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HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU ARE SAVED? WHAT DOES BELIEVE ON MEAN IN ACTS FOR ETERNAL SALVATION

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  • @justinalejandro3126
    @justinalejandro3126 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Amen and for whoever thinks they need a church or a pastor to be saved, i was saved in my living room i was just broken from sin and my past and i went on my knees and told the Lord i give my life because i dont want it, i wont ever go back Jesus is My everything.

    • @BentIronBins
      @BentIronBins 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Nope you don’t but it’s good to converse with other like minded believers. Jesus said when 2 or more gather in my name ill be there 🙏

    • @justinalejandro3126
      @justinalejandro3126 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@BentIronBins true i do wish there was a good church i could attend tho, but here in NJ i see most with a pride flag outside or mostly catholic is pretty sad God bless you brother

    • @BentIronBins
      @BentIronBins 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@justinalejandro3126 yes churches are being corrupted which is very sad 😔

    • @JoniSacroug
      @JoniSacroug 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      A beautiful testimony. Thank you for sharing 🙏🏼

    • @terrychavez700
      @terrychavez700 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@justinalejandro3126 Hey my Brother in Jesus Christ, check out Community Bible Church ⛪️ broadcast live every Shabbat Saturday @5pm and 4 sermons on Sunday, 8a 10a 12p and 2p… Pastor Ed Newton starts in the bible stays in the bible and ends in the bible… It’s my nondenominational Bible based led church ⛪️ home and ALL ARE WELCOMED, and taught whats Gods word says nothing more, nothing less. I HOPE THIS HELPS YOU… much love bro and Maranatha King 👑 Jesus!

  • @ronaldsimmons9517
    @ronaldsimmons9517 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Great sermon. Our time of salvation is when we are justified. It's immediate. We then move towards sanctification. We are molded into the image of Christ.
    A true victory! God is so good!

  • @swordtraining
    @swordtraining 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    It's always a pleasure to hear your teaching. Praise God for you friend!

    • @Mike-cu1tr
      @Mike-cu1tr 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I feel the same way for sure. If only there were more like Dr. John and his lovely wife Bonnie

  • @davidgraham2673
    @davidgraham2673 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What a powerful sermon.
    It was exactly what my hard heart needed to hear.
    Bitterness can creep in over time, when we place our eyes on ourselves rather than soley on Jesus.
    Sometimes God will use extreme pain to bring us to Him, and to sharpen our focus so that it is on God alone.
    "For it is hard to kick against the pricks" Acts 5:9, Acts 26:14
    When you ask God to search your heart, or to give you a new one; He will absolutely do this, even if it means we must suffer to accomplish this.
    I praise God for answering my prayers, and I thank Him for sharpening my focus through the pain.
    I also praise the Lord for the insight I needed, that His faithful servant John Barnett provided through this sermon, as directed by the Holy Spirit.

  • @lenagunnarsson3270
    @lenagunnarsson3270 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ❤❤❤ I am born again since 30 years ago and I am so thankful for this. I love God Father, Jesus Christ and The Holy Spirit with all my heart. They is helping me in my life. Amen.

    • @Bob.55
      @Bob.55 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Salvation is purely psychological. There is no such thing as saved and unsaved, unless you really want to believe that an Almighty being capable of creating a Universe is no more intelligent than a BCE camel rider.

  • @cwilson0713
    @cwilson0713 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ❤❤❤thank you pastor!!!

  • @DW-yl9ww
    @DW-yl9ww 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    IF YOU BELIEVE IT THAN YOU LIVE IT ... OTHERWISE YOU HAVE WHAT JAMES CALLS A DEAD FAITH THAT DOES NOT SAVE ... THAT IS WHY PAUL SAYS TO TEST YOURSELVES TO SEE IF YOU ARE IN THE FAITH ... COLLOSIANS 1 23 SAYS THAT YOU MUST CONTINUE IN THE FAITH ...

  • @Brianwitness-vj8fq
    @Brianwitness-vj8fq 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I appreciate your help and guidance thank you and God bless brother

  • @Greenscreenproking
    @Greenscreenproking 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    God thank you for showing me the truth I need to know.

    • @Bob.55
      @Bob.55 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's not the truth sir or mam.....It's ancient mans religion.

  • @kennethaldrich2854
    @kennethaldrich2854 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    What a wonderful piece. Love you, brother. Listening on low as a pass to sleep. My frequent routine. Best, Jesus.

