The infected (zombies) in The Last of Us games have fungus growing in their brains which eventually starts to grow out of their heads & spread across the entire body making them either more easy or harder to kill depending on the mutation of the infected host. The 2nd stage (runners) & 3rd stage (stalkers) have heads that are softer & are easy to break, whereas the 4th stage (clickers), 4.5 stage (shamblers) & 5th stage (bloaters) have heads & bodies that are far more harder to break, especially with your bare hands, so a firearm or a high calibre is advisable
In The Last of Us, infected heads explode when Joel bashes them because the mutation makes their skulls much weaker. That's why infected skulls explode and human skulls don't.
I think that should only apply to clickers and stalkers though. Those are the only infected that have been infected long enough that the growth has completely covered their heads. Runners have the same insides as a normal person. And I think not being able to squish people's heads might have been a censorship issues
Cameron: "People *ARE* animals." Damn straight we are! Jordan: "I get people all the time that come to the ER where they've been shot like 8 times and they're still okay, 'relatively alright.'" Yep, a caliber and a human's body works in so many unusual ways.
Cameron is probably my favorite cross-expert co-host (not to imply the other experts aren’t stellar, either). He always asks great questions and has really good chemistry with whoever he’s paired with.
To break the average human neck it requires twice the force as the average weight of the human (approximately) so if its like a fit 400 pound powerlifter he may have the potential to break the neck of someone a quarter his size. Even then just casually flicking the neck to the left or right wont do the job.
It depends on the angle, leverage and if the muscles are actively resisting. If someone is already KO, it will definitely be easier, but still not easy...
Yes, and I think most games show the coming up from behind as choking the person out rather than breaking their neck. It would be much easier to kill someone via strangulation than neck breaking.
A hyena's bite is so much more forceful than a dog's. They're what we call "bone-crushers." They eat the hooves, bones, and even the horns of carrion. If a hyena bites you, flesh is coming off and bones are shattering. A dog can break bones too, but the difference in power and size is huge.
I've heard from various martial arts instructors that there aren't winners in CQC fights, especially ones with knives. There are survivors, but you've both lost if you've needed to get to that point
"Talon knife" it's a karambit, as far as I can tell, and that's actually for your index finger not your thumb, since you're generally supposed to hold it reverse grip with the blade. Someone who's good with a karambit is utterly terrifying in CQC
Just a point to note: in TLOU I and II, it's only the infected that get their heads smushed in from melee attacks like that. The normal humans still have "max integrity" in regards to their bone strength. Little attention to detail that ND put into the games.
Can we get like a mix of The Doc, Martial Artists, & Sword Masters react & recreate the For Honor Executions? You could literally just do one faction at a time. I know some of it's hella unrealistic but be cool either way.
One thing I kind of always wondered, is I've commonly had the 'headcanon' that in zombie games, some process of decomposition/fungification (in Last of Us' case) would make much of the body more weak. But at least in traditional decomposition, there's no way that really happens with _bone_ right? Unless it's a very, very long time? Mushrooms maybe, the fungus ending up spreading _through_ the bone and compromising the structure checks out with my surface-level knowledge of stuff.
@@EliFarb the clicker has a thick fungus head to keep him save. Look i don’t know if it’s the lore in tlou but in many cases zombies get weaker bones, peal of skin and are more like dead weight than strong.
@@EliFarb dude things need to fit in the gameplay as well, of course clickers are gonna be tougher than normal enemies. It‘s like how kratos is strong enough to kill titans but he doesn’t just fly through the game.
@@g57d yeah of course, it's a game they have to keep some things unrealistic to keep it fun. I'm just saying it would make more sense for a clicker's head to be easily destroyed with one bullet rather then a couple because it's almost entirely fungus
The curve blade is called a Karambit. It originated from Indonesia and it is originally made from sharpened buffalo bone. It is not made for slicing but for stabbing the neck.
You know what? This is more of a lesson in school rather than a reaction and I love that stuff it teaches you not only how to defend yourself, but what could be severe and what could not!
