yeah. How happy would any of these other ethnicities feel if millions of English or other European groups were coming into their countries against their wills. People will say "that's colonization in fact". Yes, so Europe and North America is currently being colonized.
Why is it wrong for European ethnic and national groups to want what successful East Asian countries have? Is it wrong to want to live in a peaceful mostly homogenous country? I reject the very tenant that diversity is a strength. Humans are a tribal species. We are clearly evolved to be comfortable amongst similar populations. There's nothing wrong with this, by the way. Separate populations creates more diversity than the sludge of the progressive city. If what I'm describing is bigoted then the countries or Japan, South Korea and Taiwan are proof "bigotry" works. I don't believe wanting safety and happiness and comfort is bigoted
Because the West's values are not collectivists as the East. For eastern countries the group is paramount, in the West the individual is paramount. That is why it is natural to us to enact a landscape of free competition. We dominate commerce, military and technology because of that. Silicon Valley is a melting pot of all the talent in the world, and it does not look homogeneous
@@Frogboxer Yes, that is what they mean. When people say Europe for Europeans, then these people say Africa for Africans, Australia for Aborigines and Americas for Natives. The idea is that since an African or Arab can never be an European, thus an European can never be an Australian or American.
Absolutely ridiculous to have this conversation. English is an ethnicity. Scottish is an ethnicity. Welsh is an ethnicity. Irish is an ethnicity. You bring them together, you get the UK, a multicultural society based on different peoples inhabitanting a geographical area coming together as one country. British is the culture of them all together. They can still separated culturally, but some guy from Uganda can't come along and pretend like he's apart of any of those ethnic groups because he isn't and won't ever be. If you move to Japan, and you have kids, they aren't now magically Japanese. Like wtf is he on about?
Lol the celtic people from Ireland were spainish and Portuguese all same tribe in Britain as celtic people travelled across Europe settled in Spain Portugal France Germany and Britain and Ireland different tribes as there is in all continents and countries there's different tribes in Asia Africa Europe Australia new Zealand usa so on different tribes of white people same different tribes of black people Asian people with different cultures might look similar but different languages different cultures and beliefs
If you move to Japan and have kids that are Japanese, of course they are Japanese. What will their passport say they are? Every legal document they own? Would you not call a Japanese citizen born and raised in Japan, regardless of race, a Japanese person?
@@FreedomAintFree-ol6fythe Japanese wouldn't. They can be a Japanese citizen perhaps but they're not ethnically Japanese. Why is this hard? My Anglo Saxon parents gave birth to me in Germany. I'm not ethnically German. If they moved to Nigeria and I'd been born there I wouldn't be ethnically Nigerian. It's genetic not a feeling or a piece of paper. What are DNA tests for.
Rudyard Kipling was not Indian, and JRR Tolkien was not South African. Nobody objects to these statements. Why do we suddenly get squeamish if we say it about Axel Rudakubana or any other non Englishman who happened to be born here?
Interesting about Tolkien. Born in South Africa, but identified himself as English. Yet, his ancestors actually came from Germany and had only been in England for a few generations. Tolkien is a German surname, not an English one. So was he German because of his ancestry, or was he English because of his culture?
Having said what I've said below, I admire the Japanese way. If you're a gaijin (foreigner), you can never ascend to certain positions in public life. You can be very much loved, and respected, but certain things are for Japanese only. Maybe we could, or should, do the same.
I was seeing a girl a few years ago and she told me she was part Thai. I looked at her and asked what she meant. She explained her grandmother was born in Thailand as the child of a British couple out their living and working for the empire in someway. I explained this to her that doesn't make her Thai. Her entire family history is British. I felt bad about it because she had been telling people this interesting thing about herself for years and nobody had ever asked her about it. I burst her bubble.
The fact that having an ethnicity which can't be changed as being new to you is a DISASTER. If people have been this mislead it's going to hard to crawl back from that.
This is the reason America has been uniquely successful in the assimilation of immigrant groups.... In virtually every other country, national and ethnic identity are the same thing, whereas Americans have a split national and ethnic identity... It allows essentially anyone to maintain their ethnic identity while adopting a new national identity within a generation or two. This is why Americanization (which is what globalization really is) ONLY works in America. When Europe tries to do it, it's a disaster. Ethnicity isn't Coca-Cola or blue jeans.
@@Avtomat4774 In my case, my ethnic identity has pretty much disappeared. My regional identity as a New Englander supersedes any of my distant European ancestries. I have ancestors from all over Europe, but ethnically, I guess I’d say I’m just a white American. Calling myself Danish or Dutch or German doesn’t make sense to me.
@@kaifreyleue5961 Absolutely, but when you're speaking to fellow Americans, I'd bet you still note your ethnic roots. (Outside the country, that disappears, and we all just say we're Americans) My father was English, so it doesn't really apply, but my mother's family has been in Maine for generations; and they still say "we're Welsh and French Canadian".
@ I don’t normally disclose my European ancestry unless asked - and typically only because my surname is somewhat unusual and sometimes people are curious as to where it came from. Still, I don’t say that I am Danish, but that my great-grandfather was Danish. I am not Danish. I am an American and nothing else. This mentality is kind of a rarity for Americans, but I wish it were more common because I think we should all think of ourselves as Americans first, not our distant ancestries.
@@Avtomat4774 Yeah it's strange, i'm english with irish and dutch roots but i'd never say i'm irish or dutch ethnically. I've only known english culture an my dads side has deep roots in these islands since before the unification of scotland and england so those other bits are little more than a footnote With america though, i'm sure the tradition of using ancestral tribes was used quite often with the first settlers an just got passed down. The tribe you belonged to would effect how people of other tribes treated you, the irish and english descendants surely had a grudge against each other way back then
If the English, Welsh, Scots and Irish know we are different ethnicities despite living side by side for centuries why do foreigners think they can come here and appropriate any one of the four on a wim? British used to mean you were 1 of the 4, now it means nothing other than your a citizen of Great Britain and you get a participation certificate
@@CTIDIsn't he a hat of the small variety? I know a very English guy, how he dresses and speaks and the mannerisms.. but he is ethnically Greek, I doubt he dwells on it and I don't think the host has either.
The education system uses English and British interchangeably, and continuously plays down English identity and history, while promoting the entirely false narrative that England has always been a nation of immigrants. About the only place where most normies encounter the concept of Englishness as an ethnicity is when they fill in a census form every ten years.
I would argue it is not the "liberalism" that caused this problem but the socialism. The liberalist (like Mises) have no needs or will to change society, destroy pre-existing cultures, etc. Their argument is about respecting private property and individual freedoms in a reciprocal environment. Socialists don't want a reciprocal environment and don't respect private property and individual freedoms. The question of "adopting" someone in the tribe is nothing new: it is a marriage between you and the tribe, consensual. You adopt the customs of the tribe, the tribe adopt you. The first thing is language: if they speak the language of the tribe, they could be adopted by the tribe; but if you don't speak it, the natural process of separation continue to work.
You hear people refer to themselves as Asian/African British all the time. But to call yourself ethnically English is wrong if you are... make it make sense.
Carl was really, really strong here. I don't follow him actively since he stopped uploading on the Sargon channel, but this was a great performance, perhaps I should pay more attention to him again
What are you talking about. His ethnicity definition made very little sense. First he says black child adopted by English parents can't be English because you can't change ethnicity, it's something you're born with. Then he says ethnicity is culture, traditions and how you feel in the heart. Why can't you adopt these? Then he says Jewish is ethnicity because you can identify it with a DNA test. Then very small percentage of his DNA is English, but he self identifies as English lol
@@rasputintouring9014 There is literally no contradictions in his statements. If you want, i can provide a short answer that doesn't require a 15 minute discussion in a video. Ethnic identity is based in an ancestral line that can be traced back to the ethnogenesis of an ethnic group. There is a common language and culture that's developed to provide points of connection between members of that ethnic group. So yes, an adopted black child will not be English, since they lack the necessary ancestry to qualify. When he talks about culture and how you feel, he describes the personal affiliation with the ethnic group, which is part of ethnic identity (but insufficient by itself). When he says that Jewish is an ethnicity because you can identify it with a DNA test, he provides an objective way to test for the necessary requirement for ethnicity. His small percentage of English DNA is also consistent with this view, because there is an unbroken line of English ancestry, so he qualifies for all criteria.
My two Scots grandparents moved to England and it never would have occurred to them to refer to themselves as English. (One of them was from the Lothians though, so Northumbrian!). First time I've ever heard Mr. B acknowledge (significant) Welsh heritage. He should be proud of it! South Wales is one of the finest places on the earth!
@@Arkantos117 Admixture with Picts which makes them distinct from the Mercians, Anglians, & Kentish further south. Also there was significantly more Norse ancestry in the North compared to the South due to the boundaries of the Danelaw.
@@chetpomeroy1399 Probably because the earlier generations of "Danes" (Angles, Saxons, Jutes) who moved to Briton, kept sending postcards back home keeping in touch with their family. And it wasn't even England at the time, it was still the separate Anglo-Saxon kingdoms such as Mercia and Northumbria. And in many cases it wasn't just the strong Saxon kingdoms that "liberated" the Danelaw, but that the Anglo-Saxons in those northern kings got sick of the Dane king or whoever and chucked them out.
A mouse being born in a stable doesn't make it a horse. 500 generations of mice being born in that stable still doesn't make them horses. The only way to do that is to change the definition of "horse" to include mice.
Thing is, humans of different ethnicities are not as different and immutable as a horse and a mouse. I'm sure the mouse doesn't learn horse "culture". A sample case; someone ethnically German, with all German ancestors, but born, raised, and integrated into England for the past 5 generations. Is the person German, or English? Also, is the Queen of England even English? genetically.
Jews acting like they don’t understand the criteria for the right of return to Israel is absolutely ridiculous. This host has an insane level of hutzpah. Im getting tired of it.
Many Jews don't understand the Law of Return. I've talked to many Israelis about this, and even many of them are confused about the qualifications. I have an Israeli-born professor who said that you have to have a Jewish mother (and thus be Jewish according to Halacha) to qualify for the Law of Return. I corrected her on that.
