I think though Lois’s negative reaction to Clark keeping a secret identity from her is not entirely rational, it makes sense with what we learned about her baggage from her dad. All the characters in this show have flaws, which is a good thing.
What’s absurd about her getting hypocritically angry was that.. Lois lied to Clark and jimmy about what Perry White told her about the robots story to get them to join her (1st episode) She lied to Clark about the text Perry white sent her telling them to come back Clark then saves her life and stands up for her in front of Perry white Oh, and Lois steals the other anchors badges and then coerces Clark and Jimmy to lie. And so on… It’s flat out absurd that she thinks she has an ounce of integrity to judge Clark for not trusting her with the biggest and most dangerous secret ever.
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Okay valid points, however Clark keeps harping on about telling the truth and being honest and now HE’s LYING HIMSELF. She’s also pissed because he put himself in danger and is hurt and he’s still lying about it.
@@blatherskyt her anger is hypocritical but it honestly makes sense for where her character is at right now. I also have a feeling she will realize her hypocrisy next episode but we will see.
@@MichaelHaneline I'll send you a $100 Amazon Gift Card if she admits openly admits her hypocrisy in the next episode. Feel free to message me if she does... women aren't held accountable for their unfounded emotions in shows... so I'm quite certain I'll not have to pay out the $100... however, I promise I will if she does admit her narcissistic arrogance in the next episode.
I love the tension between Lois and Clark. Sometimes life isn't pretty, and it seldom offers convenient solutions, so sometimes you need to have difficult conversations with the people you care about, and sometimes those conversations can leave you feeling hurt. It just makes these characters feel so... human. I love it. They're not going for "easy" answers.
@@DiscRover I mean, the easy tropey thing to do is have her swoon for him because he's Superman. But no, instead she wasn't impressed, because he was "lying" about it. And I also love that Clark calls her out too for acting sus in her own way. Jumping off a building to prove a point would in fact be a big turn off. They both have valid points.
@@rabd3721 I think the big issue that can result from this is how they handle the inevitable reconciliation. It could go one of 3 ways: 1) Lois is proven right and Clark basically has to grovel and admit he was wrong about not coming clean about being Superman. 2) Superman/Clark is proven right, and Lois has to confront the reality that she may indeed take after her father more than she'd like to admit, and come to terms with the realization that maybe she's got some issues to work through. 3) A combination of 1 & 2, where both realize their faults and come to terms with those and ultimately end up all the closer for it. My obvious hope is that they go down path 3, because truthfully while I overall side with Clark more (being Superman is kind of his private thing and Lois is not at this stage of their relationship entitled to it), he was being cagey even when actively being called out which was kind of bad. But Lois definitely had no moral high ground here, because she's made it clear she has no problems lying or withholding information from other people to get what she wants... she just doesn't like it when it's done to her. She has a very self-centered notion of morality, where when she does it it's fine, when someone else does it to her it's suddenly bad. Very human, sure, but definitely doesn't paint a pretty picture about her ethical perspective on the world.
@@DelightfullyMADD given how the show in the past has handled them confronting Lois's issues, I have no doubts it wouldn't be something more like option 3. Clark is definitely more in the right, but he could've handled it better prior to Lois basically forcing him to come out as it was pretty clear she knew but he was still hiding it, ultimately revealing that he didn't trust her. Yeah he had his reasons after what she said about revealing superman's secrets, but it also shows that he didn't think she cared enough about him that she wouldn't do that to Clark if she knew the truth
Jimmy Olsen was often portrayed to be doing insane comic booky activities, and they used to put gorillas on covers because it would sell, so I love that they married those 2 things together to give jimmy a quirky comic booky adventure within this world for the next episode
@@FifthRobin in all honesty, after watching the dcau i have to say, that show had one of the worst lois i have ever seen, and i watched the 90's live action series. hell, the fact she dates superman but NEVER figures out he is clark is just infuriating. also, she dates almost every other male character in the series besides clark as well. the worst part is, she is clearly more attracted to his power than to his personality, as she was into bruce wayne and not batman, even though batman is the real persona. seriously, that lois has the sass, but she is one of the worst female characters i have seen. no joke, clark would be better off with anyone, hell, even jimmy would be a better partner than that lois.
Lois figured out Clark was Superman in Lois & Clark in the 90s as well. When he proposed after she had nearly died saving his parents, she looked at him and said, "Who's asking?" and took off his glasses. "Clark? Or Superman?" She was pissed for a few episodes because he "lied to her" and he explained that he had wanted to tell her for a while but something always interrupted him, and he would get cold feet due to never having told anybody about that part of himself. It eventually got resolved in time for the infamous Clone Storyline leading into the wedding that wasn't. The whole series was really good, very romance and comedy driven with some drama for your mama thrown in.
I was just about to mention the Lois & Clark tv show when I saw your comment. I still recall from one of the Tempus episodes when he explained to her, "Superman is what I can do, but Clark is who I am." Pretty sure Lois eventually found out about Clark's powers in the Smallville tv series, as well. I think she might've witnessed him fighting a supervillain, or something. Granted she had been referring to him as "The Blur" up to that point, but she still decided to keep quiet and wait until Clark felt comfortable enough to reveal his secret identity.
i imagine that took longer than 5 episodes and a few weeks(?) of knowing each other, this one is too quick, she feels entitled and isn't drama cause he isn't wrong to hide it from someone going out of their way to out information to him, she can look for that info, but again if she didn't know clark should would with no hesitation, out everything about him just for the "scoop" this isn't veteran Lois, this is a naive kid trying to get ahead, she won't "become lois" its already gone cause she knows supes now way earlier could go on but its not really the same
I feel like there is an added weight to Lois's reaction to the lie because of episode 1 where they had their argument about Lois lying to Clark and Jimmy, not even giving them the choice to chose. Here the situation feels the same but with the roles reversed so it would hurt even more for her
Except for the fact Lois not knowing Clark was Superman did not endanger her in anyway. You can argue Clark was misleading her, but Clark is entitled to privacy and he wished to not share he was Superman because it is a big burden for anyone to carry. Outside of his parents, Lois is probably the first person to know Clark's secret and there is no reason she should, unless they officially started dating and even then building that kind of trust takes time. He also had several good reasons not to share his secret with Lois, considering her grand plan at first was to expose all of Superman's secrets and Clark had no guarantee she would change her mind even if he did tell her the truth. Lois might have changed her intentions after episode 4, but Clark had no way of knowing that. Lois was not in anyway entitled to know Clark's secret, and Lois forced him into revealing it by throwing herself off of a roof, giving him no choice in the matter. It was honestly kind of a b*tch move, when she could have respected his privacy and be patient with him until he was ready to share. When Lois lied, she lied about information that directly involved Clark and Jimmy to deliberately manipulate them into pursuing a dangerous story, endangering not only their lives but their jobs and livelihoods too so that Lois could chase a story and get acclaim. She lied for selfish reasons that directly affected others.
@@jonarbuckle778 This exactly. She's not privy to information he isn't comfortable sharing yet. And the dude is still figuring out who he even is. Even if they were commited, I don't think he'd be wrong for wanting to figure himself out before coming to her.
@@jonarbuckle778 you guys are missing the point, she isnt angry because he lied. on the contrary, she was understanding, which is why she kept pushing him to reveal it out of his own will. what angered her was the fact that, even though she made it clear SHE KNEW, he still avoided it and kept making excuses. to the point she had to literaly throw herself out of a building to make him come out. that's why she was so angry at him. she just wanted him to be honest but he refused to. it would be fairer to compare to if in ep 1, clark called lois out on her lie, but she kept lying and trying to gaslight them into searching out livewire.
@@marcosdheleno You ever see a scene in a show where a character tells another that they know this big secret, so the other character gives in and confirms it for them? When surprise! The first character didn't know but was playing a psychological game in order to get information from the second person? Yeah, Clark had no way of knowing if that was what Lois was doing or not so he took the side of caution and acted like he didn't know what she was talking about. He's not an audience member, he doesn't know if she actually knows or not, and seeing her behavior, is it any wonder Clark would think this way? It's only after she THREW HERSELF OFF A BUILDING, that he understood that she truly knew his secret.
People acting like Clark WITHHOLDING personal information about himself from someone who has proven out to violate his privacy is not even remotely in the category of Lying. Ones privacy is their right, secrets like this, which are ultimately not related to said person (Lois) unless Clark deems so, do not count as lying. People need to stop Vilifying the actual victim here. Clark was once again emotionally manipulated by Lois, forcing him to play his hand in a game he wasn't ready to play and nothing more than for her own personal gain. SECRETS BETWEEN FRIENDS are told through trust and she violated that. Lois is 100% in the wrong here.
From Lois perspective. She has spent some time reporting about Superman getting injured and going into dangerous situations. But then she figured out Supermans identity. He became more real, he can became somebody she deeply cared for. You can see this, with her worrying about whether he is flame proof or chaining herself to a super strong man is kinda irrational, but it is born of a fear she could lose somebody she cared about. When superman is hurt, Clark is hurt She was left on a roof, probably coming up with all the worst possible scenarios. Then he actually does come back hurt. Lois has been shown to struggle with being vulnerable. The relieve and anxiety that she was bottling up, come out as momentary anger. I honesty don't think she cares about Clark lying to her, she only gets angry when her brushes of his injuries as insignificant and meaningless, when they mean so much to her. Her actions are not good, but they very understandable
I'm constantly comparing Lois being angry with Clark with Amber being angry with Mark in Invincible. It's like night and day. MAWS is taking the same premise and showing how to do it right.
@@crisananca313they said they’ve known each other for almost a month. And also, time is relative. The amount of time it takes to get close to someone can differ greatly depending on what you do together.
@@crisananca313 No it isn't. Lois actually had a somewhat valid reason for being mad. Amber was still getting pissed at Mark over small shit even AFTER she knew what he did.
@@tylerleach8796also, Mark eventually told her, THEN it’s revealed that she knew this whole time. How can she get mad then, when she knew he had valid excuses? Why would he tell her? (People need to understand that secret identities are also there to protect the loved ones of the hero). What’s different here is that while Lois also figures out the secret identity, we know she did, and she immediately confronts Clark about it. Unlike Amber, who just hides the fact she knows and doesn’t confront Mark. They’re both new to being a hero, so it makes sense they’d worry about sharing their identities. Mark was basically bullied into revealing his, because Amber (even though she knew, somehow) hated being lied to and basically threatened the end of their relationship.
@@tylerleach8796 while i don't defend amber, she was in a relationship with mark for months by the time he tells her, and one of the main reasons is that while he had a more than valid reason, he kept dragging her along with it, there is no statement of since when amber knew his identity, but if she learnt during the University attack, then it's a bit more believable that she was also struggling with all new feelings of his boyfriend secret identity and why he kept leaving her waiting. Lois reason is more oriented on her traumas and her tendencies of being quite a shitty person when it comes to getting her stories, and she showed no signs of that changing with superman, so besides being on her own world, there is no believable reason for her to be angry at clark when she is just being an hypocrite. Both are in the wrong, and i definitely prefer MAWS over invincible identity reveal, but both aren't justified, neither are good since it's cheap drama that won't last 2 episodes, especially when both situations could be resolved in the spot if the writers allowed the hero character to give a better reason to defend themselves, instead of just 2 phrases and give up afterwards.
The issue is that Lois is a hypocrite. Whereas Clark keeps secrets to protect, Lois keeps secrets to manipulate events in her favor. She's more like her father, General Sam Lane, than she would care to admit. For someone who hates when others lie to her, she needs to take a long look in the mirror.
she really isnt. you are looking at it the wrong way, after clark called her out on her lie, she was honest with him. she said sorry, and asked for forgiveness, and she kept true to him. even telling him things she had no reason to, because she didnt want to lie to him. but the reason she is allowed to be angry is that, SHE ISNT ANGRY AT THE SECRET. she isnt angry that he didnt tell her, she is angry because after she told him she knew... he still lied. at this point they are a couple, they both know that the other has feelings for them. but above all, she spent the entire episode trying to make him come clean, she literaly told him to his face that she knew, and he still refused to. and then, after being tired for not sleeping, tired for running after him the entire episode and tired from once again seeing him go after enemies she belives can kill him, he comes back, and instead of admiting to her, he basically force her to jump out of the building to make him admit. its that which makes her angry. so no, she isnt an hypocrite, because when she was caught in a lie, she admited, and then said sorry. when he did, he kept lying.
