When the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land. Desmond Tutu
"they COULD NOT see"... "they were so BLINDED". Naw, she's scapegoating man. the slavemaster knew EXACTLY what the hell he was doing. Chattel slavery was great business for the Caucasian. foh
Oswald Bates That's basically what she was saying, they were"justifying" it using the Bible. There is no God! No Satan. Just evil people doing evil to gain power.
I agree that they were wrong. If you grew up being taught from a baby that it was ok or justified for whatever reason and there was never anything to refute you for that would you see it as ok? Not in the digital age but during that time. Slavery of all centuries was wrong and God will judge that.
If you look at the flip side are black children being raised to fear or hate white people? In Kansas I did not have tons of exposure to the black community but I did have good Christian parents who taught me to love all indifferent of color. Follow the bible and Him and you'll have your answer to the world's problems.
The argument is not if they knew what they were doing, but rather how they justified it....Or how did they makes themselves feel better about what they were doing. How does my imaginary god allow me to enslave others?
AL Stephens They teach that in college and it should be elementary schools. And because you all used the Bible for your benefit God has a bigger plan for you all. So just wait for it. Unless you've repented..
I swear they can call themselves Christian's but if their not practicing Christianity correctly and just manipulating it as they we know it then are they really Christian's, no god would not accept them into the golden gates of heaven
When you start talking about Abraham you have to mention how the bible was not written for every nation of people in the world it was written to the Israelites not the gentiles, but the gentiles where the ones who used the bible to enslave the people of Israel and invade their land and steal their identity
Wait...🤔 So then what about the Bible and it talking about when and how to beat your slaves? Then mentioning that if you beat your slave and he doesn't die for a certain period of time then it's okay for you? 🤔
@Jahmed Music Do you not know the difference between prisoner of war, noncombatant, and slave? God did not typically allow prisoners of war. He always forced the Israelites to kill all of the warriors, usually even the women and children as well. Leviticus talks about BUYING the slaves from other nations, not acquiring through war. What you may be construing as prisoners of war are in the cases like numbers 31 where God told them to keep the virgin girls for themselves. Those are not prisoners of war. POWs refer to combatants, those participating in the conflict. In all civilized war, it is illegal to keep noncombatants and treat them as anything else as they had commited no action against the nation. Even combatants, who become prisoners of war are given back to their country after war in civilized nations. Of course the biblical god just loves complete annihilation, so that wasn't an option so yeah, they would have become slaves if he ever let them live. For the noncombatants that were spared God's bloodlust, they definitely became slaves. It doesn't matter how nice they were treated, even though it's complete horseshit to think they were predominantly treated well, because owning people, treating them as property and forcing them to work for you is the very definition of slavery in the biblical times as well as today. If the laws of Moses told the Israelites to treat women as inferior to men, the disfigured or crippled as less than the others, and Hebrews better than foreigners, it provided an IMMENSE amount of leeway and interpretation of how they are allowed to treat people. No matter how you want to sugarcoat it in order to continue pretending, it is bullshit to think murdering hordes that willingly killed women, children and infants for no good reason would readily, let alone always, treat their slaves like family or even well.
XxJohnny Gulag69xX It doesn’t say anything about POW’s that’s a terrible argument and something you made up it says NOTHING about POW’s it just says you can buy slaves from the nations around you.
"Slaves, obey your masters" is advocating absolute pacifism from the slave (you can argue that this is also evil). Sounds like ppl take religious texts and use them as a means to their ends.
I believe it said, " Servants obey your masters." There is a difference between a servant and a slave. Slavery was big business and whites meant to make as much money as they could from it. Before 1861 Mississippi was either the first or third wealthiest state in the union because of the value of slaves.
paxmule slave = person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them HOWEVER servant = person employed in a house on domestic duties or as a personal attendant🤝 two very different things
EX. 21:16."AND HE THAT STEALETH A MAN, AND SELLETH HIM, OR IF HE BE FOUND IN HIS HAND; HE SHALL SURELY BE PUT TO DEATH....DEUT. 24:7" IF A MAN BE FOUND STEALING ANY OF HIS BRETHREN OF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL; AND MAKETH MERCHANDISE OF HIM: THEN THAT THIEF SHALL DIE; AND THOU SHALT PUT EVIL AWAY FROM AMONG YOU....NO FORCED LABOR !!!
Mejor Toler PEOPLE DONT TRY TO SEE WHAT GOD IS SAYING..WHY HE SAID IT...OR THE PURPOSE FOR HIM SAYING IT...IF WE WOULD DO LEGITAMATE INVESTIGATION WE WOULD BE SURPRISED ...
Christianity is a delusional cult Ephesians 6:5-8 Paul states, “Slaves, be obedient to your human masters with fear and trembling, in sincerity of heart, as to Christ”
What on earth is she talking about, saying the OT does not support slavery?! It is absolutely, unashamedly pro-slavery. It says very clearly the the Jews could own slaves, who are considered property. The NT doesn't do anything to rectify this. She talks about how slave-owners couldn't see how they interpreted scripture in their own interests, yet that is what she is doing. She understands slavery is immoral but wants to hold onto her faith, so she dismisses the pro-slavery parts of the Bible in order to meet her objectives. It is totally hypocritical.
That's a pathetic excuse. Ephesians 6.5: "Slaves, obey your earthly masters, with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ." - What's descriptive about that? Both sentence structure and content make it very clear that this is an imposed rule, not a description of the situation.
The same way all people that do horrible things do it. They have “god on their side”. Makes it a lot easier to cause horrible suffering when you know in your heart of hearts that you’re doing the right thing.
How did Christian slaveowners justify slavery? They read and applied Deuteronomy,Exodus,Leviticus and sayings of Paul ..... BTW JC didn’t ban slavery either
@@Sigueme1 I've read the whole thing and it's slavery is not better than American slavery. I've reads it a number of times and grown up in the south. It does nothing to unite the races, but its quite divisive. Please, honestly tell me it was good when Paul instructed a runaway slave to return to his master? Please don't mention that he asked for the slave to be sort of freed, because that guaranteed nothing and we don't know what happened when he went back. If bible slavery had been good, he wouldn't have run. The christian response should be acceptance of what the bible says without cheap excuses. God never apologized for all the monstrosities in that book so you probably shouldn't either. That book is no love story. It's just horrible mythology
She is quite the spin doctor, in the OT it allows masters to beat slaves to the point of death, it says slaves are property of their masters and people who were not Israelite could own a slave and their descendants forever.
So... you can just decide thst the Bible means what ever you want it to mean even prescriptive passages? What about the ten commandments? Does thou shalt not kill mean go murder who ever you want? What parts are supposed to be read literally and what parts aren't? Who decides this?
If the all knowing, all powerful, all loving God of the Bible didn't want his people to practice slavery God could have easily commanded his people not to have slaves
Slaves in the Bible were more like endentured servants and they were a part of the family. In the US people were treated like animals. If Americans thought slavery was ok why the need for a slave Bible with 85% removed?. Especially the parts about paying for work done and equality?
@@Marah493 In the bible it only allowed fellow Jews to be indentured servants. People from other nations could be owned as property and handed down to the slaveholders children. How does it feel to defend the horrendous instructions in the bible? Lying for Jesus are you?
Are you kidding me? Descriptive? Here is the full quote. It’s a freaking command. Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect(A) and fear, and with sincerity of heart,(B) just as you would obey Christ.(C) 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ,(D) doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people,(E) 8 because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do,(F) whether they are slave or free.
Exodus 21 is literally a set of rules for how to treat hebrew slaves. It is prescriptive. Leviticus 25 44-46 is instructions on how to acquire non hebrew slaves. It is prescriptive, not descriptive. Paul telling people "slaves obey your masters." Is prescriptive. When something is telling you what to do it is by definition prescriptive. When something is describing what was done it is descriptive. Like when the bible talks about the genocide of the canaanites and how the virgin girls were to be taken as slaves by gods command. That is a description of those events. No amount of lying is going to change facts. When you say "christians" you're comitting a no true Scotsman fallacy.