What's okay for literally everyone else on Earth is suddenly raysisst & anathema for Europeans. The audacity to question the legitimacy of the indigenous English identity while simultaneously entertaining the ethnocentric politics of asians & blacks is asinine, peak-clownery.
@@vorlovnigma9142Tbf, I've been watching Carl since his early Sargon days, and the only time I've ever spoken about being vegan is when someone else brought it up, like here.
Ethnicity is ABSOLUTELY in the main genetically determined. Nationality is different. You can be of English nationality but to be of English ethnicity you must have Anglo Saxon/Celtic heritage.
Nationality is just a combination of ethnicity/ancestry and a common language. I'd say culture is included in the language. Civic Nationalism is nonsensical subversion.
Foreigners can become English is nationality, they cannot become ethnically English just like if I moved to India, I can become Indian in my nationality but no matter how hard I try I would not be able to become ethnically Indian.
@@hannajones0106passport wise yes there’s no English passport however England is a nation therefore my nation is England Great Britain is not a nation. Great Britain is a union
“You cant just become english” As an American, im okay with that. I love the brits ive worked with, but even if i moved to the british isles, i would always feel like an american
@@sterlingwilkes3240 But if you married an English person and had a bunch of kids, and you and your family remained in England forever, would your children be American or English?
@@joeyginise6051 A lot of the answer to this question lies with the culture you migrate into. Adopting migrants into the country is part of the cultural DNA of Americans, whereas the British tend to give each other a hard time for being born on the wrong side of town. Germans are fairly accepting, too - as long as you stop being whatever you were before you came.
In my opinion to be ethnically English you need to at the very least have descended from a closely related ethnic group, such as as Germanic one, so that you still share most of your genes with the people who belong to the original group. Then on top of that you need the culture and history that comes from your family having lived in the country for a long time. Ethnicity is a gradient and whilst it can be hard to point out the exact place where yellow ends and orange begins it's pretty obvious that a red thing isn't blue. Of course you can intermarry and have your descendants be ethnically English even if you are not.
This guy is not as smart as he makes out, I often cringe listening to him... and sadly a lot of Jews in the public eye are lost and not educated on this subject causing a lot of embarasment and damage ... I mean he calls himself pro-israel but believes ethnicity is just an abstract concept, while saying there's no English ethnicity - how can he not realise how dumb he sounds 🤦🏻♂️
London Mayor Sadiq Khan is emphatically NOT ENGLISH as his parents are Pakistani and his grandparents of Indian extraction!!! He is also not "British" as that is a completely mistaken categorisation, but he is a Londoner and a very poor one at that!!!
Funny I was just watching something about indigenous populations across the world and how they are protected and nurtured as precious history ...I'm an indigenous English man I can trace my line back to the same 20 square miles 200 years, taxes paid, services to the crown rendered and blood shed. where's my protection
Soon there wont be enough "English" and "England" to integrate into and thus this argument these two are making will be lost. I miss the England i grew up in, no one can tell me we are better off now then we were 30 years ago.
Oh, he understands. He’s a Jew. Of course he understands race and ethnic. He just doesn’t want to be classified as (()) only Can you imagine being European going to China and saying you’re now Chinese it’s the same thing and he knows it It’s just that white people a.k.a. Europeans don’t push back on things like this until it’s very bad And right now, things are very bad
How can one claim being English if they are in England for generations and don't have any DNA hinting at English ancestors, so your "tribe" kept for themselves avoiding become English
The concept that English isn’t an ethnicity reflects the ignorance of modern society. How could a fairly intelligent human utter that thought without slapping themselves?
The English are vikings from Sweden Danish and German came to Britain after Romans the irish are celtic Spanish and Portuguese mixed with vikings Swedish Danish and Norwegian German from English invasions
Culture and ethnicity are far more important if you want humans to feel safe and happy. It's just the truth. National identity means almost nothing to divergent cultures
@@BlackbirdArtandDesignProbably cause they came here to get away from Londonistan, sadly now Melbourne becoming just as bad my whole suburb is Indians and Arabs who don’t even integrate or socialise with Aussies.
NO ONE YOU MENTIONED ABOVE WANT TO BE BRITISH, THEY JUST WANT TO LIVE THEIR LIFE IN BRITAIN AND NOT GET POKED BY BRITISH PEOPLE FOR JUST EXISTING. AND PAKISTANIS,BANGLADESHIS ARE MORE PROUD OF THEIR MUSLIM IDENTITY AND NEVER TAKE BRITISH IDENTITY AS THEIR OWN EVEN IF U INSIST TO DO SO.
I watch a particular show, and every season, with increasing frequency, there will be numerous speeches where they will say, "I am X so I will be representing my culture on the stage." In many cases, this person will have never been in that country that their parents or perhaps even grandparents came from, yet they feel comfortable calling it "their" culture despite never ever experiencing the real thing. They will maybe engage in local festivals that are said to be that culture despite the inevitable americanisation of it. When these contestants showcase even a visually shoddy outfit or boring performance, it results in the judges going on and on, calling them brave, an incredible representation of their culture. But if you sent out an Irish contestant to do Riverdance in an Irish dance dress, it would not be met with praise, despite the fact that Irish people were persecuted for almost a millenia, and their language has been pretty successfully destroyed. The DUP were still against Irish language being mandatory, even if it cost a penny. They only see minority cultural practises from non-white countries or societies as being beautiful and enchanting. Culturally significant outfits protect contestants from criticism, no matter how poorly done it is. Suddenly, it has history and meaning, so criticism would be culturally insensitive. There's more Ghanaians than there are Irish, but Ghanaians are considered a minority whilst Irish aren't. Obviously, being a majority/minority depends on which country you're in, but they seem to identify as "marginalised ethnicities" as if that excludes white ethnicities, and it is a global truth for them wherever they go.
@@itsawoodchuck4330Have we watched the same video? It looks like he's trying to understand.. and if he didn't want people to understand like you claim he probably wouldn't have had this conversation
@@chenrhrhhe knows he’s done a DNA test and that tells you , Ashkenazi Jew is not English DNA he’s no English DNA he said he’s Eastern European and that’s where Ashkenazi comes from the Baltic’s
_”this jew does not understand the difference between ethnicity and nationality.”_ Well he is 95% ashkenazi. So his parents, grandparents, great grandparents, great great grandparents, great great great grandparents, and great great great great grandparents (at minimum) all did.
Wow you can really tell here that one of these men is a good actor, is sticking up for his own people, and has a coherent world view. The other is a bad actor, literally crying out in pain as he strikes you. “My fellow Englishmen” 👃
I'm Australian with Maltese, English and Dutch grandparents and great grandparents. . . I have personally wrestled with this question of ethnicity. I look very Maltese from my father's side, but raised by my mother (Anglo-dutch) in a welcoming settler society (Australia). When people meet me and I mention Maltese they assume that is my culture (I've learned to lean into it after reading with wikipedia page on Malta 😂, and taking some lessons in Maltese), but really it is missing the mark.
Why is it so hard to explain what being indigenous English or indigenous British is these days? go back just 60 or 70 years and almost everyone 99.9% genetically was this in Britain, nothing's changed except mass immigration which never happened ever before in British history of millions of people from the third world during the last 60 years or so, this still doesn't change what the ethnic English or British ( English, Welsh, Irish and Scottish people) of today are and have been for thousands of years), indigenous North Western Europeans.
You can't be a 'member' of a group that WON'T HAVE YOU. Ethnicity is a sort of macro-club. There has to be someone who wants to JOIN and a group that agrees that the person CAN join.
To answer the question at 7:45 as to whether the hosts Jewish family arriving in 1800 makes him English or not... did they integrate and marry or keep to themselves? doesn't sound like it, so no.
@@davestevenson9080 I mean, he seems pretty English to me, culturally speaking. I didn’t even know he was Jewish until he said he was Jewish. Seems like an integrated person.
That's a great point, but it still assumes that a foreign ethnicity can become English, which Carl would refute. I would refute it ethnically, but then I don't claim that being English is entirely based on one's ethnicity.
@@jafwilding Carl wouldn't refute somebody with 7/8ths of their ancestry being english and another 1/8th from somewhere else is english, which is what would have happened if the hosts family had properly integrated from 1800
Celts and Anglos also can be traced back their shared source as Indo Europeans on the Pontiac Caspian Steppe. There are distinctions and admixture in the branches but it's the same tree.
The steppi tribe came before the celtic tribe in Britain and Ireland and neolithic people from anatolia turkey all part of celtic dna the English arrived after Romans left Britain the Norman's vikings took over England and invaded Britain and Ireland so we mixed with them than the German Anglo-Saxon and Swedish Danish vikings took over England and invaded Britain and Ireland so that's what Britain and Ireland are mixed with king John's castle I'm limerick Norman's vikings built it and anglo saxons German Swedish Danish took the castle over mixture British people know we from Europe lol
The steppi people were from a different age the celtic people took over as with neolithic ansesters lol highest dna ij irish is spainish first homosapens in Ireland
@audreyroche9490 True that the Bell Beakers were the first Indo Europeans in Britain but the Celtic speakers were in Britain centuries before the Romans, I want say around 500 B.C. but I'd have to look it up to be accurate. There's plenty of archeological and linguistic evidence. Indo European knowledge should be more common in Europe but you'd be amazed how uncommon and even suppressed it is in America and I have met plenty of Europeans who are unaware so I'm just putting it out there. It's important to trace the roots.
The indigenous population of the UK was white for thousands of years. Within the last 80 years that has changed and the white population is being chipped away at. Maybe over the next 400 years it will make very little difference but for right now.. the impact is huge.
I think the confusion is between the national/cultural identity of English (open to anyone in England who embraces English identity) and the ethnicity of "English" (which require English ancestry)
Sorry, I don't agree with any of this. Culture is primarily about shared values and beliefs. Where, for example, the Swedes miscalculated badly is that they thought that if they were generous and invited people from faraway lands to live with them they would instantly become 'different looking Swedes', and would easily integrate. Nope. If a million white people from Northern England were suddenly transported to Saudi Arabia, they wouldn't suddenly pick up the Arabic / Islamic culture (unless under threat of extreme force).