  • @davidcobb8875
    @davidcobb8875 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What can I do for Jesus
    He has done everything for me

  • @wbaukema
    @wbaukema 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Jesus words: 'But many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first'... Matth.19:30

    • @Bob.55
      @Bob.55 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nope. It's all hogwash bud. I appreciate Jesus and some of his teachings but he was quite insane.

  • @trevorbates9017
    @trevorbates9017 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If we are not very careful we read about Jesus as if it is beautiful poetry...but no more...but here is how it should be read...regardless of any other teacher. He told us as much when he returned to speak to the seven churches in Asia. Return to his original teaching. Not Constantines, not Paul's, but to Jesus Christ's. There is special reason for this, which we will discover if we try it.

  • @tumbleweed1787
    @tumbleweed1787 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Him alone.

  • @Mike-cu1tr
    @Mike-cu1tr 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I could listen to your teachings for hour's.

  • @michaelhilton3481
    @michaelhilton3481 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    He still gets emotional talking about the power walker.

  • @stelthtrekker9445
    @stelthtrekker9445 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I know that I'm doing works that make me saved, otherwise, I wouldn't be doing works.

    • @Just1Bum
      @Just1Bum 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Your works are a sign that you are saved. They are evidence that you are saved. But, they do not save you. Christ, alone, saves you.

    • @MalakhiCrum
      @MalakhiCrum หลายเดือนก่อน

      Works are like fruit. As you remain in Jesus and he in you, you will bear much fruit. You remain in his love by keeping his command, and his command is this: “love one another as I have loved you.”
      From your connection to him, the vine, you will bear much fruit. Your love will express itself in action and truth, if it is genuine. People will see your good works and glorify your father in heaven. You are not the vine, which produces the fruit in you. You are the branch, which fruit comes out of. Remain in his love and you will bear fruit. Your works do not save you. But if you have been saved, fruit will follow. If it does not, you need to evaluate yourself. Are you giving God everything? Are you holding back at all? Not all fruit is good, a bad tree produces bad fruit. Any fruit produced by your own effort to be a “ good person” is bad fruit. It is self seeking.
      Fruit produced by love is good fruit, because God does not judge the way that men judge, by outward appearance. But rather, God judges the heart. If you want to be saved, believe in Jesus and obtain and obey his commands. If you do this, you love him. If you love him, the Father will love you and Jesus will love you and will show himself to you. He loves you and will not turn you away.

  • @tysonboy1980
    @tysonboy1980 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks!

  • @Imnotyourdoormat
    @Imnotyourdoormat 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    *Computer Problems? Back in the day at the exact nano micro millisecond we would begin our Bible Study our house telephone would ring. And it would always be 1 of my Dad's old ARMY buddies he hadn't heard from in 40 years. Or a wrong number. If that didn't happen the power would go out. Or a Fire Truck would go screaming by. Or a bird would suddenly out of nowhere crash into our window. In the new **_"Nefarious"_** Movie Nefariomous said, "Probably Just A Coincidence" after the overhead light in the interrogation cell blew.*

  • @user-jt3ex9pl8s
    @user-jt3ex9pl8s 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    🐾🐕‍🦺🐾🐕‍🦺🐾🐕‍🦺🐾🐕‍🦺🐾🐕‍🦺🐾🐕‍🦺🐾🐕‍🦺🐾🐕‍🦺🐾🐕‍🦺🐾🐕‍🦺🐾🐕‍🦺🐾🐕‍🦺🐾🐕‍🦺🐾Please 🙏🏻pray for salvation for Chris, Pete and Nick.

    • @maryanncamato3d667
      @maryanncamato3d667 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Are they your Family?

    • @user-jt3ex9pl8s
      @user-jt3ex9pl8s 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@maryanncamato3d667 Yes, my two sons and my husband ❤️

    • @maryanncamato3d667
      @maryanncamato3d667 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      from what country are you my bro/sister in Christ?

  • @kennethaldrich2854
    @kennethaldrich2854 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A+Team. Vr, Jesus Christ

  • @trevorbates9017
    @trevorbates9017 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The overwhelming message gleaned from the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ is that we too are pinned to our torture stake, not by nails, but by flesh, blood, muscles and sinew. Our spine, if not cared for righteously, will lose all its nervous strength and crown us with a crown of thorns. We need to get wise because the imminent arrival of Wormwood will finish the job we have started.

    • @Bob.55
      @Bob.55 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You are torturing yourself with your silly beliefs. Wise up.