In regards to punching someone in the mouth my father actually indirectly died because he did this. He was a police officer trying to get a drunk repeat offender in the car and punched him in the mouth to get him in the car which worked although he cut his hand on the guys teeth causing it to get infected which likely would have resulted in it needing to be amputated worst case had he not died in a car accident due to medicine for his said injury making him fall asleep occasionally on his way to an appointment for the hand. So yeah definitely don't punch someone in the mouth it could very well be the death of you.
and with the neck snapping thing, you can easily tear tendons and ligaments in someone's neck if you jerk it with about 20 to 30 Gs, or more, of force. Which is doable if you're strong, or using tools or points of leverage. You can also break the vertebrae and even damage the spinal cord if enough force is exerted.
Karambit is known as among one of 'Silat' deadly weapon and people still using it on street fight till this day. You barely can see that small curve blade hiding between their hand, until it was too late though. Those curve blade originally was design as a weapon meant for woman to protect themself just in case if something bad happen to them certainly.
They aint lying about the front and back of the head being way tougher then the sides. Ive smacked my forhead and back of my head numerous times on shelves or desks while working... but one day a door auto closer hinge came undone by freak accident and swung down catching me clean in the temple. That shit sat me down like a ton of bricks ive never had my bell rung so hard in my life. It took several minutes before the cobwebs were fully cleared away.
9:42, you're very correct about that. I lost track of how many times when I was deployed that we got a call to the TOC (Tactical Operations Center) from the Iraqi Police Station that a local national was WIA ( Wounded in Action) and that they suffered a gunshot wound to the head. And most of the time it was a 9mm pistol that was used.
6:50 I'd imagine you get so many blunt force assault cases coming in over bladed assaults because people think "oh if I hit them with something blunt they wont die so its less severe", though, obviously, a hammer to the head can be just as deadly as a knife
Something that I actually want to mention is that it technically is possible to die from getting punched straight in the face. Right above our nose is a pressure point that, if it gets triggered, will cause someone’s brain to go unconscious. If that pressure point receives too much pressure all at once it’ll actually cause the entire brain(or at least most of the brain) to pretty much “shut down” temporarily. This can be lethal due to the fact that since the brain is shut down it’s not sending any kind signals to the major parts of the body during this time such as the lungs, heart, etc. This isn’t always the case though since the process is temporary, but since there’s no exact amount of time that this will go on for you would pretty much be in fate’s hands at that point.
My mans describing the slicing of legs really made me uneasy. I’ve had too many leg injuries in my life and I’m very protective of them, even hearing about leg damage makes me wanna fetal up and disappear
I would like to point out that if you see someone getting struck in the back of the neck with a gun in a video game, it’s likely they were actually struck more towards the middle of the shoulder blades, as it’s likely to be mocapped to some capacity, and they’re trying to avoid injuring the actor. Afterwards they edit it to make it look more like they hit upwards, but the neck is about as high as they can go without it looking janky. A proper execution of that technique is slamming someone in the back of the head with the butt of a gun, as that should at the very least disorient whoever you just struck, and more often than not should induce temporary unconsciousness via blunt force trauma.
There was a suspect in a strange murder case, wasn't responding to questions, seemed uncooperative and wasn't giving consistent information. He kept complaining about his head hurting: turned out he got shot in the face, twice, at near-contact range. Then the police realized that he was a victim not the perpetrator, and they got him some help...
One of the reasons they cut behind the thigh, if they cut deep enough, they wouldn't be able to use that leg that well at all so you don't give them the chance to get away easily. They do the same thing in martial arts where they will punch really hard right there. As for the scenes from the last of us and head stomping, to be fair, those are decaying bodies and who knows for how long. It would be easier to do I'd assume compared to a completely healthy person, idk if it would still be like in the game but a decaying body is easier to fall apart I'm thinking.
The last time those two got together, I saw a comment and loved the idea, didn't see it here so one more time: ER doctor and Martial Artist, see need those two together
10:00 "give a phone call there are people to help".............. help shooting you? or save them shooting themselves? or schooling them to shoot themselves?