Ethnicity is a word and it has a meaning. Carl refuses to be pinned down about what ethnicity is and is not. It appears to be a chaotic maelstrom formed by genes, culture, and how one feels. Good luck understanding what it is then. It’s just a convenient vector of attack for his incoherent critique of what he calls liberalism. And good luck understanding Carl’s definition of liberalism as well.
I can’t tell if the host is just playing dumb or this is actually how Jewish people think in general. Has this thinking spread to the rest of the world or has it been imposed unnaturally through domination from a certain tribe?
@@biostemm It doesn't matter what the left thinks. Afrikaners are a group found on the African continent, they consider themselves African and South Africa as their native homeland, not Europe.
The idea that someone would be shocked that English is an ethnicity. Like what ethnicity did he think they are??? My ethnicity is English. My family has been in America since the 1500s, but if you do my genetics and look at my cultural upbringing I'm an English American. But unlike others, using that kind of hyphenated is stupid to country unity.
@@djangogeek I might be of Chinese/Thai descent, but as an American, my loyalty isn't to the blood that flows through my veins, but the Flag that I swore to bleed for. Because at the end of the day, when a man dies, and his blood dries and time passes, the only thing people will know is what flag will fly over his grave.
@djangogeek that would be the best question asked of those who hyphenate. If you assuage the the culture, the history, the pride, and all that it is to be of one people over the one you happen to be genetically connected to, you are NOT loyal to the one you live in but the one you are genetically attached. Therefore there can be a question of loyalty but loyalty and ethnicity are two separate measures. Regarding Americans it would depend if you accept a no valid race for what is American or do you accept that America was founded for English colonist and it invited other culture and races. That is a completely different debate. As far as ethnicity goes, my genetics are English and the traditional American culture is primarily based on English colonist. My ethnicity is English. What would be interesting is if there was a way to create an American ethnicity. At this time tho it does not exist. There is an American culture, which is unfortunately disparaged in many circles especially those are helped by the culture. Again a hope for a later time.
@@hdw237 there is no need to “create” an American ethnicity as it already exists. For the majority of US history only people of English/Germanic ethnic heritage were fully recognized as belonging to the national identity.
@djangogeek that is possible. Of course there are history and cultural norms that came from the Catholic Spanish and French. I am of a mind that the very basis of what is foundational American is based on the English colonist who won Independence and farther back the Purtain colonist that established the colonies the later Revolutionary would come from. It is an interesting topic of discussion.
People use ethnicity to refer to different things which makes it hard to have a discussion. Some consider it to be culture, others genetic. In my view if it is simply genetic then it should only matter to describe your appearance or for your doctor who may need it for some medical conditions. If it’s culture then obviously that isn’t determined by your genetics so it isn’t decided when you are born as he has said.
His ethnicity definition made very little sense, just like many of his arguments in general. First he says black child adopted by English parents can't be English because you can't change ethnicity, it's something you're born with. Then he says ethnicity is culture, traditions and how you feel in the heart. Why can't you adopt these? Then he says Jewish is ethnicity because you can identify it with a DNA test. And then very small percentage of his DNA is English, but he self identifies as English lol
Exactly. Ethnicity is a genetic heritage. A black kid adopted as an infant will continue to be whatever Ethnicity they are, but could easily be culturally the same as the adoptive parents. There problem lies in the easily discerned visual differences in members of a culture. It's easy to spot the black British kid running around with the white British kids. Same as it's easy to spot the Jewish kids running around with the German kinder. Making society about Ethnicity rather than a shared culture is problematic.
@@rasputintouring9014 Yeah Carl was completely fucking incoherent in this video. I have no idea how so many of these comments think he’s making a lick of sense.
@ralphengland8559 here's where the biggest problem lies, in the Anglo countries many who are obviously not genetically Anglo have come (sometimes illegally) to those countries to partake in the wealth and opportunities of those countries. BUT they do not embrace the CULTURE, they instead hyphenate themselves and embrace and show pride in the culture they are genetically attached to. Their genetic culture being one that created failed states of poverty and inequality. So the ETHNIC Anglos are being forced to give of the rewards of their culture to a substandard one that is unable to achieve those rewards on their own merit. Yes, ethnicity is a combination of culture and genetics. No, you cannot be a ethnicity if you are without the genetic markers.
It’s in the name. England is the land of the English. A people with a shared culture, language, and historical borders. You can live in England and not be English ethnically. Until the mixing of ethnicities becomes so pervasive that you can’t distinguish one from the other, you’re not ethnically English.
Have a online Petition 'demanding' that no one can be elected to high political office, local or otherwise without having three and more generations born in England. The same as Japan! (only 1 subscribed - could have gone to a Parliamentary Debate with most of those "non - English" deciding the outcome! -
I have been making the same suggestion for some time now. However, I would set the bar on five generations. We are already on the 3rd generation in some places and it's not looking good.
Oh....I am black of African Origin, brought up in England, taught by English people, loved by English people, given everything I am by English people...all the time, I was thinking I was English....I guess I'm not... Couldn't I be an adopted English. I know, I am also African as well though!
Mr Benjamin is missing something here, though I think we get his general point. The problem is that he keeps confusing himself with his own definitions of culture and ethnicity. “English” is both an ethnicity AND a nationality. Same with Italian and Japanese and Spanish, etc.
The words ethnicity (from Greek: ethnos) and nationality (from Latin: natio) both refer to a people. The problem is that "replacism", as some specific ad hoc ideology aimed at "Western" or European nations, is not and can not be explicitly ideologically defined by its proponents without exposing their goal as negative. Negative, as in, that there is no core people that their belief belongs to or could sustain (only a process they can try to force on others), and negative, as in, the host nation is explicitly losing something by changing its demographic composition. Whether all ethnic change has to be seen as negative is another topic, but the whole discussion is disallowed in the first place, because any criticism would have to be targeted at foreign ethnicities. Not to mention that the origin nations are often numerous and increasing in their number, while the host nation is decreasing from the falling birthrate alone. Deconstructing national identity into an individualist buerocracy has the same goal and meaning as destroying a native ethnicity. There is no "rational" conception of the nation that can juggle its migrant ethnicities in the West today, nor do they want one if it meant confirming the existence of European ethnicities.
The distinction between is between English and British. British is the state, English is the people who make the state. A person can BECOME British by naturalization, but to become English, it requires adoption into the inherent genealogy of the English.
@@jafwildingYeah all my ancestors are from Scotland, Ireland Wales and England so it's hard to identify with just one. If asked I just say my ethnicity is British
It's like Chess. There are rules that can't be broken, otherwise it isn't Chess. But there are still multiple different things that you can do within those rules.
Yes it's an ethnicity and the English are white it's not hard.. nor do I have a problem with someone who migrates to England calling themselves English.. they may not be correct but it's no biggy and is a good indicator to integration
I work with a lot of Hmong people here in the US. I think that someone who immigrates to a new country and tries to assimilate into culture will never completely fit into it. On top of that, I've noticed that the second-generation Hmong-Americans are in a hybrid position culturally. Hmong culture is very tight-knit and there are tens of thousands in the area, so they maintain a lot of their culture here in the US. The people born here watch American movies, celebrate American holidays, and grew up in American culture, but still do Hmong cultural practices (the language, food, shamanism, etc.) at home and with their community. They really are a hyphenated ethnicity. By the third generation, I'd assume they're finally 100% American, or close to it, but it still depends on the effort to assimilate. If a Hmong-American marries another Hmong-American, their kids will likely be the same. If, instead, they marry someone from outside of the community, I think the kids will be just like most other Americans.
Jewish! Oh , No wonder he seems unsure . This only applies to Western Europe. If i ( Englishman ) live or born in Africa, Asia. - I am still English to them.
English itself has this ambiguity wherein English is a nationality and an ethnicity both, leading in turn to people conflating nationality and ethnicity. Here in the USA, it’s obvious that “to be an American” (vernacular for USA citizen) is not to be of any specific ethno group. Anglo-Euros are citizens but so are any number of other ethnic groups. In this way US English diverges from English English. Americans are a different ethnicity.
I'm an American, with lineages spanning the world. I am interested in many cultures, yet due to economic circumstances I have no real home. As much as I would love to settle down somewhere, I am doomed to remain a rolling stone.
The host should know that the Jewish people as a tribe don't view converts the same way they view ethnically born Jews Even if your father is ethnically Jewish and your mother is not you're not considered ethnically Jewish
That's why even in England you have different sub cultures. Someone who's historically from East Anglia is going to have a slightly different cultural background than someone from Wessex.
I'm from the US and it hurts my heart seeing what's happened to England but it made me realize not all immigrants are the same. There is a huge difference between the Christian Central Americans & such that we seem to get and the Pakistani's & such you all have taken on.
Dear Carl Benjamin, The English weren't kicked out from India, the British empire was kicked out. There was a sizeable community of Anglo Indians who were guaranteed reservations as minority status within India to ensure they face no violence or discrimination even if they chose to live in India, as many did. It wasn't an ethnic conflict.
He then says we would want other people to come here and breed with English people which we obviously don't when that would irradiate the English. Carl starts well but cucks as the pressure builds.
It breaks down on multiple levels. While a New Yorker and a Texan will both identify as American, you can't simply transplant one to the other. That's the reason there was so much pushback to the California Exodus as they merely exported California's culture rather than adopting the local culture.
You can feel this ethnic split in the US as well, even among different European ancestries. Of course we're all American, but I notice a change in my own family who is half German ancestry and the other is English. I ate Thanksgiving with the German half and was shocked by seeing Spetzle as a dish and everyone was 6' 5" and blonde (sure, they were my cousins but still). I'm halfway joking but there seriously is a difference and if you have a multi-ethnic country, you'd better prepare to unite them somehow. Immigrant nations have managed to do this through CivNat traditions. You need to bring them together or else they will find a tribe and chances are, it won't be yours.
And the real racists won't stop screaming about race, they force everything to center around race, and then smugly judge others over their race while knowing the others would be publicly crucified if they did it in turn. As a white man, I only started caring in _any_ capacity about race when I was constantly judged for mine. _Weird how the times change._
thing is though, europeans may have customs unique from each other but are overall more similar than different when compared to other groups (african/latin/arabian/asian) so when people say how "america was built by immigration" to justify an opening of the border is strange as it was only built by european immigration
American isnt an ethnicity, its a nationality. I was raised in a mixed Italian/Polish family and the two sides had different traditions, blended on American ice. In my case, I identify more strongly with my Italian side, so I say Im Italian. According to Italy, I have a claim if I choose it. So, Im Italian ethnically, and of American nationally. Im part of both groups.