    • @trevorbates9017
      @trevorbates9017 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Bob.55 We are all torturing ourselves with our silly beliefs unless our belief is the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ. Then, with a wonderful soothing balm, our aching bones, our sinew, our muscle strength is slowly raised from off our torture stake...our spine...and our crown of thorns dissolves into nothing, and our only task is to warn others.

    • @Bob.55
      @Bob.55 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@trevorbates9017 Paul was a self appointed apostle/God almighty expert who wrote letters. The Roman Catholic church proclaimed his letters "The Word of God" more than 200 years after the man died. I'm sure Paul would be flattered. Lol

    • @trevorbates9017
      @trevorbates9017 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Bob.55Paul believed implicitly in Jesus Christ and his salvation message...and taught it, to the best of his ability, in the face of all those who crucified Jesus.

    • @Bob.55
      @Bob.55 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@trevorbates9017 Yes I know what Paul believed and the Roman Catholic church deemed his writings....."The Word from Almighty God himself"
      Too funny.

  • @3BadBostons
    @3BadBostons 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Truly born again?
    Seed on rocky soil=born &choked
    Seed among thorns = born & choked
    Seed on goog ground= born and truly saved( as you say)
    How many years is this guy been teaching?
    The Bible says believe and you will be saved and it means believe

    • @davidgraham2673
      @davidgraham2673 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I have been of the same opinion as yourself.
      I've come to believe that believing (true believing) must bring about a change in our heart, else the death of Jesus is diminished.
      I had believed myself saved, and that the sins I still committed were "stronghold" sins, and I used that as an excuse to commit those sins.
      When I realized ny heart was extremely hard, I began to pray for a new heart. I asked God to search my heart.
      God certainly answered my prayers.
      When I watched this sermon last night, I wasn't but a few minutes in when the Lord convicted me through His Holy Spirit.
      There was no doubt that Pastor John had spoken the words that God wanted me to hear.
      Acts 5:9 kept coming to mind:
      "For it is difficult to kick against the pricks", as Jesus said to Paul. I too was very stubborn.
      Sometimes God must use pain to sharpen our focus and put it where it belongs: on Jesus.
      I pray that my severe pain would be healed as soon as possible, but God's will be done, and I praise God for answering my prayers.
      I pray that God would bless you richly in all knowledge and understanding.

    • @davidgraham2673
      @davidgraham2673 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      PS, I wasn't saying that I wasn't saved, but that I was one of those with a flat tire in the ditch, as Pastor John said.
      However, I also know that there are some who claim to be Christian, and never show any signs of having known Jesus.
      They claim to believe, but a simple profession of faith without a change would make a mockery of the crucifixion, and God's Holiness, Majesty, and Mercy.
      Best wishes.
      God Bless you.

    • @3BadBostons
      @3BadBostons 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@davidgraham2673 God's Word is clear throughout that all His children do not behave the same. A mockery would be trying to earn our own righteousness, or maybe judging our weaker brothers.

    • @davidgraham2673
      @davidgraham2673 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@3BadBostons , None of us are worthy or capable of judging another person's state of salvation.
      We are however called to maintain the Church body.
      If a "believer" is engaged in a sinful lifestyle, that "believer" is to be counciled first by the Pastor, then by a group of Elders.
      If repentance is refused, this person is to be denied access to the Church until such time as repentance occurs.
      This is Biblical, and is God's Word, not mine.
      If it is the case, that Church leaders are responsible for doing this, then certainly a change of heart must be accounted for as a result of salvation, else why excommunicate them?
      If you still disagree, that's your decision.
      I will pray for you, nonetheless.
      Have a blessed day.

    • @3BadBostons
      @3BadBostons 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@davidgraham2673 well, what is a sinful lifestyle? From what I read it is sexual immorality and/or idolatry, and beyond that, after Paul had instructed the Corinthians to put away "that man", he later (as he matured) instructed the church to restore him. I don't understand what you mean about maintaining the body, I believe that is the work of the Holy Spirit. Also, what church or church leaders? Do you see true prophets(not future seeing weird prophets, just proclaimers of His Word) leading churches today?
      My point is(about free Grace) is that that is what the scriptures teach. They also teach to abide in Christ and that we are at liberty to make choices, just not to choose or not choose to believe. God has laid on my heart the brethren who know Christ yet do not abide in Him and haven't for maybe years, given over to sin, just like the Bible says can happen. They don't need someone telling them that they weren't really saved or that they have to do something to gain eternal life. God has put ony heart that He want His children to repent and come back to Him, like the prodigal son, he was always his son, even in the pig slop. Jesus says that He will not lose one that the Father has given Him and all that the Father has given Him will come to Him.
      Do you believe that?
      Blessings on your journey brother and may His peace always be with you.

