
so the fire is just one (the biggest) issue. the battered yet working devices can also be problematic
FYI, this is why they tell you to call the FAs if you drop your phone in the seat and not move the seat to try to retrieve it. While phone batteries do spontaneously catch on fire, it is extremely rare. What is more common is a fire because the battery was crushed or punctured, perhaps by a seat frame.
wouldn't that also crush a lot of people's hands?
So nice to hear an honest to goodness MAYDAY call in the US (from a US pilot on a US carrier!). So often it's "something something emergency ...", "are you declaring an emergency?", "Yeah, we'll declare an emergency", "confirm, that's an emergency?" 🤦♂
YES! That's how you do it. The rare American MAYDAY call. And there was no need to repeat anything. At least partially because BOS controllers are top notch too.
"At least partially because BOS controllers are top notch too."
When?
In this case, it was done properly.
Hearing MAYDAY used appropriately makes me happy. It makes it clear there is an emergency to be handled and comes across well on busy channels. It is internationally recognised. Any alternatives may be permitted, and are apparently preferred in the US, but I've heard so many "hedged" and waffling declarations of emergency that it's no wonder they are sometimes handled poorly. When things BAD, MAYDAY GOOD.
Well done to the crew and ATC here! That could've been much worse (and lucky the fire got under control quickly)
Ehm, is it me or are all these folks in this video communicating quite beautifully? Also before the emergency. Not just the emergency.
FedEx has whisky. I have Duvel.
@@angelinasouren 😅
I really like the controller's "if and when able" on the fuel/souls question.
And that´s the reason why Cellphones shouldn´t be put into the checked baggage. Well done by the Crew, both, Cabin Crew and Pilots.🙂👍
Thank you very much for picking this incident up.
I'm sure that got everyone's hearts pounding, but well handled.
That is how it is supposed to be done. Great job everyone.
Great job, outstanding work by ATC and the crew getting this contained. One of the most feared and critical types of emergencies
1:20 here in Europe, to avoid similar sounding callsigns, a lot of operators use different ATC callsigns than their flight numbers. Example, “TRA5628” becomes “TRA1W”. It mitigates the issue United and JetBlue had and makes your own callsign stand out more easily in a terminal area.
See, this wouldn't have been a problem if they had just put it in airplane mode...
Irony Mode ON
At least the plane was in airplane mode
They need to add cell phone mode to airplanes.
I hope nobody breathed that smoke in!
Yeah - witnessed some fire tests with Li-ion batteries at an aircraft fire safety lab. The thermal runaway makes these things burn up really fast.
But in the cockpit there are storage boxes that are designed to withstand those fires.
I wonder what the protocol is for a battery fire in the cabin. At least the preflight safety instructions nowadays mention to notify crew when electronic devices “fall into the seat structure” or heat up.
3:19 really appreciate the controller giving out heading info in case visibility is affected in cockpit
Seen the video from China of the poor guy with an e-bike battery in the elevator? It practically incinerated him. The amount of power in a lithium battery is scary.
Very, very scary. And still no decent means to put it out quick and safe.
@@VASAviation Well, a battery fire in a phone or tablet, and maybe a laptop, can be contained.
An e-bike battery is already up a level, that could be difficult.
@@VASAviation Even releasing the electrical energy is a huge problem, it only gets worse if the gasses liberated by that energy burn too.
If I remember correctly from some training half a century ago, there was a lithium battery about the size of a "D" cell battery in a module aboard our F-4 fighters. We were taught the energy inside that battery was roughly the equivalent of that in a grenade, and to never short out that battery as that could release all that energy at once.
@@Tom_Loshand the technology and energy storage has only increased since the F-4 days!
They covered it with water in the trash can? A Lithium-Battery?? Don't all aircrafts now have special "cases" for this kind of problem?
idk in Europe we tend to have some special metal case for this, that could fit a laptop... not sure if it's a local regulation or if airlines just do it
From the National Fire Prevention Association website: "Firefighters should use water to fight a lithium-ion battery fire. Water works just fine as a fire extinguishing medium since the lithium inside of these batteries are a lithium salt electrolyte and not pure lithium metal."
It is amazing how wrong a supposed fire prevention association can be.
@@johnmknox They are not wrong here.
@@johnmknox There's also a FEMA webinar on the subject which agrees... search "FEMA lithium ion batteries". They're not one of those associations, btw.
@@johnmknox What's your qualification, John?
Lithium cells do not contain elemental Lithium. This is just as water contains hydrogen but does not explode at random - the hydrogen is not free.