How did Christian slave owners justify slavery? By reading the Bible. Exodus 21 condones slavery. It's not descriptive, it gives rules (IOW, prescriptive) for who you can enslave, how much to pay/charge for slaves, and how you can beat them as long as they survive for a couple of days. So, I would ask why the dishonesty of trying to make the case that it was all because of what Paul supposedly said while completely ignoring the context supplied by the prescriptive rules laid forth in Exodus. I would ask, but it isn't necessary because that sort of inherent dishonesty is the basis for religious apologetics.
Many knew EXACTLY what they were doing. To play the ignorance card is reprehensible. If you are a true believer, you walk in love and conviction of heart, mind and spirit when you act in sin.
If A literal interpretation endorses slavery, then the problem starts with the book, not the interpreter. Please name one biblical passage stating explicitly that owning another human is morally wrong. Even the verse that some apologists use to claim that slavery is not endorsed, Exodus 21:16, says only not to steal someone. It is a matter of legal possession. The verse continues , “... even if the person is no longer in their possession.” The author seems to think that the readers will also see this as a property issue. If not, the “no longer in possession” part would be irrelevant. Exodus 21:16 is in a passage that explicitly condones slavery. Jesus upheld every jot and tittle of the Torah, which includes pro-human-ownership verses. The root of the problem is in the scriptures, not the interpretation .
Idk wtf she’s talking about social justice of the Old Testament. The Israelites lived by the laws of the Torah and Talmud, which included the book of Leviticus; a book that specifies how much money a slave is worth, how much time they may be enslaved, how to exploit the loopholes in that contract, and the standards of punishment meant for slaves. Social justice my ass. Paul wasn’t using metaphor, he was upholding Jewish law.
Quite obviously Almighty God fully approved of Slavery and never condemned it, neither did the Lord Christ or his Apostles, so why would faithful and conscientious Christians be so embarrassed? Almighty God can never do wrong or teach against His own Will. So here are some Bible verses seen in passing that people today discuss regarding slavery: "When Noah awoke from his wine and found out what his youngest son had done to him, he said, “Cursed be Canaan! The lowest of slaves will he be to his brothers.” He also said, “Praise be to the Lord, the God of Shem! May Canaan be the slave of Shem. May God extend Japheth’s territory; may Japheth live in the tents of Shem, and may Canaan be the slave of Japheth.”” (Genesis 9:24-27 NIV) "As the sun was setting, Abram fell into a deep sleep, and a thick and dreadful darkness came over him. Then the Lord said to him, “Know for certain that for four hundred years your descendants will be strangers in a country not their own and that they will be enslaved and mistreated there. But I will punish the nation they serve as slaves, and afterward they will come out with great possessions. You, however, will go to your ancestors in peace and be buried at a good old age. In the fourth generation your descendants will come back here, for the sin of the Amorites has not yet reached its full measure." (Genesis 15:12-16 NIV) "If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, "I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free." If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever." (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT) "When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment." (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT) "When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property." (Exodus 21:20-21 NASB) "However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way." (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT) "Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them. "They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the Lord in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the Lord’s people. Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."" (Numbers 31:7-18 NIV) "But at the same time [Joshua] made [the Gibeonites] slaves, to cut wood and carry water for the people of Israel and for the Lord's altar. To this day they have continued to do this work in the place where the Lord has chosen to be worshiped." (Joshua @ GNT) "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. Try to please them all the time, not just when they are watching you. As slaves of Christ, do the will of God with all your heart. (Ephesians 6:5-6 NLT) "Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord." (Colossians 3:22 NIV) "Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them." (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT) AMEN! "Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh." (1 Peter 2:18 NIV)
@@Kami-ny5jo "When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property." (Exodus 21:20-21)
@@Kami-ny5jo Wrong those aren't... You haven't read this part of your Bible clearly... They had different rules for the Jews, but those were the rules for all people who were slaves... Also... "you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way." (Leviticus 25:44-46) The Bible was a very tribal and immoral book.. Especially on the topic of slavery... It explicitly supports, permits, and advocates for slavery and says God commanded this.
" Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ; (Ephesians 6:5) And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him. " (Ephesians 6:9)
Ummm...no. "Slaves, obey your masters" is a command, not a descriptive statement. The amount of tap dancing around the truth inherent in just the first thirty seconds of this video could rival a Fred Astaire movie.
Meghan Workman English language is not conducive to translation of Ancient text number 1 n number 2. Books n texts were taken out and tampered with. Factz
Why did Susan Wise Bauer say that slave owners ignored the minor prophets in the bible to interpret that slavery was acceptable? There were many authors who wrote the many books of the bible and each had their individual viewpoint and opinion. That is why there are various views represented... and some clearly endorse slavery (see Lev. 25:44 for example) "Your slaves may come from the nations around you; and from them you may BUY slaves...and they will BECOME YOUR PROPERTY and can make them SLAVES FOR LIFE and pass them to your children when you die" They say that Moses wrote Leviticus... was he a minor prophet? Does Moses trump the minor prophets? No. They're all just middle eastern men from the bronze age who are expressing their personal opinions. So we should expect the bible to have varying opinions and that's what we find - not one cohesive book by the best author in the universe.
pardh1961 ....You just quoted the Laws and Royal decrees given to us by our Prophet Moses who first received them from YaHuWaH in Arabia. In the future this will be the case for all Gentile Nations,for they once Enslaved our Fathers and we were their property. In the future,their Children will become our SLAVES as well as our Property!.... Sweet poetic Justice!🕎
My parents have an answer for everything, if not known, "The Devil made them do it," or "God forgives sin," if you do or have done something to experience free will and life as a whole. They are so controlled by the church they have NO THOUGHT OF their own. It is really sad since I became awakened and started searching the truth.: -)I see so differently.
My parents see it the same way. And I also know the truth. It makes me angry they will spend their rest of their life in a sorry state. Of being brainwash
XxJohnny Gulag69xX sure about that? If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.’ If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT) here you go it’s a bit long but I didn’t want to take it out of context🤗 but I felt kinda generous so here are a few more: Buying slaves However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT) Selling your daughter When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT) Beating slaves When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB) But you’re right they are all Old Testament so her something from Jesus the man himself: Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT) Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT
Something this woman is ignoring. "11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression".
This is something I often wondered myself but concluded that they just allowed themselves to rationalize where there should have been faith. Nevertheless, it is one of the factors that contributed to the birth of the Blues when the slaves were given cheap and broken down musical instruments to sing about their miseries in the styles they brought from their lands mixed with the European style of music.
@@SolarJord didn't jesus tell slaves to obey their masters all the while never explicitly saying you shouldn't own another human being? Also it is supposed to be the same all knowing god so...
@@ddy7323 depends on which Bible , the og or the ones Europeans translated . Both have slavery in it just like humans love to go to war . Human nature is bloody , it’s just humans act stupid
one of many statements of Jesus contradict the "christian" assumption of slavery is justified: "what you did to the lowest of my brethren, you did to me." It's only possible that Jesus (who often used symbolic language), stated that we should accept superiors and their authority, which doesn't mean that they are justified to be cruel.
If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.’ If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT) here you go it’s a bit long but I didn’t want to take it out of context🤗 but I felt kinda generous so here are a few more: Buying slaves However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT) Selling your daughter When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT) Beating slaves When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB) But you’re right they are all Old Testament so her something from Jesus the man himself: Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT) Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT) Yeah the Bible is really so much against slavery
Duh they JUSTIFIED it. It's in old testament and new. NOTHING says slavery is wrong in the bible. They were christian. You can't just shove people off and say ooh they're not "real" christians. Take responsibility for what's in the damnable book and for what has been done to humanity in the name of the biblical deity!!!!!
To put another person in chains and take them from their homeland and make them serve your wishes is what is twisted and they sad part about it is slavery still exists the greed and hatred still exists as well there is plenty in this world for everyone but some think that they are entitled to it all that is were the problems arise if they could find a way to charge you for breathing they would greed is evil
Master didn't read this scripture: Revelation 13:10 “He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.”