I've actually gotten stabbed on the neck, doesn't really hurt that much but damn on the moment of penetration of the knife does it feels hot like burning on that area
Being a kick boxer iv never done a straight jab to the teeth thats cuts waiting to happen do a elbow or a knee not a fist teeth shots are not common for fights
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Loved reacting to these games with Cameron! Thanks again for having me back, Gamology.
Loved seeing your face again
Can you & several weapon masters & martial artists react to all the different For Honor executions? Please that'll be so cool.
"Find the hole and plug it... if it's bleeding!"
Oof, good thing you made that precision, that could get awkward! 😅
Loved seeing your reactions and hearing your thoughts on these games.
The infected (zombies) in The Last of Us games have fungus growing in their brains which eventually starts to grow out of their heads & spread across the entire body making them either more easy or harder to kill depending on the mutation of the infected host. The 2nd stage (runners) & 3rd stage (stalkers) have heads that are softer & are easy to break, whereas the 4th stage (clickers), 4.5 stage (shamblers) & 5th stage (bloaters) have heads & bodies that are far more harder to break, especially with your bare hands, so a firearm or a high calibre is advisable
"Find the hole and plug it... if it's bleeding!" Good thing he specified cause my mind went right in the gutter! 🤣
🤣😂 I went a little extra in the thought process
The creepy ones never read past the first part.
🥲
Ah yes, as the wise scholar Kentucky Ballistics once said "Just stick a thumb in it"
@@cb41503 That was my second thought! Third one was Steve Irwin's South Park parody!🤣
In The Last of Us, infected heads explode when Joel bashes them because the mutation makes their skulls much weaker. That's why infected skulls explode and human skulls don't.
I think that should only apply to clickers and stalkers though. Those are the only infected that have been infected long enough that the growth has completely covered their heads. Runners have the same insides as a normal person. And I think not being able to squish people's heads might have been a censorship issues
It’s cool when games consider small details like that
I just made this comment, whoops. Four days late!
With the right tool any head will explode.
@@EliFarb I know this is 2 months but it actually shouldn't explode at all since the clickers and stalkers are supposed to have that as armor.
Cameron: "People *ARE* animals."
Damn straight we are!
Jordan: "I get people all the time that come to the ER where they've been shot like 8 times and they're still okay, 'relatively alright.'"
Yep, a caliber and a human's body works in so many unusual ways.
You need guts for everything
It’s fascinating!
I've heard of people getting shot in the head and living for 10-20 years later, but you can sneeze one, not know you have an aneurysm and just pop.
@@Gamology Weirdly by the numbers, .25ACP is the deadliest handgun caliber. Apparently it goes all sorts of places when it hits bone.
@@shinodamasaru7945 Takes a lot of guts, you could say...
“Don’t hit them in the mouth aim around the eye soft bones there”
*me furiously writing notes*
Other good areas to hit include trachea, liver(just below right-side of ribcage), solar plexis, diaphragm and the inside thigh
Cameron is probably my favorite cross-expert co-host (not to imply the other experts aren’t stellar, either). He always asks great questions and has really good chemistry with whoever he’s paired with.
perfect duo, one of them is saving lifes, the other one is taking lifes
He’s sometimes taking bad lives to save good lives
Dummy
@@haehum smartass
One supplies the other with jobs. Unless they’re too good. Then he supplies morgues
Think of the money they could make together
8:53 "Tell me more about dog bites" Thank you for asking for me
To break the average human neck it requires twice the force as the average weight of the human (approximately) so if its like a fit 400 pound powerlifter he may have the potential to break the neck of someone a quarter his size. Even then just casually flicking the neck to the left or right wont do the job.
It depends on the angle, leverage and if the muscles are actively resisting. If someone is already KO, it will definitely be easier, but still not easy...
Yes, and I think most games show the coming up from behind as choking the person out rather than breaking their neck. It would be much easier to kill someone via strangulation than neck breaking.
@@MisterNi but it is not as satisfying as those crunchy sounds.
@@bladerj Buy a bag of Doritos and enjoy instead? lol
Peanut
This duo brings out the best combined info
My favourite is Cameron and Israel
"You can't glorify CQC" Literally every Martial Arts movie ever: "Hold my beer..."