FULL AGREEMENT!! So many cases where I'd love to publicly comment on ridiculous current events however I already work in education and in the current increasingly authoritarian environment of the UK, I don't feel safe to speak out. Things have changed. Makes me want to move to the USA where free speech is enshrined in their constitution.
Sure, but that has nothing to do with his ethnicity. There is no requirement that a person has to have 100% English ancestry to be part of that ethnic group.
@@leventehorvath8562 Really? Ancestry is an element of ethnicity; a crucial one if ethnicity is only heritable. What's the cut-off point, roughly, where someone's ancestry makes them non English, 51%?
Then why does Carl Benjamin keep pushing a Nigerian raised in Saudi Arabia as being an example of a British citizen with British values ? If Nzube is british, than why would ethnicity matter ?
British is not an ethnicity. Carl wasn't talking about the British identity but the ethnic English identity. Zuby is British not English. Please actually listen.
In my humble opinion someone born in a country, having foreign parents can occupy any position they wish once they are beyond any shadow of a doubt regarding their love for their country, their cultural values, and their group allegiance. If you display a greater love for your religious group, you try to favor people who came from the country of your parents, or you care more about the interests of another nation more than your own, you should be disqualified and deemed a traitor. A good historical example would be the Bernadotte royal family in Sweden. The guy was a French general put there by Napoleon. After a few years he wrote a letter like: "I am the king of the Swedes now and I must fight you on the battlefields of Europe. I take no pleasure in this blah blah, it's my duty towards my new nation". Napoleon understood and accepted it as honorable duty and not a treason. Napoleon himself when he conquered Italy he chastised some ruler who reminded him of his Corsican roots and Italian ancestry. I think that's the honorable thing to do, 200 years ago, and in the present. The moment you value your religion, family roots, or social group more than the interests of your new nation THEN you should be punished for it IMHO, not being discriminated beforehand regardless of your patriotism.
@@bSMith266 because there are exceptions to every rule, and when you live on the edge case, such that what the interviewer is doing, it is easy to poke holes in any belief system. But the exception tends to prove the rule, not break it
@@Hackattack7 he was not discussing edge cases. One example, he said ethnicity is a feeling, well if so then it is fully self identifiable. The host even picks him up on it.
15:30 yeah, because we have a french revolutionary tradition, just like sargon talked about "feeling english" the same thing happens in argentina, these migrants came in and their kids become natives, like adoptees, so now they've become part of the "us" group. very hard thing for anglos to understand, except for carl, who gets it.
I'm sure that there is an ethnicity that is English, Anglo Saxon etc. But English is also a nationality. Carl doesn't believe that anyone who isn't white can be English. To me this is one step away from white supremacy, which i know he isn't. There's a Muslim that I met online, and he doesn't even live in England, he lives in Sweden. But he is a complete Anglophile. When it's the King's birthday, he puts a Union Flag up on Facebook, and says "God save the King, God Bless UK." My opinion is that he is more British, even though he's obviously not, than someone like Owen Jones, who hates this country, and actively tries to run it down, as well as its history and culture. But I would rather have a guy like that (assuming he's genuine), than Jones. I wonder what Carl thinks about that.
This is complete nonsense. You can be a self hating englishman and a traitor yes but you'd be english. English is a very old ethnicity now, over 1000 years old plus man thousands for other native Britons. You can't suddenly skip that and become english overnight. It's farcical.
The guy in Sweden is what you'd call a poser. I can fly a Mexican flag but that will not make me Mexican. Your viewpoint is extremely modern, like less than 20 years old, and it's not holding up.
No the English have been subsumed into a multi-ethnic empire. The nationality now is a collection of ethnicities. No attempts are even made to make people more English they just let anyone in and let them find their own way.
Being English is not just a birthplace, or citizenship, or passport. It is an ethnicity. It is being part of a specific people. That's just reality.
You can't get an English citizenship, or an English passport
@@the98themperoroftheholybri33 that’s the point. You can’t become English. Only your children/descendants can. It’s genetic.
@@the98themperoroftheholybri33 That's the point, you are or your not.
yeah. How happy would any of these other ethnicities feel if millions of English or other European groups were coming into their countries against their wills. People will say "that's colonization in fact". Yes, so Europe and North America is currently being colonized.
I'm an American, and I take pride in my English ethnicity and the culture associated with it.
Why is it wrong for European ethnic and national groups to want what successful East Asian countries have? Is it wrong to want to live in a peaceful mostly homogenous country? I reject the very tenant that diversity is a strength. Humans are a tribal species. We are clearly evolved to be comfortable amongst similar populations. There's nothing wrong with this, by the way. Separate populations creates more diversity than the sludge of the progressive city.
If what I'm describing is bigoted then the countries or Japan, South Korea and Taiwan are proof "bigotry" works. I don't believe wanting safety and happiness and comfort is bigoted
Its not that its wrong, just that its different.
Absolutely based Sir. You are completely correct.
It is considered wrong because we have enemies in charge of our society.
Because the West's values are not collectivists as the East. For eastern countries the group is paramount, in the West the individual is paramount. That is why it is natural to us to enact a landscape of free competition. We dominate commerce, military and technology because of that. Silicon Valley is a melting pot of all the talent in the world, and it does not look homogeneous
It's "wrong" because others are jealous of their success.
Native people of Europe have all Rights to protect thier Native land from COLONIZERS too.
Yep...when they say we must 'decolonise' surely that means the colonisers and settlers go...no?
There is such a thing as ethnocide.
@@Frogboxer Yes, that is what they mean.
When people say Europe for Europeans, then these people say Africa for Africans, Australia for Aborigines and Americas for Natives.
The idea is that since an African or Arab can never be an European, thus an European can never be an Australian or American.
@@jbw3118 There is. Wiping out any specific ethnicity or culture is ethnocide, but is usually referred as ethnic cleansing.
Islam is all about colonization. That should apply to religious groups, too?
Absolutely ridiculous to have this conversation. English is an ethnicity. Scottish is an ethnicity. Welsh is an ethnicity. Irish is an ethnicity. You bring them together, you get the UK, a multicultural society based on different peoples inhabitanting a geographical area coming together as one country. British is the culture of them all together. They can still separated culturally, but some guy from Uganda can't come along and pretend like he's apart of any of those ethnic groups because he isn't and won't ever be. If you move to Japan, and you have kids, they aren't now magically Japanese. Like wtf is he on about?
Lol the celtic people from Ireland were spainish and Portuguese all same tribe in Britain as celtic people travelled across Europe settled in Spain Portugal France Germany and Britain and Ireland different tribes as there is in all continents and countries there's different tribes in Asia Africa Europe Australia new Zealand usa so on different tribes of white people same different tribes of black people Asian people with different cultures might look similar but different languages different cultures and beliefs
The Irish are not part of the United Kingdom.
If you move to Japan and have kids that are Japanese, of course they are Japanese. What will their passport say they are? Every legal document they own? Would you not call a Japanese citizen born and raised in Japan, regardless of race, a Japanese person?
I'd like to introduce you to the concept of "punctuation".
@@FreedomAintFree-ol6fythe Japanese wouldn't. They can be a Japanese citizen perhaps but they're not ethnically Japanese.
Why is this hard?
My Anglo Saxon parents gave birth to me in Germany. I'm not ethnically German.
If they moved to Nigeria and I'd been born there I wouldn't be ethnically Nigerian.
It's genetic not a feeling or a piece of paper. What are DNA tests for.
Rudyard Kipling was not Indian, and JRR Tolkien was not South African.
Nobody objects to these statements. Why do we suddenly get squeamish if we say it about Axel Rudakubana or any other non Englishman who happened to be born here?
Interesting about Tolkien. Born in South Africa, but identified himself as English. Yet, his ancestors actually came from Germany and had only been in England for a few generations. Tolkien is a German surname, not an English one.
So was he German because of his ancestry, or was he English because of his culture?
@@kaifreyleue5961He’s German on his dad’s side and English on his mum’s (from the Suffield family with deep roots in the West Midlands)
@ Okay, so was he German or English? Which nation does he properly belong to?
@@kaifreyleue5961 are you slow or just pretending?
@@jay1jayf Why do you people refuse to answer my question? Was Tolkien German or was he English? This should be incredibly easy for you to answer.
Having said what I've said below, I admire the Japanese way. If you're a gaijin (foreigner), you can never ascend to certain positions in public life. You can be very much loved, and respected, but certain things are for Japanese only. Maybe we could, or should, do the same.
Two tier citizenship? No thanks
@@extrude22 two tier citizenship in the natives favour would be pretty good actually. We should ALWAYS be put first in our own country.
@@extrude22It’s not citizenship at all in the Japanese case, and they’re 100% right about thatz
@@extrude22The Israelis already do that in the US, and I agree, it's a problem.
"Gaijin" (外人) is a slur; it literally means "outsider" and everything that implies.
"Gaikokujin" (外国人) means "person of/from another country".
I was seeing a girl a few years ago and she told me she was part Thai. I looked at her and asked what she meant. She explained her grandmother was born in Thailand as the child of a British couple out their living and working for the empire in someway. I explained this to her that doesn't make her Thai. Her entire family history is British. I felt bad about it because she had been telling people this interesting thing about herself for years and nobody had ever asked her about it. I burst her bubble.
maybe grandma passed on thai food and culture
It's sad she couldn't be proud of her British ancestry. 😕
@@zxyatiywariii8 she’d rather her ancestors be colonized than be colonizers.
@wade2bosh No she didn't. The family moved back to Britain when Grandma was still a very small child.
very autistic, did you at least f*** her? this is the most important question instead of "redpilling" random women
The fact that having an ethnicity which can't be changed as being new to you is a DISASTER. If people have been this mislead it's going to hard to crawl back from that.
This is the reason America has been uniquely successful in the assimilation of immigrant groups.... In virtually every other country, national and ethnic identity are the same thing, whereas Americans have a split national and ethnic identity... It allows essentially anyone to maintain their ethnic identity while adopting a new national identity within a generation or two.