And yet today we still have a form of slavery that nobody recognizes properly. We are all enslaved to this world by our very human needs and we are enslaved to those who provide jobs and food or other goods that we buy at the going rate which keeps going up and we keep needing more because what we buy is either consumed, broken or stolen by those who are valuing their freedom but abusing others. It's a pretty vicious and nonstop process that keeps us moving through various and assorted levels of slavery. God had given us all we really needed but we wanted more...so we can see that the more we want the more we must do those things that enable us to have what we want. A simple solution...do not want for anything.
@@JD-ks2nv great. So ill just become a monkey again, is that it? You are basically saying "stop wanting stuff and you won't get anything and you'll be happy with nothing". Isn't that exactly what the devil wanted?
I am questioning the next thing: How slave " owners" could be able to rape a slave is something very bad. But how they were able to let their own child, after they made a slave pregnant, be a slave too? I mean, it was their own child and they even didn't accept their own child?..!!!
Just like today they considered mixed black because they made up racism this white supremacist theory even though blacks built America African moors taught Europeans list goes on. I just see people as human light skin dark skin. If everyone saw that the world would be like Heaven no hate jealousy evil or greed
People take that book literally.. but ask to prove to you the existence of these characters and they can't direct you to them... this sorcery has put people on lock down fr...
Not one verse in the Bible advocates for ending the practice of owning another person. A possible exception can be found in the early chapters of Exodus where the Old Testament God intends to free his people from slavery in Egypt. This does not mean much, given that after being led out of Egypt the Jews were taught by God in great detail (Exodus 21) exactly how to keep Jewish slaves as indentured servants or chattel, depending on the circumstances. What is equally distressing to modern readers is that God gave the Jews explicit instructions in Leviticus 25:44-46 on the procedure for buying foreign slaves and keeping them and their children as chattel property for life. Also in the Torah, there is an example of God telling the Jews that they must keep the survivors of the Promised Land conquests as chattel slaves, especially the women (Deuteronomy 20:10-18, 21:10-11). A section in Isaiah 14:1-2 announces that the Jews are promised a future in which they will enslave all other people groups of the world. They “will possess the nations as male and female slaves in the Lord’s land”. The New Testament continues this trend of approved human subjugation with multiple stories by Jesus about slavery, including where he declares the relationship between God and humankind to be like the connection between earthly masters and slaves. He makes no criticism of slavery. He speaks as if the institution is normal and acceptable, even saying that God and human masters are justified in torturing disobedient slaves (Matthew 18:21-35). The writings of the apostles Paul and Peter include commanding slaves in five different books to obey their masters with reverence, fear, respect, sincerity, and love as if toward Christ, even when the slave owner is harsh. Slaves are to try and please their owners at all times, not just when being observed (Ephesians 6:5-6, Colossians 3:22, Titus 2:9-10, 1 Peter 2:18). The enslaved are directed to work even harder for Christian masters, since they are fellow believers. At the end of one of these instructive sections, Paul says: “Anyone who teaches something different is arrogant and lacks understanding….Their minds are corrupt, and they have turned their backs on the truth.” (1 Timothy 6:1-5a) Christians are “slaves of God”. (Romans 6:16-23) All of the biblical passages mentioned in the last paragraph offer sturdy guardrails to follow when interpreting proclamations of general spiritual freedom such as in Galatians: “There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” (Galatians 3:28 NIV) The message: Be spiritually free, but remain in the physical situation you were in previously. ------------------------------------------------------------ I wrote an in-depth article on this topic, "The Bible Clearly Supports Chattel Slavery Based On Race And Gender". Here's a summary: "This article provides a very detailed account of how many, many biblical passages approve of slavery, including the meaning of 'slave' versus 'servant'. It demonstrates the ways these texts affected the abolition movement and church history in the three main traditions (Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Protestant). A summary is provided of what slavery was like in the ancient Middle East and Roman Empire, based on direct quotes from historians that specialize in those fields. Enlightenment humanism is contrasted with traditional Christianity in its approach to abolition and human rights generally. There are more than eighty hyperlinks that provide a reference for the claims I make." I would love to hear what you think of it. Search for "Disagreements I Have With Christianity Andy Rhodes".
In a similar way that other slave owners justified it to either be there divine right, because a deity, multiple deities, spirits, ghosts, ghouls, zombies, mummies, vampires, and many other reasoning yeah.
Is she defending the Bible? Is she calling slave owners Christians in quotation marks? The New Testament isn't the only time slavery was mentioned in the Bible. Exodus 21 is an entire chapter on how you may enslave someone and what little rules you have to follow with how you treat them. The Bible is directly responsible for the Atlantic slave trade. Don't delude yourself into thinking otherwise.
Slavery was & always will be wrong. However the bible does have rules for owning slaves. See Leviticus 25: 44-46 (EVS) 44)As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. 45)You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. 46)You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly.
Slavery is something that had existed from the dawn of time, in every part of the world, whether there was religion (9/10 times there probably was), or no religion at all. Good research dictates that no one ever questioned the morality of slavery until Africans were being targeted specifically for slavery, and thus the abolition of slavery soon followed. The question up until that point was only, "Who is/what makes a person a slave?" Ancient texts regarding philosophy, morality, etc., that touch on slavery (e.g. Herodotus, Seneca, Cicero, Phaedrus, or Aesop, for example) mention slavery as an accepted part of life, but never as morally wrong. Up until the colonial times, a slave could be of any age, gender, or race. The difference in colonial slavery (which was not limited to North America for any who didn't know) was that it specifically targeted Africans because they were different appearance and seemed inferior. Slavery, I must point out, was nothing new for Africans either. Slavery existed within Africa just as it existed in every other land. In Rome, a prized slave was Greek, because Greeks were usually seen as pretty well educated or had gifts/talents, and often served masters who had them assist in political duties (note taking, representatives in small matters, etc). So, all that to say that it seems that no one (neither slave nor free) ever felt the need to find a justification for the institution of slavery; it was simply something that had always had been a part of life, and probably always would be. Slaves did not like being slaves, even if they had a very comfortable life (see Aesop or Phaedrus' fable of the Dog and the Wolf), but never questioned whether it was morally right or morally wrong.
+EuroTim Adventurer Let me also say this. Although Jesus never directly condemned slavery, his message indirectly opposed it: "Love your neighbor as yourself." If you would not wish to be a slave (unless by choice, which was not uncommon to happen for particular reasons), then you should not make your neighbor a slave. The world may not have been ready for this new, crazy idea, especially since Jesus was going to change the course of history. However, perhaps the discovery of the new world (North America) set the stage for a new revolutionary idea that would alter the course of history forever. Just a thought.
No facts... From wikipedia: Slavery was notably questioned in Socratic dialogues; the Stoics produced the first recorded condemnation of slavery.[2] donaldrobertson.name/2017/11/05/did-stoicism-condemn-slavery/ Also Robert G. Ingersoll was one of the big people behind abolitionism and he was an "atheist". There are many examples of bondage being banned in non-christian countries such as China, India, Japan, Ancient Rome, or in Athens. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_abolition_of_slavery_and_serfdom#Ancient_times
"Nothing that ever came from the European mind was meant to do anything but facilitate European domination of the world. Everything. Every idea, every so-called religion, was meant to dominate and to control." - Dr. John Henrik Clarke
@The Truth Well it depends , what slavery are you talking about?? the bible condones traditional slavery , something that isn't even close to the slavery of the 19th century and beyond
Christianity can't be justified because the scientific evidence refutes those fictional beliefs. However slavery can be justified not on race but rather as sentencing and punishment for crimes . You could call it lack of character. In the U.S.A. slavery is tolerated as prison labor and this exists to this day. It should be much more expanded for people convicted of crimes of dishonesty like frauds (cons,swindles),thefts,burglaries and those people should be enslaved until the debt (with interest) to the victim is paid off even at hard labor conditions. It the debt can't be paid off because it is too large the prisoner should be sentenced to hard labor for his/her entire lifetime. As it is this is not the case the victim doesn't get compensation only the state collects the profit.
Exodus 34:7 “Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.” King James Version (KJV)
The biblical god clearly endorsed slavery; he described where and how the Israelites can buy slaves, and he regulated how to beat slaves in the book of Exodus. This god also used slavery as a form of punishment in the book of Judges.
@@bibleburner8426 yes they really do. They go around preaching love and forgiveness but if you challenge their faith they will disown you in a blink of an eye.