ER Doctor reacts to Yakuza 6
Or yakuza 0, Kiwami
Or sleeping dogs
YES! that game has the most gruesome heat actions, so it's a great choice.
@@edi9892
Yes!
Environment kills would good to see how a doctor would react.
A hyena's bite is so much more forceful than a dog's. They're what we call "bone-crushers." They eat the hooves, bones, and even the horns of carrion. If a hyena bites you, flesh is coming off and bones are shattering. A dog can break bones too, but the difference in power and size is huge.
the "all the fancy moves are cool but at the end of the day use what makes sence, use a bullet" was commercial style 😂
I've heard from various martial arts instructors that there aren't winners in CQC fights, especially ones with knives. There are survivors, but you've both lost if you've needed to get to that point
I’ve always heard the saying “the loser dies on the ground and the winner dies in the hospital” when it comes to a knife fight
It's true (coming from a Kali practitioner) , training just increases our chances of survival.
Doctor ER is like teaching us the right way to injure someone effectively. LOL! Great video! Love the duo!
"Talon knife" it's a karambit, as far as I can tell, and that's actually for your index finger not your thumb, since you're generally supposed to hold it reverse grip with the blade. Someone who's good with a karambit is utterly terrifying in CQC
Just a point to note: in TLOU I and II, it's only the infected that get their heads smushed in from melee attacks like that. The normal humans still have "max integrity" in regards to their bone strength. Little attention to detail that ND put into the games.
Nothing is more satisfying than killing you enemy up close and personal.
Sicko
But yes, I agree
Especially a hacker
I see someone who was never in any real fight 🤣
Can we get like a mix of The Doc, Martial Artists, & Sword Masters react & recreate the For Honor Executions?
You could literally just do one faction at a time. I know some of it's hella unrealistic but be cool either way.
“You can’t glorify CQC”
*DOOM Slayer would like to know your location*
I like how in COD BOCW and MW, Armor on your skins does not help at all it is just there to make you look cool.
I WANNA see a reaction ft. Everyone together, it be soo cool to hear them all share stores and random facts together. Genuine good time. SET IT UP
As always good to see one who makes holes and one who closes holes for their job together.
I love all of yall's videos, you always choose the best combos for the personalities of your reactors
Would LOVE if ER Doctor can react to takedowns and and healing animations in Farcry 6!
"Talon blade" is a karambit
One thing I kind of always wondered, is I've commonly had the 'headcanon' that in zombie games, some process of decomposition/fungification (in Last of Us' case) would make much of the body more weak. But at least in traditional decomposition, there's no way that really happens with _bone_ right? Unless it's a very, very long time?
Mushrooms maybe, the fungus ending up spreading _through_ the bone and compromising the structure checks out with my surface-level knowledge of stuff.
Jo doc, that wasn‘t a human scull, i believe that the body gets weaker when infected.
What about when a clicker can get hit in the face with a rifle bullet and still be alive
@@EliFarb the clicker has a thick fungus head to keep him save. Look i don’t know if it’s the lore in tlou but in many cases zombies get weaker bones, peal of skin and are more like dead weight than strong.
@@g57d I don't know for sure, but I think a layer of aged mushrooms would be weaker then a human skull
@@EliFarb dude things need to fit in the gameplay as well, of course clickers are gonna be tougher than normal enemies. It‘s like how kratos is strong enough to kill titans but he doesn’t just fly through the game.
@@g57d yeah of course, it's a game they have to keep some things unrealistic to keep it fun. I'm just saying it would make more sense for a clicker's head to be easily destroyed with one bullet rather then a couple because it's almost entirely fungus
The curve blade is called a Karambit. It originated from Indonesia and it is originally made from sharpened buffalo bone. It is not made for slicing but for stabbing the neck.
These guys straight up teaching us how to properly deliver hurt... i'm all for it...
To Cameron; that Talon or Hawksbill bladed knife with the finger ring is called a Karambit for future reference. Solid video gents!
Its called a KARAMBIT.
it started as a farming tool adapted into a martial weapon. It was prodominately used by silat warriors.