Water on a lithium pack does a few things. It removes heat to reduce the change of a chain reaction to adjacent cells, it stops the ignition of adjacent materials and it also helps discharge adjacent cells so there's less stored energy and less chance of runaway.
It will not shut down the primary fire but it will reduce the chance of spread.
Chilled brine directly into the battery pack is the way to go for rapid containment and limitation of Lithium pack fires.
Good reason to treat your phpnes with respect and care
Honestly I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often. Li-Ion batteries are everywhere these days.
It's happening more and more. A few days ago a Tesla semi caught fire on I-80 in Northern California. The freeway was closed for a couple of days.
Part of the saving grace has been the rapid turn over rate of devices, as people get the newest phone, tablet, or lap top every other month. That means the batteries didn't age.
As the turn over rate declines and devices get older the batteries are going to start failing. Couple that with the stupid decision by manufacturers to integrate the batteries and make them non-removable and its a recipe for cook off.
It happens pretty often, this channel alone has plenty of examples
@@vanceb1
15 hours or so.
Not days but still an event.
@@Penoatle only because they let it burn out and didn’t cover it too
I thought I read somewhere that airlines now carry heavy thick metallic 'heat tolerant' burn bags for things like this.
All of them? I think not
Perhaps None of them actually. Not the airline I work for. Scary
@@stoldrag85 I know Delta carries a lithium ion containment bag
Top class work by professionals on the ground and in the air.
Question for the pro pilots; when you hear a MAYDAY call on frequency, how does it feel? How do you react? Do any of your processes/techniques change?
If I hear nother pilot decalre MAYDAY, our mood changes in our aircraft. Radio tecnique changes a bit.
I always like to put my lithium batteries in water to put the fire out. Works every time. 😅
Water doesn't usually works for lithium batteries. It's so hot that it's still active.
@@VASAviationwhoosh
@@VASAviation You just need enough water to absorb the entire battery capacity.
I think I calculated 200L of water to dissipate a 200kWh battery (for a comment about EVs).
1L of water should suffice for a cell phone.
@@jamesphillips2285lithium is highly reactive with water though
I detect sarcasm. 😂
I'm not sure how you put together these radar scopes but amazing recreation
Thanks
Since we keep using phones even after they've got smashed screens or run hot or with bulging batteries, this will keep happening. New phones are expensive and many don't have an option to change phones as long as they "work."
Change the battery! If you can't afford a battery replacement, then you probably shouldn't be paying $80 a month for a phone either.
@@tommaxwell429I don’t think you understand how being poor actually works.
Also $80 seems a bit excessive, you can get a budget “unlimited” plan for like $30.
@@tommaxwell429 I see your point, but I think it's a little judgemental in that a lot of people can't live without a cellphone anymore. $80 is a ton of money too, someone might have an old phone with a cheap plan so they're not also on a payment plan for their phone. At the same time, without a phone you will struggle to find a job, access a work schedule, find a place to live, pay bills, access healthcare, even communicate with your child's daycare or work a gig job. We need our phones and I have all of the empathy for people who can't afford to fix a phone if it breaks.
Personally, I did try change the battery on my previous phone. No repair shop would touch it because it wasn't a Samsung or IPhone, so when it started overheating badly and had a 2h battery life, I had to buy a new one on a payment plan. I've now paid it off, it's 2 years old, and the battery is starting to go. I will pay the $150 to change the battery as soon as I can afford it, because otherwise the phone works great.
I was just on this aircraft two weeks ago… crew were great and professional for my flight as well, so this doesn’t surprise me!
Fire aboard an aircraft= nightmare fuel. Good that the training kicked in and it was handled quickly. Great on-air work by all involved.
The controller was superb. Went from the usual fast verbal pace to slower and CLEARLY talking to the incident aircraft. And the best line was, "JB988 IF and when able say souls onboard and fuel remaining." This phrasing should be standard.
ATC ,,, 10 /10 ,,, few talk ,basic vectors ... clear speach ... thats it
Damn I want to listen to that mix tape
And this, kids, is how a MAYDAY call is meant to be done. Basically all on frequency STFU and listen to this emergency message NOW.
They need to start carrying the rc lipo battery bags in airplanes to contain phone fires...
They do.
Most airlines have a kit containing pretty much exactly that and procedures/training on how to fight seat/mobile phone fires. Looks like the cabin crew did this
Not most, not many airlines carry said containment bag.
This fire was contained with water, even though water is said to NOT be a very efficient containment source. I’d say they got lucky getting it contained. They did not have/use any sort of containment bag because like most airlines, there was/is not one on board.