Non-christian states that abolished slavery Early sixth century BC Polis of Athens The Athenian lawgiver Solon abolishes debt slavery and frees all Athenian citizens who had formerly been enslaved.[1][2] 326 BC Vexilloid of the Roman Empire.svg Roman Republic Lex Poetelia Papiria abolishes debt bondage. 3rd century BC Emblem of India.svg Maurya Empire Ashoka abolishes the slave trade in the Maurya Empire, covering the majority of India, which was under his rule.[3] 221-206 BC Qin dynasty (Chinese characters).svg Qin Dynasty Measures to eliminate the landowning aristocracy include the abolition of slavery and the establishment of a free peasantry who owed taxes and labor to the state. They also discouraged serfdom.[4] 9-12 AD Xin Dynasty Wang Mang, first and only emperor of the Xin Dynasty, usurped the Chinese throne and instituted a series of sweeping reforms, including the abolition of slavery and radical land reform from 9-12 A.D.[5][6] 1590 Japan Toyotomi Hideyoshi bans slavery except as punishment for criminals.[25]
Because the Bible never outright condemns slavery, in fact the Bible basically gives pointers how to be a slave owner. Therefore slavery isn’t wrong in the eyes of God, it’s not right either though as there are some verses that are in favor of the enslaved.
@@regularguy2807 If God saw slavery as right he would have never ordered Moses to free the slaves in Egypt. God does not favor slavery because he believes all men are created equal and deserve freedom.
Why did she put quotation marks around slave holders? What in the world is she implying? Either they held slaves or they didn't. She said Paul's statement, "Slaves obey your masters," is descriptive, not prescriptive. What in Hell is she talking about? Standing alone without explanation, the statement supports the institution of slavery. Denial is more than a river in Egypt.
I would not say that they became slaves because they were weak.I believe that the European and Arab world conspired against Africa until the continent was overwhelmed.It's one thing to be hated because of your beliefs(something you can hide)but quite another for your skin color..I can't pass judgement on people I never met but,I can say how disappointed I am in Blacks of today who are worshiping the same white Jesus and god that the slave traders used to keep their ancestors enslaved for centur
It is always about maintaining POWER and prosperity. They will justify reprehensible atrocities in order to maintain the social order. I am such an example of such in 2023.
@JUDALATION I wasn't talking about modern paraphrases. Read my message. I said the KJV, which is a more literal translation. It only occurs in the places I mention in the literal translation of the KJV. My statement stands.
The narratives of property and power are curtailed by the fact that the US absolutely could not have given up slavery when Napoleon was defeated by the European Coalition of Empires, who continued slavery with their allies the Ottoman's for 30+ years. Why give up power and property when it was what the Empires were using against those that came over here due to persecution? You have to have the power and the property in order to change the outcomes of the surrounding world. No Native American nation was fully opposed to slavery, just the chattel form of slavery. No African Nation or Tribe or Empire gave up their slaves. The Moors were selling slaves until the US treaties. Circa 1776-1790s.
I just want to know if people know what hypocrites are...you do know it means they weren't really Christian right? If they continued in their ways, you don't think God judged them? Don't let people block you from God, you will miss soooo much love. Seek God with your whole heart and you will find Him.
What about this scripture. He who quotes Eph 6:8, should also know 6:9. Keeping slaves wilfully uneducated and treating them bad is not justified: Eph 6:9 EasyEnglish Masters, be good to your slaves in the same way. Do not say things that will frighten them. Do not say that you will punish them for no good reason. Remember that both you and your slaves have the same Master in heaven. And everyone is important to him. He is never kinder to one person than he is to another person.
When the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land.
Desmond Tutu
Andrew Valere NOT TRUE AT ALL IF YOU KNOW HISTORY
BIGGEST LIE IN THE WORLD
WHITE PEOPLE ACT LIKE THEY WERE NEVER DOING ANYTHING OF CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY ON BLACKS INDIANS, ASIAN..LOL
Maimela Maponya It was quoted by Jomo Kenyatta the first kenyan president.
@@Facts-Over-Feelings wasn't the other black people that sold other black people for guns to the whites
"they COULD NOT see"... "they were so BLINDED". Naw, she's scapegoating man. the slavemaster knew EXACTLY what the hell he was doing. Chattel slavery was great business for the Caucasian. foh
No, she's not scapegoating. She's talking about christian slaveholders not all slaveholders. She's exactly right.
Oswald Bates That's basically what she was saying, they were"justifying" it using the Bible. There is no God! No Satan. Just evil people doing evil to gain power.
Angela Hall THE DISCUSSION HERE IS NOT ABOUT IF GOD EXISTS....SHE IS SIMPLY DISCUSSING THE MINDSET OF THE SO CALLED.."CHRISTIAN SLAVEHOLDER"...
M D agree but she added her opinion about the Christians not realizing what they are doing.
Linx Da Pro I THOUGHT SHE MEANT THEY WERE SPIRITUALL BLIND?
Power, greed and control.
but not personal against Africa
Yes!! Church is obsessed with wealth, real estate and authority.
Also, they bought those slaves through legal means.
Blame the Africans who sold those slaves.
@@markarmage3776 so, buyer good, seller bad🤔
@@markarmage3776 I blame both since it went BOTH ways.
B.s they knew exactly what they were doing
Were you there?
@@extremesoutherngal were you
Dnice Va.7. 5.7
My grandmother was there, along with my uncles and grandfather.
@@extremesoutherngal so was mine and everyone else's, but im definitely not going back and forth with you. 👋🏽
Dnice Va.7. 5.7
Then why do you keep replying.
BS! THEY KNEW EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE DOING!!!
You make a compelling argument
I agree that they were wrong. If you grew up being taught from a baby that it was ok or justified for whatever reason and there was never anything to refute you for that would you see it as ok? Not in the digital age but during that time. Slavery of all centuries was wrong and God will judge that.
If you look at the flip side are black children being raised to fear or hate white people? In Kansas I did not have tons of exposure to the black community but I did have good Christian parents who taught me to love all indifferent of color. Follow the bible and Him and you'll have your answer to the world's problems.
Ben w Nah we are not taught to fear or hate white people in all actuality we don’t even think about it. Believe it or not we don’t obsess over race.
The argument is not if they knew what they were doing, but rather how they justified it....Or how did they makes themselves feel better about what they were doing. How does my imaginary god allow me to enslave others?
Because they're evil, that's the ONLY reason.
AL Stephens stfu
AL Stephens They teach that in college and it should be elementary schools. And because you all used the Bible for your benefit God has a bigger plan for you all. So just wait for it. Unless you've repented..
@Owl Thrasher Speak Truth to Power Slavery bacame race based because of white christians, not all but the greedy hypocritical ones..
@Owl Thrasher Speak Truth to Power oh yeah, well you be a slave for life, see how you deal with that, dumbass apologist..
So get the fuck out of the USA AND EUROPE and go back home like always you people are just talk and no action
Because a Christian can simply preface any action they take with “In the name of God…” and it is suddenly justified.
😂😂😂😂
Catholics not christians my friend
And I thought that things like that were directly forbiden by God...hmmm something stinky Is Here
@@nemanjanikolic636 very
@@thepolitegamer1966 since you responded in minutes it wouldnt be a problem if you named verse or two that support slavery.
They was not blind... they knew exactly what they were doing. Evil. And you know it smh
True facts sis!
I swear they can call themselves Christian's but if their not practicing Christianity correctly and just manipulating it as they we know it then are they really Christian's, no god would not accept them into the golden gates of heaven
Don't let the words confuse you there was no justification
There was but ok
@@feorgenotgloyd7624 what was the justification?
@@aurora9252 Bible quotes 🤦♂️
Well, because all Abrahamic religions support it and condone it.
Ben shapiro has spoken
Jesus never supported slavery
Liar
When you start talking about Abraham you have to mention how the bible was not written for every nation of people in the world it was written to the Israelites not the gentiles, but the gentiles where the ones who used the bible to enslave the people of Israel and invade their land and steal their identity
So the transatlantic slave trade is not justified or righteous and they will reap what they have sown
Wait...🤔 So then what about the Bible and it talking about when and how to beat your slaves? Then mentioning that if you beat your slave and he doesn't die for a certain period of time then it's okay for you? 🤔
Gold Just Gold you should read the whole book in the Bible that was in then you’ll understand
@@daequan2565 I've read the whole book. It says you can own people as property for life and even bequeath them to your children.