  • @joerod5621
    @joerod5621 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Every jukebox joint believes!
    But you’re right repent and be baptized INTO the name of Jesus!
    Acts2:38
    Count the people that were baptized into his name in the Bible!
    Jesus is the name of the father, son, & Holy Ghost! there is no other formula!
    This preacher won’t tell you who’s name he baptized the soldier into! What other name would you want invoke over you being baptized?
    He who believes & is baptized will be saved!
    Mark 16:16
    Where is god the son in the Bible?

  • @Bob.55
    @Bob.55 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I appreciate Jesus and some of his teachings but he was quite insane

  • @HoraktyHeru
    @HoraktyHeru 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The last 5 days for the arrival of the Archangel of Light appointed by God, and the end of the Church and Christianity.😮😳😲

    • @jeffc5474
      @jeffc5474 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      So in six days when you are proved false will you repent and turn to Christ? I doubt it. Your false statements will be held against you one day.

    • @wbaukema
      @wbaukema 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      As humanity we are all one...

    • @jeffc5474
      @jeffc5474 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@wbaukemaNo we are not all one. Either you are in the Body of Christ or you are not.

  • @user-uf3st6fc7g
    @user-uf3st6fc7g 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Who is the creator?
    Genesis 2:1-3 KJV
    Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. [2] And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. [3] And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
    When we accept Christ and are saved by His grace through faith. That faith in Christ also acknowledged Him who created the universe in 6 literal days and rested on the 7th Day Sabbath. Therefore following His example is not salvation by works! It is faith in Christ that He is the creator who rested on Sabbath and commission us to follow Him.
    Revelation 22:14 KJV
    Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    • @Bob.55
      @Bob.55 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I was a believer for well over 50 years and these days I simply call God ..... "The Spirit of Life" and I dropped all of the silly and immature doctrine of the bible.
      No Almighty is that stupid.

  • @TomTom-ku6qi
    @TomTom-ku6qi 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The alphabet letter, J. , was invented in 1524 CE. It is IMPOSSIBLE That Krssiah’s true name to be Jesus.
    YAHUSHA Ha Maschiach !

    • @JoniSacroug
      @JoniSacroug 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      🤔 that works too 😊

    • @soulosxpiotov7280
      @soulosxpiotov7280 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The Apostles called Him "Yisous", which is Greek and not Hebrew nor Aramaic. Do you believe the Apostles were wrong?

    • @Bob.55
      @Bob.55 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Who cares. Jesus was a man, not a God.

  • @tawhidiimam-8701
    @tawhidiimam-8701 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    God,s masenger status.
    All the prophetic the Divine time is over before five hundred years ago. Full lights moon one night Divine time running now by judgment of the God. Divine time accept judge didn't of God. So need Divine time judgment of the God of all the Humans.

  • @user-ge1qc7zr7j
    @user-ge1qc7zr7j 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Who cares. you know The creator is control.

    • @Bob.55
      @Bob.55 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hardly, he wound the universe up and he just let it fly and evolve. These days I call God "The Spirit of Life" and that is as much as I need to have peace within my soul.

  • @theanc316ientone
    @theanc316ientone 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do you even know Jesus? Do you? Does anyone now days even know the Lord? Anyone? Is anyone out there that truly knows the Lord?

    • @rK-em4yy
      @rK-em4yy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      We seek & grow in the knowledge of Him each day... He is a wonder and knowledge of Him is endless...He is love, He is life and life eternal...He is the absolute Truth,Absolute light that dispels all darkness.. An ever present helps&comforter, Our strength, refuge&fortress, Our saviour&redeemer..defender&protection, King and Lord, So true and faithful.. and so much more beyond what I could ever express❤

    • @theanc316ientone
      @theanc316ientone 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @rK-em4yy thats not what I asked. I said does anyone know Jesus?

    • @theanc316ientone
      @theanc316ientone 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      So He is a bunch of cliches?

    • @terrypaul7706
      @terrypaul7706 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@theanc316ientone😂 what Jesus is.. that is the question! It is the awareness of being.. I AM! That’s why in the story Jesus ( your awareness) asks Peter ( your hearing) who do you say I AM? Peter ( you) answer you ( your awareness) are the Christ!