This is why Americanization (which is what globalization really is) ONLY works in America. When Europe tries to do it, it's a disaster. Ethnicity isn't Coca-Cola or blue jeans.
@@Avtomat4774 In my case, my ethnic identity has pretty much disappeared. My regional identity as a New Englander supersedes any of my distant European ancestries. I have ancestors from all over Europe, but ethnically, I guess I’d say I’m just a white American. Calling myself Danish or Dutch or German doesn’t make sense to me.
@@kaifreyleue5961 Absolutely, but when you're speaking to fellow Americans, I'd bet you still note your ethnic roots. (Outside the country, that disappears, and we all just say we're Americans)
My father was English, so it doesn't really apply, but my mother's family has been in Maine for generations; and they still say "we're Welsh and French Canadian".
@ I don’t normally disclose my European ancestry unless asked - and typically only because my surname is somewhat unusual and sometimes people are curious as to where it came from. Still, I don’t say that I am Danish, but that my great-grandfather was Danish. I am not Danish. I am an American and nothing else.
This mentality is kind of a rarity for Americans, but I wish it were more common because I think we should all think of ourselves as Americans first, not our distant ancestries.
@@Avtomat4774 Yeah it's strange, i'm english with irish and dutch roots but i'd never say i'm irish or dutch ethnically. I've only known english culture an my dads side has deep roots in these islands since before the unification of scotland and england so those other bits are little more than a footnote
With america though, i'm sure the tradition of using ancestral tribes was used quite often with the first settlers an just got passed down. The tribe you belonged to would effect how people of other tribes treated you, the irish and english descendants surely had a grudge against each other way back then
If the English, Welsh, Scots and Irish know we are different ethnicities despite living side by side for centuries why do foreigners think they can come here and appropriate any one of the four on a wim? British used to mean you were 1 of the 4, now it means nothing other than your a citizen of Great Britain and you get a participation certificate
Him being an Englishman and not knowing English was an ethnicity makes me absolutely furious for some reason
I'm hoping that it was just for the show. Surely he knew? I can't believe he didn't know that.
He is jewish.
Well he's ethnically a jew.
@@CTIDIsn't he a hat of the small variety? I know a very English guy, how he dresses and speaks and the mannerisms.. but he is ethnically Greek, I doubt he dwells on it and I don't think the host has either.
The education system uses English and British interchangeably, and continuously plays down English identity and history, while promoting the entirely false narrative that England has always been a nation of immigrants. About the only place where most normies encounter the concept of Englishness as an ethnicity is when they fill in a census form every ten years.
Carl Benjamin is not even close to far right.
I would argue it is not the "liberalism" that caused this problem but the socialism.
The liberalist (like Mises) have no needs or will to change society, destroy pre-existing cultures, etc.
Their argument is about respecting private property and individual freedoms in a reciprocal environment.
Socialists don't want a reciprocal environment and don't respect private property and individual freedoms.
The question of "adopting" someone in the tribe is nothing new: it is a marriage between you and the tribe, consensual. You adopt the customs of the tribe, the tribe adopt you.
The first thing is language: if they speak the language of the tribe, they could be adopted by the tribe; but if you don't speak it, the natural process of separation continue to work.
The Overton window is a sad, but very real thing.
In the UK sadly he is relative to the other view points, in terms of national identity issues.
Benjamin is a centrist at the end of the day but has done good work in shifting the Overton Window.
Nope, his views would be considered far right even in the 70's when it comes to immigration.
You hear people refer to themselves as Asian/African British all the time. But to call yourself ethnically English is wrong if you are... make it make sense.
England literally means land of the Angles, as in Anglo-Saxon peoples. You replace the people, it's no longer England.
Who’s going to tell him that the Anglo-Saxons are Germanic ethnically. Just ignorant AF 😂😂😂
Carl was really, really strong here.
I don't follow him actively since he stopped uploading on the Sargon channel, but this was a great performance, perhaps I should pay more attention to him again
He's basically slowly at a snails pace, going back on a lot of his Liberal views as he experiences more Liberal values reaching their end goals
He's active again on his main channel. Good stuff!
His channel is active again
What are you talking about. His ethnicity definition made very little sense. First he says black child adopted by English parents can't be English because you can't change ethnicity, it's something you're born with. Then he says ethnicity is culture, traditions and how you feel in the heart. Why can't you adopt these? Then he says Jewish is ethnicity because you can identify it with a DNA test. Then very small percentage of his DNA is English, but he self identifies as English lol
@@rasputintouring9014 There is literally no contradictions in his statements.
If you want, i can provide a short answer that doesn't require a 15 minute discussion in a video.
Ethnic identity is based in an ancestral line that can be traced back to the ethnogenesis of an ethnic group.
There is a common language and culture that's developed to provide points of connection between members of that ethnic group.
So yes, an adopted black child will not be English, since they lack the necessary ancestry to qualify.
When he talks about culture and how you feel, he describes the personal affiliation with the ethnic group, which is part of ethnic identity (but insufficient by itself).
When he says that Jewish is an ethnicity because you can identify it with a DNA test, he provides an objective way to test for the necessary requirement for ethnicity.
His small percentage of English DNA is also consistent with this view, because there is an unbroken line of English ancestry, so he qualifies for all criteria.
My two Scots grandparents moved to England and it never would have occurred to them to refer to themselves as English. (One of them was from the Lothians though, so Northumbrian!). First time I've ever heard Mr. B acknowledge (significant) Welsh heritage. He should be proud of it! South Wales is one of the finest places on the earth!
Agreed, if Newport is taken out of that equation
Southern Scotland has a lot of AngloSaxon admixture so practically English anyway.
@@Arkantos117 Admixture with Picts which makes them distinct from the Mercians, Anglians, & Kentish further south. Also there was significantly more Norse ancestry in the North compared to the South due to the boundaries of the Danelaw.
@@Afrologist recent research showed the Danes and Norman’s had very little impact on the make up of britons
Angleland is in Germany today but it was part of Denmark for much longer. Basically it's the long neck that makes up southern Denmark.
Centuries ago, much of England was Danelaw.
@@chetpomeroy1399 Probably because the earlier generations of "Danes" (Angles, Saxons, Jutes) who moved to Briton, kept sending postcards back home keeping in touch with their family.
And it wasn't even England at the time, it was still the separate Anglo-Saxon kingdoms such as Mercia and Northumbria. And in many cases it wasn't just the strong Saxon kingdoms that "liberated" the Danelaw, but that the Anglo-Saxons in those northern kings got sick of the Dane king or whoever and chucked them out.
A mouse being born in a stable doesn't make it a horse.
500 generations of mice being born in that stable still doesn't make them horses.
The only way to do that is to change the definition of "horse" to include mice.
@@Unpainted_Huffhines foolish argument. Even a neanderthal man would do better than this stinker
Changing the definition still doesn’t factually turn the mice into horses, and there’s a real problem when you start mounting a mouse
It doesn't make it a problem either so what's the problem with it being in the barn if its not causing a problem?
No, but it would make them stable animals, not wild animals. Same as a Jamaican will never be Anglo-Saxon, but he can be a British citizen.
Thing is, humans of different ethnicities are not as different and immutable as a horse and a mouse. I'm sure the mouse doesn't learn horse "culture". A sample case; someone ethnically German, with all German ancestors, but born, raised, and integrated into England for the past 5 generations. Is the person German, or English? Also, is the Queen of England even English? genetically.
Jews acting like they don’t understand the criteria for the right of return to Israel is absolutely ridiculous. This host has an insane level of hutzpah.
Im getting tired of it.
Then he’ll act confused why people don’t like him
They control societies with weakened sense of nation. It's in their interest to act like that.
Many Jews don't understand the Law of Return. I've talked to many Israelis about this, and even many of them are confused about the qualifications. I have an Israeli-born professor who said that you have to have a Jewish mother (and thus be Jewish according to Halacha) to qualify for the Law of Return. I corrected her on that.
What's okay for literally everyone else on Earth is suddenly raysisst & anathema for Europeans. The audacity to question the legitimacy of the indigenous English identity while simultaneously entertaining the ethnocentric politics of asians & blacks is asinine, peak-clownery.
Well, ..if your religion or ideologie is disgusting, disgusting is what you spread.
agreed. it takes a very nasty kind of people to kill Jesus.
Completely not what the conversation was about, is like a vegan trying yo remind you that they are at every opportunity
@@vorlovnigma9142Tbf, I've been watching Carl since his early Sargon days, and the only time I've ever spoken about being vegan is when someone else brought it up, like here.
"ideologie" lol
Ethnicity is ABSOLUTELY in the main genetically determined. Nationality is different. You can be of English nationality but to be of English ethnicity you must have Anglo Saxon/Celtic heritage.
British is the nationality, not English here.
You might wanna try looking up the etymology of the word nation
Nationality is just a combination of ethnicity/ancestry and a common language. I'd say culture is included in the language. Civic Nationalism is nonsensical subversion.
There is no such thing. One can get British citizenship, English is an ethnicity.
Foreigners can become English is nationality, they cannot become ethnically English just like if I moved to India, I can become Indian in my nationality but no matter how hard I try I would not be able to become ethnically Indian.
try looking up the etymology of the word nation
English is not a nationality. British is their nationality.
@@hannajones0106passport wise yes there’s no English passport however England is a nation therefore my nation is England Great Britain is not a nation. Great Britain is a union
@@Bpt8825so the British prime minister is the head of what? And is that equivalent to the head of the EU when it comes to sovereignty?
“You cant just become english”
As an American, im okay with that. I love the brits ive worked with, but even if i moved to the british isles, i would always feel like an american
That's an important distinction to remember. Anyone can become an American, but not just anyone can be English, French, German, etc.
@@sterlingwilkes3240 But if you married an English person and had a bunch of kids, and you and your family remained in England forever, would your children be American or English?
@@joeyginise6051 A lot of the answer to this question lies with the culture you migrate into. Adopting migrants into the country is part of the cultural DNA of Americans, whereas the British tend to give each other a hard time for being born on the wrong side of town. Germans are fairly accepting, too - as long as you stop being whatever you were before you came.
@@kaifreyleue5961 Most likely English since they would have been raised in English culture.