Leviticus 25:44-46
@Jahmed Music That literally makes no sense.
@Jahmed Music Do you not know the difference between prisoner of war, noncombatant, and slave?
God did not typically allow prisoners of war. He always forced the Israelites to kill all of the warriors, usually even the women and children as well.
Leviticus talks about BUYING the slaves from other nations, not acquiring through war.
What you may be construing as prisoners of war are in the cases like numbers 31 where God told them to keep the virgin girls for themselves.
Those are not prisoners of war. POWs refer to combatants, those participating in the conflict. In all civilized war, it is illegal to keep noncombatants and treat them as anything else as they had commited no action against the nation.
Even combatants, who become prisoners of war are given back to their country after war in civilized nations. Of course the biblical god just loves complete annihilation, so that wasn't an option so yeah, they would have become slaves if he ever let them live.
For the noncombatants that were spared God's bloodlust, they definitely became slaves. It doesn't matter how nice they were treated, even though it's complete horseshit to think they were predominantly treated well, because owning people, treating them as property and forcing them to work for you is the very definition of slavery in the biblical times as well as today.
If the laws of Moses told the Israelites to treat women as inferior to men, the disfigured or crippled as less than the others, and Hebrews better than foreigners, it provided an IMMENSE amount of leeway and interpretation of how they are allowed to treat people.
No matter how you want to sugarcoat it in order to continue pretending, it is bullshit to think murdering hordes that willingly killed women, children and infants for no good reason would readily, let alone always, treat their slaves like family or even well.
XxJohnny Gulag69xX It doesn’t say anything about POW’s that’s a terrible argument and something you made up it says NOTHING about POW’s it just says you can buy slaves from the nations around you.
"Slaves, obey your masters" is advocating absolute pacifism from the slave (you can argue that this is also evil). Sounds like ppl take religious texts and use them as a means to their ends.
What of the religioun endorses it.
I believe it said, " Servants obey your masters." There is a difference between a servant and a slave. Slavery was big business and whites meant to make as much money as they could from it. Before 1861 Mississippi was either the first or third wealthiest state in the union because of the value of slaves.
@@linzierogers6227 *Servant = Slave*
paxmule slave = person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them HOWEVER servant = person employed in a house on domestic duties or as a personal attendant🤝 two very different things
It's doing much more than that. I commands them to be fearful, and to have sincere respect.
Social justice in the Old Testament? That book is one of the most immoral pieces of fiction ever written.
EX. 21:16."AND HE THAT STEALETH A MAN, AND SELLETH HIM, OR IF HE BE FOUND IN HIS HAND; HE SHALL SURELY BE PUT TO DEATH....DEUT. 24:7" IF A MAN BE FOUND STEALING ANY OF HIS BRETHREN OF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL; AND MAKETH MERCHANDISE OF HIM: THEN THAT THIEF SHALL DIE; AND THOU SHALT PUT EVIL AWAY FROM AMONG YOU....NO FORCED LABOR !!!
Mejor Toler PEOPLE DONT TRY TO SEE WHAT GOD IS SAYING..WHY HE SAID IT...OR THE PURPOSE FOR HIM SAYING IT...IF WE WOULD DO LEGITAMATE INVESTIGATION WE WOULD BE SURPRISED ...
Watch video "Slaves Treatment in Bible"
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@@logical-reasoning how could it possibly be slavery around the biblical times when my people were writing about the Last Days which is now?
Christianity is a delusional cult
Ephesians 6:5-8 Paul states, “Slaves, be obedient to your human masters with fear and trembling, in sincerity of heart, as to Christ”
Like how believers are blinded by there desires for their stories to be true rather than to face the truth.
There are historical artifacts that back up the Bible search it up 😊
@@magalydeleon557 No there isn't now stfu.
Anything can be justified with any religious book
What on earth is she talking about, saying the OT does not support slavery?! It is absolutely, unashamedly pro-slavery. It says very clearly the the Jews could own slaves, who are considered property. The NT doesn't do anything to rectify this.
She talks about how slave-owners couldn't see how they interpreted scripture in their own interests, yet that is what she is doing. She understands slavery is immoral but wants to hold onto her faith, so she dismisses the pro-slavery parts of the Bible in order to meet her objectives. It is totally hypocritical.
That's a pathetic excuse. Ephesians 6.5: "Slaves, obey your earthly masters, with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ." - What's descriptive about that? Both sentence structure and content make it very clear that this is an imposed rule, not a description of the situation.
And it has nothing in it about masters whip your slaves because God whips us.
@@newcreationstudios Yeah, that would at least be consistent.
The same way all people that do horrible things do it. They have “god on their side”. Makes it a lot easier to cause horrible suffering when you know in your heart of hearts that you’re doing the right thing.
How did Christian slaveowners justify slavery?
They read and applied Deuteronomy,Exodus,Leviticus and sayings of Paul .....
BTW JC didn’t ban slavery either
Have you read the entire bible? I bet not , I'd like to enlighten you about slavery
@@Sigueme1 THE BIBLE SUPPORTS IT GROW UP OUT OF YOUR FAIRYTALES
How did Muslims justify Slavery?
@@Sigueme1 I've read the whole thing and it's slavery is not better than American slavery. I've reads it a number of times and grown up in the south. It does nothing to unite the races, but its quite divisive. Please, honestly tell me it was good when Paul instructed a runaway slave to return to his master? Please don't mention that he asked for the slave to be sort of freed, because that guaranteed nothing and we don't know what happened when he went back. If bible slavery had been good, he wouldn't have run. The christian response should be acceptance of what the bible says without cheap excuses. God never apologized for all the monstrosities in that book so you probably shouldn't either. That book is no love story. It's just horrible mythology
@@Sigueme1
Obviously you haven't.
She is quite the spin doctor, in the OT it allows masters to beat slaves to the point of death, it says slaves are property of their masters and people who were not Israelite could own a slave and their descendants forever.
Fiction can be whatever you want it to be.
So true!!! Reading the Bible literally is dangerous
Better than the death book Quran
So... you can just decide thst the Bible means what ever you want it to mean even prescriptive passages? What about the ten commandments? Does thou shalt not kill mean go murder who ever you want? What parts are supposed to be read literally and what parts aren't? Who decides this?
If the all knowing, all powerful, all loving God of the Bible didn't want his people to practice slavery God could have easily commanded his people not to have slaves
they don’t listen
Exactly
No god don’t exist
Slaves in the Bible were more like endentured servants and they were a part of the family.
In the US people were treated like animals.
If Americans thought slavery was ok why the need for a slave Bible with 85% removed?. Especially the parts about paying for work done and equality?
@@Marah493 In the bible it only allowed fellow Jews to be indentured servants. People from other nations could be owned as property and handed down to the slaveholders children. How does it feel to defend the horrendous instructions in the bible? Lying for Jesus are you?
The passage from Paul is prescriptive, not descriptive. She's lying through her teeth.
Are you kidding me? Descriptive? Here is the full quote. It’s a freaking command.
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect(A) and fear, and with sincerity of heart,(B) just as you would obey Christ.(C) 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ,(D) doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people,(E) 8 because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do,(F) whether they are slave or free.
Exodus 21 is literally a set of rules for how to treat hebrew slaves. It is prescriptive. Leviticus 25 44-46 is instructions on how to acquire non hebrew slaves. It is prescriptive, not descriptive.
Paul telling people "slaves obey your masters." Is prescriptive. When something is telling you what to do it is by definition prescriptive.
When something is describing what was done it is descriptive. Like when the bible talks about the genocide of the canaanites and how the virgin girls were to be taken as slaves by gods command. That is a description of those events.
No amount of lying is going to change facts.
When you say "christians" you're comitting a no true Scotsman fallacy.
Job 9:24 The earth is given into the hand of the wicked: he covereth the faces of the judges thereof; if not, where, and who is he?