@@marcosdheleno He's not looking at it the wrong way. He's looking at it the sane way. Why do you think Lois is entitled to the secrets of a man she's at best known for a month or two? Some of y'all are nuts, I'm sorry. Also, at what point did they at any point say they were a couple? Or did you just assume that because the went on a assignment that they jokingly called a date? Is that your criteria for a relationship?
@@Darkvega2k7She's not entitled to know any of his secrets. Him being Superman isn't a secret to her though, she already knows. She yelled "Clark" as he was flying away, so unless he doesn't have super hearing yet, he already knows that she knows. He still continues to lie about it to her face though. He clearly has feelings for her, but at the same time he doesn't trust her, even though he's (more than likely) aware that she already knows the truth.
@SttudDioPierrot If he did hear her, which he most likely did. He obviously ignored her because he was trying to save lives. You know this, at least I hope that crossed your mind for a second. What were you expecting him to do? Suddenly, drop everything when they both knew time was short? And again, because you people just gloss over this. Clark barely knows the woman. Yet you lot seem to think he should just spill his guts to Lois just because. Clark has legitimate reasons not to fully trust her with such a huge secret. Where there are huge risks of him revealing to anyway. Especially some woman he barely knows. Hell, if he knew who Lois' father is prior, he'd have even more reason not to tell her. She's not entitled to his secrets OR an explanation. Think with logic and not your emotions.
@@Darkvega2k7let's use Logic then. You agree that he heard her say his name. It doesn't matter if he kept going, he heard her say his name. If he heard her say his namer, that means he knows that lois is aware that he's Superman. If Lois knows that he's Superman, then there's no secret. Logically it would make sense for Clark to distance himself from Lois after she said she wanted to reveal Superman"s secrets, keep their relationship professional. Instead, he tries to pursue a relationship. Again, there was no secret, she already knew. He already knew, that she found out, but continued to lie to her. If he didn't trust her, he should have distanced himself emotionally and kept things platonic. That would be the most logical course of action 🤓
I’m on Superman’s/Clark’s side like he said Lois herself said she was gonna publish all of his secrets just got frustrated when she didn’t get what she wanted and it’s not fair to be mad at someone when they already don’t be comfortable to share any secrets
Jimmy doesn't really do himself any favors though. like when lois and clark are about to have moment and he jumps out from behind the couch to cockblock and ruin it. wasn't like he accidently came through a door at the wrong time, he literally hid behind them and jumped out at the worst possible moment.
The writing term would be "darkest before the dawn." Jimmy has been third-wheeled in the comics since about 1991 when Lois first learned the secret (and to a lesser extent before then by Ma & Pa Kent still being alive Post-Crisis. Basically, every situation where Superman/Clark would go to his best friend Jimmy (who didn't know his secret) suddenly got supplanted by Lois, the fiancé (later wife) who knew his secret and countless writers have struggled for literally decades now trying to make Jimmy relevant. This show looks to be both going for an early reveal for Lois, but, I suspect as well, a situation where Jimmy will also soon learn the secret and likely play a role in getting Clark and Lois over their kerfuffle... thereby establishing him as best friend to both who is a trusted secret keeper; i.e. a way for him to actually remain relevant within the stories here instead of struggling for a way for the dynamic work while still having him ignorant of the secret. Ironically, I think it was likely the Tomasi Superman run with a married Lois & Clark and their 10-ish son Jon (who obviously knew his dad's secret) that probably paved the way a story where Lois, Clark and Jimmy (basically filling the young sidekick role of Jon) can be a functional trio with the secret kept between the three of them.
Lois is being kind of hypocritical here, in my opinion. The FIRST THING she does when she meets Clark and Jimmy professionally was lie to them. It almost cost them their jobs too. I get that she hates being lied to, and a lie is a lie no matter what form, but her lie and his secret are two completely different situations. His being a much more understandable one. Though it had good intentions, Lois's lie was admittedly a manipulative one. She wanted the jump on a dangerous story and dragged along two newbies who had no business participating in something even she shouldn't be chasing. Her ambition in revealing the truth about the dangerous tech put all three of them at risk. Clark could have handle it (and did) since he was Kryptonian, but Lois didn't know that. For all she knew, Clark really was just some guy from Kansas. And besides, he legit felt hurt for being used by her, yet she has the gall to throw her shit at his feet when things are kept from her? Espeically when his secret is motivated by more considerate reasons rather than manipulative ones, no less? Clark's secret is kept that way to protect himself and people he knows and loves. Think about if the media one day revealed Superman's identity. The government would be on that shit like that! Ma and Pa Kent would be harrassed to no end, if not straight up abducted by secret services. Clark himself would have to go into hiding and not be able to publicly save people as much as he desires. And of course, the wellbeing of Lois and others at the Daily Planet would be used as a ploy against him, by government or otherwise. Its a damn secret for a damn good reason, Lois, and Clark has every right to be afraid of its exposure! Also, they barely know each other. She's getting mad at him like this secret had been kept from her all her life! Its hard to sympathize with Lois's perspective when she's a pot calling the kettle black. Let up on the kid, girl. All he wants to do is help without anyone getting hurt in the process. Based on how much fluff has occured between them both in this series, I'm sure it'll all work itself out in the end. But goddamn, Lois. Take accountability for your OWN lies, and trust that a secret like Clark's is a secret for the good of everyone that knows him, including and especially YOU!
I was kind of surprised that they had Lois figure out Superman's identity this early. I thought that would be saved for a mid-season finale or something, but I'm glad that didn't happen. With Clark being so inexperienced both as a superhero and with his powers, it makes sense that Lois would be able to put the pieces together. I didn't really have a problem with her reaction. Jumping off the building to get Clark to reveal his identity is not really new for Lois. Plus, after giving Clark multiple chances to tell the truth, she probably felt hurt that this was the only way for Clark reveal his secret. It's also extremely likely that her reaction also comes from the emotional baggage with her father. He didn't tell Lois the truth about how much her mother was sick and I assume that put a huge strain on their relationship. I wouldn't be surprised if that's where the whole keeping secrets is another way of lying comes from too. Now Clark wasn't in the wrong. He's still getting used to being a superhero, doesn't know anything about his home planet or where he comes from, he's gaining more powers over time and Lois deliberately wanted to publish all of Superman's secrets when even he doesn't know who he is yet. It makes perfect sense why he didn't feel comfortable telling Lois the truth. Even if she didn't find that last piece to the murder board in the previous episode, I think it was just a matter of time before Lois found out given her determinate to get a real story for the Daily Planet and Clark's inexperience. Both of their reactions are understandable given their personalities and positions. I am excited to see how they are able to patch things up while they search for Jimmy. Their cute moments have been a surprising highlight of the series for me so far.
This was the best episode yet of my adventures with Superman. It continues the issues that Clark, Lois, and Jimmy are dealing with from the previous episode, while introducing new complications. Clark is completely oblivious about Lois being on to his secret while focusing on how the mysterious tech is endangering lives, while the tech itself seems connected to Krypton, while also dealing with his own developing feelings for Lois, and being introduced to Deathstroke, Amanda Waller, and a general who's most likely Lois' father, Sam Lane. Superman's confrontation with task force X is definitely his most difficult battle yet, and implies that Superman's powers are fluctuating, possibly due to not knowing what he's truly capable of. While it's clear that something happened to the general to make him be distrustful of Superman, he at least has enough integrity to not risk civilians to defeat Superman, unlike Amanda Waller who basically behaves as she usually does, doing whatever it takes to stop the threat, even if it's morally questionable. Lois is dealing with trying to expose Clark's secret of being Superman, while also dealing with her own issues with secrets and lies. I honestly don't like how Lois exposes Clark by risking her own life, but it is sad and understandable how her relationship with Clark is taking a turn for the worse. In all honesty, I think Clark should be more angry with Lois because him being Superman isn't a secret that Lois needed to know, and I am not sure that the approach Lois took to expose Clark was the right thing to do. Clark even tried to tell Lois the truth in the previous episode, but Lois being frustrated with Superman's secrets made him pull back, and Lois' reaction to Clark exposing himself sort of justified him not telling her his secret. Jimmy deals with being a third wheel, Steve Lombard trolling his posts, and Steve even making a good point about Jimmy's relationship with Lois and Clark, ending with Jimmy being forgotten about due to Lois and Clark dealing with their own issues. Jimmy even gets kidnapped by the end of the episode by something that resembles an ape. I don't think that it's gorilla Grodd because he's a Flash villain. I won't know until the next episode, but it could be Ultra Humanite, an enemy of Superman that resembles an ape. I also don't know what is going to happen with the trio of Lois, Clark, and Jimmy, since things ended on a bad note with them, but the complications between them might make their relationship stronger.
To be fair, this show is making it clear they have no issues taking other DC Rogues and throwing them in here. Slade/Deathstroke is a Nightwing/Teen Titans villain, yet here he is, so Grodd being a Flash villain definitely doesn't preclude him being introduced here either. That being said, I kind of don't feel like this is Grodd. Not sure why, just doesn't feel like this is how they'd introduce Grodd if that is their plan at all, but I fully admit that I could be totally wrong on this.
I’ve been enjoying your reviews of the episodes and I definitely agree that this is the best episode so far. I’m thinking the gorilla that captured Jimmy is either Ultra-Humanite or possibly Grodd.
I think you are probably right about the gorilla being either Grodd or Ultra-Humanite, but just for the sake of speculation I think it might be Solovar. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure one of Jimmy's conspiracy theories in an earlier episode was a reference to Gorilla City.
Gorilla is most likely monsieur Mallah, if you look closely, you can see that the gorilla is wearing a beret. Jimmy also referenced Mallah in first episode.
This show just keeps getting better and better this version of Superman is becoming one of my favorite versions of Superman since the og justice league series only thing missing is the brotherhood of Batman and superman which doesn’t need to happen but would only make me love it more love the little Easter egg of bludhaven in this episode confirms there is a Gotham and might be a Batman which gets me excited but I will not except a Batman until we see more of Superman I don’t want Batman to appear in Superman early years maybe a year 3 or onwards type of Clark but this show brings back the real Superman and I am all here for it
This Series gets Better and Better, the way it’s making Jimmy a Third Wheel more Noticeable and Lois feeling betrayed of Clark’s Secret is Deep with Layers of Realism, the Animation looks Great as Always, I think the Fire Lady is Volcana, It’s the First Time we see Superman fight Deathstroke outside of the Comics which is really Good, Slave being a Killing Machine to the Government might hint that that he will go Rogue and Mad in the Future and the Skull Mask also could hint that this Alien Technology belongs to Brainiac since it looks similar his Skull Ship, Waller is a Cool Woman that will take Extreme Measures to wipe the Enemy Down, and the General is clearly Sam Lane as the Flashbacks makes Sense Now and perhaps the reason why he was Calling Lois last episode was to get out of there with Ivo using Parasite, also the set up for the Ultra Humanite makes me curious how it will go and I have a Feeling that the Government will Transfuse that Tech on Humans, 10 out of 10, a Fuuny and Mature Episode.
@@neokamenrideryeah that makes more sense since that Flamethrower was mentioned Heatwave, Honestly it’s not a Bad Change since the Character isn’t well known (the CW Version doesn’t count).
I mean I wouldn't even consider it a fight. Superman juat stands there consistently getting hit by everything the only time he retaliates is with either heat vision or that one punch he landed.
