Hey there guys, FYI Spiderwire makes a 60 pound test braided fishing line that should work in that reel just fine. They may have even stronger stuff than that for saltwater fishing.
The stuff i’ve seen back home in nfld is the size of automotive electrical wire, and usually green or yellow. But hot damn it can lift a hefty load. Once pulled a cod that was up to my neck when i was ten. Often times there are four or five different hooks at the bottom of the line.
Yeah the answer is beach casting shock leader type fishing line. It's elastic and is designed to take high g forces when slinging a weight at the end of a 4 meter rod, it should be prefect.
I work on a charter boat. We only use 30 pound mono. For something like that plane you don't even need a 10 lbs test. The stronger the braid the less likely it will break. For gliders you want that line to easily break at the proper altitude
@@jamesTBurke you actually release the line, don't break it. Also the most force on the line is on takeoff, at the proper attitude it will actually be flying and will weigh basically nothing. I'd go 60 just simply because it exists and it may save them a video or large plane in the future
the surgical tubing used for physical therapy loops would be good, and you can select between several "grades" of stretch..... my thought was the bungee material used in Hi-start tow launches for gliders....it'll stretch out 2-3 times is regular length, a dozen feet or so should give lots of "cushion" to soakup the shockload and reduce the instantaneous loading on the attachments.....
@@GaragebandandBeyond The real tow rope was braided nylon, the air tow line from the C-47 was steel cable. The stretch in the nylon part was I think all the shock absorption in the system. The C-47 slowed by about 40 knots while the CG-4A gained about 100. The "real" would freewheel at first then the brake would set progressively. The acceleration couldn't have been too much because the "snag" recovery was used for medevac operations. Great video!
I liked the words on the whiteboard behind you as you were on about the sponsors. A Giant B17 is going to be fantastic. I’d love too see a Giant Lancaster & Spitfire, Hurricane, Mosquito….
How cool is that? This gives one hope. My dream as a kid was to serve in the USAF as two of my older brothers had, but I wanted to attend the Academy and become a pilot. God didn't see that as my flight path since my eyes aren't up to snuff, actually legally blind in one eye, and some back issues as well, so that dream was shot down early on. But, with a rig like this, "flying" may yet be possible even for this 67 yr old ground pounder. How fun! Thanks for the videos, guys.
Of course it's possible! Now more than ever, we need people like you to join the hobby. I won't speak for everyone, but a lot of us really enjoy helping others get into the hobby. Take the first step, you'll find many kind and helpful people along the way.
Wow, amazing story! God can do great things in the ways we least expect. Remember, Gods plans aren't always what we expect or want. But "All things work together for the good of those who love the Lord."
@@thedoctor4637 , aw Doc, I'm nothing special. None of the services would take me, so I just became a dumb ol' electrical engineer. Worked in several industries; aerospace, petrochemicals, plastics and finished up in coal and gas turbine power plants. It paid the bills. Fortunately along the way I decided to do what could for the Lord as well. The best part is He let me sing for Him. Still love that part.
In model rocketry, we often put a rubber band or bungee on the parachute cord so that when it deploys, the shock is absorbed and the cord doesn't snap. I think that it would be a good idea to try this next time so that the tow line doesn't snap. This was a really fun video, thanks! 🧡
This was so cool as my dad flew a C47 at Normandy, Sicily, and dropped fuel to George Patton. He was a staff sergeant pilot in the Army Air Force and got his college degree when it became the U.S.A.F. so he could continue flying. He didn't drag gliders around he dropped paratroopers. The gliders were not a great success as many of them crashed while trying to find a place to land.10 years after my dad retired I went active as an aircraft instrument systems repairman working on C14 Starlifters. Great videos guys keep up the awesome work.
WOW! As a (former) glider pilot, I am really thrilled with this Waco! Especially the remote chair, wow, wow! How about a RC scale 1:1 Waco towing behind a real DC-3...? That would do great on Oskosh.... That has never been done before. There has no Waco been flying after the war. If you pull this, I'll come over and polish your shoes..
Been mentioned in other comments, but in the spirit of diy, some shock cord the type that goes in fibreglass tent poles should do the trick . Putting some of this in the tow line will give you the ability to adjust the tension/springiness by changing the length and adding pieces in parallel.