Or....or....they read Exodus 21. Social justice in the old testament? Laughable.
How did Christian slave owners justify slavery?
By reading the Bible.
Exodus 21 condones slavery. It's not descriptive, it gives rules (IOW, prescriptive) for who you can enslave, how much to pay/charge for slaves, and how you can beat them as long as they survive for a couple of days.
So, I would ask why the dishonesty of trying to make the case that it was all because of what Paul supposedly said while completely ignoring the context supplied by the prescriptive rules laid forth in Exodus.
I would ask, but it isn't necessary because that sort of inherent dishonesty is the basis for religious apologetics.
Many knew EXACTLY what they were doing. To play the ignorance card is reprehensible. If you are a true believer, you walk in love and conviction of heart, mind and spirit when you act in sin.
Bible in hand… Everything can be justified.
I hate Christainity so much. The Church and everyone believed that Black was not humans.
If A literal interpretation endorses slavery, then the problem starts with the book, not the interpreter. Please name one biblical passage stating explicitly that owning another human is morally wrong. Even the verse that some apologists use to claim that slavery is not endorsed, Exodus 21:16, says only not to steal someone. It is a matter of legal possession. The verse continues , “... even if the person is no longer in their possession.” The author seems to think that the readers will also see this as a property issue. If not, the “no longer in possession” part would be irrelevant.
Exodus 21:16 is in a passage that explicitly condones slavery. Jesus upheld every jot and tittle of the Torah, which includes pro-human-ownership verses.
The root of the problem is in the scriptures, not the interpretation .
So a book has to justified of dictating over a people and calling it legal possession like that made it better?
shirlworld Watson I don’t understand your question.
Idk wtf she’s talking about social justice of the Old Testament. The Israelites lived by the laws of the Torah and Talmud, which included the book of Leviticus; a book that specifies how much money a slave is worth, how much time they may be enslaved, how to exploit the loopholes in that contract, and the standards of punishment meant for slaves. Social justice my ass. Paul wasn’t using metaphor, he was upholding Jewish law.
Quite obviously Almighty God fully approved of Slavery and never condemned it, neither did the Lord Christ or his Apostles, so why would faithful and conscientious Christians be so embarrassed?
Almighty God can never do wrong or teach against His own Will.
So here are some Bible verses seen in passing that people today discuss regarding slavery:
"When Noah awoke from his wine and found out what his youngest son had done to him, he said, “Cursed be Canaan! The lowest of slaves will he be to his brothers.”
He also said, “Praise be to the Lord, the God of Shem! May Canaan be the slave of Shem. May God extend Japheth’s territory; may Japheth live in the tents of Shem, and may Canaan be the slave of Japheth.”” (Genesis 9:24-27 NIV)
"As the sun was setting, Abram fell into a deep sleep, and a thick and dreadful darkness came over him. Then the Lord said to him, “Know for certain that for four hundred years your descendants will be strangers in a country not their own and that they will be enslaved and mistreated there.
But I will punish the nation they serve as slaves, and afterward they will come out with great possessions. You, however, will go to your ancestors in peace and be buried at a good old age. In the fourth generation your descendants will come back here, for the sin of the Amorites has not yet reached its full measure." (Genesis 15:12-16 NIV)
"If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year.
But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master.
But the slave may plainly declare, "I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free." If he does this, his master must present him before God.
Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever." (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)
"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.
But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter.
If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife.
If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment." (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
"When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished.
If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property." (Exodus 21:20-21 NASB)
"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you.
You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land.
You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance.
You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way." (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
"Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them. "They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the Lord in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the Lord’s people. Now kill all the boys.
And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."" (Numbers 31:7-18 NIV)
"But at the same time [Joshua] made [the Gibeonites] slaves, to cut wood and carry water for the people of Israel and for the Lord's altar. To this day they have continued to do this work in the place where the Lord has chosen to be worshiped." (Joshua @ GNT)
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. Try to please them all the time, not just when they are watching you. As slaves of Christ, do the will of God with all your heart. (Ephesians 6:5-6 NLT)
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord." (Colossians 3:22 NIV)
"Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them." (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)
AMEN!
"Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh." (1 Peter 2:18 NIV)
The reason why they didn't know is because they can do no good and they know no evil like it is written. I appreciate this video
Bible says to treat your slaves like brothers but apparently the slave masters didn't hold up their end of the bargain
Bible says you can beat your slaves and use them like property
@@Hieiman really? interesting, can you please show me some biblical evidence? Hope you don't take this comment as an insult
@@Kami-ny5jo "When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property." (Exodus 21:20-21)
@@Hieiman yes but you have to remeber that those were the laws of moses before. But after jesus we now have the holy spirit.
@@Kami-ny5jo Wrong those aren't... You haven't read this part of your Bible clearly... They had different rules for the Jews, but those were the rules for all people who were slaves... Also... "you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way." (Leviticus 25:44-46)
The Bible was a very tribal and immoral book.. Especially on the topic of slavery... It explicitly supports, permits, and advocates for slavery and says God commanded this.
" Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;
(Ephesians 6:5)
And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him. "
(Ephesians 6:9)
Ummm...no. "Slaves, obey your masters" is a command, not a descriptive statement. The amount of tap dancing around the truth inherent in just the first thirty seconds of this video could rival a Fred Astaire movie.
Meghan Workman English language is not conducive to translation of Ancient text number 1 n number 2. Books n texts were taken out and tampered with. Factz
And they had incest in the Bible
Why did Susan Wise Bauer say that slave owners ignored the minor prophets in the bible to interpret that slavery was acceptable? There were many authors who wrote the many books of the bible and each had their individual viewpoint and opinion. That is why there are various views represented... and some clearly endorse slavery (see Lev. 25:44 for example) "Your slaves may come from the nations around you; and from them you may BUY slaves...and they will BECOME YOUR PROPERTY and can make them SLAVES FOR LIFE and pass them to your children when you die"
They say that Moses wrote Leviticus... was he a minor prophet? Does Moses trump the minor prophets? No. They're all just middle eastern men from the bronze age who are expressing their personal opinions. So we should expect the bible to have varying opinions and that's what we find - not one cohesive book by the best author in the universe.
pardh1961 ....You just quoted the Laws and Royal decrees given to us by our Prophet Moses who first received them from YaHuWaH in Arabia. In the future this will be the case for all Gentile Nations,for they once Enslaved our Fathers and we were their property. In the future,their Children will become our SLAVES as well as our Property!.... Sweet poetic Justice!🕎
"Interpretation." Is exactly what any religious text is based.
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It's not even like that.
She's not justifying anything. Just saying how they thought. We all know slavery was bad
This needs to be played in every black church.
Blacks didn’t become Christians willingly.
My parents have an answer for everything, if not known, "The Devil made them do it," or "God forgives sin," if you do or have done something to experience free will and life as a whole. They are so controlled by the church they have NO THOUGHT OF their own. It is really sad since I became awakened and started searching the truth.: -)I see so differently.
My parents see it the same way. And I also know the truth.
It makes me angry they will spend their rest of their life in a sorry state. Of being brainwash
How exactly have christians misenterpreted if the bible supports it ? And why does the bible support it ?
That's an easy question to answer. People who wanted to live immorally and keep their power wrote the books.
XxJohnny Gulag69xX It didn’t say shit about POW’s. POW’s were killed expect for the virgin girls stop making shit up.
XxJohnny Gulag69xX You are so full of shit
Read Exodus 21 and then explain why Slavery wasn't endorsed in the Bible.
XxJohnny Gulag69xX sure about that?
If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.’ If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)
here you go it’s a bit long but I didn’t want to take it out of context🤗 but I felt kinda generous so here are a few more:
Buying slaves
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
Selling your daughter
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
Beating slaves
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
But you’re right they are all Old Testament so her something from Jesus the man himself:
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT
Something this woman is ignoring.
"11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression".
This is something I often wondered myself but concluded that they just allowed themselves to rationalize where there should have been faith.
Nevertheless, it is one of the factors that contributed to the birth of the Blues when the slaves were given cheap and broken down musical instruments to sing about their miseries in the styles they brought from their lands mixed with the European style of music.