Lois gave Clark so much chances to tell her his secret and in the end she had to jump off a building to get the truth out of him. I understand why some might feel like your friend being Superman would be a cool reveal, but if you need to jump off a building to get them to admit it, then I can imagine you might feel like they didn’t trust you enough to tell you. And that would feel like a betrayal, especially with the backstory of Lois’ father always keeping her in the dark. I think some people are looking at this situation in a vacuum and only considering the fact that Lois lied on the day they met. Besides, you should seriously just let the writers do their job before you start harping on them for “bad writing”. I prefer to always be optimistic and give a story the benefit of the doubt. Very rarely is a story so unsalvageable that the writers didn’t have a chance to turn things around.
Nah this is fine writing, but to say it's on Clark makes no sense. This is like saying all soldiers in Spec Ops should tell their loved ones that they're in Spec Ops
@@Ditteauxessay never said it was on Clark. Both sides have their own flaws and their own points. And that’s really hard to pull off. Usually, conflicts like these can be easily resolved and arguably, should never even start, but I think the episode did a good job of making it so that both sides could be understood.
I don't agree, I don't think Lois is owed anything from Clark, especially not as he's still figuring things out himself. They're not an item, he doesn't owe her anything and it was really dirty to force a confession out of him like that.
@@L3FT2BURN never said she was owed anything, I just said it comes off as Clark not trusting Lois. Lois, or anyone for that matter, is not owed trust or honesty. But when you refuse to show your trust for someone, you can’t blame them when they don’t want to try furthering their relationship with you. That’s what happened. Lois said, “I was your- I don’t know what we were going to be, but that’s all over now.” Let me put it this way, you might not have to keep a promise, but don’t expect the person whose promises you’re breaking to want to try becoming better friends with you. So yeah, Lois wasn’t owed an answer, and Clark wasn’t owed forgiveness.
I dont think it's a cliche with Lois. She’s mad at Clark because she cares about him and he's treating her like she's stupid. This isn't an Amber situation. Not to mention that literally in episode 1 Clark got mad at Lois for lying to him. She's justified here.
Tell that to everyone tearing her to shreds on Twitter, like they act like this version of Lois isn't going to be flawless and when this tension happened everyone is on the hate train and call it a cliche
I disagree. Everyone is entitled to secrets. Especially if those secrets being kept isn’t endangering anyone. Also, he just met her. The kind of trust she expects from him, the kind of trust required to expose his identity, has to be EARNED. She explicitly states she’s going to expose all his secrets before she knew who he was. Why would he expect that to change just because she knows him? As a reporter it is her job to report the truth objectively, without pulling punches even if it’s someone you may personally know. Clark knowing that, as well as how far she’s willing to take things and who/what she’s willing to sacrifice just to get that big story/her big break….. I completely understand why he didn’t tell her and he is in no way is required to. He can tell her if and when he’s ready or if she ever EARNS his trust.
Also the fact that she thinks it’s ok to jump off a building, threatening to kill yourself just because you want someone to expose some of the most personal, intimate details of their life, is behind fucked up and highly manipulative.
She is not justified here. Lois lied about something that could have gotten him and jimmy fired. For clark he had not obligation to tell her anything. At least him “lying” does harm anyone. Clark and Lois aren’t even dating at least Amber was a teenager and dated Mark for 6 months? What’s the excuse for Lois?
I think some of the drama surrounding the scene with Clark and Lois arguing about Clark lying stems from the bad taste the Invincible show left with Mark and Amber's argument scene. In Invincible, the show made it seem that Mark was somehow actually in the wrong and spent a good chunk focusing it and Amber being downright irrational and hypocritical, with no real reason to be. We have yet to see what happens in Ep. 6 of MAwS, but what makes the ending of Ep. 5 feel more appropriate is that it doesn't side with who's right and who's wrong, both Clark and Lois were being irrational and hypocritical, but it's easy to understand as they JUST HAD to deal with adrenaline-inducing situations. Clark just came back from a fight that ACTUALLY gave him a hard time, and Lois was freaking out of her mind, and seeing Clark actually hurt didn't help. Secondly, unlike Amber, Lois didn't hide the truth that she knew, but granted, we don't know how long she knew in between episodes, but she didn't play Clark like a fool, she was trusting him to eventually tell her and only snapped when Clark tried to downplay a life-threatening fight.
also, lois spend alot of this episode trying to make clark admit, because all she wants is for him to come clean. and instead he basically forced her to go beyond in order to make him. she is more angry at him still lying after she told him she knew, than the fact he was keeping that secret.
I think there’s a very simple reason why Deathstroke doesn’t have a half black mask, he hasn’t lost an eye. He’s gonna loose it at some point and get it. But thinking about it, it really should’ve been Bloodsport. He’s literally a Superman villain, and they could’ve even had him shoot Clarkmwith Kryptonite at some point
Yeah I can see Slade maybe having to reforge a new half to his mask, minus the eye if he looses one in this show. I do see though how Bloodsport could've worked better now actually now that you mention it. He is better known for rocking high tech weapons, though not too sure if swords would look as good on him at they do Deathstroke
@@csab8642 to me, the same way each one of those thugs have gained powers/get scarred by the armor going haywire, i feel like at the end of the season slade will have part of his mask break on his face, which will make him lose sight in that eye. its even possible that part of the mask will become embeded in or he will salvage what remains of the armor to make one that looks closer to this one. also, i bet he will deffect afte the season, which will make waller create the suicide squad. as a side note, i think jimmy will hook up with silver banshee. maybe she will escape and hide at his place(possible after clark starts living with lois).
@@csab8642 they were a couple in the comics, and in all honesty, she is the right amount of crazy to have some sweet and hilarious episodes surrounding them. one of the main problems with romance stories is how they often forget that the rest of the world exists, and focus only on the main couple. i hope they can give jimmy someone of his own to pursue.
I think the backgrounds were going for a classic 90's shojo style for the backgrounds where distant cityscapes are abstracted down to line drawings and bloby watercolors. It's used a lot in Sailor Moon and more retro anime to save resources and draw focus. If it's executed well, it has a dreamy nostalgic feeling. The way it is in this episode feels like a mistake the way the city becomes white line drawings seemingly abruptly near the horizon. I don't think they pulled it off quite yet in this episode, but I think it comes into itself a little later in the season with how it chooses to omit details more successfully. I love that retro, less detailed background art in city anime, personally. Detailed, intricate backgrounds absolutely have their time and place, but I prefer the more lush colorful abstractions. In this more character centric show, I understand what they were going for, but I agree it's just not quite there yet in this episode.
I think Lois was being a hypocrite. She doesn't want people who are close to her to lie to her - but it's "totally okay" for her to do that to them. In a way, she doesn't have a leg to stand on with that. I've known people like that; one of whom was my ex-fiance - hence the "ex" part.
I don’t get why they used a genderswapped Heat Wave when Volcana’s right there. She’s even actually a Superman villain, unlike Heat Wave, who is a Flash villain.
Loui is completely in the wrong here. She does not have a right to know the secretes of other people, especially not coworkers with which she is not even in an official relationship. She is acting hysterical and Clark is completely justified in keeping his secrets.
We probably won't see the traditional look of Deathstroke until he's suffers a major injury. It's probably either at the end of the first season or sometime in the second season.
no, he has the right to keep his life private unitl he is ready to share do you tell the people you met a few months ago all of your life and intimacy?
1 secret identity is one way to protect your loved ones and friends 2 if your friends know whos your identity your now a easy target 3 enemy can find ways to exploit the person who know your identity by kidnapping their family 4 have you seen marvel iron man every one know who he is, where he leave and friends by revealing his identity to the world 5 batman got good multiple scenarios to prevent his identity not to get leaked lois like to make superman reveal the truth but when she knows clark is superman everything went from invincible level
@@roiwtto0919 …that literally only makes sense if one of your friends and loved ones is a villain…which to be fair, that does happen with some superheroes.
Clark needs to talk to Wally about being in two places at once. Wally did this once when he had to be in the same place with the FLASH (this is when Barry was in the Speed Force)
My main problem with Lois being upset about Clark 'lying' is that we've seen a few times in previous episodes that she herself will lie to get a story. Examples include her and Jimmy saying they are other reporters to gain access to some information, or the first episode where she lies to both Clark and Jimmy to help her track down the missing tech. These can be excused for the most part do to being so early in the series that the writers were definitely still getting a feel for how these interpretations of iconic characters should be handled.
5:51 there's one comic in which Lois in a heat of a moment reveals Clark's super identity to the world. Other than that though I don't recall any other Superman story where Lois finds out about Clark's secret without him telling her. Edit: it happened in *Superman No. 43*
You know you got a good show when the moral dilemma has people discussing and even arguing. But we can all agree Clark and Lois both did Jimmy guilty. The gorilla may also be gorilla grodd. And I think the flame bird trolling thing was more of a parody of how people will go at each others throats and argue online (especially yt drama) without any actual good arguments or evidence
I think the reason why Lois is upset is because her father has lied to her in the past, especially with how sick her mother was, she didnt expect Clark to keep a secret from her. Though I cant justify her actions either. She openly lied to both Clark and Jimmy in the previous episodes. However, two wrongs never make a right, Lois was wrong with how she lied to Clark and Jimmy, and also for not understanding that some secrets must remain a secret. Journalists often dont care about the consequences of telling a story, whether the story is true or not. There was a guy in Australia who was falsely accused of sexual assault on a woman that needed a tire changed. She accused him of trying to force himself on her, causing him to lose his job, his marriage, and was thrown into prison before the police finally checked the security camera outside the building her car was near. Once the evidence was proven, she confessed, though the damage was already done. In the Marvel Civil War, Peter Parker revealed his identity and Aunt May was shot. So, Clark was justified with not telling her, it was his secret and he is still trying to figure out who he is.
Superman saves people for a lot of accidents and crimes within some minutes. This version of Metropolis might be the most dangerous city to live in. Anyway, I really enjoy this show!
I feel that "You Will Believe A Man Can Lie" should have been pushed back by at least one or two episodes. Lois's feeling of betrayal just doesn't land, and neither does the line about what they could have been. There really just wasn't enough time for Clark and Lois to bond and grow as a potential couple before this moment. And we've never gotten a stated reason Clark was keeping his idenity a secret. So his excuse about being afraid Lois was going to publish his secrets just rings hollow. He was already keeping his powers a secret before Lois made that statement, and that still doesn't explain why he'd keep his powers a secret from Jimmy. I think it's just expected that Clark would have a secret identity, so the show never stopped to give us an in character reason.
agreed. i think the series would work even better if they had her do some ground work to find out, maybe have her find the truth, not from seeing it in his pocket, but by seeking out an edition of that magazine that is intact, having her spend an episode going to smallville and questioning people there because while her brain is telling her its clark, she still doesnt want to belive it. and then, after she is certain, have this episode.
It’s so refreshing seeing Superman being a boy scout again and adding a new outtake on him being inexperienced with his power, and not just that he was that good persona that we love from Superman, I was so tired of all the writers making him a antagonist or him being a jerk in other universe, and always dick riding Batman. Edit: I don’t hate Batman but if he does appear in the future I want something different instead of the same stuff, of Batman always wanting to fight Superman, I want that team up were both are respected and they cover each other’s flaws, and show the audience why both are great leader in their own way, instead of always the same who will in a fight.
I would like it if Batman had been crimefighting for a number of years already, and decides to mentor Clark after deducing how green he is. And maybe give him advice on maintaining secret identities.
@@magicaltour1 I think there was a little bit of that dynamic going on between Oliver Queen (Arrow) and Barry Allen (The Flash) in the early days of CW's Arrowverse.