Use some spectra line and a big tuna treble hook. Actually on second thought spectra is a bad idea, it melts easily when two lines rub together at high speed and has no stretch. Some quality heavier mono would be the ticket. Maybe a Winch servo to progressively tighten the drag.
Hi guys you may have already thought of this but a possible solution is to insert a length of fishing pole elastic or thin bungie cord. It might help to act as a shock absorber and reduce the sudden strain on tow mounts.
This setup, but a spring inline with the tow string. One on the tow craft and one on the glider. That should prevent a hard jerk that would break it. That and tougher fishing line.
You must have some shock absorber like several rubber bands in your line. We used to tow small cars with 2 or 3 car tire inner tubes laced together. Smoothest tow from a stand-still ever.
Hey guys, my step-fathers late father was an RAF pilot in ww2, flying DC3's. He was one of the RAF pilots that worked on the 'sky hook glider' project. He told me that it was an amazing experience! They destroyed countless gliders, pulling the winches clean out of them and the DC3's, ripping the front off the gliders and in a one incident destroying the tail of his DC3. They would fly as close to stall as possible then throttle up as soon as they hooked the glider. His name was Arnold Geoffrey Barker, from South Wales, UK, just in case you can find him or a reference to him and his flight records.
As always this Old Man from North Carolina loving it. You guys are so awesome in what you dream up. Love all your videos. Been a fan since almost day 1. ✈️😎💝
Try using the solution that cable tow wakeboarding uses. Put the net off to one side of the glider, so that the line is perpendicular to the direction of flight. When the plane hooks the net it will allow the forces to gradually increase on the plane and glider, slowly increasing the gliders speed. It looks like the black and white video did that as well (not just to keep the hook free of the glider but also to use trigonometry to manage forces/acceleration).
Have tried the shock cord and although it helps in over-coming the inertia of the towed craft, there is a point when the cord snaps back quite quickly and can rip the wings off. You must have had a load of fun trying this out, I remember we did. Great video and a special thanks to the guys handling the quads.
So cool! I'm not sure how involved he was, but after my grandfather's passing found photos of these gliders & the MESS that breaking system could turn into. Also have a photo of one of those C47s flying over a runway, from a moving vehicles perspective.
My Father in law was Glider and Airborne qualified in WWII and I still have his wings. He said the Waco was scary. We have one at the Airnorne Museum here in downtown Fayetteville NC. Pronounced Wayco not WAAco.
How very cool... as always. Thanks, guys. Curious: did you consider using a small length of shock-cord? I would think that spreading the energy of the event out over a longer period - reducing the "impulse" - would reduce the tensile strength required at any point. Just a thought, totally dig your videos.
Great video! I like the shallow depth of field with the low aperture on the cameras since it was dark; you might consider doing more of that even at midday, cause it really ads a polished look to the content. 👍 Good job.
Great video! Thank you! Perhaps you need to introduce some sort of elastic band to soften the sudden jerk of the tow line, and also slow down the tow plane at the moment of capture.
LoL! You should build a C-47 that can push a "stick"of 1/6 paratroopers ( a trolley system in the fuselage) with working parachutes (simple static lines). I'll bet your team could do it in a weekend! 😉😸 you guys are incredible!
For the shock absorption you could tie some rubber bands into the line so that the line would be tight near the end of the stretch of the rubber bands... more rubber bands, more shock absorption.
If you directly drive a motor to the spool it should generate electricity and as you increase resistance that should also increase drag kinda like dynamic braking.
That c-47 is beautiful and looks super realistic, in my opinion I think it would look a lot better if you dropped a bunch of toy parachutes out of it. Just like that one episode with dropping the car out of a plane
I really love your approach to rc, simpler, than the extreme realist, effective, and obviously ( after watching several vids) efficient. Numerous injuries, non flight related, have made it increasingly difficult to paraglide. I don't want to lose flight, if you know what I mean, I have disposable income, ergo the pg, but don't really know what the cost of such an airframe and control system would be...?
lines that break may have to be replaced with fine steel wire any plywood parts that break off from the nose should be soaked in CA thin adhesives to keep the wood grain together.