@@joeyginise6051 No-one can just become an american any more than they can just become english.
My mother can never be English. She was born and raised in London. Her mother was born and raised in London. But my mother will always be Scottish.
In my opinion to be ethnically English you need to at the very least have descended from a closely related ethnic group, such as as Germanic one, so that you still share most of your genes with the people who belong to the original group. Then on top of that you need the culture and history that comes from your family having lived in the country for a long time. Ethnicity is a gradient and whilst it can be hard to point out the exact place where yellow ends and orange begins it's pretty obvious that a red thing isn't blue. Of course you can intermarry and have your descendants be ethnically English even if you are not.
😂😂😂 the jew suddenly doesn’t know about race and ethnicity? Sure…
This guy is not as smart as he makes out, I often cringe listening to him... and sadly a lot of Jews in the public eye are lost and not educated on this subject causing a lot of embarasment and damage ... I mean he calls himself pro-israel but believes ethnicity is just an abstract concept, while saying there's no English ethnicity - how can he not realise how dumb he sounds 🤦🏻♂️
I bet he doesn’t believe anyone can be Israeli,he’ll have a very clear idea of what nationhood means.
A lot of mixed race adoptions break down,many local authorities will not mix ethnicities in adoptions.
What does that have anything to do with it? Typical woke logic you got here.
Gonna have to disagree with wanting foreigners to marry the native English
Why?
@@gabenorman747 because they want the “pure” ethnic groups.
London Mayor Sadiq Khan is emphatically NOT ENGLISH as his parents are Pakistani and his grandparents of Indian extraction!!! He is also not "British" as that is a completely mistaken categorisation, but he is a Londoner and a very poor one at that!!!
As an Indian descent patriot of England I say I agree wholeheartedly!
"IRISH BLOOD, ENGLISH HEART" - Morrissy. 🎶 🎵
Morrissey* Jesus.
Neither exists. The Celtic lines stem from mainland Europe, and arrived there from mass migrations from other parts of the world.
@@ssrmy1782 Cope.
Funny I was just watching something about indigenous populations across the world and how they are protected and nurtured as precious history ...I'm an indigenous English man I can trace my line back to the same 20 square miles 200 years, taxes paid, services to the crown rendered and blood shed. where's my protection
Soon there wont be enough "English" and "England" to integrate into and thus this argument these two are making will be lost. I miss the England i grew up in, no one can tell me we are better off now then we were 30 years ago.
This time period sucks. Anyone thinks the world is better now than 30 years ago. Is an imbecile with a pea-brain.
Carl’s a very smart man, it’s painful to watch people struggle to understand him.
Oh, he understands. He’s a Jew. Of course he understands race and ethnic.
He just doesn’t want to be classified as (())
only
Can you imagine being European going to China and saying you’re now Chinese it’s the same thing and he knows it
It’s just that white people a.k.a. Europeans don’t push back on things like this until it’s very bad
And right now, things are very bad
Needs to bring up the leftist who acknowledge you cant change ethnicity but can change gender/sex.
Average people can’t comprehend nuances: that’s why so many things are black and white.
What he’s saying is pretty basic. Apparently the social convention is to feign ignorance about sensitive topics.
@@michmonty95exactly.
Carl for PM
How can one claim being English if they are in England for generations and don't have any DNA hinting at English ancestors, so your "tribe" kept for themselves avoiding become English
Shape-shifting to subvert nations
Like British Royal Family which german ?
@@katarn848eh, Queen Elizabeth was ethically English though .
The concept that English isn’t an ethnicity reflects the ignorance of modern society. How could a fairly intelligent human utter that thought without slapping themselves?
Jewish person trying to subvert their host nation
I’m happy to be an American of Scandinavian, English/Irish, and German descent.
The English are vikings from Sweden Danish and German came to Britain after Romans the irish are celtic Spanish and Portuguese mixed with vikings Swedish Danish and Norwegian German from English invasions
no such thing as "american
@@TommyMclean-fv5cy I'm American only. Don't care what you think.
I'm Australian. I'm more Anglo than both of them. A nation is a people.
But you're Australian and probably find yourself feeling like Australia and its people are your home. This seems to matter.
Culture and ethnicity are far more important if you want humans to feel safe and happy. It's just the truth.
National identity means almost nothing to divergent cultures
And as an actual Anglo, no we don't want them intermarrying with us apart from Celts and Western Europeans.
@@loganblackwood2922 An English immigrant feels a lot more homely than the others we have been swamped with.
@@BlackbirdArtandDesignProbably cause they came here to get away from Londonistan, sadly now Melbourne becoming just as bad my whole suburb is Indians and Arabs who don’t even integrate or socialise with Aussies.
It so annoying where migrants from places like Bangladesh, Pakistan, Africa, etc get all mad and go "what do you mean I am not British!?"
NO ONE YOU MENTIONED ABOVE WANT TO BE BRITISH, THEY JUST WANT TO LIVE THEIR LIFE IN BRITAIN AND NOT GET POKED BY BRITISH PEOPLE FOR JUST EXISTING. AND PAKISTANIS,BANGLADESHIS ARE MORE PROUD OF THEIR MUSLIM IDENTITY AND NEVER TAKE BRITISH IDENTITY AS THEIR OWN EVEN IF U INSIST TO DO SO.
They are British but they are not English or Scottish or Irish or Welsh.
I watch a particular show, and every season, with increasing frequency, there will be numerous speeches where they will say, "I am X so I will be representing my culture on the stage."
In many cases, this person will have never been in that country that their parents or perhaps even grandparents came from, yet they feel comfortable calling it "their" culture despite never ever experiencing the real thing. They will maybe engage in local festivals that are said to be that culture despite the inevitable americanisation of it.
When these contestants showcase even a visually shoddy outfit or boring performance, it results in the judges going on and on, calling them brave, an incredible representation of their culture.
But if you sent out an Irish contestant to do Riverdance in an Irish dance dress, it would not be met with praise, despite the fact that Irish people were persecuted for almost a millenia, and their language has been pretty successfully destroyed. The DUP were still against Irish language being mandatory, even if it cost a penny.
They only see minority cultural practises from non-white countries or societies as being beautiful and enchanting.
Culturally significant outfits protect contestants from criticism, no matter how poorly done it is. Suddenly, it has history and meaning, so criticism would be culturally insensitive.
There's more Ghanaians than there are Irish, but Ghanaians are considered a minority whilst Irish aren't. Obviously, being a majority/minority depends on which country you're in, but they seem to identify as "marginalised ethnicities" as if that excludes white ethnicities, and it is a global truth for them wherever they go.
this jew does not understand the difference between ethnicity and nationality.
Oh he understands, he just doesn’t want you do understand or look out for your own people the way he does
@@itsawoodchuck4330Have we watched the same video? It looks like he's trying to understand.. and if he didn't want people to understand like you claim he probably wouldn't have had this conversation
@@chenrhrhhe knows he’s done a DNA test and that tells you , Ashkenazi Jew is not English DNA he’s no English DNA he said he’s Eastern European and that’s where Ashkenazi comes from the Baltic’s
_”this jew does not understand the difference between ethnicity and nationality.”_
Well he is 95% ashkenazi. So his parents, grandparents, great grandparents, great great grandparents, great great great grandparents, and great great great great grandparents (at minimum) all did.
@@YorkshireNannieI agree with that. He thought English was a nationality but it's not
Wow you can really tell here that one of these men is a good actor, is sticking up for his own people, and has a coherent world view. The other is a bad actor, literally crying out in pain as he strikes you. “My fellow Englishmen” 👃
And yet in ancient Rome, no one had a problem with "my fellow Romans" once a person had citizenship. This race thing is what f-d up civilization.
I'm Australian with Maltese, English and Dutch grandparents and great grandparents. . . I have personally wrestled with this question of ethnicity.
I look very Maltese from my father's side, but raised by my mother (Anglo-dutch) in a welcoming settler society (Australia).
When people meet me and I mention Maltese they assume that is my culture (I've learned to lean into it after reading with wikipedia page on Malta 😂, and taking some lessons in Maltese), but really it is missing the mark.
Why is it so hard to explain what being indigenous English or indigenous British is these days? go back just 60 or 70 years and almost everyone 99.9% genetically was this in Britain, nothing's changed except mass immigration which never happened ever before in British history of millions of people from the third world during the last 60 years or so, this still doesn't change what the ethnic English or British ( English, Welsh, Irish and Scottish people) of today are and have been for thousands of years), indigenous North Western Europeans.
You can't be a 'member' of a group that WON'T HAVE YOU. Ethnicity is a sort of macro-club. There has to be someone who wants to JOIN and a group that agrees that the person CAN join.
Even if you want to join, ethnicity is passed on genetically.
I don't know why Carl bothers to engage with dishonest actors like this
I don't think he's dishonest. I believe he's just never thought about it in depth.
@loganblackwood2922 who doesn't think the English see themselves as a distinct people who belong here?
Carl is getting more and more obsessed with racial genetics
@@OG-dp1kx Which is weird considering he’s part black African.
@@OG-dp1kx That's because racial genetics are real and Carl's decade of denying it is becoming untenable, even to him.
Just because you’re here doesn’t make you English, or European, or even American. Freedom of association and self determination NOW!
To answer the question at 7:45 as to whether the hosts Jewish family arriving in 1800 makes him English or not... did they integrate and marry or keep to themselves? doesn't sound like it, so no.
@@davestevenson9080 I mean, he seems pretty English to me, culturally speaking. I didn’t even know he was Jewish until he said he was Jewish. Seems like an integrated person.
That's a great point, but it still assumes that a foreign ethnicity can become English, which Carl would refute. I would refute it ethnically, but then I don't claim that being English is entirely based on one's ethnicity.
@@jafwilding Carl wouldn't refute somebody with 7/8ths of their ancestry being english and another 1/8th from somewhere else is english, which is what would have happened if the hosts family had properly integrated from 1800
He was acting very Jewish from the first minute in @@kaifreyleue5961
@@kaifreyleue5961just a chameleon who will, when convenient, say, "I'm not White, I'm etc etc etc "
The Iberian 5% is probably from a Sephardic ancestor who intermarried with the Ashkenazi ones.
Celts and Anglos also can be traced back their shared source as Indo Europeans on the Pontiac Caspian Steppe. There are distinctions and admixture in the branches but it's the same tree.