@@magicaltour1 that sounds like fun, and Superman showing Batman some advance science that could help Batman, people always forget Superman can be a scientist and use his brain, he has the knowledge of other planets and different technology, that's why i love all star Superman cause they show that his not just a strong alien with Powers, he is also a person that loves to learn, so him helping Batman on how to better his arsenal that can be fun, but that's just me, i'm just tired of all the writers forgetting that Batman and Superman respect each other, one being human and the other and alien but they fight for the greater good, but they can't both have all the answer, and they have to count with each other when they are crossing the line of being a Villan. Cause lets be honest Batman can be a jerk and a dick sometimes with his Sidekick and other heroes.
For me it’s easy to tell where they got the inspiration from for the revile, they are reminiscent of the original superman movies with Christopher Reave in them. The one problem that I have with Lois finding out the truth is that it feels too early for me, they should have left for the second season or leave it as a cliff hanger at the end of the first season. For me Lois and Clark’s relationship hasn’t fully matured yet. It still feels like they just met last week. One of the reasons why the producers should have waited, is to make the audience crave fro the revile to happen in. Other superman tv shows with a Lois and Clark relationship have wasted much longer. The 90s show “Lois and Clark and the new adventure of superman”, didn’t have Lois finding out until the start of the third season. And smallville took even longer with Lois finding out 5 seasons after her original introduction.
I loved how Lois found out and her reaction was very similar to Teri Hatchers in "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman" Which this show does borrow a lot from. I do continue to agree that Chris Parnell is miscast as Deathstroke. I'm all for giving actors a chance to flew their range but every time he talks all I hear is Cyril Figgis from Archer.
I agree that Deathstroke should have just been Bloodsport. It's a very minor point, but it bothers me a little bit. Still though, each episode continues to be better than the last, which is a good place for your show to be in. Here's hoping they continue this level of quality for several seasons more.
"It's never be in situation when that person owe them the truth. Shouldn't one be more excited finding out their friend is superhero" Yes, if they were still _only friends_ , unfortunately this episode comes right after the gala episode when it was set that they were about to be more than that. So yeah, Clark kinda owe Lois the truth.
He doesn't owe her anything. That scene was literally less a few days ago. It's absurd to think they should start to tell each other everything when they haven't even gone on a proper date or say "I like you" to each other.
@@acomfyslugcat I tend to agree. Other stuff that might be factoring in to Clark's overall reluctance to spill his guts about everything right away could involve his personal backstory, which we've only seen bits and pieces of so far. For instance, has this version of the character ever revealed his abilities to anybody besides his parents? Has he dated or had any girlfriends previously? All of this might be brand new territory for him.
I feel this was too early for them to make this conflict. clark and lois have not known eachother that long yet and this scene could have worked better if it was at the season finale or season 2 were we get all this development between the two and lois would feel betrayed that they have known eachother so long that he would not trust her with this secret.
Just curious, would this version of Lois be the same if she interacts with other superheroes if she interacts with them in their secret identity and "lying" to her even though they're keeping their identity secure, like Batman (who is the last person for anyone to know his identity)?
Difference between this moment and moment in Invicible is that we see Lois point of view "oppinion" on betreyal and being lied to while in Invincible we don't know anything about amber, and when she was mad at Mark it looked likd an asspul.
I just hope that the two of them will work it out but Lois does expose Clark not only will her life be in danger, but others to the villains might use her as a bargaining chip just to get to him, and I know deep down Clark really does care about Louis
Be cool if like after loosing his eye he dyes one half black, and maybe welds a metal patch over the lense do to the fact he no longer has use for it. Or maybe he gets caught in am explosion that permanently scorches half the mask black and he chooses to leave it that way
finally people are apreciating this shows excelent writing. i've seen so many misogonists online calling lois "the new amber" and its unbeleivable and unbearble
Tbh, Deathstroke feels like a hypocrit. He says that they're the good guys, but he flat-out destroyed the support beam of a bridge that very clearly had heavy traffic. And no, I don't think him thinking that Superman was secretly some kind of villain excuses this. At least the guy in charge of the operation had the brains to realize that letting the people on the bridge die was not a good idea. Amanda Waller, on the other hand, very clearly had tunnel vision and was totally willing to sacrifice the people on the bridge.
He has a right to hide who he is if the wrong people get that info his parents are in danger. Is he supposed to divulge hes a god to a bitch hes not even in a close relationship with. Sure you can share shit with friends, but again HE JUST MET HER AWHILE AGO.
Clark was 💯 gonna tell Lois his secret, but she oddly viewed Superman in a negative perspective, with no concrete basis for it. Also, Clark doesnt owe her any explination. Lets remember that she nearly got herself, Clark & Jimmy fired, with the latter two being brand new interns. They also made her too blunt a Journalist instead of an inquisitive, yet covert investigator. She should have used some silver-tonged smoothtalking to get the answers & leads she wanted. Also, why... Why the hell are they turning several DC Meta-Human Villains into goons with gadgets? And Slade... What did they do to my boy?! They Yassified him!
I actually liked how empathetic Steve is in his own way to Jimmy. He's been the third wheel friend and sees it happening to Jimmy and wants to give him so advice and support. It's a nice twist as opposed to just making him the combative reaction channel guy
In that one the gun didn't have bullets. So there was no physical risk of actually injuring Clark, not saying anything about the emotional or psychological trauma that comes from seeing someone you love and trust shooting you point blank.
a big thing isn't so much that Lois is angry about clark lying to her, but rather than clark shows he doesn't trust her. She's been shown before to have trust issues about stuff such as her dad lying to her about her mom and other stuff in their past, and she's opened up to clark about that. Plus there was the part of the first episode where Lois lied to Clark and he got upset at her about it, and they later made up and promised they wouldn't lie to each other again. So even though Clark is justified in keeping his secret, it's clear based on what Lois said about superman and stuff that he doesn't trust her while all she did was worry about him being hurt. It hurts being told that the person you care about in a relationship doesn't trust you, and when you already have trust issues, that hurts a lot more. Clark is still right, but he (and really both of them) could've handled the situation better, but emotions gets the better of them
I hear what you're saying, but at the same time I keep reminding myself that we're only at episode five. Not exactly sure how much time has passed since they met, but I think it probably takes quite a while before most people are prepared to share their deepest, most personal secrets. Seemed like Clark was still at the early stages where he was just trying to muster up enough courage to tell Lois how he felt and maybe ask her out on a date.
@@BCBaron I think it’s been about a month since they first met, but that’s kind of just speculation cause there isn’t a real timeline, but it does feel like there’s been some gaps between episodes so at the least a few weeks. And yeah, nobody is saying Clark needs to tell her everything. Clark was right to want to keep his life secret and he doesn’t owe that to her. BUT that doesn’t mean she can’t feel hurt by him telling and showing he doesn’t trust her. That’s the heart of the issue. And Clark could’ve been better as well. Nobody is saying he needed to tell her everything, but he at least could’ve been a little more upfront that he doesn’t feel comfortable about some stuff or doesn’t want to talk to her about it yet rather than continuing to deny it when she basically tells him she knows
I have no complains about the trajectory and plot and i really like the chemistry so far between the characters, my only concern is about how they showed slade aka deathstroke , he is nothing like deathstroke and that's really bad for the show bc they could waist one of the best villains in dc
I don't know a lot about Bloodsport, however as I understand it, he's mentally ill so perhaps they will go for a more tragic villain who easily gets manipulated by Lex Luthor when he appears in season 2.
I'm disappointed that Lois found out his secret so early in the season. I would have enjoyed seeing Superman coming up with more creative ways to hide his secret identity. The current creative ways have been pretty lame. Perhaps he could have used the Kryptonian technology to Cobble together some form of AI or even a hologram. Also Lois who lies all the time being upset because Clark didn't tell her that he was Superman is dumb. With all of the super-powered beings that she faced in the last four episodes she should understand why Clark did not tell her his secret. This appears to be drama for drama's sake. They did this reveal in the TV show Smallville so much better. Yes it went on too long but at least they didn't have her pretending not to know the dangers of him telling her his secret.
Jimmy being kidnapped might be a call back to an old issue of Superman where a gorilla fell in love with him and super man had to find a way to save him
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I think though Lois’s negative reaction to Clark keeping a secret identity from her is not entirely rational, it makes sense with what we learned about her baggage from her dad. All the characters in this show have flaws, which is a good thing.
What’s absurd about her getting hypocritically angry was that..
Lois lied to Clark and jimmy about what Perry White told her about the robots story to get them to join her (1st episode)
She lied to Clark about the text Perry white sent her telling them to come back
Clark then saves her life and stands up for her in front of Perry white
Oh, and Lois steals the other anchors badges and then coerces Clark and Jimmy to lie.
And so on…
It’s flat out absurd that she thinks she has an ounce of integrity to judge Clark for not trusting her with the biggest and most dangerous secret ever.
Obviously want to ignore the credibility that DC comics Injustice Gods(The storyline is set in a parallel universe within the DC Comics' Multiverse, where Superman has become a tyrant and established a new world order after the Joker tricked him into killing Lois Lane and destroying Metropolis. In an effort to stop this, Batman summons counterparts of the League's members from the main universe to join his insurgency and end the totalitarian regime) among Us video game and possibly graphic novels-comic book and tv shows and films storyline gives to the basic idea behind the topic of this episode. Which even if Marvel comics X-Men fans and Marvel comics Civil War don't want to admit it. The Plausibility to the Possibility of the basic storyline idea concept behind DC comics Injustice Gods among US storyline also provides credibility for the honest fear filled political and legal movements of Marvel comics MCU Sokovia Accords type Marvel comics storyline legislation.
Okay valid points, however Clark keeps harping on about telling the truth and being honest and now HE’s LYING HIMSELF. She’s also pissed because he put himself in danger and is hurt and he’s still lying about it.
@@blatherskyt her anger is hypocritical but it honestly makes sense for where her character is at right now. I also have a feeling she will realize her hypocrisy next episode but we will see.
@@MichaelHaneline I'll send you a $100 Amazon Gift Card if she admits openly admits her hypocrisy in the next episode. Feel free to message me if she does... women aren't held accountable for their unfounded emotions in shows... so I'm quite certain I'll not have to pay out the $100... however, I promise I will if she does admit her narcissistic arrogance in the next episode.
I love the tension between Lois and Clark. Sometimes life isn't pretty, and it seldom offers convenient solutions, so sometimes you need to have difficult conversations with the people you care about, and sometimes those conversations can leave you feeling hurt. It just makes these characters feel so... human. I love it. They're not going for "easy" answers.
Honestly, how did people expect Lois Lane to react? With excitement? lmao
@@DiscRover I mean, the easy tropey thing to do is have her swoon for him because he's Superman. But no, instead she wasn't impressed, because he was "lying" about it. And I also love that Clark calls her out too for acting sus in her own way. Jumping off a building to prove a point would in fact be a big turn off. They both have valid points.
@@rabd3721 nuance is but a forgotten concept to the twitter community that has room temperature IQ on their best days
@@rabd3721 I think the big issue that can result from this is how they handle the inevitable reconciliation. It could go one of 3 ways:
1) Lois is proven right and Clark basically has to grovel and admit he was wrong about not coming clean about being Superman.
2) Superman/Clark is proven right, and Lois has to confront the reality that she may indeed take after her father more than she'd like to admit, and come to terms with the realization that maybe she's got some issues to work through.
3) A combination of 1 & 2, where both realize their faults and come to terms with those and ultimately end up all the closer for it.
My obvious hope is that they go down path 3, because truthfully while I overall side with Clark more (being Superman is kind of his private thing and Lois is not at this stage of their relationship entitled to it), he was being cagey even when actively being called out which was kind of bad. But Lois definitely had no moral high ground here, because she's made it clear she has no problems lying or withholding information from other people to get what she wants... she just doesn't like it when it's done to her. She has a very self-centered notion of morality, where when she does it it's fine, when someone else does it to her it's suddenly bad. Very human, sure, but definitely doesn't paint a pretty picture about her ethical perspective on the world.