2:40 I’m pretty sure it’s “care” 410, as in Cape Air. They’re based in Boston
The spelling for their callsign is “CAIR” not “care,” fyi
@@Peter-sv4mk Makes sense, I’ve only heard it but never used it. Half of my friends went there when we were done with the school
This happening over the ocean is what scares me the most about flying. This crew was able to land quickly... what if you can't?
Put the phone under water. That will extinguish any flames and cool the battery as it discharges. Planes have kits with water/fireproof bags, oven mitts and tongs to drop the phone in the bag then pour water in. Scary situation, but they are prepared.
Like Michael said, the crews are trained on fires and have multiple options to deal with them in flight
Put it under water might not be the best choice with a lithium battery
@@VASAviationairlines train flight attendants to submerge offending devices in a fireproof containment bag with enough water to cover the whole device and then some
@@VASAviation lithium ion batteries do not have any metallic lithium in them and water works well as an extinguishing medium. You're thinking of lithium primary (non-rechargable) batteries which contain lithium metal and water is not a good way to put out those fires. As others have said, the biggest problem with lithium ion battery fires is that the energy is coming from the stored charge so even if you put out the flames, if the short circuit still exists, there will still be lots of heat and it will catch fire again if the water boils off.
One of my fears
This is why I prefer to buy portable electronics from name brands. Unlike the brands that pop up on AliExpress, Wish, Temu, and similar bargain basement sites; the name brands need to focus on battery safety lest they end up like the Samsung Galaxy Note 7
I thought they had special containment bags for this.
no thermal containment bag?
If they fire went out when the they put it in water it wasn't a lithium fire as lithium burns underwater.
If it's a cellphone, I guess it was a lithium battery?
@@VASAviation They must have got very lucky. Maybe it was magic water.
@@johnmknox There's a difference between fires caused by lithium batteries and lithium-ion batteries. For a Lithium battery fire you should use a powder extinguisher, but for lithium-ion batteries water will do, and indeed the recommended extinguisher for such fires is usually water with some fire retarding additives.
@@fruitshuit exactly!
You can put out lithium fires with water, it just takes an order of magnitude more water than other types of fire.
For example a wood fire of comparable size could be put out with a sizable glass of water, but a li fire would need more than a gallon.
Also if you don’t fully cool and discharge the battery it’s likely to reignite, far more so than other fire types.
It was a matter of time!!!! Our iPads are the same thing 👀👀👀👀
This is why you can’t check anything with a battery.
Someone must’ve been watching a compilation of my landings
Fire on an aircraft, one of the worst emergencies you can have especially a lithium battery fire.
Mayday on phone fire? Wow how times have changed
Good job by everybody.
Fire on board aircraft is my number 1 fear. A cell phone fire could have been serious. Airliners should have a fire container available for something like cell phone fires. Some grabbers to pick up the device and place it in a small airtight container that fired CO2 into the space to choke the fire and contain it.
It's surprising to see that they don't have fire containment bags in the front/rear galleys and somewhere midships. Water may extinguish a small LiPO fire but there is nothing stopping the battery from self igniting again once damaged. Good job nonetheless.
Exactly, some luck here and the close proximity to land was on their side.
When the pillow gets too spicy...
Great, but now we’ll have to buy fireproof boxes to carry our phones in when we travel.
Epi-pens need to be on 100% of all commercial aircraft and to be honest, we need a Jettison compartment for a device slightly larger than a Laptop on all new plane designs, there is zero reason why not to do it. Let's say an HF transmitter catches fire, quick disconnect, and Jettison that thing, it's all modular. Fireproof gloves are a must of course.
idk i saw that in Europe a lot... not sure if it's a local thing? it looks like some big metal document holder/trash can.
did i miss something? it sounds like bos to lax like it was taking off and the fire made it go back and land or...
Coming from LAX
Have we not developed a laptop sized bag, that would essentially be a fireproof receptacle for phones as well other items powered by lithium batteries?
Yes.
That is probably how it was contained.
While that might work for a fire that needs oxygen (like wood or paper fire), a battery would continue to burn inside the bag, releasing gas which would escape from the bag.
Although, a fireproof bag could prevent the phone from setting other stuff on fire.
Clearly there needs to be a better solution than “put it in a trash can with water” 😅
Hey @VASAviation wondering if you have anything about United 507 Boeing 777 that that diverted to Sacramento due to some mechanical issues with the engines. I drove past Sacramento airport recently and I saw them working on the plane trying to start the engines with heavy smoke coming out the engines. Thx
Did I hear NIMOY 😄🖖🏾👌🏾
Indeed
TIL he was from Boston.