The steppi tribe came before the celtic tribe in Britain and Ireland and neolithic people from anatolia turkey all part of celtic dna the English arrived after Romans left Britain the Norman's vikings took over England and invaded Britain and Ireland so we mixed with them than the German Anglo-Saxon and Swedish Danish vikings took over England and invaded Britain and Ireland so that's what Britain and Ireland are mixed with king John's castle I'm limerick Norman's vikings built it and anglo saxons German Swedish Danish took the castle over mixture British people know we from Europe lol
The steppi people were from a different age the celtic people took over as with neolithic ansesters lol highest dna ij irish is spainish first homosapens in Ireland
@audreyroche9490 True that the Bell Beakers were the first Indo Europeans in Britain but the Celtic speakers were in Britain centuries before the Romans, I want say around 500 B.C. but I'd have to look it up to be accurate. There's plenty of archeological and linguistic evidence.
Indo European knowledge should be more common in Europe but you'd be amazed how uncommon and even suppressed it is in America and I have met plenty of Europeans who are unaware so I'm just putting it out there. It's important to trace the roots.
The indigenous population of the UK was white for thousands of years. Within the last 80 years that has changed and the white population is being chipped away at. Maybe over the next 400 years it will make very little difference but for right now.. the impact is huge.
Andrew, I refuse to believe that the English ethnicity was a "foreign concept" to you.
I think the confusion is between the national/cultural identity of English (open to anyone in England who embraces English identity) and the ethnicity of "English" (which require English ancestry)
English has been an ethnicity since 1066 if not much older if you dont include the Norman mix.
Why is it hard to understand that English is an ethnicity like Jewish is?
15 minutes of arguing an obvious point .
That's pilpul for you
Is this considered arguing in Europe?
Sorry, I don't agree with any of this. Culture is primarily about shared values and beliefs. Where, for example, the Swedes miscalculated badly is that they thought that if they were generous and invited people from faraway lands to live with them they would instantly become 'different looking Swedes', and would easily integrate. Nope. If a million white people from Northern England were suddenly transported to Saudi Arabia, they wouldn't suddenly pick up the Arabic / Islamic culture (unless under threat of extreme force).
Ethnicity is a word and it has a meaning. Carl refuses to be pinned down about what ethnicity is and is not. It appears to be a chaotic maelstrom formed by genes, culture, and how one feels. Good luck understanding what it is then. It’s just a convenient vector of attack for his incoherent critique of what he calls liberalism. And good luck understanding Carl’s definition of liberalism as well.
The oy vey is 95% ashkenazi, so not English, as his family never bred outside his small hat tribe.
Found the stupid antisemite lol.
I can’t tell if the host is just playing dumb or this is actually how Jewish people think in general. Has this thinking spread to the rest of the world or has it been imposed unnaturally through domination from a certain tribe?
I'm Jewish and I was bothered by Andrew's ignorance. Please don't collectively blame Jews for this.
Found the woke racist.
One big part of ethnicity is if others in the ethnicity see you as one of their own.
If anyone can become ethnically English by virtue of living there, then anyone can declare themselves ethnically African if they live there, too...
Look up Afrikaners - a group of white Africans of European descent that claim to be a distinctly African ethnicity, not European.
@kaifreyleue5961 that's great and all, but I doubt anyone on the left would even entertain such a notion...
@@biostemm Why should anyone care what leftists think?
@@biostemm It doesn't matter what the left thinks. Afrikaners are a group found on the African continent, they consider themselves African and South Africa as their native homeland, not Europe.
But Carl, I feel English! 🏴🇺🇸
America is an Anglo Saxon country
@@longiusaescius2537 it’s not lol
@@samstits8982 It literally is though
you cant change YOUR ethnicity, but you can change your children's
One shouldn't.
Exactly
You can create children that belong nowhere, an unkind thing to do.
@@20x20OK woke leftist.
The idea that someone would be shocked that English is an ethnicity. Like what ethnicity did he think they are???
My ethnicity is English. My family has been in America since the 1500s, but if you do my genetics and look at my cultural upbringing I'm an English American. But unlike others, using that kind of hyphenated is stupid to country unity.
Who are you loyal to?
@@djangogeek I might be of Chinese/Thai descent, but as an American, my loyalty isn't to the blood that flows through my veins, but the Flag that I swore to bleed for. Because at the end of the day, when a man dies, and his blood dries and time passes, the only thing people will know is what flag will fly over his grave.
@djangogeek that would be the best question asked of those who hyphenate. If you assuage the the culture, the history, the pride, and all that it is to be of one people over the one you happen to be genetically connected to, you are NOT loyal to the one you live in but the one you are genetically attached.
Therefore there can be a question of loyalty but loyalty and ethnicity are two separate measures.
Regarding Americans it would depend if you accept a no valid race for what is American or do you accept that America was founded for English colonist and it invited other culture and races. That is a completely different debate.
As far as ethnicity goes, my genetics are English and the traditional American culture is primarily based on English colonist. My ethnicity is English.
What would be interesting is if there was a way to create an American ethnicity. At this time tho it does not exist. There is an American culture, which is unfortunately disparaged in many circles especially those are helped by the culture.
Again a hope for a later time.
@@hdw237 there is no need to “create” an American ethnicity as it already exists. For the majority of US history only people of English/Germanic ethnic heritage were fully recognized as belonging to the national identity.
@djangogeek that is possible. Of course there are history and cultural norms that came from the Catholic Spanish and French. I am of a mind that the very basis of what is foundational American is based on the English colonist who won Independence and farther back the Purtain colonist that established the colonies the later Revolutionary would come from.
It is an interesting topic of discussion.
People use ethnicity to refer to different things which makes it hard to have a discussion. Some consider it to be culture, others genetic. In my view if it is simply genetic then it should only matter to describe your appearance or for your doctor who may need it for some medical conditions. If it’s culture then obviously that isn’t determined by your genetics so it isn’t decided when you are born as he has said.
His ethnicity definition made very little sense, just like many of his arguments in general. First he says black child adopted by English parents can't be English because you can't change ethnicity, it's something you're born with. Then he says ethnicity is culture, traditions and how you feel in the heart. Why can't you adopt these? Then he says Jewish is ethnicity because you can identify it with a DNA test. And then very small percentage of his DNA is English, but he self identifies as English lol
Exactly.
Ethnicity is a genetic heritage. A black kid adopted as an infant will continue to be whatever Ethnicity they are, but could easily be culturally the same as the adoptive parents.
There problem lies in the easily discerned visual differences in members of a culture.
It's easy to spot the black British kid running around with the white British kids. Same as it's easy to spot the Jewish kids running around with the German kinder.
Making society about Ethnicity rather than a shared culture is problematic.
@@rasputintouring9014 Yeah Carl was completely fucking incoherent in this video. I have no idea how so many of these comments think he’s making a lick of sense.
Exactly my point. Well put.
@ralphengland8559 here's where the biggest problem lies, in the Anglo countries many who are obviously not genetically Anglo have come (sometimes illegally) to those countries to partake in the wealth and opportunities of those countries. BUT they do not embrace the CULTURE, they instead hyphenate themselves and embrace and show pride in the culture they are genetically attached to. Their genetic culture being one that created failed states of poverty and inequality.
So the ETHNIC Anglos are being forced to give of the rewards of their culture to a substandard one that is unable to achieve those rewards on their own merit.
Yes, ethnicity is a combination of culture and genetics. No, you cannot be a ethnicity if you are without the genetic markers.
David lamy is African West Indian and English but seemingly the English can’t have their ethnic identity
It’s in the name. England is the land of the English. A people with a shared culture, language, and historical borders. You can live in England and not be English ethnically. Until the mixing of ethnicities becomes so pervasive that you can’t distinguish one from the other, you’re not ethnically English.
Have a online Petition 'demanding' that no one can be elected to high political office, local or otherwise without having three and more generations born in England. The same as Japan! (only 1 subscribed - could have gone to a Parliamentary Debate with most of those "non - English" deciding the outcome! -
I have been making the same suggestion for some time now. However, I would set the bar on five generations. We are already on the 3rd generation in some places and it's not looking good.
Oh....I am black of African Origin, brought up in England, taught by English people, loved by English people, given everything I am by English people...all the time, I was thinking I was English....I guess I'm not... Couldn't I be an adopted English. I know, I am also African as well though!
Im a Scot living in England, I'll adopt ya, screw having dual nationalities have tri- 😁
You are not English, you are an African.
Mr Benjamin is missing something here, though I think we get his general point. The problem is that he keeps confusing himself with his own definitions of culture and ethnicity. “English” is both an ethnicity AND a nationality. Same with Italian and Japanese and Spanish, etc.
The words ethnicity (from Greek: ethnos) and nationality (from Latin: natio) both refer to a people.
The problem is that "replacism", as some specific ad hoc ideology aimed at "Western" or European nations, is not and can not be explicitly ideologically defined by its proponents without exposing their goal as negative. Negative, as in, that there is no core people that their belief belongs to or could sustain (only a process they can try to force on others), and negative, as in, the host nation is explicitly losing something by changing its demographic composition. Whether all ethnic change has to be seen as negative is another topic, but the whole discussion is disallowed in the first place, because any criticism would have to be targeted at foreign ethnicities. Not to mention that the origin nations are often numerous and increasing in their number, while the host nation is decreasing from the falling birthrate alone.
Deconstructing national identity into an individualist buerocracy has the same goal and meaning as destroying a native ethnicity. There is no "rational" conception of the nation that can juggle its migrant ethnicities in the West today, nor do they want one if it meant confirming the existence of European ethnicities.
I'm beyond glad that we English are finally allowing ourselves to talk about our ethnicity and what that means in our current situation.
I don't identify either of these as English.
The distinction between is between English and British.
British is the state, English is the people who make the state.
A person can BECOME British by naturalization, but to become English, it requires adoption into the inherent genealogy of the English.
What if, like me, you have ancestors from England, Scotland, and Wales? That is what I would consider to be a British ethnicity.