*How did Christian slave owners justify slavery?*
Easily, by following the rules on slavery that God set out in the Old Testament.
Slavery is NOT a sin; God put the Jews in slavery for 2400 years total; God said, "Treat your slaves right".
Thats the old days. He didnt put them in slavery. The egyptians did
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But the old testament endorsed and had rules for slavery :(
Key word “Old testament”
@@SolarJord didn't jesus tell slaves to obey their masters all the while never explicitly saying you shouldn't own another human being? Also it is supposed to be the same all knowing god so...
@@ddy7323 but who were the translators 👀 the Bible u read is from the medieval times
@@jaysantana3078 at this point why give any credit to the bible then ?
@@ddy7323 depends on which Bible , the og or the ones Europeans translated . Both have slavery in it just like humans love to go to war . Human nature is bloody , it’s just humans act stupid
Wait who made slaves in the first place
one of many statements of Jesus contradict the "christian" assumption of slavery is justified: "what you did to the lowest of my brethren, you did to me." It's only possible that Jesus (who often used symbolic language), stated that we should accept superiors and their authority, which doesn't mean that they are justified to be cruel.
No. Wrong. They were demons and devils.
Our ppl beeen in so much pain that we’ll believe in anything for peace . If Jesus had a plantation we still love em smh
Christianity is a farce
If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.’ If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)
here you go it’s a bit long but I didn’t want to take it out of context🤗 but I felt kinda generous so here are a few more:
Buying slaves
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
Selling your daughter
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
Beating slaves
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
But you’re right they are all Old Testament so her something from Jesus the man himself:
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)
Yeah the Bible is really so much against slavery
No excuses! Slaverl meant free money!
Duh they JUSTIFIED it. It's in old testament and new. NOTHING says slavery is wrong in the bible. They were christian. You can't just shove people off and say ooh they're not "real" christians. Take responsibility for what's in the damnable book and for what has been done to humanity in the name of the biblical deity!!!!!
To put another person in chains and take them from their homeland and make them serve your wishes is what is twisted and they sad part about it is slavery still exists the greed and hatred still exists as well there is plenty in this world for everyone but some think that they are entitled to it all that is were the problems arise if they could find a way to charge you for breathing they would greed is evil
Slavery was allowed in the old testament as well...
Master didn't read this scripture:
Revelation 13:10
“He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.”
Many still ignore scriptures to justify their racism.
Lol at Old Testament social justice
Making excuses...They weren't blind....they knew exactly what they were doing...using religion and parts of the bible to suite their evil desires
And yet today we still have a form of slavery that nobody recognizes properly. We are all enslaved to this world by our very human needs and we are enslaved to those who provide jobs and food or other goods that we buy at the going rate which keeps going up and we keep needing more because what we buy is either consumed, broken or stolen by those who are valuing their freedom but abusing others.
It's a pretty vicious and nonstop process that keeps us moving through various and assorted levels of slavery. God had given us all we really needed but we wanted more...so we can see that the more we want the more we must do those things that enable us to have what we want.
A simple solution...do not want for anything.
The only way out is wanting less, doing away with the need to feel or look wealthy
@@JD-ks2nv great.
So ill just become a monkey again, is that it?
You are basically saying "stop wanting stuff and you won't get anything and you'll be happy with nothing".
Isn't that exactly what the devil wanted?
I am questioning the next thing: How slave " owners" could be able to rape a slave is something very bad. But how they were able to let their own child, after they made a slave pregnant, be a slave too? I mean, it was their own child and they even didn't accept their own child?..!!!
Just like today they considered mixed black because they made up racism this white supremacist theory even though blacks built America African moors taught Europeans list goes on. I just see people as human light skin dark skin. If everyone saw that the world would be like Heaven no hate jealousy evil or greed
Lien Bijs Job 9:24 The earth is given into the hand of the wicked: he covereth the faces of the judges thereof; if not, where, and who is he?
@@yungremTV I don't think any bible text can explain this to me.
John 8:32
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.👏👏
they were DEVILS...why try to make all these reasons..
As a Man Thinketh in his heart so is he..
They were beast, men that are not upright.
thank you! this video helped me answer one of my test question on History!
O they knew girl they just conveniently dismissed it
Anyone can cherry-pick the Bible. It basically supports anything
the bible deff allowed slavery
How come this is never asked of the numerous Jewish slave owners ?
first mistake: taking ideas from a fictional and extremely outdated book.
I can prove every single sentence you wrote false, please let me know if you want to know how.
People take that book literally.. but ask to prove to you the existence of these characters and they can't direct you to them... this sorcery has put people on lock down fr...
Not one verse in the Bible advocates for ending the practice of owning another person. A possible exception can be found in the early chapters of Exodus where the Old Testament God intends to free his people from slavery in Egypt. This does not mean much, given that after being led out of Egypt the Jews were taught by God in great detail (Exodus 21) exactly how to keep Jewish slaves as indentured servants or chattel, depending on the circumstances. What is equally distressing to modern readers is that God gave the Jews explicit instructions in Leviticus 25:44-46 on the procedure for buying foreign slaves and keeping them and their children as chattel property for life. Also in the Torah, there is an example of God telling the Jews that they must keep the survivors of the Promised Land conquests as chattel slaves, especially the women (Deuteronomy 20:10-18, 21:10-11). A section in Isaiah 14:1-2 announces that the Jews are promised a future in which they will enslave all other people groups of the world. They “will possess the nations as male and female slaves in the Lord’s land”. The New Testament continues this trend of approved human subjugation with multiple stories by Jesus about slavery, including where he declares the relationship between God and humankind to be like the connection between earthly masters and slaves. He makes no criticism of slavery. He speaks as if the institution is normal and acceptable, even saying that God and human masters are justified in torturing disobedient slaves (Matthew 18:21-35). The writings of the apostles Paul and Peter include commanding slaves in five different books to obey their masters with reverence, fear, respect, sincerity, and love as if toward Christ, even when the slave owner is harsh. Slaves are to try and please their owners at all times, not just when being observed (Ephesians 6:5-6, Colossians 3:22, Titus 2:9-10, 1 Peter 2:18). The enslaved are directed to work even harder for Christian masters, since they are fellow believers. At the end of one of these instructive sections, Paul says: “Anyone who teaches something different is arrogant and lacks understanding….Their minds are corrupt, and they have turned their backs on the truth.” (1 Timothy 6:1-5a) Christians are “slaves of God”. (Romans 6:16-23)
All of the biblical passages mentioned in the last paragraph offer sturdy guardrails to follow when interpreting proclamations of general spiritual freedom such as in Galatians:
“There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” (Galatians 3:28 NIV)
The message: Be spiritually free, but remain in the physical situation you were in previously.
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I wrote an in-depth article on this topic, "The Bible Clearly Supports Chattel Slavery Based On Race And Gender".
Here's a summary:
"This article provides a very detailed account of how many, many biblical passages approve of slavery, including the meaning of 'slave' versus 'servant'. It demonstrates the ways these texts affected the abolition movement and church history in the three main traditions (Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Protestant). A summary is provided of what slavery was like in the ancient Middle East and Roman Empire, based on direct quotes from historians that specialize in those fields. Enlightenment humanism is contrasted with traditional Christianity in its approach to abolition and human rights generally. There are more than eighty hyperlinks that provide a reference for the claims I make."
I would love to hear what you think of it. Search for "Disagreements I Have With Christianity Andy Rhodes".
Exodus 21 pretty much tells you how to get and care (lol) for your slaves. Is that god's word or not?
In a similar way that other slave owners justified it to either be there divine right, because a deity, multiple deities, spirits, ghosts, ghouls, zombies, mummies, vampires, and many other reasoning yeah.
Is she defending the Bible? Is she calling slave owners Christians in quotation marks?
The New Testament isn't the only time slavery was mentioned in the Bible.
Exodus 21 is an entire chapter on how you may enslave someone and what little rules you have to follow with how you treat them.
The Bible is directly responsible for the Atlantic slave trade. Don't delude yourself into thinking otherwise.
Slavery was & always will be wrong. However the bible does have rules for owning slaves. See Leviticus 25: 44-46 (EVS) 44)As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. 45)You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. 46)You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly.