@@DelightfullyMADD given how the show in the past has handled them confronting Lois's issues, I have no doubts it wouldn't be something more like option 3. Clark is definitely more in the right, but he could've handled it better prior to Lois basically forcing him to come out as it was pretty clear she knew but he was still hiding it, ultimately revealing that he didn't trust her. Yeah he had his reasons after what she said about revealing superman's secrets, but it also shows that he didn't think she cared enough about him that she wouldn't do that to Clark if she knew the truth
Jimmy Olsen was often portrayed to be doing insane comic booky activities, and they used to put gorillas on covers because it would sell, so I love that they married those 2 things together to give jimmy a quirky comic booky adventure within this world for the next episode
Also Gorilla Grod is a DC villain
Here's hoping he doesn't get married to this one.
This is the kind of quality DC show I've been longing to see for years 😊
This is gonna be up with the DCAU and Teen Titans
@@FifthRobin in all honesty, after watching the dcau i have to say, that show had one of the worst lois i have ever seen, and i watched the 90's live action series.
hell, the fact she dates superman but NEVER figures out he is clark is just infuriating. also, she dates almost every other male character in the series besides clark as well. the worst part is, she is clearly more attracted to his power than to his personality, as she was into bruce wayne and not batman, even though batman is the real persona.
seriously, that lois has the sass, but she is one of the worst female characters i have seen. no joke, clark would be better off with anyone, hell, even jimmy would be a better partner than that lois.
oh honey you think this is quality?
@@FifthRobin Your not talking about the GO version are ya if you are ima go skydiving without a parashot
Lois figured out Clark was Superman in Lois & Clark in the 90s as well. When he proposed after she had nearly died saving his parents, she looked at him and said, "Who's asking?" and took off his glasses. "Clark? Or Superman?" She was pissed for a few episodes because he "lied to her" and he explained that he had wanted to tell her for a while but something always interrupted him, and he would get cold feet due to never having told anybody about that part of himself. It eventually got resolved in time for the infamous Clone Storyline leading into the wedding that wasn't. The whole series was really good, very romance and comedy driven with some drama for your mama thrown in.
I was just about to mention the Lois & Clark tv show when I saw your comment. I still recall from one of the Tempus episodes when he explained to her, "Superman is what I can do, but Clark is who I am."
Pretty sure Lois eventually found out about Clark's powers in the Smallville tv series, as well. I think she might've witnessed him fighting a supervillain, or something.
Granted she had been referring to him as "The Blur" up to that point, but she still decided to keep quiet and wait until Clark felt comfortable enough to reveal his secret identity.
i imagine that took longer than 5 episodes and a few weeks(?) of knowing each other, this one is too quick, she feels entitled and isn't drama cause he isn't wrong to hide it from someone going out of their way to out information to him, she can look for that info, but again if she didn't know clark should would with no hesitation, out everything about him just for the "scoop" this isn't veteran Lois, this is a naive kid trying to get ahead, she won't "become lois" its already gone cause she knows supes now way earlier
could go on but its not really the same
I love how every character have their own flaws and that is what makes this show AWESOME
Tell that to the fans tearing Lois apart on Twitter after this Tension
@@brandonboswell3625 bro wut😳
@@brandonboswell3625 Forget Twitter
@@GlorytoAllah749people tearing Lois character because of her selfish behavior Wich is her massive flaw
Having a flaw is ok. But acting self righteous and trying to gaslight ppl about is is just plain unlikeable.
I feel like there is an added weight to Lois's reaction to the lie because of episode 1 where they had their argument about Lois lying to Clark and Jimmy, not even giving them the choice to chose. Here the situation feels the same but with the roles reversed so it would hurt even more for her
Except for the fact Lois not knowing Clark was Superman did not endanger her in anyway. You can argue Clark was misleading her, but Clark is entitled to privacy and he wished to not share he was Superman because it is a big burden for anyone to carry. Outside of his parents, Lois is probably the first person to know Clark's secret and there is no reason she should, unless they officially started dating and even then building that kind of trust takes time. He also had several good reasons not to share his secret with Lois, considering her grand plan at first was to expose all of Superman's secrets and Clark had no guarantee she would change her mind even if he did tell her the truth. Lois might have changed her intentions after episode 4, but Clark had no way of knowing that. Lois was not in anyway entitled to know Clark's secret, and Lois forced him into revealing it by throwing herself off of a roof, giving him no choice in the matter. It was honestly kind of a b*tch move, when she could have respected his privacy and be patient with him until he was ready to share.
When Lois lied, she lied about information that directly involved Clark and Jimmy to deliberately manipulate them into pursuing a dangerous story, endangering not only their lives but their jobs and livelihoods too so that Lois could chase a story and get acclaim. She lied for selfish reasons that directly affected others.
I'm siding up with Clark Kent on this one though.
@@jonarbuckle778 This exactly. She's not privy to information he isn't comfortable sharing yet. And the dude is still figuring out who he even is. Even if they were commited, I don't think he'd be wrong for wanting to figure himself out before coming to her.
@@jonarbuckle778 you guys are missing the point, she isnt angry because he lied. on the contrary, she was understanding, which is why she kept pushing him to reveal it out of his own will. what angered her was the fact that, even though she made it clear SHE KNEW, he still avoided it and kept making excuses.
to the point she had to literaly throw herself out of a building to make him come out.
that's why she was so angry at him. she just wanted him to be honest but he refused to.
it would be fairer to compare to if in ep 1, clark called lois out on her lie, but she kept lying and trying to gaslight them into searching out livewire.
@@marcosdheleno You ever see a scene in a show where a character tells another that they know this big secret, so the other character gives in and confirms it for them? When surprise! The first character didn't know but was playing a psychological game in order to get information from the second person? Yeah, Clark had no way of knowing if that was what Lois was doing or not so he took the side of caution and acted like he didn't know what she was talking about. He's not an audience member, he doesn't know if she actually knows or not, and seeing her behavior, is it any wonder Clark would think this way? It's only after she THREW HERSELF OFF A BUILDING, that he understood that she truly knew his secret.
Really like how they’re handling Lois and Clark’s relationship. It’s still got that cute romance they usually have but the drama is good too.
People acting like Clark WITHHOLDING personal information about himself from someone who has proven out to violate his privacy is not even remotely in the category of Lying. Ones privacy is their right, secrets like this, which are ultimately not related to said person (Lois) unless Clark deems so, do not count as lying. People need to stop Vilifying the actual victim here. Clark was once again emotionally manipulated by Lois, forcing him to play his hand in a game he wasn't ready to play and nothing more than for her own personal gain. SECRETS BETWEEN FRIENDS are told through trust and she violated that. Lois is 100% in the wrong here.
From Lois perspective. She has spent some time reporting about Superman getting injured and going into dangerous situations. But then she figured out Supermans identity. He became more real, he can became somebody she deeply cared for. You can see this, with her worrying about whether he is flame proof or chaining herself to a super strong man is kinda irrational, but it is born of a fear she could lose somebody she cared about. When superman is hurt, Clark is hurt She was left on a roof, probably coming up with all the worst possible scenarios. Then he actually does come back hurt. Lois has been shown to struggle with being vulnerable. The relieve and anxiety that she was bottling up, come out as momentary anger. I honesty don't think she cares about Clark lying to her, she only gets angry when her brushes of his injuries as insignificant and meaningless, when they mean so much to her. Her actions are not good, but they very understandable
I'm constantly comparing Lois being angry with Clark with Amber being angry with Mark in Invincible.
It's like night and day. MAWS is taking the same premise and showing how to do it right.
its actually much worse than Amber cause they met 5 minutes ago! and they aren't even together!
@@crisananca313they said they’ve known each other for almost a month. And also, time is relative. The amount of time it takes to get close to someone can differ greatly depending on what you do together.
@@crisananca313 No it isn't. Lois actually had a somewhat valid reason for being mad. Amber was still getting pissed at Mark over small shit even AFTER she knew what he did.
@@tylerleach8796also, Mark eventually told her, THEN it’s revealed that she knew this whole time. How can she get mad then, when she knew he had valid excuses? Why would he tell her? (People need to understand that secret identities are also there to protect the loved ones of the hero).
What’s different here is that while Lois also figures out the secret identity, we know she did, and she immediately confronts Clark about it. Unlike Amber, who just hides the fact she knows and doesn’t confront Mark. They’re both new to being a hero, so it makes sense they’d worry about sharing their identities. Mark was basically bullied into revealing his, because Amber (even though she knew, somehow) hated being lied to and basically threatened the end of their relationship.
@@tylerleach8796 while i don't defend amber, she was in a relationship with mark for months by the time he tells her, and one of the main reasons is that while he had a more than valid reason, he kept dragging her along with it, there is no statement of since when amber knew his identity, but if she learnt during the University attack, then it's a bit more believable that she was also struggling with all new feelings of his boyfriend secret identity and why he kept leaving her waiting.
Lois reason is more oriented on her traumas and her tendencies of being quite a shitty person when it comes to getting her stories, and she showed no signs of that changing with superman, so besides being on her own world, there is no believable reason for her to be angry at clark when she is just being an hypocrite.
Both are in the wrong, and i definitely prefer MAWS over invincible identity reveal, but both aren't justified, neither are good since it's cheap drama that won't last 2 episodes, especially when both situations could be resolved in the spot if the writers allowed the hero character to give a better reason to defend themselves, instead of just 2 phrases and give up afterwards.
The issue is that Lois is a hypocrite. Whereas Clark keeps secrets to protect, Lois keeps secrets to manipulate events in her favor. She's more like her father, General Sam Lane, than she would care to admit. For someone who hates when others lie to her, she needs to take a long look in the mirror.
she really isnt. you are looking at it the wrong way, after clark called her out on her lie, she was honest with him. she said sorry, and asked for forgiveness, and she kept true to him. even telling him things she had no reason to, because she didnt want to lie to him.
but the reason she is allowed to be angry is that, SHE ISNT ANGRY AT THE SECRET. she isnt angry that he didnt tell her, she is angry because after she told him she knew... he still lied. at this point they are a couple, they both know that the other has feelings for them.
but above all, she spent the entire episode trying to make him come clean, she literaly told him to his face that she knew, and he still refused to.
and then, after being tired for not sleeping, tired for running after him the entire episode and tired from once again seeing him go after enemies she belives can kill him, he comes back, and instead of admiting to her, he basically force her to jump out of the building to make him admit.
its that which makes her angry.
so no, she isnt an hypocrite, because when she was caught in a lie, she admited, and then said sorry. when he did, he kept lying.
@@marcosdheleno He's not looking at it the wrong way. He's looking at it the sane way. Why do you think Lois is entitled to the secrets of a man she's at best known for a month or two? Some of y'all are nuts, I'm sorry. Also, at what point did they at any point say they were a couple? Or did you just assume that because the went on a assignment that they jokingly called a date? Is that your criteria for a relationship?
@@Darkvega2k7She's not entitled to know any of his secrets. Him being Superman isn't a secret to her though, she already knows. She yelled "Clark" as he was flying away, so unless he doesn't have super hearing yet, he already knows that she knows. He still continues to lie about it to her face though. He clearly has feelings for her, but at the same time he doesn't trust her, even though he's (more than likely) aware that she already knows the truth.
@SttudDioPierrot If he did hear her, which he most likely did. He obviously ignored her because he was trying to save lives. You know this, at least I hope that crossed your mind for a second. What were you expecting him to do? Suddenly, drop everything when they both knew time was short? And again, because you people just gloss over this. Clark barely knows the woman. Yet you lot seem to think he should just spill his guts to Lois just because. Clark has legitimate reasons not to fully trust her with such a huge secret. Where there are huge risks of him revealing to anyway. Especially some woman he barely knows. Hell, if he knew who Lois' father is prior, he'd have even more reason not to tell her. She's not entitled to his secrets OR an explanation. Think with logic and not your emotions.
@@Darkvega2k7let's use Logic then. You agree that he heard her say his name. It doesn't matter if he kept going, he heard her say his name. If he heard her say his namer, that means he knows that lois is aware that he's Superman. If Lois knows that he's Superman, then there's no secret.