@@jafwildingYeah all my ancestors are from Scotland, Ireland Wales and England so it's hard to identify with just one. If asked I just say my ethnicity is British
The fact that people think they can change immutable characteristics makes me lose faith in humanity. Maybe AI needs to take over ffs 🤦🏼
It's like Chess. There are rules that can't be broken, otherwise it isn't Chess. But there are still multiple different things that you can do within those rules.
Yes it's an ethnicity and the English are white it's not hard.. nor do I have a problem with someone who migrates to England calling themselves English.. they may not be correct but it's no biggy and is a good indicator to integration
A nation is a group of people united by culture, language, ancestry and ethnicity.
I work with a lot of Hmong people here in the US. I think that someone who immigrates to a new country and tries to assimilate into culture will never completely fit into it. On top of that, I've noticed that the second-generation Hmong-Americans are in a hybrid position culturally. Hmong culture is very tight-knit and there are tens of thousands in the area, so they maintain a lot of their culture here in the US. The people born here watch American movies, celebrate American holidays, and grew up in American culture, but still do Hmong cultural practices (the language, food, shamanism, etc.) at home and with their community. They really are a hyphenated ethnicity.
By the third generation, I'd assume they're finally 100% American, or close to it, but it still depends on the effort to assimilate. If a Hmong-American marries another Hmong-American, their kids will likely be the same. If, instead, they marry someone from outside of the community, I think the kids will be just like most other Americans.
Carl's suit is a hate crime
@rasputintouring9014 yes, it looks cheap.
It looked like he'd slept in it.
At least he is wearing a suit in a world of graphic tshirts, hoodies, and sliders.
@@Nylon_riot a cheap suit looks worse than no suit.
Jewish! Oh , No wonder he seems unsure . This only applies to Western Europe. If i ( Englishman ) live or born in Africa, Asia. - I am still English to them.
No he’s unsure because he’s right . There is no pure anything .Jewish people are the perfect example for this.
So he's basically catching up with what Richard Spencer tried to tell him 15 years ago.
7:30 ...and there you have it.
English itself has this ambiguity wherein English is a nationality and an ethnicity both, leading in turn to people conflating nationality and ethnicity. Here in the USA, it’s obvious that “to be an American” (vernacular for USA citizen) is not to be of any specific ethno group. Anglo-Euros are citizens but so are any number of other ethnic groups. In this way US English diverges from English English. Americans are a different ethnicity.
Karl. You're diggin a hole
It's when people generationally choose not to integrate... they choose to set themselves apart
I'm an American, with lineages spanning the world. I am interested in many cultures, yet due to economic circumstances I have no real home.
As much as I would love to settle down somewhere, I am doomed to remain a rolling stone.
The host should know that the Jewish people as a tribe don't view converts the same way they view ethnically born Jews
Even if your father is ethnically Jewish and your mother is not you're not considered ethnically Jewish
"Bigotry of Low Expectations" I am so glad this term is spreading.
It's been widespread and well known for half a century at least.
@@mahguvnah7403 Then whybha sit only recently picked up speed?
@@joeyginise6051 because its what the woke and sjw types decry as racism.
There is a genetic substrate upon which a particular cultural heritage is built upon to form an ethnicity.
That's why even in England you have different sub cultures. Someone who's historically from East Anglia is going to have a slightly different cultural background than someone from Wessex.
I'm from the US and it hurts my heart seeing what's happened to England but it made me realize not all immigrants are the same. There is a huge difference between the Christian Central Americans & such that we seem to get and the Pakistani's & such you all have taken on.
Dear Carl Benjamin,
The English weren't kicked out from India, the British empire was kicked out. There was a sizeable community of Anglo Indians who were guaranteed reservations as minority status within India to ensure they face no violence or discrimination even if they chose to live in India, as many did. It wasn't an ethnic conflict.
I was surprised he didn't use the example of Algeria
Host seemingly just doesn't want to get it. Carl did a good job explaining it though.
Watch him try to tapdance around saying it's ok for the dude to id as English bc he's white 😂
He then says we would want other people to come here and breed with English people which we obviously don't when that would irradiate the English. Carl starts well but cucks as the pressure builds.
That just didn't happen.
It breaks down on multiple levels. While a New Yorker and a Texan will both identify as American, you can't simply transplant one to the other. That's the reason there was so much pushback to the California Exodus as they merely exported California's culture rather than adopting the local culture.
You can feel this ethnic split in the US as well, even among different European ancestries. Of course we're all American, but I notice a change in my own family who is half German ancestry and the other is English. I ate Thanksgiving with the German half and was shocked by seeing Spetzle as a dish and everyone was 6' 5" and blonde (sure, they were my cousins but still). I'm halfway joking but there seriously is a difference and if you have a multi-ethnic country, you'd better prepare to unite them somehow. Immigrant nations have managed to do this through CivNat traditions. You need to bring them together or else they will find a tribe and chances are, it won't be yours.
And the real racists won't stop screaming about race, they force everything to center around race, and then smugly judge others over their race while knowing the others would be publicly crucified if they did it in turn. As a white man, I only started caring in _any_ capacity about race when I was constantly judged for mine. _Weird how the times change._
@@CorundumDevil Agree, it was a combo of villainizing all White people and then me finding out population of each race world wide.
@@TT09B5 they baleeted me :[
thing is though, europeans may have customs unique from each other but are overall more similar than different when compared to other groups (african/latin/arabian/asian) so when people say how "america was built by immigration" to justify an opening of the border is strange as it was only built by european immigration
American isnt an ethnicity, its a nationality. I was raised in a mixed Italian/Polish family and the two sides had different traditions, blended on American ice. In my case, I identify more strongly with my Italian side, so I say Im Italian. According to Italy, I have a claim if I choose it. So, Im Italian ethnically, and of American nationally. Im part of both groups.
FULL AGREEMENT!! So many cases where I'd love to publicly comment on ridiculous current events however I already work in education and in the current increasingly authoritarian environment of the UK, I don't feel safe to speak out. Things have changed. Makes me want to move to the USA where free speech is enshrined in their constitution.
Doesn't Carl Benjamin sometimes mention his non ethnically English/British grandfather? By his own standards, he is 25% non-English.
@@davidadiwego4608 Not only is his grandfather not English, he’s not even white. He was a mulatto from Saint Helena
He did
Sure, but that has nothing to do with his ethnicity. There is no requirement that a person has to have 100% English ancestry to be part of that ethnic group.
@@leventehorvath8562 Really? Ancestry is an element of ethnicity; a crucial one if ethnicity is only heritable. What's the cut-off point, roughly, where someone's ancestry makes them non English, 51%?
@@kaifreyleue5961 Well, my "non ethnically English/British" and your "not...white" is the same thing, isn't it?
There are many examples, such as Jewish ethnicity. This ethnicity has been maintained outside of Israel.
Then why does Carl Benjamin keep pushing a Nigerian raised in Saudi Arabia as being an example of a British citizen with British values ?
If Nzube is british, than why would ethnicity matter ?
British is not an ethnicity. Carl wasn't talking about the British identity but the ethnic English identity. Zuby is British not English. Please actually listen.
because he makes an exception for people who prove themselves to be culturally english, he said so in this interview
In my humble opinion someone born in a country, having foreign parents can occupy any position they wish once they are beyond any shadow of a doubt regarding their love for their country, their cultural values, and their group allegiance. If you display a greater love for your religious group, you try to favor people who came from the country of your parents, or you care more about the interests of another nation more than your own, you should be disqualified and deemed a traitor.
A good historical example would be the Bernadotte royal family in Sweden. The guy was a French general put there by Napoleon. After a few years he wrote a letter like: "I am the king of the Swedes now and I must fight you on the battlefields of Europe. I take no pleasure in this blah blah, it's my duty towards my new nation". Napoleon understood and accepted it as honorable duty and not a treason. Napoleon himself when he conquered Italy he chastised some ruler who reminded him of his Corsican roots and Italian ancestry.
I think that's the honorable thing to do, 200 years ago, and in the present. The moment you value your religion, family roots, or social group more than the interests of your new nation THEN you should be punished for it IMHO, not being discriminated beforehand regardless of your patriotism.
it seems like Carl hasn’t fully fleshed this out
Did you even watch the same clip? He has this pretty well thought out.
Probably because ethnicity isn't the totality of his world-view.
@@RealMrBruh He seemingly contradicts himself on numerous occasions
@@bSMith266 because there are exceptions to every rule, and when you live on the edge case, such that what the interviewer is doing, it is easy to poke holes in any belief system. But the exception tends to prove the rule, not break it
@@Hackattack7 he was not discussing edge cases. One example, he said ethnicity is a feeling, well if so then it is fully self identifiable. The host even picks him up on it.
15:30 yeah, because we have a french revolutionary tradition, just like sargon talked about "feeling english" the same thing happens in argentina, these migrants came in and their kids become natives, like adoptees, so now they've become part of the "us" group. very hard thing for anglos to understand, except for carl, who gets it.
I'm sure that there is an ethnicity that is English, Anglo Saxon etc. But English is also a nationality. Carl doesn't believe that anyone who isn't white can be English. To me this is one step away from white supremacy, which i know he isn't. There's a Muslim that I met online, and he doesn't even live in England, he lives in Sweden. But he is a complete Anglophile. When it's the King's birthday, he puts a Union Flag up on Facebook, and says "God save the King, God Bless UK." My opinion is that he is more British, even though he's obviously not, than someone like Owen Jones, who hates this country, and actively tries to run it down, as well as its history and culture. But I would rather have a guy like that (assuming he's genuine), than Jones. I wonder what Carl thinks about that.
This is complete nonsense. You can be a self hating englishman and a traitor yes but you'd be english. English is a very old ethnicity now, over 1000 years old plus man thousands for other native Britons. You can't suddenly skip that and become english overnight. It's farcical.
The guy in Sweden is what you'd call a poser. I can fly a Mexican flag but that will not make me Mexican. Your viewpoint is extremely modern, like less than 20 years old, and it's not holding up.
@@smelltheglove2038 My concern is that he's disingenuous, and pretends to like English things because if he can come here, he'll get free stuff.
@@jafwilding I think that is a fair assumption to make. People can deceive especially when there is a lot to gain from it.
No the English have been subsumed into a multi-ethnic empire. The nationality now is a collection of ethnicities. No attempts are even made to make people more English they just let anyone in and let them find their own way.