So in other words, God is too stupid to know that owning a human being is immoral.
Before throwing "stupid " around you should first check what the bible says about "servitude" now commonly known as slavery
Slavery is something that had existed from the dawn of time, in every part of the world, whether there was religion (9/10 times there probably was), or no religion at all. Good research dictates that no one ever questioned the morality of slavery until Africans were being targeted specifically for slavery, and thus the abolition of slavery soon followed. The question up until that point was only, "Who is/what makes a person a slave?" Ancient texts regarding philosophy, morality, etc., that touch on slavery (e.g. Herodotus, Seneca, Cicero, Phaedrus, or Aesop, for example) mention slavery as an accepted part of life, but never as morally wrong. Up until the colonial times, a slave could be of any age, gender, or race. The difference in colonial slavery (which was not limited to North America for any who didn't know) was that it specifically targeted Africans because they were different appearance and seemed inferior. Slavery, I must point out, was nothing new for Africans either. Slavery existed within Africa just as it existed in every other land. In Rome, a prized slave was Greek, because Greeks were usually seen as pretty well educated or had gifts/talents, and often served masters who had them assist in political duties (note taking, representatives in small matters, etc). So, all that to say that it seems that no one (neither slave nor free) ever felt the need to find a justification for the institution of slavery; it was simply something that had always had been a part of life, and probably always would be. Slaves did not like being slaves, even if they had a very comfortable life (see Aesop or Phaedrus' fable of the Dog and the Wolf), but never questioned whether it was morally right or morally wrong.
+EuroTim Adventurer Let me also say this. Although Jesus never directly condemned slavery, his message indirectly opposed it: "Love your neighbor as yourself." If you would not wish to be a slave (unless by choice, which was not uncommon to happen for particular reasons), then you should not make your neighbor a slave. The world may not have been ready for this new, crazy idea, especially since Jesus was going to change the course of history. However, perhaps the discovery of the new world (North America) set the stage for a new revolutionary idea that would alter the course of history forever. Just a thought.
No facts...
From wikipedia:
Slavery was notably questioned in Socratic dialogues; the Stoics produced the first recorded condemnation of slavery.[2]
donaldrobertson.name/2017/11/05/did-stoicism-condemn-slavery/
Also Robert G. Ingersoll was one of the big people behind abolitionism and he was an "atheist".
There are many examples of bondage being banned in non-christian countries such as China, India, Japan, Ancient Rome, or in Athens.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_abolition_of_slavery_and_serfdom#Ancient_times
So this proves the bible wrong
"Nothing that ever came from the European mind was meant to do anything but facilitate European domination of the world. Everything. Every idea, every so-called religion, was meant to dominate and to control."
- Dr. John Henrik Clarke
They justified slavery by simply pointing out to Exodus 21:20
@The Truth Well it depends , what slavery are you talking about?? the bible condones traditional slavery , something that isn't even close to the slavery of the 19th century and beyond
Christianity can't be justified because the scientific evidence refutes those fictional beliefs.
However slavery can be justified not on race but rather as sentencing and punishment for crimes .
You could call it lack of character.
In the U.S.A. slavery is tolerated as prison labor and this exists to this day.
It should be much more expanded for people convicted of crimes of dishonesty like frauds (cons,swindles),thefts,burglaries and those people should be enslaved until the debt (with interest) to the victim is paid off even at hard labor conditions. It the debt can't be paid off because it is too large the prisoner should be sentenced to hard labor for his/her entire lifetime.
As it is this is not the case the victim doesn't get compensation only the state collects the profit.
Exodus 34:7
“Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.”
King James Version (KJV)
The biblical god clearly endorsed slavery; he described where and how the Israelites can buy slaves, and he regulated how to beat slaves in the book of Exodus. This god also used slavery as a form of punishment in the book of Judges.
Exactly crazy. What's worse is that christians defend this behavior
@@elohiymkingdom9453 They defend it and make attempts to impose it on others. It's criminal.
@@bibleburner8426 yes they really do. They go around preaching love and forgiveness but if you challenge their faith they will disown you in a blink of an eye.
I call bullshit.
Non-christian states that abolished slavery
Early sixth century BC Polis of Athens The Athenian lawgiver Solon abolishes debt slavery and frees all Athenian citizens who had formerly been enslaved.[1][2]
326 BC Vexilloid of the Roman Empire.svg Roman Republic Lex Poetelia Papiria abolishes debt bondage.
3rd century BC Emblem of India.svg Maurya Empire Ashoka abolishes the slave trade in the Maurya Empire, covering the majority of India, which was under his rule.[3]
221-206 BC Qin dynasty (Chinese characters).svg Qin Dynasty Measures to eliminate the landowning aristocracy include the abolition of slavery and the establishment of a free peasantry who owed taxes and labor to the state. They also discouraged serfdom.[4]
9-12 AD Xin Dynasty Wang Mang, first and only emperor of the Xin Dynasty, usurped the Chinese throne and instituted a series of sweeping reforms, including the abolition of slavery and radical land reform from 9-12 A.D.[5][6]
1590 Japan Toyotomi Hideyoshi bans slavery except as punishment for criminals.[25]
they were full of deceit
Because the Bible never outright condemns slavery, in fact the Bible basically gives pointers how to be a slave owner. Therefore slavery isn’t wrong in the eyes of God, it’s not right either though as there are some verses that are in favor of the enslaved.
What verses are in favor of the enslaved, there are rules for how to treat a slave but God still sees slavery as right.
@@regularguy2807 If God saw slavery as right he would have never ordered Moses to free the slaves in Egypt. God does not favor slavery because he believes all men are created equal and deserve freedom.
Why did she put quotation marks around slave holders? What in the world is she implying? Either they held slaves or they didn't. She said Paul's statement, "Slaves obey your masters," is descriptive, not prescriptive. What in Hell is she talking about? Standing alone without explanation, the statement supports the institution of slavery. Denial is more than a river in Egypt.
I would not say that they became slaves because they were weak.I believe that the European and Arab world conspired against Africa until the continent was overwhelmed.It's one thing to be hated because of your beliefs(something you can hide)but quite another for your skin color..I can't pass judgement on people I never met but,I can say how disappointed I am in Blacks of today who are worshiping the same white Jesus and god that the slave traders used to keep their ancestors enslaved for centur
It is always about maintaining POWER and prosperity. They will justify reprehensible atrocities in order to maintain the social order. I am such an example of such in 2023.
@JUDALATION I wasn't talking about modern paraphrases. Read my message. I said the KJV, which is a more literal translation. It only occurs in the places I mention in the literal translation of the KJV. My statement stands.
The narratives of property and power are curtailed by the fact that the US absolutely could not have given up slavery when Napoleon was defeated by the European Coalition of Empires, who continued slavery with their allies the Ottoman's for 30+ years. Why give up power and property when it was what the Empires were using against those that came over here due to persecution?
You have to have the power and the property in order to change the outcomes of the surrounding world.
No Native American nation was fully opposed to slavery, just the chattel form of slavery.
No African Nation or Tribe or Empire gave up their slaves. The Moors were selling slaves until the US treaties. Circa 1776-1790s.
Christianity is just an excuse to sin, since a simple apology to someone who doesn't have anything to do with the situation makes it all better.
This is bs. Lets not making excuses for slave owners
I just want to know if people know what hypocrites are...you do know it means they weren't really Christian right? If they continued in their ways, you don't think God judged them? Don't let people block you from God, you will miss soooo much love. Seek God with your whole heart and you will find Him.
Look at a map of the slave states and then look at a map of the bible belt.... they playing us
It's so sad that the Bible is more about pleasing your slave masters than about how to please God.. So discouraging..
What about this scripture. He who quotes Eph 6:8, should also know 6:9. Keeping slaves wilfully uneducated and treating them bad is not justified:
Eph 6:9 EasyEnglish Masters, be good to your slaves in the same way. Do not say things that will frighten them. Do not say that you will punish them for no good reason. Remember that both you and your slaves have the same Master in heaven. And everyone is important to him. He is never kinder to one person than he is to another person.
Really? They could not see it? I wonder could they see what Nat Turner did?