Logically it would make sense for Clark to distance himself from Lois after she said she wanted to reveal Superman"s secrets, keep their relationship professional. Instead, he tries to pursue a relationship. Again, there was no secret, she already knew. He already knew, that she found out, but continued to lie to her. If he didn't trust her, he should have distanced himself emotionally and kept things platonic. That would be the most logical course of action 🤓
I’m on Superman’s/Clark’s side like he said Lois herself said she was gonna publish all of his secrets just got frustrated when she didn’t get what she wanted and it’s not fair to be mad at someone when they already don’t be comfortable to share any secrets
I feel Jimmy, being third wheeled is harsh
you and me both 😔
Jimmy doesn't really do himself any favors though. like when lois and clark are about to have moment and he jumps out from behind the couch to cockblock and ruin it. wasn't like he accidently came through a door at the wrong time, he literally hid behind them and jumped out at the worst possible moment.
The writing term would be "darkest before the dawn." Jimmy has been third-wheeled in the comics since about 1991 when Lois first learned the secret (and to a lesser extent before then by Ma & Pa Kent still being alive Post-Crisis.
Basically, every situation where Superman/Clark would go to his best friend Jimmy (who didn't know his secret) suddenly got supplanted by Lois, the fiancé (later wife) who knew his secret and countless writers have struggled for literally decades now trying to make Jimmy relevant.
This show looks to be both going for an early reveal for Lois, but, I suspect as well, a situation where Jimmy will also soon learn the secret and likely play a role in getting Clark and Lois over their kerfuffle... thereby establishing him as best friend to both who is a trusted secret keeper; i.e. a way for him to actually remain relevant within the stories here instead of struggling for a way for the dynamic work while still having him ignorant of the secret.
Ironically, I think it was likely the Tomasi Superman run with a married Lois & Clark and their 10-ish son Jon (who obviously knew his dad's secret) that probably paved the way a story where Lois, Clark and Jimmy (basically filling the young sidekick role of Jon) can be a functional trio with the secret kept between the three of them.
It's Clark's secret to tell. He can share it when he feels like it and not a second sooner.
Lois is being kind of hypocritical here, in my opinion. The FIRST THING she does when she meets Clark and Jimmy professionally was lie to them. It almost cost them their jobs too. I get that she hates being lied to, and a lie is a lie no matter what form, but her lie and his secret are two completely different situations. His being a much more understandable one.
Though it had good intentions, Lois's lie was admittedly a manipulative one. She wanted the jump on a dangerous story and dragged along two newbies who had no business participating in something even she shouldn't be chasing. Her ambition in revealing the truth about the dangerous tech put all three of them at risk. Clark could have handle it (and did) since he was Kryptonian, but Lois didn't know that. For all she knew, Clark really was just some guy from Kansas. And besides, he legit felt hurt for being used by her, yet she has the gall to throw her shit at his feet when things are kept from her? Espeically when his secret is motivated by more considerate reasons rather than manipulative ones, no less?
Clark's secret is kept that way to protect himself and people he knows and loves. Think about if the media one day revealed Superman's identity. The government would be on that shit like that! Ma and Pa Kent would be harrassed to no end, if not straight up abducted by secret services. Clark himself would have to go into hiding and not be able to publicly save people as much as he desires. And of course, the wellbeing of Lois and others at the Daily Planet would be used as a ploy against him, by government or otherwise. Its a damn secret for a damn good reason, Lois, and Clark has every right to be afraid of its exposure! Also, they barely know each other. She's getting mad at him like this secret had been kept from her all her life! Its hard to sympathize with Lois's perspective when she's a pot calling the kettle black. Let up on the kid, girl. All he wants to do is help without anyone getting hurt in the process.
Based on how much fluff has occured between them both in this series, I'm sure it'll all work itself out in the end. But goddamn, Lois. Take accountability for your OWN lies, and trust that a secret like Clark's is a secret for the good of everyone that knows him, including and especially YOU!
And?
I was kind of surprised that they had Lois figure out Superman's identity this early. I thought that would be saved for a mid-season finale or something, but I'm glad that didn't happen. With Clark being so inexperienced both as a superhero and with his powers, it makes sense that Lois would be able to put the pieces together. I didn't really have a problem with her reaction. Jumping off the building to get Clark to reveal his identity is not really new for Lois. Plus, after giving Clark multiple chances to tell the truth, she probably felt hurt that this was the only way for Clark reveal his secret. It's also extremely likely that her reaction also comes from the emotional baggage with her father. He didn't tell Lois the truth about how much her mother was sick and I assume that put a huge strain on their relationship. I wouldn't be surprised if that's where the whole keeping secrets is another way of lying comes from too.
Now Clark wasn't in the wrong. He's still getting used to being a superhero, doesn't know anything about his home planet or where he comes from, he's gaining more powers over time and Lois deliberately wanted to publish all of Superman's secrets when even he doesn't know who he is yet. It makes perfect sense why he didn't feel comfortable telling Lois the truth. Even if she didn't find that last piece to the murder board in the previous episode, I think it was just a matter of time before Lois found out given her determinate to get a real story for the Daily Planet and Clark's inexperience. Both of their reactions are understandable given their personalities and positions. I am excited to see how they are able to patch things up while they search for Jimmy. Their cute moments have been a surprising highlight of the series for me so far.
This was the best episode yet of my adventures with Superman. It continues the issues that Clark, Lois, and Jimmy are dealing with from the previous episode, while introducing new complications. Clark is completely oblivious about Lois being on to his secret while focusing on how the mysterious tech is endangering lives, while the tech itself seems connected to Krypton, while also dealing with his own developing feelings for Lois, and being introduced to Deathstroke, Amanda Waller, and a general who's most likely Lois' father, Sam Lane. Superman's confrontation with task force X is definitely his most difficult battle yet, and implies that Superman's powers are fluctuating, possibly due to not knowing what he's truly capable of. While it's clear that something happened to the general to make him be distrustful of Superman, he at least has enough integrity to not risk civilians to defeat Superman, unlike Amanda Waller who basically behaves as she usually does, doing whatever it takes to stop the threat, even if it's morally questionable. Lois is dealing with trying to expose Clark's secret of being Superman, while also dealing with her own issues with secrets and lies. I honestly don't like how Lois exposes Clark by risking her own life, but it is sad and understandable how her relationship with Clark is taking a turn for the worse. In all honesty, I think Clark should be more angry with Lois because him being Superman isn't a secret that Lois needed to know, and I am not sure that the approach Lois took to expose Clark was the right thing to do. Clark even tried to tell Lois the truth in the previous episode, but Lois being frustrated with Superman's secrets made him pull back, and Lois' reaction to Clark exposing himself sort of justified him not telling her his secret. Jimmy deals with being a third wheel, Steve Lombard trolling his posts, and Steve even making a good point about Jimmy's relationship with Lois and Clark, ending with Jimmy being forgotten about due to Lois and Clark dealing with their own issues. Jimmy even gets kidnapped by the end of the episode by something that resembles an ape. I don't think that it's gorilla Grodd because he's a Flash villain. I won't know until the next episode, but it could be Ultra Humanite, an enemy of Superman that resembles an ape. I also don't know what is going to happen with the trio of Lois, Clark, and Jimmy, since things ended on a bad note with them, but the complications between them might make their relationship stronger.
To be fair, this show is making it clear they have no issues taking other DC Rogues and throwing them in here. Slade/Deathstroke is a Nightwing/Teen Titans villain, yet here he is, so Grodd being a Flash villain definitely doesn't preclude him being introduced here either.
That being said, I kind of don't feel like this is Grodd. Not sure why, just doesn't feel like this is how they'd introduce Grodd if that is their plan at all, but I fully admit that I could be totally wrong on this.
I’ve been enjoying your reviews of the episodes and I definitely agree that this is the best episode so far. I’m thinking the gorilla that captured Jimmy is either Ultra-Humanite or possibly Grodd.
I think you are probably right about the gorilla being either Grodd or Ultra-Humanite, but just for the sake of speculation I think it might be Solovar. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure one of Jimmy's conspiracy theories in an earlier episode was a reference to Gorilla City.
Just how many super intelligent Evil Gorillas are in the DC Universe?
@@Eli-el4ls More than you’d think
@@Eli-el4ls A whole bunch. Gorilla City is a super advanced hidden city in Africa. It's basically Wakanda if everyone was a gorilla.
Truthfully I hope it's Ultra-Humanite, because Grodd gets considerably more attention in general.
Gorilla is most likely monsieur Mallah, if you look closely, you can see that the gorilla is wearing a beret. Jimmy also referenced Mallah in first episode.
This show just keeps getting better and better this version of Superman is becoming one of my favorite versions of Superman since the og justice league series only thing missing is the brotherhood of Batman and superman which doesn’t need to happen but would only make me love it more love the little Easter egg of bludhaven in this episode confirms there is a Gotham and might be a Batman which gets me excited but I will not except a Batman until we see more of Superman I don’t want Batman to appear in Superman early years maybe a year 3 or onwards type of Clark but this show brings back the real Superman and I am all here for it
This Series gets Better and Better, the way it’s making Jimmy a Third Wheel more Noticeable and Lois feeling betrayed of Clark’s Secret is Deep with Layers of Realism, the Animation looks Great as Always, I think the Fire Lady is Volcana, It’s the First Time we see Superman fight Deathstroke outside of the Comics which is really Good, Slave being a Killing Machine to the Government might hint that that he will go Rogue and Mad in the Future and the Skull Mask also could hint that this Alien Technology belongs to Brainiac since it looks similar his Skull Ship, Waller is a Cool Woman that will take Extreme Measures to wipe the Enemy Down, and the General is clearly Sam Lane as the Flashbacks makes Sense Now and perhaps the reason why he was Calling Lois last episode was to get out of there with Ivo using Parasite, also the set up for the Ultra Humanite makes me curious how it will go and I have a Feeling that the Government will Transfuse that Tech on Humans, 10 out of 10, a Fuuny and Mature Episode.
The fire lady is a genderbend heatwave
@@neokamenrideryeah that makes more sense since that Flamethrower was mentioned Heatwave, Honestly it’s not a Bad Change since the Character isn’t well known (the CW Version doesn’t count).
@@featherguardian6023 yeah also she had the same colors as the original heatwave
I mean I wouldn't even consider it a fight. Superman juat stands there consistently getting hit by everything the only time he retaliates is with either heat vision or that one punch he landed.
Lois gave Clark so much chances to tell her his secret and in the end she had to jump off a building to get the truth out of him. I understand why some might feel like your friend being Superman would be a cool reveal, but if you need to jump off a building to get them to admit it, then I can imagine you might feel like they didn’t trust you enough to tell you. And that would feel like a betrayal, especially with the backstory of Lois’ father always keeping her in the dark.
I think some people are looking at this situation in a vacuum and only considering the fact that Lois lied on the day they met. Besides, you should seriously just let the writers do their job before you start harping on them for “bad writing”. I prefer to always be optimistic and give a story the benefit of the doubt. Very rarely is a story so unsalvageable that the writers didn’t have a chance to turn things around.
It's not about trust lmao
This is superhero 101, you don't tell your loved ones your secret identity, cause it puts them in danger.
Nah this is fine writing, but to say it's on Clark makes no sense. This is like saying all soldiers in Spec Ops should tell their loved ones that they're in Spec Ops
@@Ditteauxessay never said it was on Clark. Both sides have their own flaws and their own points. And that’s really hard to pull off. Usually, conflicts like these can be easily resolved and arguably, should never even start, but I think the episode did a good job of making it so that both sides could be understood.
I don't agree, I don't think Lois is owed anything from Clark, especially not as he's still figuring things out himself. They're not an item, he doesn't owe her anything and it was really dirty to force a confession out of him like that.
@@L3FT2BURN never said she was owed anything, I just said it comes off as Clark not trusting Lois.