    • @kablerain9130
      @kablerain9130 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Yeah, Jesus is in my KJV Bible. Grab a Bible and begin to know him.

  • @Dlee-eo5vv
    @Dlee-eo5vv 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It means, believe his Apostolic successors, his church and the sacraments.

    • @soulosxpiotov7280
      @soulosxpiotov7280 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You've put your dependence upon the church and sacraments for a right standing before God, for your justification?

    • @Dlee-eo5vv
      @Dlee-eo5vv 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @soulosxpiotov7280 yes most certainly.
      God made himself accessible to man by condescending as close as possible that we may now walk with and in God, ie. Taking on our own flesh/ humanity.
      The incarnation of our God continues through out time in that we now are his body, jn 17: 21.
      It's the sad existence of protestantism that keeps our Victorious God far away and invisible, awaiting a future return, with only a one sided prayer to associate with each other. The kingdom is now even in our hearts and ever progressing till he returns as he left, but how does he fulfill his promise never to leave us. In and by his Holy Spirit "only" in his body through repentance, Baptism, Eucharist, and fellow saints. This is and always was done from the Apostles to now.

    • @Bob.55
      @Bob.55 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Dlee-eo5vv No one knows what God is, I simply call it "The Spirit of Life: and leave it at that But we do know what it isn't. It isn't some BCE century desert God named Yahweh. Lol
      It's hard to believe that this is the 21st century.

    • @Dlee-eo5vv
      @Dlee-eo5vv หลายเดือนก่อน

      @Bob.55 if you mean the Holy Spirit. This is a he, and God not an it.

    • @Bob.55
      @Bob.55 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Dlee-eo5vv You are doing nothing but parroting ancient man’s religion. They didn’t know anything near what we now know about the universe.
      The Bible God is a creation of man’s mind just like all of the other gods throughout history.
      To a real Almighty, the Bible God would be a naughty, little, evil , child God.

  • @Bob.55
    @Bob.55 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Salvation is purely psychological. There is no such thing as saved and unsaved, unless you really want to believe that an Almighty being capable of creating a Universe is no more intelligent than a BCE camel rider.

  • @terrypaul7706
    @terrypaul7706 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ⁠😂 what Jesus is.. that is the question! It is the awareness of being.. I AM! That’s why in the story Jesus ( your awareness) asks Peter ( your hearing) who do you say I AM? Peter ( you) answer you ( your awareness) are the Christ!

    • @krissyyoung9264
      @krissyyoung9264 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      That’s a bunch of New Age, scripture perverting Gnostic garbage.
      Christ Jesus is the Savior of mankind, fully man and fully God, who walked the earth, died on the cross so that we might live, and rose again on the third day. His literal shed blood payed your sin debt, but you will perish unless you believe on Him.

    • @terrypaul7706
      @terrypaul7706 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@krissyyoung9264 😂 new age? What do you think the NEW testament means??? 😜 the old man and the new man in scripture?? What about be transformed by the reNEWING of your mind?? 🤪 behold the old has past away, all things are NEW Paul writes 💪🏻 why though?? Because the past is dead! That’s what forgiveness means! But it is your mind that is perverted.. sick! Jesus is not a person in history.. Jesus is your I AM.. your awareness of being!!! There’s no literal anything in scripture! That’s carnally minded.. that’s what carnal means.. physical! This book is spiritual! God is spirit! It’s Jesus Christ IN YOU you hope of glory.. blood don’t mean blood in an allegory! Men and women don’t mean that in an allegory! Because it’s wisdom! You insult Christ right now because you’re in the state of the pharassiee.. 👊🏻 your entire belief is false! Jesus walks the earth because you walk it.. the word I AM.. made flesh!

    • @soulosxpiotov7280
      @soulosxpiotov7280 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I AM is the Name of God in the Old Testament. So you believe Jesus is the God of the Old Testament?

    • @Bob.55
      @Bob.55 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@terrypaul7706 Kudos for you, you're a thinking man instead of a hateful bible thumping puppet. It's a rarity to find an enlightened soul who understands the bible.

    • @Bob.55
      @Bob.55 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@soulosxpiotov7280 What he understands is a deeper spiritual meaning of the words of Jesus. Jesus was an intelligent and enlightened individual, not a God.

  • @Rosiedelaroux
    @Rosiedelaroux 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Oh and the bloke doing the preaching needs a hair cut.

    • @soulosxpiotov7280
      @soulosxpiotov7280 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You mean by the standards of the book of Ezekiel? What standard is he violating?