Different line has different elasticity - fishing line typically has more "give" to it than most common nylon cord. (On sport main and reserve parachutes, we use Dacron for some things because it stretches, but Spectra does not, although it's less bulky with equal or better strength.)
make the front frame made fully from a light but strong mettle and than if you get the streachyest of the workout bands than cut it and put it inside of the big guy than it will 100% work
The whole issue is the initial impact of the line tension. If you guys make a small scale block and tackle system inside the Waco and a spring hold down that will take up that impact and allow a less violent catch and tow. Actually in either plane or even both would work better then the fishing real and drag thing.
You want shockleader type of fishing line, it's elastic to take exactly the type of high strength quick forces your putting on the line when you grab it.
That string is likely binding up so the drag does not work. I would have just put in a bungie or something to just soften the start. You need head tracking and the PVP camera on a gimbal. That makes the PVP 1000x more realistic.
Guy even with all the snags in the project its been a blast to watch y'all work and fly. I don't know if this might help but have y'all tried printing a airframe to attach the equipment too? have fun, keep fly and stay cool.
My grandfather did a glider snatch to evacuate wounded as a glider pilot in ww2.He said some pilots were killed when the tow rope would break and snap back.
after a week of snatch tests, the staff officer demanded to be in test. Waco’s had a bench running down each side with belts for each position and on long belt covering all positions. The officer and his staff all set on one bench and only fastened the long belt. They would not listen to safety instructions.
For the FPV chair they should like add monitors in the front and sides then make the interior look like a planes then they should like fly a plane in it. It would make it so realistic!
Go to nordvpn.com/flitetest to get a 2-year plan plus 4 additional months with a huge discount.
You need a dual bungee incorporated to the tow line to absorb the initial shock.....
Hey there guys, FYI Spiderwire makes a 60 pound test braided fishing line that should work in that reel just fine. They may have even stronger stuff than that for saltwater fishing.
The stuff i’ve seen back home in nfld is the size of automotive electrical wire, and usually green or yellow. But hot damn it can lift a hefty load. Once pulled a cod that was up to my neck when i was ten. Often times there are four or five different hooks at the bottom of the line.
Yeah the answer is beach casting shock leader type fishing line.
It's elastic and is designed to take high g forces when slinging a weight at the end of a 4 meter rod, it should be prefect.
I work on a charter boat. We only use 30 pound mono. For something like that plane you don't even need a 10 lbs test. The stronger the braid the less likely it will break. For gliders you want that line to easily break at the proper altitude
@@jamesTBurke you actually release the line, don't break it. Also the most force on the line is on takeoff, at the proper attitude it will actually be flying and will weigh basically nothing. I'd go 60 just simply because it exists and it may save them a video or large plane in the future
I was about to comment about trying braided. Yeah saltwater would do great
You missed the bungie section of the tow rope. There needs to be something to transfer that forward energy more delicately.Awesome video as always!
Matt's Recovery Rope! Yankum needs to make kinetic string!
the surgical tubing used for physical therapy loops would be good, and you can select between several "grades" of stretch.....
my thought was the bungee material used in Hi-start tow launches for gliders....it'll stretch out 2-3 times is regular length, a dozen feet or so should give lots of "cushion" to soakup the shockload and reduce the instantaneous loading on the attachments.....
That was the purpose of the fishing reel with the drag set to absorb shock.
@@chucksherron Didn't work.
@@GaragebandandBeyond The real tow rope was braided nylon, the air tow line from the C-47 was steel cable. The stretch in the nylon part was I think all the shock absorption in the system. The C-47 slowed by about 40 knots while the CG-4A gained about 100. The "real" would freewheel at first then the brake would set progressively. The acceleration couldn't have been too much because the "snag" recovery was used for medevac operations. Great video!
I liked the words on the whiteboard behind you as you were on about the sponsors. A Giant B17 is going to be fantastic.
I’d love too see a Giant Lancaster & Spitfire, Hurricane, Mosquito….
What if they made a giant zepplin?
Or a gotha bomber. If a n ME163
Jonathan Bates I think they already made a zeppelin
How cool is that? This gives one hope. My dream as a kid was to serve in the USAF as two of my older brothers had, but I wanted to attend the Academy and become a pilot. God didn't see that as my flight path since my eyes aren't up to snuff, actually legally blind in one eye, and some back issues as well, so that dream was shot down early on. But, with a rig like this, "flying" may yet be possible even for this 67 yr old ground pounder. How fun!