6:30 I love how a dude got impaled through the sternum by a pickaxe and the medical professional's only response is "ouch".
You know what? This is more of a lesson in school rather than a reaction and I love that stuff it teaches you not only how to defend yourself, but what could be severe and what could not!
In regards to punching someone in the mouth my father actually indirectly died because he did this. He was a police officer trying to get a drunk repeat offender in the car and punched him in the mouth to get him in the car which worked although he cut his hand on the guys teeth causing it to get infected which likely would have resulted in it needing to be amputated worst case had he not died in a car accident due to medicine for his said injury making him fall asleep occasionally on his way to an appointment for the hand.
So yeah definitely don't punch someone in the mouth it could very well be the death of you.
Can't believe you're talking about CQC without showing the MGS series CQC
and with the neck snapping thing, you can easily tear tendons and ligaments in someone's neck if you jerk it with about 20 to 30 Gs, or more, of force. Which is doable if you're strong, or using tools or points of leverage. You can also break the vertebrae and even damage the spinal cord if enough force is exerted.
So basically what Cameron is saying at 5:18 is that the AK is better than the M4 😉
Karambit is known as among one of 'Silat' deadly weapon and people still using it on street fight till this day. You barely can see that small curve blade hiding between their hand, until it was too late though. Those curve blade originally was design as a weapon meant for woman to protect themself just in case if something bad happen to them certainly.
The talon blade, In Indonesia, we call it Karambit. And you can see fight scene with Karambit in The Raid 2 movie
They aint lying about the front and back of the head being way tougher then the sides. Ive smacked my forhead and back of my head numerous times on shelves or desks while working... but one day a door auto closer hinge came undone by freak accident and swung down catching me clean in the temple. That shit sat me down like a ton of bricks ive never had my bell rung so hard in my life. It took several minutes before the cobwebs were fully cleared away.
Honestly I'd love to see the ER Doctor react to the Halo 5 Assassinations
9:42, you're very correct about that. I lost track of how many times when I was deployed that we got a call to the TOC (Tactical Operations Center) from the Iraqi Police Station that a local national was WIA ( Wounded in Action) and that they suffered a gunshot wound to the head. And most of the time it was a 9mm pistol that was used.
Cameron: People are animals
Jordan: Ye :)
I wonder what they would think of assassinations from halo? Halo 5 has more bone breaking ones, but reach has a bit more knife work
6:50 I'd imagine you get so many blunt force assault cases coming in over bladed assaults because people think "oh if I hit them with something blunt they wont die so its less severe", though, obviously, a hammer to the head can be just as deadly as a knife
Something that I actually want to mention is that it technically is possible to die from getting punched straight in the face. Right above our nose is a pressure point that, if it gets triggered, will cause someone’s brain to go unconscious. If that pressure point receives too much pressure all at once it’ll actually cause the entire brain(or at least most of the brain) to pretty much “shut down” temporarily. This can be lethal due to the fact that since the brain is shut down it’s not sending any kind signals to the major parts of the body during this time such as the lungs, heart, etc. This isn’t always the case though since the process is temporary, but since there’s no exact amount of time that this will go on for you would pretty much be in fate’s hands at that point.
The curved knife they were talking about is the Karambit.
Please let martial artists react judgment moves
My mans describing the slicing of legs really made me uneasy. I’ve had too many leg injuries in my life and I’m very protective of them, even hearing about leg damage makes me wanna fetal up and disappear
The curved knife is called a karambit.
I would like to point out that if you see someone getting struck in the back of the neck with a gun in a video game, it’s likely they were actually struck more towards the middle of the shoulder blades, as it’s likely to be mocapped to some capacity, and they’re trying to avoid injuring the actor. Afterwards they edit it to make it look more like they hit upwards, but the neck is about as high as they can go without it looking janky. A proper execution of that technique is slamming someone in the back of the head with the butt of a gun, as that should at the very least disorient whoever you just struck, and more often than not should induce temporary unconsciousness via blunt force trauma.
"Don't break your butt on someone's face."
and so, millions of dominating women's lives were saved (and probably a few men as well).