Lois, or anyone for that matter, is not owed trust or honesty. But when you refuse to show your trust for someone, you can’t blame them when they don’t want to try furthering their relationship with you. That’s what happened. Lois said, “I was your- I don’t know what we were going to be, but that’s all over now.”
Let me put it this way, you might not have to keep a promise, but don’t expect the person whose promises you’re breaking to want to try becoming better friends with you.
So yeah, Lois wasn’t owed an answer, and Clark wasn’t owed forgiveness.
I dont think it's a cliche with Lois. She’s mad at Clark because she cares about him and he's treating her like she's stupid. This isn't an Amber situation. Not to mention that literally in episode 1 Clark got mad at Lois for lying to him. She's justified here.
Tell that to everyone tearing her to shreds on Twitter, like they act like this version of Lois isn't going to be flawless and when this tension happened everyone is on the hate train and call it a cliche
I disagree. Everyone is entitled to secrets. Especially if those secrets being kept isn’t endangering anyone. Also, he just met her. The kind of trust she expects from him, the kind of trust required to expose his identity, has to be EARNED. She explicitly states she’s going to expose all his secrets before she knew who he was. Why would he expect that to change just because she knows him? As a reporter it is her job to report the truth objectively, without pulling punches even if it’s someone you may personally know. Clark knowing that, as well as how far she’s willing to take things and who/what she’s willing to sacrifice just to get that big story/her big break….. I completely understand why he didn’t tell her and he is in no way is required to. He can tell her if and when he’s ready or if she ever EARNS his trust.
Also the fact that she thinks it’s ok to jump off a building, threatening to kill yourself just because you want someone to expose some of the most personal, intimate details of their life, is behind fucked up and highly manipulative.
She is not justified here. Lois lied about something that could have gotten him and jimmy fired. For clark he had not obligation to tell her anything. At least him “lying” does harm anyone. Clark and Lois aren’t even dating at least Amber was a teenager and dated Mark for 6 months? What’s the excuse for Lois?
She’s definitely not “justified”, but her anger is at least understandable.
Clark wasn't even remotely in the wrong.
I think some of the drama surrounding the scene with Clark and Lois arguing about Clark lying stems from the bad taste the Invincible show left with Mark and Amber's argument scene.
In Invincible, the show made it seem that Mark was somehow actually in the wrong and spent a good chunk focusing it and Amber being downright irrational and hypocritical, with no real reason to be.
We have yet to see what happens in Ep. 6 of MAwS, but what makes the ending of Ep. 5 feel more appropriate is that it doesn't side with who's right and who's wrong, both Clark and Lois were being irrational and hypocritical, but it's easy to understand as they JUST HAD to deal with adrenaline-inducing situations. Clark just came back from a fight that ACTUALLY gave him a hard time, and Lois was freaking out of her mind, and seeing Clark actually hurt didn't help.
Secondly, unlike Amber, Lois didn't hide the truth that she knew, but granted, we don't know how long she knew in between episodes, but she didn't play Clark like a fool, she was trusting him to eventually tell her and only snapped when Clark tried to downplay a life-threatening fight.
also, lois spend alot of this episode trying to make clark admit, because all she wants is for him to come clean. and instead he basically forced her to go beyond in order to make him.
she is more angry at him still lying after she told him she knew, than the fact he was keeping that secret.
I think there’s a very simple reason why Deathstroke doesn’t have a half black mask, he hasn’t lost an eye. He’s gonna loose it at some point and get it.
But thinking about it, it really should’ve been Bloodsport. He’s literally a Superman villain, and they could’ve even had him shoot Clarkmwith Kryptonite at some point
Yeah I can see Slade maybe having to reforge a new half to his mask, minus the eye if he looses one in this show.
I do see though how Bloodsport could've worked better now actually now that you mention it. He is better known for rocking high tech weapons, though not too sure if swords would look as good on him at they do Deathstroke
@@csab8642 to me, the same way each one of those thugs have gained powers/get scarred by the armor going haywire, i feel like at the end of the season slade will have part of his mask break on his face, which will make him lose sight in that eye. its even possible that part of the mask will become embeded in or he will salvage what remains of the armor to make one that looks closer to this one.
also, i bet he will deffect afte the season, which will make waller create the suicide squad.
as a side note, i think jimmy will hook up with silver banshee. maybe she will escape and hide at his place(possible after clark starts living with lois).
@@marcosdheleno that would actually be kinda funny to see Clark and Loise react to Jimmy dating a crook
@@csab8642 they were a couple in the comics, and in all honesty, she is the right amount of crazy to have some sweet and hilarious episodes surrounding them.
one of the main problems with romance stories is how they often forget that the rest of the world exists, and focus only on the main couple.
i hope they can give jimmy someone of his own to pursue.
I agree, I didn't even realize it was deathstroke at first tbh, but I actually like this rendition and I'm looking forward to where they take it
The cuteness of this show makes it hit that much harder when things turn sad 😢
Lois was wrong for the exact same reason that Amber was wrong about Mark in "Invincible".
I think the backgrounds were going for a classic 90's shojo style for the backgrounds where distant cityscapes are abstracted down to line drawings and bloby watercolors. It's used a lot in Sailor Moon and more retro anime to save resources and draw focus. If it's executed well, it has a dreamy nostalgic feeling. The way it is in this episode feels like a mistake the way the city becomes white line drawings seemingly abruptly near the horizon.
I don't think they pulled it off quite yet in this episode, but I think it comes into itself a little later in the season with how it chooses to omit details more successfully. I love that retro, less detailed background art in city anime, personally. Detailed, intricate backgrounds absolutely have their time and place, but I prefer the more lush colorful abstractions. In this more character centric show, I understand what they were going for, but I agree it's just not quite there yet in this episode.
It's literally Invincible all over again. SHE KNEW. She figured it out herself and still blamed him for keeping the secret.
Except Clark didn’t know that she knew and still tried to lie to her even as she was concerned about his injuries.
@tylerleach8796 it's dreadfully silly to think she's owed that truth when she's been lying way more for more selfish purposes.
I think Lois was being a hypocrite. She doesn't want people who are close to her to lie to her - but it's "totally okay" for her to do that to them. In a way, she doesn't have a leg to stand on with that. I've known people like that; one of whom was my ex-fiance - hence the "ex" part.
I don’t get why they used a genderswapped Heat Wave when Volcana’s right there. She’s even actually a Superman villain, unlike Heat Wave, who is a Flash villain.
Loui is completely in the wrong here. She does not have a right to know the secretes of other people, especially not coworkers with which she is not even in an official relationship. She is acting hysterical and Clark is completely justified in keeping his secrets.
I feel like Deathstroke will get the split mask once he loses his eye.
We probably won't see the traditional look of Deathstroke until he's suffers a major injury. It's probably either at the end of the first season or sometime in the second season.
I feel like Deathstroke's costume will get updated to the half black mask eventually. Right now in the show Slade hasn't lost his eye yet.
I LOVE ALL 5 EPISODES OF MY ADVENTURES WITH SUPERMAN AMAZING SUPERMAN ANIMATED SHOW I GIVE ALL 5 EPISODES 10 OUT OF 10
no, he has the right to keep his life private unitl he is ready to share
do you tell the people you met a few months ago all of your life and intimacy?
1 secret identity is one way to protect your loved ones and friends
2 if your friends know whos your identity your now a easy target
3 enemy can find ways to exploit the person who know your identity by kidnapping their family
4 have you seen marvel iron man every one know who he is, where he leave and friends by revealing his identity to the world
5 batman got good multiple scenarios to prevent his identity not to get leaked
lois like to make superman reveal the truth but when she knows clark is superman everything went from invincible level
How would they be an easy target unless your VILLAINS know your secret identity?
@@tylerleach8796 villans got multiple disguises meanwhile superman only had glasses
@@roiwtto0919 …that literally only makes sense if one of your friends and loved ones is a villain…which to be fair, that does happen with some superheroes.
Lois was acting like a self entitled baby. Dont know what clark sees in her. I hate when writers create characters like that.
Clark needs to talk to Wally about being in two places at once. Wally did this once when he had to be in the same place with the FLASH (this is when Barry was in the Speed Force)
My main problem with Lois being upset about Clark 'lying' is that we've seen a few times in previous episodes that she herself will lie to get a story. Examples include her and Jimmy saying they are other reporters to gain access to some information, or the first episode where she lies to both Clark and Jimmy to help her track down the missing tech. These can be excused for the most part do to being so early in the series that the writers were definitely still getting a feel for how these interpretations of iconic characters should be handled.
I’m pretty sure she had the same reaction in the comics about him being Superman so good on them for tying it closer to the comics
I will not be surprised if that was Gorilla Grodd Titano the Super-Ape or Ultra-Humanite in Episode 6
Or the ultra humanite
It will be the gorilla that Jimmy married in the comics.
@@ДимчоДимов-ж7еLet me guess, the Silver-Age
@@ThyFloorestFloor Yes.
It could also be Monsieur Mallah.
General Lane showing up was so cool
5:51 there's one comic in which Lois in a heat of a moment reveals Clark's super identity to the world. Other than that though I don't recall any other Superman story where Lois finds out about Clark's secret without him telling her.
Edit: it happened in *Superman No. 43*
This isn't the first time Lois figured out Clark is Superman on her own, she also did this in "Man of Steel".
I'll watch the show before I start getting mad that they gave Jimmy a soul
You know you got a good show when the moral dilemma has people discussing and even arguing. But we can all agree Clark and Lois both did Jimmy guilty. The gorilla may also be gorilla grodd. And I think the flame bird trolling thing was more of a parody of how people will go at each others throats and argue online (especially yt drama) without any actual good arguments or evidence
Terrible way to judge a show people will argue over anything 😭
I think the reason why Lois is upset is because her father has lied to her in the past, especially with how sick her mother was, she didnt expect Clark to keep a secret from her. Though I cant justify her actions either. She openly lied to both Clark and Jimmy in the previous episodes.
However, two wrongs never make a right, Lois was wrong with how she lied to Clark and Jimmy, and also for not understanding that some secrets must remain a secret. Journalists often dont care about the consequences of telling a story, whether the story is true or not.
There was a guy in Australia who was falsely accused of sexual assault on a woman that needed a tire changed. She accused him of trying to force himself on her, causing him to lose his job, his marriage, and was thrown into prison before the police finally checked the security camera outside the building her car was near. Once the evidence was proven, she confessed, though the damage was already done.
In the Marvel Civil War, Peter Parker revealed his identity and Aunt May was shot. So, Clark was justified with not telling her, it was his secret and he is still trying to figure out who he is.
Skyler Gisondo is the favourite to play Jimmy Olsen in the Gunn universe.
Superman saves people for a lot of accidents and crimes within some minutes. This version of Metropolis might be the most dangerous city to live in. Anyway, I really enjoy this show!
"Slade Wilson" HIS NAME IS JERRY SMITH
THANK YOU!
i thought it was cute on how lois says" so thats how you're going to play it. I WAS UP HERE WORRIED THAT YOU GOT HURT!"
I laughed at Steve making fun of Jimmy’s TH-cam channel, because it’s something that happens to other people online.
Not as good as "Superman the Animated Series" but I didn't expect it to be!
Might beat it later on but still like STAS more. This one does advance faster tho
They're different shows with different tones but both perfectly captured the spirit of Superman and his supporting cast.
I feel that "You Will Believe A Man Can Lie" should have been pushed back by at least one or two episodes. Lois's feeling of betrayal just doesn't land, and neither does the line about what they could have been. There really just wasn't enough time for Clark and Lois to bond and grow as a potential couple before this moment.
And we've never gotten a stated reason Clark was keeping his idenity a secret. So his excuse about being afraid Lois was going to publish his secrets just rings hollow. He was already keeping his powers a secret before Lois made that statement, and that still doesn't explain why he'd keep his powers a secret from Jimmy.