Thanks for the videos, guys.
Of course it's possible! Now more than ever, we need people like you to join the hobby. I won't speak for everyone, but a lot of us really enjoy helping others get into the hobby. Take the first step, you'll find many kind and helpful people along the way.
Wow, amazing story! God can do great things in the ways we least expect. Remember, Gods plans aren't always what we expect or want. But "All things work together for the good of those who love the Lord."
@@thedoctor4637 , aw Doc, I'm nothing special. None of the services would take me, so I just became a dumb ol' electrical engineer. Worked in several industries; aerospace, petrochemicals, plastics and finished up in coal and gas turbine power plants. It paid the bills.
Fortunately along the way I decided to do what could for the Lord as well. The best part is He let me sing for Him. Still love that part.
In model rocketry, we often put a rubber band or bungee on the parachute cord so that when it deploys, the shock is absorbed and the cord doesn't snap. I think that it would be a good idea to try this next time so that the tow line doesn't snap. This was a really fun video, thanks! 🧡
make lots of little loops in the tow cable and place rubber bands on them to act and a shock cord.
SO MUCH FUN! Thanks for having us!!
This was so cool as my dad flew a C47 at Normandy, Sicily, and dropped fuel to George Patton. He was a staff sergeant pilot in the Army Air Force and got his college degree when it became the U.S.A.F. so he could continue flying. He didn't drag gliders around he dropped paratroopers. The gliders were not a great success as many of them crashed while trying to find a place to land.10 years after my dad retired I went active as an aircraft instrument systems repairman working on C14 Starlifters. Great videos guys keep up the awesome work.
WOW! As a (former) glider pilot, I am really thrilled with this Waco! Especially the remote chair, wow, wow! How about a RC scale 1:1 Waco towing behind a real DC-3...? That would do great on Oskosh.... That has never been done before. There has no Waco been flying after the war. If you pull this, I'll come over and polish your shoes..
Josh, your enthusiasm is infectious!
Been mentioned in other comments, but in the spirit of diy, some shock cord the type that goes in fibreglass tent poles should do the trick . Putting some of this in the tow line will give you the ability to adjust the tension/springiness by changing the length and adding pieces in parallel.
Love Josh’s enthusiasm. The glue that holds it all together and blesses so many of us. Great job!!
Fishing reel... genius off-the-shelf solution. You might try Spectra line in the future.
I want that pilot simulator so much! You can pilot a plane but without the danger of crashing with you inside, it is like a dream came true
How about adding some rubber exercise bands to that hook to take the initial shock load.
Use some spectra line and a big tuna treble hook. Actually on second thought spectra is a bad idea, it melts easily when two lines rub together at high speed and has no stretch. Some quality heavier mono would be the ticket. Maybe a Winch servo to progressively tighten the drag.
Lmao...Josh says , "We're gonna get you nice and high brother". 16:43 "Love it".
Hi guys you may have already thought of this but a possible solution is to insert a length of fishing pole elastic or thin bungie cord. It might help to act as a shock absorber and reduce the sudden strain on tow mounts.
Great idea.
I was a full size glider pilot . I do not think many people could do as well as that . On their first flight , and to land it too , well done sir !
My grandfather was a Waco pilot. This is so awesome!! I’d love to come out and fly with you guys!!
Giant b17!!!!!!! I saw the board in the background. Sooo excited for it!!!!!!!
Dave is an essential part of the business now.. don’t ever let that guy leave...!
This setup, but a spring inline with the tow string. One on the tow craft and one on the glider. That should prevent a hard jerk that would break it. That and tougher fishing line.
13:16 shows Peter on camara and dose not look whistles and great success!
You must have some shock absorber like several rubber bands in your line. We used to tow small cars with 2 or 3 car tire inner tubes laced together. Smoothest tow from a stand-still ever.
14:52 All hot glue guns are cordless if you are quick enough. 😆
Really love both C47 and Waco. Giant B17 you guys rock! How fun. Love these vids.