Ew tf xD
Put Chris the Cop and one of those martial arts geeks together for a look at Judgement!
the first clip with the hammer is literally taken from 'For Honor's Jormungandr execution
We need more of these two asap
I love how Dr. Wagner is teaching Cameron how to take out people. I like this duo a lot. Israel still cool😎
What!? No Metal Gear CQC footage!?!?!
0:54 'Attention to detail'- As the guy phases through a fucking wall to get to someone
There was a suspect in a strange murder case, wasn't responding to questions, seemed uncooperative and wasn't giving consistent information. He kept complaining about his head hurting: turned out he got shot in the face, twice, at near-contact range. Then the police realized that he was a victim not the perpetrator, and they got him some help...
Welcome back to another episode of Dr veteran.
1:43 make sure to use dorsal side of you hand!
Cameron: Use what makes sense, use a bullet
Me: How about buckshot? or slugs if you have the slightest doubt that buck won't cut it
One of the reasons they cut behind the thigh, if they cut deep enough, they wouldn't be able to use that leg that well at all so you don't give them the chance to get away easily. They do the same thing in martial arts where they will punch really hard right there. As for the scenes from the last of us and head stomping, to be fair, those are decaying bodies and who knows for how long. It would be easier to do I'd assume compared to a completely healthy person, idk if it would still be like in the game but a decaying body is easier to fall apart I'm thinking.
bones dont decay
The last time those two got together, I saw a comment and loved the idea, didn't see it here so one more time:
ER doctor and Martial Artist, see need those two together
I'm about to make a rant on not knowing what a Karambit is but I also remember that military doesn't have fancy knives
We need a whole episode based on some of the insane executions in cold war
Wonder what they would think of the Helicopter Decapitation...
4:38 fun fact: more people die of fists and feet fights than they do rifles.
“O-or just move them out of the way” “that to”
Kinda wish that Splinter Cell: Conviction was in this vid. I pulled a few really cool move that I had not expected.
Cameron: Don't be afraid to juggle your buddy's balls.
Dr. Jordan: Or move them...
Hit the nose. Always hit the nose. This is wildly painful for the target and avoids fight bite.
This collaboration is awesome! :D
I'm sensing a bromance forming between Jordan and Cameron.
Give a phone call. Somebody will help you.
Love that
"Use what makes sense... use a bullet." Yup, Ranger confirmed.
I fucking love Gamology and every reactor :')
Great Video! *This is extremely interesting and awesome*
Aw man, that went by way too fast 🙁 lol
10:00 "give a phone call there are people to help".............. help shooting you? or save them shooting themselves? or schooling them to shoot themselves?
While others are busy taking lives(Cameron) I'll be busy saving them(Jordan)
So one guy makes the holes and the other plugs em? Wow, what a pair.
my neck and head feel pain from just watching this
of course the soldier juggles while the doctor move them out the way.
None of those people are going to have to worry about how dirty a dog is...
Welcome to Gamology, where specialists tells you how to beat people up without hurting yourself.
Great information from the Doctor, knew all of the veins and arteries, but very accurate. No wonder why he's a doctor and I'm not.
Love to see the doc look at the trauma from For Honor
Gameology should have Dr. Wagner react to the Manhunt games.
This series is pretty cool. I'm learning how I can or cannot kill someone by experts
I've actually gotten stabbed on the neck, doesn't really hurt that much but damn on the moment of penetration of the knife does it feels hot like burning on that area
"Don't break your butt on someone's face."
~Science👍
"People are animal" love this phrase
Are you 12 or something.... 😐
Bc it's the most generic phrase
I'm curious as to what you guys would think of the Splinter Cell: Blacklist takedowns. Curious to see how viable those moves are.
I always wanted to know Jordan's thoughts on the Oberyn Martell VS Gregor Clegane fight in Game of Thrones
ER doctor and FBI agent reacts to Taken
Space CQC but using crowbar and grenades
0:52 ghost recons cool cuz of its realism... proceeds to glitch thru a wall to get the kill
Being a kick boxer iv never done a straight jab to the teeth thats cuts waiting to happen do a elbow or a knee not a fist teeth shots are not common for fights