"it's all good, we put it in the trash can with a bunch of other flammables..."
Planes need to carry a metal garbage can with sand so they can put these electronics in it when there is a fire.
….. yes, but they don’t. Scary
Alphanumeric call signs anyone?
Not in the USA
Samsung again?
what brand cellphone?
they covered a lithium fire with water????
Airbus sop, put phone inside water container
A lithium Ion fire, which is very different to a lithium metal fire. Rechargeable cells only contain lithium salts, to provide the ions which move the electrical power internally from one side (electrically, not physically, as the "sides" are actually layered) of the cell to the other so that the power is conserved and can be used later.
Lithium primary (non-rechargeable) cells do contain metallic lithium but are much less common.
They should have something like fireproof vacuum bag or bin which exhales oxygen from inside. 🤔
That exist?
Lithium battery fire is self-sustained (does not draw oxygen from the air) so it would not help. There are special extinguishers, however.
@@VASAviation No, there's no such thing as a "fireproof vacuum bag".
How about a metal box with a cover? Lithium battery fires don't last long but they can be spectacular and hot. The key is to keep the surroundings from catching fire until it burns itself out. Contain it, and it will burn out quickly.
I think gadget battery fires could be made safe with a small pressure vessel that has an overboard vent. Put the offending gadget inside and close the hatch. It could be placed in the galley.
I'm waiting for the day they give fuel and souls on board and add gingers " lol
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Do cellphone catch on fire on the ground?
Of course.
Yes, quite frequently, just not as exciting. Mostly while charging.
0:26 it’s via the PATTS not the APPTS SID by the way
Really??
@@VASAviation yea via the PATTS 6
There is no PATTS 6 at Boston. There is PATTS SEVEN as written there in the captions.
They put a lithium fire in water???
Sounds like it
You know why they did that……because JB and most other airlines DON’T HAVE CONTAINMENT BAGS
Guess the phone isn't made by Boeing
These comments are getting so lame 🥱
@@thestrangeman069 No they're not. Boeing sucks!
Samsung again? 😂
5:20 Oh dear, this is rather alarming! Using water on a lithium battery fire is one of the worst mistakes you can make, it actually makes the fire worse, potentially explosive! It’s astonishing that JetBlue staff aren’t aware of this and haven’t been properly trained to handle lithium battery fires. 🔥🔥🔥
lithium ion batteries do not have any metallic lithium in them and water works well as an extinguishing medium. You're thinking of lithium primary (non-rechargable) batteries which contain lithium metal and water is not a good way to put out those fires. As others have said, the biggest problem with lithium ion battery fires is that the energy is coming from the stored charge so even if you put out the flames, if the short circuit still exists, there will still be lots of heat and it will catch fire again if the water boils off.
@@sbreheny The water works as a heat sink, not as an extinguisher. The metal container just isolates and contains the fire, while the water acts as a heat sink that can be topped up if it seems to be evaporating too fast. It really isn't a problem, as the lithium in a rechargeable Li-ion cell is an ionic salt, not the metallic lithium that reacts with water. Sand is much less effective as it doesn't cool the remaining parts of the cell at all.
It should be alarming. We all should be moving the airlines to provide containment bags
Be advised, putting water on a lithium battery fire is extremely hazardous!!
Yes, lithium loves water like it's jetfuel
You need to deprive it of oxygen to put it out
Nope - it's the recommended procedure to cool the battery while it's destroying itself.
Water can be effective at putting out lithium-ion battery fires because the lithium inside the batteries is a lithium salt electrolyte, which is not reactive with water.
Not true. You might be thinking of a magnesium fire.
Not true
These phones need to be banned from flights.
You'd be banning every device then. Every device these days has a lithium ion battery and most are integrated and not removable because companies want to sell you a new $1700 phone rather than a $100 battery.
@@douglasphillips1203 well just ban all devices as well.
You must be kidding
Boeing Should have a Door or Hatch to Eject Passagers at the Crews will [+]💨💨💨✈
This had nothing to do with Boeing. Take a break from watching too much CNN
I have a 37 ft sailboat and not sure of installing lithium batteries and wanted an E bike but changed that idea. I fly a lot but question my phone's safety.
Paranoid!
The batteries for your sailboat are likely lithium iron phosphate (LFP or LiFePO4). Completely different chemistry and far less volatile than lithium-ion or lithium-polymer chemistries.