Hey guys, my step-fathers late father was an RAF pilot in ww2, flying DC3's. He was one of the RAF pilots that worked on the 'sky hook glider' project. He told me that it was an amazing experience! They destroyed countless gliders, pulling the winches clean out of them and the DC3's, ripping the front off the gliders and in a one incident destroying the tail of his DC3. They would fly as close to stall as possible then throttle up as soon as they hooked the glider. His name was Arnold Geoffrey Barker, from South Wales, UK, just in case you can find him or a reference to him and his flight records.
love seeing Peter, even just for a visit.
Try looping rubberbands together. About 6 on each end with string inbetween for a bungie like tow cord.
I can’t be the only one who is excited about the giant B17 that they intentionally left on the white board behind Josh during the NORD VPN ad.
I also saw it and would check if they were someone else who also saw them. and they were they
Peter Sripol and Nate from TKOR in the same episode? What is happening?! 🤯
Put a long strip of elastic (think bungie cord, fruit of the loom wasteband, etc) in the tow line to soften the shock.
Try using shock cord at the nose of the glider. Should reduce the shock to the release and give a bit of boost for take off
Maybe try some shock cord, possibly a few different weights of shock cord in line to buffer the shock and rebound? Keep up the good work!
As always this Old Man from North Carolina loving it. You guys are so awesome in what you dream up. Love all your videos. Been a fan since almost day 1. ✈️😎💝
you need some kind of elastic line that can allow the string to use spring tension when the grapple grabs the line
This was great to see. My great uncle flew the Waco in WWII
Perhaps a length of hi-start rubber at the glider end to ease the launch shock.
Try using the solution that cable tow wakeboarding uses. Put the net off to one side of the glider, so that the line is perpendicular to the direction of flight. When the plane hooks the net it will allow the forces to gradually increase on the plane and glider, slowly increasing the gliders speed. It looks like the black and white video did that as well (not just to keep the hook free of the glider but also to use trigonometry to manage forces/acceleration).
Great to see Nate and Mark from TKOR there.
Need some big rubber bands to take the snap out like a kinetic recovery rope
I'd put some kind of elastic section between the plane and the rope, so there's less jurk on the rope.
Have tried the shock cord and although it helps in over-coming the inertia of the towed craft, there is a point when the cord snaps back quite quickly and can rip the wings off. You must have had a load of fun trying this out, I remember we did. Great video and a special thanks to the guys handling the quads.
So cool! I'm not sure how involved he was, but after my grandfather's passing found photos of these gliders & the MESS that breaking system could turn into. Also have a photo of one of those C47s flying over a runway, from a moving vehicles perspective.
My Father in law was Glider and Airborne qualified in WWII and I still have his wings. He said the Waco was scary. We have one at the Airnorne Museum here in downtown Fayetteville NC. Pronounced Wayco not WAAco.
How very cool... as always. Thanks, guys. Curious: did you consider using a small length of shock-cord? I would think that spreading the energy of the event out over a longer period - reducing the "impulse" - would reduce the tensile strength required at any point. Just a thought, totally dig your videos.
Great video! I like the shallow depth of field with the low aperture on the cameras since it was dark; you might consider doing more of that even at midday, cause it really ads a polished look to the content. 👍 Good job.
you could have tried a big rubber band on the portion of the tow plane side of the rope to absorb some of the jerk or a spring ?
What you need is a length of surgical tubing to take the initial shock of the tow plane. That way it won't keep breaking the tow line of the C-47.
Should try rubber (long enough) part in the tow line when towing during a flite...
Great video! Thank you! Perhaps you need to introduce some sort of elastic band to soften the sudden jerk of the tow line, and also slow down the tow plane at the moment of capture.
Surgical tubing. Will help absorb the initial shock of the connection of hook to tow line.
LoL! You should build a C-47 that can push a "stick"of 1/6 paratroopers ( a trolley system in the fuselage) with working parachutes (simple static lines). I'll bet your team could do it in a weekend! 😉😸 you guys are incredible!
Theyre gonna make a one on one scale millenium falcon oneday
Nice video Nice to see Peter Thank you for inviting him
For the shock absorption you could tie some rubber bands into the line so that the line would be tight near the end of the stretch of the rubber bands... more rubber bands, more shock absorption.
Hey guys. Awesome flight with the Waco today. Loved watching it and hope you can get that snag line squared away!!