I think it's just expected that Clark would have a secret identity, so the show never stopped to give us an in character reason.
agreed. i think the series would work even better if they had her do some ground work to find out, maybe have her find the truth, not from seeing it in his pocket, but by seeking out an edition of that magazine that is intact, having her spend an episode going to smallville and questioning people there because while her brain is telling her its clark, she still doesnt want to belive it.
and then, after she is certain, have this episode.
It’s so refreshing seeing Superman being a boy scout again and adding a new outtake on him being inexperienced with his power, and not just that he was that good persona that we love from Superman, I was so tired of all the writers making him a antagonist or him being a jerk in other universe, and always dick riding Batman.
Edit: I don’t hate Batman but if he does appear in the future I want something different instead of the same stuff, of Batman always wanting to fight Superman, I want that team up were both are respected and they cover each other’s flaws, and show the audience why both are great leader in their own way, instead of always the same who will in a fight.
I would like it if Batman had been crimefighting for a number of years already, and decides to mentor Clark after deducing how green he is. And maybe give him advice on maintaining secret identities.
@@magicaltour1 I think there was a little bit of that dynamic going on between Oliver Queen (Arrow) and Barry Allen (The Flash) in the early days of CW's Arrowverse.
@@magicaltour1 that sounds like fun, and Superman showing Batman some advance science that could help Batman, people always forget Superman can be a scientist and use his brain, he has the knowledge of other planets and different technology, that's why i love all star Superman cause they show that his not just a strong alien with Powers, he is also a person that loves to learn, so him helping Batman on how to better his arsenal that can be fun, but that's just me, i'm just tired of all the writers forgetting that Batman and Superman respect each other, one being human and the other and alien but they fight for the greater good, but they can't both have all the answer, and they have to count with each other when they are crossing the line of being a Villan. Cause lets be honest Batman can be a jerk and a dick sometimes with his Sidekick and other heroes.
For me it’s easy to tell where they got the inspiration from for the revile, they are reminiscent of the original superman movies with Christopher Reave in them. The one problem that I have with Lois finding out the truth is that it feels too early for me, they should have left for the second season or leave it as a cliff hanger at the end of the first season. For me Lois and Clark’s relationship hasn’t fully matured yet. It still feels like they just met last week. One of the reasons why the producers should have waited, is to make the audience crave fro the revile to happen in. Other superman tv shows with a Lois and Clark relationship have wasted much longer. The 90s show “Lois and Clark and the new adventure of superman”, didn’t have Lois finding out until the start of the third season. And smallville took even longer with Lois finding out 5 seasons after her original introduction.
I loved how Lois found out and her reaction was very similar to Teri Hatchers in "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman" Which this show does borrow a lot from.
I do continue to agree that Chris Parnell is miscast as Deathstroke. I'm all for giving actors a chance to flew their range but every time he talks all I hear is Cyril Figgis from Archer.
I agree that Deathstroke should have just been Bloodsport. It's a very minor point, but it bothers me a little bit. Still though, each episode continues to be better than the last, which is a good place for your show to be in. Here's hoping they continue this level of quality for several seasons more.
Bloodsport would have made more sense with the tech look. Not sure too luch about the swords though sense that's definitely more a Slade thing
By the way, the unnamed General is absolutely Sam Lane, Lois Lane's father. I look forward to finding out what Net Zero Day is.
You picked some great screen shots. She found out in the comic's and on Lois and Clark
"It's never be in situation when that person owe them the truth. Shouldn't one be more excited finding out their friend is superhero"
Yes, if they were still _only friends_ , unfortunately this episode comes right after the gala episode when it was set that they were about to be more than that. So yeah, Clark kinda owe Lois the truth.
He doesn't owe her anything. That scene was literally less a few days ago. It's absurd to think they should start to tell each other everything when they haven't even gone on a proper date or say "I like you" to each other.
Okay. So Spec Ops members should tell their loved ones what they're doing.
@@acomfyslugcat I tend to agree. Other stuff that might be factoring in to Clark's overall reluctance to spill his guts about everything right away could involve his personal backstory, which we've only seen bits and pieces of so far.
For instance, has this version of the character ever revealed his abilities to anybody besides his parents? Has he dated or had any girlfriends previously? All of this might be brand new territory for him.
I feel this was too early for them to make this conflict. clark and lois have not known eachother that long yet and this scene could have worked better if it was at the season finale or season 2 were we get all this development between the two and lois would feel betrayed that they have known eachother so long that he would not trust her with this secret.
Just curious, would this version of Lois be the same if she interacts with other superheroes if she interacts with them in their secret identity and "lying" to her even though they're keeping their identity secure, like Batman (who is the last person for anyone to know his identity)?
Difference between this moment and moment in Invicible is that we see Lois point of view "oppinion" on betreyal and being lied to while in Invincible we don't know anything about amber, and when she was mad at Mark it looked likd an asspul.
Absolutely fantastic show and should be the basic template for Superman and Lois for any future DC projects *cough pay attention James Gun cough*
I just hope that the two of them will work it out but Lois does expose Clark not only will her life be in danger, but others to the villains might use her as a bargaining chip just to get to him, and I know deep down Clark really does care about Louis
Surprised you didn't mention Heatwave being a weird villain for Superman.
Hey @The Black Lion did you see the new Justice League X RWBY: Super Heroes and Huntsmen Part 1?
Based on my over 60 years of reading Superman comics I'm guessing Jimmy stumbled upon the Cadmus Project.
I think they didn't go for the split because it wouldn't really make sense since he hasn't lost his eye yet, they'll probably fix it afterwards
Be cool if like after loosing his eye he dyes one half black, and maybe welds a metal patch over the lense do to the fact he no longer has use for it. Or maybe he gets caught in am explosion that permanently scorches half the mask black and he chooses to leave it that way
finally people are apreciating this shows excelent writing. i've seen so many misogonists online calling lois "the new amber" and its unbeleivable and unbearble
Tbh, Deathstroke feels like a hypocrit. He says that they're the good guys, but he flat-out destroyed the support beam of a bridge that very clearly had heavy traffic. And no, I don't think him thinking that Superman was secretly some kind of villain excuses this. At least the guy in charge of the operation had the brains to realize that letting the people on the bridge die was not a good idea. Amanda Waller, on the other hand, very clearly had tunnel vision and was totally willing to sacrifice the people on the bridge.
I bet that general is going to be Lois Dad calling it now
He has a right to hide who he is if the wrong people get that info his parents are in danger. Is he supposed to divulge hes a god to a bitch hes not even in a close relationship with. Sure you can share shit with friends, but again HE JUST MET HER AWHILE AGO.
Clark was 💯 gonna tell Lois his secret, but she oddly viewed Superman in a negative perspective, with no concrete basis for it.
Also, Clark doesnt owe her any explination.
Lets remember that she nearly got herself, Clark & Jimmy fired, with the latter two being brand new interns.
They also made her too blunt a Journalist instead of an inquisitive, yet covert investigator.
She should have used some silver-tonged smoothtalking to get the answers & leads she wanted.
Also, why...
Why the hell are they turning several DC Meta-Human Villains into goons with gadgets?
And Slade...
What did they do to my boy?!
They Yassified him!
I actually liked how empathetic Steve is in his own way to Jimmy. He's been the third wheel friend and sees it happening to Jimmy and wants to give him so advice and support. It's a nice twist as opposed to just making him the combative reaction channel guy
I’m loving this show so far, but not giving Deathstroke his classic mask was the biggest mistake the designers made
5:59 you forgot the time Lois shot, Clark in Superman 2.
In that one the gun didn't have bullets. So there was no physical risk of actually injuring Clark, not saying anything about the emotional or psychological trauma that comes from seeing someone you love and trust shooting you point blank.
Not the first time llis has found out before clark tells her smallville for example
a big thing isn't so much that Lois is angry about clark lying to her, but rather than clark shows he doesn't trust her. She's been shown before to have trust issues about stuff such as her dad lying to her about her mom and other stuff in their past, and she's opened up to clark about that. Plus there was the part of the first episode where Lois lied to Clark and he got upset at her about it, and they later made up and promised they wouldn't lie to each other again. So even though Clark is justified in keeping his secret, it's clear based on what Lois said about superman and stuff that he doesn't trust her while all she did was worry about him being hurt. It hurts being told that the person you care about in a relationship doesn't trust you, and when you already have trust issues, that hurts a lot more. Clark is still right, but he (and really both of them) could've handled the situation better, but emotions gets the better of them
They are coworkers and new friends he can't share that he's an alien God to a NEW friend
I hear what you're saying, but at the same time I keep reminding myself that we're only at episode five. Not exactly sure how much time has passed since they met, but I think it probably takes quite a while before most people are prepared to share their deepest, most personal secrets.
Seemed like Clark was still at the early stages where he was just trying to muster up enough courage to tell Lois how he felt and maybe ask her out on a date.
@@BCBaron I think it’s been about a month since they first met, but that’s kind of just speculation cause there isn’t a real timeline, but it does feel like there’s been some gaps between episodes so at the least a few weeks.
And yeah, nobody is saying Clark needs to tell her everything. Clark was right to want to keep his life secret and he doesn’t owe that to her. BUT that doesn’t mean she can’t feel hurt by him telling and showing he doesn’t trust her. That’s the heart of the issue.
And Clark could’ve been better as well. Nobody is saying he needed to tell her everything, but he at least could’ve been a little more upfront that he doesn’t feel comfortable about some stuff or doesn’t want to talk to her about it yet rather than continuing to deny it when she basically tells him she knows
I have no complains about the trajectory and plot and i really like the chemistry so far between the characters, my only concern is about how they showed slade aka deathstroke , he is nothing like deathstroke and that's really bad for the show bc they could waist one of the best villains in dc
Best part about the episode is that it get people talking because the writer add more character into the character
That. Is , A, Good ,Geat, 👍Show, Can Wait for, More Episodes, Next week episode,
That. Is. A, Good. Geat , show, Can wait, For, More. Episodes, Next week episode
I don't know a lot about Bloodsport, however as I understand it, he's mentally ill so perhaps they will go for a more tragic villain who easily gets manipulated by Lex Luthor when he appears in season 2.
I thought the Gorilla at the end could also be Titano which is an obscure Superman villain. But Ultra Humanite makes more sense
Plus Titano is a chimpanzie, not a gorilla.
Wait we’re already at the season finale next week?!? NOOOOOO
Ehhh, the animation quality and choreography at the end was not it for me. I’ve seen no one discuss this though :(
I’m calling it now. The general is Sam Lane
I am intrigue on where this is going to next with Clark kent and Lois lane romance.
A yes the clown Lois. Who is OLD enough to never heard/learned of The legendary Hero turned villain quotes of "Good deeds goes unpunished".
I'm disappointed that Lois found out his secret so early in the season. I would have enjoyed seeing Superman coming up with more creative ways to hide his secret identity. The current creative ways have been pretty lame. Perhaps he could have used the Kryptonian technology to Cobble together some form of AI or even a hologram. Also Lois who lies all the time being upset because Clark didn't tell her that he was Superman is dumb. With all of the super-powered beings that she faced in the last four episodes she should understand why Clark did not tell her his secret. This appears to be drama for drama's sake. They did this reveal in the TV show Smallville so much better. Yes it went on too long but at least they didn't have her pretending not to know the dangers of him telling her his secret.
You’ve never watch Smallville, have you?
the Ultra Humanite?! its clearly Gorilla Grod! he got lost on his way to Central City!
How many episodes are confirmed?
10 for this season with a second season confirmed
Jimmy being kidnapped might be a call back to an old issue of Superman where a gorilla fell in love with him and super man had to find a way to save him
I've heard people saying it's Monsieur Mallah.
If that's the case, let's just hope he didn't kidnap Jimmy cause he's looking for a replacement after his breakup with Brain...
@@tylerleach8796If they haven't broken up, poor Jimmy's about to become a test subject for some illegal science experiment.