Fun to see nate from king of random here. They were the ones who introduced me to guys when they sent you the toilet and had you guys make it fly
You just need a spring mechanism when it snatches it. A bunjie cord may work, but would be too much spring. A small spring on a paracord would be fine
If you directly drive a motor to the spool it should generate electricity and as you increase resistance that should also increase drag kinda like dynamic braking.
That c-47 is beautiful and looks super realistic, in my opinion I think it would look a lot better if you dropped a bunch of toy parachutes out of it. Just like that one episode with dropping the car out of a plane
You should do an Flappy Bird airplane that would be cool
I really love your approach to rc, simpler, than the extreme realist, effective, and obviously ( after watching several vids) efficient. Numerous injuries, non flight related, have made it increasingly difficult to paraglide. I don't want to lose flight, if you know what I mean, I have disposable income, ergo the pg, but don't really know what the cost of such an airframe and control system would be...?
The wheels look awesome on the lift off on the glider
Big boys acting like kids, it's pure fun 👍🙂🇦🇺
Guys what about bungee string as a portion of that tow rope to accomodate transition between stationary and towed.
Hook a servo up to the drag mech so you can increase as your getting pulled. Reduce the shock load.
lines that break may have to be replaced with fine steel wire any plywood parts that break off from the nose should be soaked in CA thin adhesives to keep the wood grain together.
you should use elastic cord to give it room to snag
Really happy to see The Sripool!
This is why I love the internet, thanks
What a beautiful c 47 i love it
OMG Best cross over ever I love King of RandoM!
Amazing! Man, I want to fly that glider setup instead of the B-737. So cool!! 🤘✈️
Different line has different elasticity - fishing line typically has more "give" to it than most common nylon cord. (On sport main and reserve parachutes, we use Dacron for some things because it stretches, but Spectra does not, although it's less bulky with equal or better strength.)
Guys! Perfectly done! You produce fantastic ideas!
make the front frame made fully from a light but strong mettle and than if you get the streachyest of the workout bands than cut it and put it inside of the big guy than it will 100% work
The whole issue is the initial impact of the line tension. If you guys make a small scale block and tackle system inside the Waco and a spring hold down that will take up that impact and allow a less violent catch and tow. Actually in either plane or even both would work better then the fishing real and drag thing.
You need a spring to absorb the initial acceleration.
not spring.. BUNGEE....like the stuff they use for glider Hi-start tow lines...
You want shockleader type of fishing line, it's elastic to take exactly the type of high strength quick forces your putting on the line when you grab it.
the best video of FT ever!
That string is likely binding up so the drag does not work. I would have just put in a bungie or something to just soften the start.
You need head tracking and the PVP camera on a gimbal. That makes the PVP 1000x more realistic.
THAT WAS FANTASTIC TO WATCH. 👏 👌
Could have used a rubber band on a spool to let it spool out then it could have pulled it back in with the resistance, just like a period winch
Really awesome to see the TKOR guys. I haven't been able to watch them since they started using grace.
I really enjoyed this one guys. Thanks
Guy even with all the snags in the project its been a blast to watch y'all work and fly. I don't know if this might help but have y'all tried printing a airframe to attach the equipment too? have fun, keep fly and stay cool.
I have the solution for the pull problem.
Put a spring on the hook so cushion the impact of the pull! Greetings from Paraguay!
My grandfather did a glider snatch to evacuate wounded as a glider pilot in ww2.He said some pilots were killed when the tow rope would break and snap back.
Who would ever dislike these videos?!!!!
Use a couple of rubber bands as a shock absorber to reduce shock on the glider at the time of the snag.
I love these videos. They are so fun and awesome. And I always learn so much about airplanes. PS - The fishing reel idea was genius :-)
after a week of snatch tests, the staff officer demanded to be in test. Waco’s had a bench running down each side with belts for each position and on long belt covering all positions. The officer and his staff all set on one bench and only fastened the long belt. They would not listen to safety instructions.
My friends grandfather had a hand in designing the Waco (Pronounced like the city in Texas. He also piloted one into France on D-Day.
Braided line would work great
How about attaching another reel to the glider? Like that you get a good cushion from both ends.
A heavy tow hook would provide a catenary curve to the towline and that would provide some shock absorption.
For the FPV chair they should like add monitors in the front and sides then make the interior look like a planes then they should like fly a plane in it. It would make it so realistic!